House Arrest

00:00:00.000 The devil isn't attacking you because you are weak.

00:00:27.100 He is attacking you because you are a threat, because there is something powerful inside you.

00:00:35.840 Thieves don't break into empty houses.

00:00:38.980 The enemy couldn't take you out, so he's trying to wear you down.

00:00:44.360 But don't you dare give in, because the tide is about to turn in your favor.

00:00:49.120 God sees your struggles.

00:00:51.060 He knows your heart.

00:00:52.820 He knows you're tired, but he is not done with you yet.

00:00:56.240 put him first trust him my daughter my daughter makes a candle my beautiful

00:01:06.020 lovely daughter Sierra in our big red clip of the week how are you Chris we're

00:01:12.180 doing good how was your week tomorrow good it was really good it's been busy

00:01:17.060 just crazy busy I can't even and you you aren't you there oh we had a glitching

00:01:28.580 up yeah you were just glitching yeah I've been home for a week I parked the

00:01:33.780 truck I believe it was last Saturday Friday Saturday something like that when

00:01:37.460 I got home and I've had so much stuff to try and get caught up around here it's

00:01:41.420 been a lot of maintenance and a lot of cleaning and I'm trying to get my hanging

00:01:44.540 equipment ready right now so i can go cut uh hay for and bale for my horses for the winter it's

00:01:49.240 it's my hay crop is unbelievable right now but everything's breaking i run old equipment and

00:01:55.060 it's all yeah it's been a struggle everything i walk to is like needs work and but it is what it

00:02:01.360 is welcome to farm life i hear you we actually thought chris was going to be late for for the

00:02:10.100 show or potentially because he was going to go help his neighbor bury his horse which is one

00:02:14.480 of the most farmy neighborly saskatchewan things you can do that appointment was at five so i said

00:02:21.880 uh let me know what's done and and it's in the village so it's part of our you know i don't want

00:02:26.860 it doesn't have to be part of the community service i've reached my hours on my community

00:02:29.780 service now so i'm continuing to work continuing to work for the village right now and just put in

00:02:35.280 community service regardless of the hours it doesn't need to be but i'm still doing it so

00:02:41.040 we have lots of projects to keep busy with and i'm trying to put back into the community so

00:02:46.160 yeah excellent excellent so yeah well my week was great go ahead yeah you were busy on canada

00:02:52.960 today i heard yeah we went to mirror alberta uh we were supposed to play a couple sets there we

00:02:58.960 only ended up playing one because we got totally rained out but uh but despite the weather um i

00:03:03.840 missed scott today to see how many people he thought were there and there's over 3 000 people

00:03:09.200 that showed up for well at the whistle stop they don't call it canada day they call it albertans

00:03:14.000 day and so it was just a sea of blue flags but you know it was really great they had great speakers

00:03:20.000 it was obviously very well attended um the music was a lot of fun lots of people that came up to me

00:03:26.320 and said they watch our show regularly and of course you know they're just happy that just a

00:03:30.960 lot of support there's a lot of support out there still cheers when i spoke and i talked about how

00:03:36.080 they just stopped going after trying to seize your truck um so that there was a big round of applause 0.74

00:03:42.320 and cheers for that so which was a win i mean they made themselves look foolish i don't think

00:03:47.120 they had any alternative but to drop that case yeah that's there's just an element of bitterness

00:03:52.320 inside me that they actually had the audacity to pull that stunt off but um yeah we got a little

00:03:57.840 bit of news about court stuff this week we found out that that our hearings for our appeals i

00:04:03.120 i believe it was december has to be in for the the current prosecutor and then uh our our lawyers

00:04:08.560 have to have their written submissions in by was it february of 2027 possibly a hearing spring of

00:04:15.520 2027 and a decision sometime maybe in the fall but and ottawa's went they've went so good they've

00:04:23.120 they brought this huge high gun attorney in you should see her list of accolades drug

00:04:30.400 Drug cases, murder cases, pedophiles, gang units. 1.00

00:04:35.360 This is what she focuses on, except for Kristen Turner.

00:04:39.240 Which tracks, like I said in a post I made the other day, 0.99

00:04:42.080 because they did put homicide detectives on our mischief case.

00:04:46.420 So here's the information that we received about the appeal.

00:04:49.600 The Crown is appealing against the acquittal and sentence in relation to both Mr. Barber and Ms. Leach.

