House Arrest - Ep. 12 - UnJustified -Special Edition Livestream w⧸ Ray McGinnis

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00:00:24.480 hello everybody um hopefully we can hear up we're going to try this live stream from my

00:00:29.440 We have the one and only Raina Guinness here today on House Arrest.

00:00:33.200 We're going to live stream. He's in my basement doing a book signing tonight.

00:00:36.820 I am in your basement. This is a very nice basement.

00:00:39.280 Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I've become quite fond of it.

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00:00:47.580 Normally, we would try and do something like this, obviously, at a venue outside of my home,

00:00:51.960 but clearly, I'm under house arrest, so we decided to do it here.

00:00:54.700 we've got some of my wonderful friends here uh the crab pot farmer who is here with his lovely wife

00:01:00.860 all the way from oil in alberta civil i guess actually technically um and some of the ladies

00:01:06.380 from my original finance committee i wish i could show them all to you but you know um i can argue

00:01:10.940 what i do with one family so welcome uh we're just going i'm just going to mute for a bit we've got

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00:05:19.980 hello everyone and welcome once again to house arrest this is episode 12 and you may recognize

00:05:24.380 this gentleman beside me i think he was on episode five or six somewhere back in yeah that's great

00:05:31.100 yeah we did an episode with uh ray and gordon mcgill we were discussing the king's voice yes

00:05:38.220 and anyone that's followed ray's work will know that he has been a huge advocate for justice for

00:05:43.420 the king's voice and he's been diligently telling their story um and then for and for all of us

00:05:49.660 really everyone involved in the convoy obviously unjustified um i was just saying to ray before we

00:05:57.340 started this evening that you know after friday's really this seems um a lot more poignant and um

00:06:03.660 so yeah i would encourage you to get it i'm going to put a link in the comments you can get this on

00:06:08.380 amazon you can get on amazon or your favorite order for your favorite physical bookstore if you

00:06:14.380 want to yes hopefully they will accept ordering such a controversial dissenting book that's great

00:06:22.060 was it a bestseller uh no it's not a bestseller yeah it should be it really should be yeah he's

00:06:27.740 absolutely right so um again just thank you so much to ray for all he's done for all of us

00:06:32.700 um all the articles that he's written and really just spreading the truth and getting the story

00:06:36.940 about all these cases all of the injustices um he's he came and he showed up at the poec

00:06:44.060 actually and that's where i met ray uh for the first time we sort of met in passing as i was

00:06:48.380 walking back in and he was leaving and i think he was shaking his head a little bit with some

00:06:52.540 of the stuff he was hearing in there and all the testimony was exonerating the protesters that's

00:06:59.420 great exactly so he's a great friend um he's a great author i encourage you to pick up his book

00:07:04.460 so we're going to let ray take over now and uh give us a book talk and then we're going to do

00:07:08.940 we'll take some questions and um please enjoy thank you tamara it's great to be uh on the house

00:07:16.220 arrest in the house the official house so um i i have i thought well you know i i do different

00:07:24.860 book talk right i'll just do a little bit of an expanded book talk uh this evening because uh

00:07:31.260 i mean there's i've thought a lot about about you know writing about about the book unjustified

00:07:38.780 and it's thought a lot about what was it like for me before the pandemic before the freedom convoy

00:07:47.820 and and generally i was i mean i i grew up in vancouver i was born in vancouver

00:07:55.100 my parents on both sides of the family uh came from alberta families my dad was raised in a

00:08:03.420 little town a little hamlet called manola between barhead and westlock on a farm and my grandfather

00:08:11.740 voted for the ccf way back in the day and Tommy Douglas was a great hero and all of that was

00:08:17.020 because people were concerned back in the 30s and 40s and 50s about farmers having a fair shake and

00:08:24.460 being able to stand up to the bankers and things like that was sort of what my grandfather was

00:08:29.420 concerned about i don't think he would recognize the ndp today uh then on my mother's side of the

00:08:35.820 family my my grandfather was a doctor but a doctor farmer and my my grandmother was a teacher after

00:08:47.420 my grandfather died in a car and train accident when he was just 20 years old back in 1934 my

00:08:55.180 mother was three and a half right so uh so my mother was raped by a single a single mother

00:09:01.500 with three daughters uh and uh and my grandmother taught until she was 75 in the school system

00:09:08.460 teaching math and and so i had that kind of background but growing up on the west coast in

00:09:14.940 vancouver um when my my politics over time became the mdp probably because my grandfather liked

00:09:23.660 tommy douglas so so um so my i think that for me uh i i've gone through a whole revolution of

00:09:34.140 rethinking so many things in the last six years especially not that there weren't little things

00:09:39.340 or little oopses along the way but certainly everything that happened once we did two weeks

00:09:44.620 to flatten the curve changed a lot of my thinking as i'm sure for many people here in this room and

00:09:50.700 live stream and so i started thinking about uh i never thought much about the word gaslighting

00:09:57.120 until the last few years and and i've gotten to know some really great people i i i've been able

00:10:04.440 to go down to a couple of conferences with the brownstone institute jeffrey tucker who's been

00:10:09.520 who hosted guest hosted a number of uh podcasts for trish what is critical this summer and winter

00:10:16.560 they had a conference that I went to at the Pauley-based farm in rural Virginia in September.

00:10:23.480 Then I went to another conference in Salt Lake City in late October.

00:10:29.000 One of the people I met there was a man named Toby Rogers who testified at the United States

00:10:33.820 Senate about vaccine injuries.

00:10:36.180 And one of the things he said recently was, you know, many people die when they fall asleep while smoking because the cigarette falls and sets the couch on fire.

00:10:53.620 Back in the 70s in the States, regulators wanted the cigarette industry to create self-extinguishing cigarettes to prevent this from happening, fires and couches and beds.

00:11:06.180 But the cigarette industry worried that this would make smoking less pleasurable because it's a bummer to keep relighting cigarettes all the time.

00:11:14.720 And it also would probably hurt sales.

00:11:16.800 And so the cigarette industry back in the 70s came up with something called spontaneous human combustion as an explanation instead.

00:11:27.900 And so the thinking went like this, with spontaneous human combustion with the cigarette industry

00:11:36.240 reps.

00:11:37.900 People just catch fire for no reason.

00:11:40.720 It's a mystery.

00:11:42.040 And so in the 1970s and 80s, in a variety of tabloid newspapers around America, grocery

00:11:48.000 store checkout, we're filled with stories of spontaneous human combustion.

00:11:54.020 Is it vengeful aliens?

00:11:55.740 Is it vengeful ghosts? 0.74

00:11:57.460 these secret Russian weapons as the cigarette industry fended off more

00:12:02.560 regulation. Presumably those stories were written and paid for by the cigarette

00:12:07.240 industry. And then I thought about, I read about the story because I wondered

00:12:13.780 you know during the last six years about like this whole sea change and what's

00:12:18.640 happening with Big Pharma and I didn't used to think much about Big Pharma. I

00:12:23.080 I traveled from time to time, and sometimes I'd go to, I went to Peru in 2010, but I've been to Southeast Asia, and I would go to a travel clinic, and I would just think, you know, I'm not going to get all the recommended vaccines, but I'll get, okay, I'll go and get my yellow fever when I go to South America, or I'll get Japanese encephalitis because they don't want to get Japanese encephalitis.

00:12:48.700 And I had no fear because I thought my vaccines would all be safe and effective.

00:12:53.680 I didn't even think about it that way, but it just seemed like the thing you did, like taking a vitamin pill.

