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00:00:34.620Well, Kim and Marshy, thanks for joining the Riley Gaines Show.
00:00:38.240You guys are like the most dynamic duo when it comes to protecting women's sports and common sense.
00:00:46.660Both of you and I think the evolution of the movement and even you both personally over the past few years has just been something that has inspired me.
00:00:56.940You both were just in Washington, D.C.
00:01:00.420Kim, you just testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
00:01:03.700Can you kind of walk us through the hearing itself?
00:09:11.260I mean, it's true for anything designated for women.
00:09:14.060So it comes down to a language issue. When you give men the right to call themselves women, then you strip away the right of women to advocate for their unique needs and experiences apart from men.
00:09:56.920they're in direct conflict with one another. Inevitably, and we've seen this for years now,
00:10:03.420it's the most frustrating thing, discourse we see online by those who I do believe
00:10:09.160know better. Whether it's saying that we need genital inspections, that's what we're advocating
00:10:16.040for, is grown men to ask young girls to pull down their pants so we can inspect their genitals.
00:10:21.600Can you guys just debunk this, please? No one is advocating for this. No one wants a genital
00:10:29.240inspection. So when you see this discourse online, how do you respond to this and what
00:10:34.820actually are we advocating for, Marshy? So what's so ironic is that they're harping
00:10:43.300no genital exams in women's sports, while they're also saying we want to force grown men
00:10:51.360into locker rooms and showers with little girls after swim practice or after volleyball with
00:11:00.140high school athletes. So it's so disingenuous. It's fear-mongering to the umpteenth degree
00:11:10.360because what women are asking for is actually going back to something we used to do even at
00:11:18.680the Olympic Games, which was cheek swabbing athletes who wanted to participate in the female
00:11:24.440category. So this was done decades ago. Thankfully, the IOC is now reversing itself
00:11:32.580and becoming the leader that they are supposed to be by reinstituting a simple cheek swab.
00:11:40.820It's very cheap. It's easy, non-invasive. I had a two-year-old during COVID who I had to shove
00:11:48.360a, you know, Q-tip up to tickle his brain in order to, you know, get on a flight to go and
00:11:56.760see my parents to prove, you know, his COVID test. And yet we are not willing to just swab
00:12:05.920a woman's mouth to determine that she's in the right category. It's really imperative now
00:12:14.540That we are seeing, you know, plastic surgery advances, kids who have tragically been medicalized at such a young age that they are participating in women's sports, quote unquote, stealth because they're able to pass as women and girls, however, are experiencing, you know, state championship once in a lifetime athlete accolade titles given to them.
00:12:43.440because they're performing, understandably, at a much higher level than genetic females.
00:12:50.160And so this is the next frontier for the protection of women's sports,
00:12:56.760cheek swabbing in order to protect our women and girls and to uphold the laws that we do have in
00:13:04.440place. To suggest that you have a sports category for which there is no eligibility criteria other
00:13:11.940than personal declaration is crazy. It's a non-category then because it's a completely
00:13:18.260permeable boundary. And the reason we have people do drug testing, step on scales, make sure that
00:13:23.980they're the right age, make sure they live in the right district, that they are citizens of a
00:13:28.520certain country is to make sure that they are eligible for the category that they are competing
00:13:33.260in. And that is, has to be the same case for the women's category. We've got to make sure that it
00:13:39.440is a boundaried category to allow for female athletes to compete fairly and safely.
00:13:47.500So, yeah, the sex screening thing is quite easy.
00:13:50.160And I want to also say that to your listeners that every single young athlete in America
00:13:57.660in middle school through high school has to go through a pre-participation physical right
00:14:02.320now for Clarence to participate in school sports that every doctor knows your sex, especially
00:14:09.200if they know your medical history, which you are by law required to provide.
00:14:13.460So a cheek swab is, again, simple, easy, and it is complete, for the SRY gene, it's
00:14:24.620But as far as what the USOPC is doing, contrary to the IOC, they are not installing or are
00:14:32.380beginning cheek swabs for eligibility and registration for USOPC organizations.
