Taylor's NOT Holding Back !!
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Summary
It turns out, Taylor Swift doesn t want the drama! She s trying to stay away from drama after her private text messages with Blake Lively are made public, and it s turning out, she doesn t even want to be a part of it.
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It turns out that Taylor doesn't want the drama.
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Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk. I'm Jashti Floor, journalist, Hollywood truth teller,
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and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion. So yes, we have a new victim now,
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Taylor Swift. Her reps went to the media again to defend her. It turns out that Taylor doesn't
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want the drama. Also a big shout out to Carol and to Clark who went down to the courthouse
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and got the rest of the evidence that was missing from that big pile of evidence that we got last
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week. And they uploaded all of this to docketupdates.com. That means that we have the audio
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recording that Blake Lively sent to Justin Baldoni. Hey, I hope you're so well. Just wanted to connect
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this is really important for Justin because he's using this as evidence against the fat shaming
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claims that Blake Lively made such a big deal about. Again, we're dealing with a lot of word
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salad from Blake. I'm going to play it all for you and you can make up your mind about what you think
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if Justin Baldoni is guilty of fat shaming. Another document that was uploaded, which I'm going to talk
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about in this episode, is some notes from Ange Giannetti, from Sony, who talks about how she wants
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the script to be more sexy, more steamy, and more hot. There's also new evidence released from that
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dancing scene from another angle with more audio. I'm going to go through that and other things in
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another episode. There's also some TikTok videos that they added with evidence that Blake Lively
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allegedly planted stories on TikTok with creators there. They also added a timeline of events and I
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know a lot of you guys have asked me to make a video to go through how everything happened and
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make it into a timeline and they already did that for us. So I'm definitely going to look at that in
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another episode as well. But let's get to this People Magazine article about Taylor Swift now feeling
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like she is a victim. So it says here that Taylor Swift wants to stay away from drama after her texts
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with Blake Lively are unsealed. This is from an exclusive source and it says here that Taylor feels
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like her privacy was impacted. Anyone would be uncomfortable if their private texts were suddenly
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made public. Definitely. Totally agree with that. And the only person you can blame for that is Blake
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Lively. And I mention here that she's not the only celebrity who's been in this situation who had
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their text messages released in public and I'm sure that all the other ones agree with her. No one wants
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their private text messages to be released to the public like this. They also mention here how
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Blake Lively's attorneys explain the situation when Taylor Swift just happened to be at the penthouse
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when Justin Baldoni was there. Something that Taylor's sources explained earlier that she was
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just randomly popping by and Justin happened to be there. And according to Blake Lively's deposition,
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she explained the situation like this. She said, I sent Taylor the script on her way to my apartment
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because Justin was still there and I asked her to read them. I told her she didn't have to. I didn't
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want her to feel pressured to do that, but I hope that she would. So it's no doubt here that she wanted
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Taylor to have an influence on Justin because she even sent her a text while Justin was still there.
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Why didn't she tell Justin, you know, you have to leave now. Taylor's coming. My friend is coming.
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So nice to see you. You can stay for a few minutes and say hi to her. But it was also planned and there's
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no way to explain it otherwise. But anyways, Taylor is trying to explain here that she just is a good
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friend and that's why she did these things. So the source is telling people that she was just being
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a friend to Blake and it's turned into something bigger than she ever expected. She never thought
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private messages would become public. Well, before you sent those congratulation messages to Ryan and
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Blake when that article hit the New York Times and forwarding the article where Justin Baldoni was
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fired from WME, you should have thought about that, Taylor, that those messages could become public
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because now you knew that Blake Lively was suing Justin Baldoni and that means discovery. So she should
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have thought about this a little bit earlier. It ends her saying that Taylor is just trying to stay away
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from the drama like everyone else, I guess. She doesn't want to be a part of it. No one wants to
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be a part of this drama, but you can only blame one person for that and that is Blake. Anyways, let's
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get into this really long voicemail that was released yesterday. I listened to it and I was like, oh my god,
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I hate when people send long voicemail messages myself. And you know that Blake Lively identifies as a
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storyteller and that's what she's doing here as well. I am going to let you listen to the entire
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message. Warning beforehand, it's four and a half minutes long, so you can fast forward as well to hear about
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my reactions afterwards if you feel that it is a little bit boring. But keep in mind, she sent this on
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February 8th of 2023 at 9.15 at night. And this is a voice memo she sent to Justin Baldoni asking him to move
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the production of the film because she wanted him and all the other people involved in the movie to
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adjust to her schedule so she could spend more time with Ryan, her husband. But most importantly,
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she's saying that she would prefer if they started shooting the film in September and not in May because
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she didn't feel like her body was the way she wanted it to be. She just had her fourth baby
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and she wanted to lose more weight. So here is Blake's word salad.