00:13:00.200 And so, but recently, you know, in the last five years, with all that's gone on with vaccines,

00:13:07.660 I wondered about things like, well, what really happened with thalidomide,

00:13:11.380 which was this pill that pregnant women were given and then babies were born with deformities

00:13:16.540 and missing limbs and strange ears and so on and I read an article for the

00:13:22.420 first time a couple years ago that was published it's carried by the CDC in

00:13:27.480 2012 I wonder if they would carry a story like this today the headline says

00:13:33.540 thalidomide maker apologizes 50 years after drug pool the victims call

00:13:46.120 companies gesture a disgrace and insulting. I'll read it further. The headline begins,

00:13:52.440 the German manufacturer of the anti-morning sickness pill thalidomide blamed for causing

00:13:58.200 birth defects in thousands of babies as issues its first ever apology 50 years after pulling

00:14:04.600 the drug off the market. Quote, we ask for forgiveness that for nearly 50 years

00:14:10.760 We didn't find a way of reaching out to you from human being to human being, said Harold

00:14:17.900 Stock, chief executive of Grunenthal Group, a German pharmaceutical company, on Friday,

00:14:24.760 September 1, 2012.

00:14:28.680 We ask that you regard our long silence as a sign of the shock that your faith has caused

00:14:40.700 And so what this representative from this pharmaceutical company in Germany was saying, you know, we would have liked to send something to the families that have children born, you know, with all these formulas, but for the past 50 years, we've been in shock.

00:14:54.940 And so I was thinking, maybe, Tamara, it's been now about a week, seven days since the Attorney General or the Prime Minister might say something about the federal court ruling that the government was unlawfully invoking the emergencies act.

00:15:12.780 And I thought, what would it be like if we waited until 2076 for some future Attorney General to say, we meant to say something to all the Canadian people who have their bank accounts frozen and all the things that happened with the Freedom Convoy, but the past 50 years we've been in shock and so we haven't said anything.

00:15:30.460 So there's a way in which governments and corporations find ways to, well, in my way, kind of appall us in the way that they string us along with explanations like, I would have said something in the last 50 years, but I've been in shock because I didn't know what to say.

00:15:52.800 And so this is the kind of level in which we people, and I'm a person of goodwill, when I first heard about the, you know, the pandemic, you know, I was already writing a controversial book about the families of victims of September 11th and their effort to have a transparent investigation.

00:16:12.920 my book is called unanswered questions about the family steering committee for the 9-11

00:16:17.720 independent commission so i just wanted to keep my head down and just be a good citizen

00:16:23.240 you know i banged my pots and pans for 15 months and then i had a friend who was eager to get his

00:16:31.160 vaccine he was 59 years old and in the 18th of june of 2021 he got his vaccine within

00:16:39.000 And for 12 hours, he had a catastrophic stroke, and he cannot walk, basically, or talk or work to this day.

00:16:51.840 And I had another friend in St. Louis, and she began to have heart issues in the summer of 2021.

00:16:59.500 One of my mother had a good friend who was in the mid-80s,

00:17:02.720 but even still was very active in playing tennis indoors.

00:17:06.920 And when my mom's friend got her vaccine,

00:17:10.040 she waited 15 minutes in the clinic

00:17:12.540 and then got up to walk three and a half blocks home

00:17:16.140 and had to stop after a block and call a taxi 0.96

00:17:19.900 because she couldn't make her own.

00:17:21.000 And still really doesn't have, she has maybe,

00:17:24.480 my mom's friend's maybe, you know,

00:17:26.640 six blocks on a good day and that's it.

00:17:28.700 So I knew people were getting vaccine injured.

00:17:33.900 And so by the time the protests began, I really had a lot of questions.

00:17:45.100 But at the same time, a lot of my friends and people in my life were all doing their best to be in their little bubbles.

00:17:56.200 So I wasn't seeing people.

00:17:57.420 It was a very socially isolating time.

00:18:00.620 So I wanted to talk about, as well, before the convoy began, you know,

00:18:09.500 when people did, people like Christophe Freeland, when the convoy arrived in Ottawa said,

00:18:15.320 well, you go back home, or why didn't you, you know, bring this up back where you live?

00:18:20.440 And just one anecdote, Mary Ann Kloak, who was for 34 years with the CDC as a senior

00:18:29.200 journalist and reporter in Winnipeg, was on CBC News yesterday in Winnipeg, and she testified

00:18:36.800 at the National Citizens' Enquiry, and she recounted a story about what was happening,

00:18:42.940 and she was trying to get a story about what was going on on the ground.

00:18:46.920 She said, I've gotten a tip about a peaceful protest in Winnipeg about vaccine mandates.

00:18:51.940 And it was in August, late August of 2021.

00:18:55.240 There was about 2,000 people out on the street.

00:18:58.320 We didn't cover it.

00:18:59.440 We, the CBC, didn't cover it because it was decided at the editorial level that these people were spreading disinformation.

00:19:07.420 This was just unbelievable, she says.

00:19:09.200 I was stunned because I'd been sent in, you know, to cover stories and do live hits from protests with 12 people present.

00:19:16.920 But we were going to ignore a group this large and not send a camera and find out what these people had to say.

00:19:25.780 I thought not only is the size of the group no newsworthy, it was in fact it was both vaccinated and unvaccinated people that were walking together and they were united in their opposition to vaccine mandates.

00:19:39.220 I had gotten a call from someone on the protest line who says, where's the CBC?

00:19:44.680 There's people here that are cutting up their vaccine passports as a show of solidarity against the mandates.

00:19:50.900 And I thought, wow, this is a great story.

00:19:53.740 This is great visuals.

00:19:55.320 This is a powerful story of people at the Grassroots Uniting vaccinated and unvaccinated.

00:20:01.120 This is late August, Winnipeg, 2021.

00:20:04.640 Why wasn't the CBC there?

00:20:06.220 It was a decision made at the top level, rather than looking at the news that was unfolding on the ground.

00:20:14.040 Now, the cutting up of vaccine passports by vaccinated Canadians, citizens,

00:20:20.360 was reminiscent of events that happened in America in the 1960s.

00:20:24.980 In the protests of American involvement of the Vietnam War,

00:20:28.800 thousands of young people, upon receiving their notice, being drafted, burned their draft cards.

00:20:34.100 The first well-publicized incident of a draft card burning was on Christmas Eve, 1963, by a man named Gene Keyes, who was a conscientious objector and son of a University of Illinois professor.

00:20:46.800 This was his protest at one of the Chicago Tribune carried the story with the headline, U of I, Professor's Son Who Defies Draft Burns' Card.

00:20:55.820 And the image of draft card burning became iconic throughout the 1960s.

00:21:03.020 The New York Times and other papers ran these stories all the time.

00:21:07.920 Time Magazine covered a front page issue about a Catholic worker named David Miller who worked

00:21:15.500 in a soup kitchen in the Bowery in Lower Manhattan, and the Time headline read, a draft out of

00:21:23.900 the kitchen into the soup.

00:21:25.540 Anyway, so it was a big story back in the 60s about draft card work.

00:21:31.260 so um there were eventually 25 000 people would burn their draft cards but only 46 would be sent

00:21:37.180 to prison but these acts of draft card burning in small and large towns were all part of the

00:21:43.820 bread and butter of news coverage all over america for years from 63 into into the early 70s but in

00:21:52.140 canada in 2021 in winnipeg in summer 2021 when vaccinated canadians were cutting up their vaccine

00:22:00.460 passports to be in solidarity with their unvaccinated fellow Canadians, the story didn't make the news.

