Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - September 26, 2026


Hollywood hair stylist tells all !!

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Kjersti Flaa
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Johnny Depp Anne Hathaway Russell Crowe Anne Hathaways Emmanuel Miller Bill Murray Tom Hanks Melanie Jolie Charlie Wilson Blake Lively Jane Fonda Ron Howard Dwayne Johnson Manuel Miller Julia Roberts Sasha Quarles Kirsten Dunst Steve Carell Michael Mann Bryce Howard and 41 more
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00:00:00 From the moment I met Blake, it was like the little mini version of Anne Hathaway.
00:00:05 With Anne Hathaway, it felt calculated.
00:00:08 I'm going to talk about you behind your back, but not to your face.
00:00:12 From the very moment we met, she wanted me to know, I'm the star, you're the servant.
00:00:22 Hi and welcome to Blossom Talk.
00:00:24 I'm Sien-Stick Blanc, journalist, Hollywood truth teller, and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.
00:00:31 Okay, I have the best guest with me today.
00:00:34 Emmanuel Miller has worked in Hollywood for decades.
00:00:40 He's created the most iconic looks in movies, and at the same time worked so closely with some of the biggest movie stars in the world.
00:00:49 According to IMDb, he has 88 credits of movies he's worked on.
00:00:56 The celebrities include everyone from Johnny Depp, Angelina Jolie, Tom Hanks, Brad Pitt, Bill Murray, Blake Lively, Amber Heard, and Anne Hathaway.
00:01:09 Now he's spilling all the tea.
00:01:13 He's released two books from his experiences over four decades working in Hollywood.
00:01:22 And Emmanuel is one of the most honest people I think I've ever interviewed.
00:01:28 He's not afraid to share what people are really like when they don't think anyone's watching.
00:01:35 And I'm sure after you heard some of his stories that he's about to tell you here,
00:01:39 you are going to want to get your hands on those books.
00:01:42 And Manuel Miller, thank you so much for being here on Floss on Talk.
00:01:48 I have been really, really looking forward to this.
00:01:51 Well, I think I told you out of all the people on Instagram, I would want to be interviewed by you.
00:01:57 That's really nice.
00:01:58 Thank you.
00:01:59 So I saw you, I think it's about a year ago now.
00:02:03 I saw you, I think it was an article in the Daily Mail where you talked about being a hairdresser to a lot of celebrities.
00:02:10 And some of them were not so nice to you.
00:02:12 I remember, I feel like we have the exact same experience with the same people, more or less.
00:02:20 So, you said something that I found very interesting.
00:02:24 You said, according to the article, that Anne Hathaway was worse than Blake Lively.
00:02:34 Yes, I did. I did say that.
00:02:37 Well, I thought about this a lot when you and I spoke briefly about it.
00:02:41 And I think what the example that I can use, when you've worked with people like Cate Blanchett, Judi Dench, Tom Hanks, Johnny Depp, and people who are genuinely, seem genuinely invested in their career and their art and the passion for it, that it's not hard to notice when somebody seems like they're fake about it.
00:03:04 And that's what I felt from Anne Hathaway. I felt that she's very good. She's mastered the art of faking people into believing she's a good actress or she loves her career because it feels like it's all, to me, it felt like it was all about fame and not the job, the passion.
00:03:24 And I had the pleasure of working with Cate Blanchett on eight films, Angelina Jolie on five films.
00:03:29 And when you watch women like that work or actors like that work, they have a passion for it, a love. 0.81
00:03:34 It's for the art of it.
00:03:35 And I never felt that once from Anne Hathaway.
00:03:39 That's so interesting that you say that.
00:03:41 And you also talked about, you know, how she just like kind of ignored you that you were there.
00:03:45 And I think it was, was it five months you worked on a film with her?
00:03:50 Uh-huh, five months.
00:03:51 so within those five months you came and you spent every single day with her basically then
00:03:58 what movie was this for it was a movie called get smart and i was working prior to that i was
00:04:04 working with tom hanks directly and emily blunt happened to be in the film that i that with tom
00:04:11 hanks and when i got the phone call if i was available to work with ann i went to emily who
00:04:18 did Devil Wears Prada with her. And I said, what do you think of that? And Emily said,
00:04:24 oh, Annie will love you. Well, she must have said something to Anne about me. And he's worked with
00:04:28 Cate Blanchett and Angelina Jolie. And now he's working with Tom Hanks. Most actors do when I
00:04:34 work with them. They want to know who I've worked with, what projects I've done. Anne never once
00:04:39 asked me about that. Never once did she. I never once remember her saying, thank you. Good morning.
00:04:46 Hello. It seems like from the very moment we met, she wanted me to know I'm the star.
00:04:54 You're the servant. You're here to serve me. And don't think anything different.
00:04:59 And that's how it was for five months.
00:05:01 Oh, my God. How horrible. What was she like to the other people?
00:05:05 Like the makeup artist? Did you see her interactions with other people?
00:05:08 I think with her makeup artist, Nikki Liederman, who's just lovely.
00:05:12 and I got along with very well, worked with her on The Devil Wears Prada.
00:05:18 So she was familiar with her.
00:05:19 I think with Anne, she had been given this background with me.
00:05:24 It felt as if it was a personal thing.
00:05:28 It felt as if you, I'm going to be nice to everybody.
00:05:31 I saw her be nice to Steve Carell, who was the star of the film,
00:05:34 and Dwayne Johnson, and just so many lovely, the cast was lovely.
00:05:40 But to me, it's like she wanted me to know that you are here to do a job,
00:05:47 to do my hair and not only speak when you're spoken to.
00:05:52 Wow.
00:05:53 Was that like the first time you experienced something to that degree
00:05:57 of feeling like the stars treated you like basically the help?
00:06:03 Did that happen to you before that?
