00:02:51.920Yeah. And, you know, we were talking about this yesterday and it really does take a toll on you to have to pay for your lawyer and have to go through all of this.
00:03:00.180And it's really done as a way to deter people from protesting, from from participating in activism.
00:03:06.300and since the convoy there's just there's so many so so so many examples of this where even though
00:03:13.300the charges didn't stick even though they like kind of gave you these bullshit charges and they
00:03:17.840even had cops lying it's it doesn't matter you know they're still gonna fuck with your life
00:03:23.640they're still gonna you know they're still gonna force you to deal with all these legal consequences
00:03:28.300and it really does it really is like a fifth generational warfare tactic where you are kind
00:03:34.260of drained emotionally, financially, physically, spiritually. Um, and how, how has that journey
00:03:40.880been? You know, have you had support from other people in the community over, over this time?
00:03:45.300Like, how, how did you, how did you deal with this? Cause you know, it could really test a
00:03:49.420person, right? Yeah. I mean, you said it best. Um, you know, it does take a toll on you. Um,
00:03:55.280you know, all the speaking with the lawyer, you know, going into court and just all of that
00:04:00.140pressure it is a lot but um how i dealt with it you know family friends mainly um you know everybody
00:04:08.640you know i i appreciate all those who did check up on me you know that uh did show their support
00:04:13.720that did send their uh their prayers and their love for me um and that's that's kind of what
00:04:19.500kept me going to be completely honest throughout this time because i was i was pretty down i was
00:04:23.860going through a rough patch and um you know those people checking up on me really did bring me back
00:04:29.120to life you know i can say that awesome awesome so bring us back to rolling thunder we're going
00:04:35.780to play the clips in a second of the actual altercation that happened between you and the
00:04:40.020police and the absurd things that the police were saying about this this specific incident caught on
00:04:44.920camera but um you know maybe bring us back before we play the clip set us up to bring us back to uh
00:04:50.900april 2022 when rolling thunder was happening and the bikes are rolling into ottawa how did you hear
00:04:57.920about it how did you get there and and what led up to this uh this incident yeah so um yeah the
00:05:04.160rolling thunder event was a uh you know basically an event honoring the veterans um specifically
00:05:10.600james top who had marched across canada um worked for the canadian air forces and uh basically was
00:05:16.760not amongst all of us you know a lot of other canadians were not accepting the you have to be
00:05:22.900vaccinated in order to keep your job and, you know, and all the other things that they were
00:05:29.060basically trying to put on us. Um, so I was, I was going there to support that. I was actually
00:05:33.880also, uh, performing on the 30th, um, the day after I arrived on Parliament Hill. And, um,
00:05:40.580but unfortunately I didn't, um, well, I did perform actually, um, on the 30th, but, um,
00:05:46.320it was a crazy first day before that uh that performance happened yeah yeah and uh i can
00:05:55.980bring up the clip here i guess we'll see it in in uh regular time um this was in the evening i guess
00:06:03.320and um do you know exactly where this is situated where we are here on the left here
00:06:11.020Yeah, this is, well, it's on Rideau, of course, but it's right beside the chapters.
00:07:08.160yeah they they forcefully throw me to the ground um i get a couple knees um and then yeah and then
00:07:17.480they arrest me uh and then yeah i didn't i didn't hear any you're under arrest anything i just get
00:07:25.160a push um i stumble back of course um and then i'm just kind of standing there shocked motionless
00:07:31.640puzzled on why i just got pushed by the officer very confused and then um yeah within maybe a
00:07:37.560couple seconds later they just swore me maybe five six officers and then three
00:07:42.600of them end up throwing me to the ground I ends up I end up injuring my finger
00:07:46.340and my knee and uh yeah and then they this is it in slow motion so I'll play
00:07:53.260it for you guys one more time starting from the beginning sorry let's start
00:07:57.780from the beginning one second this is the same clip in slow motion
00:08:07.560yeah that's you standing stoically and then they just grab you do you know where these police are
00:08:13.560from these are ottawa police ottawa police interesting um what's it like to like re-watch
00:08:23.740that clip uh it's it's it's hard you know um i'm getting i'm kind of getting used to it after
00:08:32.500watching it several times during the trial as well but uh yeah it is pretty hard watching that
00:08:38.160you know nobody likes to see themselves get absolutely manhandled and thrown violently to
00:08:43.560the ground and you know now my finger's busted you know looks like i got frankenstein's finger
00:08:49.040that's to put a little humor into it but and once and once again there's always like a pattern
00:08:56.520to to who they target uh you know whether it's jeremy mckenzie morgan may arthur pavlowski
00:09:02.780uh barber tamara lich the organizers uh you know pat king like there's there's always a pattern to
00:09:10.540like who they target you're someone who i don't know if they knew that you're a performer but
00:09:14.680aside from that you're also like a tall guy you're a tall good-looking attractive like guy thank you
00:09:20.680i appreciate that and uh like a leader so to speak like if you were to like look at a crowd
00:09:25.640to freedom fighters say hey that guy looks like a leader he's stoic and they picked on you yeah
00:09:30.840and uh and he's a black man yeah but what the hell there's a color guy we're getting them you
00:09:38.320know yeah yeah uh yeah it's like the cops just like went on like autopilot like get the black
00:09:43.440guy uh yeah exactly oh he's the first one i see we're getting them grab them but um
00:09:48.380so i i encourage you to kind of get the receipts or get the transcript from the court cases that
00:09:55.360you went through because that'll be the actual receipts to show like this is what these cops
00:10:00.320said about this situation. I mean, we were having a phone call yesterday. You were kind of sharing
00:10:04.640me like the worst of the worst. You said that one of the cops said that you tried to grab their
00:10:12.480baton. They said this like on the stand? Yep, on the stand. Do they swear an oath before saying
