Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - September 11, 2019


#155 | HAPPY SEPTEMBER 11TH

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radicalization Lindsay
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Gavin McInnes
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Andrew WK Derek Beckles Jimmy Koo Ryan McGinley Ludlow Melissa Oftermar Jermaine Lindsay Steve Renazzisi Matt Sweeney Trump James Eha Richard Sawinski Saddam Hussein Heather Heyer Linda Sarsour Anthony Cumia Ilhan Omar Max Fish Hitler Diane and 44 more
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On this episode of Get Off My Lawn, host Alex Blumberg talks about the 9/11 attacks and how radical Islam was the most successful attack on U.S. soil ever carried out by Muslims, and how we forgot about it. He also asks the question, why is there so much attention paid to the West Side Highway, Heather Heyer, the Orlando shooting, the Pulse shooting, and the San Bernardino attack, but not to the attacks by radical Muslims? And why is it that we don t talk about radical Islam as much as we do about other terror attacks, like the attacks on Pearl Harbor and the attacks in London on 7/11/11? And how radicalized are radicalized terrorists? And what role did radical Islam play in those attacks, and why aren t we talking about them enough? Get off my lawn is a new show on the freespeechtv.tv channel. Get off My Lawn is a show about radical Muslims, radical Islam, and radical leftist ideas. Get On My Lawn is a podcast about radicalized Muslims and radicalism. and radicalized Americans. Subscribe to get a free copy of my new book, "Islamophobe" on Amazon Prime, wherever you get your bookshelf, your local bookstore, or your local library, or wherever else you can get a copy of the book, and get 20% off your copy of it for free! Get on My Lawn! Subscribe and Subscribe to my show on my show! Subscribe on Audible Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about me on my new show, Get On my Lawn on my Podcasts and subscribe on Podchaser, and listen to my podcast, and subscribe to my other social media platforms! I'm on Insta: . Learn more on my podcast on my other podcast, get my Freebie on Instapodcasts on my Insta on Instafed, Insta! and I'll be giving you a discount code: on my next episode on September 11th, September 11, 2019. I'll give you a chance to win a FREEbie on my upcoming episode on the next episode of the podcast Get Off The Lawn podcast! on September 15th, 2019, 2019! Thank you're getting a discount on my first episode on my second episode of my show, get it on the 31st, 2019 edition of the new podcast, Get My Lawn on the podcast

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00:00:00.000 Happy September 11th!
00:00:04.000 Too soon?
00:00:06.000 You know who did the most too soon joke on September 11th was Amy Sedaris.
00:00:12.000 She was dating Philip Seymour Hoffman at the time, and they were standing on their roof, they were watching the carnage, and he's looking at the Twin Towers on fire,
00:00:28.000 And, um, she's staring at him instead of watching.
00:00:32.000 And he goes, what are you doing?
00:00:36.000 And she looks at him and smiles and goes, thinking about us.
00:00:40.000 That was approximately 9 45 AM, September 11th.
00:00:45.000 And that was the first too soon joke of, I would say the most horrible event in America's history. 0.82
00:00:53.000 The most successful attack on our soil ever done by Muslims. 1.00
00:00:59.000 I was talking to a guy at the gym today who listens to this podcast about how it was an inside job.
00:01:05.000 We'll get to that.
00:01:06.000 But in this, actually, we'll get to that on my show on Get Off My Lawn on freespeech.tv.
00:01:12.000 But on this episode, I just want to go through that day, that night before.
00:01:21.000 And how consequential it was.
00:01:24.000 Pearl Harbor was about 2,000 people and September 11th was just under 3,000.
00:01:31.000 Pearl Harbor was fascist, that was the Japanese teamed up with Hitler and 9-11 was a radical Islam. 0.98
00:01:40.000 And we said never forget, and I would say we started forgetting on September 12th.
00:01:44.000 I remember going to Union Square in New York the next day, and there was all these people with signs that said, we want justice, not revenge.
00:01:54.000 Discouraging America from retaliating.
00:01:58.000 Now, I'm an isolationist, I don't like all these infinite wars in the Middle East, but after 9-11, I wanted a few bombs to go off.
00:02:06.000 I wanted Saudi Arabia to be punished. 0.96
00:02:09.000 I wanted...
00:02:11.000 I wanted Osama Bin Laden to be caught. 0.92
00:02:14.000 God that took a long ass time didn't it? 0.98
00:02:15.000 Eventually we split his head open though. 0.98
00:02:20.000 And then I think we just forgot.
00:02:21.000 I mean right now Islamophobia is a much bigger concern than radical Islam.
00:02:29.000 You talk to your average American liberal and their concern is that you might not love Muslims enough.
00:02:35.000 They don't talk about the West Side Highway, they talk about Charlottesville.
00:02:42.000 Look how much media attention, and especially in college, how much attention Heather Heyer gets, and how little attention the eight victims of the West Side Highway get, or the 89 victims in Orlando at the Pulse shooting, or the, sorry if these numbers are not perfectly accurate, the 14 deaths at Fort Hood.
00:03:04.000 That was just workplace violence.
00:03:06.000 San Bernardino.
00:03:07.000 What was that?
00:03:08.000 San Bernardino.
00:03:09.000 Was that like 39?
00:03:12.000 Muslims are 1% of the population.
00:03:15.000 Yet, when we look at these attacks, just sit in your armchair.
00:03:19.000 You don't have to filter through the news.
00:03:21.000 You don't have to go to Wikipedia.
00:03:22.000 Just think of all these different attacks.
00:03:25.000 And even strange one-person attacks like the beheading at that meatpacking plant.
00:03:31.000 Remember that story where that was Ohio or something?
00:03:34.000 Or what about these jihadist training camps?
00:03:37.000 Like Islamberg. 0.98
00:03:39.000 Or the other one where, was it New Mexico, where they found a four-year-old starved to death?
00:03:43.000 Total and utter media silence. 0.99
00:03:46.000 I'm in shit for saying things like that. 1.00
00:03:49.000 They have attention for Islamophobia. 1.00
00:03:52.000 Robert Spencer, not Richard, gets in shit for his book Islamophobe. 0.98
00:03:57.000 But you don't see a lot of attention to terrorist attacks. 0.98
00:04:01.000 Despite the World Trade Center collapsing on September 11th.
00:04:07.000 Why is that?
00:04:10.000 Is it because it's racist?
00:04:12.000 There's plenty of white Muslims.
00:04:14.000 What about the Sarnev brothers?
00:04:17.000 The Sarnev brothers were Boston.
00:04:19.000 They grew up pretty normal. 0.99
00:04:21.000 See, I think we have a lot of culpability in all of this because we have such self-hatred that when Muslims come to our country, and their parents could be relatively moderate, but they go to class and they hear these fat Marxist bitches, these boomer angry woman liberals, tell them that America sucks and it was built on slavery and it was stolen from the Indians. 1.00
00:04:43.000 Eventually they sort of go, yeah, fuck this place. 1.00
00:04:46.000 And then they become radicals. 1.00
00:04:47.000 This is especially true in Britain.
00:04:50.000 In fact, remember that series of bombings that happened?
00:04:54.000 There was on the bus, the double-decker bus, and there was also the train.
00:04:57.000 Remember that, Ryan?
00:04:58.000 What are you doing?
00:05:00.000 What are you looking at your phone for?
00:05:02.000 I'm multitasking.
00:05:03.000 What were you looking at your phone for?
00:05:05.000 I'm playing 2048.
00:05:05.000 You're playing a video game.
00:05:08.000 No, it's a puzzle thing.
00:05:10.000 Okay, please don't play a puzzle.
00:05:12.000 Please look up stuff.
00:05:13.000 Okay.
00:05:14.000 So just put your phone away, and I'm talking about the terror attacks in London with the bus and the subway, and you look at those those killers, those terrorists, those radicalized terrorists.
00:05:25.000 Actually, it's good that I have my computer because I'm better at your job than you are.
00:05:28.000 So I'm showing the picture to the podcast audience?
00:05:31.000 Yeah, that's why I asked you to look it up, because I want you to show pictures.
00:05:36.000 And you see a lot of Jamaicans in these terror groups. 1.00
00:05:40.000 Not a lot, but a fair smattering, and a lot of white dudes.
00:05:44.000 And that's because they see, what was it, July 7th, 2005? 0.97
00:05:50.000 Um, they see all this, the West sucks, it's evil, and they start going, yeah, he's right.