00:04:55.940 Mr. Barber is appealing against conviction and sentence and Ms. Leach against conviction.

00:05:01.460 The appeals are grouped. Four transcripts are required and they need to be provided by the end

00:05:06.560 of this month. The Crown will file a joint appeal book. Ms. Magus and Mr. Greenspawn will file their

00:05:10.960 factums by the end of September. The Crown will file its factum by December 18th. If the justice

00:05:18.340 system moved any slower, it'd be going backwards. The factum will, I think it is going backwards.

00:05:23.440 the fact it will respond to leech and barber appeals and include the crown's appeal and

00:05:28.020 sentence appeal it may be up to 45 pages in length because of course it will

00:05:32.340 uh what they're waiting on right basically um is what we get to in the next portion which is

00:05:39.280 the decision in pat king's recent um court appearance on those appeals the decision of

00:05:45.240 this court in r versus king is relevant to the acquittal on the intimidation offense the crown

00:05:49.640 is appealing. This appeal was argued May 11th and currently under reserve. It is expected the

00:05:56.020 decision may be released in time for the Crown to consider it prior to filing its factum.

00:06:01.500 The expectation is an appeal hearing in the spring of 2027. So almost still a year away.

00:06:10.680 Yeah, and we don't even have to have our factums until the end of February. So if the decision in

00:06:16.180 king is released earlier than expected the above schedule can be revisited so basically uh they

00:06:23.560 still want to throw us in jail um they still want um sorry i'm just going to get rid of this

00:06:29.700 probably they still want those intimidation charges to stick um because of course they're

00:06:36.620 they're terrible you definitely wouldn't want those on your on your criminal record which is

00:06:40.340 exactly why the judge threw them out uh justice judge perkins mcveigh says you know there was no

00:06:45.600 violence in these cases there was like people felt that you know threats of violence or

00:06:50.480 microaggressions um but there was no actual evidence of any violence occurring and she's

00:06:55.840 and she said that's sort of a correlation to independent or independence um uh intimidation

00:07:02.880 charges and so that she acquitted us on those and so so they're trying to have those acquittals

00:07:07.840 overturned um to get those on our records and also to send us to jail and the crazy thing chris

00:07:15.200 is that this is all gonna start happening

00:07:17.820 after we've already served our sentences.

00:07:20.580 Yep, yep.

00:07:22.700 Yeah, October, our life gets a little easier

00:07:24.800 when I guess when it comes into the 24-hour curfew

00:07:27.060 and then we're gonna do the evening curfew.

00:07:30.140 So we've been living it for the last four years, right?

00:07:34.840 I'll never, it's been a lot in the last four years,

00:07:37.600 hasn't it?

00:07:38.440 Like when you stop and think about it,

00:07:40.100 it's been quite a bit, so.

00:07:42.720 It has been, honestly,

00:07:44.280 But I don't look at it like that.

00:07:46.360 It's like that saying about, you know, how do you eat an elephant one chunk at a time?

00:07:50.800 You know, I just tend to.

00:07:52.020 And I think you and I and many others have just had to do that from day one is just even in Ottawa.

00:07:56.720 You just have to get up and get through the day and, you know, live your life and be the best person that you can be despite anything that's going on around you.

00:08:04.080 And then in our case, this has just become our life, which is really sad, but it has become our life.

00:08:10.160 But but look at all the great people that we get to meet.

00:08:13.680 uh the friends and the family that we've made you know like our whole group you were just telling me

00:08:18.720 that uh melissa the the keys are up in fort st john to see our good friends the hobbs up there

00:08:24.720 and um burn and his wife heidi and yet they were just out to see danny bulford and and piper

00:08:31.200 obviously so yeah so i think we're pretty lucky and i think we're pretty blessed overall

00:08:37.120 our group of our community is large and it is you know amazing like what you witnessed yesterday at

00:08:42.480 at the whistle stop having all the people there knowing that you're in a good good place with all

00:08:46.820 that support around you i mean that's it's basically every time i stop at a truck stops or

00:08:51.360 a subway or something like that you know every somebody just stops by just to say hi and and

00:08:56.900 shake a hand or tell a story and yeah that's that's that's our group that's our people

00:09:01.780 but not even when you're stopped i mean you try calling chris barber on the phone and having a

00:09:07.180 conversation with him when he's driving and every few minutes he's got a reply to somebody on the