00:06:06 No, that actually had never happened.
00:06:08 And one of my first paid jobs was working with Tina Turner on her Love, What's Love Got to Do With It video.
00:06:15 And I remember thinking, she's the star of this.
00:06:18 And she was so lovely.
00:06:19 And it had continued that with things like Betty Buckley or, again, having worked with Cate Blanchett and Angelina Jolie.
00:06:28 But Anne, I never got that.
00:06:30 And I thought, what is this a personal thing?
00:06:32 Is it personal that I never said anything to her that I thought might have been rude?
00:06:38 I would say good morning to her.
00:06:41 It was just, I was married for 32 and a half years, and I'm very happily divorced now.
00:06:46 And it's that same kind of thing of, I just, I couldn't wait to get away from that situation.
00:06:52 When the movie was over, I was relieved.
00:06:57 And you told me that she actually sent you a gift when it was over?
00:07:00 we were the last filming we filmed in los angeles uh washington dc montreal and russia in moscow
00:07:09 and i i wanted this to be over as they were yelling that's a wrap on red square i was
00:07:15 walking away it felt like a movie scene as i was walking towards the the famous cathedral and i
00:07:20 could feel see the movie lights behind me that were on illuminating my shadow and i thought i've
00:07:26 got to go get my stuff out of the trailer and leave, go back to my hotel because I was flying
00:07:31 to LA the next day. And I was told by the makeup artist that she brought in a little gift and said,
00:07:38 he's gone. And she said, it was kind of sad, Emmanuel. She looked sad. Well, that gift was
00:07:44 delivered to my hotel room. There was a knock on the door and I looked in the bag and there were
00:07:49 three boxes and I couldn't bring myself to look what was inside the boxes. So I carried that bag
00:07:55 with me on the flight back to LA, put it by my desk and I composed a letter. It took me three
00:08:01 days. And I said, no, I've got to do this. And I said, thank you for the gift. That was thoughtful
00:08:06 of you. I wish I could say I enjoyed working with you, but I did not. So I'm returning the gifts.
00:08:13 And that's, it kind of went on from there, but I never heard back from her. She could have reached
00:08:19 out to me and said, what happened? Why do you feel that way? But no, I never heard back from her,
00:08:23 But I couldn't keep those. I've received so many incredible gifts from, again, Jane Fonda or Tom Hanks or the people I've worked with. I couldn't in good conscience keep whatever was in those three boxes and feel good about wearing it or owning it.
00:08:38 Wow, that is a very big statement from you to do something like that when you're in the middle of your career and you're actually telling someone like Anne Hathaway that you weren't nice and I'm signaling that to you. What prompted you to do that?
00:08:58 I have a sense of myself of who I am. Years ago, I was working with Bill Murray on the movie What
00:09:03 About Bob? And we found, at the time being married and having three small children,
00:09:09 I found a house in Atlanta and I moved out of LA. And Bill came up to me and he said,
00:09:14 I hear you're moving to Atlanta. And I said, yes. And he looked at me and he said,
00:09:18 what are you going to do for a living? And I thought, well, I'm doing your hair. So I thought,
00:09:23 I told him, I said, I guess I'll work at Walmart if I need to, Bill, but I just want to raise my
00:09:28 family outside of LA. And Bill, about a year and a half later, I got a phone call from Bill's people
00:09:36 asking if I was available to do Groundhog Day. And my point of this story is I've had so many
00:09:42 people that have confirmed to be true to myself, to stay true to myself, to move my family to
00:09:48 Atlanta, to raise my children, that when I was around somebody that it'd be like if I hired a
00:09:55 cleaning lady to come into my house, but never said good morning to her or hello or thank you 0.90
00:10:00 or how are you today or get to know her name. And that's what I felt like, actually. I felt
00:10:06 like somebody who thought, I've got to find a sense of myself after this movie. I know she's
00:10:12 Anne Hathaway and now she's supposedly a big star. But I think I would have lost myself had I not
00:10:19 said anything, had I not returned those gifts, had I kept them. I'm just not that person.
00:10:25 Very interesting. You also told me that you actually reached out to her. Was that after
00:10:32 she had apologized to me or did you reach out to her and say, hey, it's okay, you can apologize
00:10:39 to me? Did you do that closely after it happened or when did you do that? Did you do it several
00:10:43 times? A couple of times I've made comments on Instagram. And again, I've had people more
00:10:50 comments confirming that, yes, I always felt that way about her or I never really liked her. I never
00:10:56 got a good feeling. And every now and then there's a person that says, well, why should she talk to
00:11:00 you? And she shouldn't have to talk to you. And it sounds like you're a spoiled brat. And so I've
00:11:06 made comments. I've told people what it was like working with her. And the comment I made
00:11:11 afterwards was, Anne, if you would like to apologize, I'm ready to accept your apology
00:11:16 at any time if you want to meet or sit down and talk,
00:11:21 like a human being, like a person.
00:11:23 And I would like to know why she felt the need
00:11:27 for five months to treat me to be so dismissive.
00:11:31 That's the question I would like to ask her.
00:11:34 And she never reached out to you?
00:11:36 No, no, no, no.
00:11:39 I think what's surprising to me is
00:11:42 she has five movies, I think, coming out.