00:05:59.000 And then I look up, I look up the guys responsible and it's, it's a lot of Pakistanis, but then it's also these guys that they'll have their Muslim name, but you look up their original names and you go, wait a minute, you're a Jamaican dude. 0.91
00:06:11.000 You grew up playing soccer and your dad was going to get a Guinness at the pub.
00:06:16.000 And you realize we are so anti ourselves that not only do we radicalize moderate Muslims in our own country, of all races, but we pull in non-Muslims, like Jamaicans and white guys. 0.92
00:06:29.000 They want to jump aboard.
00:06:30.000 It's cool. 0.94
00:06:31.000 It's rebellious to want to kill people.
00:06:34.000 And then when you go, can you do something about this? 0.96
00:06:36.000 They go, well, we're actually focused on white nationalism.
00:06:39.000 I don't know if you know this, but Heather Heyer was killed in Charlottesville.
00:06:43.000 And you go, yeah, yeah, I actually did hear about that.
00:06:47.000 Isn't it funny that one of the names of the London Bombers is Mohammed Sadiq Khan?
00:06:54.000 It's not the Mayor Sadiq Khan.
00:06:56.000 It's a slightly different spelling. 0.96
00:06:59.000 Holy crap.
00:07:02.000 Now I have to find out that guy. 0.93
00:07:03.000 So anyway, I just wanted to go over my experience there.
00:07:06.000 Because it's kind of a bummer to talk about any other time but September 11th.
00:07:14.000 So, I will do it now, but now I'm determined to find that Jamaican guy.
00:07:20.000 What were their names?
00:07:22.000 Oh, here we go.
00:07:23.000 Yeah, I found him.
00:07:24.000 Jermaine Lindsay, that's his name.
00:07:26.000 G-E-R, Jermaine Lindsay.
00:07:29.000 Grew up a normal kid.
00:07:32.000 In London.
00:07:33.000 Hello, what are you doing?
00:07:34.000 Jamaican guy.
00:07:36.000 And he was radicalized.
00:07:37.000 Like, do you understand what I'm saying by demanding that we have some culpability here?
00:07:44.000 What's his biography?
00:07:46.000 Lindsay was born in Jamaica.
00:07:47.000 After moving to Britain at age five, he lived in Dalton, West Yorkshire, where he attended Rotherhope Junior High.
00:07:53.000 Subsequently moved to Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire.
00:07:58.000 He married a woman from Ireland in a tradition.
00:08:02.000 So he was radicalized, right?
00:08:04.000 And then he marries some white chick from Ireland and they both become radicals.
00:08:12.000 He converted to Islam at age 15 after moving to Aylesbury.
00:08:16.000 Anyway.
00:08:18.000 So, yes, there's plenty of conspiracy theories and globalists, but we would be remiss if we did not focus today on radical Islam and how we forgot.
00:08:31.000 I was down there at World Trade by O'Hara's.
00:08:34.000 It's a pub just off Liberty Street in lower Manhattan.
00:08:38.000 And it's by the memorial and it just says in big letters on a big giant brass plaque, never forget.
00:08:45.000 And I just thought, we forgot right after.
00:08:47.000 We're so concerned with Islamophobia that we embrace radical Islam. 1.00
00:08:52.000 That's really where we're at right now.
00:08:54.000 And the media turns a blind eye to any... We had Linda Sarsour running the Women's March! 1.00
00:09:00.000 Anyway, I didn't mean to make this.
00:09:01.000 This will be the show, the Get Off My Lawn.
00:09:04.000 I want to make this podcast just about the experience.
00:09:06.000 So, September 10th, 2001, Vice moved to New York in 99.
00:09:15.000 And we were doing pretty good.
00:09:18.000 We had tons of money.
00:09:19.000 There was an eccentric billionaire who moved us down there named Richard Sawinski.
00:09:24.000 We found out later that he allegedly was, uh, it was just running a giant pyramid scheme.
00:09:32.000 And he didn't have the money that he said he had.
00:09:34.000 The story I got was that he found this special effects company in Australia or New Zealand.
00:09:41.000 I think they're called Animalogic.
00:09:43.000 And he said, I'm going to invest in these guys.
00:09:45.000 They're really good at their jobs.
00:09:46.000 And then they ended up doing Jurassic Park.
00:09:48.000 And that was a huge landslide for him.
00:09:50.000 And then he had all this money.
00:09:52.000 And he was just blowing it on us.
00:09:53.000 I was making 80 grand a year back then, which is
00:09:57.000 Was unfathomable for a 29-year-old.
00:09:59.000 I think the previous year I was making like 15.
00:10:03.000 So we had money to burn.
00:10:05.000 By the way, this only lasted for maybe three years.
00:10:07.000 Then Vice went completely bankrupt.
00:10:09.000 He vanished. 0.99
00:10:10.000 We had to move to Williamsburg, which was a complete fucking dump at the time. 0.98
00:10:16.000 You couldn't get taxis to go there. 0.99
00:10:17.000 There were no ATMs.
00:10:19.000 You'd be talking to a guy and a Puerto Rican eight-year-old would hit him in the back of the head with a golf driver. 1.00
00:10:24.000 That actually happened to me.
00:10:25.000 And he was knocked out cold. 0.98
00:10:28.000 Like, it sucked. 0.99
00:10:29.000 It was Puerto Ricans fighting with Dominicans. 1.00
00:10:32.000 And there was like a smattering of gays and hipsters, but mostly the only white people you saw were crackheads. 0.99
00:10:39.000 Brutal crackhead junkies, too. 1.00
00:10:41.000 That the Hassids would fuck. 1.00
00:10:44.000 That was the curious part. 0.99
00:10:45.000 We had the, we, so Triple 5 Soul was like this sort of hip-hop clothing line, and they were on North 4th and Wythe, which is beautiful now.
00:10:54.000 It has a J.Crew on it.
00:10:56.000 And I think a Levi's store.
00:10:57.000 But back then it was just truckers and abandoned warehouses.
00:11:02.000 And we were in their storage room.
00:11:04.000 They put all their clothes in the back.
00:11:06.000 So they sort of gave us about 300 square feet, moved some boxes around, and there we were. 0.99
00:11:15.000 And I could see out the window on the second floor, I could see these disgusting crackhead whores. 1.00
00:11:21.000 Like one ski boot, one sock, lipstick on her face like a weird clown, her hair hand cut by herself, some other black dude named Jimmy, who was always shadowboxing. 0.99
00:11:32.000 I actually did crack with him once. 0.89
00:11:34.000 I walked out of work late at night, smoking crack, and I go, what are you doing there, Jimmy?
00:11:40.000 He apparently was a great boxer in his day.
00:11:42.000 I never got his last name.
00:11:44.000 He goes, oh, I'm doing something I shouldn't do, man.
00:11:46.000 I go, give me a hit on that.
00:11:47.000 And I smoked crack with him.
00:11:49.000 Then I went to some dance club and danced like a jitterbug that was being electrocuted.
00:11:55.000 And, uh, it was an alright buzz.
00:11:57.000 Nothing to write home about.
00:11:58.000 I don't see being addicted to it. 0.99
00:12:00.000 But, um, yeah, these disgusting crack whores would write in the lobby of the building, which was just a cement staircase. 1.00
00:12:08.000 And it would say, Miss you, my angels. 1.00
00:12:11.000 Mommy's coming home to you soon. 0.99
00:12:13.000 They'd write these love letters to their children, which I assume had been taken away because their mothers were disgusting crackheads. 1.00
00:12:19.000 Whores. 1.00
00:12:22.000 Is there a more meaningless gesture than writing with a sharpie to your beautiful children that you love, that you're coming back soon, like they're ever going to be in that hallway? 1.00
00:12:32.000 And as I was looking out the window, I'd see Hasidic Jews roll up in minivans, and truckers too. 0.99
00:12:38.000 A trucker would, I guess he'd be done a 12-hour shift, and he'd be like, I need a BJ, no frills.
00:12:43.000 Just basic Beej.
00:12:45.000 So truckers would pull up, and they'd jump in, and they would go down to one block, and then pull away no time at all later, five minutes later.
00:12:52.000 But the Hasids would do it too. 1.00
00:12:54.000 And I met a couple of Hasidic Jews.
00:12:56.000 I've been around Hasidic Jews since I moved out of my house at 18 and went to Montreal and lived in Mile End.
00:13:02.000 The three most dense places for Hasidic Jews is Mile End, Montreal, upstate New York, and Williamsburg, Brooklyn.
00:13:11.000 That's where I've been since 88.
