WOW, Nothing Makes Sense !!!
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Justin Baldoni and the other parties were back in court yesterday to discuss another settlement between his publicists, Stephanie Jones and Jennifer Abel. There are so many parallel lawsuits here, it s really confusing for a lot of people if you haven t followed this case really closely. Anyways, it didn t look like they came up with any solutions yesterday either. And yesterday there was a funny story in the New York Post pointing out how entitled Blake Lively was and how bored she allegedly was in the settlement meeting.
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So now she is standing in the other deposition.
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She was sitting down breastfeeding. This is quite interesting.
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Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk. I'm Jashti Flore, journalist, Hollywood truth teller, and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.
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Happy Friday, everyone. I am wearing my florals, or one big flower actually, today.
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I felt like wearing something bright, and tomorrow is Valentine's Day, and I guess this is kind of a Valentine's Day color.
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As you know, this week there was a settlement meeting, and the two parties did not come up with any resolution.
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No settlement was agreed on, and yesterday Justin Baldoni and the other parties were back in court to discuss another settlement between his publicists, Stephanie Jones and Jennifer Abel.
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It's really confusing for a lot of people if you haven't followed this case really closely.
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Anyways, it didn't look like they came out with any solutions yesterday either, but a lot of media outlets have been reporting on this, obviously.
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And yesterday there was a funny story in the New York Post pointing out how entitled Blake Lively was and how bored she allegedly was while she was in the settlement meeting.
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Also, I wanted to go through some more of the evidence that was unsealed.
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There's some really fascinating stuff here that's coming out from Justin Baldoni's side.
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First of all, there is a TikTok video that he attached as his evidence against Blake, showing a woman, warning everyone to talk bad about Blake Lively, saying that news will soon come out that all the women in this movie, it ends with us, were all victims.
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Also, we have to talk about this trailer incident.
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When Blake Lively accused Jamie Heese of walking into her trailer when she was barely dressed and accusing him of looking at her.
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So now we have four different depositions and four very different stories here.
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I will read from all of these depositions for you so you can see how none of this really adds up.
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And it was funny this morning, I was doing my daily research online to see what the media was saying about this case.
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And I saw this story in Marie Claire saying the reason Ryan Reynolds was absent from Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni's settlement hearing.
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And I was scrolling down and I was like, oh, that's me.
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So I went to their sites to get information about this case.
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And then I found my own information there, which was quite funny.
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So they're basically quoting me and they added my Instagram reel as well and used to save maternity as I had in my episode as their source.
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Anyways, I was glad to see that Marie Claire did a balanced reporting here.
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So let's look into this New York Post article from yesterday saying that Blake Lively had her chauffeur bring her Mahongset to court.
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So apparently, according to New York Post, she was bored and probably texted her chauffeur saying, hey, bring me my Mahongset.
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She's been promoting this game for a long time on her social media.
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She's been talking about it on Instagram as well.
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But this is how New York Post is reporting on it, saying, talk about feeling entitled.
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Blake Lively had her chauffeur fetch her prize in Mahongset and bring it to her in court on Wednesday.
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And we hear that Lively, likely doing some waiting while a judge went back and forth between her team and Baldoni's,
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had grown wary of the wheels of justice turning slowly and called for her diversions.
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We told her driver showed up at the door of the Daniel Patrick Mannion courthouse with the centuries-old Chinese tile game in hand.
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I didn't know you could actually play that by yourself, or maybe she was playing it with some of her assistants or whoever was there with her.
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But anyways, it's funny to me that they actually reported on that and they're calling her entitled.
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I showed a video yesterday from Blake arriving at court.
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And as I said then, it's interesting how even traditional media is reporting on this.
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They are pointing out how much her designer, a Chanel designer bag costs and how much her Louboutin boots costs.
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If she was a real victim, would they really do that?
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Would you point out the value of what she's wearing?
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And as contrast to these other victims that we hear about now in the e-files,
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why would you wear all these very recognizable designer items to court?
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I don't know, let me know what you think about that.
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Anyways, let's go get to this TikTok video, which when the first time I saw it, I was like,
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oh, I think I've seen something similar like this.
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But this specific video is something that Justin Baldoni added as his evidence.
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So this woman is trying to warn other content creators or other people in general to talk badly about Blake.
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Hi guys, I, um, there's something happening behind the scenes that I can't talk about because there's investigations happening.
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All I can say is that the women of this movie are victims.
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And, um, if you know of anything, please DM me, um, reach out.
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I, I want as much information as possible to hand over.