00:14:38.780And it's that USOPC is U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee.
00:14:42.600It's an umbrella organization that oversees all Olympic sport in the U.S.
00:14:47.000And we have men and boys competing under that Olympic umbrella, under their governance, in the women and girls category across the board and at the highest levels.
00:14:58.720With just, was it now three or four weeks ago, we had a male athlete who just started cycling 18 months ago competitively.
00:15:07.340We provided icons, provided the information necessary to the USA Cycling to say this is a male athlete in violation of their written policy.
00:15:18.620And they continued to elevate him through the ranks until finally about three or four weeks ago, they gave him an international license to compete at a UCI event,
00:15:30.300the most prestigious event on U.S. soil in the last decade
00:15:34.960where he would be competing against Olympic gold medalists.
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00:16:07.560um and so that's i mean it's just an appalling or embarrassing state of affairs for our olympic
00:16:17.220committee to not be holding accountable doing their job to hold accountable their national
00:16:24.980governing bodies to uphold the rules and policies not just of the united states but of the
00:16:29.660international sports communities so we have they've got to start doing their job and they
00:16:36.380have got to start requiring the policy to be enforced, not just written in words, which is
00:16:42.440what we're seeing across the board right now. Do you think the Trump administration knows about
00:16:47.860this? Because when it comes to the Olympics, especially LA, 2028, President Trump and his
00:16:55.020administration has been very clear, like, there will be no men competing in women's sports. So
00:17:00.500do you think that they know the USOPC isn't adhering to the guidelines that the IOC has set
00:17:07.700and certainly that we've seen kind of laid out from President Trump and his administration?
00:17:13.200Because I imagine they would not be overly thrilled if they knew the USOPC was doing this.
00:17:19.020And they would force their hand because up until this point, they've done a pretty good job of
00:17:25.220that. I think there, of course, could be a case made about the NCAA and how maybe the Trump
00:17:31.240administration believed them to be following guidelines, but that's a separate conversation.
00:17:36.320Do you think they know about what the USOPC is doing?
00:17:40.680Marcia, I think we're a little confused right now. We have notified high-level
00:17:48.280government officials about what's happening. I don't know that they know the extent to which
00:17:56.980it's happening. So I do believe that there are, I mean, this is kind of speculation though, Riley,
00:18:02.340I believe that there are the people who are in charge of taking their big stick to hold the US
00:18:10.500OPC accountable as it is a federally chartered institution, even though it doesn't receive
00:18:14.800federal funding, it exists at the pleasure and discrimination of the U of Congress of the
00:18:21.260government. So we have told people, you know, what's happening, but the enforcement is not
00:18:28.760coming down from the top at the USOPC. So it's unclear at this point, what conversations are
00:18:34.880happening. Yes, I wish they would be stronger. I wish they would be faster. But I, Marcia,
00:18:41.760Do you have anything to add to that? I'm not 100% clear.
00:18:44.820I would say they are aware to an extent, but Kim and I, and one of the reasons Kim was sitting in the Senate last week is to raise major alarm bells.
00:19:02.700the American people also, you know, we we've gained wins, certainly, especially since the
00:19:11.040Trump administration has been so focused on trying to help women and girls in sports.
00:19:17.320We are seeing wins like at the Olympic Committee, like with keeping men out of women's sports
00:19:23.480executive order, like we've seen for a couple of years now, which is great. But every time
00:19:30.460we celebrate a win, a large part of the population believes it's over. So even when your sport
00:19:39.620changes its policy in name and word only, parents, you need to hold these people's feet to the fire
00:19:50.140and go to the media and talk about what you're experiencing and out them because the pressure
00:19:56.300at this point is what is changing policy and awareness. It's not the people in the leadership
00:20:06.320chair, because depending on who is sitting on that board, they are some of the biggest trans
00:20:12.560activists we've ever encountered, our board members within these sports. This is why we have
00:20:18.720come to this mass problem across sports. And so parents and voters and individuals,
00:20:27.700we have got to rise up and start talking about this and demanding people do something about it
00:20:34.400to rectify this right now. Because can you imagine when President Trump is out of the Oval Office,
00:20:41.440who that next seat could be occupied by.