00:13:14.000 So you get to meet some. 1.00
00:13:15.000 And I go, what is with the fucking the prostitutes, dude? 1.00
00:13:18.000 And he said, yeah, according to the Torah, it's not my interpretation, but some interpret it as saying that the goyim are not human. 1.00
00:13:26.000 And so you're just having sex with a blow up doll. 0.99
00:13:29.000 So it's not really a sin. 0.99
00:13:31.000 Okay.
00:13:32.000 Still sounds pretty sinful to me. 0.99
00:13:34.000 And by the way, we saw the Bill Burr special last night and there's a big long thing about fucking robots, just like Whitney Cummings routine. 0.99
00:13:44.000 And I fucking hated it. 1.00
00:13:45.000 I hate robots. 1.00
00:13:46.000 I don't know why people are talking about robots all the time, like they're ever going to exist.
00:13:49.000 So that kind of ruined it for me, but otherwise it was very good.
00:13:52.000 Anyway, so that's the sort of, this is just before we had to go to Williamsburg.
00:13:57.000 So we're still rich.
00:14:00.000 Things are still crazy.
00:14:01.000 We just discovered Andrew WK.
00:14:04.000 I had just discovered Andrew WK. 0.99
00:14:06.000 Andrew WK was a silly nerd. 0.96
00:14:11.000 It's deceiving to look at him because he's, as the British magazine NME wrote, he has runway model looks with mile-high cheekbones. 1.00
00:14:21.000 That's the British fucking music press for you. 0.98
00:14:26.000 So he looks deceiving. 0.99
00:14:27.000 And he's not really a partier.
00:14:29.000 Like, he's a very enthusiastic person that really genuinely cares about people and wants to get involved.
00:14:35.000 He's a hard worker.
00:14:36.000 But I've never seen him wasted.
00:14:38.000 I've seen him smoke a lot of pot.
00:14:40.000 But I've never seen him, like, do a rail of coke or anything.
00:14:44.000 He sort of is into partying.
00:14:45.000 You know the way kids and people with Down Syndrome are into partying?
00:14:48.000 Like, we love parties!
00:14:50.000 He's that kind of guy.
00:14:51.000 Great guy, smarter than me, much more talented.
00:14:54.000 I'm not disparaging him.
00:14:55.000 It's just he's not what you think.
00:14:57.000 If you look at really old pictures of him, you'll see him wearing like a white leather jacket and you realize, oh, I get it.
00:15:04.000 You're like an art kid.
00:15:06.000 Like he used to work at Kim's video store.
00:15:09.000 Which, which had all these really rare indie flicks.
00:15:12.000 That's what he is.
00:15:14.000 When I discovered him, he was at Gavin Brown Gallery, which was sort of this hipster art gallery.
00:15:19.000 And he was, uh, he'd have a ghetto blaster playing his songs and he would sing over top of them and be banging his head and freaking out. 0.79
00:15:25.000 So it was almost like a parody of rock.
00:15:27.000 The guy's very sensitive too.
00:15:29.000 So I feel like he's going to hear this and think I'm saying he's a joke and then be really pissed off and never speak to me again.
00:15:35.000 Like one time I said, I made fun of Meatloaf and he didn't speak to me for like a year.
00:15:43.000 Anyway, it was Derek Beckles, who's got a show on Adult Swim, Matt Sweeney, who plays guitar with Iggy Pop now, Andrew WK, and Melissa Oftermar.
00:15:58.000 She's called Oftermar now, but she was in Hole for a while.
00:16:04.000 And I knew her from Montreal.
00:16:05.000 I knew her when she was a little kid.
00:16:06.000 She was the daughter of a politician.
00:16:08.000 And she used to DJ at this club called Biff Tech. 0.78
00:16:10.000 So I knew her since she was at the bar illegally at 16. 1.00
00:16:15.000 Total hippy-dippy astrology chick. 0.99
00:16:17.000 Really into, like, Scorpio is rising, which I fucking hate. 0.98
00:16:21.000 But we've known each other for so long, I have a deep seat of respect for her. 0.88
00:16:25.000 She's cool.
00:16:26.000 We just avoid topics like astrology.
00:16:27.000 So it was a fun night.
00:16:31.000 And I got an interesting letter recently where they go, you used to hang out with celebrities and then in post Trump, you don't know any anymore.
00:16:37.000 The fact that they were famous was totally irrelevant to me.
00:16:41.000 I was in a magazine.
00:16:42.000 I was running a magazine.
00:16:43.000 So I tended to, to be around people that were in magazines, but, uh, their personalities were had nothing.
00:16:51.000 There were no different from the old geezers. 1.00
00:16:53.000 I hang out with at happy hour at my local.
00:16:57.000 Famous people are not more dynamic than non-famous people.
00:17:00.000 I hate to break it to you.
00:17:01.000 In fact, they're often much more boring.
00:17:05.000 Anyway, we're doing karaoke, me and Derek.
00:17:10.000 Derek and I were incredibly fun.
00:17:12.000 Andrew is a good guy, but he's not a crazy partier.
00:17:15.000 Melissa's kind of quiet.
00:17:17.000 And Matt Sweeney has just been partying for so long that it's not a party to him anymore.
00:17:23.000 Like when you karaoke with him and you're doing coke and jumping off the seats and pissing everywhere and getting kicked out.
00:17:30.000 For him, that's like you and I going to get a coffee at Starbucks.
00:17:34.000 So while we were singing karaoke, he'd be worried about your cadence.
00:17:38.000 And he'd be like, all right, if you're doing the boss, you really got to come out from the diaphragm.
00:17:44.000 Got to be a lot lower and a bit raspier.
00:17:46.000 And I'd be like, meet me tonight in Atlantic City.
00:17:50.000 And he'd be with his hand sort of making a level kind of a thing.
00:17:56.000 I can't do it now.
00:17:56.000 It looks a little bit like a Zieg Heil.
00:17:58.000 He'd be sort of like going, no, no, up, up, up.
00:18:00.000 Yeah, down, down.
00:18:02.000 Yep.
00:18:02.000 Steady, steady.
00:18:02.000 Yep.
00:18:03.000 Got it.
00:18:03.000 Got it.
00:18:04.000 Like coaching the karaoke.
00:18:08.000 And so that was September, that was September 10th and September 11th.
00:18:14.000 The clock struck midnight.
00:18:16.000 And it was really fun in these booths.
00:18:18.000 Another sort of a crew we would hang out with where it was a younger group that was not famous but much more fun was Ryan McGinley, Dash Snow, Dan Colon, Sam Sagalnick.
00:18:29.000 They're on the cover of New York Mag.
00:18:31.000 I think it said the kids are all right.
00:18:33.000 If you look at all Ryan's old Polaroid stuff, that was that crew.
00:18:36.000 They would shoplift a lot.
00:18:38.000 And clothes, expensive clothes, which was called racking.
00:18:42.000 So they called their little crew I-rack, I-steel.
00:18:46.000 And they would get tattoos of Saddam Hussein and stuff like that.
00:18:49.000 Kind of ironic, right?
00:18:50.000 That Saddam ended up getting bombed the next day. 0.93
00:18:55.000 Or soon after.
00:18:58.000 And Derek was visiting from Toronto. 0.94
00:19:01.000 We're having a gay old time. 0.94
00:19:03.000 And we're jumping around. 0.87
00:19:04.000 I've got pictures of it.
00:19:06.000 We're jumping on the chairs.
00:19:07.000 We used to just totally trash these karaoke rooms.
00:19:11.000 Because, you know, New York gets packed and you can't really talk to each other or hang out with each other because the bars get shoulder to shoulder.
00:19:20.000 So we'd rent these karaoke rooms and just sing karaoke songs and get good at it.
00:19:27.000 Get good at it, if you will.
00:19:30.000 Um, you know, you keep practicing singing and you get kind of good.
00:19:33.000 And those other, Melissa, Andrew, and Matt are professional musicians.
00:19:38.000 So some of the songs are pretty good.
00:19:40.000 I remember James Eha was there once.
00:19:42.000 Actually, speaking of celebs, James Eha of Smashing Pumpkins, the Asian dude with the blonde hair. 0.82
00:19:47.000 He's one of the few celebrities you meet where you go, well, this guy's actually an awesome dude in and of his own right.
00:19:52.000 He's really funny and he's a brawler.
00:19:56.000 He's sparse.
00:19:57.000 He's a great boxer. 1.00
00:19:59.000 Who would have thunk James Ehaw could kick your ass? 1.00
00:20:04.000 Another fun dude that's famous, Steven Merchant. 1.00
00:20:06.000 Ricky Gervais' sidekick.