00:22:10.540 Marianne Clowack said when asked why we weren't there, I didn't get an answer.

00:22:17.980 It wasn't worthy of covering because in the CBC's eyes these people were going to say

00:22:22.300 that's disseminating misinformation. How could we say that if we've never spoken to any of them?

00:22:27.980 We ran a few lines of copy that day saying more than 250 people in Winnipeg held a protest against

00:22:35.020 the mandates. This was misleading and a half truth. There were at least 2,000 people

00:22:41.100 unvaccinated and vaccinated together protesting. By saying more than 250, we were trying to minimize

00:22:48.620 in fact how large it was. And to me, we missed the story entirely, which was people uniting

00:22:54.300 against the cause instead that day i was assigned a story about

00:23:00.940 a cricket infestation

00:23:06.060 no one was sent to cover the protests and the cricket story went national so there was a big

00:23:11.500 protest of vaccinated unvaccinated canadians in winnipeg 2000 or more and the cbc's response

00:23:19.100 literally was crickets now i want to also like looking back on on the view of protests

00:23:32.140 there was a liberal democratic liberal canadian democrat american view of public protests back in

00:23:40.300 the 1960s one of the icons of for many liberal progressive baby boomers and the baby boomers

00:23:47.340 just largely many of them re-elected the Liberal government last April. Back in the 60s, one of the

00:23:55.020 icons was Attorney General, later New York State Senator Robert F. Kennedy, the father of the

00:24:02.220 current RFK Jr. And in recent history, when there have been problems of the government policy,

00:24:09.500 citizens came to Washington, C.C. or Ottawa all the time to protest and seek

00:24:16.220 change. In the summer of 1967, Senator Robert F. Kennedy visited dirt shacks of 0.98

00:24:22.220 poor African Americans in Mississippi. He met with people who could not even 1.00

00:24:27.200 afford to pay the US government's two dollars a month to buy food stamps, which

00:24:31.520 is about 27 Canadian and change in 2026 per month. President Lyndon's

00:24:38.480 Johnson's war in poverty was becoming a war in America's poor. And Robert Kennedy's civil rights

00:24:44.980 activist, Marian Wright, said that Kennedy said to her, the only way there's ever going to be any

00:24:51.940 change is if it's more uncomfortable for Congress not to act than for them to act. I think what

00:24:58.780 really needs to happen is you've got to get an awful lot of poor people who just come to Washington 0.99

00:25:04.580 and saying that they're going to stay there until something happens,

00:25:08.200 and it gets really unpleasant for the lawmakers and the politicians,

00:25:12.740 and there are some arrests.

00:25:14.220 It's just very nasty business, and Congress gets really embarrassed,

00:25:17.380 and they finally have to act.

00:25:20.120 And also, I've read that Senator Robert Kennedy,

00:25:25.820 he announced his, he launched his campaign to run for president

00:25:31.580 for the Democratic ticket on March the 18th, 1968.

00:25:37.280 And I heard, you know, there was a song after he was assassinated

00:25:41.680 where there was a quote where he quotes from George Bernard Shaw

00:25:46.300 that says, some people see things the way they are and say why.

00:25:51.680 I dreamed things that never were to say why not.

00:25:55.080 But I didn't know more about what he said in that speech,

00:25:57.520 so I looked it up.

00:25:58.340 And he quoted a newspaper editor and owner of the Emporia, Kansas, back from 1932, an editorial by William Allen White.

00:26:10.980 White was a strong critic of the Ku Klux Klan, a proponent of Roosevelt's New Deal policies.

00:26:17.160 And Kennedy quoted White from the editorial, underscoring this.

00:26:20.940 If our colleges and universities do not breed men, and women today we might say, who riot,

00:26:29.000 who rebel, who attack life with all the youthful vigor and vision, there is something wrong

00:26:35.600 with our colleges.

00:26:37.320 The more riots that come out of our college campuses, the better the world tomorrow.

00:26:42.780 Harry said, I know what a great affection this university has for him, William Allen

00:26:47.780 the white performer, editor of the Emporia Gazette.

00:26:51.200 He is an honored man today, for he spoke as he believed.

00:26:56.060 He did not conceal in concern and comforting words.

00:26:59.180 He did not delude his readers or himself

00:27:01.260 with false hopes and with illusions.

00:27:04.060 This spirit of honest confrontation

00:27:05.960 is what America needs today.

00:27:08.140 It has been missing all too often in recent years,

00:27:10.840 and this is why I'm running for president

00:27:13.420 of the United States of America.

00:27:16.720 Now, the media response, I mean,

00:27:19.440 here's Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the senator from New York,

00:27:22.780 saying, I'm gonna run for president.

00:27:24.940 And he's citing, you know, wouldn't that be great

00:27:28.720 if more people on our colleges and campuses

00:27:30.740 were protesting and rioting and rebelling?

00:27:34.400 And the media at the time applauded his response.

00:27:39.080 Now, imagine the media we've had in Canada

00:27:41.660 the last five years would not respond,

00:27:44.080 would not applaud anyone who suggested

00:27:45.960 there be protests or never mind riots, because the media has basically been telling us, just

00:27:54.280 cooperate, get along, keep your head down, follow all the orders. And so I think it's

00:28:01.280 so ironic that we have this iconic person back in the 1960s, Robert F. Kennedy, that

00:28:07.760 was so revered by so many of our aging baby boomers in Canada today, who now have flipped

00:28:13.940 their whole script and so they're they're nervous about people who protest and the moment something

00:28:20.100 is reported on the news about insurrection and mercenaries and everything else they believe the

00:28:26.020 most catastrophic uh narrative going around so and um i want to also you know honoring tamara and and

00:28:36.740 and Chris and others who have been behind bars,

00:28:42.740 Robert Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, in 1960,

00:28:46.560 was very upset because someone named Dr. Martin Luther King,

00:28:50.240 Jr. had been placed in a maximum security prison

00:28:56.160 in Leavesville, Georgia.

00:28:58.600 Why was this?

00:28:59.540 Well, he had joined a student sit-in

00:29:02.500 in Rich's Department Store in Atlanta,

00:29:05.540 And while the students were released,

00:29:08.400 Dr. King was left there.

00:29:11.540 And it was a suspended sentence for driving

00:29:17.420 without a Georgia license.

00:29:20.240 Now, I've got a rental car.

00:29:23.540 I have a British Columbia license.

00:29:26.060 And I flew to Calgary and picked up my Alberta license car.

00:29:31.760 And I'm going to be driving in Saskatchewan tomorrow,

00:29:34.120 all with my DC license.

00:29:36.660 If I then pulled over,

00:29:38.500 I'll show them my British Columbia license.

00:29:40.920 But Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was arrested

00:29:44.440 and put in shackles and put on a chain gang,

00:29:49.760 all because he was driving with an Alabama license

00:29:53.780 instead of a Georgia license.

