Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - November 29, 2025


New BOMBSHELL !! Hugh and Taylor witnessed Ryan's MELTDOWN !!


Episode Stats

Length

13 minutes

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160.35469

Word Count

2,158

Sentence Count

92

Misogynist Sentences

8


Summary

A judge has ruled that all of the evidence in the Justin Baldoni vs Blake Lively case should be unsealed. This means that we get access to a lot of evidence that hasn t been made public before. What does this mean for the case and why should we be allowed to see it?


Transcript

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00:00:13.100 It's time for Tim's.
00:00:15.160 Guess who else was there?
00:00:18.040 Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman.
00:00:21.860 Yeah, we floss some talk.
00:00:26.660 Hi, and welcome to Flossom Talk.
00:00:28.180 I'm Jashti Flohr, journalist, Hollywood truth teller,
00:00:30.940 and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.
00:00:34.840 Okay, I wasn't going to work today because it's Thanksgiving,
00:00:37.140 but I just had to jump on because there's so much happening.
00:00:40.800 And this is just insane.
00:00:43.960 This is massive.
00:00:46.020 So first, I thought the big news today was that the judge just ruled
00:00:50.520 to unseal a lot of new documents that we are going to see next week.
00:00:55.460 But then I realized they already unsealed the timeline of all the drama
00:01:02.360 that Justin Baldoni's publicist, Jennifer Abel,
00:01:07.200 sent to Melissa Nason to explain to her everything that had happened
00:01:11.340 up till that point, which was after the premiere of the movie.
00:01:15.680 And one of the things, amongst a lot of other things,
00:01:18.720 that that document reveals is that during that meeting in Ryan Reynolds
00:01:25.180 and Blake Lively's penthouse, when he was yelling at Justin Baldoni
00:01:30.200 for five to six hours, guess who else was there?
00:01:35.980 Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman were there and witnessed all of this going down.
00:01:44.460 I will go through some of this today, and then I will continue to talk about this tomorrow.
00:01:49.300 Okay, so first we have to go through quickly what the judge just decided.
00:01:53.280 As I said before, this judge, even though we feel that he's been biased towards Blake Lively,
00:01:59.180 it seems like now this judge is really pro-transparency.
00:02:04.700 And that is why he has decided to unseal a bunch of documents
00:02:09.740 that are coming out next week.
00:02:12.120 December 3rd is the date where the parties have to refile
00:02:16.660 with the few redactions that have been approved
00:02:19.500 so that some of the private information they don't want to share
00:02:22.660 or they don't want to come out is redacted.
00:02:26.400 But the content of a lot of text messages, emails, voicemails,
00:02:32.920 and phone calls, recordings will be unsealed, as well as metadata.
00:02:39.180 Which could reveal, especially from Blake Lively's side,
00:02:44.320 if any evidence have been deleted or disappeared somehow,
00:02:50.560 that is also something we are going to find out next week.
00:02:54.680 So you probably remember that I was a bit disappointed last week
00:02:58.040 because the judge then ruled that a lot of the evidence that Justin Baldoni
00:03:02.460 filed with his motion for summary judgment,
00:03:05.440 remember I said it was 275 documents
00:03:08.660 and 183 of those documents were under seal
00:03:13.260 and they wouldn't be unsealed until December 19th.
00:03:17.700 So that was the date that all the parties had to agree
00:03:22.400 on what was going to be unsealed or sealed
00:03:25.080 so we would have to wait until next year.
00:03:27.000 But that is only one batch of evidence
00:03:30.340 and this is another one.
00:03:32.920 This is huge.
00:03:35.080 The reason the judge is doing this
00:03:36.760 is because he thinks that we deserve to know the truth here.
00:03:40.480 And you have to keep in mind that the judge knows everything at this point.
00:03:43.920 He has seen all the evidence.
00:03:46.040 So why does he think that we deserve to see this?
00:03:48.960 Because there's some major evidence here that will change everything.
00:03:53.020 So this doesn't only go for Blake's team here,
00:03:55.260 it also goes for Baldoni and especially street relations and Jones' work
00:03:59.440 who have to be transparent about their work methods.
00:04:03.720 The reason why they wanted to stay secretive,
00:04:06.300 especially street relations,
00:04:07.440 is because they didn't want to reveal the way they work
00:04:10.280 and they didn't want to reveal their clients.
00:04:12.880 Now they might have to do that.
00:04:15.200 Could that put Baldoni in a bad light?
00:04:17.480 Not really,
00:04:18.640 because all the evidence that we're going to get from street relations
00:04:21.100 will only show that all they did was trying to protect Justin
00:04:25.040 and be on top of things
00:04:26.360 and try to go out and kill stories
00:04:28.860 that were trying to smear Justin Baldoni.
00:04:32.660 And we've seen a lot of that communication already.
