Who is Ethel Cain and why is he posting naked photos of his junk on insta? In this week's episode, we take a deep dive into the story behind the controversial post, and the controversy surrounding it.
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00:00:30.000who is ethel cain and why is instagram showing me his junk like i'm talking full bush and beans
00:00:41.420boy do we have an episode for y'all today a few days ago on instagram i posted a poll and i asked
00:00:48.600you guys if you had seen this instagram post made by singer ethel cain and to my surprise so many
00:00:55.320of you said that it also came up on your feed and you were curious about the lore behind all of
00:01:01.880this. Well, as much as I really did not want to, I did the research and shocker, this is very clearly
00:01:08.620a disturbed person. I'm talking background of trauma and incest and autogynophilia. If you
00:01:15.380don't know what that is, we're going to get into that today. Controversy with Lana Del Rey
00:01:20.380killing CEOs and more, all of which, which led to this nude fetish concoction that showed up on my
00:01:29.480Instagram feed. And a final point I want to make in this very brief introduction is how in the world
00:01:36.720does Meta allow for a post like this to stay up? Pornography, to be very frank with you,
00:01:43.040uh, but censor people like me. Okay. I'm going to do my best to describe the visual that I saw
00:01:52.560on my Instagram. You can picture it now. Innocent little Riley over Easter weekend,
00:01:57.620sitting at home on my couch. I'm just scrolling through Instagram again during Holy Week,
00:02:02.040mind you. And this post pops up from an account with the handled username being mother cane.
00:02:08.620Admittedly, I'd never heard of this person.
00:02:10.620So this person is sitting on a bed wearing like a corset top.
00:02:15.380In the first photo, he's wearing no pants.
00:02:17.920And in the center of this photo, as I described, is a man wearing a corset with his smushed up junk hanging out of the bottom of this corset.
00:02:27.840I almost tripped running to the comment section to see what other people were saying.
00:02:33.380And unsurprisingly, the comment section was filled with virtues signaling social justice warriors who were very quick to affirm Ethel Cain by telling him how beautiful and how brave and iconic and stunning this post was.
00:03:51.160uh, like I said, known for that Southern Gothic style music that includes some pretty dark themes
00:03:57.800like, uh, religious trauma and incest and abuse and substance abuse. He creates like immersive
00:04:05.440narrative driven music, which is something I think someone like Taylor Swift does actually,
00:04:11.860uh, maybe the two aren't overly comparable, but I do think the narrative driven style of music is
00:04:17.260where Swifties, which I'll kind of give some context, I'm not necessarily a Swifty. I think
00:04:24.660it's honestly pretty impressive. The brand, the business that she has been able to build,
00:04:30.100she does have kind of like a cult-like following. I think same thing with Ethel Cain. A lot of that
00:04:35.100is the lyrics that these artists are using. People, listeners feel like they can relate to that. For
00:04:40.380Taylor Swift, that has historically been for breakups, but for Ethel Cain, based on what I've
00:04:45.600been able to see and to listen to. It's kind of like the raw introspective style that really
00:04:51.500resonates with fans dealing with similar themes of identity or faith or Southern roots. I watched
00:04:57.840an interview of why Hayden is his real name. Again, Ethel Kane is a stage name, why he goes
00:05:03.340by that name. He said Ethel is a womanly matronly old American name that feels prim. It feels proper.
00:05:10.600it evokes nostalgia, small town Southern tradition, kind of like a faded old fashioned0.85
00:05:17.620femininity. That's what he was going for by using the name Ethel. Cain, of course, comes straight
00:05:23.700from the Bible, the biblical story of Cain and Abel. This is the firstborn son of Adam and Eve
00:05:30.320who murders his brother and is marked by God to then wander the earth. It perfectly fits0.97
00:05:38.900what he describes as his core themes, which is, again, generational trauma, sin, family betrayal,
00:05:46.360wandering and exile, violence and religious guilt. Hayden describes Ethel Cain, his alter ego,
00:05:53.680his stage name, as the dark evil twin. So he could externalize these heavy personal material,
00:06:01.660things that he's dealt with in his life without having to put it directly on himself. So I guess
00:06:06.800in short, like the name Ethel Cain is like this perfect microcosm of the whole project. So
00:06:13.140old school Southern colliding with biblical curses, violence, and escape. His music and
00:06:20.680aesthetics have been compared to the likes of Lana Del Rey, which there was a big feud there.
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00:07:42.540tell them that Riley Gaines sent you. But actually his debut album in 2022, the album titled
00:07:50.880Preacher's Daughter, it made the billboard charts in April of 2025. It debuted at number 10 on the
00:07:57.960U.S. Billboard 200. Clearly an incredible achievement. This was driven by a vinyl release.
