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Washington's "FREE" Money Comes With One Condition | Nancy Mace

25 years later, we still won't say who did this | remembering 9⧸11 What Nancy Mace Just Found Should TERRIFY You | She Sounds the ALARM

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00:00:00.000 All right. Good evening, everyone. We are doing it a little bit differently tonight. I'm in
00:00:04.020 Washington this week. We'll not have time to be able to do these quick podcasts we've been doing
00:00:09.760 at 8 p.m. every night, Monday through Thursday. So I'm doing a long one tonight. I hope you'll
00:00:13.820 stick with me for the whole hour. But if you can't, that's okay. We will cut up each of the
00:00:19.520 segments and air them each at 8 p.m. every night this week so that you don't miss out on anything.
00:00:24.880 We're going to do something a little bit differently tonight, but let's get through
00:00:27.460 the intro first.
00:00:57.460 I see you're not following me. Hit the follow button now.
00:01:02.160 All right, we're going to do something a little bit differently, as I said before.
00:01:05.220 Tonight, I'm going to start off by showing you a clip from body cam footage the night of a shooting three years ago.
00:01:12.980 There are words written on a notepad. I want you to be very close attention to the words on the notepad.
00:01:19.000 Hey. I had to.
00:01:23.820 What you got?
00:01:25.900 The clip captures now former HCPD patrol sergeant Paul Damon Viscovi writing and flashing a written note reading, quote, act like a victim camera to two men, Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams.
00:01:40.080 The video taken just moments after both Boyd and Williams allegedly gunned down fellow driver Scott Spife.
00:01:47.380 Now, if there had been an actual investigation, one would think that those five words would have come up in the investigation.
00:01:55.160 why would somebody write down act like a victim and then camera right after a fatal
00:02:03.520 shooting? Ask yourself why. And a police sergeant wrote those words down at the scene of a shooting
00:02:08.940 in South Carolina and held them up to the man who had just shot and killed somebody.
00:02:14.340 He thought no camera would ever see it. However, his own body camera caught it. They didn't find
00:02:20.520 this clip from the body cam until a reporter dug it up two years later. So when they said there
00:02:26.700 was an investigation and this never came up, I have a lot of questions about this. So this week,
00:02:32.140 those five words became a federal civil rights lawsuit by Jennifer Foley and Scott Spivey's
00:02:38.580 family. Let's watch it again. Note reading, quote, act like a victim. Good evening. I'm Nancy Mace
00:02:45.400 and you are about to get maced.
00:02:52.480 Republicans just spent two days in Dallas releasing balloons
00:02:55.360 and the press called it disarray.
00:02:57.420 I watched it the way I used to watch a 3 a.m. rush
00:03:01.720 at the Waffle House.
00:03:02.740 Loud, messy, and the plates still hit the table.
00:03:05.740 Democrats have a quieter kitchen
00:03:07.760 and, oh, by the way, nothing ever comes out of it
00:03:11.200 that's ever any good.
00:03:12.160 The Democrats spent their summer
00:03:13.500 nominating actual card-carrying socialists and calling it a rebrand, calling it an experiment.
00:03:23.200 We have the receipts, so we're going to go through every single one of them tonight. And the full
00:03:27.160 story behind that yellow legal pad is waiting at the end of the show, including recordings of a
00:03:32.020 deputy chief of police you're going to have to hear with your own ears and see with your own
00:03:37.960 to actually believe. So stick around. Let's go. Before I say one word about the other side,
00:03:44.520 some housekeeping about mine. Republicans held our first ever midterm convention
00:03:49.320 in Dallas this week. Labor Day kicked off the general election. We are 50 days out from the
00:03:54.240 November election. We're holding majorities in both chambers in the House and the Senate by a
00:03:59.060 single hair. And every serious forecast says we could lose both chambers. So no, I'm not up here
00:04:05.360 tonight to tell you my team has it all figured out because we, quite frankly, we do not. And a
00:04:10.220 Democrat, John Fetterman, showed up at our convention promising to work with the president.
00:04:15.980 Big room of Republicans in Dallas. Yes, I'm Senator John Fetterman, Pennsylvania. Yes,
00:04:22.800 I'm a Democrat. Why am I here talking to you today? Because, well, I'm a common sense Democrat.
00:04:29.580 All right. And Democrat Senator John Fetterman showed up at our convention this week promising
00:04:34.980 to work with the president, which tells you how strange this general election cycle is. When the
00:04:40.260 other team starts wandering into your locker room, check the scoreboard. Now the lineup the other
00:04:45.860 side is actually putting on the field. And I want you to know something as we go forward. Every
00:04:52.560 claim tonight comes with a receipt on your screen. I'm not going to call anybody a name they didn't
00:04:58.400 earn, at least not in their own words. So we're going to start in Florida. Angie Nixon just won
00:05:03.520 the Democratic nomination for the United States Senate. She's a member of the Democratic Socialists 0.97
00:05:09.460 of America, card carrying a member, okay, who loves to scream in the microphone. That's not 1.00
00:05:17.580 my label for her. She's a socialist. That is her membership. That is the card she carries. Her own 0.98
00:05:22.200 party recruited Alex Vendman for that seat, who was a witness in an impeachment trial for the
00:05:27.200 president, fled a socialist country as a socialist refugee, decorated veteran, national profile,
00:05:33.520 seen in all the time establishment money fled a socialist country perfect on paper
00:05:37.760 and the florida democrat primary voters looked at all of that and alexander vendman and picked
00:05:42.720 the card carrying socialist and said instead and her her victory speech actually said a lot
00:05:50.480 she makes a good point here she was outspent 16 to 1 alexander vindman raised 16 million dollars
00:06:05.740 she raised less than 1 million dollars she won and her victory speech ran on medicare for all
00:06:12.040 universal child care all the free things the government sucks at and then we go north to
00:06:16.820 Michigan, where Abdul El-Sayed just won the Democrat Senate primary. By one point,
00:06:21.180 he campaigned with Bernie Sanders AOC and a podcaster named Hassan Piker, who said America
00:06:26.380 deserved 9-11. And when the Wall Street Journal asked if he's a Democrat socialist, Abdul said
00:06:37.640 that he is, quote, not technically socialist. I'm not a socialist. I'm a scientist. I'm a doctor,
00:06:44.380 Which is also how I describe my relationship with cardio. Not technically. Not technically. Cardio. Watch.