00:04:35.320 So I don't think there's anything really new we're going to learn from that,
00:04:38.700 except that these people might not work as ethical
00:04:42.480 as they pretend all the time.
00:04:45.040 But I don't think there's going to be any big surprises there.
00:04:47.760 What we will see, though, are communication from Blake Lively's side
00:04:53.320 and especially one recording that is going to be unsealed.
00:04:58.540 This also could potentially harm Stephanie Jones
00:05:01.900 because, as you know, she said that she didn't know anything
00:05:04.220 about what was going on here.
00:05:05.500 She wasn't really taking part of this alleged smear campaign
00:05:08.320 because she wasn't involved and she wasn't informed from her team workers.
00:05:14.000 And that's why this evidence that is about to come out
00:05:16.900 could really harm her if it shows that she was in all these email threads.
00:05:22.060 We've seen some already where we can see that she obviously knew
00:05:25.880 what was going on behind the scenes
00:05:28.680 when all the stuff happened around the premiere and before that.
00:05:34.220 But I think we're about to see a little bit more.
00:05:37.120 And as you know, Blake Lively's team have been accusing Baldoni's team
00:05:40.740 of spoiltation, saying that they deleted messages,
00:05:44.680 especially with those signal messages.
00:05:46.480 There's no talk about that here, but it's talk about other stuff
00:05:50.340 that Blake Lively might have deleted.
00:05:53.600 And we know that this evidence could potentially show
00:05:57.340 what Blake Lively has been doing behind the scenes,
00:06:00.800 how she has been planning PR strategies,
00:06:04.720 all these things with her emails and text messages
00:06:08.280 between her and her team that we're about to see.
00:06:12.040 Okay, so let's go quickly into this timeline
00:06:14.780 that I'm going to talk more about tomorrow
00:06:16.740 because this is crazy.
00:06:19.720 So one thing that we didn't know until this point
00:06:24.100 is that Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman were present
00:06:28.180 at that meeting at the penthouse with Ryan Reynolds
00:06:32.380 and Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni and Jamie Heath
00:06:36.460 and a representative from Sony, I think,
00:06:38.700 and some other people in the penthouse
00:06:40.940 when he was yelling at Justin for about five to six hours
00:06:45.800 according to Jamie Heath's deposition.
00:06:48.780 That's how long they were there.
00:06:49.980 And at this time, and we know now that Taylor Swift
00:06:53.740 and Hugh Jackman were also there.
00:06:56.300 This means obviously that Taylor Swift
00:06:58.880 is a lot more involved than we first thought.
00:07:02.160 We thought that she just dropped by randomly
00:07:05.380 at a meeting that Justin and Blake had
00:07:08.740 about that rooftop scene.
00:07:10.400 And she said she didn't know
00:07:11.880 that Justin was going to be there.
00:07:14.800 She had an appointment with Blake
00:07:16.500 and then she showed up
00:07:17.520 and Justin was just there by accident.
00:07:19.900 But now we know she was also here during this meeting.
00:07:23.220 So this is big.
00:07:26.300 Also, something I didn't even know or think about
00:07:29.700 is that that meeting when he was yelling at Justin,
00:07:32.760 they hadn't even started shooting yet.
00:07:36.320 This was pre-production.
00:07:39.280 Can you imagine when this happened,
00:07:42.460 you yelled at someone's husband for five or six hours
00:07:45.260 and then you have to shoot an entire movie with his wife?
00:07:49.940 So this meeting was around April 25th of 2023
00:07:54.600 and they didn't start until May 5th.
00:07:58.220 So this entire timeline shows everything
00:08:01.800 that basically went wrong
00:08:03.840 and how Blake Lively was surely but slowly
00:08:07.580 taking over power of the entire movie.
00:08:12.140 This is so bad, you guys.
00:08:14.640 And I just noticed that People magazine
00:08:17.300 picked this up already and did a story on it.
00:08:20.720 They're saying Taylor Swift, Hugh Jackman
00:08:22.640 allegedly witnessed Ryan Reynolds
00:08:24.680 confront tearful Justin Baldoni
00:08:27.020 about fat shaming Blake Lively.
00:08:30.200 Ryan Reynolds allegedly unloaded on Justin Baldoni
00:08:33.380 about how horrible it was
00:08:35.280 he would ask about a woman's weight
00:08:37.380 during the April 2023 encounter.
00:08:42.520 If you by any chance missed
00:08:43.900 what that fat shaming was about,
00:08:45.460 it was about Justin Baldoni having a back issue
00:08:48.140 and he had to be careful with his back, obviously.
00:08:52.260 And then he asked his personal trainer
00:08:54.640 that was recommended to him by Blake herself
00:08:56.980 how much he thought maybe Blake weighed
00:08:59.600 because he was going to lift her in a scene.
00:09:02.340 So it was only because he was concerned
00:09:04.260 about his back.
00:09:05.760 Then, of course, this turned into
00:09:07.780 like a big fat shaming thing.
00:09:09.820 And after this meeting,
00:09:10.880 we know that they leaked this to the press
00:09:13.380 because TMZ did a story on it.
