Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - December 16, 2025


How Blake Lively plotted from the START !!!


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A source tells me why they think Blake and Justin didn t work out and why no one in the industry is on her side. The source also tells me about a major blowout between Ryan Reynolds and Justin Baldoni that could have been prevented.

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00:00:00.000 The source also told me that no one in the industry is on her side.
00:00:10.680 Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk. I'm Tashti Floor, journalist, Hollywood truth teller and your voice
00:00:16.340 of reason in a town built on delusion. Okay, I know I already published a video today but I wanted
00:00:23.300 to give you another one because I know a lot of you come here to hear the latest on Blake Lively
00:00:29.540 and Justin Baldoni and I just spoke to a source. A person who knows all the parties here and a person
00:00:39.080 who has interacted with them on different occasions. I can't say much more about this person but I can
00:00:46.580 reveal that they're not a publicist and that it is a person who is in the industry. This person
00:00:55.640 told me a few of the things that went on behind the scenes during the shoot of It Ends With Us.
00:01:01.840 First, they explained to me why they think that Blake and Justin didn't work out like their
00:01:10.360 personalities clashed which makes a lot of sense to me. The source said that, you know, Justin is this
00:01:17.500 vulnerable person who some people might think over shares but that is for him a way to get people to
00:01:26.340 trust him and to actually connect with people and Blake Lively is the complete opposite of that.
00:01:32.880 She's very protective and she's very shut off in a sense and people around her have learned that
00:01:40.940 about her. So people don't want to share things with Blake Lively as I'm sure Leighton Meester learned
00:01:47.720 after sharing personal things with Blake that Blake later used against her. Like that she was born in
00:01:54.560 prison that Blake just threw out there and Blake has these awkward moments and the source is pointing
00:02:00.520 out that those awkward moments make people not trust her. And when Blake and Justin met on the set,
00:02:08.740 their personalities just completely clashed. And also Blake knows how to take advantage of people
00:02:15.580 that are showing their vulnerabilities to her. So this person said that they were actually kind of
00:02:21.440 a fan of Blake Lively before all of this went down and they thought that Blake kind of had more talent
00:02:28.480 that she was given credit for. And then they explained how, you know, someone trying to take over the way
00:02:34.940 Blake Lively tried to take over this movie is unheard of. It's unheard of in the industry and an actress, 0.64
00:02:43.680 just for an actress to have this kind of idea is crazy because it would backfire so tremendously on them
00:02:51.960 if they try to take a movie from a director. And the source said the only reason why Blake did that
00:02:59.680 to Justin was because she felt, you know, he was a great target. The power imbalance was huge and she
00:03:07.080 knew that. And of course, she also knew that she had Ryan Reynolds on her side. So this source also told
00:03:13.380 me about that meeting when Ryan was yelling at Justin and how Justin had no idea what was happening
00:03:21.180 and he couldn't understand the reason for this blowout from Ryan because they were going to work
00:03:29.680 together. And Justin thought, you know, why is Ryan having all this rage? Why doesn't he want to find
00:03:36.100 a solution and make things better? Remember, this is before they even started shooting when Blake and
00:03:42.420 Ryan invited Justin to their penthouse so Ryan could yell at Justin for five hours. Justin didn't
00:03:49.280 understand at that point that that was a power play to start taking over the movie. And this source
00:03:54.920 said that he was devastated about what had happened there, but he didn't understand why they couldn't
00:04:00.480 come to a solution. And that makes so much sense to me because why would you have a meeting like that
00:04:06.980 trying to make things so much more difficult for everyone to work together because they didn't even
00:04:12.900 come up with any solution after that had happened. It was just like a big blowout from Ryan
00:04:18.660 on to Justin. But what really caught my attention that this person also told me is that after even that
00:04:25.380 happened and after Justin was made aware that the cast was planning to unfollow him, he never said a bad word
00:04:35.580 about any of them to anyone. He knew that Blake was whisking away Brandon's Glenar and Jenny Slate.
00:04:44.340 Those two he knew about that she was taking them away for weekends and to get to know them and to
00:04:51.260 use them against Justin. He didn't know about Isabella Ferrer at that point, but still he never
00:04:57.140 talked bad about them to anyone. And I think that says a lot about Justin. And that's what this source
00:05:03.520 also said, you know, they said that, you know, Justin is just such a nice person and he believed that
00:05:10.420 problems can be solved with love and patience. People really don't believe that because people
00:05:16.920 are not used to meeting people like that, especially here in Hollywood. But then when you get to know
00:05:22.540 him, you understand that that's actually who he is. And I think now that we've seen so many text
00:05:28.920 messages as well from people involved in this drama that we've never seen anything from Justin or from
00:05:37.660 Jamie Heath for that matter, where they suggest that they should punish anyone or that they should
00:05:43.820 bad mouth anyone that did all these things to them. This source said that they don't even think
00:05:50.620 that it could occur to Justin to do anything to harm any of these people. And they also said that every
00:05:58.620 set in Hollywood has people yelling and every set has people losing their patience. So reading about what
00:06:07.180 happened in this case on the set of evidence with us is less, this person said, than what usually
00:06:14.520 happens on these kind of sets. And the source also said, you know, I can't believe how calm Justin was
00:06:19.700 through all of this. We also talked about, you know, how backstabbing is normal in Hollywood,