00:20:08.000 Really interesting guy.
00:20:09.000 Funny dude.
00:20:10.000 Great to hang out with.
00:20:14.000 So we're partying that night.
00:20:16.000 And I just started dating my girlfriend, who's now my wife.
00:20:18.000 She wasn't around that night.
00:20:19.000 I think she went home early.
00:20:22.000 And we head back to my place.
00:20:23.000 We probably go to bed four or five.
00:20:27.000 And I had an apartment above the bar Max Fish on Ludlow.
00:20:31.000 127 Ludlow, I think.
00:20:36.000 I believe it's exactly three miles from World Trade.
00:20:40.000 and uh we get in there he falls asleep on the couch it was just really a tiny tiny tiny living room and a bedroom and then an unimaginably small kitchen it was like when you see those Tokyo apartments and you can't believe a human lives there it was that like you could almost if you stretch your arms out you could almost touch both sides of my living room and then my bedroom was just my small bed nothing else but 0.98
00:21:04.000 Back then, being in Manhattan was the best possible way to get pussy. 1.00
00:21:09.000 It's actually how I got my wife. 1.00
00:21:11.000 Being in Williamsburg was a death sentence.
00:21:14.000 You'd get a girl and you'd say, all right, you want to go back to my place? 0.99
00:21:14.000 No, thank you. 0.99
00:21:18.000 Sure.
00:21:18.000 Do you want to cross the Williamsburg bridge after we try for 15 minutes to get a taxi?
00:21:25.000 No, thank you.
00:21:26.000 I don't feel like going on a road trip with you.
00:21:29.000 It's only like 10, 15 minutes away, but at four in the morning in New York City, no.
00:21:34.000 And in L.A.
00:21:35.000 at the time, now I think they only care about a Prius, but in L.A.
00:21:38.000 at the time, it was all about your car.
00:21:40.000 And of course you're gonna go on a 30 minute trip, no matter where you are.
00:21:43.000 But if you show up in like a BMW 3 Series, you were good.
00:21:47.000 Manhattanites never cared about cars, obviously, they don't have one.
00:21:51.000 You're kind of seen as a doofus if you have a car, because you're paying 250 bucks for your parking garage.
00:21:57.000 But if you could say, want to go upstairs?
00:21:59.000 I live walking distance.
00:22:02.000 Well, that's like being the singer of Guns N' Roses.
00:22:07.000 So I could say to girls at Max Fish, do you want to come upstairs?
00:22:09.000 And I was right upstairs.
00:22:11.000 Right up the stairs.
00:22:13.000 Remember one time I wrote a bad review about Paul Sevenni's DJing skills?
00:22:18.000 That's Chloe Sevenni's brother.
00:22:20.000 And I said, they ought to call him DJ Chloe Sevenni's brother.
00:22:23.000 That was pretty good.
00:22:24.000 Really?
00:22:25.000 I got to know him since.
00:22:26.000 He's a good guy.
00:22:27.000 But he wanted to kill me after that, and he knew where my building was. 0.85
00:22:31.000 So he got in through the front door, and I'm sitting there once with a chick, nude, and I just hear, Kevin! 1.00
00:22:39.000 I'm gonna fucking kill you! 1.00
00:22:42.000 Where are you? 1.00
00:22:43.000 And he was going up and down the stairs, trying to find me.
00:22:46.000 And I'm sitting there looking through the peephole, completely naked, wondering if it's time for some nude MMA. 1.00
00:22:54.000 But I'm a lover, not a fighter, so I fucked her instead. 1.00
00:22:57.000 And he found his way home. 0.99
00:23:00.000 So we go home, go to bed, and then my gal is banging on the door at, I'd say, 9, 10 a.m.
00:23:09.000 And she goes, uh, turn on the news!
00:23:11.000 Which is a wonderful song by Husker Du on the album Zen Arcade.
00:23:16.000 With all the ways of communicating, we can't touch with the who we're hating.
00:23:22.000 You'll see that I haven't karaoke'd in a while and I've lost that skill.
00:23:28.000 Um.
00:23:29.000 So we turn on the news, and there's just a fire in World Trade.
00:23:35.000 Oh, that's it.
00:23:43.000 Keep going.
00:23:44.000 The chorus is coming.
00:23:45.000 Turn on!
00:23:57.000 Turn on the news.
00:23:59.000 Um, so, uh, we turn on the news and it's not a big deal.
00:24:05.000 I mean, it's kind of a big deal.
00:24:06.000 There's a very big fire in world trade. 0.99
00:24:09.000 Okay, that sucks.
00:24:11.000 I hope everyone's okay. 0.78
00:24:12.000 Probably some sort of electrical problem.
00:24:15.000 And, uh, this continues for a while and then we, we hear, we hear that a plane had been hijacked.
00:24:23.000 And then they say a plane crashed into the World Trade Center.
00:24:26.000 Your brain just doesn't believe that when they hear it. 1.00
00:24:28.000 It sounds like a theory, a stupid theory. 1.00
00:24:31.000 There's a fire in world trade. 1.00
00:24:32.000 There's a problem with a plane.
00:24:34.000 You're conflating the two.
00:24:36.000 I don't think you know what you're doing.
00:24:39.000 So we go out onto the roof.
00:24:41.000 This is Ludlow just below Houston Street.
00:24:44.000 And we see the smoke is filling up the whole sky.
00:24:47.000 Like it just keeps going and going and going.
00:24:50.000 And the smoke was coming towards us.
00:24:51.000 The wind was going that way.
00:24:52.000 So it looked even more dramatic as it sort of filled the sky above us.
00:24:57.000 And so we would vacillate from running up the stairs and watching it live, the fire, to going downstairs and turning on the TV.
00:25:04.000 No phones worked.
00:25:05.000 Our cell phones didn't work.
00:25:08.000 And we were slowly putting the pieces together and then we get up there and we have a kind of a flippant attitude about it.
00:25:15.000 I had planned a photo shoot that day for Vice Magazine where I had rented a stand-up white limousine and all the clothes I got were white and then I bought a bunch of blonde wigs.
00:25:27.000 So it's going to be kind of a cool aesthetic in this tall white limousine driving around with everyone wearing all white with blonde hair.
00:25:33.000 It would look kind of freaky, like outer spacey.
00:25:36.000 I was looking forward to it.
00:25:38.000 And my girlfriend was in it actually.
00:25:39.000 So I thought, we'll just do that later on.
00:25:42.000 Like my day was still going to be normal.
00:25:44.000 This isn't a big deal.
00:25:46.000 And then we're standing there and we see another plane coming to tower two.
00:25:52.000 And you know, planes always look like they're going to hit a building.
00:25:55.000 They always look like they're going to hit each other when you're near an airport, but it's, it's a common optical illusion.
00:26:00.000 And then it hit the second tower. 0.98
00:26:07.000 And that's when we realized, holy shit, this is real. 0.76
00:26:10.000 And we went back downstairs and I remember when we first heard about, I'm jumping backwards now, Derek was sitting on the ground and I was sitting on the couch and he was leaning up with his back against the bottom of the couch and we're watching my little tiny TV. 0.96
00:26:28.000 And he goes, my mother's in there.
00:26:30.000 My mother works there.
00:26:32.000 And Scottish people have weak stomachs. 0.99
00:26:35.000 So, whenever there's a problem, you want to avoid me if there's any kind of major catastrophe, because I start farting.
00:26:41.000 And if it's first thing in the morning after a heavy night of farting, the gas that comes out is so bad, it's interesting.
00:26:47.000 It doesn't smell like poo.
00:26:48.000 It smells like some sort of acrid nuclear waste. 0.99
00:26:52.000 So, my anus isn't far from his face, and I just sort of... ...blast a floater up his African nose. 1.00
00:27:04.000 And he gets so pissed off because he was watching his mother die. 0.99
00:27:09.000 And he started punching me in the leg, gave me many charley horses, very painful.
00:27:13.000 Anyway, so that was earlier when we first heard about it.
00:27:16.000 I forgot the far detail.
00:27:17.000 And then we're all up on the roof, Derek, me and my wife.
00:27:21.000 I'll just call her my wife from now on.
00:27:23.000 And I have a picture of her on the phone trying to call her mother, actually, from that day.
00:27:27.000 And you can see the towers smoking in the background.
00:27:29.000 It's in my book, Death of Cool, which I highly recommend.