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Hey, I hope you're so well. Just wanted to connect just to put something on your radar.
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So between us, like this is so premature for me to even share this with you. All good,
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all good stuff. Headline is great, good, great stuff. But I was talking to Ryan and I was like,
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I don't know if we should share this, but he was like, you guys have such a great trust,
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you know, fill them in. But basically I, you know, the movie I'm doing before Proxy,
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I sat down with the director and he was great and so lovely and I'm so excited to work with him. And,
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you know, we were just talking about how we have very little time to prep and, you know,
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it's a lot of work. And he was like, I just, is there any way you can get the other movie to push?
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Like, I just feel like I need more time. And I was like, that's just, that ship is so sailed. And,
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you know, and I've been, you know, really, really under it. I don't talk to him like I talked to
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you. So I haven't told him like how stressed I've been with not having a baby nurse. Still don't have
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one, by the way. I found someone and she was only available for like five days. But anyway,
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still not a baby nurse. Just the idea of going back to work right away. And also the idea of like,
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you know, prepping for our movie and like wanting to work out every day and all that. But yet being on
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set all day, every day, I'm like, what have I done? Like the only reason that I'm doing proxy
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before is because I gave them my word and I wouldn't go back on that and felt like I had to
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make it work. But like having a week off in between, it's just a lot. It's a lot. And the closer the
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reality gets, the more I'm just like panicking about that because I'd really like to just focus
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on our movie. So anyway, when I saw that he was asking for more time, I was just like,
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I have a crazy idea, but like, what if, um, what if we went in September? Um, like I'll do this movie
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with you, but like, I just feel like I need more time before I go back to work and I need more,
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like, you know, shooting in April, shooting in March is just too soon after having a baby and not
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sleeping and wanting to be in my best shape and all that. So anyway, um, I'm trying to work on that.
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I think that's a possibility. Um, so I just wanted to let you know that like, in case you wanted to
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go a couple of weeks earlier, um, you're welcome to, and obviously there's selfish reasons I'm
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telling you this. Like, I know that our schedules are scheduled. I'm not trying to move anything,
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but like, if by chance you're like, Oh my God, if I could go two weeks earlier, that would actually
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be great. Then amazing. And if it is what it is, then it is what it is. Um, but, um, selfishly,
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what I would love about that is that, you know, Ryan and I have also been really stressed about
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spending a month apart and, you know, I just, so not, none of it's your problem. That's why I'm
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talking to you as a friend at this point more than anything, but the idea of spending all of June
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apart is just a lot. And we, the most we've ever done is, is less than two weeks. Um, so our girls
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get out of school. I think I mentioned to you on June 16th, we were going to originally go to London
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and June 17th. Um, but now I think with our schedule, we're not done until like June 29th
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or so. Um, so, you know, selfishly, if we could go a couple of weeks earlier, I, we can't stick
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to our original plan and leave for London right after the girls get out of school. Um, which
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would be amazing. And maybe that's like nicer for you, or maybe you're like, why are you saying
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this? This is like horrifying that you're mentioning us starting two weeks earlier. Um, but anyway,
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I just wanted to mention it, but I just, you know, having until the beginning of May is
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really important to me because I just, I don't feel like I could pull it off any sooner than
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that. And I was really stressed. So, um, I think that I can gracefully make this shift
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happen. Um, because our director feels aligned with it. It's something that I could have done
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selfishly, but anyway, I told you in four minutes what I could have told you in 30 seconds,
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but, um, please again, keep us between us because as of now, this movie is still shooting
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in six weeks, five weeks, whenever it is, I think it's six weeks. Um, so nothing has
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changed, but I just sort of wanted to get your temperature on, on all that. Um, okay, cool.