00:09:16.120 Also, this is not great for Hugh Jackman
00:09:18.580 because he's been trying to rehabilitate his image now.
00:09:22.680 After leaving his wife,
00:09:24.100 there were so many rumors, of course, about him
00:09:26.340 and Deborah Lee Furnas
00:09:28.500 if he was unfaithful to her,
00:09:31.140 if he met Sutton Foster
00:09:32.720 before they actually split
00:09:35.060 and he just went public with Sutton
00:09:37.680 and now this is coming out,
00:09:40.240 it doesn't really look good for Hugh.
00:09:41.960 It's just not a good look.
00:09:43.980 Another thing that I'm really fascinated about here
00:09:46.280 is that why would they keep this a secret?
00:09:49.180 Did they do this to protect Hugh Jackman
00:09:51.620 and Taylor Swift?
00:09:53.460 Is that why they didn't reveal this from the beginning?
00:09:56.100 Because we've heard about this meeting for so long now,
00:09:58.460 but we didn't know until this point
00:10:00.760 that Taylor and Hugh were present
00:10:03.240 and why were they there?
00:10:06.140 Did they want to show off their dragons
00:10:09.960 in front of Justin Baldoni
00:10:11.820 to really belittle him
00:10:13.980 in front of these two big stars?
00:10:17.160 Is that why they did that?
00:10:18.500 To intimidate him?
00:10:20.200 It says here that he was teary-eyed
00:10:22.280 and very emotional
00:10:23.140 and of course we've read the text messages
00:10:25.060 that Justin sent to his group of friends
00:10:27.780 after this meeting
00:10:29.880 and how devastated he was
00:10:31.440 and that he was just shell-shocked
00:10:33.180 he couldn't even react to it
00:10:34.500 because he didn't know what to say
00:10:36.000 because all the things that they accused him of
00:10:38.480 never really happened.
00:10:40.240 There are so many things on this timeline
00:10:43.040 that I want to go through
00:10:44.740 because there's a lot of stuff here
00:10:47.740 that I didn't know until today.
00:10:50.180 There is a lot of details
00:10:52.460 and it seems like every single day
00:10:55.740 something new happened
00:10:58.720 and this also proves even more
00:11:02.460 and even further
00:11:03.460 how Blake Lively took over the movie
00:11:06.100 and how she kept firing people.
00:11:08.920 Here we have it date by date
00:11:10.980 and what shocks me the most
00:11:12.640 is all the things that happened
00:11:13.960 before they even started shooting.
00:11:16.620 Also another thing that I felt really appalling
00:11:19.160 when I read this
00:11:19.940 I'm going to mention this today as well
00:11:21.460 is that Blake requested
00:11:23.260 that everyone in the crew
00:11:24.700 had to wear name tag badges with photos.
00:11:29.560 She said this was standard protocol
00:11:31.440 on all sets.
00:11:33.300 This was not a standard practice
00:11:34.980 that anyone else on set was familiar with.
00:11:37.900 Wafer of course accommodated this request.
00:11:41.920 So everyone had to get name tags
00:11:44.320 with photos on them
00:11:45.900 so she could remember who
00:11:47.560 which
00:11:48.000 so she could get even more control over people.
00:11:51.640 That to me just seems like a fear tactic
00:11:54.420 so people would even be more worried around her
00:11:57.980 because they knew that
00:11:59.180 okay she knows who I am
00:12:00.900 why would you have a picture of yourself
00:12:03.100 on your name tag
00:12:04.100 when your face is there?
00:12:05.360 I don't get that anyways
00:12:06.780 but Blake wanted it that way
00:12:09.120 and she got it that way.
00:12:10.360 There's also a lot of things here
00:12:12.200 that is very revealing
00:12:13.580 in terms of how Blake
00:12:15.700 got the other crew cast members
00:12:17.900 to join her in the boycott
00:12:20.340 against Justin.
00:12:22.180 One of the things before I go
00:12:24.220 is that she actually paid
00:12:27.040 for Isabel Ferrer
00:12:28.480 and Brandon Sklenor
00:12:29.720 to come with her
00:12:32.020 to that book Bonanza thing
00:12:33.920 that was on her own initiative.
00:12:36.240 She didn't tell anyone about that
00:12:37.900 and that is one of the things
00:12:39.900 that obviously she used
00:12:41.540 to get control over them.
00:12:44.480 Anyways it's Thanksgiving
00:12:45.640 as I said
00:12:46.300 so this has to be short
00:12:47.620 but I just wanted to inform you
00:12:49.020 of the major things
00:12:49.980 that are coming our way
00:12:51.480 and I will get more
00:12:52.780 into this timeline tomorrow
00:12:54.280 because there's so much juice in here
00:12:56.620 and also about this new ruling
00:12:59.000 from the judge
00:12:59.900 and what we can expect in details
00:13:02.220 to see from that.
00:13:04.840 So anyways
00:13:05.700 thank you guys so much for watching
00:13:07.120 have a wonderful Thanksgiving
00:13:08.280 if you're celebrating that
00:13:09.760 if you're here in the US
00:13:10.780 and if you're in Europe
00:13:11.860 I think yeah
00:13:12.660 I think this is something
00:13:13.580 to celebrate
00:13:14.160 what happened here today.
00:13:15.360 I'm super excited about it
00:13:17.000 and I'm so happy
00:13:18.040 I can share it with you guys.
00:13:19.560 So anyways
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