00:06:54.160 A Senate candidate in Michigan is facing criticism this morning for planning a rally with anti-Israeli podcaster Hassan Piker, who says America deserved 9-11 and justified the October 7th attacks.
00:07:07.520 it doesn't even matter none of this justifies that palestinians have a right to to dignity a
00:07:16.020 right to emancipation a right to live free lives free from this occupation doesn't matter doesn't
00:07:22.880 matter if rapes happen on october 7 like that doesn't change the dynamic for me even this much
00:07:27.880 and i want to play this clip of when the supreme leader the ayatollah was eliminated and this is
00:07:34.720 what you had to say. Watch. I also want to remind you guys that there are a lot of people in
00:07:40.480 Dearborn who are sad today. Well, fast forward five weeks on, I think all of us are sad today.
00:07:45.180 There's so much in those clips. And thank you to Fox News. Lawrence Jones is so good going after
00:07:53.620 these folks. But I got to take you back to Hassan. Hassan's words about the occupation 1.00
00:07:59.140 the palestinians have been occupied by the jews and israel is what he was referring to by the way
00:08:04.980 hassan the jews were there before muhammad okay the jews were there first and then jesus came 0.77
00:08:12.540 and muhammad came after jesus and by the way muhammad was okay with pedophilia child marriage 0.92
00:08:18.740 child rape okay not things to be proud of there is no occupation there's only one jewish state 0.99
00:08:25.820 in the entire world and it's under attack by radical islam babies burned alive on october 7th 1.00
00:08:34.860 women raped and killed by those nasty ghazan hamas terrorists islamic terrorists that are now 0.99
00:08:46.300 terrorizing other muslims in the region it's disgusting and oh by the way did you see the 0.99
00:08:52.700 pivot that Abdul did there with Lawrence Jones on Fox News, his pivot when asked about not wanting 0.92
00:08:59.420 to talk about the Ayatollah's death in Iran when Trump annihilated his, annihilated him, excuse me,
00:09:06.040 bleep that one out, Piper. Abdul wanted to pivot and talk about gas prices. I mean, that is, it is
00:09:13.520 such a strange cycle. I will agree. It's a really weird cycle. And about Hassan Piker, let's see,
00:09:19.940 Hassan Piker was on the Jumbotron at the RNC event, midterm convention.
00:09:27.280 My own party at our own convention put a photo of that man in his underwear on the Jumbotron.
00:09:33.360 Blurred, thank God.
00:09:34.320 But still, nobody wants to see that.
00:09:35.900 But I'm going to show it to you.
00:09:39.260 I'm going to show it to you anyway for giggles.
00:09:42.840 It has moved away from Democrats in its own party.
00:09:47.020 I am not going to be in the same party with Hassan Piker.
00:09:49.140 And of course, Hassan Piker loved that he was in his tighty-whities on a jumbotron at the RNC
00:10:02.740 midterm convention. Loved it. Great for his ego. He looked like he stuffed it, by the way.
00:10:10.040 But I have questions for whomever built that montage because nobody wanted to see that.
00:10:17.860 I didn't want to see that. And Piker reposted the picture of himself unblurred. I don't advise you
00:10:23.280 go watch it, which means that the only person that attack ad worked for was actually for Hassan
00:10:28.060 Piker. Why give him that kind of ink? If we're going to lose a messaging war, can we at least
00:10:34.180 keep our opponent's pants on? And I didn't have to call him an extremist because El-Sayed's 0.59
00:10:39.740 primary opponent went on television and cast him as an extremist. And the Republicans' preferred
00:10:44.920 candidate called Abdul that. Hassan Piker's an extremist, but she called Abdul an extremist.