00:27:31.000 This chapter is also in there. 0.93
00:27:32.000 And the audio book of Death of Cool has me telling this story and crying like a little bitch when I find out that Derek's mother is alive. 0.98
00:27:42.000 Derek's mother, 0.96
00:27:44.000 Was in the building.
00:27:45.000 She went down to do some photocopies because the photocopier was broken.
00:27:49.000 And she watched, from the photocopy place, she watched the towers collapse.
00:27:54.000 And she had left her purse there.
00:27:55.000 Her purse collapsed with the tower.
00:27:58.000 And she watched all her friends die.
00:28:02.000 And in my audio book, which I guess I recorded 2010, so 10 years ago, I start crying recalling the time that we went to Doc Holliday's, I'll get there in a second.
00:28:11.000 He got to a payphone, spoke to his brother, found out she was alive.
00:28:14.000 He came back into the bar and he said, she's alive!
00:28:16.000 And everyone cheered and hugged him and it was a beautiful moment.
00:28:19.000 Anyway, we had a falling out around 2015.
00:28:21.000 No, about four years after that.
00:28:29.000 Anyway, and I'm just walking down the street one day by myself and I go, he's lying. 1.00
00:28:36.000 I think he's full of shit. 1.00
00:28:40.000 So it took me a good 14 years to suss out what I'm now convinced is a lie. 1.00
00:28:46.000 I think his mother used to work there.
00:28:49.000 And when something like that happens, you wanna have more gravitas.
00:28:53.000 So instead of saying my mother used to work there, he said she does work there.
00:28:58.000 And then the whole photocopying thing, I think that just sort of evolved organically as a way that she could still be alive.
00:29:07.000 And then I bet he was at Doc Holliday's.
00:29:09.000 I don't have any evidence on either side, by the way.
00:29:11.000 That's just my theory.
00:29:13.000 And then I bet when he said, Doc, holidays and people were crying and holding him, I bet he thought, all right, this is getting kind of out of hand.
00:29:19.000 And so he ran to a quote unquote pay phone and made the call and then everything was fine and everyone cheered and then he was off the hook.
00:29:30.000 This is unlike, of course, what's that guy's name?
00:29:33.000 The comedian who lied about it?
00:29:34.000 Steve Rannazzisi.
00:29:36.000 Steve Rannazzisi of the show The League, where he moved to LA and people would go, he just entered the comedy scene and he wanted to meet people and they go, oh my god, you're from New York?
00:29:50.000 Hey, you just got here, right?
00:29:51.000 You must have been there at 9-11.
00:29:52.000 He goes, yeah.
00:29:53.000 And they go, were you nearby?
00:29:56.000 And he goes,
00:29:58.000 I was in the towers. 1.00
00:30:01.000 Holy shit, you were? 0.99
00:30:02.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:30:05.000 And so he just invented this story about how he was in the actual Twin Towers.
00:30:10.000 We'll talk about this on Get Off My Lawn.
00:30:11.000 I've got the footage.
00:30:13.000 And it just sort of snowballed.
00:30:14.000 And then unlike Derek, who allegedly reigned it in, again, it's my theory that he was lying.
00:30:22.000 I don't have proof.
00:30:25.000 This Steve guy just let it roll and roll and roll.
00:30:30.000 Anyway, so that, now we have two towers on fire.
00:30:34.000 It doesn't seem like a big deal. 0.99
00:30:36.000 Well, sorry, that's a stupid thing to say. 1.00
00:30:38.000 What am I, fucking Ilhan Omar? 0.99
00:30:40.000 Some people did something. 0.99
00:30:42.000 We had no idea it was about to become a much bigger deal, is what I should have said.
00:30:47.000 And we're freaking out.
00:30:48.000 Meanwhile, Andrew WK was across the bridge in Williamsburg, actually in Greenpoint, and he had this guitarist, Jimmy Koo, C-O-U-P. 0.94
00:30:58.000 Jimmy Koo was a weird dude, very talented guitarist.
00:31:01.000 He was sort of Andrew's right-hand man for a long time, especially at the beginning.
00:31:05.000 And he had a look.
00:31:06.000 It was like a beard, long hair, Hawaiian shirt and shorts and chucks.
00:31:11.000 He was a party dude.
00:31:13.000 I can't even remember if he was karaoke-ing with us the night before.
00:31:18.000 So Andrew's watching it.
00:31:19.000 He can't really see it from Greenpoint, but he's watching it on... You could see the sky from Brooklyn, but you couldn't really see what we could see in the Lower East Side.
00:31:30.000 So he's just sleeping, and Andrew's freaking out watching it, and he wakes up Jimmy.
00:31:33.000 He goes, Jimmy!
00:31:34.000 Jimmy! 0.85
00:31:35.000 You gotta see this, man!
00:31:37.000 Two planes went into the World Trade Center!
00:31:40.000 And Jimmy goes... And Andrew goes, Wake up!
00:31:43.000 I don't think you heard me!
00:31:44.000 I don't think you understand what's going on!
00:31:46.000 And he explains it again.
00:31:47.000 And Jimmy goes, Yeah, okay, Andrew.
00:31:51.000 I'm asleep. 0.98
00:31:51.000 What the fuck do you want me to do about it now? 0.98
00:31:54.000 And then he went back to sleep. 0.99
00:31:57.000 Jimmy Coo, knowingly, slept through 9-11. 1.00
00:32:04.000 Poor fucking Andrew! 1.00
00:32:06.000 He's sitting there! 1.00
00:32:06.000 Oh my god, I just remembered. 1.00
00:32:08.000 Andrew and Melissa Oftmer were an item back then.
00:32:12.000 And she made out with a dude on tour.
00:32:16.000 She was probably drunk.
00:32:17.000 And she called Andrew crying and confessed.
00:32:19.000 And he's... The dude is weird, man.
00:32:21.000 He was just like... hung up the phone, never spoke to her again.
00:32:25.000 Like they were gonna get married.
00:32:27.000 He's a very like... I think he might have autism.
00:32:34.000 But you can kind of tell by his voice that he's a very intense... Andrew WK is an intense nerd.
00:32:41.000 He could beat you up, but on the inside he has more in common with Mark Mothersbaugh than, say, Vince Neil.
00:32:52.000 Anyway, at the same time there was this photographer that used to work for Vice named Sprague.
00:32:57.000 And he was right there.
00:32:59.000 He lived in Soho.
00:33:01.000 And he walked, he said, I might as well go check it out.
00:33:04.000 He walked down to World Trade when it was happening.
00:33:08.000 And the towers hadn't collapsed yet, but people were starting to jump off. 0.98
00:33:15.000 Like, here's what I don't get, by the way, with this bullshit fear of this Islamophobia phobia. 0.98
00:33:20.000 Can you just give me a pass? 0.99
00:33:22.000 I was there. 1.00
00:33:23.000 I watched the whole fucking thing. 0.99
00:33:25.000 I wasn't really political before then. 0.99
00:33:27.000 I hated the government, but it was from an anarchist punk perspective, whatever.
00:33:31.000 I wasn't paying attention to world affairs.
00:33:34.000 I liked things about the right and the left, whatever.
00:33:37.000 That day, and around that time too, I can't remember if it was right before or right after, I read Pat Buchanan's Death of the West.
00:33:43.000 And those two things combined changed me forever.
00:33:47.000 Same with Pamela Geller, same with Anthony Cumia, of Opie and Anthony.
00:33:50.000 They weren't really political before that.
00:33:53.000 I'm traumatized from that and I've since looked into Islam and though moderate Muslims tend to be pretty good folks, there is a disproportionate number of Muslims who are prone to radical politics. 0.95
00:34:07.000 This is what people don't seem to understand.
00:34:09.000 Liberals don't get patterns. 0.92
00:34:11.000 They don't get the word disproportionate.
00:34:14.000 Here's what you have to tell lefties when they roll their eyes at you for being scared of Islam, for being Islamophobic.
00:34:22.000 One in four Muslim American men between the ages of 18 to 25 think suicide bombing is sometimes or often justified.
00:34:35.000 Look it up.
00:34:36.000 Every time I bring up that stat to American lefties, they go, where'd you get that from?
00:34:45.000 It's a pupil.
00:34:48.000 I'll look it up right now.
00:34:49.000 Actually, can you look it up?
00:34:53.000 That's, like, you talk about these Nazis that are everywhere, there's probably 500 neo-Nazis in America out of 360 million people.
00:35:01.000 One in four of them does not believe suicide bombing is sometimes or often justified.
00:35:05.000 And you don't think, you don't have a rational, you lefties don't have a rational view of white nationalists, you think it's like 40% of the country?
