00:12:49.780unbelievable i give dr francis so much credit for keeping his cool through that whole thing
00:12:58.020and without further ado help us in welcoming our good friend dr francis christian to house arrest
00:13:03.060welcome thank you chris thank you tamara it's uh wonderful to see you all likewise one of the one
00:13:12.580of the fondest memories was meeting you in downtown ottawa and and part of the the doctors that
00:13:17.220actually showed up there to try and stand up against the government and dispute and to have
00:13:23.060a conversation and what did those government officials do ignored you just like they just
00:13:27.680did on that last call it was disgusting you know i am you were literally one of the first
00:13:36.320of course throughout that whole period i mean i was trying to find podcasts any type of show
00:13:42.980anyone that was speaking about the other side of what was going on and it was your it was byram
00:13:49.820bridal's case originally that led me to you and then i believe it was at the at the one of the
00:13:54.980saskatchewan high schools you guys did a press conference and i emailed trish woods after hearing
00:13:59.720what happened to you right out of the blue and i said trish i just watched your show on dr bridal
00:14:04.320you got to get a hold of dr francis christian right away you'll not believe what's happening
00:14:07.880out here and she replied back to me and said he's on on friday and i've been following your story
00:14:14.040ever since so thank you for everything that you've done everything that you and your family have
00:14:18.840sacrificed um all to protect our children and our youth and all all canadians thank you
00:14:27.240that's very kind of you tamara and chris and thanks again for having me on
00:14:31.640As I said to you when we were meeting just before the show, I want this to be mainly about you and not about me, because compared to what the Freedom Convoy and what you have accomplished for Canadians and the world, what I did was actually quite insignificant.
00:14:55.680so thank thank you for your kind words but it but but but the real heroes are
00:15:02.040are you respectfully disagree my friend you were speaking out long before those
00:15:10.320trucks rolled you did your part and you've still been standing your ground
00:15:14.560on that you haven't bowed to any of this tyrannical garbage has been going on in
00:15:19.260this country and I you're a true friend and an amazing human being your family
00:15:24.020amazing i've met them i think i've met everybody haven't i yes yes yeah and just to stand with you
00:15:31.860and i have to make sure you know that because i value your friendship and i value you we were in
00:15:35.940ottawa and i was uh i was pretty sick with you the you know what and i did an interview and in my
00:15:41.780hotel room the door knocked and dr christian was there and he said chris i just need to i'm going
00:15:46.020to give you a look over because i don't think you're feeling very good right now and and you
00:15:49.780tended to my medical needs and and uh followed through on a vitamin of a vitamin regimen i
00:15:54.660believe it was right and uh and within no time flat it was uh i was feeling better so i'll always
00:16:00.980remember that that was an amazing day and my wife of course having issues too you uh you right away
00:16:06.740just ran to her to see what you could do to help so we appreciate you and likewise yeah go ahead
00:16:13.700dr francis i was just going to say that you know um for a physician to help somebody in need and
00:16:23.540especially somebody dear and near to me uh like you both are is something i would uh expect myself
00:16:30.980to do i i i i'm i'm really grateful to god that i was able to be of help uh i um i i once again
00:16:40.340coming back to the freedom convoy um i i don't believe that most canadians still know or still
00:16:50.500realize what the freedom convoy has accomplished for canadians and for the world because at a at
00:16:57.780a very dark time for uh canadians and for humanity um the freedom convoy rolled into
00:17:07.300ottawa like a like a cavalry like a cavalry with um with this message of hope and this message that
00:17:17.860peaceful peaceful non-violent civil disobedience is much more powerful than all the all the tyranny
00:17:28.420that tyrants can can unleash and you know what i'm going to recount is well known to you
00:17:39.380but again i don't know how much canadians realize they owe to you because within a few days of your
00:17:48.740coming to ottawa major seismic political changes were already accomplished in ottawa
00:17:56.420the conservative government had changed its leader.
