00:14:10.060So we have like sort of a, you know, a black silhouette as the guy's talking.
00:14:14.680And then we have someone who wore a mask and then we have someone who we blacked out their face.
00:14:17.620So it was all kinds of various, you know, security things that made some of them feel more comfortable.
00:14:22.840But I'll be honest, it was, it was interesting because I talked, there were, there were probably another five crew members that I spoke to.
00:14:28.140that wouldn't go on record um and uh it was frustrating but at the same time i was grateful
00:14:33.980for them at least tell me stuff so i could feel like i was you know finding the truth and sort of
00:14:40.060speak on it more you know educated more educated on what actually happened because a lot of these
00:14:44.700people just were they were clearly not aligned with justin or blake they were just there working
00:14:49.340right and they they were all shocked by that lawsuit like all of them like what and to hear
00:14:54.220them talk about what the set was really like and and sort of their feelings on blake what happened
00:14:58.340it is pretty eye-opening i think and then we try to package that with the text messages and like
00:15:03.360the timeline and we really try to like the documentary is really built for people who don't
00:15:07.400know the case because i want them to learn what really happened right the the people on our
00:15:12.540channels are they're going to be the first to watch and i'm grateful for them don't get me wrong
00:15:15.800but they know this story there's not a lot of stuff they don't know but my goal was like how
00:15:20.620do we really definitively try to prove it right and tell it based on the people who were there
00:15:24.340and so being that honest and transparent from the beginning um we had her come out in the show
00:15:29.460actually she's she did it but jackie the editor like she that was the toughest one and she was
00:15:34.200really one of the most important ones because she reveals a lot and she didn't speak to anybody
00:15:37.980she still hasn't and she did not want to be in that charity it was like it was she was like i
00:15:43.140do not want to be on camera this makes me feel uncomfortable we did a whole actual the same time
00:15:47.340i came to interview you in la i did one with her and it took a while because she's just so she's
00:15:52.580not media trained she doesn't know what to talk and she was just nervous and um and so we filmed
00:15:57.640that it was it was useful but i could just tell like it wasn't as good as it could be and then
00:16:01.960luckily because we took our time and we had more time she did get more confident she saw more stuff
00:16:06.700come out and she got more pissed right as she was seeing more of these texts and things so she did
00:16:11.380it again and we got to sit down with her and we got even she was able to get and show more um so
00:16:16.220it just honestly i would say that how we did it was we took our time because we had the time to
00:16:20.500take we were able to work with them and make them feel more comfortable to trust us when the subpoena
00:16:25.240happened it definitely i think it did make a lot of other crew people who were on the fence of
00:16:30.100joining us didn't want to join me which was really i think was part of blake and ryan's plan
00:16:35.200um the more i think about it and so that that made things tougher but then when we didn't give
00:16:40.420in and we fought it i think they all saw okay well this guy i think long term hopefully that
00:16:44.700helps me too of like i'm not going to give in i'll i would have gone to jail honestly i was ready to
00:16:50.360go i told my wife i'm like i'll i'll go to jail to protect the sources if i have to um just because
00:16:55.760what i knew was happening was so wrong and what was frustrating was like they they had the
00:17:00.220correspondence like it's out there like the correspondence i had was you know blake's team
00:17:05.920had it already so they were just coming at me to harass me they didn't really actually there
00:17:09.880wasn't anything else to get from me that they didn't already have and that was i think the most
00:17:13.460scary part of it all. But what happened to your subpoena, by the way, in the end? Because I
00:17:18.740remember you were fighting and fighting it. And then, of course, when they settled, did that
00:17:21.760automatically was that automatically tossed out when they settled? Yeah, it was. OK, so and that
00:17:28.580didn't happen until they settled. Correct. We were still waiting for we were waiting for the local
00:17:33.700Tampa judge to basically approve the appeal. We had already filed the appeal, but then, you know,
00:17:39.080we everyone on Reddit got me all nervous and I we didn't need to do it. But we I did agree with
00:17:44.040like Blake sucks. I don't want anything to even remotely be off. So my lawyer said, fine, we can0.98
00:17:49.880go back just to be extra safe. We went back and sort of did it to the local judge. And we were
00:17:53.480basically waiting for him to sort of stamp it so we could take it to the 11th circuit. And we were
00:17:59.180prepared to go all the way to the Supreme Court. But I think that Florida judge wisely was just
00:18:03.620waiting because he knew this doesn't go to trial. It's not going anywhere. But you know, I'm so
00:18:08.780surprised that all these judges, because there were different judges with you and then with Perez
00:18:15.560in Las Vegas, and I'm guessing with Candace, wherever she is, you know, there were different0.63
00:18:21.860judges on all these subpoenas. Why wasn't this automatically being tossed out? I was really
00:18:27.060surprised that we all had to actually fight them. You, of course, had to fight much more because
00:18:31.720you got a broader subpoena. But I was so surprised that that wasn't just an automatic thing, that
00:18:37.560people are put in these positions where they have to actually hire lawyers. That was new to me,
00:18:44.080being like European and kind of naive in some ways. I was like, wow.1.00
00:18:48.940No, trust me, it was new to me because I showed up and we didn't provide anything because we
00:18:54.120didn't like, well, I'm not providing anything. This is clearly journalistic privilege.