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And everything that you think is happening, it's the opposite.
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I'm working with other people now because it is way bigger story than you'd ever think.
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Who leaked this false information to this content creator?
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There's a lot of misinformation out there right now.
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The big narrative for all the Blake Lively supporters are that there were nine women involved
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and that all these nine women were victims of Justin Baldoni and Jamie Heath.
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Amongst these women are, for example, Leslie Sloan, Blake Lively's publicist.
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And Claire Ayub, this woman who had nothing to do with this production as well.
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The only people on that list of these nine women that actually felt uncomfortable in a
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I don't count Isabella Ferrer because she changed her story so much that I don't think
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she's a very reliable witness because she was so excited to work with Justin at first
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So where are all these false narratives coming from?
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Who's feeding this information to these content creators?
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As I said so many times, we've seen the text messages that Leslie Sloan sent to journalists.
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And that's why it would not surprise me for a second if they use the same tactics to get
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It's so funny, again, how this shows that everything they're accusing just enough are
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I remember Andy over at Popcorn Planet had a content creator on and she talked about how
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she was contacted with the same information from someone saying, you know, some really bad
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stuff is about to come out about Justin and Jamie.
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So you should remove all the content that you created criticizing Blake because you don't
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Anyways, let's look into this trailer incident again because I was reading all these depositions.
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We have four of them now telling very different stories of what happened that day.
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So now we have Alex Sachs, one of the producers of the movie, who's been kind of supporting
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But then at the same time, we see text messages where she's explaining how horrible Blake is
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We also have Blake's makeup artist, Vivian Baker's deposition.
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She was present in the trailer when they're saying that Jamie came into the trailer when
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And we have the hairstylist, Shelley Ann Carroll, with her version of these events.
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We also have Jamie Heath's own version of what he said happened in this trailer.
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I'm not saying that Jamie Heath is the only person who tells the truth there, but it's
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fascinating to me that everyone remembers this so differently.
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Another important thing we need to keep in mind here is that both Vivian Baker and Shelley
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She keeps hiring the same people on her projects.
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And I remember even Blake reposting their birthday wishes to her last year in August when
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So it wasn't any surprise to me that they would support Blake's version.
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But one of the things that I reacted to here is that if you experience something that makes
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you or people around you feel really uncomfortable, you tend to remember a little bit more about
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what actually happened and where people were positioned when things happened.
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I think it's two and a half years ago, maybe three years ago now.
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So to me, I find it a bit strange that the people that were inside of this trailer remember
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Another thing that I noticed from these depositions before I read them for you that I wanted to
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point out is that none of these women are actually looking at this incident as S.H.
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They are just saying that it was awkward or uncomfortable, but they're not saying that
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And that's important because Blake needs to use this as evidence that she was S.H.ed on
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Also, as you'll hear, some people say that Blake was breastfeeding when he arrived.
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But if she was breastfeeding, I don't know how open she is about breastfeeding her child
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or pumping, but it seemed like she was one of those people who felt comfortable doing
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We remember the response she had to Justin Baldoni when he asked her if they should do
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a rehearsal and she said, yes, you can come to my trailer.
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Funny thing how that text message also, by the way, is twisted by the Blake Lively supporters.
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I found this thread on Reddit the other day that made me laugh so hard.
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So they're now claiming that the reason she said that you can come to my trailer, I'm just
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pumping, is because she had two trailers and one trailer was only for working out with
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I mean, it's funny how they come up with all these excuses for her.
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And if that crazy theory would in any way be near the truth, Blake Lively would have said
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OK, so let's hear how these stories are not adding up.
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Okay, so let's get into these juicy depositions.
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So let's look first at how Alex Sacks, the producer, explained what happened in the trailer.
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Do you recall Miss Lively sharing with you that Mr. Heath had barged into her trailer while she was undressed?
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Do you recall Miss Lively sharing whether she had clothes on at the time?
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But if I'm saying she was getting body makeup done, then she didn't have clothes on.
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And to you who are understanding, when Miss Lively was getting body makeup done or removed,
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It's interesting because from all of these depositions, it hasn't really been clear yet if she was getting makeup done or removed.
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And she's asked here, do you have a recollection of Miss Lively specifically sharing that she was in some state of undress at the time Mr. Heath came into her trailer uninvited?
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So she was there and this incident, according, as you'll hear soon, according to Blake Lively's makeup artist and hair person,
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they were yelling, don't come in, whoa, whoa, whoa, at the door.