00:10:50.980 Governor Whitmer endorsed against Abdul in the final month of the Democrat primary. The Sharia 0.96
00:10:56.700 law lover won anyway. Loves Sharia law, defends it, which brings me to Texas. And I need the clip 0.99
00:11:03.260 for this one because you wouldn't believe me otherwise. James Tellarico is a Democrat nominee
00:11:07.840 for senate in texas ken paxton could lose to this guy he's a presbyterian seminary student
00:11:16.400 he preaches in actual churches and in 2021 on the floor of the texas house
00:11:22.960 he said this god is both masculine and feminine and everything in between god is non-binary god
00:11:34.240 is non-binary god is both masculine and feminine god is non-binary he said and that is on the
00:11:42.160 record it's the christian who hates christianity that is in his voice in his own words and reporters
00:11:47.920 like jake tapper asked him about it this month he explained he was being provocative
00:11:53.120 and what he really meant is that god is beyond gender so the campaign has upgraded
00:11:58.960 God from non-binary to beyond gender. I'm glad they found time to workshop the Almighty in Texas,
00:12:07.160 Tallarico. But I have a friend, and this is a true story. I have a friend who recently told me
00:12:12.040 he just gave $5,000 to Tallarico. I had to go look it up in the FEC myself because I didn't
00:12:19.340 believe him. This is a good friend of mine that I thought was a Republican, that I thought was
00:12:23.640 Christian, is in church every Sunday. I almost tackled him. I found out he did. And I asked him,
00:12:31.140 I asked him why. And he said, because he's Christian. He's got a lot of Christians,
00:12:37.640 I believe, fooled. What he really meant was walking it back. And before anybody tells me 1.00
00:12:48.100 that was one man being poetic. Please understand where the culture already is. Race became
00:12:56.300 optional on TikTok this week. Some woman got on TikTok, some pro Lindsey Clancy woman. She's a 1.00
00:13:04.320 woman. She may not look like a woman to some people. That's a whole nother conversation. 1.00
00:13:08.340 Whole nother TikTok trend is what gender are you? We don't know. You're confusing. 0.89
00:13:11.520 a woman that looked like pat announced to the world that she is a non i kid you not she is a
00:13:20.540 non-practicing white the holdout juror in the lindsey clancy trial was a black man and i'm not
00:13:27.660 going to share any opinions because i'm not a person of color i am a non-practicing white
00:13:31.880 um i'm surprised it changes the landscape of the conversation a little bit and i think a lot of us
00:13:37.740 we're assuming that it was a white man. So now God's gender is on the ballot in Texas.
00:13:43.500 Apparently everything in America is self-identified except for your tax bracket. I would like to
00:13:48.360 non, I would like to identify as a non-practicing taxpayer. Is that a thing? Because I surely would
00:13:56.680 love for that to be a thing. Now the part of the Tallarico story I actually wanted you to take
00:14:00.920 seriously. He wraps every position in scripture. It's very dangerous because when a court
00:14:08.440 let Texas display the Ten Commandments in classrooms, he called the ruling deeply
00:14:14.140 unchristian. As I said before, he's a Christian who hates Christianity. 0.94
00:14:18.560 On a podcast in January, he said some atheists are more Christ-like than his Christian colleagues. 0.99
00:14:26.020 And I will grant the man this.
00:14:27.680 He knows his Bible, but his theology has one remarkable feature.
00:14:31.240 Every time on every issue, it lands exactly on the Democratic Party platform.
00:14:37.700 This is dangerous.
00:14:39.140 And when your faith never costs you a single vote with your own party, you should at least
00:14:43.020 consider the possibility that is the party doing the preaching and not Jesus himself.
00:14:49.980 And in fairness, because we work both sides of a fight on this program, as you'll soon learn
00:14:55.840 tonight, his opponent has not covered himself in theological glory either. Ken Paxson stood on a
00:15:01.060 stage and called him Low T. Tallarico. I like that. I've actually used that one myself. And 1.00
00:15:11.040 Paxson told the crowd, the man is a vegan who thinks God is non-binary. The non-binary quote 0.97
00:15:16.620 is real. The vegan part is false. Reporters checked in Tellurico's standing breakfast
00:15:22.180 orders of potato, egg, and cheese taco, not technically vegan, which might make him the
00:15:28.160 worst vegan in the state of Texas. So, and I'll be honest with you, Low-T Tellurico is funny.
00:15:33.300 It's a funny nickname. I laughed. I liked it. I've used a Low-T attack myself on some of my
00:15:40.820 opponents in the past. Ken Paxton may be down a wife who filed for divorce on biblical grounds,
00:15:46.980 but the man has not lost his fastball. So that's your ballot, Texas. A seminarian whose Bible
00:15:54.160 somehow always votes Democrat versus a man workshopping nicknames while his own wife
00:15:59.860 cites scripture in his divorce filing. So choose wisely. I will be watching from a safe distance
00:16:06.060 eating a taco how about that but a bunch it's a good it's a good one so put the whole board
00:16:14.000 together florida the establishment recruited a moderate and lost michigan the governor endorsed
00:16:18.680 against the guy who loves islam hates women if you love islam you hate women he's pro-sharia law 0.55
00:16:25.040 women get stoned under sharia law child marriage under sharia law he won you'll hear people say 0.98
00:16:30.780 i'm calling these candidates radical i didn't have to their own party spent tens of millions
00:16:34.560 of dollars trying to stop them. And their own party failed. That is the story of this midterm
00:16:40.660 and it is 50 days away from your ballot. When we come back, I take you somewhere the cameras
00:16:46.640 do not go. I'm going to actually tell you what it looks like from the inside.
00:16:50.760 welcome to the cloak room where i tell you what c-span cannot show you so this week um we're
00:17:10.640 gonna go there ai there's a big fight this weekend it started with elon musk uh dario amadei sam
00:17:17.600 Altman warning the world. And then there was the guy that left Claude, left Anthropic warning that
00:17:23.860 we were all going to die in the next 10 years because of AI. Okay. The Speaker Johnson wants
00:17:28.880 to bring it on the Hill. You've got Ro Khanna talking about it. Senator Ted Cruz talking about
00:17:34.440 it. Even the president talking about it. But President Trump is right. Whoever wins AI wins.