00:29:55.780 His real crime, it seems to Robert F. Kennedy,

00:29:59.080 was that he was traveling with a white man

00:30:02.120 his crime was interracial driving. But Kennedy, you know, phoned the judge in Georgia, Oscar

00:30:13.400 Mitchell, demanding to know why the judge hadn't recognized Martin Luther King's right

00:30:18.020 to be bonded out. And, you know, so there was this view, and this is the kind of story

00:30:23.780 that would be told by people on college campuses and universities in Canada back in the 60s

00:30:30.160 about how a punishment has to fit the crime if someone's being arrested for having the wrong

00:30:36.000 driver's license driving in a different state you don't put them in shackles and make them

00:30:40.160 work on a chain gang and in the same way we have witnessed um uh tamara uh getting a photo um with

00:30:49.680 tom morazzo and then uh near the lawyer nearby and nonetheless in swoops the uh the authorities to

00:30:57.840 take you from venison hat all the way back to ottawa you know homicide detectives yeah

00:31:03.600 aren't i special not just any detective it was like because they don't have things to do like

00:31:08.640 you know solve murders or anything yeah so so so again so many things have happened that just flip

00:31:16.480 uh the script it's like it's like people um people who once cared about these stories that i'm

00:31:22.560 sighting, that would have been known. I took part in conversations in university where people would

00:31:29.520 talk about these things in a civics class or American politics class, and it was all, you know,

00:31:38.320 got people really worked up, but they were familiar with these kinds of stories or others like them,

00:31:44.160 and yet that generation by degrees, you know, not all of the people who are gave rooms or

00:31:50.240 forgotten that or forgotten the fire of why it's important for college students today to be you

00:31:55.920 know demanding questions and so on but many people have gotten to a place where where they want to

00:32:02.640 be uh you know where safetyism is is is the new god and that that's dangerous and and also um

00:32:11.040 you know as as i've been you know writing about uh and researching one of the things that i that's

00:32:18.640 come along in the last year is that a whole trance of over 1800 emails sent by or received

00:32:26.080 by Dr. Theresa Tam our federal public health minister or chief chief of public health

00:32:34.640 and just for the context or cite a few things in my book on January 29th 2020 an internal email

00:32:43.520 was sent at 8 14 p.m. to both Dr. Theresa Tam and the Deputy Chief of Public Health Officer Dr.

00:32:51.760 Howard New. It was subsequently made available through access to information requests and

00:32:58.160 posted online by a man named Brett Sears back in October. And the subject heading is

00:33:06.160 NML testing alteration and NML stands for the National Microbiology Laboratory.

00:33:13.040 i hate all these acronyms but anyway and and and the testing alteration these email refers to the

00:33:20.560 sac which is the special advisory committee on code 19 and the tac which is the technical

00:33:26.640 advisory committee now we got this this national microbiology laboratory testing alteration

00:33:35.920 Teresa, it says, I have just been informed that unannounced National Microbiology Laboratory

00:33:43.760 has developed another novel coronavirus real-time PCR test that they are planning to go public

00:33:51.520 tomorrow. At noon today, you didn't mention this, and there's been no communication

00:33:56.400 from the Special Advisory Committee on COVID-19 in this regard. Furthermore, the National Microbiology

00:34:02.240 laboratory has redone one of its redacted negative test samples and and have noted

00:34:08.960 notified our redactor that is now positive so this was then communicated to a local redactor

00:34:15.760 person that the original test may not be correct so what's happening what what the person is

00:34:20.800 alerting dr tam to is that the national microbiology laboratory is receiving negative pcr tests

00:34:27.680 and then some of these are being flipped by staffers to be positive and so when we think

00:34:35.180 about all of those months and days every day we got so many positive cases of COVID-19 we now can

00:34:44.000 understand that a percentage of those positive cases had been negative and that there were staff

00:34:50.060 just flipping them for public dissemination as well as you know so that that's that alteration

00:34:57.820 as well as the pcr tests it goes on um to say that we have even more false positives

00:35:06.140 and we know that the initial pcr test may be a poor indicator of current infection

00:35:12.380 it's a very sensitive indicator of past episodes maybe you could have had covid 19 three to six

00:35:18.620 weeks ago and so the test you got today says you're positive but we know that

00:35:23.360 actually you're probably negative but you might have had six weeks ago and so

00:35:27.860 and so as a result the person you don't know the name of who this person is

00:35:31.520 internally it's all with active but they're saying to Dr. Theresa Tan we are

00:35:36.320 trying to do some damage control at this end and I as I don't know why negative

00:35:41.180 samples were sent to the National Microbiology Laboratory in the first

00:35:44.540 place this is not consistent with protocol your insight and position on this matter would be

00:35:49.820 appreciated and i can tell you from from what i can see from other other emails that that the

00:35:55.820 answer from public health was you're just going to double down and pretend that what you've written

00:35:59.740 to us doesn't exist and so uh so when um when i ended up writing my book i was my mother my

00:36:11.020 mother is now 94 and at the time she would have been 90. So you know so I see her you know I talk

00:36:17.660 to her every day and see her three or four times a week and and I was not going to be traveling to

00:36:23.820 Ottawa. But I did go to a protest that happened on Robson Street in Garrard area in downtown Vancouver

00:36:32.460 and and I have I don't have to watch the TV since 1990 since the Persian Gulf War I'd rather not

00:36:41.760 get all the visuals and stuff I'd rather just read things or listen listen to a podcast or radio so

00:36:48.960 and that's probably a good thing for me because I think what would it have been like if if I was a

00:36:56.640 citizen in Canada been watching all the apparently scary visuals of people

00:37:02.700 falling over dead in China and big white tents for the dad of the sick in

00:37:11.960 Central Park in New York City and all the stuff that was going on. Maybe I

00:37:16.380 would have been scared out of my mind but I wasn't because I wasn't seeing all

00:37:19.380 this stuff. So I went to this I went to this protest not knowing who would be

00:37:24.100 there and i knew that there were some people people some people told me that you know well

00:37:28.820 these are scary people that might be white supremacists and i thought well i know the

00:37:32.900 downtown vancouver area pretty well and if if i have to if it gets if it gets frightening for me

00:37:39.060 i can just stop down now but anyway i got to this there was a band a band stand and a

00:37:46.820 a platform and a woman was speaking and the person speaking was anita krishna anita krishna

00:37:53.220 had just been fired after working for 20 years with global tv news uh and she was she was somebody

00:38:00.420 responsible for doing you know directing the the nightly newscasts and and she said to uh

00:38:09.540 focus on what she actually said because it was i wrote it down when i listened to her speaking

00:38:16.420 she she she invited us to look around at who was there a variety of people from different

00:38:21.540 ethnic backgrounds caucasian asian and so on and she said all you people here today all of what

00:38:28.420 you're seeing this is not going to happen tonight on the six o'clock news and and you know how i

00:38:34.660 know that because i directed the news for 20 years at global tv and and so when i heard that

00:38:43.700 and i wasn't watching the news about what was happening at the convoy in ottawa but i knew that

00:38:49.940 very likely I can trust that whatever the stories were that were coming out of Ottawa that they

00:38:57.020 weren't trustworthy. But what was happening for me in my own life was I would have these

00:39:02.900 occasional visits with people who were who were watching the nightly news on CBC and CTV and global

00:39:10.760 and they were just exploding in anger at all of the Nazis and white supremacists and and rapists

00:39:18.740 and you know people were trying to overthrow the government and and i just be listening i i was

00:39:23.860 like i had it was like i was a counselor and i was doing a therapy session all of a sudden i didn't

00:39:28.740 plan to but the people were so upset from what they were seeing and i just didn't know what to

00:39:33.860 make of it however um i had gone to university of toronto and i had studied something about the

00:39:41.060 the War Measures Act and its inlocation during the October crisis, the FLQ crisis, in 1970.