00:09:11.920 cb radio because people like catch him on the highway you know are constantly hey big red hey

00:09:17.320 how's it going great to see you or whatever you know so it's really cute there there's definitely

00:09:21.780 a ton of support out there yep no it's it's actually amazing i uh yeah i couldn't be more

00:09:26.900 humbled by it and i think you know like we've both grown a lot in the last four years i could tell

00:09:31.120 you i've probably matured a little bit sometimes sometimes i see the negative comments and i'm

00:09:35.480 like I'm gonna mess that guy's day up or that ladies you know I think we've

00:09:40.640 yeah definitely humbled in the last number of years and recognize the fact

00:09:45.320 that wow this is just it is it's our life now I guess so we appreciate it but

00:09:52.880 that said I mean I gotta say you know I've had I've had to send some work

00:09:57.440 exemption requests in my regular CSO or peel whatever gonna call her is away so

00:10:02.840 had a temp and then i had a temp for the temp so i was a little bit worried but you know they've

00:10:08.360 been really great and i just got to say to the medicine community corrections organization they

00:10:12.600 are they've been really good they've been really good to deal with um for me for the most part i

00:10:17.480 did have that one incident and you know sometimes i sort of mock the situation and make fun of them

00:10:23.000 but i have to say um there is a glaring difference between how things run in alberta than there is

00:10:30.920 in ontario and even uh with our guests tonight i have to say you know i was i was so fortunate to

00:10:37.640 go to calgary a couple weeks ago um to sit with carrie during her hearings for her proposed class

00:10:43.160 action and the difference even in the courtroom you know like if we had even if we got four hours

00:10:50.520 of court in on average um per day during the entire process we were there we would have been

00:10:56.520 lucky you know the zoom wouldn't work or there was fruit flies or the clocks needed to be set or

00:11:03.240 you know it was constant uh we came in there was one little hiccup on the first day where

00:11:08.760 they were having problems with the webex audio they moved they had us in a different courtroom

00:11:13.320 in 15 minutes the justice came in and apologized profusely and break started and ended on time

00:11:20.440 lunch started and ended on time it was the most efficiently run courtroom i've ever been in

00:11:25.480 but then i've only really been in ottawa so you know i i it's sort of uh i understand the reaction

00:11:31.480 that we got from some of the lawyers when they first got out to ottawa now and they had to go

00:11:35.080 to court they were just like what is this twilight zone it is we would start our mornings in ottawa

00:11:41.480 almost every day what an hour sometimes an hour and a half late and then work for what 15 minutes

00:11:47.160 20 minutes and then take a break and then maybe get an hour in and then lunch for an hour and a

00:11:52.120 a half it was honestly the most it's pretty sad but i don't work that way so well i get to go do

00:11:58.720 it again i get to go do it again on july 22nd um we finally got a date for my variation order to go

00:12:05.120 before judge perkins mcveigh in ottawa so i think we'll fly out and probably attend in person we'll

00:12:12.500 see i always just think it's better if you can be there in person to be there in person and so

00:12:16.520 And the variation for, that's for leaving the country, right?

00:12:20.940 Yeah, for work.

00:12:21.780 So that I, we're asking her honor's permission or to change my conditions so that I could please work outside of Canada once in a while.

00:12:31.600 So, I mean, we'll see how it goes.

00:12:33.880 You have been.

00:12:34.840 I've touched a huge nerve with a few other people that we stood with in Ottawa just for the simple fact that I can cross the border.

00:12:40.700 And I don't know.

00:12:41.460 my criminal record is two charges mischief and disobeying a court order some of the people

00:12:47.720 criticizing me for notably the size of the length of their arm criminal record so i think um i mean

00:12:55.000 if i get if i find a bad border guard or something like that that doesn't like me and i and i hit

00:12:59.280 that road and i am barred entry then i'm prepared for that i i'm totally prepared i would love to

00:13:04.400 see you know maybe pull annoyed her the white house's uh heartstrings and see if we can't get

00:13:10.080 an exemption or a pardon wouldn't that be something yeah that would be something yeah

00:13:17.280 yeah and i'm heading to ottawa tomorrow too so i'm heading to ottawa for work uh so i guess

00:13:22.240 yeah i get to go back to ottawa a couple times this month already it's just kind of crazy well

00:13:27.280 we've got a couple right now we don't have them for very long tonight so we will

00:13:31.600 yes we'll bring them in bring them on in all right yes welcome carrie and eva how are you

00:13:39.200 ladies welcome to house arrest carrie your mic is off right now hello ladies there we go hello how 0.99

00:13:48.960 are you good we haven't seen you two before what the daylights huh how many times do we

00:13:57.520 I have to be on the show before I get a ride in big red.