00:18:26.420but but but the the tyrant trudeau is gone that that that lady who was the uh prime minister
00:18:36.020of the gulag down under i.e uh new zealand i forget her name yeah anyway she's gone that bumbling
00:18:46.500Prime Minister of England, Boris Johnson, is gone. Within a few days of you guys reaching
00:18:57.440Ottawa, the Saskatchewan government lifted the mandates. So what changed between the
00:19:04.080day the mandates were in place, all the mandates, all the lockdowns, and then the next day the
00:19:10.400mandates were lifted? What changed? I mean, what was the science behind, you know, did
00:19:15.000virus go into hiding or no it was it was because of the freedom convoy and so uh as for me what i
00:19:24.040was doing in that press conference which was held um outside well outside the school in a public
00:19:31.640space actually right yes but but what i was asking for is very simple i was i was essentially asking
00:19:40.200for informed consent informed consent is essentially where the physician or the nurse
00:19:47.880or anybody who's administering a medical intervention has to explain to the patient
00:19:54.840or in this case children children's parents what the risks of the interventions are
00:20:03.720what the benefits of the interventions are and what the alternatives are and i made the point
00:20:11.880that this was not being explained to saskatchewan the people i made the point that uh that in
00:20:20.920children uh covid is less dangerous than the annual flu uh that's what the statistics show
00:20:29.960No. COVID, a child is more likely to die of drowning or a car accident than of COVID.
00:20:38.200A child was 1,000 times less at risk of COVID than somebody who was elderly.
00:20:46.320And so there was no emergency in children.
00:20:50.280Data from Spain had already shown that actually teachers were getting less COVID than the rest of the population.
00:20:58.520So, there was no question of the children infecting other people. So, there was really no case for vaccinating a child. And not only that, there were already emerging reports, even at that time, of myocarditis in children.
00:21:16.000Unfortunately, there are thousands of children with myocarditis now.
00:21:25.380And myocarditis has become one of the things that is associated with the injection, the COVID injection.
00:21:35.500And so, my point was essentially that, look, we know that this is not a threat to children. We know that it is causing problems. We know that there are alternatives available.
00:21:53.220Well, even at that time, there were alternatives available.
00:21:59.320And to qualify for emergency use authorization, as it was in Canada, there must be an emergency.
00:22:06.160And there was no emergency in children.
00:28:42.420I stress that, peaceful, non-violent, and yours was peaceful and non-violent, it has to inconvenience
00:28:50.420and embarrass the authorities um you know um again if people march down um you know ottawa
00:29:00.020once in six months even if there's 100 000 people we know that they can easily be ignored
00:29:05.940and the press the the the arm of tyranny is the press and the press can also ignore it
00:29:13.700so it has to embarrass and inconvenience the government it did that uh you know the
00:29:20.500the the prime minister at that time the heavily vaccinated prime minister got coveted again
00:29:25.540and went into hiding uh yeah i don't know what really happened whether he got covered or
00:29:30.900i don't know what happened but uh he went into hiding uh the the the embarrassment
00:29:36.580was not just national uh it to the to the elites to the to the to the to the global elites it was
00:29:44.340also international it started being reported in england and in australia and germany and india
00:29:49.780and china and so on and so um so the second condition for successful civil disobedience
00:29:56.180was satisfied uh it should embarrass and inconvenience the tyranny and the third
00:30:02.580probably the most important was that there should be a readiness to sacrifice and Tamara you are the
00:30:09.540you're the uh Canadian Gandhi because you by your sacrifice and you know every time you went back
00:30:18.260into prison the movement for freedom became stronger and and so uh Mahatma Gandhi spent um
00:30:26.820several years in prison. Martin Luther King Jr. spent several years in prison. And, you know, that made the movement stronger. Of course, now behind me is the wall fresco of the martyrs of Lyon, France.