00:39:50.040 And I remembered that, I mean, in that case, there was one diplomat that was murdered,

00:39:56.680 another was kidnapped, and there was, you know, all talk and all manner of things going on,

00:40:01.780 like Quebec and everything.

00:40:04.840 But even still, I knew that the leader of the New Democratic Party, Tommy Douglas,

00:40:10.320 strongly questioned Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau's decision to invoke the war measures

00:40:20.380 after that time. And he said at the time that when a government reaches for the most extreme measure,

00:40:28.860 that is when members of the opposition parties have to ask the toughest questions.

00:40:33.860 And so I just knew inside of myself that there was something wrong with the invocation of the

00:40:41.500 Verses Act. And so then I quickly just decided to do a deep dive, seeing what I could see from

00:40:48.000 live stream, and also looking at the history of protests in Canada since World War I, going back

00:40:56.440 to the Winnipeg strike and other things, the march from Regina to Ottawa. And even though our

00:41:02.460 Prime Minister R.B. Bennett in 1935 didn't like the strikers that came from the West.

00:41:09.080 He met together with some other people on his side with eight protesters.

00:41:14.420 They had a test seat discussion, but he met with them.

00:41:17.780 And that was the way that the politicians dealt with protests

00:41:22.380 pretty much all the way up until January 3rd, 2022 in Ottawa.

00:41:28.500 so I wrote a long article and I have no background in with the media or papers or anything so I just

00:41:41.420 sort of was I wrote this article and I found a website actually kind of a progressive left

00:41:48.680 website called I think called dissenting voice down in the states and they took my article

00:41:54.800 writing all notes you know what it just happened I think I published on the 20th

00:41:59.960 of February and then after that I just got more and more interested and started

00:42:04.220 writing more articles and and I I'd seen enough that I decided I'm flying my own

00:42:13.940 line from Vancouver to Ottawa and be there the week of the 14th to 18th of

00:42:19.040 November of 2022, just when I met Tamara and Tom Aras and a few other people.

00:42:25.360 One of the things I found really interesting, I was walking down Wellington Street every

00:42:31.280 day.

00:42:32.020 There were still barricades.

00:42:34.400 Nobody was able to drive a vehicle down Wellington Street.

00:42:39.120 And it was as if the ghost of the convoy was in the minds of the mayor and maybe the federal

00:42:47.860 government that they wanted to remind the citizens of Ottawa how dangerous the convoi is still have

00:42:53.460 these barricades up in case some crazy protester came out of nowhere so I'd drive that long history

00:42:59.220 so um but also you know had to go through security like you do uh going to an airport

00:43:05.700 and and then I would go in and I mean the week I was there I mean there were people

00:43:10.180 Brenda Luckey, the RCMP Commissioner, David Bignone, the Head of the Canadian Security

00:43:17.860 and Intelligence Services, a number of people from Transport Canada. There was people like

00:43:23.700 Janice Charette, who was the Clerk of the Privy Council, and her Deputy Natalie Drouin, and the

00:43:31.300 National Security Advisor, the Prime Minister, Joey Thomas, among others. And most of these

00:43:37.620 people i've never heard of in my life and i took lots of notes and and listened but i also was

00:43:44.100 aware that most of the time that i was there that week uh you know tamara was noticed and

00:43:50.260 dustin trudeau was noticed and there'd be maybe six to a half six to a dozen people in the gallery

00:43:56.740 listening and so i thought this is really interesting there's been this really consequential

00:44:02.420 event in january february 2022 in ottawa you have people that are supporting the the protesters and

00:44:10.100 you can see from from kind of the map of where the crowdfunding was happening there were a lot

00:44:15.780 of people getting money in ottawa because a lot of people coming down with with little bags of

00:44:20.500 cash or envelopes or handing money to to protesters and giving them food and then there were a lot of

00:44:26.020 people that were angry and upset about the protests but there were people that had strong

00:44:30.660 feelings on all kinds of sides. But when it came to actually being in the gallery to see the

00:44:35.460 Public Order Emergency Commission, there wasn't that much interest. People seemed to want to

00:44:40.260 hear what the media would tell them and what was happening. I think that's too bad because

00:44:46.740 the week that I was there, there was an awful lot of testimony that was really exonerating

00:44:51.800 the protesters. I'll give you some examples. Janice Shurep put together, one of the key people

00:44:59.240 putting together the incident response group with a bunch of poobahs from 1.00

00:45:02.740 different cabinet jurisdictions and other policing agencies and they all went 1.00

00:45:08.420 together and they're trying to figure out what's going on why are these people

00:45:13.400 here what can we find out and they did not decide they would send one or two or

00:45:19.740 more amongst themselves out perhaps with armed bodyguards if they needed to to

00:45:24.740 see who these people are and meet them or observe them from from you know the edge of the sidewalk

00:45:30.980 no um janice surette said she got some of her best information about who the people were

00:45:36.500 they were protesting from watching the nightly news so so you have this loop where you've got

00:45:43.700 the key people that are supposed to be giving the prime minister direction about whether or

00:45:47.540 not to evoke the emergency's app that are turning on the nightmare news to see what rosemary barton

00:45:52.580 or the counterparts in the CTD or the global news are saying about the protesters so they

00:45:57.700 can make up their mind about whether or not to advise invoke the mercies after them.

00:46:03.220 There was Jody Thomas, the National Security Advisor, the Prime Minister,

00:46:08.660 who was very impressive on the stand and she had a long suit with Coast Guard. She had only been in

00:46:15.540 her position for a month she she was not acquainted with with intelligence all

00:46:22.800 of those things you might want to have someone in her position but nonetheless

00:46:26.160 there he was and within a month of her getting her new position she was advising

00:46:31.020 the Prime Minister to invoke the emergencies app she was asked about you

00:46:36.300 know there was this the emergencies act replaced the war measures act

00:46:41.040 legislation. In 1988, Perrin Beattie was the minister of the Maloney government, and it's very

00:46:47.600 clear there's four triggers for a national emergency. There's sabotage, espionage, serious

00:46:55.480 violence that neither the police nor the military can handle, or a plot to overthrow the government.

00:47:01.780 And then these things have to be tangible, not just theoretical. So, you know, she, like others,

00:47:07.720 earlier in the week like David Vigneault kind of went no no no but she didn't say no to all of them

00:47:12.580 she said when she was asked about serious violence she was she didn't say yes there was serious

00:47:19.420 violence she said well there was continual violence so she swapped out the word serious

00:47:24.360 now we're talking about continual violence but what do you mean she said well there was hogging

00:47:29.780 the horns. And it had already been established from my hearing people talking under testimony

00:47:37.680 that week, that the horn hawking through an injunction of Justice McClain has stopped

00:47:42.880 for all intents and purposes by the 7th of February. And the emergency act wasn't about

00:47:48.460 until the 14th of February. I have a colleague, author Donna Lafferbois, who wrote a wonderful

00:47:54.560 book called thank you truckers and she's a former national post reporter and she arrived with a

00:47:59.920 friend of hers who actually just wanted to go shopping in ottawa there they were at the protest

00:48:06.160 and and donna laughed her boss said to me that she was surprised when she arrived on the afternoon

00:48:11.840 of the seventh river and stayed there till about the 12th she was surprised there was really hardly

00:48:18.080 any honking at all and and so that that's reflected what i'm what i'm learning was that

00:48:23.920 the injunction you know there were road captains uh for each block walk captains and they would go

00:48:30.320 around and say well this is the injunction put it on the on the dashboard of the of each driver

00:48:37.920 each truck driver or other drivers of other vehicles and say this is the injunction you can't