00:35:15.000 So what's that?
00:35:16.000 130?
00:35:16.000 About 100 million people?
00:35:19.000 There's no way 1 in 4 of that 100 million thinks that suicide bombing is sometimes often justified. 0.87
00:35:24.000 Now, Muslims aren't a major threat to us.
00:35:26.000 They're only 1% of the population.
00:35:27.000 But what's 1% of 360?
00:35:28.000 360 million is... 1% is 360,000, right?
00:35:28.000 360,000?
00:35:39.000 That's a lot of guys!
00:35:40.000 1 in 4, 360,000 divided by 2 gets you the male-female, right? 0.54
00:35:45.000 So that's 130.
00:35:46.000 We're looking at like tens of thousands of people in America think suicide bombing is sometimes often justified.
00:35:52.000 And, as Ben Shapiro pointed out in his video, The Myth of the Radical Muslim Minority, when you leave America, you get much higher numbers than 1 in 4.
00:36:03.000 Especially like Palestine, and Jordan, and Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia.
00:36:13.000 So, you know, you listen to Howard Stern and he hates Germany because of the Nazis.
00:36:19.000 And he goes every time you'll notice when a German is calling in or when Germany as a subject comes up, it could be about wiener schnitzels.
00:36:26.000 He just gets kind of tight lipped and you can tell he's pissed off and he's being prejudiced. 0.86
00:36:31.000 He's he's a bigot. 0.97
00:36:32.000 He's a xenophobe. 0.93
00:36:34.000 And you go, you know what?
00:36:35.000 Your dad traumatized you with stories of his dad and his mother and surviving the Holocaust.
00:36:40.000 I get it.
00:36:42.000 You get a pass to be irrational about Germany.
00:36:44.000 Can I please get a pass to be irrational about Islam? 1.00
00:36:48.000 If I was there on 9-11?
00:36:50.000 Can you cut me some slack here? 0.99
00:36:53.000 Mind if I'm a bit of a jerk? 0.97
00:36:59.000 Anyway, so Sprague was rocking around that area and people started to jump off and you can find this if you look up body parts 9-11. 0.97
00:37:08.000 By the way, buildings in the area were finding body parts, hands, cufflinks, jewelry.
00:37:17.000 They were finding parts of people's personal belongings on their roofs for weeks afterwards.
00:37:25.000 But but when people decided what I think what happened was that the the heat became so intense right that They were standing sort of by the opening they took you can see them.
00:37:34.000 They all have their shirts off.
00:37:36.000 We couldn't see this on TV And we couldn't obviously see this from where we were three miles away So that we learned about this later, but Sprague saw it live these people were jumping off the buildings when I think it got to the point where
00:37:49.000 You saw people dying of smoke inhalation.
00:37:52.000 This way was just opaque with smoke.
00:37:56.000 To walk into the smoke was just guaranteed smoke annihilation and it wasn't like the smoke was high up and you could crawl on your hands and knees.
00:38:03.000 It was just a mountain of billowing smoke coming stronger and stronger and stronger.
00:38:07.000 You stand on the edge of the building by the hole.
00:38:10.000 You're holding on to fragmented steel.
00:38:12.000 The heat is unbearable.
00:38:14.000 You see the flames growing and you just go, it's either burn alive
00:38:19.000 Or jump.
00:38:21.000 And so they started jumping in droves.
00:38:22.000 They started holding hands, jumping.
00:38:25.000 They started going head first, diving down.
00:38:30.000 And when they would hit the ground, there was these explosive popping sounds.
00:38:36.000 This is when we say never forget.
00:38:38.000 Remember there was the Islamic Center?
00:38:40.000 They were talking about it wasn't a mosque and it wasn't next to the site. 0.98
00:38:44.000 It was a block away and it was a Muslim fucking awareness center or something. 0.98
00:38:50.000 No, it was like a hundred, it was like 350 feet from where there was explosions and shrapnel and death and destruction. 0.99
00:38:58.000 No, it's a community center.
00:39:00.000 Okay, well then you won't mind if we open up, remember Greg Gutfeld was going to open up a Muslim gay bar near World Trade and he had a lot of people excited to invest.
00:39:13.000 That never manifested.
00:39:17.000 So when these bodies hit the ground they would pop and it was a pop that sounded like gunshot.
00:39:25.000 It was like an explosion, almost like a firework.
00:39:29.000 Imagine that, pop!
00:39:31.000 Multiplied by a thousand.
00:39:33.000 Just this deafening pop as these bodies exploded.
00:39:38.000 And so as he's walking by, this is after the, this is just before the towers collapse, right?
00:39:44.000 There's body parts everywhere.
00:39:45.000 They don't think the towers are gonna collapse.
00:39:48.000 And they go, you!
00:39:49.000 And they grab him, a bunch of volunteers, firemen are there, cops.
00:39:53.000 They grab him and they say, start grabbing parts!
00:39:57.000 I don't understand why there was such a rush.
00:39:59.000 And by the way, when I say I was walking down the street and I just started thinking Derek's story was a lie, when I was walking down the street, a thing of Sprague's story is not a lie.
00:40:08.000 You know what I mean?
00:40:09.000 Like stories sit with you.
00:40:12.000 And as they age, they either age like a fine wine, or they go bad like milk. 0.95
00:40:16.000 Sprague's story has aged like a fine wine, and I think he became a junkie after, for a while, because he was so fucking traumatized. 0.92
00:40:24.000 I couldn't imagine this. 0.98
00:40:26.000 He told me this haunting story, and when I got it out of him, by the way, this is not at a bar, this is at his house, I think he was high, and he was slowly eked out this fucking horrible story. 0.97
00:40:38.000 About grabbing body parts, hands, torsos, legs, and putting them on pallets. 0.95
00:40:46.000 They had these pallets of body parts. 0.99
00:40:50.000 They were moving out of the way.
00:40:53.000 I guess they wanted to get them out of the way before they were buried by dust or something, or that's just what you do.
00:40:59.000 There's probably FDNY protocol for when you see body parts, immediately start collecting them and getting them somewhere where they can be sorted.
00:41:07.000 We can do the DNA test.
00:41:11.000 So, we're back up on the roof, and when the buildings collapse,
00:41:21.000 There's a part of your brain that goes, meh, it's just fires, and oh, it was a plane accident.
00:41:25.000 The first one was a fire, the second one was a plane accident.
00:41:28.000 They'll put this out, and then they'll fix the hole, and there'll be a death toll of 57, and people will go, it was the great fires of world trade, 2001.
00:41:38.000 And then you'll, we'll move on, and that would be terrible. 0.98
00:41:43.000 When they collapsed, Tower One collapsed first and then you went, holy shit, all the lies I was telling myself about this not being a big deal are lies. 0.99
00:41:55.000 This is as consequential as my worst nightmare. 0.97
00:41:59.000 And then the second one went down and everyone was on the roof crying.
00:42:06.000 My wife was in tears.
00:42:09.000 And we were just gobsmacked.
00:42:11.000 I mean, there was, my whole building was on the roof, but it was like a old school Dutch 1800s tenement type of building.
00:42:17.000 So there was only about 15 of us on the roof, but there was, most of the women were crying, but a lot of us were just gobsmacked, just staring and looking at each other and shaking our heads.
00:42:28.000 Everyone was giving up trying to make phone calls.
00:42:33.000 And then we stared for a while and we watched the plumes of smoke and uh, 0.99
00:42:39.000 Fuck, we didn't know what to do. 0.99
00:42:42.000 So, we went downstairs, back on Ludlow. 1.00
00:42:46.000 Everyone was out on the street, talking.
00:42:48.000 No one was at work.
00:42:50.000 Plenty were at work that day at World Trade.
00:42:52.000 2,977 dead.
00:42:53.000 So we walk up Avenue A, and we go to Nice Guy Eddie's, which isn't around anymore.
00:43:05.000 And then we all end up congregated at Doc Holidays, which I believe is still around.
00:43:10.000 It's kind of a seedy bar and we just watch the news all day.
00:43:14.000 We watched the news for, I think, 36 hours straight without sleep.
00:43:20.000 It was just always on.
00:43:21.000 So you'd see the same clip again and again, but more clips would come.
00:43:24.000 There was one Frenchman who was doing a documentary at the time and his camera was at his hip.
00:43:31.000 And he accidentally caught the second plane going into the tower from a very close range.
00:43:38.000 And I don't think he realized it till later when he looked at his tape because he was just carrying his camera running.
00:43:46.000 Jesus.