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Alex Sacks was standing outside when this allegedly happened.
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Then they're asking, do you have an understanding why Miss Lively would say, you can come in, but don't look, if she was wearing clothes at the time?
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Alex says, likely because she knew the conversation was important and she was professional and probably wanted to discuss whatever needed to be discussed.
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Did Miss Lively share with you that when Mr. Heath attempted to enter her trailer, she and her team yelled, no, no, no, don't come in?
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I mean, if you're outside a trailer and someone yells, don't come in, I think you remember that.
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And then they're saying, do you recall Miss Lively sharing that Mr. Heath had insisted on having a meeting with her when he entered her trailer?
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I feel like some of these people have very selective memories.
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And she's asked, do you recall Miss Lively conveying that she was uncomfortable with Mr. Heath looking at her while she was getting her makeup undone?
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Miss Giannetti responded to your text with regards to Mr. Heath entering Blake's trailer and said, not good.
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Lawyer is asking, and was it your understanding that Miss Lively was uncomfortable with that?
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So it seems like she's just been told this story secondhand by someone from Blake's team here,
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because she doesn't remember anything else surrounding this episode when she was actually there.
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Did Miss Lively recount this story to you in a way you perceived in a specific way that made you perceive she was uncomfortable?
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So she doesn't recall Blake talking about this incident at all, and it made her uncomfortable.
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But then she just said that she perceived it as she felt uncomfortable.
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Then she's asked, what was your reaction to hearing that Mr. Heath had entered Miss Lively's trailer,
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uninvited, and looked at her while she was getting her makeup done, body makeup done?
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And she says, I would imagine, I don't recall exactly, but I would imagine uncomfortable like I am reading it now.
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You're uncomfortable even reading it, this attorney is saying.
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Okay, so that was the producer of the movie and her version of the story.
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As I said before, Alex Sacks is one of the people on this set that accused Justin of having anger issues,
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because once he was upset when she said that they got the scene and he said, I need to do another shoot.
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And then he slammed his hand on a chair next to her or something like that.
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And she claims that he was aggressive because of that incident.
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But anyways, here is Vivian Baker, who is Blake Lively's makeup artist.
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do you recall whether there was an instance when Mr. Heath entered Miss Lively's hearing makeup trailer without invitation?
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And she says, yes, there was a time that he came to enter and we all, there were myself and Anne.
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The attorney says, and I would like to discuss this situation in a little bit more detail.
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So from your recollection, did Miss Lively say Mr. Heath is coming over to discuss something?
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And do you recall whether there was a knock on the door by Mr. Heath?
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What I remember more specifically is all three of us.
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So there must have been a knock saying, no, don't come in.
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It was quite loud so that they wouldn't come in.
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It was myself and Anne Blake saying it at the same time.
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Miss Lively, and then he's asking Miss Lively herself and Miss Carol all heard a knock
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We're not, you know, like each person participated in the, you know, don't come in.
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And at that point in time, did you know who was at the door?
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So now, apparently here, several people came in.
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And then the attorney is asking, okay, and was Miss Lively, can you describe for me, set
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Miss Lively had come in and removed her clothes and they were handed out the door to costume
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or someone there that they could take the costume.
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And she sat down in the chair and she had the baby.
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And I thought, I think, I'm pretty sure the assistant had left and we began to do our work.
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And then the knock came on the door and we would say, no, no, no, don't come in.
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So she was quite scantily clad because we just removed her costume and we were going to clean
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I mean, I think we are, we were, as, as I said, we are always very cognizant of how
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much, you know, get people off the clock so that they can get a turnaround.
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So I would have been to the right, but facing her.
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And I believe Anne would have been to her left facing at her.
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And so at this point in time, Ms. Lively is wearing underwear, but no other clothing.
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At this point in time, did you have an understanding of who entered the trailer?
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And she says, after they opened the door, we all saw that it was Jamie and there was,
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and Blake said, I don't remember exactly what he said, but I remember her saying, I'll talk
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And I think he said something to the tune of, no, we'll do it now.
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And I have small towels, like, you know, a little small towel that I think that I finally
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just threw over the other breast because he didn't leave the room.
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So that means if she was breastfeeding on one and she had a towel over the other one,
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she didn't have any exposed breast, I'm guessing.
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And was Ms. Lively holding her baby at this point?
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Yes, she was breastfeeding, I believe, at her right breast.
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So she was breastfeeding at her right breast and she had a towel over the other one.
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And did she turn around to speak to Mr. Heath when he entered?