00:11:45 I don't get it. Again, I did the movie, I worked on the film Inglourious Bastards. I was a head
00:11:54 hairdresser. And when you work with someone like Christoph Waltz, after three days of filming,
00:11:58 I said to him, if you don't win the Academy Award for this performance or at least get nominated,
00:12:03 I will be shocked. And he looked at me almost dumbfounded. But I've said that to Angelina Jolie,
00:12:09 you are going to be a huge star. I never got that impression from Anne. That's why it's a little
00:12:13 shocking people still put her in movies do they not feel the insincerity i i don't i mean that's
00:12:21 that's how i feel i i think wow she keeps working she must have great a great team behind her but
00:12:26 i i just wonder when people are going to say get it it's interesting though because i mean she was
00:12:33 kind of canceled about 10 15 years ago when there was this whole like movement the hatha haters
00:12:40 online people were like hey we don't like Anne Hathaway anymore and I think that was about the
00:12:46 time where I did my interview where she was so dismissive of me and it's it's interesting because
00:12:52 when I published that interview uh of course and Anne Hathaway reached out to me and said she was
00:12:58 sorry which I believe was kind of like okay I saw what happened to Blake Lively in that interview
00:13:04 And the backlash from that
00:13:06 So I don't want to end up like her
00:13:08 So she reached out to me
00:13:09 Now I feel like that's why she did it
00:13:12 Because she did also say in that note
00:13:14 That she wanted me to come and interview her
00:13:18 For one of her movies this year
00:13:19 And she never reached out
00:13:21 But it's interesting when you say
00:13:23 That people were criticizing you
00:13:26 Saying why should she say hello to you
00:13:28 Same thing that people said to me 1.00
00:13:30 She doesn't have to be nice to you
00:13:33 you didn't ask the right questions, you know, blaming it on the other person. And I think that
00:13:39 is, I think that's pretty shocking. Did you experience a lot of that when, and in your book
00:13:45 as well, when you're talking about these experiences, have people like, you know,
00:13:49 criticized you for being honest about these things? I didn't have people criticize me. I mean,
00:13:53 I think people stayed away from me, even though I kept, by the grace of God, I kept getting work
00:13:57 and there were makeup and hair people that I'd worked with that probably didn't call me because
00:14:02 they didn't want me to stir up trouble. But again, I mean, I'm happily retired. I've written
00:14:10 a book. It took three years. I wrote a book because actors told me, you must have amazing
00:14:16 stories. You cannot work with the people that you've worked with and not have stories. So I
00:14:21 wrote my book, The Kindest Cut, Intuitive Life Lessons Learned by Hollywood Hairstyles. But
00:14:26 But as far as that goes, I think people were afraid.
00:14:32 A lot of people have told me, aren't you afraid you're never going to work again?
00:14:34 And I thought, I'm retired.
00:14:37 I don't care.
00:14:39 And I'm not afraid.
00:14:40 I mean, I've done some incredible films.
00:14:42 I'm so proud of the work that I've—that's what it is.
00:14:45 It's not the people I've worked with as much, even though it's been an amazing resume of people.
00:14:51 It's the work that I've put on film.
00:14:53 Quentin Tarantino once told me, he said, hey, I looked at your resume and he said, you really have created some iconic looks on film.
00:15:02 When people like Bill Murray tell you, I've never looked more handsome in a film like you made me look in Groundhog Day or people have commented on Angelina Jolie's Look in Girl Interrupted.
00:15:12 That's my work.
00:15:14 And I take pride in my work.
00:15:15 So, no, I wasn't afraid I wasn't going to work because I wasn't looking for fame to begin with.
00:15:22 Interesting.
00:15:22 I mean, like we talked about, too, all these iconic looks that you've created, that's kind of like your legacy is out there, no matter what these relationships with these actresses were like.
00:15:34 But yesterday when we spoke to this, this was the most shocking story that you told me, I think.
00:15:39 The one with Russell Crowe. Can you tell that story?
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00:17:30 Russell Crowe, he did the same thing.
00:17:32 He was actually one of the first males
00:17:34 who did the Anne Hathaway thing.
00:17:36 And Ron Howard, I had just worked with Ron Howard on a movie called The Missing with Cate Blanchett.
00:17:42 So Ron asked me if I would do Cinderella Man with him, and I would be working with Russell Crowe.
00:17:47 From the moment Russell met me, he almost mocked me during a meeting of when I said his hair color could be dark brown.
00:17:55 And to make a long story short, it just built and built where Russell, never a good morning, never a how are you, nothing.
00:18:03 and one day
00:18:05 he was doing a fight scene
00:18:08 it was around 1.30 in the morning
00:18:09 we were supposed to wrap at 10.30 that night
00:18:12 it was between him and Paul Giamatti
00:18:14 and the first AD said
00:18:16 if you guys could get in there
00:18:18 his team, I was doing his hair
00:18:19 David was doing his makeup
00:18:25 so we were going to take turns
00:18:27 so I stepped in first
00:18:28 and Russell said
00:18:29 not now Emmanuel
00:18:30 and he swung his hand up
00:18:32 And if I had not put my arm up, his watch hit me on this bone right here.
00:18:37 And I flinched while I saw that Ron Howard saw it on the monitor.
00:18:41 And I got so upset, I left set, which I've never really done.
00:18:46 I just stormed off.
00:18:47 And then Ron called me.
00:18:49 And he said, are you okay? 1.00
00:18:50 And I said, Ron, if that motherfucker ever touches me again, I said, I'll take it. 0.99
00:18:56 And anyway, I was just very upset that night. 0.99
00:18:59 And three days later, we were on the dance floor shooting this big scene with about 50 extras and the whole crew.
00:19:06 And Russell was wearing a suit.
00:19:07 And I went to fix his hair right before a take.
00:19:10 And his son, he gave his son Charlie a kiss and handed it back to the nanny.
00:19:14 And as Charlie grabbed his hair, he had two little antennas sticking up.
00:19:18 So I turned around and I saw it.
00:19:20 And I raced back and I pushed it down.
00:19:22 And as I walked away, I heard, cut!
00:19:25 And it was Russell yelling, cut!