00:30:50.120in the year 177 the roman emperor marcus aurelius subjected them to horrific torture
00:31:00.380thrown before beasts tortured to almost their life going out and then brought back to their
00:31:06.920cells and then and tortured again and all they said when questioned and asked to give away
00:31:13.820information about their christian friends all they would say is i am a christian now 48 of them
00:31:21.880now they're all saints including saint bland blandina and so on and that's the fresco that
00:31:29.340shows part of uh the the part of the the group of the holy martyrs of of leon but the the the
00:31:38.080reason i put that up behind me is you know in leon today at the site where all these torches
00:31:46.000took place there is a cathedral a massive cathedral so the glory that was greece and
00:31:54.480the grandeur that was rome had to yield to the triumph of the cross and of course the greatest
00:32:00.960triumph uh was uh our lord jesus himself who turned the worst thing that could possibly happen
00:32:08.400to him that is the cross into the best thing for mankind which is the resurrection so uh sacrifice
00:32:17.440is is is always in in in in this context associated with eternal success and
00:32:26.960these values that you fought for are eternal values freedom truth uh and and freedom of expression
00:32:34.880which is a a function of uh of freedom itself so um i think what you've accomplished will be
00:32:43.280written in the annals of human history for a long time well already there's a massive wikipedia very
00:32:51.360biased entry about this whole thing but yes but you know but that's all changing it you know yeah
00:32:57.920these these are all these are all temporary things but the fight for freedom is eternal
00:33:03.840agreed and you know you were there with us in ottawa at the beginning too and i was literally
00:33:09.040just talking about this on an interview i did today like you know it didn't matter um everyone
00:33:14.800in the convoy whether they were a believer or weren't a believer that i spoke to understood
00:33:20.000or felt that there was something that was guiding us and protecting us and there absolutely was
00:33:24.560um you know chris led that convoy across the country without a single accident or an injury
00:33:30.560in the middle of january across northern lake superior i mean you know there were so many
00:33:38.020miracles that happened that whole time and and you know like you said even when i got arrested
00:33:42.740i was like okay god you're not done with me yet like you have you have used us to expose so much
00:33:47.780and show Canadians and the world what they really needed to see
00:48:54.300You know, and who would have thought that it would start in Canada?
00:48:59.460So this wonderful and beautiful movement for freedom was God's way of saying that, you know what, I can do unexpected things in a very powerful way.
00:49:14.500do you like how i went when the when the mandates were being dropped or lifted do you like how they
00:49:21.160gave us a date that we could look forward to having our friends back because the virus was
00:49:26.420the virus was going to be here up until you know march 24th but after that it's going to go away
00:49:32.240and whatever happened to covid it's it's you know a story about you know you talking about the the
00:49:36.920younger people in the in the vaccine jonathan my son was 18 years old when convoy happened and
00:49:41.860Jonathan was in the truck with I and Tamara on our way to Ottawa.
00:50:07.740yeah you know uh the in i believe it was november of 2021 there was a big study from germany 80
00:50:16.220million people not a single child had died of covet not a single child 80 million people
00:50:24.700yeah and and this this was repeated across the world and and you know the fact is by the time
00:50:32.060that the the vaccine was recommended for children they already knew two things they already knew that
00:50:39.580it is of absolutely no relevance to children who are of uh you know statistically zero risk of
00:50:48.220dying from covet statistically and they knew that there was already reports starting in israel and
00:50:56.700other places of myocarditis in in children so for a disease that does supposedly was dangerous but
00:51:08.140was actually about 1000 times less dangerous than in uh elderly people didn't kill a single child
00:51:16.860in among 80 million people in germany um in for that um children got myocarditis
00:51:24.940by the injection how is that uh so i do think there should be accountability uh i i don't you
00:51:33.420know i don't i don't hate the people who did this i uh in many ways i pity them uh and i i'm sorry
00:51:42.780for them uh i i i but i do want for the sake of science for the sake of those who have given their
00:51:50.860lives in the pursuit of science and truth which i think most scientists and physicians like myself
00:51:56.860have done i do think it should be a proper accountability exercise not not to you know
00:52:05.660not to sort of point fingers and and and and sort of come down with all kinds of draconian