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So at this point in time, had Mr. Heath been asked to leave?
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He was asked to not even come in and then asked to go.
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Like, once you enter into the room and you see that, oh, this is an inappropriate time to be there,
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What happened after Mr. Heath did not leave the trailer?
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I think that they had their whatever their discussion was.
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I became very focused on getting my job done to get her out as quickly as possible.
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So she was more focused on getting her job done than protecting Blake from this very uncomfortable moment.
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And apparently, okay, do you have a recollection of where Mr. Heath was standing for this conversation?
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He was standing at the door with the door still mildly open.
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So the door was probably maybe a foot and he would be obstructing that opening.
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So when she's saying that, I find it weird that since the door was kind of open the entire time,
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that all the other people didn't hear what was going on in there, including Alex Sachs,
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who don't recall or remember anything about this.
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But nonetheless, the door was open, she's saying.
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He didn't come into the room to close the door.
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So now he's just standing in the doorway, talking through the doorway to her.
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And the door remained ajar for the entirety of the discussion?
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Okay, and did Ms. Lively ask Mr. Heath to face any given direction during the course of their conversation?
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It was an uncomfortable situation and I focused on what I needed to do to help to get her in a state that she can leave, finish up my job.
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And then she's asked, do you recall that what direction he was facing?
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So the door would be partly behind him and he would be able to look at her through the mirror.
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And do you recall whether Mr. Heath in fact looked at Ms. Lively through the mirror?
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I remember him engaging in a conversation, the conversation he wanted to have in that manner.
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Okay, could Mr. Heath see Ms. Lively topless if he looked in the mirror?
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But then she just said that she had her baby over her one breast and a towel over the other one.
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Anyways, and it's your testimony that Mr. Heath was in fact looking in the mirror.
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And then she's asked, did Ms. Lively seem upset with this interaction?
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And she says, at the moment that it was happening, I was aware that it was felt like a violation.
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But, you know, I think that we and myself and Ms. Lively were like, we just, it was just being handled.
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Like we were, let's, let's get this, there was no reaction, so to speak of, you know, no reaction.
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It was just like, let's get this handle so we can get out of this uncomfortable situation
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And then she's asked, and do you recall after the fact discussing the encounter with Ms. Lively or Ms. Carroll?
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After he left, wasn't much of a discussion, but it was certainly, you know, eyes open and mouth dropped.
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I think I said, I've never seen anyone do that before.
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I think that we were all really just in a state of shock.
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We just finished our work and let Blake get out of there.
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So they didn't really talk about it after it happened.
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They were just like, and then they didn't talk more about it.
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Okay, so let's hear what the hair person is saying here.
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She's, I think she goes by Anne, so I'm just going to call her Anne as well.
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So she's asked here, can you describe for me what you recall about the occasion on which
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Mr. Heath arrived to Ms. Lively's hair and makeup trailer?
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She says, we, Blake, was having body makeup done in the trailer by Vivian.
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Now she's getting body makeup done and not undone, by the way.
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We heard the door open and looked and went, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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So at this point when she's telling the story, no one even knocked at the door.
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I had grabbed a cutting cape, which was over my chair, and held it up to try and cover her.
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So she was holding up the cape, trying to cover Blake.
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And at the same time, her makeup artist threw a towel over her other breasts while she was
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And that's when all of that action was happening.
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And she's asked, and then she's asked, did you, did Mr. Heath abide by the protocol of
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knocking on the door that you described earlier today?
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Did Mr. Heath ask for permission to open the door into Ms. Lively's private hair and
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You stated that you, Ms. Lively and Ms. Baker verbally indicated something to the effect
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of, whoa, whoa, whoa, when Mr. Heath was opening the door.
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And did you, Ms. Lively, Mr. Baker, give a loud verbal indication that the trailer was
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If they were speaking so loudly, I find it hard to believe that Alex Zacks didn't hear
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So you had an understanding that Mr. Heath heard you when you said something to the effect
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And did Mr. Heath nevertheless open the door to the hair and makeup trailer?
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Now, at this point in time, where was Ms. Lively situated in the hair and makeup trailer?
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She was towards the far right of the trailer, standing.
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So now she is standing in the other deposition.
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And which direction was Ms. Lively facing when she was standing in the trailer?
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Do you recall what Ms. Lively was wearing at the time?
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I think it's weird that you don't remember if someone is completely nude or if they're
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And why would she be completely nude, by the way?
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Anyways, Ms. Lively's breasts were exposed in that moment.