00:17:40.180 This is the fight of our times. This is like going nuclear. Whoever gets the nuclear bomb first
00:17:47.520 wins. AI is the nuclear bomb. It is the modern day nuclear bomb. All these AI companies release
00:17:55.340 this stuff open source, which should have been your first clue this was bad because Iran's using 0.84
00:18:00.440 open source to manage their missiles. Russia's using it. China. All of our enemies are using
00:18:06.200 open source. And here we are, the top three AI, some would argue these AI companies have cornered
00:18:12.600 the AI market. They benefit, by the way. You got to look at this through both lenses. The
00:18:17.060 companies that are complaining about the pace of AI are the ones to benefit from the regulation of
00:18:22.160 AI because they've cornered the market. But if we pause AI the way that these billionaires want us
00:18:28.860 to, we pause AI, China's going to eat our lunch. They are right on our heels. I know this because
00:18:36.100 I chair a committee on technology and AI in Congress on the House Oversight Committee.
00:18:40.720 I know what's going on. I know the traps. They want the government to tell them you got to have
00:18:45.620 a kill switch. You don't need the government to tell you to have a kill switch. These companies
00:18:50.000 should have it already. But whatever the U.S. does, it doesn't mean Iran's going to do it.
00:18:56.180 Whatever the U.S. does, it isn't going to stop China. Who's going to stop China?
00:19:00.860 This is so short-sighted. Is AI a threat? Absolutely. The biggest threat in AI right
00:19:07.360 now, which they are not talking about, is singularity. Technical or technological
00:19:12.980 singularity is when the AI can autonomously create AI. When that day happens, we're all
00:19:21.460 screwed, by the way. We're not just talking about job losses, technology advances, the internet
00:19:28.300 going down, the worst offensive in cyber that you could imagine. This is the reason we can't stop
00:19:37.600 because if we do, China's going to do everything 0.87
00:19:40.700 to bring down their enemies. 0.55
00:19:44.520 We're not their friends. 0.99
00:19:45.960 China wants world domination. 1.00
00:19:48.160 The best thing, easiest way for China 0.99
00:19:50.340 to get world domination is to win the AI race. 0.99
00:19:52.780 We can't allow it to happen,
00:19:54.900 which is why this is so important.
00:19:56.780 And stick with me here
00:19:57.780 because the moment that AI becomes autonomous,
00:20:02.960 the moment that AI programs itself,
00:20:05.160 could be the end of time. It's that serious. And we're not far away. Some would argue we're two
00:20:15.060 or three years away from that. But if we stop, who will stop China? Who will stop Iran? Who will 0.98
00:20:21.120 stop Russia? Nobody will. The EU tried to regulate AI a couple of years ago. This is pre-large
00:20:28.160 language model. They had no idea what was next with AI. They did all these regulations thinking
00:20:32.380 they were great. They stifled innovation. They stifled competition. AI pretty much hit pause.
00:20:39.280 Then you had large language models come about. Nobody thought about it. You don't know what you
00:20:45.040 don't know because the technology is advancing so fast. Then large language models came out
00:20:52.440 and there was no regulation for it. You just can't plan for this. But what we can plan is a win.
00:20:59.120 and by regulating it's not a win for america it's a win for china think think about this
00:21:05.260 and it's a win for the corner of the market to monopolize the market
00:21:09.380 which doesn't need to happen you and america needs to do america needs to own every single
00:21:15.660 piece of land that has rare earth minerals we need to process them here in the united states
00:21:22.860 We need to use our military bases overseas and here to process rare earth minerals so
00:21:28.200 we can own the chip market.
00:21:29.720 We don't have to rely on China because as soon as China turns off the chips, we're done
00:21:36.240 for.
00:21:37.040 We're out.
00:21:37.560 We're done.
00:21:38.480 We lose. 1.00
00:21:40.120 China can't win. 0.92
00:21:42.060 America must, must win. 1.00
00:21:46.000 All right.
00:21:47.080 Now our next segment is called The Tab.
00:21:52.860 time to open the tab the segment where we read the bill before we sign it imagine that i actually
00:22:03.280 read the bills in congress which apparently makes me a radical in dc maybe i'm a unicorn
00:22:08.340 the big ones especially at the convention in dallas this week president trump pledged
00:22:12.720 that if republicans win the midterms every american adult gets a five thousand dollar
00:22:18.220 check. My side, my party, my convention. So let's do what nobody on that stage
00:22:43.280 did and run the math on camera. And this might blow Howard Lutnick's mind, by the way, because
00:22:50.680 there are roughly 260 million adults in this country, 260 million times $5,000. That's about
00:22:58.220 $1.3 trillion with a capital T. I want you to feel what that number is made of. $5,000 a person.
00:23:07.860 That's a lot of money for someone making minimum wage at $8 an hour.
00:23:12.820 Now, the same week that that promise went out,
00:23:15.620 investors were dumping treasuries and bond yields hit their highest level since 2007,
00:23:20.340 and now they're talking about rate hikes.
00:23:22.660 And then Senator Ted Cruz came up with the brilliant idea
00:23:25.720 that the $5,000 check only should go to people who work.
00:23:30.660 But I think we should be incentivizing work.