00:08:04.740It made Cain the first trans artist to secure a top 10 album on the Billboard 200, with the album
00:08:12.140also reaching number one on the top album sales chart. More on his family here, he grew up in a
00:08:18.240very conservative Southern Baptist family. His dad was a deacon and a truck driver. Actually, Cain,
00:08:23.980He sang in the church choir. I think in an interview, he said he left the church around age 16.
00:08:28.980So that's kind of the ecosystem that he has created and honestly been successful in, which the success is unsurprising to me.
00:08:36.280I believe when you have someone who is transgender, a trans woman, really a man who identifies as a woman speaking about the difficulty of growing up queer or gender nonconforming in this strictly religious home, southern environment in the state of Florida.
00:08:53.980Young people, I think people a part of the LGBTQ community are drawn to that. I think they view his music as like a cathartic processing of the experiences that he has had, or maybe this fictional character of Ethel Cain, or maybe that they're experiencing in their own lives. So the success isn't really surprising.
00:09:14.280Now, growing up in a conservative household is not looked upon very kindly by Hollywood, especially when some of those old posts and tweets, your old social media activity is resurfaced online. That's exactly what happened last summer. Some old tweets from Cain's teenage years generated lots of controversies. Primarily, these were from, I think, 2017, 2018. He was about 19 or 20 years old at the time.
00:09:42.260I think they were posted initially to like Tumblr or Reddit, but they were amplified on X.
00:09:49.060Some of these posts showed what is described as edgelord behavior.
00:09:54.740It's kind of typical of certain online subcultures, especially at the time, that were dedicated to just receiving attention.
00:10:01.980And what any way, whatever way you could receive attention, whether good, bad, that appears to be what this is.
00:10:07.580You have Cain, who had admitted to using the N-word to racial slurs.
00:10:13.140He made one post mocking Hispanic individuals, saying,
00:10:16.400build that wall, an ode to President Trump.
00:10:18.660He had made several rape jokes and fat-shaming comments.
00:10:22.940Look at the screen here if you're watching on YouTube.com.
00:10:26.160You can see him wearing a T-shirt that says, legalize incest.
00:10:31.960He had made other pretty dismissive comments about pronouns, using pronouns.
00:10:37.580Criticuling people who use pronouns other than he or she. I think this is actually pretty1.00
00:10:43.820disturbing. He used a real flyer of a real missing child, which he edited and adapted to promote his
00:10:52.980album and to sell his merch. Just feels kind of twisted. My gosh, and one more controversy I almost
00:10:59.260forgot to mention. Likely the most deranged, I think, of them all. I'm sure you guys remember
00:11:04.840Luigi Mangione and the healthcare CEO, the United healthcare CEO that was shot and murdered in cold
00:11:12.580blood outside of that hotel in New York city. That's what kind of started like the Luigi
00:11:17.160Mangione effect. Maybe not the start of it, but at least in modern times, like the romantization
00:11:23.460of stone cold killers writing on the casings, the bullet casing. What did he write? He was,
00:11:29.420it was like depose, defend, deny something to that effect. We saw where Charlie Kirk's assassin
00:11:34.840also wrote on the bullets. And so besides the point, you guys, you know the situation I'm
00:11:40.520talking about. Well, following this, Ethel Cain wrote a statement saying that he found it funny
00:11:44.680that calling for the death and destruction of multi-billionaire CEOs was being painted as a
00:11:50.620radical, woke, liberal position. He argued that actually it has nothing to do with left, right,
00:11:56.920blue, red, conservative, Democrat politics at all and compared it to that nonpartisan issues like
00:12:03.200climate change. He pushed back on the idea that defending traditional values should include
00:12:09.880protecting corrupt lawmakers and old tycoons. He even went as far to say that, you know,
00:12:17.040people are wrong when they say violence is never the answer, because sometimes violence is the
00:12:23.040answer. Hashtag kill more CEOs. Mind you, this was right after a real CEO had just been killed,
00:12:31.940murdered. This was a father. This was a husband who was prematurely taken from this earth. So to
00:12:37.440say kill more CEOs, of course, it's irresponsible. It's dangerous. It's tone deaf and it's glorifying
00:12:44.860murder. All while I would bet if you ask, this person believes themselves to be morally superior
00:12:51.420to people like you and me. And are we really living in an influencers cancel culture? If
00:12:56.580these outed posts aren't followed immediately with a lengthy apology, in his case, a 2000 word,
00:13:04.760an essay, a 2000 word apology, forget this being white in his apologies. He says at the end of the