00:19:27 and he was coming after me with his fist in the air. And I turned around and he was two feet in
00:19:33 front of me. And I said, do not hit me. And he said, hit you like he was in a daze. And I said,
00:19:39 you hit me last Friday in the locker room. I said, you touch me again and I will punch you in the 1.00
00:19:43 face and I'm out of here. Do you understand? And he lowered his fist and he said, why would you do 1.00
00:19:48 that? Why would you do that right before I take? I said, your son messed up your hair. I said,
00:19:52 I was doing my job. And he said, you and I aren't done. He said, how's my hair now? And I said,
00:19:56 fine. He said, you and I aren't finished yet. So he did the scene. And then he calls me and he
00:20:01 says, Emmanuel. And he takes me to the back of the restaurant. And behind the studio is just
00:20:07 the screen. It was just him and I. And he said, do you know what it takes? Do you know what it
00:20:11 takes for me? And I thought, are you kidding? You're crying. You're playing the victim here
00:20:18 when you hit me. I could have sued you. I could have sued you. Who hits somebody at work? But
00:20:26 There were actors who just had this lovely feeling towards me like Judy Dance or Jane Fonda.
00:20:32 And there were actors that just had this aversion to me of, I don't care who, I don't know who you think you are, but I'm the star.
00:20:38 I'm the power here, not you.
00:20:40 And I never tried to take it.
00:20:43 I never said I was the star.
00:20:44 I never tried to be the star or the standout hairdresser or the grandstander.
00:20:51 So interesting you said that about Russell Crowe.
00:20:53 I told my partner, Magnus, who's also a journalist, who also interviewed Russell Crowe, he's like, Russell Crowe is the only person I've been physically scared of.
00:21:04 He's the only person that I, you know, could feel that could do something, you know, like be that, yeah, physical.
00:21:12 I've met him a couple of times.
00:21:14 I had good experiences with him, but I will tell you, I was terrified when I sat down to interview him because he has a reputation like that.
00:21:23 So you're kind of not expecting it, but it's, you know, it's Russell Crowe.
00:21:29 But you said something to me yesterday when we were talking on the phone.
00:21:32 You said you'd rather work with Russell again than Anne Hathaway.
00:21:38 That's pretty smart.
00:21:40 You have a good memory.
00:21:42 Yes, because Russell, I knew what I was getting.
00:21:45 I knew it felt to me like he was insecure about playing this character, James Braddock, a real-life character.
00:21:55 He was carrying the movie.
00:21:58 I could see who Russell was.
00:22:02 And one day he said to me, he said, you know why I don't talk to you?
00:22:06 And I said, no, Russell, tell me.
00:22:07 Why don't you?
00:22:08 He said, because you're always there.
00:22:09 You do a good job.
00:22:10 And you're one less thing I have to think about.
00:22:12 So I thought, so that's the reason there's no good morning. 1.00
00:22:14 hello, thank you, goodbye, fuck off, anything. And with Anne Hathaway, it felt calculated. It 0.99
00:22:22 felt, I'm going to do this, but it's going to be subtle. I'm going to talk about you behind your
00:22:29 back, but not to your face. I'm going to, Russell told me, he told me how he felt about me. He tried
00:22:35 to hit me. And it was just, it felt like it was, I'd hear things. The first AD one day pulled me
00:22:43 aside. He said, be very careful, Emmanuel. He said, Anne was telling people how unprofessional
00:22:47 you were. And that was Steve Carell and Dwayne Johnson. And these people really liked me.
00:22:54 But yet Anne was saying, I can't believe how unprofessional he is. And I just thought,
00:22:57 why don't you have the courage to tell me to my face?
00:23:00 Why would she say you were unprofessional? What did you do that was, according to her,
00:23:04 unprofessional?
00:23:06 As I mentioned earlier, prior to that movie, I had been working with Tom Hanks and we were
00:23:11 shooting a movie called Charlie Wilson's War and we shot some of it in Morocco and they had to
00:23:17 recreate some of the scenes with Julia Roberts and Tom and they were recreated in Los Angeles
00:23:24 in Santa Clarita Valley to make it look like I guess the Atlas Mountains so Tom asked me if I
00:23:31 would be available so I mentioned at the beginning of Get Smart if I could be in May there's going
00:23:37 to be a week of reshoots. Could you please figure out the scheduling with Anne Hathaway that she
00:23:43 wouldn't be working at that time so I can work with Tom Hanks and recreate the look I created
00:23:48 for him? Because it was very specific, creating a look for Charlie Wilson. Well, it was discussed
00:23:54 as we got closer to May. I was told that Anne's going to be working that week. And I said,
00:23:59 I asked for that week off. It's for Tom. And Anne wouldn't do it. She sent her people in to
00:24:07 scold me. I was scolded. Anne thinks you're very unprofessional. And this is really bothering her.
00:24:13 So I called Tom and I said, Tom, I'm going to have another hairdresser flown in, Sasha Quarles
00:24:19 from New York. He knows my work. He can recreate the look. And I said, but Anne Hathaway won't
00:24:25 give me the time off. And Tom, I remember Tom saying, okay, I'll remember that. He said that.
00:24:32 So the morning, the first morning of the reshoots for Charlie Wilson's War, I raced all the way out to Santa Clarita, got there at 6 a.m.
00:24:41 Tom got there early.
00:24:42 I recreated the look, showed Sasha how to do this look I had created.
00:24:48 And then as I was leaving, I saw Julia and she gave me a big hug.
00:24:51 And so I started on my morning right, but I sat in traffic and trying, if you know Los Angeles, trying to get from Santa Clarita to Long Beach or San Pedro at nine or eight o'clock in the morning is a two hour, three hour drive.
00:25:07 So while I was late, everyone was aware of what I was doing, that I was working with Tom Hanks, that it was Mike Nichols directing.
00:25:14 But that's when they warned me.
00:25:15 They said, be very careful.