00:23:32.640 I don't think we should be paying people that are not working.
00:23:35.980 great message for the midterms ted because you're you're leaving off seniors who can't afford the
00:23:44.080 homes they live in they bought for retirement are being pushed out they can't live on fifteen
00:23:49.580 hundred dollars a month from social security or the moms who decided to stay home to raise the
00:23:55.760 kids support their husbands who are working what about them terrible message for seniors and for
00:24:00.840 women. But the real honest answer is no one's getting a $5,000 check. It's not coming from
00:24:06.380 the treasury. It's not coming from tariffs. Kat Tenth did a tweet this weekend educating people
00:24:14.660 about tariffs. We've only got a couple hundred billion in tariffs, which the Supreme Court has 0.69
00:24:20.680 said has to be remanded back somewhere. Nowhere near a trillion dollars is what this would cost.
00:24:27.800 What are we going to do? Borrow money from China to pay for $5,000 checks? More debt?
00:24:36.860 No, I spoke with voters this weekend about it. They're incensed about it. They don't like it.
00:24:41.240 They don't want it. They'd rather take that $1.3 trillion and pay down the debt or give it back
00:24:46.580 to them in a tax refund, potentially. Childcare tax credit, however. But that means the people
00:24:54.200 who lend American money are already nervous about the tab we already have, seeing the markets the
00:24:58.760 way that they are. But this would put another trillion dollars on that same tab. Now, some of
00:25:03.760 you are mad at me for saying this right now, so let me earn it all the way. In 2021, when Joe Biden
00:25:10.600 mailed out $1,400 checks, Mitch McConnell called it a grand socialist experiment. Let me say that
00:25:18.180 again. Borrowing from our grandkids to do socialism for rich people is a terrible way to get help
00:25:24.040 to families who actually need it. Kevin McCarthy, former Speaker Kevin McCarthy,
00:25:30.140 said it would turn us into Venezuela. Every House Republican voted no, and I was one of them.
00:25:36.360 Somebody needs to tell me with a straight face what we're calling a $5,000 check,
00:25:41.580 because the checkbook cannot tell the difference between a blue signature
00:25:44.660 and a red one. If $1,400 was Venezuela and socialism a few years ago, I have questions
00:25:53.000 about what a $5,000 check actually is.
00:25:59.900 I have questions, don't you?
00:26:01.300 $2,000 was socialism for rich people.
00:26:04.060 So what is $5,000?
00:26:06.020 Is it a dividend?
00:26:07.260 Somebody explain the exchange rate to me.
00:26:10.500 I want us to win in November.
00:26:12.080 I desperately want us to win. 1.00
00:26:13.460 We can't have Angie Nixon, Abdul El-Sayed. 1.00
00:26:16.160 We can't have the next Momdani winning. 0.94
00:26:18.360 I want us to win telling you the truth.
00:26:21.360 those two things cannot be in conflict or we deserve to lose. That's the tab. Somebody has
00:26:28.680 to pay it and you already know who that is. Here are the rules. Rule number one, when a politician
00:26:34.260 promises you free money, find out who's money. Spoiler, it was your money the whole time. That's 0.63
00:26:42.320 the entire trick. It works every election and it works on both teams. Don't fall for the trick.
00:26:49.760 we're now going to shift. And I want to tell you upfront so nobody gets whiplash. My cute jokes
00:26:57.940 stop here. The next two segments are serious and I'm going to treat them that way. This is Railroaded.
00:27:09.860 And it's about a man in Massachusetts whose name I won't say because keeping his name out of it is
00:27:16.180 the entire point of this? A week ago, the Lindsey Clancy trial ended in a mistrial. The jury
00:27:22.020 deadlocked. Well, one juror deadlocked the jury. There's a hearing on September 29th to sort out
00:27:29.200 what happens next. And I'm not here tonight to argue the verdict question. The segment isn't
00:27:35.520 about whether the holdout juror was right. Okay. The holdout juror was absolutely a hundred percent.
00:27:43.160 he was 100 right this was murder this was a serial killing three kids are dead after the
00:27:49.640 mistrial a fellow juror went on television identified the holdout as the only black
00:27:54.680 member of the jury i'm curious about the juries themselves because we know it was
00:27:59.000 nine women three men what was the age range what was the racial makeup i haven't heard any of that
00:28:04.660 WHAT WAS IT?
00:28:06.660 70-ish to 22.
00:28:09.660 AND ONE PERSON OF COLOR AND
00:28:13.660 THEN EVERYBODY ELSE WAS WHITE.
00:28:18.660 A LOT OF THE JURORS HAD
00:28:20.660 CHILDREN.
00:28:21.660 ONE PERSON OF COLOR WAS A
00:28:23.660 PERSON OF COLOR A WOMAN OR A
00:28:25.660 MAN? 0.64
00:28:26.660 A MAN.
00:28:27.660 A MAN. 1.00
00:28:29.660 IS A HOLDOUT JUROR A BLACK 0.97
00:28:32.660 A black man is a holdout juror? 0.99
00:28:34.360 Yes. 1.00
00:28:36.360 Well, I have to sit with that for just a second.
00:28:39.640 And then a major Boston news operation went to work on doxing this man.
00:28:44.280 They contacted his family.
00:28:45.800 They contacted his former wife.
00:28:47.340 They contacted his landlord, his employer.
00:28:49.340 They pulled his personal court records.