00:52:12.300punishments and so on but so that the truth comes out and then the consequences for that
00:52:18.540uh you know let the courts decide it i mean we don't want vigilante justice i don't i don't i
00:52:27.020don't hate these people at all i i i think they uh they did some some terrible things um for which
00:52:36.140there should be accountability i mean terrible things in the sense of of opposing science
00:52:41.580opposing truth locking people down when there was no evidence for lockdowns asking people not to go
00:52:46.940out not to go out and stay in their houses and things like that on what did they base that
00:52:54.460evidence uh on the on that that on what evidence did they base that that draconian policy things
00:53:01.020like that need to be properly investigated what about the people that were involved in phone call
00:53:06.460at the beginning of the of our show here where they were talking down to you like you were you
00:53:10.540know some unauthoritarian kid i had read the history very very you know actually it started
00:53:23.180when i was a teenager i was i was exposed to a book um i read the book tortured for christ by
00:53:29.580richard wirmbrand and that started me on a journey of how communism had kept so many people under
00:53:37.580tyranny for so long and and so some of these show trials you know some of these show trials in in
00:53:45.820in communist russia uh was uh essentially based on somebody um saying that oh you was you were
00:53:58.620so good but now you've become so bad and i think you may need some psychiatric help and so we'll
00:54:04.540send you to the you know to a hospital or something or to the gulag so yeah so this this was
00:54:13.420uh you know it i i was disappointed i was um i was not shocked because i i i knew that the pattern
00:54:22.380of tyranny um and but i was i was disturbed of course by by the because the academy was not
00:54:30.540becoming a was not a place where truth is pursued it was a place where tyranny
00:54:36.900was exercised so what are your thoughts on like as Canadian citizens have they
00:54:45.420been conditioned over the last number of years to follow that narrative and not
00:54:49.680question authority is that is that where we are in this country right now yeah I
00:54:54.720I think most Canadians, and I think one of the heartening things I see is that a lot of Canadians are, you know, they may not be openly admitting that they were wrong during COVID, but privately and even in their own families, they admit that the government handling of COVID was a debacle, was atrocious.
00:55:24.160I'm sure those conversations are already going on. To address your question as to whether Canadians are conditioned in a way that they cannot be changed. Anybody can change. I do believe that everybody can change. But the conditioning as you talk about the state of the nation is a very real thing.
00:55:49.380but it started not with covid i think it started uh much earlier than that much much earlier with
00:55:56.740the taking over of our universities and so on um the uh your re your listeners and viewers uh
00:56:07.060i i don't think i'm gonna go into the frankfurt school and people like that who you know who
00:56:14.180who influenced universities and took over the universe by the by by the 1980s the takeover
00:56:20.180the university was complete and and you know i've been teaching medical students and training
00:56:26.020surgeons uh for more than 30 years and back in 2000 i noticed there were several changes
00:56:35.060one of the changes that i saw was that a lot of things were going by guidelines okay so
00:56:45.060you know if i would be teaching medical students and taking a clinic for them and i would ask them
00:56:50.260a question uh they would say you know the guidelines state um and then if i asked them
00:56:56.500so can you tell me why the guidelines state what they state and they would draw a blank most of
00:57:02.820the time because uh guidelines so thinking beyond the guidelines was not they were not conditioned
00:57:10.180to do that and i think that's that's been the case uh with for example our teachers um the
00:57:17.940the the woke ideas that are being propagated by teachers uh are the reason our schools are in such
00:57:24.900a mess but those ideas didn't start with the covet pandemic they started uh you know in the 1960s
00:57:32.500with and even before that with the frankfurt school and uh and and and and and the dissemination of
00:57:38.820these dystopian ideas and post-modernism and so on and by the 1980s the the universities had been
00:57:45.140taken over so the teachers coming out of our universities are called coming out of those
00:57:49.460coming out with those woke ideas and they take those ideas to the schools they all with almost
00:57:55.300missionary zeal and and and they're therefore conditioning the word you used uh a gen several
00:58:03.940generations of uh of of canadian young people who basically accept authority uh because those are
00:58:12.580the guidelines right so that's right even even uh even during covid i think a lot of physicians