00:25:17 She's saying, I can't believe how unprofessionally he is that he would be late to work when it's not because I was drinking or overslept or drunk or it was because I was doing something for another actor.
00:25:30 And anyway, so that's so it's things like that that I just thought any chance I felt that she had any chance she got to stab me in the back or talk badly about me, she did.
00:25:42 maybe that's what this karma is
00:25:44 I mean I'm not
00:25:47 angry at her but
00:25:48 I'll sing like a canary of my
00:25:50 experience with her
00:25:51 I love that
00:25:54 and of course we have to talk a little bit
00:25:57 about Blake Lively as well because my audience
00:25:59 here on my channel have been following
00:26:00 the legal drama and of course
00:26:02 watched my interview with her which I think
00:26:04 you also mentioned that you watched
00:26:06 and you work
00:26:08 with Blake as well
00:26:09 what was your experience like with her?
00:26:12 I, to sum it up, I was a makeup artist that, that her makeup artists got me the job because I had
00:26:23 got, I had got her so many jobs. So she said, would you come and do Blake Lively's hair? From
00:26:28 the moment I met Blake, it was like the little mini version of Anne Hathaway. The, oh, I've had
00:26:36 five months. This is just a month of doing your hair. But every conversation, everything was about
00:26:41 her and centered around her and in the trailer. And she thought she, I don't remember her ever
00:26:47 saying hello to me. Good morning to me. Thank you. Anything as I did her hair. And again,
00:26:52 not that they have to, honestly, I don't want people to get the wrong impression that I,
00:26:56 if I'm not thanked or, but it's just, I'm walking my dog down the street. I say good morning to
00:27:02 strangers and you say good morning. So, but to sum it up, it was Easter time. Blake, I was invited
00:27:10 to her house, which was on Wilmington Beach. They rented a house for her. And her makeup artist said,
00:27:17 if you don't go, because I know you don't like her, but if you don't go, she's going to wonder
00:27:21 why. So I went to this Easter brunch that was supposed to start at one o'clock. Eddie Redmayne
00:27:27 was there. He was also in the movie. Chloe Moretz Grace. Anyway, she was there, their family. She
00:27:36 had about 20 people at her house. Not once did I see Blake greet her guests. She was making
00:27:43 desserts and the dining room table was covered in desserts. I was told she was up all night
00:27:48 making desserts. The food wasn't served. Finally at four o'clock, I left. I said, I can't take
00:27:54 this. After I picked up the honey baked ham that was on the kitchen counter, I got some food,
00:27:59 but I left. And I heard that the food wasn't even served almost till eight o'clock that night,
00:28:04 if food at all. So that just sums up, that's my experience with Blake. She invited people over for
00:28:10 Easter dinner, but she didn't greet her guests. She didn't feed them. It was all about her. And 0.98
00:28:16 that's how I summed it up, that this is all about her. This is about her clothing, her makeup,
00:28:22 her hair, her life, her story, and nobody else. That's my summation.
00:28:28 I feel like that sounds like the Blake Lively we all got to know now even I mean this lawsuit of course has been telling us even more about who she really is but talking about lawsuits because you have also worked with both Johnny Depp and Amber Heard and I think I agree with everything you said about them too.
00:28:54 So first, let's talk about Johnny Depp, because I adore him.
00:28:59 I interviewed him a few times, and I just felt like this guy is for real.
00:29:04 He's so authentic.
00:29:05 He is just present.
00:29:07 He's so warm and so gracious and humble.
00:29:12 And yeah, is that your experience, too, working with Johnny?
00:29:16 Lovely, lovely, lovely is what comes to mind.
00:29:19 And the morning that I met him, I went to do this movie called Public Enemies.
00:29:23 We were shooting in Chicago.
00:29:25 And I was called one morning.
00:29:26 It wasn't decided I was going to be the head hairdresser, but it wasn't decided who was
00:29:31 doing Johnny's hair.
00:29:32 So I got a phone call and said, would you be willing to meet Johnny at his hotel, at
00:29:36 the Peninsula Hotel at 10 o'clock in the morning and see if there was, have a little
00:29:42 meet and greet, see if we connected.
00:29:44 And I walked in there and it was just Johnny.
00:29:47 His bodyguard met me in the lobby, took me up to the 12th floor, and I was waiting in the living room.
00:29:53 And Johnny comes in and he said, Emmanuel, he said, I've heard a lot about you.
00:29:57 And I said, I've heard a lot about you.
00:29:59 But we both kind of laughed because it wasn't Johnny Depp, the movie star.
00:30:03 His makeup artist, Patty, had told him about me, what a great guy I was.
00:30:07 And she was telling me what a great guy he is.
00:30:09 Well, in our conversation of waiting for Michael Mann, the director, to show up to give Johnny a haircut,
00:30:15 But I guess it was decided that Johnny said, this guy is going to be the one who's going
00:30:20 to do my hair.
00:30:21 I told him, he said, what are you doing this weekend?
00:30:23 And I said, well, my son, my youngest son is in town.
00:30:26 He's going to Iraq.
00:30:27 He's a soldier.
00:30:28 He's a soldier in the army, and he's going to Iraq.
00:30:32 And Johnny said, I'd love to meet him and thank him for a service.
00:30:36 So he said, please, could you call him?
00:30:38 So I called my son.
00:30:39 He said he was 10 minutes away.
00:30:41 Stephen showed up, and as he walked into the hotel room in the lobby, I looked at my son,
00:30:48 who was going off to war, and I said, Johnny, this is my heart. If anything would happen to
00:30:53 this boy, a piece of me would die. And I broke, because I was being sincere. When I looked over
00:30:59 at Johnny, he had a tear in his eye. He later told me, he said, that really touched me,
00:31:05 how you spoke about your son. I feel that way about my kids. And that was our bond.
00:31:09 before I did his hair on set, always lovely to me, always good morning, always thank you.