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So nice talking to you. I not talking to you. This is so sad. This is my social interaction
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these days, just talking into voice memos. Um, okay. I hope you're well. Send my love to your
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family who don't know me. Take care. Bye. Yes. Her voice is vulnerable. It's intimate. She's saying,
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you know, I talk to you as a friend. This has to stay between us. And she's talking about this
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other director that she doesn't talk to the same way she talks to Justin. This, she talks about this
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movie called proxy that she was supposed to do, but that never happened for some reason.
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But this voice memo is also about how she's going to work around the schedule for both of these
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movies. She keeps talking about how she is working out, how she's working so hard to get back into
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shape again. These are heard her words, and it really explains her insecurities about her body.
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I completely understand that. I think all women understand that. But the fact that she blamed
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Justin for all of this, which I'll talk a lot about later on in this episode, that is where the
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problem is. Because this is all pressure that she is putting on herself. Justin never put any pressure
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on her losing weight. And we have evidence of that. We have text messages between the two of them
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showing that Justin was only supportive of her and said, you know, you look amazing. You look great.
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Don't worry about anything. And this voice memo only adds more evidence to the fact that Blake
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Lively has a lot of body insecurities. And a lot of people pointed that out as well when it came to
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the wardrobe that she chose for It Ends With Us. She was wearing a lot of big and baggy clothes to hide
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her body. And a lot of people didn't like the look on that wardrobe. And she got a lot of backlash from
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it. And of course, she also blamed the Wayfair parties for that backlash. So her body insecurities
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wasn't only about showing skin in some of those intimate scenes. It was also about hiding her entire
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body throughout this movie by wearing a lot of big clothes. As you know, Justin Baldoni went to her
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trainer and asked for her weight because he has a back issue. And that became a huge deal because Don
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Saladino was also Blake Lively's trainer. She was actually the one who recommended him to Justin.
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And when Justin asked him about Blake's weight, then the first thing Don Saladino did was call
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Blake Lively and tell her about it. And then Blake told Ryan about it. And then, as you know,
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he invited Justin Baldoni to a meeting at their penthouse where he yelled at him for fat shaming
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his wife. Taylor Swift was there. Hugh Jackman was there. And then later, Ryan leaked that to the
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media. And TMZ did a big story on how Justin Baldoni had fat shamed Blake Lively. I found this on
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Reddit a really great timeline of the fat shaming, which I'm going to read quickly through to you so you
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guys understand and can follow me here. So in January of 2023, Blake and Justin seem to have a good
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relationship to begin with. Blake likes Justin Baldoni's social media posts and Ryan and Justin
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exchange mutual pleasantries. You know, they sent messages back and forth to each other.
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Everything was just lovey-dovey between all of them. Then on January 23rd, Justin connects with
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Don Saladino, the personal trainer that Blake Lively recommended to him. On February 8th,
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Blake sends his voice notes and expresses multiple times how stressed she is about weight. This voice
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note that you just heard. On February 17th, Blake texts again about her weight insecurities. We know
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she hates being the tall big girl and has spoken about this before, which I'll also get into later on.