00:28:51.380 And the only reason you don't know his name is that the court keeps the jury list sealed.
00:28:56.440 I'm not going to repeat one word of what they claim they dug up
00:29:00.000 because repeating it finishes the job that they started.
00:29:03.580 They didn't go out and dox the other jurors who have criminal records, by the way.
00:29:07.360 He wasn't the only one, allegedly.
00:29:09.000 This man didn't volunteer.
00:29:10.240 He was summoned.
00:29:10.780 He sat for weeks through the worst evidence a human being could ask to hear in a case
00:29:16.000 about the death of three young kids.
00:29:18.120 He deliberated and he voted his conscience.
00:29:20.880 That's not a malfunction of the jury system.
00:29:23.020 That is the jury system.
00:29:24.480 It's the whole job description.
00:29:27.260 You can believe he got it wrong, and you can still see that this cannot stand, because
00:29:32.300 the next 12 jurors are watching. If the lesson of this case is that voting the unpopular way gets
00:29:37.900 your family called, gets you doxed, gets your past printed in the newspaper, then no honest person
00:29:45.320 can ever safely serve on a hard case or a publicized case again because you'll be outed.
00:29:51.520 You'll be doxed if you vote against the mob, if you vote against the cult, if you vote against
00:29:56.300 the left, and every future juror holdout knows the price in advance. This is very dangerous.
00:30:03.200 Massachusetts law makes it a crime to intimidate, harass, or retaliate against a juror.
00:30:08.880 That statute exists for this exact very moment, and even Kevin Reddington's wife got in on it
00:30:15.420 on social media, and yet we're watching the left dox the long holdout juror in real time
00:30:22.320 regardless of the law. I've spent my time in Congress writing laws to stop people's private
00:30:27.780 lives from being turned into weapons against them. I did it for victims of abuse, victims of voyeurism,
00:30:35.000 victims of assault, victims of rape. And I'll say the same thing here. We conscript 12 strangers
00:30:40.880 to sit in judgment because we don't trust the government to do it alone. If the price of an
00:30:45.820 unpopular jury verdict is your family getting called by the press, your past dredged up on
00:30:51.980 social media and your landlord on the news, no honest man ever holds out again. And that's the
00:30:58.680 point. That man was railroaded. This is the docket. Tonight, it's here at home in Horry County,
00:31:12.360 South Carolina, my home state. One rule before we start, I need you to hold me to it. You're
00:31:21.960 is doing real work. This case has not been adjudicated yet in any civil court. And so
00:31:29.100 we are, we're using the word alleged. Okay. Cause none of it, some of what I'm about to show you
00:31:35.000 is documented on video. Yes. And audio. Some of it is accusation in a lawsuit that no judge and
00:31:40.760 no jury has tested yet. And I will tell you which is which every single time. That's my promise to
00:31:46.140 you. But on September 9th, 2023, a man named Scott Spivey was 33 years old, an insurance adjuster,
00:31:52.800 and was driving his truck up Highway 9 headed home. And I'm going to give you the whole record,
00:31:57.240 including the parts his family probably doesn't wish were true, because you deserve all of it
00:32:01.700 before you sit in judgment of this case. And this story doesn't need either side sanitized, okay?
00:32:07.620 Witnesses that day reported erratic driving. More than one said he displayed a handgun. His blood
00:32:13.300 alcohol was later reported at 0.13 and we need to go there because there needs to be a real debate
00:32:18.880 on how his alcohol levels were tested by the way because that matters here they weren't tested
00:32:24.800 right away his body was still left in a truck driven 25 miles away and I'm told was in a
00:32:31.840 condition that that could have exacerbated the alcohol level because of how long they waited
00:32:37.820 in the condition of the body when they waited and those facts are central to the original ruling
00:32:42.340 that this was self-defense and they're real.
00:32:47.480 Here's what else is real.
00:32:48.880 Arrest on an owner named Weldon Boyd
00:32:51.040 with a passenger whose last name is Williams
00:32:53.120 followed Scott Spivey for roughly nine miles.
00:32:56.760 Evidence later presented in court
00:32:58.080 put speeds above 100 miles an hour.
00:33:00.760 Boyd called 911 himself and on that call,
00:33:03.460 he told the dispatcher that if Spivey aimed a gun again, 0.98
00:33:06.020 quote, we're gonna have to shoot him. 1.00
00:33:09.900 We're going to have to shoot him. 1.00
00:33:12.340 he told the 9-1-1 dispatcher. Spivey turned right onto Camp Swamp Road, the road toward his own 0.99
00:33:19.520 house. Boyd's stated destination was straight ahead. Boyd decided to turn right and follow
00:33:25.060 Spivey. Minutes later, Scott Spivey was dead, and Boyd and Williams had both fired, allegedly.
00:33:30.100 Neither of them had a scratch. Both said were self-defense. Neither man has ever been charged
00:33:34.340 with a crime, and both maintained that to this day they acted lawfully. Who fired first is
00:33:39.040 genuinely disputed. And what the docket is about tonight is what police did next. By two in the
00:33:44.240 morning, the lead detective's initial report already described the shooting as appearing
00:33:47.900 justified. And then piece by piece over three years, over the last three years, the frame fell
00:33:52.960 apart. Fact one documented on body camera, Sergeant at the scene, Damon Biscoe, wrote five words on a
00:33:59.840 yellow legal pad and held it up for Boyd and Williams to see. The words were act like a victim
00:34:05.080 camera. He checked whether another officer's camera was running first. He angled his own away.