00:13:12.500day, I am white. So while I can take accountability for my actions, there's no way for me to fully
00:13:17.540understand the way it feels to be on the receiving end of them let's watch this clip here i was young
00:13:24.220and angry and lashing out of the world it is deeply shameful and embarrassing um to see that
00:13:31.700dredged back up so that video we just watched was him sat down with the new york times who is the
00:13:37.380canceler of all cancelers by the way uh they i guess saw fit to excuse his racist rants why
00:13:44.600because he is trans. On the other hand, you have Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert. Maybe had he
00:13:50.400declared himself a woman towards the end of his life prior to passing away earlier this year,
00:13:55.100his past comments would have been forgiven or excused as well by the New York Times. But no,
00:14:00.340of course not. He was a conservative. And so this was the headline from the New York Times when he
00:14:06.800passed away. It says Scott Adams, whose comic strip Dilbert was a sensation until he made
00:14:11.600racist comments on his podcast has died at 68. So I guess accountability or forgiveness, it depends
00:14:18.000on who you are, not really what you did. And I know I've alluded to this controversy with Lana
00:14:22.540Del Rey, but I want to spend a second on it because I think it's interesting because I think
00:14:26.540it's telling of a true narcissist. Okay. Ethel Kane started as, or Hayden started as a fan of
00:14:35.060Lana Del Rey. If you don't know who Lana Del Rey is, there's very obvious like stylistic parallels
00:14:41.440between the two and their music. The melancholy and the kind of weird femininity, but it's like
00:14:48.500this all Americana imagery and small town vibes and trauma. It's kind of dark, right? Well, over
00:14:55.540time, people, listeners, began to draw constant comparisons between the two. And that made Ethel
00:15:03.960mad or Hayden Kane. Let's say Kane. Kane started feeling overshadowed by Lana Del Rey. And so
00:15:12.360fans have now dug up old posts from Kane throwing shade at Lana Del Rey. Sly comments about like
00:15:20.560pushing Lana Del Rey over when someone said Lana walked so Ethel could run. Deleting,
00:15:27.400even going as far to delete or edit references on Wikipedia, Lana Del Rey's Wikipedia page,
00:15:33.960the just general irritation of being called the new Lana. He didn't like it. Well, this is funny
00:15:40.860and kind of shows true fan behavior because Lana Del Rey went on to say, I don't even know who this
00:15:45.320person was. I don't know who Ethel Kane was when these comparisons were being drawn. She then went
00:15:50.860on, Lana did, which this is such petty internet drama. I know that. Okay. Stay with me. I'm
00:15:56.900intrigued. She then went on to name drop him and lyrics of her song, a diss track, if you will,
00:16:03.080saying, Ethel Kane hated my Instagram post, thinks it's cute reenacting my Chicago pose.
00:16:09.160This referred to a very specific photo that Lana had posted with musician Jack Donahue,
00:16:14.080which was her ex at one point outside of a Chicago jail, actually. Well, guess what? Ethel
00:16:19.360later posted a very similar style outdoor photo with the same guy, which fans, of course,
00:16:26.400interpreted as copying or inserting himself. Then Ethel went on to mock Lana Del Rey's weight0.97
00:16:34.040and her body and these fat shaming comments. He talked negatively behind her back to mutual
00:16:40.140friends that they shared. And Lana said that Ethel started like inserting himself into her
00:16:44.900personal life, which was incredibly disturbing to her. There's more, but honestly, it just boils
00:16:49.260down to this is like classic celebrity internet beef, like pretty petty and pretty surface level.
00:16:55.640but I mentioned it for a couple of reasons. Number one, I think it shows true narcissism
00:16:59.960on Ethel Kane's side where he didn't like being compared to one of the greatest in this,
00:17:04.640this niche genre to ever do it. He didn't like that. Okay. And secondly, this is like a total
00:17:10.700hunch and I don't like making hunches. Um, I quite often make fun of people who say things
00:17:16.480based off of hunches or dreams or vibes or feelings or any of that stuff. Okay. So I'm
00:17:21.360not trying to do that. Uh, Lana's political affiliation, her beliefs aren't, I don't think
00:17:27.880they're widely known, but what we do know, actually she's been known to support like BLM
00:17:32.820and women's marches in the past. Uh, but she just married someone not too, too long ago who is
00:17:38.520religious, uh, from what it appears to be pretty devout. Uh, and he is thought to be a Trump
00:17:44.080supporter. I think he's like a, like alligator hunter, like Louisiana. Okay. Uh, she is a
00:17:51.340now seen as someone who is, uh, leaning into like conservative trad wife aesthetics, uh, and
00:17:59.680possibly maybe even likes Trump, which is like, no, a no-go in, uh, Hollywood, in the music world.