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We know Justin says, just focus on my body. Blake asked Justin to move shooting intimate scenes
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towards the end of the schedule. Justin declines this. It's really hard to just like move everything
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around. There's a lot of people involved in a movie and Justin said that I'll try my best to make that
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happen, but I can't promise you anything. Then on March 29, Blake Lively has streps and Justin sends
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her to his friend who Blake later categorizes as a weight loss specialist and says Justin shamed her.
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Blake creates narrative. How can he be feminist if this is what he's doing? And they're adding here
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narcissistic injury number one. So Justin told Blake that, you know, I have this health specialist that
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I work with a lot and she's going to help you get over your streps. And then Blake said, oh, well,
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I found out that this person is a weight loss expert and that's why he did that. It's fat shaming,
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blah, blah, blah. Anyways, on April 12 of 2023, everything goes to shit sometime here. This person
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is saying by this date, she starts trashing Justin behind the scenes, making fun of him as writer. And
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when Justin then does not want to accept Ryan's scene, they go full crazy on him. So Justin didn't
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like the rooftop scene at first. And then, of course, that didn't end well, as you know.
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And on April 22, Justin asked Don Saladino, the personal trainer, about her weight. This is a big
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one. She mentioned it to all her famous friends. You know, she put this in text messages to, amongst
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others, Matt Damon. And it says here that this is narcissistic injury number two. May 16,
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Baldoni approached Lylee in her trailer to discuss necessary wardrobe adjustments. So this is after
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she got so much backlash for the wardrobe that she chose because there was a complete different
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wardrobe department that she just got rid of and did her own stuff. And she got so much backlash when
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paparazzis took pictures of her and started sharing photos of the wardrobe online. And they say here that
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it is obvious that Blake wore a lot of oversight stuff to hide her body. So she took issue with
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this for sure. Narcissistic injury three, it says here. And then the last point, Justin and Ange went
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to add more intimate scenes. Blake takes this as being harassed. She needs this movie to be PG-13.
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She does not want to show more of her body. Justin asked for camera to focus more on his body to put
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her at ease. She takes it as another proof that he is fat shaming her. So there you go. There is the
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whole history of fat shaming. Anyways, I wanted to read some text messages between Blake and Justin
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and other people here so you understand where this is all coming from. So Blake Lively is sending to
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Justin. This is on the 17th of February of 2023. She's saying kicking ass, but it's still a ton of work
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with not a ton of time. What's the chances we can do body scenes at the end of the schedule? And just
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in response to her, I want you to know you will look amazing. Anything you are insecure about, we will
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talk through and get through creative together and make you comfortable. I just don't want you to stress
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about your body. It's the last thing you need. As soon as I have a rough schedule that's even remotely
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accurate, I'll share it and I'll make sure the team keeps this in mind as well. Could you send a nicer
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message to that? That's to someone that feels insecure about their bodies. Justin puts zero pressure
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on her. Then we have another interesting conversation between Blake Lively and Warren Zavala, her agent at
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WME. She's sending him this the same day and she's saying, also I asked Justin Baldoni today, but I need
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their help in boarding the movie so that the body stuff lasts to shoot. So again, she's saying here
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that she wants the body scenes to be the last to shoot because she wants to be able to lose more
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weight. I'm working my ass off, she says, literally working out twice a day, four hours a day, which is
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insane. But I am treating it like my full time job. It's also part of why I wanted Proxy to push that
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other movie that she mentioned in that voice memo to give me time to focus on that. But I just had a
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baby and no matter how hard I work, it's a lot to accomplish. It's not a lot of time and I want to set
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us all up for success. The sexiness in the film and the marketing, I'm sure it's critical to its success.
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Blake says the sexiness of the movie is critical to the success. But don't tell her that her wardrobe
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is sexy. And let's see what Blake Lively sent Justin the next day. She's saying in this text,
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thank you for your voice memo. It's deeply appreciated. You are everything you promised to
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be as a collaborator. Thank you. I know my job here and this piece is a big part of my job. We both
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understand the assignments as actors in roles, but also as producers and also as marketers. We
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understand artistically, yes, but we get what we need to do in all aspects for this movie commercially.