00:48:43.360 hawk your horns. If you do hawk your horn, we're going to come and cut your

00:48:47.280 airport. And so it seems to me from what I can

00:48:50.240 gather that the real

00:48:54.560 exceptions, if there was anybody that came in and

00:48:56.960 hawked their horn after the 7th of

00:49:00.880 February, it would be somebody coming in from Maritimes or Quebec or

00:49:05.760 somewhere else in Ontario or the west that hadn't got

00:49:09.200 the memo about the injunction. They might come in,

00:49:11.600 pop the horn and quickly be told no we're not doing that anymore so so there was that so so

00:49:17.440 okay so that doesn't really seem to hold water jody thomas so well she said well there was pollution

00:49:25.360 and she explained well you know there was diesel horn now diesel diesel uh you know diesel

00:49:31.840 trucks running diesel fumes now we live in a country where from time to time we hear about

00:49:39.360 one of maybe over a hundred different first nations reserves where they haven't had clean

00:49:44.640 drinking water for a half a dozen a dozen 25 30 years now that's pollution there's a problem with

00:49:52.400 pollution there but in any event there was this lure toward catastrophizing and i don't know

00:49:59.360 whether i don't know it'd be interesting for someone to try and i'm not going to do this do

00:50:03.040 a study of the kind of person ends up in these kinds of depositions maybe they're kind of filtered

00:50:08.880 out through human resources they get certain kind of people who end up being the finalists to be

00:50:14.080 interviewed and maybe they're the kind of people who are most likely to to jump on a bandwagon for

00:50:20.960 catastrophizing another example of that was natalie duran who's the deputy clerk of the

00:50:26.880 privy council and she was asked about invoking emergency act she said well we had to invoke

00:50:31.600 emergency act if we hadn't invoked emergency act then there might have been a real emergency

00:50:35.680 and it's like

00:50:37.680 this thinking is like we had to like preemptively

00:50:39.940 invoke Murcia because then things could have

00:50:41.920 gotten out of hand. Well what do you

00:50:43.880 mean? Well they

00:50:45.280 had children with them

00:50:47.040 and it's like 0.58

00:50:49.920 they were using children's human shields

00:50:51.620 and I would look at the

00:50:53.460 video, live streaming

00:50:56.080 children throwing snowballs

00:50:58.360 making snowmen

00:51:00.100 making little snow

00:51:01.980 castles and

00:51:03.540 playing ball hockey or being pushed around in strollers with their parents

00:51:09.080 or eating a hot dog or a samosa inside a warm truck but you know the children

00:51:15.380 were not you know this was not the Syrian civil war going on on Wellington

00:51:19.340 Street so but but there was there's this this word to catastrophize it and I

00:51:24.780 think that when you want to have people in key positions of power who are the

00:51:30.800 people who will who will be the people that the prime minister will turn to to say yes or no should

00:51:37.600 i vote the mercies act in this case you don't want to have people who are most closely resembled

00:51:44.660 personality types chick and little who are running around saying sky is falling you need to have

00:51:50.400 people in the cabinet need to have key senior bureaucrats who who who are the kind of people

00:51:58.460 who might say in the face of other people that are feeling nervous and anxious, calm down. It's

00:52:04.200 not that bad. But we didn't have that. And I think that regardless of what government takes

00:52:11.220 shape and, you know, governments change in the future, you want to have people who can say,

00:52:19.500 calm down, who want to be able to say, let's get a grip and not say the sky is falling. But that's

00:52:25.140 we have in January, February of 2022. So I wrote this book, you know, after I went to the Public

00:52:40.340 Board of Emergency Commission, I eventually read all 2,200 pages of three volumes of the Enquiry,

00:52:47.220 some of this very dry reading, but there's things that just popped out at me.

00:53:00.020 Justice Paul Rouleau is musing at one point about serious violence and how you deal with

00:53:06.980 the violence.

00:53:07.980 Now, of course, nobody was arrested in Ottawa for punching anybody in the jaw or kicking 0.99

00:53:14.000 anyone in the shims.

00:53:15.500 There was no incidents where a business was able to say,

00:53:19.420 this protester broke my front store window.

00:53:23.120 That didn't happen.

00:53:26.820 So we've got a lack of violence,

00:53:31.600 but nonetheless, there's this kind of rolling sense

00:53:36.500 that there was violence in the air.

00:53:39.340 And Justice Rouleau, you know, at one point is asked,

00:53:43.840 well, you know, could we have called in the army?

00:53:48.780 He goes, well, you know, we could have called in the army,

00:53:51.300 but, you know, you know, but that was then and this is now.

00:53:56.300 Now, you know, I suppose we could say this is now we have a smaller army,

00:54:01.360 but the capacity to deal with a protest, a peaceful protest,

00:54:06.400 was still there if they wanted to.

00:54:08.680 but this is the kind of way in which there's just flippant uh uh conclusions that are reached

00:54:15.640 a rush to judgment a rush to shrug uh the gravity of the question they're being asked to consider

00:54:22.440 and this happens over and over again i mean with the with the case of the of the coots uh two

00:54:30.920 now i don't nobody can know what's in the head of the jurors because in a canadian system once

00:54:37.320 the jury makes a decision, they're not going to speak.

00:54:43.120 One of the people who was convicted and still remains in custody is Tony Oleana, and he

00:54:50.560 had this additional charge of possession of an explosive for a dangerous purpose.

00:54:58.820 Now what I understand is his father, who was in the Canadian Armed Forces a peacekeeper

00:55:05.200 I think in Cyprus, moved on from that life and worked at a stone quarry in southern Alberta,

00:55:14.960 as did his son, you know, to what extent or how often, occasionally or full-time, I don't know.

00:55:21.680 But in any event, they worked at the stone quarry and the father knew how to create an explosive

00:55:29.360 device which you get from a small piece of piping at a local hardware store with some easily

00:55:35.840 attainable from a hardware store a little bit of gunpowder and what they would do was when the drill

00:55:43.040 when they're trying to drill into the rock wall to get different parts pieces of rock to make flag

00:55:49.760 stones or whatever else you want to do for rock garden and so on occasionally the drill gets stuck

00:55:56.480 in the stone wall and so we would use this explosive device to produce large the drill

00:56:03.360 the father died in 2017 which included this now rather corroded explosive device which

00:56:12.960 may not even have worked anymore but nonetheless the son received that item plus many other items

00:56:20.640 as well as his mother receiving other items from the father's estate and then that that explosive

00:56:27.200 device went into his home in claire's home which is a two-hour drive away from coops but if you

00:56:35.280 read the papers or heard the newscasts you might think as a tv follower or a reader of the papers

00:56:45.440 that there was this explosive device in the middle of the streets of coops that was about ready

00:56:49.600 to to to be exploded but it was two hours away now uh it may be a technicality in which contributed

00:56:57.600 to tony olianic being being convicted on this charge the father had a permit for the explosive

00:57:04.800 device and after the father died the son didn't renew the permit and that might be part of what

00:57:11.520 ended up happening in terms of the mind of jury again i can't know but in any event uh there's uh

00:57:18.000 there's a way in which this whole story tells us something about about a certain

00:57:28.080 leadership that's developed over time in bureaucracies and governments and even i think

00:57:34.400 in corporate life as well because when when deputy prime minister and finance minister

00:57:42.240 christopher freeland was meeting with a number of heads of different banks uh they seem to be quite

00:57:49.680 not all of them it may even seem to be quite open to the idea of freezing bank accounts so um so