00:10:21.440this stuff a funny thing um so myself and uh my my buddy devon who actually went on stand um to
00:10:31.020plea you know my my innocence as well we were the only ones that swore on the bible um all the
00:10:37.020officers chose to uh swear to the court basically and i i find that funny because let's just say
00:10:44.620oh got a little blur there no worries let's just say um let's just say they don't even
00:10:49.780believe in god or they don't believe in the bible so what would it be for them to swear on it then
00:10:54.280if they didn't even believe in that so that's why i just kind of find it funny because at first i'm
00:10:58.140like maybe they didn't swear on the bible because maybe they're not religious maybe they don't
00:11:01.980believe in god which is that's you know if that's their choice that's their choice no problem at all
00:11:05.860but then i'm like hmm but you know what that wouldn't make any sense because if they didn't
00:11:10.000believe then it would be nothing for them to swear on a bible on a book that they don't believe in
00:11:13.860right so i kind of find that i found that a little funny i'm just left here thinking you know what
00:11:19.560are the consequences of these cops lying you know uh they're supposed to be the best of the best
00:11:25.880protect and serve blah blah blah they're connected to the judicial system law enforcement judicial
00:11:30.940system hand in hand it's supposed to be in their integrity uh honor all of these words that kind
00:11:38.620of defines are supposed to define this institution and we have how many how many cops lied on the
00:11:45.140stand would you say four officers four four different officers all told the same lie or
00:11:51.520different lies well ultimately it was the same lie um stating that i grabbed the officer's baton
00:11:59.820and i threw a punch at an officer but it all their stories were all mixed up you know but
00:12:06.240that was the main thing that they were trying to say though yeah they obviously kind of corroborated
00:12:10.880um and just to go back to the slow-mo clip here i'm guessing the four different officers were uh
00:12:17.680there's like three who tackle you right yeah well yeah there's like five right as soon as they grab
00:12:23.540me there's three of them oh yeah there's like there's four of them around you there yeah and
00:12:28.080then three yeah and then three when they get me to the ground and presumably it's like four of the
00:12:33.000guys over there i guess that we're seeing that were on on the stand yeah well actually one of
00:12:39.040them excuse me the main officer that's accusing me of these things is the one that throws me
00:12:44.720to the other officer he's the one that pushed me actually the one that's accusing me of doing
00:12:48.500all these things as you can see now in the video it's so it's so unprovoked it's oh yeah i'm i'm
00:12:55.880just standing there like why did i just get pushed and then they're like well grab them
00:12:59.160yeah and then um your your uh your consequence is just uh standing standing around yeah and
00:13:07.300that step in the one that testified uh with me he's there beside me right there in the frame
00:13:11.640he was charged as well no he wasn't charged no yeah he just came exactly yeah got it i'm not
00:13:18.400if you guys couldn't tell i'm not very good with this legal stuff i'm always playing catch up
00:13:21.780in conversations like this but um so you told me these other lies they said they you tried to grab
00:13:27.660the baton they they said that they that you threw a haymaker at them yeah yeah specific word haymaker
00:13:34.700because uh they asked well how could you describe the uh the punch that was thrown
00:13:40.180and the officer said haymaker and every a haymaker your honor yeah and uh they
00:13:46.360the judge even laughed the judge said uh haymaker wow okay he's like um all right
00:13:51.780haymaker okay that's that's that's wild um yeah did what this clip obviously was not part of the
00:14:02.360stack of evidence i'm guessing like the cops didn't know about this clip how did this clip
00:14:06.160come into the equation um well proving proving your innocence by the way and proving that these
00:14:11.920uh cops are lying yeah well i i had to do a lot of due diligence um first of all and um
00:14:19.320i we happened to get uh footage from rebel news alexa um twitter um thank god for that i was super
00:14:27.680thankful for that um because at the time we couldn't really find much um and then that video
00:14:32.800uh that she had on her live stream on rebel news um had everything and uh helped yeah
00:14:38.560helped clear my name so shout outs to alexa from rebel news yes uh saving potentially saving your
00:14:46.960ass from a lot of oh 100 no 100 my lawyer did say he would it would have been very difficult
00:14:53.600if you did not have that footage even though the the police don't have any footage or evidence
00:14:58.080themselves just by them saying verbally with four officers going on stands saying oh this person did
00:15:03.920this but he's like yeah you would have you would have got locked up and it happens to a lot of
00:15:07.760people worldwide yeah it's scary it's very scary and this is a perfect example when people say
00:15:13.520that your best weapon and your best defense is your phone is your camera is your video camera
00:15:19.680If you're going to a protest, clear out all of the old videos and stuff, you know, clear out that hard drive on your phone, guys, clean it up, you know, delete the old WhatsApp videos, get in there, clean out your hard drive and record everything.
00:15:32.780OK, because it could literally be the difference between an innocent verdict and a guilty verdict, a not guilty or a guilty verdict.
00:15:42.840And I mean, it's scary to think, like, what would the consequences be if you didn't have this video clip?
00:15:48.220would you actually be sentenced like would you be doing time yeah nine months uh nine nine months
00:15:55.020if i was uh what do they say if i was good or something six months but over half of a year
00:16:02.220half of a year and up yeah for something that i didn't do at all which is the scary part about it
00:16:08.060you know because people this happens to people all the time right so that's why when you hear
00:16:11.980people like i'm actually innocent like i'm actually innocent i really didn't do anything and they're
00:16:15.740Like, uh, I don't know if he was, or, you know, I'm not too sure,
00:16:19.740but just like what you said, you know, we need more independent journalists to be,
00:16:24.440you know, like boots down in there recording everything does.
00:16:28.700You don't have to be an independent journalist.