00:58:20.660thought in terms of guidelines it's of actually investigating the science behind the guidelines
00:58:26.500which is what science is all about so I mean everyone that knows you or knows of you knows
00:58:35.000that you were not a tinfoil hat wearing man I mean when you look at examples like what you just said
00:58:41.760the infiltration of the education system and you look at the pandemic and then you look at a lot
00:58:46.200of things that are happening right now the the purchasing basically of our mean girl media
00:58:51.540mainstream media i mean what's the end game what is the end game to all of this from your
00:58:58.480highly educated and professional perspective you know tamara the the end game for you me
00:59:05.400chris the end game for us is victory because yeah so yes absolutely i i think uh there is no doubt
00:59:17.500that because we have eternal life in christ nothing can can nothing can scare us nothing can
00:59:26.480nothing nothing can actually overcome us because christ has overcome death itself for us
00:59:33.600i i think the end game with regard to things like wokeism things like
00:59:43.840uh you know the the demonic transgender agenda for example uh things like that um
00:59:52.640the the the the fact that the media is an arm of government instead of holding the government to
01:00:01.240account it's actually become an arm of government yeah the the the end game uh i i i have to say it
01:00:10.040and i it doesn't give me any um any pleasure saying it but i think western civilization is
01:00:19.560actually on the way down uh and and in game maybe a period of great suffering uh from which will
01:00:28.920emerge uh truth from which will emerge uh because as of now as long as the average canadian can
01:00:39.000watch his favorite tv programs and go on his annual uh hop to mexico or something uh they're
01:00:45.800not really bothered about freedom or what their children learn at school the walk things that is
01:00:53.480it it doesn't really get into their consciousness but unfortunately the the you know with all that's
01:01:00.920happening in the world um i think the end game uh will be uh or might be anyway a period of great
01:01:09.240suffering it may not happen now it may not happen in the next five or even ten years but
01:01:15.400that's the trajectory um for a while uh the west was ascendant uh the west um
01:01:23.480um you know led the world in in in science in technology but all but more importantly in things
01:01:31.080like uh what is freedom what is uh of conscience and things like that uh now we are reverting to
01:01:41.080what i would call the pagan past so um you know um before uh christ and his kingdom came to western
01:01:51.240europe uh the the druids in england were sacrificing children uh they were burning
01:01:57.960children to the to the gods uh they were it was it was a savage uncultured uncultured world
01:02:04.920and i think in many ways we are reverting we haven't gotten to that stage yet um some people
01:02:13.320might disagree but but certainly we're going backwards and and eventually there might be a
01:02:21.960cataclysmic event that triggers great suffering and that is the only thing i think that'll wake
01:02:28.440up people yeah one was absolutely right i mean every great sorry chris i just um every great
01:02:36.200civilization um rises and falls every every single one so you're absolutely go ahead chris sorry about
01:02:42.440that i was just going to say some of the some of the reality shows that i see on tv here
01:02:46.840it's the social destruction of society right now um they're literally putting people in positions
01:02:52.120that it's sad very sad and that's what people look forward to watching it's engineered destruction
01:02:59.960and it's planned destruction yeah um i mean the the billionaires um some people say we shouldn't
01:03:09.320call them the elite we we should call them the predators because they like being called elite
01:03:14.360uh so so so the predators um say the ai guys okay do they need the money they're the richest
01:03:22.600people in the world but they need the power they need the power and and if they can make everybody
01:03:29.080think in in ways that google makes people think or grok or whatever the ai thing that is the latest
01:03:37.800fashion if because because everything every everybody now looks to ai for information
01:03:45.080and and undoubtedly that that's something they want to control yeah that's so true
01:03:53.560i try not to use it i mean i don't use it that often every time i ask somebody questioning how
01:03:58.600do you do this or how do you do that they're like well have you tried ai have you run it through ai
01:04:54.600I wrote a substack last week about embracing uncertainty because without uncertainty, life becomes very boring.
01:05:05.920If everything is programmed and certain, life becomes boring.
01:05:10.320Now, I mean, I made the example in that essay of a guy now, you know, planning to propose to his girlfriend and planning to marry this girl and he wants to get her consent.