00:20:45.240And if we don't get permanent protection right now,
00:20:50.020all of this can be undone with a strike of a pen.
00:20:55.320Your Uncle Dale is the undisputed king of hot takes.
00:20:58.220Buffalo, they're a lock because his barber said so.
00:25:56.160And even in states where there are policies or laws that are supposed to help us understand the numbers or protect girls, like in Michigan, there is a policy that if you are a boy and you want to participate on a girls team, that you have to submit for a waiver to participate on that.
00:26:17.140we have found several boys in the last couple years during this policy who are playing on
00:26:25.100girls' teams. And we know they're boys. We've verified it 100%. And they are not submitting.
00:26:31.420They don't believe they have to follow the policy. It's as if this is a group of people
00:26:35.580that the rules don't apply for. And even in states where there are laws protecting the girls,
00:26:42.500We know about the volleyball player in Florida, but we also know of ones in Ohio and in Texas.
00:26:48.620We have watched administrators interviewed to say, oh, here's the loopholes.
00:26:54.520Here's how we can help get your boy through the cracks.
00:26:56.500Like the cheek swab is the bulletproof way to say you have to be eligible because otherwise
00:27:02.820we get individual activists like we have at the head of USA Hockey, USA Rugby, USA Volleyball,
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00:31:23.480could start with just one conversation. I'm sure you are the same as I am, Riley. I had no idea
00:31:32.060when we worked to try to file those cases in federal court, what the federal court system
00:31:37.800looked like, what that process looked like. How long and drawn out and appeals and 30 days here
00:31:44.080and 90 days here. Yeah. So there is a level of, of confusion on, on where these things stand,
00:31:51.080the timeline of them, what's actually even being decided on. But I think it's intentional,
00:31:57.000Right. Like it feels intentionally confusing and draining, draining financially, emotionally, the output, I guess, there.
00:32:06.400So in terms of finances and such, is that something that your everyday person, if they feel convicted to contribute to, is that something, number one, that's needed and that is possible to be done?
00:32:19.500Yes, we need financial support. And it's critically important that these cases stay alive, even because they are the best chance that women have right now in federal court to secure legal protections.
00:32:34.080And as Marshy said earlier, we need those permanent legal protections.
00:33:02.640And they put that on the side in order to be able to uphold this policy and now it's gone. So we've got to get legal victories in court to secure women's rights. We absolutely need funding. We are fighting this. We filed these cases believing that the American people wanted to see women win in court and that when we filed, they would come to support the girls that were brave enough to put their necks on the line.
00:33:31.720We are managing to keep them barely afloat right now, but we need support.
00:34:46.220So it just, I mean, lots of people, but Mackenzie Bezos,
00:34:50.800$45 million into funding those male athletes.
00:34:54.200So we need financial support from the other side. I wish that we could put court cases out there for every woman that calls us and says they want.
00:35:03.500We need to be littering the country with court cases.
00:35:06.720Well, we certainly see wins happening legislatively. And I think when we're talking about shifting public opinion, but you have to have wins in the courtroom ultimately to set the precedent.
00:35:20.040Um, so thank you guys. And, and, and to hold people accountable, otherwise the whole slap
00:35:26.860on the wrist kind of enforcement mechanism that, that we've seen thus far, it just doesn't work
00:35:33.600when you are dealing with activists, as you, you put it, which I think is, is, um, maybe even an
00:35:40.300understatement. These people are worse than activists. It is their life mission to further
00:35:46.460gender ideology to harm women um and children weirdly enough so thank you guys for doing what
00:35:52.400you do for backing the cases for testifying and for for alerting the public um to things that
00:35:58.420otherwise they would think we're on the winning side of and while again we have seen wins and we
00:36:02.400should celebrate those there's a lot of work to do so thank you guys
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