00:43:46.000 Oh, is that it?
00:43:47.000 We'll show it on Get Off My Lawn, which is at freespeech.tv.
00:43:47.000 You got the shot?
00:43:52.000 We went to Doc Holidays and there was a, I mean, it was obviously very macabre and sad and there was a pallor of sadness, but there was also a great sort of coming together.
00:44:07.000 I saw this later in 2004 at the Blackout, but there was some real sort of like camaraderie and are you okay?
00:44:14.000 And what should we do?
00:44:16.000 None of us went down there to volunteer.
00:44:18.000 We weren't that good and brave.
00:44:21.000 Um, we just sat there watching the news and, uh, people were, were roaming the streets like zombies covered in dust, walking away from the site.
00:44:33.000 And so we started, uh, we, we drank there for a while.
00:44:37.000 And then there was the incident with Derek where everyone was happy.
00:44:39.000 He was, his mom was okay.
00:44:41.000 Um,
00:44:43.000 And then Ryan McGinley and Dash Snow and those guys, they went down there.
00:44:49.000 I was reading today, he said he went down there to volunteer.
00:44:51.000 I don't think so.
00:44:52.000 He went down there to take pictures because that was his thing.
00:44:56.000 He was a party documentary.
00:45:00.000 Not that 9-11 was a party, but you know, big events, big things, action.
00:45:05.000 So he went down there and recorded them riding around on their bikes.
00:45:11.000 You know,
00:45:12.000 In our defense, as far as going down there to volunteer, you went near there and all the cops and firemen were saying, get back, get back, go away!
00:45:19.000 It wasn't until the next day there was people volunteering.
00:45:23.000 They were just trying to get you the hell out of there.
00:45:24.000 You couldn't get near it the day of.
00:45:27.000 And it was just an absolute, massive, Ghostbusters-like cloud of smoke.
00:45:36.000 That entire lower Manhattan was just a big ash bomb.
00:45:41.000 In fact, you were seeing people covered in ash where we were, in the Lower East Side.
00:45:45.000 Still walking up in a daze.
00:45:50.000 But eventually we started driving around.
00:45:53.000 We rode down to Liberty Street where the church is and actually up by 14th too, there was a hospital there.
00:46:01.000 And here's one of the most disturbing parts of the whole thing as far as my personal experience goes.
00:46:07.000 When we went near the hospital on Beth Israel Hospital on 14th Street, near 14th,
00:46:13.000 There was, this is by, we're now about 2 p.m.
00:46:18.000 There was these flyers people had made with their own printers.
00:46:21.000 Oh Jesus, they were laminated too.
00:46:23.000 I don't know how they laminated them.
00:46:24.000 Sometimes they used those sort of things you get in a folder where you can put it in a little window envelope thing, those clear envelope things.
00:46:31.000 And they were taped and wired and zip tied to the fences all over the churches and the hospitals and it was missing posters.
00:46:42.000 It was missing.
00:46:45.000 John Avery, worked in finance, United Fund, age, weight, thousands of them.
00:46:54.000 They just appeared out of nowhere that day.
00:46:56.000 And of course they grew over the course of the next few days.
00:46:59.000 But it was things like, have you seen my daddy?
00:47:02.000 And missing, and pictures of her. 0.78
00:47:05.000 Like someone was gonna see her and say, oh, there's Diane. 1.00
00:47:09.000 Yeah, hey Diane, your family's looking for you. 1.00
00:47:11.000 Oh shit, really? 1.00
00:47:12.000 Oh, okay. 1.00
00:47:13.000 Like it was the most powerfully naive and sad gesture imaginable that you would put up these flyers thinking this is all just a big misunderstanding.
00:47:24.000 And I gotta admit, I'll get more into the details of the truthers on my show, but a lot of this truther mentality, I blame on people's brains just going, I can't handle this.
00:47:35.000 There must be, it's not real, it's a conspiracy.
00:47:38.000 The government did it. 0.99
00:47:38.000 It's impossible that two radical Muslims could be evil enough 0.99
00:47:43.000 To take over planes and crash them into the World Trade Center. 1.00
00:47:46.000 And this just be a bunch of fucking disgusting terrorists. 1.00
00:47:49.000 This must be all the globalist elites together doing this. 1.00
00:47:52.000 It can't have happened.
00:47:53.000 And those, those flyers I sort of see as the same thing.
00:47:58.000 It was like someone saying, this can't, this didn't happen.
00:48:02.000 This is just a misunderstanding.
00:48:04.000 It's just a matter of me putting up a flyer and getting my daddy back, getting my husband back, getting my wife back.
00:48:13.000 I heard that Westchester was so devastated by this that a lot of the kids were kind of rich.
00:48:20.000 A lot of the victim's sons were wealthy.
00:48:22.000 And when their dad in finance dies, they're left with like three million bucks. 0.98
00:48:26.000 They're also fucking gutted, obviously. 0.90
00:48:29.000 So they'd have their money, they'd go move to Manhattan to a nice apartment. 0.99
00:48:34.000 And what do you do if you're a kid who's 19, 20, you got tons of money all of a sudden,
00:48:43.000 And you're alone in Manhattan.
00:48:46.000 You do heroin.
00:48:48.000 You get wasted.
00:48:49.000 You'd numb the pain.
00:48:50.000 You take Xanax.
00:48:52.000 If it was now, you'd be doing oxy and opioids.
00:48:55.000 And they started dying.
00:48:57.000 And I was told that Vampire Weekend were sort of of that gang.
00:49:00.000 And the reason their music was so optimistic and cheery was it was their way of saying to their fellow Westchester friends, guys, stop dying.
00:49:09.000 Stop killing yourselves.
00:49:10.000 We can make it through this.
00:49:14.000 Jesus.
00:49:18.000 I feel weird reading from my sponsors today.
00:49:20.000 I'm not gonna do any sponsor reads on this episode.
00:49:27.000 And then some time went by and we go to my friend's house and we're still watching the news.
00:49:34.000 Now it's like 11 p.m.
00:49:36.000 on September 11th.
00:49:39.000 And I just said to my buddy, let's just go, let's get an eight ball of Coke. 1.00
00:49:45.000 And he goes, are you out of your fucking mind? 0.99
00:49:47.000 And I said, I don't know, man, we've spent so much time doing that drug talking about how owls are cool. 0.99
00:49:54.000 Why not do it when we actually have something to talk about?
00:49:57.000 And he was totally apolitical at the time.
00:50:00.000 He barely knew where Israel was.
00:50:02.000 So we sat and talked about, you know, the tension between Christianity and Islam, the tension between Israel, Judaism and Islam, and their side of the story, the Islam side, which I don't support, and our side, which I clearly do. 0.91
00:50:20.000 Meanwhile, the news is still going.
00:50:21.000 We're still seeing more footage.
00:50:22.000 We're still seeing more deaths.
00:50:24.000 The news didn't show you too much deaths.
00:50:26.000 It took us a while.
00:50:27.000 And the internet had to show us the jumpers and the dead bodies.
00:50:31.000 The news just sort of kept replaying that and pontificating. 0.96
00:50:33.000 And some of the news was fucking annoying. 0.94
00:50:35.000 I'll never forget this one newscaster woman saying, you know, it's sort of like New York lost its two front teeth. 1.00
00:50:43.000 I just remember thinking, fuck you, bitch. 1.00
00:50:46.000 Some other guy said, you know, I used to use, it's kind of hard sometimes when you're in the city to situate what's north and south. 1.00
00:50:52.000 And I used to use the world trade to, to ground me and I don't have that anymore.
00:50:57.000 Oh, that was another annoying news take.
00:51:00.000 It's amazing how many people, too, weren't even there and say they have PTSD.
00:51:04.000 I remember some chick, I was walking around lower Manhattan like five years later, and she said, I have to sit down, I'm traumatized, because this is where World Trade was.
00:51:14.000 And I go, oh yeah, you were here?
00:51:15.000 She goes, no, I was in LA, but I watched it on TV.
00:51:18.000 Oh, you poor thing. 0.98
00:51:21.000 So we stayed up all night getting wasted and watching more of it.
00:51:28.000 And it changed us forever.
00:51:32.000 And you know what was weird too?
00:51:34.000 It didn't change everybody.
00:51:36.000 A lot of people became more steadfast in their love of multiculturalism and their tolerance of Islam. 0.99
00:51:43.000 And a lot of people didn't give a shit. 1.00
00:51:46.000 I heard some horrible shit. 1.00
00:51:47.000 I heard about Muslims dancing across the East River. 1.00
00:51:51.000 I've spoken to people who said they saw it with their own eyes.