01:05:26.460So that starts with looking at all the types of diamonds on the Internet, all the types of rings on the Internet, and then, you know, researching discussion boards on what to say and how to say it.
01:05:38.620And which combination of genuflection, you know, speech and actions will actually make us. So by the time that time comes, there is so much of research on the internet messaging his friends, messaging back from the friends that the joy is arguably taken out of the moment.
01:06:03.620okay I mean at least some of the short whereas you know when when you and I
01:06:09.800were growing up there was no you know researching such important things on the
01:06:16.520internet we just I mean I I proposed to my wife not knowing if she would say yes
01:06:23.000i thought she would i thought she would but but but the fact is um you know a lot of things there's
01:06:32.760there's an attempt to crowd out uncertainty from life and i'm not i'm not making an argument to
01:06:40.360going back to the days of the days of horse and buggy um but but i remember the time when like
01:06:46.840like you said chris we used to navigate by maps uh on our laps and and and there was a certain
01:06:54.360there was a you know there was there was alternate uh uh disappointment elation ecstasy uh and um
01:07:02.840you know desperate uh longing for the our destination but when the desk you know even
01:07:11.320if we got into a wrong road sometimes that was that that was quite nice too because it would
01:07:17.480take us to unexpected places and then when we get to the destination it would give us
01:07:25.480unspeakable joy yes very true my wife i don't know if i would know how to cook a turkey now without
01:07:31.880google my wife was out piloting for an oversized load yesterday and she was in southwest saskatchewan
01:07:39.240And there's many highways that run around down there.
01:07:42.020But she left the place and listened to Google Maps.
01:07:44.480And Google Maps ran her up a back road along the back west side of Cypress Hills Park.
01:07:50.300Tamara, have you ever been up to this?
01:07:52.380She said it was the absolute most beautiful drive she's ever had.
01:07:57.420And I said, you just listened to the thing on the dash,
01:08:01.480and it took you for an amazing drive when, you know,
01:08:04.080you could have picked the prairie trail that she was supposed to be on.
01:08:07.860but it's just amazing how Google figured out that she needed scenic
01:08:11.700powerful companies and individuals that control the digital grid and the Trump
01:08:18.620administration Trump himself signed off on 6g in December 2025 and that
01:08:26.100includes implantable chips and I actually I think that 6g implantable
01:08:33.680chips will become more and more accepted by the people and then uh of course the government will
01:08:40.240know exactly where you are what you're doing and uh it's it's not a it's not a happy thought i mean
01:08:47.120it's hard to escape the conclusion that you know this is part of a globalist enterprise because
01:08:55.440they do anyways even just with your phones i mean if you've got a phone they know where you are
01:09:00.480basically i mean they can do they can turn that on that's why i laugh you know well i don't laugh
01:09:05.280because it's terrible but you know they just are trying to shove this legislation through where
01:09:09.040they can open your mail they're already opening your mail everyone they're already listening to
01:09:14.080your phones they're already opening your mail all the stuff that they're trying to pass is to
01:09:19.040protect their own butts because they're already doing it trust me i know you know the the
01:09:25.840consolation we have is tyrannies are very few tyrannies are competent uh most tyrannies are
01:09:32.640incompetent including the covid tyranny thank god uh and and so the trudeau liberal government
01:09:40.160certainly proved that yeah especially during the convoy especially during the convoy like you said
01:09:45.360at the beginning you know everything that they did every decision they made was the wrong one
01:09:51.360the absolute right from him getting coming into contact with somebody who had covet even though
01:09:57.040he'd been thrice vaccinated at that point to being skirted out of ottawa for his own safety
01:10:02.640skirted out of ottawa because middle-class working canadians are coming to ask you
01:10:08.560to please sir could we have some freedom back exactly and the deer in the headlights look when
01:10:15.280he when he uh hastily repealed the emergency when he knew the senate was not going to back him oh
01:10:26.320i knew his days were numbered uh he looks really scared yeah but you know the magnitude of what he
01:10:33.760did sort of dawned on him at that point he's dating an astronaut now so i think uh his