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As woke as we both are and work to be, this movie requires a certain aesthetics. It's part of the job
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that we both excited, excitedly signed up for. She says, as much as I'd love to not think about it,
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that would be irresponsible and also impossible because it's unrealistic to not acknowledge
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what I need to do. I just need as much time as possible because I just had my fourth baby. I
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understand that you'll never personally know all the nuances of the challenges unless you live this
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physical moment in time. I'm in with this physical road ahead. So having you understand and support to
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help me pull this off is critical and very, very appreciated. Not just in my experience now,
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but also healing from experiences past. So thank you. Then I found this also on Reddit, a picture
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of Blake Lively and her trainer, Don Saladino. And he gave a quote to People Magazine saying,
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she's not doing this triple session workouts. It should encourage people. Here's a woman who had a
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baby in December and she's got her bikini body back already. That's pretty spectacular. So he is showing
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off her new body and her midsection here to show how much weight she has lost. And they're really
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promoting that, which I also think if she's trying to be so woke, she shouldn't be doing things like
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that because that puts pressure on other women. And we've seen a lot of backlash from other celebrities
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doing similar things, showing off their after birth or after baby bodies. And it's not achievable for
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most people because most people can't take the time out of their day to work out for four hours when,
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especially when they have four children. Anyways, another thing that she got backlash for when she
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was promoting It Ends With Us, when old interviews of her, including mine, started to pop up again,
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is this interview she did with Allure back in 2009. I could not find the original interview. I don't know
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if they got this removed. Her quote was picked up by New York Magazine and it's still there. And she
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said, I feel like a tranny a lot of the time. That's what she got heat for saying. I don't know. I'm
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large. They put me in six inch heels and I tower over every man. I've got this long hair and lots of
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clothes and makeup on. I just feel really big a lot of the time. And I'm surrounded by a lot of tiny
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people. I feel like a man sometimes. I can actually relate to her saying that because I am the same
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height as Blake. I'm also five foot ten. And sometimes you can feel very tall. And especially
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in this town, a lot of people in Hollywood are very tiny and they're very skinny and it makes you feel
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big. But the point is she struggled with body insecurities even before she had children. So this is
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something that has followed her for a long time. And if you followed me for a long time, you might
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remember that I spoke to a person who used to be an editor of a big fashion magazine in the US.
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And he told me that every time they had a photo shoot with Blake Lively, and this was known in the
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industry, you had to cut off all the size tags of the clothing because she refused to try anything on
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if it was oversized too. So again, this is nothing new. It is something she struggled with her entire
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career. Anyways, after that voice memo that I played for you, a couple of weeks later, Ryan Reynolds
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texted Justin Baldoni to put a little more pressure on him. He wrote this really long text response to
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Justin who reached out to him first. And he said, I just have to read some of this. He said that you
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hit the jackpot with Bea Blake. She literally passes on every film and every filmmaker all the time.
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That's why she's not working most of the time, obviously. But one thing I know, and I speak from
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a deep wellsprings of experience here, having her in your court behind the scenes as a creative is
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invaluable. I'm certain redacted would say the same. Some of the greatest creatives decision I've made
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are in fact, Blake. I mean, he's talking for his wife all the time. And then he's pretending that he's
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supporting women. He's not doing that here. He is acting like his wife is a damsel in distress.
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And he's saying here that I understand that it means to me personally to have my family reunited
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as soon as possible. Nothing means more to me either. Blah, blah, blah. Can you please move the
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chute so my family can be together? It's nothing like, oh, Justin, I know you also have a family.