00:14:03.320 All you have to do is ask.

00:14:05.020 All you got to do is ask.

00:14:06.900 Yeah,

00:14:07.340 absolutely. 0.97

00:14:08.560 We'll have to start our five timers club,

00:14:10.700 like SNL maybe. 1.00

00:14:11.840 And all the five timers get a ride in big red.

00:14:16.760 I,

00:14:17.240 I got a couple of,

00:14:18.440 I know your direction.

00:14:19.180 Cause you're around Lethbridge,

00:14:20.400 aren't you?

00:14:21.260 Yeah.

00:14:22.560 Yeah.

00:14:22.960 Well,

00:14:23.360 yeah,

00:14:24.400 we'll make something happen.

00:14:26.500 Okay. 1.00

00:14:27.520 not to put you on the spot well melissa mckee was the latest one they got a ride in bigger head and 0.99

00:14:35.140 i'll tell you the smile on that lady's face is probably still gleaming she was so pumped

00:14:39.900 yeah no kidding i think we're having audio issues or something i don't know what's going on here

00:14:46.900 have you are we freezing up have you guys seen us freezing up some people are just saying in the

00:14:50.520 comments oh let's shoot sound but i haven't uh i don't i think we're good okay all right it could

00:14:56.600 just be on there and then sorry um oh wait on oh yep tasha says it's fine thank you tasha

00:15:04.000 um okay well you guys uh i was so happy to be up in calgary with you a couple weeks ago

00:15:11.780 and um you know a couple weeks have passed now so i just wanted to get you on to give everybody

00:15:17.320 an update um carrie how you felt about how the hearings went um eva you know what what you see

00:15:23.460 with coming down the pipe next so um it was four long days um the one thing i will say about the

00:15:29.700 alberta courthouse is at least in ottawa the pews are cushioned that was that was a tough

00:15:35.940 set for a few days but um but yeah very long days but like i said you know one of the like

00:15:41.060 i was saying before you guys came on i was really impressed with the efficiency of how

00:15:45.380 justice stilts ran that courtroom yeah yeah yeah i felt like they got through a lot of information

00:15:53.220 like your brain hurt when you left because you're trying to there was so much that would go on yeah

00:15:59.780 they really packed a lot in and this is for the certification hearing for the lawsuit that you

00:16:05.860 have filed against government agencies uh and who else is on that that that lawsuit carry

00:16:12.740 just the government the federal government and the provincial government

00:16:16.660 um got the certification motion um i've got to remember this now um i just went completely blank

00:16:29.220 i'm testing your legal knowledge now yes thank you now i have to take words again

00:16:36.660 um she's alleging obviously carrie is vaccine injured and she's got her lawsuit against the

00:16:42.100 government of Alberta and the government of Canada for negligence, misfeasance in public office,

00:16:50.340 conspiracy to commit assault and battery I believe was one of them. What was the other two? There's

00:16:55.540 five altogether. Misrepresentation, negligence, misrepresentation and breach of fiduciary duty.

00:17:02.900 Those are the five. Yes, yes, thank you. So this hearing was basically to try and get this

00:17:08.740 certified as a class action so this isn't doesn't really have anything to do with um the act well 0.98

00:17:14.260 does have to do with the actions of the government but the justice is going to decide if carrie can 0.98

00:17:18.180 proceed with a class action lawsuit or if herself and other plaintiffs would have to proceed with

00:17:24.500 individual claims right eva is that i got that right exactly and so the reason it is important

00:17:30.580 what the government was doing is because you have uh in order for it to be certified as a class

00:17:35.780 there has to be common issues common facts instead of a hundred different claims being made before

00:17:43.060 the court for the same thing a hundred different times so that's why that's what the point was of

00:17:49.060 those four days is to show that this makes sense uh from the uh perspective of economics uh judicial

00:17:57.620 economy that everybody be heard with the same issues at the same time for the same claims

00:18:03.940 and so she's going to be going over all of the information we provided and then determining