00:06:26.420 but not at this level. And the source said, you know, why would they file this lawsuit just before
00:06:32.580 Christmas? It is just pure evil. It is just to harm people as much as possible. And Blake knew that what
00:06:41.140 she was accusing these men of would harm their families, their children, their friends. And she
00:06:49.060 would allow that to happen during Christmas. And she knew deep inside that what she was accusing him of,
00:06:55.120 the S-age that was supposedly happening on this set, was based on trivial things that she just twisted.
00:07:05.100 The source also told me that no one in the industry is on her side. No one in the industry wants to work
00:07:14.220 with Blake Lively, except they said maybe someone like Paul Feig. He would go back to working with her
00:07:21.920 because he feels safe that she wouldn't do something like this to him, but no one else.
00:07:28.140 They also said when they learned that Ryan Reynolds had taken over Deadpool from Tim Miller,
00:07:35.400 people in the industry were shocked and thought, hey, how can he get away with something like this?
00:07:40.440 They'd never seen anything like that before, that an actor can actually go in and take over a movie
00:07:45.740 and kick out the director of his own project, which is basically what Ryan Reynolds did.
00:07:50.880 And they said that Blake Lively looked at that and thought, hey, I can do something like that as
00:07:57.140 well. And there were rumors and reports that Blake tried something similar on the other movie called
00:08:04.720 Rhythm Section, where she basically took over post-production of that movie. And as we know,
00:08:11.300 when we watched that interview that she did on Forbes, where she said that I sign on to a movie as
00:08:17.480 an actress, but then my plan is always to get ownership. And people don't always understand
00:08:23.080 that. And then they get annoyed with me when I said, when I tell them, hey, I'm here to take over
00:08:27.340 your movie. So yes. And I asked the source if they thought that this was planned from the beginning,
00:08:33.260 this takeover, and they said that that is possible. We don't know that yet. I think looking at it now,
00:08:40.820 and especially when hearing this explanation about that yelling that Ryan Reynolds did in their
00:08:47.200 apartments, I feel like at that point, that was even before they started shooting, they probably
00:08:53.740 had this plan already. My impression after talking to this source is that a lot of people misunderstand
00:09:00.160 maybe Justin Baldoni because he comes across as very different from most people that you meet in
00:09:05.380 Hollywood. And sometimes you'll be like, hey, I don't believe this. This must be fake because no
00:09:10.680 one is like this. He's so pure and he is so driven by love in a sense that people are not used to here.
00:09:21.780 And his main goal is basically to make the world a better place. And we also talked about this phone
00:09:27.300 call from Sean Levy that everyone feels like it's such a betrayal that he just inserted himself in
00:09:37.060 and gave Justin terrible advice. He basically told him to just give in for everything that
00:09:43.920 Blake demanded. And Justin, as you know, followed that advice. And also the betrayal from Sony,
00:09:50.760 because Sony had told Justin that if his movie, uh, would rate better or his cut would rate better
00:09:59.280 than Blake's cut, they would pick his film. They would pick his version. But then Sony didn't honor
00:10:05.460 that promise because Blake put pressure on them and said that she would not promote the movie unless
00:10:11.560 they picked her version. So there were so many betrayals here happening, like constant betrayal
00:10:19.740 up till the premiere, up to the premiere of this movie, where, as we know, Justin was sent into
00:10:25.460 the basement with the rest of his team. So yes, I'm so grateful that someone reached out to me like
00:10:29.980 this and shared all of this with me, because I think the more we get to learn about him as a person
00:10:35.800 as well, it's easier to understand what actually happened here. And as I think, as I said before,
00:10:42.500 I don't think all of these people involved here are saints. And I think people maybe also on the
00:10:48.040 Wayfair Party side, I don't know about these publicists, what they really did behind the scenes.
00:10:53.240 We don't know that yet. And I think one of the reasons why there's been so much fighting around
00:10:59.560 these signal messages is because in those messages, I think there are probably people not saying good
00:11:06.520 things about Blake. But I don't think Justin ever did that because the more people I've spoken to and
00:11:12.360 the more text messages that we've seen, it is obvious to me that Justin is not a person that
00:11:19.080 we talk bad about anyone. And one of those text messages, I think it was a couple of weeks ago,
00:11:24.080 it was unsealed, where Justin is basically saying that he wished her all the best and he wished light
00:11:30.900 to come into her life. You know, for someone to have experienced all of this and you can say
00:11:38.060 something so noble, that to me just says everything about a person. Anyways, I just wanted to share
00:11:44.180 that quickly with you guys. And hopefully tomorrow we'll know more because today there was a hearing
00:11:50.960 about a meeting, about maybe a settlement. And there's another order that hit the docket earlier
00:11:59.400 today where it says that the court has been contacted regarding a dispute between the parties in an
00:12:05.840 ongoing deposition. The court will hold a telephone conference on the matter today. So that was an
00:12:14.380 emergency meeting. The reason for this could be many. There could be like someone who has coached a
00:12:20.880 witness. It could be questions that were asked that went outside of the topic. It could be a witness that
00:12:27.380 refused to proceed. It could be a party that refused to show documents. There's a lot of reason why this
00:12:33.480 meeting could be happening. But we know it's about someone's deposition. So maybe we'll find out more
00:12:38.380 about that tomorrow. Who knows? I'll keep you posted. As you know, tomorrow is a new day. And yes, I hope
00:12:45.360 you enjoyed this episode. And thank you so much for watching. And if you haven't subscribed yet, please do
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00:12:55.280 Bye.
00:12:55.940 Yeah, we've lost some talk.