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And Ms. Lively was generally undressed and unclosed.
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And was that one of the reasons why you and Ms. Carol and Ms. Lively indicated that Mr.
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So they're repeating here, Mr. Heath walked into Ms. Lively's hair and makeup trailer while
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she was unclosed without knocking, without permission, correct?
00:31:12.440
And that was after you and others loudly tried to stop Mr. Heath from entering the trailer?
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And she says, yeah, I don't remember saying don't come in, but we were like, whoa, whoa,
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And where was Mr. Heath standing for the remaining of this time in the trailer?
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And was your back to Mr. Heath because you were standing with a cloth to cover Ms. Lively
00:31:47.740
So for some reason, they cut off her answer there, but then they keep asking about if
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he took, if he could actually see her breasts from where he was standing.
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And they're asking, given your understanding of where Ms. Lively and Mr. Heath were in
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the trailer, if Mr. Heath had looked into the mirror, would he have seen Ms. Lively's
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You can see into different parts of the room through reflection.
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You found the interaction between Mr. Heath and Ms. Lively uncomfortable and strange.
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And why did you feel uncomfortable when he went into the trailer?
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I guess because we had warned him, you know, he was in a state where nobody else should have
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OK, so let's see what Jamie Heath had to say about what happened in the trailer that day.
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So he's asked here, was there an incident in which you were in Ms. Lively's makeup trailer
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along with Ms. Carol and Ms. Baker when she was in a state of undress?
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And he says, I don't know that she was in a state of undress.
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Do you have a specific memory of the incident that Ms. Carol and Ms. Baker and Ms. Lively
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So the four of us, Justin, myself, Ange Giannetti, oh, Ange was also there, and Alex Sacks
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all went to her makeup trailer, the four of us.
00:33:20.040
I knocked, heard some sort of come in, or yes, or some indication that led me to believe
00:33:27.840
So the opposite of what the three witnesses said, this attorney is asking, and he said,
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And the attorney says, I just want to make sure I understand you.
00:33:40.460
They say, they all said, they said no, and you heard yes.
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And then they're talking between the lawyers there, and he's continued to talk, and he's
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He says, so I then knocked, to be clear, with Justin and Ange and Alex with me at the
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I knocked on the door, heard some indication to come in.
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As I took a step up, I saw that she was leaned back.
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She looked what I thought was either maybe breastfeeding or nursing.
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I'm just giving you the facts, and it's up to you to figure out who you trust, what version
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Anyways, he continues to say, now I never saw the front of her.
00:34:33.020
I just saw this which appeared to me a familiar position of her feeding or nursing or pumping.
00:34:37.980
So then I walked over to the side, looked away.
00:34:40.880
We had a two-minute conversation, could have been three, about whether or not we were going
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to have the meeting that night or the next day.
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Because I was worried about the turnaround time, and we would lose money, which is an
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We would lose hours in the next day, which is an implication of money.
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She had to have it tonight, and she would not waive any sort of turnaround time and do
00:35:08.080
So I then left, walked down the stairs out of the makeup trailer where Ange, Justin, and
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I tried to convince her to do it tomorrow, but she wants to do it tonight.
00:35:18.700
She walked out four or five minutes later, greeted us, said hello.
00:35:22.180
We went into her then trailer, and we had a discussion about what she wanted to meet with
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us, and when she came to the trailer for the meeting, did she say anything about what had
00:35:34.680
Did you ever learn that Ms. Lively had a different view of the incident in the trailer prior to
00:35:40.660
I learned that her different view is when I read her CRD complaint.
00:35:45.820
So Blake never complained about this incident before she filed her lawsuit, basically.
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Yes, as you can hear here, there's a lot of different variations of this story, but I
00:35:56.320
think one important thing here is from all these three women who talked about their versions
00:36:01.240
of this story here, yes, as you can hear here, everyone had kind of different versions
00:36:05.740
of this story, and I don't know where the truth lays.
00:36:08.700
That's up to the jury to decide whenever it gets to trial, which I think it will do at
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this point, but I think also when these women, they have to stick to what they said in their
00:36:19.180
depositions if they are witnesses for Blake in court, and if their stories are so different
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And I think also something that I mentioned that if you are in a situation that makes you
00:36:32.220
feel so uncomfortable, I find it a bit strange that you don't remember the fact, whether the
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person was standing or sitting, things like that.
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Anyways, let me know what you think, who's telling the truth here.
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Anyways, that's it for me, you guys, on a Friday.
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I hope you're going to have an amazing weekend.
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