00:18:09.940 which of the causes of action make sense going forward if they make sense going forward at all

00:18:15.940 of course both the federal government and the provincial government said nothing to see here

00:18:21.540 no cause of actions would proceed nothing is common here the damages aren't common the issues

00:18:28.580 aren't common so they tried to paint the picture that uh nothing to see we did our best two thumbs

00:18:35.860 up yeah did they use the term let's let's just move on did they use the term no duty of care

00:18:41.940 is that what the one of the terms they used yeah they had no responsibility to people who

00:18:49.380 to explain that one a little bit because that has to do with negligence for negligence you have to

00:18:54.500 establish a duty of care and how the government gets away a lot uh in saying there's no private

00:19:01.220 duty of care is that they have a public duty to the people in general and unless in the law it

00:19:08.100 says uh the minister of health shall protect the health of people or something like that then

00:19:14.420 there's no private shall um protect the health of vaccine injured for example if that's not in

00:19:22.180 the law there's no private duty of care to vaccine injured it's a public duty to all of the um

00:19:29.300 canadians or albertans that they're speaking to but that only has to do with negligence so i want

00:19:34.740 to be really clear on that it has it doesn't apply to misfeasance in public office which i think we

00:19:40.500 painted a very strong picture on that doesn't apply to breach of fiduciary duty and of course

00:19:46.820 doesn't apply to conspiracy to commit assault and battery and on that one we were really emphasizing

00:19:54.900 and arguing that because of the misrepresentations that were made or purposeful decisions were made

00:20:04.420 about what was going to be said when and what was suppressed or not made very well known

00:20:12.500 people weren't able to make informed decisions so if there's no informed consent was it an

00:20:19.380 assault and battery and nobody's approached these vaccines in that way so a couple of different

00:20:25.700 kindness causes of actions that we haven't heard from anybody else thus far so eva um now because

00:20:34.660 there's five or six i think five allegations made in in carrie's claim so could the justice still

00:20:41.460 find that she could pursue class action on just one of the allegations or two of the allegations

00:20:47.700 or does she have to knock them all out it's an all or nothing a hundred percent it could be 0.99

00:20:53.460 uh she could see that there's value in moving forward in the misbeasons in public office

00:20:58.820 and then we she would determine what issues but also one thing i'm sure you both remember and

00:21:04.500 i'll just uh tell chris is that this is a very procedural basis it wasn't based on evidence and

00:21:11.300 facts so the whole point with a class action especially one as complicated as this is not

00:21:15.860 meant to be the be-all and end-all of the entire case so there was a lot of discussion especially

00:21:22.180 about the class definition uh you heard that one for out like there were hours of discussion on

00:21:28.020 whether or not the class definition is correct and what the government was trying to suggest is

00:21:33.860 if we propose the wrong a class definition case closed uh you should not be certifying this justice

00:21:41.460 deals but that's not how class actions work is if it's something procedural like that or

00:21:47.540 administrative there's an opportunity still to uh especially once we know which claims are moving

00:21:53.540 forward we could then massage how to make the class definition fit the class at the causes of

00:21:59.300 action that are proceeding because we made we made the class definition a bit more broad but

00:22:06.740 i think it's still very clear who it applies to of course the government didn't love it because

00:22:12.340 then more people are involved but it's still very clear who they are especially with all the medical

00:22:17.860 data that uh everyone provided so it's clear who took the vaccine um and all of that yeah

00:22:25.700 do we have no credit sorry i just want to ask carrie to to their credit um both council for

00:22:33.140 the government of canada and the government of alberta when they started um each of their to

00:22:38.420 do their submissions acknowledged carrie's injury and the challenges that her family has faced but

00:22:44.980 carrie you know you and i talked about this even in court like it was emotionally triggering for

00:22:50.020 me to sit there and listen to some of that stuff and i just thought you first of all i have to

00:22:54.420 commend you because you handled yourself so gracefully it's tough to sit in there and and

00:22:59.620 hear those things about yourself or about your claim or you know like how how were you feeling

00:23:04.820 throughout throughout those four days in court um and you just kept your cool so beautifully

00:23:12.260 um well i found that um it started off really well when the judge

00:23:21.140 at the very beginning acknowledged me i think it set the tone for me um she wanted to make it clear