00:57:56.000 again this kind of uh this group thing that happens that that that goes toward these kinds of

00:58:02.880 of decisions is is is really concerning for for where we're going as a country so uh i think um

00:58:10.880 so so so i read the the whole three volumes i read the

00:58:20.400 and then i i went to uh covert action magazine which is another liberal left-wing publication

00:58:27.920 in washington dc and i gave them a 7 000 word article critiquing the uh report that that came

00:58:35.440 up in february of 2023 and then after that happened then i ended up on eight or ten different

00:58:42.640 podcasts in america and on the trish woods critical show in canada and a couple other

00:58:48.880 ones in europe and then that led to my being you know folks to write a book which is what then

00:58:55.920 happen so uh so i am so the book came out i mean in september 2024 i sent my manuscript in march

00:59:05.360 of 2024 so of course much has happened nearly two years later and i want to chronicle more of that

00:59:12.880 later on but uh i'm uh i find myself almost like the accidental author of this kind of a book

00:59:19.680 and it certainly has been I live now kind of a divine life I have my historic friends in my

00:59:28.620 address book and members of relatives that do or don't know what I'm writing about I've certainly

00:59:34.920 lost dozens of friends over this and then I have made newer friends and now I have Christmas parties

00:59:43.680 or christmas tree decorating parties i have my historic friends that meet together and talk about

00:59:51.120 things and sings and carols and then i have my newer friends who are you know a teacher that

00:59:56.800 was fired from from their job for having a class discussion with grade sixes before the convoy even

01:00:04.240 arrived in ottawa to ask them what they thought about the news story they were fired from their

01:00:08.480 job for doing that. I've met a number of doctors that have talked about the science in the way that

01:00:14.480 Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Theresa Tam never could seem to and Carl Harrison and other people that

01:00:23.200 I've gotten to know and so it's a very interesting road that I feel like I take one step at a time

01:00:31.680 and and tonight the staff i took led me to this house the house of house arrest

01:00:40.880 i hope that wasn't too long but uh but thank you so much no that was fantastic um thank you

01:00:48.080 does anybody do you guys have any questions for ray anybody have any questions at all

01:00:54.080 anybody online have any questions for ray let's see

01:00:57.920 i was just thinking when you were talking about uh vietnam coat that thing and that's my age group

01:01:07.600 that night matter of fact within the first three weeks of vietnam war i lost money 0.97

01:01:13.760 but five miles from my home the bath dodgers from across the border and they had a nudist

01:01:22.160 call me oh i never got to go to it because i was told it's full of drugs

01:01:28.240 they never invited me because i was a drunk

01:01:33.920 but but they were they were protesting the vietnam war the vietnam war was very different

01:01:42.080 than the second world war first world war because those veterans all come back

01:01:46.800 some of them 10 at a time where the second world war they all come back all at once

01:01:55.040 and so these guys would come back and people are so made of them

01:02:01.760 it's uh yeah i mean i you you watch some of the the uh the documentaries and you know i mean i had

01:02:10.480 I had friends of mine in Sacramento, and my friend Deborah's husband, whose name, I can't remember his name now, but this is back in the early 2000s, but he, you know, in a way, he was still fighting Vietnam.

01:02:26.480 And, you know, it's, you know, what happens to, you know, regardless of what you think

01:02:34.200 in any theater of war, when you have people who return from the battlefield, so often

01:02:42.240 there's a lack of support, you know, and too many people who are veterans in America

01:02:50.240 and in canada end up being among the homeless because uh it's just it's just too too tough a

01:02:56.880 burden and they're difficult sometimes to live with uh marriages fall apart you can't get a job

01:03:04.060 and so yeah it's it's a it's a real challenge they're medically destroyed as well yeah and i

01:03:11.220 feel like it's deliberate yeah i have a question from sherilyn online here she's watching us on

01:03:18.960 YouTube, she's asking, has there been any pushback

01:03:21.920 that you have found regarding childhood vaccines?

01:03:26.800 Any pushback regarding childhood vaccines?

01:03:31.460 You know, the childhood vaccines in Canada,

01:03:37.260 I don't, I'm not aware of any big turnaround

01:03:43.860 in terms of the childhood vaccines

01:03:46.320 being recommended, including COVID vaccines for the very young in Canada.

01:03:54.080 Where there has been some shift is in America, and that's a real difficult tug-of-war because you get

01:04:04.880 people on new committees in the Center for Disease Control or the National Institutes of Health,

01:04:11.440 and you have you know people of goodwill that are trying to scale back to 72 vaccines or

01:04:18.160 you know suggesting well maybe like maybe we shouldn't be doing all these vaccines at once

01:04:23.760 because you know i've read that in japan they decided we're not going to give any vaccinations

01:04:30.560 to any children under the magnitude and it should be a matter of interest for canadian

01:04:38.560 researchers and american researchers and beyond that it seems that suddenly in japan sudden infant

01:04:45.280 death syndrome has virtually disappeared interesting you know i i'm not going to bother venturing to

01:04:51.120 say why that is but i think since the japanese don't vaccinate children under two and that's

01:04:57.600 happened we should be interested in that and learn more about it diane townsend said she enjoyed your

01:05:04.560 book. Thanks, Diana. I'm in the USA. My state is still upholding childhood vaccines that were

01:05:16.700 removed. That's from Catwright in the USA. So must be dependent on states. All right.

01:05:28.240 When you were doing all the research for this book, what was the biggest thing that

01:05:36.240 stuck out to you when you were going through and learning about all of our politicians

01:05:41.440 got there?

01:05:42.440 They're stuck in feedback with you when they get information.

01:05:45.240 What was the biggest glaring incident that stuck out to you when someone was getting

01:05:50.240 information from a bad place in the decision?

01:05:56.240 Wait, maybe just repeat the question, Val, just in case it doesn't make sense.

01:06:01.640 So the question was like, one thing that really stuck out in terms of where politicians were

01:06:05.880 getting, you know, bad information leading to policies that they were implementing.

01:06:17.040 Well, I've now read the heavily redacted 59-page agreements between the Government of Canada

01:06:26.040 and Pfizer that came out in October, I think October 26th of 2020, signed by Anita Anand

01:06:33.040 and Pfizer.

01:06:34.040 And it's very clear in that agreement that the Government of Canada, or anybody who knows

01:06:41.040 who knows how to read English, should know that what Pfizer was telling our government

01:06:45.980 was that, you know, we've only had trials for, you know, these many weeks, eight weeks,

01:06:56.880 and we don't know what the outcomes are going to be when people take these vaccines.

01:07:02.740 Because you don't, you can't, you can't say, well, we know that people with Crohn's disease

01:07:07.860 are going to fare poorly, or you don't know, because you only have eight weeks of data.

01:07:15.780 So I think that the dishonesty of knowing that Pfizer was saying, we can't guarantee

01:07:26.900 that this is going to be safe, basically what they're saying in the document, and then the

01:07:31.620 government uh the account that just barrels along and says great you've got this vaccine

01:07:38.020 so that would be one thing it says um so there's an awful lot of dishonesty in the

01:07:44.420 the uh coming down down the states uh i mean pfizer uh and the fit and the

01:07:51.300 the FDA, the federal drug administration, were tag-teaming regarding trying to make sure

01:08:05.020 that all of Pfizer's documents would not be released until, I think, what, 2096.

01:08:14.300 And thankfully, there was a judge in the States that said, no, you have to release them.