00:31:16 I mean, he didn't talk much when he was really in character, but when you work with something
00:31:20 like that, that's why it's so, it stands out so blatant about people like Blake or Amber Heard
00:31:27 or Anne Hathaway when they treat you the opposite way. No, Johnny is just lovely, lovely.
00:31:32 I've never heard anyone say anything bad about him that actually have met him or worked with him.
00:31:38 And maybe some people said that he's sometimes late or whatever he can.
00:31:43 But apart from that, everyone's just like, this guy is just a really nice, nice human being.
00:31:49 When you work with an actor 12 hours a day, even sometimes longer, because Michael Mann shoots long hours, and then you see them go back to their trailer, shower and change, and then greet the people.
00:32:01 I had never seen as many people waiting outside.
00:32:04 They would start at six in the morning or five in the morning.
00:32:07 there'd be maybe a handful of people. By the end of the day, there'd be maybe a thousand people,
00:32:12 700, a thousand people or more waiting for Johnny. Johnny would walk. I would told his makeup artist
00:32:19 because I would go home. She said, I said, how long were you here last night? She said, three
00:32:23 hours. Johnny walks the crowd, shakes hands, signs autograph, takes pictures. Every night he would do
00:32:30 that wow that says i've never i never it does because i'd never experienced that with an actor
00:32:37 who was that loyal to their fans and that uh genuine with their fans i've heard the same
00:32:45 stories actually that he would even walk out it was raining and he would just like
00:32:49 spend time with everyone um but anyway so uh talking about johnny we have to talk about amber
00:32:55 because you also worked with Amber Heard.
00:33:00 You can imagine.
00:33:03 No, go ahead.
00:33:04 Yeah, no, just go ahead.
00:33:05 What was your experience like with Amber Heard?
00:33:09 Well, to me, when I was watching the trial
00:33:11 and I watched almost every bit of it,
00:33:14 imagine it's like watching your friend on trial
00:33:16 to say, that's not true, that's not true,
00:33:18 I would tell to talk to the TV screen.
00:33:22 And then watching her sit there,
00:33:23 I, from the moment she walked, I did a project called The Playboy Club.
00:33:29 It was a pilot for NBC. 1.00
00:33:31 And she was supposed to be one of the main bunnies.
00:33:34 It was 1963.
00:33:36 From the moment she walked into the trailer, everybody else was Laura Benati, Jenna Dewan, 0.98
00:33:43 just would let me create these lovely, elaborate 1963 hairstyles, teased up hair. 0.99
00:33:50 Amber, before she even said hello, she said, I don't want my hair teased.
00:33:53 I just did a photo shoot in Paris, and they broke my hair.
00:33:57 I don't want any hair extensions.
00:33:59 I don't want any hairspray.
00:34:01 And those are the kind of things you want to say to somebody,
00:34:03 well, hello to you as well.
00:34:05 And she was that way, the continuous way, continually for over a month,
00:34:11 to the point where, again, she got the Anne Hathaway treatment.
00:34:15 Not that I returned her gift, but on the last day of shooting,
00:34:17 just to make my point, I refused to touch up her hair.
00:34:20 And as I walked by her after touching up the two actresses beside her, she said, aren't you going to do my hair?
00:34:26 And I said, no.
00:34:27 And I said, because I just thought, yeah, I said, no.
00:34:33 But again, watching the trial, I just wanted to say she's lying. 1.00
00:34:37 This woman is, she's conniving. 1.00
00:34:40 And also when I met her, she had a girlfriend. 1.00
00:34:43 She brought her girlfriend to, I have no problem with that. 0.96
00:34:47 My oldest son is gay. 0.99
00:34:48 My daughter's a lesbian or she's gay. 0.97
00:34:50 And I have a straight son. 0.96
00:34:52 So it's not the gay thing.
00:34:53 But I just thought, you married Johnny Depp?
00:34:56 How come when I met you, you had a girlfriend?
00:34:58 That was my experience with Amber. 1.00
00:35:00 She just was so unpleasant.
00:35:01 So when did you work with her?
00:35:04 What time, what year was that compared to when the trial was?
00:35:07 Was that around the same?
00:35:09 No, this was probably a couple years before.
00:35:12 I mean, again, she was dating a girl that I met.
00:35:16 um so it must have been two three years after she must have met johnny and i mean i was shocked
00:35:25 when i heard that they were together but this whole trial i i kept watching it just thinking 0.71
00:35:31 can please people please see that this woman is lying and she's not a nice person 0.97
00:35:36 again these are thing my experience they weren't nice to me yeah um but actually i don't think i
00:35:44 saw anybody uh interact with amber on set i don't think she interacted with anybody nicely
00:35:50 it's so interesting how we have the exact same experience with people like when you're saying
00:35:57 this person is nice i have the good experience with them so it's like you know i think when
00:36:04 we say that a lot of other people have similar experiences with these people you know the amber
00:36:13 Hurds and Blake Wivelys and Anne Hathaways out there. Although Blake Wively and Amber Hurd are
00:36:20 basically canceled, Anne Hathaway is more successful than ever. Yeah. She is, but honestly,
00:36:29 it has to be her people. It has to be her people or forcing somebody to hire her or they know where
00:36:37 the bodies are buried because, again, I did not feel, I made a list because we talked yesterday
00:36:43 about are there people that I liked working with that I had a great experience in. The top of the
00:36:48 list was Cate Blanchett, Angelina Jolie, Kristen Wig, Kirsten Dunst, Julia Roberts, Cameron Diaz,
00:36:57 Emily Blunt, Jane Fonda, Judi Dench, Melanie Laurent from Inglourious Bastards. I mean,
00:37:03 And I've had great experiences with so many people.
00:37:06 And those are just the women that I've worked with.