00:23:29.320 that you know i'm not an object i'm not a number i am carrie sakamoto the vaccine injured person

00:23:37.700 that is not what the issue is whether i was vaccine injured or not we know that i am

00:23:42.940 it's these other all of these other things right um so i felt like um

00:23:50.020 i'm sorry and now i completely forget what we were talking about that's what happens to me all

00:23:57.240 the time i was just saying how are you feeling you know sitting in those few days of court and

00:24:01.700 you're absolutely right about justice dilt she um she did acknowledge it which was a nice way for

00:24:07.220 her to start that off you know saying there's you know we acknowledge this but there's technical

00:24:11.220 terms so we don't want to make you feel like you're you know like you said an object but i

00:24:15.980 really liked her. I really liked Justice Dills. Who did I? And it's hard, it is, it's, it's

00:24:21.060 strange to hear your name brought up so many times by so many people discussing your life.

00:24:27.400 But I also thought that, shoot, I'm sorry, my train of thought. That's okay. Totally fine.

00:24:37.460 We're all having that problem today. What's that, Carrie? Or, yes, yeah, that's what I do too.

00:24:45.980 yeah um yeah i'm sorry how you were feeling maybe yeah throughout the proceedings i was able to sit

00:24:53.500 through it because i know in the back of my mind that it's not just for me it's it's for the

00:24:59.200 thousands and thousands of injured people i'm not just sitting there myself i really felt like

00:25:05.160 i had all these people behind me supporting me wanting to you know see this go through as much

00:25:12.780 as i do and so um yeah just thinking of the other people and that um considering myself fortunate

00:25:20.680 that i'm able to step forward and um and do this you're a voice caring and we appreciate you you've

00:25:27.660 you're like the ambassador for this you know this horrible thing happened to you but here you are

00:25:32.300 still standing you're speaking in your and you're speaking for how many thousands of people out

00:25:36.680 there right now in the similar situation who feel like they don't have a voice so you know kudos to

00:25:41.580 you. Well, thank you, Chris. And just on that point, maybe I'll just mention, because people

00:25:49.520 ask all the time, you know, how many people could it be? And one piece of evidence that we did get

00:25:54.320 out from the hearing is in Alberta, they had recognized 3,452, I believe is the number of

00:26:05.820 vaccine injured individuals that were then reported to the federal government so we have

00:26:11.160 some idea at least about how much how many people have been recognized to date in Alberta that were

00:26:17.800 vaccine injured that kind that kind of information I don't think was public unless it was it was

00:26:24.360 through our cross-examination in this hearing and that was one of the points that we were making is

00:26:30.180 the government has only provided the public information that it chose to provide so we're

00:26:37.160 only going based off of public information what's available publicly and that information has been

00:26:44.400 very hard to understand at times the federal system of vaccine injured hasn't been updated

00:26:50.820 since January of 2024 so we have no idea what's going on anymore and that is that was all part

00:26:59.020 this lawsuit is and the problem yeah yes the program is working the broken program

00:27:05.660 yes to that for days absolutely yeah and that was one of the things you know like they brought up

00:27:13.500 the the visp often but they never brought up the pro like the pro they just talked about it like

00:27:18.940 uh you know that that what happened with the vis program didn't happen they never even said

00:27:24.140 the words uh vaccine impact um whatever it's called now they never even said that once yeah

00:27:31.580 something like that um it was uh and it was you know it's listening to some other arguments like

00:27:38.220 i mean um i think one of the worst ones was saying was the government of canada lawyer basically

00:27:44.780 saying um well the pandemic's over like we should just move on yeah you know and stuff like that um

00:27:51.740 what he said about carrie what he said about carrie and being in the vis program he said

00:27:57.260 um the evidence shows that miss sakamoto applied for the vis program the evidence shows that she

00:28:03.500 was accepted the evidence shows she would up was offered compensation but there's no evidence if

00:28:08.540 she took it or not and so if she did what damages could she possibly have you know that was that

00:28:14.060 was really i thought ignorant and infuriating and i would like to add to that one too because

00:28:19.900 there's three reasons to uh that the purpose is behind a class action having all the common issues

00:28:25.740 i talked about but it's access to justice because it's really hard to sue the government if a hundred

00:28:30.620 people are these 3040 400 some do it individually everyone has to find a lawyer and get funding all

00:28:38.060 that stuff uh judicial economy i also mentioned but a really important one is behavior modification