00:34:11.340 His own body camera caught the note anyway. Let's put it on the screen. Let people read it. An
00:34:16.040 independent journalist named Beth Brayden found that moment buried in hours of footage almost
00:34:20.760 two years later. The department later fired Viscovi for policy violations. Boyd, for his part,
00:34:27.700 has said he didn't know the officer, wishes he had never been shown the note, and thinks the
00:34:31.560 officer may have been trying to calm him down. I wish he had never done that. Was it a surprise to
00:34:36.980 you that some officer you don't know showed you this note? I didn't know what he meant, but I was
00:34:44.320 totally dumbfounded by it. I mean, what do you say to that? What do you do to that? Act like a victim?
00:34:50.020 I mean, I am a victim. I'm sitting here at a scene where someone just tried to shoot me and we had
00:34:55.560 to shoot back and you walk up and you just flash that at me and then I I mean immediately I knew
00:35:02.140 this was bad because I didn't ask for that. That is his answer and now you have it. Let's put it
00:35:12.020 on screen again for the people to read. Let's see that and hats off to Beth Brayden with True
00:35:18.980 Sunlight Podcast for finding that. Fact two documented Scott Spivey's truck was towed roughly
00:35:24.500 25 miles to a county facility with his body still inside it. A crime scene investigator testified
00:35:30.700 she'd never seen that in her six years on the job. Former South Carolina coroners told the Wall
00:35:36.080 Street Journal it was not normal practice to do that and the county's explanation was that rain
00:35:40.660 threatened the evidence. His parents say they later had to watch video of their son's body
00:35:45.580 being thrown around inside that truck as it was unloaded. Their lawsuit says officers on camera
00:35:51.040 discussed making sure the family was never told his body had been moved that way. That last part
00:35:56.740 is an allegation, and it's one that I can't get out of my head. Fact three documented, and this is
00:36:03.200 the part that turned a bad investigation into a scandal. Weldon Boyd's phone automatically
00:36:09.580 recorded his own calls. Man, I wish I had that app on my phone. I'd like to know what it was.
00:36:14.440 About 90 of those recordings ended up in a police file that Scott's sister obtained by subpoena.
00:36:20.180 She opened them at our kitchen table one day, and on those recordings is the deputy chief of police, Brandon Strickland, a personal friend of Boyd, the shooter, in his own voice, while his department investigated his friend for a killing.
00:36:34.320 I got the people coming that I need to come, he said, working, quote, in the shadows, in the shadows.
00:36:41.680 The detective is, quote, a good old boy.
00:36:44.220 You were, quote, taken care of, predicting on tape that the case would be closed by, quote, the end of the week, easily.
00:36:49.440 unless they ran extra weapon testing to determine and this is word for word who won the prize of
00:36:55.460 killing scott spivey the prize that's what they called him and then this about the man his friend
00:37:00.960 had just shot i'm just glad it was a white guy brandon where you at under my house can you come 0.95
00:37:07.300 to can you come to camp swamp road off of nine like as fast as possible i had to shoot somebody 0.54
00:37:14.400 This was the phone call restaurant owner Weldon Boyd made to former Horry County Deputy Chief Brandon Strickland following a deadly shootout between Boyd and Scott Spivey.
00:37:24.360 It happened on September 9th, 2023, while the two traveled separately on Highway 9, then turned on to Camp Swamp Road.
00:37:31.500 The incident was ruled self-defense and Boyd was never charged.
00:37:35.040 And the detectives who met with you last night was Alan Jones, right?
00:37:39.160 I think so, yeah.
00:37:40.660 Yeah, country guy.
00:37:41.860 Good old boy.
00:37:42.860 Good old boy. Well, that's who I sent out there, and I called the captain over investigation and told him who you were, and my next call was to Jamie Richardson.
00:37:51.360 Strickland does tell Boyd in the calls to talk to his attorney, and though he couldn't be there physically.
00:37:56.740 I was in the shadows last night. I weren't there, but I was in the shadows. You were taken care of.
00:38:03.120 Surprise, end of the week easily. Glad it was a white guy. 0.95
00:38:07.340 sit with those words for a minute a deputy chief of police calling a dead man a prize and relieved
00:38:13.500 about the victim's race because he knew the scrutiny would have been far worse had it been
00:38:18.640 a black man he said all of it out loud because he was certain no one would ever hear it he didn't
00:38:23.040 know he was being recorded strickland sighed because this show gives you both his lawyer says
00:38:27.900 those statements were bluster that he recused himself never went to the scene and influenced
00:38:33.220 to nothing the department has said the detective was already up on the on-call rotation strickland
00:38:38.480 left the department of security as scrutiny intensified and after the new lawsuit was
00:38:43.400 filed this week his lawyer called it inflammatory rubbish and said the officers will be vindicated
00:38:47.780 in court that may be that's what courts are for which brings us to this week on september 8th
00:38:53.720 three years to the week after the shooting scott spivey's family filed a federal civil rights
00:38:58.140 lawsuit in Florence and South Carolina, 14 defendants, the county, the former chief,
00:39:03.020 the former deputy chief, and 11 more officers and supervisors. Boyd and Williams are not
00:39:07.640 defendants in this case. The lawsuit is aimed entirely at the local government in South Carolina.