00:37:10 I've had great experiences with men.
00:37:12 I don't know what it was with those three women, but they, I think, I don't know if
00:37:16 it was insecurity or to this day, I'd be happy to meet any one of them and ask them
00:37:22 the question, what was going on?
00:37:24 I should invite all of them here on my channel and then we can both be here and they can
00:37:29 explain to us why it's so hard to just be nice.
00:37:32 And why is it so hard to be polite to people?
00:37:35 It's the easiest thing in the world.
00:37:37 It's much, you know, it takes so much more energy to actually not be nice to people.
00:37:43 Don't you think?
00:37:45 It absolutely does.
00:37:46 And the story I told you yesterday, I'll try to be brief with it, where somebody brought
00:37:51 in a magazine that I was mentioned in by Kirsten Dunst and Bryce Howard, because I did Spider-Man
00:37:56 3 with them.
00:37:58 And Anne was reading the magazine as I did her hair because she, of course, she didn't talk to me while I did her hair.
00:38:03 She pretended, I guess, she was in a beauty salon.
00:38:06 But she got to the point where my name was written on the page.
00:38:10 And she said, oh, look.
00:38:11 She said, you're in this magazine.
00:38:13 Did you know that?
00:38:14 And I said, yes, somebody brought that in.
00:38:15 She said, do you know them?
00:38:16 And I said, well, I did a movie with them, Spider-Man 3.
00:38:22 That's what they're commenting on.
00:38:23 And she said, give him my number and have him call me.
00:38:26 And I was so confused by that.
00:38:29 She said, well, then give them my number and have them call me.
00:38:31 I don't know if she was testing me.
00:38:33 She said, are they nice?
00:38:34 I said, they're great.
00:38:35 I said, I'm doing Bryce's next movie in Louisiana right after this.
00:38:40 And I was just in Kirsten's kitchen a couple of weeks ago.
00:38:43 And it was.
00:38:44 Kirsten and I were just talking in her kitchen.
00:38:47 As soon as she heard me say that, she said, you know, Kiki is, and I didn't hear the rest of it.
00:38:52 But she tried to, I guess, top me by saying, you call her Kirsten, us insiders call her Kiki.
00:39:00 And that's the kind of thing that just continued.
00:39:02 I just thought, Anne, what's the problem here?
00:39:06 What is the issue that you want to make sure that I've heard you're around all these movie stars and have worked with some of the biggest people in the business, but you're not going to get that kind of nice treatment from me.
00:39:17 That's what it felt like.
00:39:18 You're not going to get it from me.
00:39:20 So interesting.
00:39:21 like i said yesterday i feel like she's an elitist and that she's above everyone i was watching a
00:39:29 video when she was waving to fans and the way she was just waving to them and telling them off at
00:39:34 the same time like hello you can stand there you can stand there you can stand there and i'm gonna
00:39:38 just do this and then you can take your photos and then i'm going to leave i'm like oh exactly
00:39:44 i cannot take photos with everyone but i will stand here and wave if you'd like to take a photo
00:39:50 i cannot sign you are beautiful but i want you to have something so if you'd like i'll just
00:39:57 wave a little bit i cannot withstand you so then i have to with everyone and not only that during
00:40:06 well during the middle of shooting the movie titanic which i just love and i worked with
00:40:10 James Cameron on the abyss. And so I, I, I go see his movies, but, um, I was told her makeup artist,
00:40:18 Nikki, I was going to have a t-shirt made as a joke and said, but what is a movie star doing
00:40:23 situation? It reminded me of the scene where the ship was sinking and they put the, the people in
00:40:29 the lifeboats and the wealthy woman said, this is just first class. And that's what made me think
00:40:35 of Anne of the t-shirt, the t-shirt would have said, but what does a movie star do in this
00:40:39 situation, not a regular person, a movie star. And that's the impression. The only impression
00:40:48 I left with is, I don't know where you think you're better than people. My daughter was her
00:40:54 stand-in while we shot in LA for six weeks. And I would see her, she would come on set and she'd say,
00:41:00 hi, Kate. My daughter's name is Catherine, but she would call her Kate. And not once did Anne say,
00:41:08 So do you have any other children or your daughter's my stand-in?
00:41:11 No, there was never just a natural conversation between us that normal people,
00:41:17 I mean, when you work with somebody for five months, you say,
00:41:19 so where do you vacation or where did you grow up?
00:41:22 What did you do this weekend?
00:41:24 Yeah.
00:41:24 Yes, exactly.
00:41:26 Exactly.
00:41:26 How was your weekend?
00:41:28 No, no, you're not going to get one, not one iota of kindness towards me.
00:41:36 Oh, my God.
00:41:37 Thank you so much, Emmanuel, for telling us all these stories.
00:41:40 They are amazing.
00:41:42 I'm sure you have so many more.
00:41:43 And people can get your book on Amazon.
00:41:47 And what other projects are you working on now?
00:41:50 There it is.
00:41:51 The kindest cut.
00:41:52 Let's see how thick it is.
00:41:54 It looks like a...
00:41:55 Oh, my gosh.
00:41:56 There's a lot of stories in there.
00:41:58 But that's volume two.
00:42:01 This is volume one.
00:42:03 Oh, my.
00:42:04 How many pages?
00:42:06 Wow.
00:42:06 My editor said I could have done four books.
00:42:10 He said, you've really got to cut it down because, so he said, let's just do it.
00:42:15 And so right in the middle of Kill Bill, working on Kill Bill, I've cut the book in half.
00:42:22 So if you're reading volume one, you might want to buy volume two to finish what I started to say.
00:42:29 Wow. I love that you call it the kindest cut.
00:42:32 What did you mean by that, by the way?
00:42:33 And years ago, again, actors would say to me, you really should write a book.
00:42:38 And I thought, I couldn't imagine myself being a writer.