00:28:44.860 so the defendant who is being found to do something not great will have to then change

00:28:51.980 their behavior because of this because the class action has been certified damages have been owed

00:28:57.200 but that speaks exactly to why this it's so important that this class action be certified

00:29:03.640 whether or not we succeed in the end is a different story but when you hear the government

00:29:09.880 of canada saying exactly that uh pandemic is over nothing to see here wait a second we i you need to

00:29:18.040 check yourselves here and we should all be able to see an open court transparently what on earth

00:29:24.120 the government was telling us whether it was accurate whether they were suppressing information

00:29:29.160 once and for all and if you failed then you will be changing your behavior but none of that will

00:29:35.240 happen unless we're able to have this in open court exactly some openness and transparency would be

00:29:42.920 nice yeah yeah well accountability something like they're yeah i said the other day in a social

00:29:49.560 media post you're like they've we've been held accountable uh tamara myself they haven't been

00:29:55.400 and their actions were a lot worse than ours as far as i'm concerned but this is government and

00:29:59.080 we'll keep pushing yeah it's sad that you have to do it at all it's like you know it is really sad

00:30:07.820 that you have to fight this hard it's it's sad that you know the visper the viap uh was uh

00:30:15.060 implemented what a month six weeks ago um and it's still not completely set up and going yet

00:30:21.540 people are still waiting um so it's it's it's unacceptable and they should have been in my

00:30:28.160 opinion helping these people right from the very beginning instead of gaslighting them trying to

00:30:33.380 make them feel like they were crazy not not getting them the help that they needed um and

00:30:38.360 it's just um i just find it very emotional i have a hard time not getting emotional about it because

00:30:44.560 it is extremely frustrating and now carrie you know who's got better things to do with her life

00:30:48.980 i'm sure like take care of her family you know has to go to court to fight for the things that

00:30:54.480 a democratic society should just naturally receive it's health care you think that you

00:31:01.280 know that's all the injured are asking for is help you know a little bit of health care would be great

00:31:07.680 you know um that a doctor could properly report what's happened and then treat you as a vaccine

00:31:13.920 injured why are there no um vaccine injury clinics um where people can go there's long

00:31:20.560 covid clinics you can google them there's probably three in my area there are no vaccine injury

00:31:28.080 clinics of any kind where doctors can gather and share information where patients can gather

00:31:34.480 information i think that the allison inquiry is giving voice to a bunch of injured people and

00:31:44.800 And hopefully bringing it again up in Parliament so that it's in the forefront again.

00:31:51.620 Because where did all these millions, the government likes to talk money all the time, you know.

00:31:56.220 Where's all the millions of dollars that was allotted for the injured?

00:32:00.980 And it's gone.

00:32:02.160 They've said it's gone.

00:32:03.580 Where we're gone?

00:32:04.960 Where?

00:32:06.820 That's just another case to what Eva was just saying, though.

00:32:10.520 Like, you know, the ox arrow and the visp was a giant epic failure.

00:32:14.800 and rather than actually come out and acknowledge this they're just they're literally just trying

00:32:19.560 to like do this and stop talking about it so people do forget about it but there's a massive

00:32:24.780 scandal there for sure there is i think something like 36 million dollars went um to administering

00:32:32.060 that program which we now know was not being administered so where's the money yeah and and

00:32:38.280 we also know there's thousands of people just in Alberta that are injured you know like and looking

00:32:46.060 for recognition they they they're looking for help you know it's sad yeah that's why we need

00:32:53.400 an Alberta provincial vaccine injury program for sure um they could they could probably get it

00:33:00.220 rolled out but faster than the government gets the VIP rolled out anyways it only makes sense

00:33:05.360 our doctors are in the province our health care is in the province that we're in it doesn't make

00:33:10.480 sense that everything is going through ottawa for people in alberta or bc what what yeah exactly

00:33:19.280 it could be streamlined so much better and um people who are injured i think could get care

00:33:26.000 in a real timely matter you know not like yes the government's timely manner yeah

00:33:32.800 yeah it's great these doctors are waking up to this too there's so many doctors out there right

00:33:39.900 now and i speak to so many people that have issues that go to the hospital or the walk-in

00:33:43.400 clinics to have themselves looked at and the doctors basically write them off you know i have

00:33:48.420 family members that have been fighting this for years now and obviously there's issues and the