00:39:13.420 The lawsuit alleges widespread intentional mishandling of the investigation into Spivey's
00:39:19.020 death starting just minutes after the shooting and going through this year. The Spivey family
00:39:24.400 hopes when the lawsuit is done, it causes widespread change in policing here in Horry County.
00:39:29.860 The lawsuit makes more than 50 allegations of, quote, coordinated misuse of law enforcement
00:39:36.760 authorities, specifically naming 13 officers. Of those 13, we've confirmed 10 still work at HCPD.
00:39:44.880 Two of the officers even testified at this year's Stand Your Ground hearings for Weldon Boyd and
00:39:50.460 Kenneth Williams. The allegations include mishandling evidence at the scene of the
00:39:54.720 shooting, officers failing to separate witnesses upon arrival, and turning off their body-worn
00:40:00.660 cameras. The complaint alleges, and every single word of this next part is an allegation,
00:40:07.140 that commanders held a meeting two days after the shooting and set the direction of the
00:40:10.960 investigation, that officers were told to be nice to Boyd and Williams, that cameras were
00:40:15.560 deliberately shut off, that phones and a tablet that may have recorded the shooting were left in
00:40:20.700 the shooter's hands instead of being seized under a warrant. He did ask you to delete Facebook
00:40:25.720 messages, right? He did. And based on his instruction, you did that, correct? I did.
00:40:35.120 The tablet was in the truck at night of the incident, right? It was mounted on the dash
00:40:40.120 That bar surveillance footage was selectively cut to make Spivey look worse, that evidence
00:41:07.640 was mislabeled so it could not be found, that the crime scene log went missing for two years,
00:41:13.200 that pills were planted in Spivey's truck through an unsealed rear window, and that his body was
00:41:18.060 left in the heat in a way that inflated the toxicology report. On the pills, the heat,
00:41:22.540 and the tablet, I want to be straight with you, no public forensic finding establishes
00:41:25.980 any of those three. They are claims, they are allegations, and discovery exists to test those
00:41:31.740 claims, and now for the first time there will be discovery to test them. Two things have already
00:41:36.300 been decided by a judge, so you know this is not just a family's theory. In February, after a four-day
00:41:41.140 hearing, a judge denied Boyd and Williams' immunity from the family's wrongful death suit and said on
00:41:47.420 the record that he questioned Boyd's credibility. He also weighed evidence that Williams deleted
00:41:52.620 Facebook messages at Boyd's request and gave police false information. Denial of immunity is not a
00:41:59.320 finding of guilt. The wrongful death case is simply allowed to proceed, and it is. On the criminal's
00:42:04.780 the attorney general has referred the police conduct to an outside solicitor and a state
00:42:09.540 grand jury was impaneled in February. Grand juries are secret. There's no public result yet,
00:42:14.600 but it's a case you need to be closely watching. Why am I giving this case a full segment? Because
00:42:23.000 I have publicly demanded answers for this family before tonight and because every piece of it
00:42:28.380 was almost never found. Think about the chain. The note was caught by an independent journalist
00:42:34.040 re-watching body camera footage. The calls exist because a private citizen's phone happened to
00:42:38.580 record them. The file came out because a sister spent her Super Bowl Sunday alone at a kitchen
00:42:44.180 table with a flash drive. Take away any link in that chain and this case is still closed and the
00:42:52.160 official story is still the only story. A civilized state can't hide the truth and body camera laws
00:42:58.260 mean nothing if officers can turn those cameras off at the exact moments that it matters. Officer
00:43:03.420 are involved shooting should go to an outside agency by default, not by referral. Two years
00:43:08.040 later, an evidence standards need teeth because a chain of custody that includes a private garage
00:43:12.340 and an unsealed rear window is not a chain of custody at all. These are policy fights worth
00:43:18.840 having and the county says it doesn't comment on pending litigation. A spokesperson for Horry
00:43:23.560 County did not provide us with a comment on the allegations. Most of the named officers have not
00:43:29.200 yet responded in court and their silence is no admission. Service runs through December and we're
00:43:34.000 going to follow the docket every single day and when the defendants answer you'll hear the answers
00:43:38.660 in full. Scott Spivey was not a perfect man on September 9th, 2023. Nobody, nobody in this story
00:43:45.620 was. He was a citizen of South Carolina who deserved to live though and three years later
00:43:50.680 the question is no longer only who fired first. The question is whether the people we pay to find
00:43:55.960 out who fired first ever tried and that's the docket this is the show weeknights monday through
00:44:04.400 thursday at 8 p.m i'm in session this week so we went along we went long tonight and we'll cut the
00:44:09.960 program and re-air it each night segment by segment every segment you just watched goes up on its own
00:44:15.240 on a different day i'll cut it down just for your evening before you go to bed at night i'm an early
00:44:20.820 I go to bed early. Don't tell anybody, but I'm early to rise, too. So tell a friend who thinks
00:44:27.840 Congress is boring. It's not boring. And good night. Actually, not good night. One more thing,
00:44:35.260 because I promised you at the top, every claim in tonight's show has a source,
00:44:38.780 and we publish the whole fact table with the episode. You'll see it in the description and
00:44:43.700 in the comments. The complaint, the court record, the clips, the numbers, all of it linked. If
00:44:48.560 somebody tells you we got something wrong, ask them for their sources because we will show you
00:44:52.640 ours. Keep your receipts. We keep ours. Good night for real this time.
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