00:42:42 So the words came to me, the kindest cut, if I was ever going to write a book.
00:42:49 And I imagined a pair of scissors, like that's a pair of scissors saying the kindest cut.
00:42:56 What I mean is, I don't mean to be mean.
00:42:59 I don't want to come across as bitchy or angry hairdresser.
00:43:02 So it's the kind cut of saying, it's a play on words, I cut your hair, but also I saw a truth about these people.
00:43:10 I saw a truth about Johnny Depp, just as I did Anne Hathaway.
00:43:16 That's what I meant by that.
00:43:17 So my friend Kyle Colt, who is a brilliant actor, he's the one who suggested to write intuitive life lessons learned, because I love intuition.
00:43:26 I love using my intuition.
00:43:28 So it's intuitive life lessons learned by a Hollywood hairdresser.
00:43:31 Not just they did this and I had lunch with them and we were besties, but just these are the things that I picked up being around them.
00:43:39 Because, again, by the grace of God, I've been around a lot of people.
00:43:43 I forget how many people I've actually worked with or met over the years.
00:43:48 And you survived, as you said, for so many years.
00:43:51 That is so impressive to me.
00:43:53 I mean, I interviewed these people for about 15 to 18 years, and now looking back at it, all the stuff that I had to take from all these people, not only the celebrities themselves, but the people around them that, you know, are even worse sometimes.
00:44:11 And you did this, and you did, like, I think you have like 88 movies on IMDb that you worked on.
00:44:18 I mean, it is so impressive to me and you kept true to yourself and you called out BS and I just love it.
00:44:27 I think it's just amazing.
00:44:29 I mean, yeah.
00:44:30 Thank you.
00:44:31 Thank you.
00:44:32 Yeah.
00:44:32 That means so much to me because you just described that's what it was about.
00:44:36 That's why I moved to Atlanta for 10 years.
00:44:39 I lived there for 10 years.
00:44:40 My youngest son was in kindergarten and we left when he was in high school.
00:44:45 We moved back to L.A.
00:44:46 But I think that's how I survived it.
00:44:48 I would be working with Jean-Claude Van Damme, riding an elephant in Thailand.
00:44:53 And then the next day I was sitting at a soccer game in Roswell, Georgia, cheering my son on.
00:44:58 And the two worlds, they never collided, really.
00:45:02 My kids would visit me on set, but I could work with Bill Murray on this movie and then go to a PTA meeting.
00:45:09 And I think that's what it grounded me.
00:45:11 And that's why when somebody tried to act like, as we described in this interview, a big star or they're better than somebody, I would just see it and just think, no, you're not.
00:45:22 I mean, do you change diapers?
00:45:25 Do you drive your kids to school?
00:45:27 Do you prepare lunches?
00:45:29 That's what matters, really.
00:45:32 Yeah, so true.
00:45:34 Well, thank you again so much for being here.
00:45:37 And I'm sure people are going to order you books.
00:45:40 I will.
00:45:41 I mean, I didn't even know it was two of them.
00:45:43 Now you have everything that you need to read before Christmas.
00:45:49 So, yeah, Manuel, thank you so much for doing this.
00:45:52 And thank you for being honest.
00:45:53 I really appreciate it.
00:45:55 That's what I'm all about as well.
00:45:57 Tell the truth.
00:45:58 And some people can't handle it, but that's their problem, right?
00:46:04 Well, I appreciate you having me because it is a good feeling to just tell the truth.
00:46:08 Again, if anybody listening, if you get offended by this, I'm not, I'm not, I wasn't trying to bash anybody.
00:46:16 I'm just telling the truth of this is what my experience was working with them.
00:46:20 And by the way, I'd be happy to send you copies of my books.
00:46:23 I'll order them.
00:46:24 To the least I could do.
00:46:27 Thank you so much.
00:46:28 I'd love to have you back on.
00:46:29 I'm sure like we now have seen the, how thick your books are.
00:46:33 I'm sure you have so many more stories and I would love to hear all of them.
00:46:36 So again, thank you, Emmanuel.
00:46:39 And if people want to follow you on social media, whatever, I will leave link below to that as well.
00:46:46 And yeah, is there anything you want to say before?
00:46:49 Other than you've confirmed that what I've attracted in my profession is a loveliness.
00:46:55 And this has been a lovely interview.
00:46:58 You yourself are lovely.
00:46:59 One of the reasons that made me want to do the interview was a few years ago when I saw how Anne Hathaway was you and the Blake Lively thing, I said to myself, I would want to help that girl, that lovely interviewer to just say that I know what you went through, that that's what it is.
00:47:19 So I'm so glad we got a chance to do this.
00:47:22 Me too. And I'm so sorry I had to go through that for five months. I only had five minutes and you had five months of that. I'm so sorry.
00:47:31 That interview captured exactly. That's what made me want to do this when she said, well, you can do that, but I won't be answering that. I thought, imagine that 12 hours a day, five months.
00:47:43 oh my god oh my god oh i'm so sorry okay anyways emmanuel take care and i hope i
00:47:51 see you here again soon and uh anytime anytime you want to talk let's talk
00:47:56 so i was gonna ask you to do the first question and singing can i sing it to you and you can
00:48:05 sing back the answer well i won't be doing that but you're more than welcome to sing
00:48:08 Kirsti Fla from TV2 Norway and you have speed.
00:48:12 Do you feel that love was more passionate back then or people would sacrifice more for love than we do today?
00:48:18 No.
00:48:20 No?
00:48:21 No.
00:48:22 Do you remember your first crush?
00:48:24 No.
00:48:25 We don't?
00:48:26 Okay.
00:48:27 Thank you very much.
00:48:28 Thank you very much.
00:48:29 Thank you. It was nice to meet you.
00:48:38 Thank you.