00:51:56.000 There were these Puerto Ricans across the street from my buddy's house.
00:51:59.000 This is on Avenue A in the East Village, so maybe like four or five blocks north of me.
00:52:04.000 And they saw the second plane go in and they screamed, yeah! 1.00
00:52:11.000 Bomb that shit, nigga! 1.00
00:52:12.000 Bomb that shit! 1.00
00:52:13.000 And they were laughing their heads off. 1.00
00:52:16.000 Isn't that kind of profound?
00:52:20.000 Sheesh.
00:52:20.000 It shows a culture
00:52:23.000 That is just totally separated from the country it's in.
00:52:27.000 Like, those kids lived for A, between A and B, between 5th and 6th.
00:52:33.000 Their block. 0.99
00:52:35.000 And if you want to blow up World Trade, I don't give a shit. 0.99
00:52:37.000 That's miles away from here. 1.00
00:52:39.000 Bomb that shit, nigga. 1.00
00:52:42.000 That was infuriating. 1.00
00:52:45.000 Um, and then the next day, we would, uh,
00:52:49.000 I couldn't go home.
00:52:51.000 To go home, I had to, uh, show notes.
00:52:57.000 I had to, sorry, I was looking at my notes to make sure I got everything.
00:53:00.000 That's why I said notes.
00:53:03.000 Um, you needed a utility bill.
00:53:05.000 There was tanks going up Houston street, military everywhere.
00:53:10.000 And, uh, and, uh, you'd have to show your ID to get into your house.
00:53:18.000 And it took a good 24 hours.
00:53:20.000 Oh, there's footage of people dancing.
00:53:22.000 Yeah, there was people dancing all over the Middle East, that's for sure.
00:53:27.000 And you gotta hand it to them, it was a very effective attack.
00:53:30.000 I'm sorry.
00:53:31.000 Bill Maher got in trouble for saying it was brave.
00:53:33.000 It technically is brave.
00:53:35.000 You could say it technically was, by the very dictionary definition, awesome, in the sense that it was awe-inspiring.
00:53:43.000 It was horrible and awesome.
00:53:46.000 We've bastardized a lot of words from their literal meaning.
00:53:49.000 But, you know, I read somewhere it cost ten grand to send those two guys to flight school.
00:53:54.000 Why wasn't anyone dubious of those two guys in flight school?
00:53:57.000 We're not allowed to be dubious anymore.
00:53:59.000 Juan Williams said he's uncomfortable when he sees Muslims at his gate praying right before a flight.
00:54:07.000 And he got fired from NPR for having those emotions.
00:54:12.000 We're consistently punished for noticing patterns, for noticing that a disproportionate number of a group is linked to terrorism.
00:54:20.000 And no, 0.98
00:54:22.000 White supremacy, white supremacist terrorism does not outnumber Muslim terrorism in America. 0.99
00:54:30.000 Those stats are skewed by a very wide definition of what redneck terrorism is, including some fight by two KKK guys over some chick. 0.98
00:54:40.000 That's now a terrorist act.
00:54:42.000 And they reduced September 11th to one terrorist act.
00:54:45.000 So now we're one for one, even though it's 2,977 versus one.
00:54:49.000 And it's also a very narrow-minded view of what Islamic terrorism is.
00:54:54.000 For example, the beheading in Ohio, was it?
00:54:59.000 That's seen as workplace violence.
00:55:01.000 Fort Hood is listed as workplace violence.
00:55:04.000 They narrow it down.
00:55:05.000 They call Orlando homophobia. 1.00
00:55:10.000 And by the way, even if we did take your bullshit statistics, you call 40% of America white nationalists, Trump is Hitler, 1.00
00:55:19.000 And we know for a fact that Muslims are only 1% of the population. 1.00
00:55:22.000 So even by your crazy standards, 1% of the population and 40% of the population have about the same numbers of terror attacks. 0.91
00:55:32.000 That should disturb you. 1.00
00:55:33.000 Your own shitty numbers should disturb you. 0.99
00:55:41.000 And then. 0.99
00:55:44.000 Things changed.
00:55:45.000 I decided to get more involved in politics.
00:55:48.000 I decided that my hatred of the government was no longer passive.
00:55:52.000 I decided I wanted to dismantle the government and help people.
00:55:57.000 Liberate themselves from tyranny?
00:55:59.000 Liberate themselves from the government?
00:56:01.000 I guess you could say I became right-wing.
00:56:03.000 I mean, I... I don't give a shit who's gay. 1.00
00:56:06.000 I don't... I think all drugs should be legalized. 1.00
00:56:10.000 That doesn't feel very far-right to me.
00:56:12.000 I don't care about your lifestyle.
00:56:17.000 Um...
00:56:20.000 But that's considered far right in this day and age.
00:56:24.000 And people say, well, how can you like Trump?
00:56:27.000 He's not presidential.
00:56:27.000 Trump is a stick of dynamite in the White House.
00:56:31.000 And I have no respect for the White House.
00:56:33.000 I have no respect for the president.
00:56:34.000 I love that he's not presidential. 1.00
00:56:36.000 I love that we sent in a deranged pitbull into that shitting building, and he's just draining the swamp. 0.99
00:56:43.000 That's really why we love Trump, because we want to drain the swamp, because we don't trust the swamp. 0.99
00:56:47.000 And as far as these truthers go, well, we have one thing in common. 0.98
00:56:51.000 We both hate globalists. 0.84
00:56:54.000 I don't like open borders and blind tolerance of backwards cultures like radical Islam. 1.00
00:56:59.000 And I don't like globalists.
00:57:01.000 You say, well the problem is the globalists. 0.97
00:57:04.000 The radical Muslims are not that big of a deal. 0.97
00:57:07.000 Okay.
00:57:08.000 So your number one is my number two and my number two is your number one.
00:57:12.000 Okay.
00:57:15.000 We both accept that it's the powers that be that put us in this shitty situation.
00:57:19.000 And Glenn Beck talks about that in his book, uh, what's it called?
00:57:23.000 Miracles and Massacres.
00:57:25.000 Where he says there's a pattern with all these horrible events in history, and it's people giving up their own personal liberty to someone else.
00:57:33.000 At Wounded Knee,
00:57:35.000 The Indian prisoners were able to carry their own guns. 0.98
00:57:40.000 Then the bosses, fuck the police's boss, the bosses show up and say, you can't have the prisoners have guns. 0.95
00:57:46.000 And so they said, oh, our bosses say we can't. 0.99
00:57:48.000 They were moving along and they were being transported very peacefully.
00:57:52.000 And then they said, no, our bosses.
00:57:55.000 The government said we have to take away your guns, Indians. 1.00
00:57:58.000 That's when the shit started hitting the fan. 1.00
00:58:00.000 That's when women and children were killed running away. 1.00
00:58:02.000 That's when we have one of America's most shameful events in history, now in our books.
00:58:08.000 And that was men giving away their own personal liberty to someone else.
00:58:12.000 So whether you think 9-11 was an inside job, or whether you think it was our own blind love of all other cultures, even ones that suck, 0.77
00:58:22.000 At the end of the day, in both cases, it's you handing over your personal liberty to tyranny.
00:58:29.000 And that's what we should never forget.
00:58:32.000 We should never forget that we are most powerful as individuals, not as the state.
00:58:38.000 The government does not control us.
00:58:41.000 The government is not in charge.
00:58:43.000 We are in charge.
00:58:44.000 And we allow them, when we allow them to play God, people die.
00:58:49.000 There's only one thing that can play God, and that's God.
00:58:54.000 Anyway, thanks for tuning in.
00:58:55.000 This, by the way, is not an episode of Get Off My Lawn.
00:58:59.000 We'll be airing Get Off My Lawn tonight.
00:59:02.000 We'll be talking about 9-11, too, for most of it, and that will involve a lot of visuals.
00:59:06.000 We'll get more into the truth or argument.
00:59:12.000 The podcast will go live tomorrow.
00:59:15.000 Basically, the short version of all this is you're not,
00:59:19.000 Missing out on anything.
00:59:20.000 This is a total freebie.
00:59:21.000 I just wanted to get this in for 9-11, because it changed me irrevocably forever, and I wish it changed the Western world.
00:59:29.000 They seem to have forgotten about it.
00:59:31.000 When I see Ilhan Omar say, somebody did something, and I see Linda Sarsour running the Women's March, and men wearing America flag burkas at the Women's March, I think, how soon we forget.