00:18:09.040Uh, and I think total hunch, uh, but what could have underscored this feud between the two,
00:18:16.040which all leads me back to the post that I saw on my Instagram feed, seeing Ethel Cain in all of
00:18:23.720his glory or really lack thereof. Here's my thoughts on this. Here's my, my take. I think
00:18:30.300he put his fetish on full display for the world to see. Uh, I'm not going to act like I understand
00:18:36.800what is going on inside of his mind because clearly I don't, I don't understand the trauma
00:18:41.820or the abuse, quite frankly, I don't want to. I imagine it's pretty horrible for you to be in
00:18:47.180the position that he's in, for you to feel as if there's validation or there's a necessity to post
00:18:52.840your genitalia online. I don't want to be in that headspace. So I'm not going to act like I fully
00:18:59.040understand what he's going through, what his intentions are. Just my take. Let's talk about
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00:20:56.220Gaines show. Now you might be wondering why, Riley, do you think this is a fetish as opposed
00:21:03.760to someone who really believes that they were born in the wrong body? The lie that young people0.97
00:21:09.860or adults for that matter are constantly and consistently told by society and culture and
00:21:14.960people who call themselves healthcare professionals, right? The lie that they were born in the wrong
00:21:19.400body. Why don't I think that's the case for Ethel Kane? Why do I think it's a fetish?0.99
00:21:23.220I'm going to ask you, have you ever heard of autogynophilia, AGP? Let's call it AGP in this
00:21:31.280conversation. I had never heard of this prior to being immersed in the gender ideology movement.
00:21:38.060I have now grown to understand that autogynophilia or AGP is the most likely driver for any man
00:21:46.820pretending to be a woman, including, by the way, this isn't just, uh, you know, crazy woke people
00:21:53.340on the left, even Christine Ome's husband. Okay. I believe to be an autogynophiliac. Okay. So what
00:21:59.360is autogynophilia? Um, it is a paraphilia really it's, it's a male's propensity to be sexually
00:22:05.580aroused, either dressing as a woman, the thought or the image of himself as a female. Let's break
00:22:13.420the word down. Auto, right? It's like Greek root. Auto means self. Gein means woman. Philia means
00:22:21.880love or attraction. So literally the word autogonophilia is love of oneself as a woman.
00:22:30.040So I guess in this case, like the primary erotic target, it's not another person. Again, it is one
00:22:36.100self transformed into a woman. It's men who are aroused, like sexually aroused from either0.51
00:22:41.700dressing as a woman, from acting or behaving in a feminine way, or I see this on Reddit actually
00:22:48.640all the time, men who are aroused from imagining female bodily functions like menstruation or
00:22:56.660pregnancy. Oftentimes it's accompanied by a deep-seated jealousy of women because they do
00:23:03.060things that men cannot do. And I think that explains a little bit of the feud between Lana
00:23:08.460Del Rey and Kane. They are the object of their own sexual attraction. They are fixated sexually1.00
00:23:14.420on themselves, desolated as like a misogynistic. It is oftentimes misogynistic stereotype of a
00:23:23.280woman. The pigtails and the schoolgirl outfits. It's erotic target fixation gone wrong. It is a0.98
00:23:33.360paraphilia. There have been several videos online even of like planet fitnesses or other community
00:23:39.980gyms of men relieving themselves. If you're picking up what I'm putting down in women's1.00
00:23:46.380bathrooms or locker rooms, that is an AGP. I don't even like talking about this. Okay. It's0.99
00:23:52.140uncomfortable for me, someone who is like grown married with a child. It is still even uncomfortable
00:23:57.940for me to talk about, but I think it's important to know and to recognize the patterns that we're
00:24:02.500seeing. And this is largely the problem with, well, there's a lot of problems with the gender
00:24:07.540ideology movement. One of those being cutting off healthy body parts for profit, the lack of
00:24:12.760parental rights, the lack of safeguarding of children, of course, women's rights, but largely0.99
00:24:17.700this, okay? It's happening. Men, opportunistic men, fetishistic men with impunity are getting0.96
00:24:26.900access to all of our spaces, to our sports, to our locker rooms, to our bathrooms, to our prisons,
00:24:31.540to our domestic violence shelters. Okay. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? These are spaces
00:24:36.720that women have fought for decades to have as their own, uh, free from men, just like the one
00:24:43.540in the video that I just showed you a man who I don't even think he believes himself to be trans.