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You also have two children that you probably want to spend time with. But it's all about us. Remember that
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it's not about you. And then he ends this message like this. All that to say, I'd love to have your
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line producer's face tattooed to my perineum. If he, she, they can figure out how to start a few
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weeks later. Completely understand how big of an ask that is. But the perineum is one of the most
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nervy parts of the human body to expose to trauma. So I had to Google where this place is. And it's in a
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very intimate place between a person's legs. And Ryan used this word and said that he would tattoo
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the face of the line producer in that intimate place on his body. That's okay. But to share that
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you're circumcised? Oh no, you can't do that. That is traumatizing for people. So again, this double
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standard. Anyways, before I end this episode, I wanted to go through this note from Anj Genetti
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over at Sony. So, you know, a lot of Blake Lively's claims against Justin are that he was sexualizing
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her and that he had comments about her outfits and using the word sexy, which was terrible.
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So keep that in mind. And this message, these were notes from Anj Genetti at Sony on the script. So the
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script was written by Christy Hall, someone who also have been dragged into that saying that she wanted
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to direct the movie because she's a woman she should have. I don't know. So much to talk about
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there. But so she is writing this as a note on the script. And she's saying, Justin, I'm very pleased.
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Really wonderful work. Thank you. And please thank Blake. The character work is especially good,
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more interesting, layered, richer and modern. My notes are all mostly page notes, which are written
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on the draft. Happy to discuss if you disagree or if anything is confusing. The bigger question is,
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other than language, this does not read like an R-rated movie. You know, it was supposed to be
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R-rated. Blake made it PG-13 instead, but it was supposed to be an R-rated movie because it is a movie
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about adult things. And that was the plan from the beginning. Readers of the book, the biggest book of
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last year, are expecting some heat in capital letters. We just cannot have an R-rating for language.
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That would be a huge mistake. So they would just make this movie R-rated because they said some
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certain words in there. And Angie said, no, we don't, we're not going to make this R-rated just because
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of that. We need some more heat in this film. We need to be, we need to take it up a notch. And she's
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saying, I'm guessing the love scenes are still in process and have not been choreographed, choreographed
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yet. Ultimately, that will be up to you and Blake to decide the specifics. I'm hoping they're sexy
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and grown up. I know they will be tasteful, but I'm asking you to also think about moments that are
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outside the actual bedroom. Moments that feel grown up and sexy. So we deliver for an audience that is
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expecting an R-rated movie. So you will tell me the plan for the lovemaking scenes when you know,
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but please work to find the balance between sweet, funny, and daring with moments of real
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heat. She's again saying heat. Not only for the audience, but also when the movie transitions into
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the abuse section, it doesn't feel like we switch from a rom-com into a drama. Very grateful to you
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and for you. And it's so funny that she says that because that's exactly how I felt when I watched
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the movie. First, I thought I was watching a rom-com movie. And then all of a sudden I was like,
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what? What am I watching now? This is a completely different movie inside the movie. And it was really
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confusing. And also one of the things that I noticed because the movie came up on my Netflix
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the other day and I was like, I'm going to rewatch some of this now to see what I feel about it.
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And if I can see anything here that I didn't notice when I watched it like two years ago,
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and I noticed how childish and immature some of the dialogue was, especially when Ryle or Justin
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Baldoni came up to Blake Lively at this party and he was like, I like you. And she said, what,
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are you like five? And I was like, who says that? That is definitely something that Blake Lively added.
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She added so much to the script. Every single day she added ridiculous things to the script.
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And a lot of it made her character very unlikable. Because when I watched it now,
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even like trying to put my feelings about Blake Lively to the side, when I watched her character,
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I was like, why on earth would Ryle fall for her? Because she is not very likable. She's just like
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this selfish, narcissistic person who happens to fall in love with the wrong person. But there's
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nothing about her character that makes me want to sympathize with her. Anyways, the important thing
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here is this is from Sony. Sony asked Justin specifically to heat up the movie, to put the
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heat up, to make it more sexy, to make it more hot, to make it more R-rated. And those are the things
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that Blake Lively is doing Justin Baldoni for. Anyways, that's it for me today, you guys. I hope you
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