00:18:57.620Yeah. Now looking back at it, because I remember I was there in Spain when you texted me like,
00:19:01.720are you being subpoenaed? And I was like, no. And then I was looking at my email. I was like,
00:19:06.060I am being subpoenaed. And then you call them and then they were like, no denying it. No,
00:19:11.260we're not subpoenaed. We don't know what you're talking about. It feels like such a long time
00:19:15.940ago. And it is over a year ago, actually. And now looking back, and that's what I was thinking when
00:19:21.480you were saying that the documentary is mostly for people who doesn't know, but there's so many
00:19:26.800things that we've forgotten about and then i see popping up again and i'm like oh i remember that
00:19:33.560happened and that text message and all those little details that we've forgotten about now
00:19:39.380because it's been like almost two years now so i think that's part of the struggle the doc as you
00:19:44.960could imagine why it took so long because there's so many stories to tell and i'm just like like
00:19:48.920even my like you bring that up i don't even think the last cut of the episode four has the phone
00:19:53.240call which was supposed to have it but then i kind of like do i need that is that really important
00:19:57.720it's not about me but that is kind of an interesting it's so there's a lot of that
00:20:00.960happening like the prez hilton of it is all a whole fast like yeah i didn't realize i now have
00:20:05.300like the last interview he did and uh he said a lot of really revealing stuff and i didn't get
00:20:09.820to use it all right he talked i could do a whole doc about his whole subpoena in itself even your
00:20:14.340issue and what happened to you i have so much more on the floor with you and and uh magnus i love
00:20:19.020that he was so good and like even just the way magnus was telling what was happening to you made
00:20:23.100it's so much more effective no offense but like we got to see from you know the person who's with
00:20:27.180you like how it was taking a toll like i could do a whole documentary on you at this point with
00:20:31.540what i have but i had to cut a lot of that stuff out to make the choices to like sort of just tell
00:20:35.760the broader story and you know that a lot of people are like no andy make it 10 hours long
00:20:40.640and i'm like no the audience will get bored well now you have all the other yeah but now you have
00:20:46.100all that extra material too that you yeah we may put it on the website i think i'm trying to piece
00:20:49.900them in for the website so they'll get more like the on the extended interviews and stuff so you
00:20:54.340can get some of that for people who really want to dig deeper they can can you say anything from
00:20:59.400this doc that we can especially look forward to is there something that you feel people are going
00:21:06.420to be like whoa I don't want to over promise it no I don't for your viewers and my viewers who
00:21:12.640know this case backwards and forwards I don't think there's like a smoking gun thing to be
00:21:17.240like oh my god andy found this out but i think uh particularly episode three and episode four
00:21:23.520that's where we you'll get stuff you haven't heard yet just from crew we had adam who you had on but
00:21:29.460adam gave us like a three-hour interview which so much stuff we got from him he's he has so much
00:21:35.660intel um and uh like just even knowing that he was there during the dragon text like and him
00:21:41.720explaining what just like what were they thinking as that text comes in like we had him break down
00:21:46.560a lot of those moments that we didn't really have anybody else who could tell us who was actually
00:21:50.300watching it right so his perspective became such a big part of it um post-production interesting
00:21:55.720through jackie you get a lot more from her than we did in the youtube interview and then we did
00:22:00.120brian did an interview uh he gave some interesting stuff um and uh the other interesting thing is0.68
00:22:06.500blake refused like we tried i tried so hard to get blake's team i tried to get x moron
00:22:14.120trying to get everybody like please i want to hear the other side of this like i'm giving you
00:22:18.220an opportunity let's hear it and they no one would do it everyone was afraid but blake's team
00:22:23.240has ignored like six attempts to try to get them to give us something and i just think it's going
00:22:28.760to make them look so much worse and that was not ever my goal i really wanted to try to tell it
00:22:33.280neutrally there was there was a feedback i got in episode one where it like and some might think it
00:22:37.800too but then we did it we made an adjustment to help but episode one kind of ends negatively on
00:22:42.260justin because like instilling the story like i want people to realize what he was put through
00:22:48.240right of like what actually happened to him and if you really tell the story he was destroyed at
00:22:53.080the end of that oh my god he's you know essayed her but some people thought and he might have
00:22:57.300said on this and that and so episode one leaves with sort of that what what but then i found a
00:23:02.600way to like uh donna had a really good quote that's sort of but then i heard his story and
00:23:06.940that's we at least at least keeps it a little bit more open-ended in case someone gets bored
00:23:10.780i don't want them to think wait justin was the bad guy but as you tell the story of this story
00:23:14.940like it's a very intense story and i want it i want people to really remember all of it like
00:23:20.340the the version of the summer that we actually experienced version then what this sort of new
00:23:25.780version that blake was trying to tell yet in order to tell that story you got to lay out all
00:23:29.600the facts in order and so we do try to really go uh in order and so i think if something i'll look
00:23:35.520forward to the crew obviously to answer your question sorry that was a longer answer than
00:23:38.040you asked for but also i just think like you said i think people will enjoy the recap in a way to
00:23:43.240sort of see it all organized the way we did to really reaffirm and remind how crazy this was i
00:23:48.880think really is something that uh hopefully i think people will be excited about and i'm proud
00:23:52.620that we were able to keep have a keepsake of what happened something i wish i'd done so much
00:23:57.600during the depth trial because i see they're already rewriting that history that depth was
00:24:01.800the abuser yeah and it's like i wish i could be like it's hard for me to go watch all the hours
00:24:06.560of my content during that phase no but this i'll go say oh that justin thing watch it ends with
00:24:11.840justice you'll get a really good sense of what actually happened it's a documentary with teeth
00:24:16.060that's the tagline and and shares to you i'll be able to give you one of these when you get there
00:24:19.500the never with teeth pin all our vips are going to get these and uh i'm proud of these this is
00:24:25.300something like never with teeth i'll bring you a congrats on your little bump shirt oh yes thank