00:24:48.740This is a man, or maybe he believes it, but end of the day, this is a man with a fetish. Okay.
00:24:55.340That is my take on this issue. I encourage you to Google autogynophilia. If you want to spend
00:25:00.800more time doing a really deep dive on it. I would encourage you to look up, he's a sexologist,
00:25:07.920a doctor, I guess he's from Canada. His name is Ray Blanchard. Okay. He was one of the ones to
00:25:13.360kind of create the core ideas or the framework behind AGP to first define it and recognize it.1.00
00:25:20.440And one more point to make here, women don't do this. Okay. Women and men are, of course,1.00
00:25:26.620we're physically different. Anyone with eyeballs can see that, but we're genetically encoded to be
00:25:32.080different in our characteristics and the way that our brain works. Women on average, generally,1.00
00:25:37.000of course, there are exceptions, but generally women are more apologetic and emotionally driven
00:25:41.880and empathetic and compassionate. And guess what? These are good things. They really are. And their
00:25:45.820true essence and the true connotation of these words, it is a good thing because it's what makes
00:25:50.080us good wives and good mothers and good nurturers. Men, on the other hand, on average, are typically
00:25:57.020more assertive. They are more dominant. They are more aggressive, which that's also a good thing.
00:26:02.260That's what makes men the protectors and the providers. Again, what is genetically encoded
00:26:07.080in men? Well, guess what? Those same aggressive, assertive, dominant men who, even if they begin
00:26:14.500to claim the identity of a woman, they're still the same aggressive, dominant, assertive man
00:26:19.220that they once were. They're not acting in a ladylike manner when they insist their way into
00:26:26.140our spaces, when they demand the language by which we call them. We don't see this happening
00:26:30.580the other way. You don't see women who identify as men posting their genitals online because it's
00:26:37.640the same docile, submissive woman that it was previously, even with taking testosterone. Are
00:26:44.440are you guys understanding what I'm saying? Is it making sense? I really hope it is.
00:26:48.660The in your faceness is kind of the entire point of this. It's very man centric. It's very male.
00:26:56.420That's the toxic kind of masculinity. If we're going to talk about toxic masculinity,
00:27:00.680it's that right there. Men who are posting their genitalia online, wanting you to acknowledge
00:27:07.600that they have male genitalia all while wearing a corset and saying, you know, I'm the submissive
00:27:13.680one, you must accept it. And if you don't, then you're the bigot. Normalize my fetish or else.
00:27:19.900That is what we call toxic masculinity. And I made the point in the intro that Instagram or
00:27:26.500Meta has allowed this to stay up. Despite the fact that it is pornography, whether they want
00:27:31.640to say that it's artistic nudity, whatever, I non-consensually saw genitals, male genitals on
00:27:39.240my screen. Um, I attempted to report the post, um, more so just to see what Instagram would do,
00:27:45.820what meta would do. Uh, and I got a notification that says we did not remove mother Kane's content
00:27:50.680to keep our preview process as fair as possible. We use the same set of community standards to
00:27:55.600review all reports. Our team, our team reviewed the content. They found that it does not go
00:27:59.880against our community standards on nudity or sexual activity, despite the fact that he was
00:28:04.620nude. I just don't understand it. Even more so, I don't get it. When they censor people like me,
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00:28:21.260the CEO, the former CEO or CMO of Levi's, ended up getting let go, fired, resigned,
00:28:29.920one of those situations, right? Um, from Levi's during COVID, this is like a traditional San
00:28:34.960Francisco liberal lefty, his, I mean, lifelong liberal, um, but really started to question
00:28:40.220things during COVID. Uh, and when she did out loud to her company, uh, guess what? She had
00:28:46.980the veil lifted when she was let go from her job. It was only a few weeks ago that I had posted on
00:28:53.320X, an animated image of me wearing an XXXY Athletics shirt. Elon Musk ended up quote
00:29:00.780tweeting this. We was going back and forth. Well, guess what? We got mass reported XXXY Athletics
00:29:06.480did after Elon Musk drew attention to the brand. And the result of this was meta shadow banning
00:29:13.100or censoring, removing XXXY Athletics ads from Facebook and Instagram for a few days.
00:29:21.900And why did Meta do that? Because XXXY Athletics enforces the idea, the fact, that there are only two sexes and that biological reality matters. It's real. It cannot be ignored, especially when we're talking about sports. And for that, Meta censored XXXY Athletics.0.99
00:29:43.240but left up ethel canes smushed and shriveled fruit cup i don't know like i i'm i'm at a loss
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