01:08:18.340 One of the documents that got released was about, which I cite in my book, the cumulative data of what was happening in the first, really, 75, it's like three months, but really, for most cases, mid-December until the end of February,

01:08:38.020 one of the adverse reactions that are happening from not just america but other other countries

01:08:44.740 as well and and what they what the what pfizer's worldwide safety branch reported

01:08:52.340 to the higher-ups on the 30th of april 2021 was that by the end of february

01:09:00.020 1223 people who had received the new vaccine had died now at that point like 28th of february

01:09:11.900 there's still going to be some people who've been jabbed and maybe die a few days later in march that

01:09:17.480 that won't have been gone to an autopsy or seen a you know a coroner and so on but in any event

01:09:23.620 that should have been a big headline and and it was it was now it's information that was known

01:09:31.300 it i i think the people at rochelle walensky out in the states and dr teresa tam dr bonnie henry

01:09:39.580 and your dr dina pen shell yeah pen shell would very likely have known about this kind of

01:09:47.500 information and then their response let's do damage control so so this is this is one thing

01:09:54.700 that's very disturbing about the uh the insular it's like we need to defend they don't want to

01:10:01.100 defend the public they want to defend the institution and that that's a disturbing 0.83

01:10:07.660 road that we're on thank you for your question uh rick spruill our good friend who was with us in

01:10:16.460 ottawa um he came with one of our road captains ryan he says thank you for the book great work

01:10:22.380 thank you

01:10:26.460 all right does anybody else have any more questions for ray

01:10:33.020 and if not i'll just i'll just add one thing yeah about about the book like

01:10:37.420 i mean i was uh you know the frontier center the public policy wanted me to you know to go ahead

01:10:44.060 writing about we got it done through the sub someone house publisher in in toronto

01:10:51.660 um they decided the publisher decided to get the book printed in turkey

01:10:58.140 and the book was probably going to be released and published in august of 2024 however uh when

01:11:06.620 when they got shipped out of turkey back to canada it spent three whole weeks uh customs

01:11:13.420 kind of customs and probably somebody got to read the whole book very carefully

01:11:19.260 so that's one thing you know and and for whatever reason the publisher sullen house has not had my

01:11:25.340 ebook up and running since mid-september which frustrates me so i you know i don't know whether

01:11:31.340 they get pressure from people this so um but but i think too like the book was written uh like

01:11:40.860 once you get this book written and so I kind of jump right into uh into the action in January

01:11:47.740 2022 but I know there's much more probably I'll write more in the future that tells more about

01:11:53.100 what was happening before January 2022 because we need to have it we need to tell the story

01:11:59.980 we also need to know our history because we continue if we turn to the national news

01:12:05.580 we continue to be given half-truths and flat-out lies.

01:12:12.580 And seeing our Foreign Crime Minister, Justin Trudeau, being pursued by some people in the press in Davos,

01:12:21.580 he was asked by a young British reporter, he was saying, you know,

01:12:27.580 how do you feel about what happened with the Mercy's Act, but also with the vaccine?

01:12:34.580 And this young reporter is talking about how he's got, I think, family members or a colleague of his who's been very seriously.

01:12:42.180 His mother, I thought it was, or his aunt.

01:12:44.280 It was his mother or his aunt?

01:12:47.180 Yeah.

01:12:47.600 Yeah.

01:12:48.160 So when people tell a heart-rending story, somehow our prime minister thinks he's just going to wave it away.

01:12:56.400 So we need to change the culture and try and help people revisit what it means to be compassionate.

01:13:06.340 Yeah.

01:13:07.660 Well, I think I'll just come and join you for a moment while we wrap up here.

01:13:13.260 And, I mean, I think that's one of the big things that we did sort of experience through the pandemic.

01:13:19.360 And I always say it felt like we lost our humanity.

01:13:21.940 And, I mean, I just want to remind everyone that it has been six full days since the Federal

01:13:28.120 Court of Appeals upheld Justice Moseley's decision, and we have yet to have a statement

01:13:33.280 from the PMO.

01:13:34.280 We have yet to have a statement from the Justice Minister.

01:13:37.140 Our mainstream media is not asking any tough questions.

01:13:40.260 I mean, it's quite unfathomable when you think about the magnitude of the ruling.

01:13:48.440 I think it's stage seven.

01:13:51.180 Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

01:13:53.660 You're right, you're right, it is.

01:13:55.520 And there was a really interesting comment a friend of mine made today,

01:13:58.200 and it's like, it said something to the effect of,

01:14:00.800 the one thing I learned about Canada is that mischief is treated more harshly

01:14:05.860 than breaching the rights and freedoms of Canadians.

01:14:10.080 So it's pretty hard to understand.

01:14:13.400 As you were just saying, I saw the Rebel News team over in Davos,

01:14:16.780 and they were interviewing Dustin Trudeau and Christopher Freeland.

01:14:19.560 And actually, that's the most I've ever saw Justin Trudeau speak to Ezra LeVent in my lifetime, and even Christian Freeland for that matter.

01:14:28.300 But, you know, it's really concerning that they really had nothing to say.

01:14:33.040 I mean, there has to be justice here.

01:14:35.920 We need to have accountability because we can't move on, in my opinion, and heal and, you know, just heal, I guess, until we have some type of accountability and some kind of justice.

01:14:49.560 I think that where we're at in Canada, we have developed a culture where, you know, a different Justin. Justin Bieber had a song, Is It Too Late to Say Sorry? And there has been a sense in our country in the past where we're very polite people and, you know, even if someone doesn't bump into you, you say sorry before they, before you say them.

01:15:13.300 know if you're five minutes late apologize profusely and oh you know so

01:15:18.700 we we fuss about things that don't matter very much and then when really

01:15:24.160 big things happen we just ignore them and I don't know how that how that how

01:15:29.860 that has become trained in some people like you know if I just sort of hold my

01:15:35.140 breath and ignore it maybe it'll just go away you know but here we have this

01:15:38.800 federal court ruling uh court of appeals ruling that's so important and it's far more important

01:15:45.040 than bev oda from former steven harper's cabinet resigning and shamed because she spent sixteen

01:15:52.240 dollars on a glass of orange juice exactly yeah exactly it's uh yeah it's it's it's it's pretty

01:15:59.680 hard to believe um i just had a point and i completely forgot what i was going to say

01:16:03.280 So, I guess, does anybody else have any more questions for Ray?

01:16:08.280 We got a little wee one up there, you can probably hear, she's pretty cute.

01:16:15.280 Okay, well, I guess we can let you guys go, and we're going to start signing some books

01:16:22.280 here.

01:16:23.280 So, I want to thank all of you for tuning in the house for us tonight with just Tamara.

01:16:26.280 Ray is heading over to Chris Barber's tomorrow, actually, you guys are going to be doing it

01:16:31.280 Strip Valley I believe. So if you're in the Swift Park area or southern Saskatchewan area and you

01:16:36.160 would like to attend please get a hold of Chris Barber or you can email us at 18house.arrest

01:16:42.720 at gmail.com and I will get that sent over to him. So from myself, thank you for coming Ray.

01:16:50.320 I flew into Calgary yesterday and drove all the way out here today in his rental car so

01:16:55.280 I'm very happy to have you here. It's an honor to have you in my home and thanks for coming.

01:17:00.480 Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Tamera for hosting and to Ray for his dedication. Okay. It is.

House Arrest - January 23, 2026

Ep. 12 - UnJustified -Special Edition Livestream w⧸ Ray McGinnis

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