00:33:52.540 doctors keep pushing it off or send you to somebody else that sends you to somebody else

00:33:56.580 and by the time they actually find out the root cause of it it's you know possibly too late in

00:34:01.540 some cases that's our health care system you know find a doctor eva and i were at the whistle stop

00:34:07.800 yesterday and um carrie got up uh carrie i can't remember his last name chris scott's partner there

00:34:14.000 from the chris and carrie yes thank you thank you carrie lambert um and he just talked before he

00:34:20.540 introduced us uh to go on stage and he was saying like he wasn't at the whistle stop last year for

00:34:26.200 july 1st because his daughter has had cancer she was diagnosed with cancer down in the united states

00:34:32.480 she was into a clinic immediately was doing really well um i think it was his mother um during the

00:34:40.960 same time was also diagnosed with cancer and she waited over a year to even get in to see someone

00:34:48.500 you know less than a month um and his mom i think it was his mom um it was a female older relation

00:34:55.960 for sure i think it was his mom anyways you know so that shows you the difference just between you

00:35:00.600 know like you said we're supposed to have the best health care in the world but that's not

00:35:08.120 just that glitching

00:35:11.880 she always glitches i don't know what there's now she's back now you're back

00:35:18.360 i should restart my computer first it's i'm so i'm still gonna get go get a computer

00:35:23.560 didn't happen this week next week you're critical in the palm prairies in saskatchewan where you

00:35:28.920 know we did we had dial-up internet years years ago and and now you're in a major city with high

00:35:34.680 speed and here i'm not having it i'm not having many issues so that's good thanks elon musk

00:35:39.240 starlink yes thank you it honestly starlink worked better and when we were in manitoba than it does

00:35:45.640 in my backyard here which is kind of crazy but oh well eva so what's uh what's what's coming up next

00:35:52.360 then when do you expect to hear a decision from justice diltz i've said this way i have no idea

00:35:59.320 maybe three to five months with a heavy emphasis on i have no idea uh no indication on when it'll

00:36:06.200 be but you know it's an important one i think as you both suggested justice still seemed very in

00:36:13.080 my view very fair i don't think we really pushed it there was an indication the lawyer suggested

00:36:19.640 maybe this might go on but Justice Dilts made it very clear we're gonna sit later start earlier to

00:36:25.960 make sure that we get get it done in the four days that were allotted so I don't expect that this

00:36:32.120 decision will take an extremely long time just given uh the way that it was managed so hopefully

00:36:39.400 sooner rather than later of course so that we all know next steps and what's going to happen here

00:36:44.680 it was really interesting to watch her because the first day when you got up to to do your

00:36:50.000 submissions like i felt like she pushed back against you a few times um throughout throughout

00:36:55.700 that day um and she asked you really good questions and then by the time that you came

00:37:00.140 back to do your reply after sitting through the canadian government's lawyers um and the and the

00:37:07.620 provincial government's lawyers um which i didn't find them half as bad as the canadian ones honestly

00:37:12.140 but um you know she she was much more receptive on your last day i thought uh just with regards

00:37:18.140 to your arguments and um and how some of what their some of their arguments were i know on the

00:37:24.440 first day uh the lady got up for the government of canada and immediately started talking and the

00:37:29.700 justice dilt was like well eva and i just solved that problem like just now but you know it was

00:37:35.260 like unless they couldn't read it off their paper when she would ask them questions they couldn't

00:37:39.460 answer them and um she felt she seemed like she got really frustrated with that so anyways i was

00:37:46.820 happy with the way that it ended um and i felt pretty hopeful that you guys have a really

00:37:51.780 excellent case to get this moving forward so i sure hope so is there uh just looking at the

00:37:57.300 comment section here everybody with kathy here her sister had a brain aneurysm is that is that

00:38:03.540 like neurological issues are are quite common with with the with the vaccine injuries right

00:38:08.420 carrie can you do you know much about this what she's asking here um yes yes and uh yeah i know

00:38:17.940 of people who've had strokes and brain lesions michelle wharton from canrise 19 she's a good

00:38:27.060 example she has a lot of neurological issues she's had brain surgery and they continue to find things

00:38:34.580 wrong with her brain and um it just just keeps going so but yeah there's a lot of there's a lot

00:38:44.260 of that so kathy i encourage you to reach out to uh michelle wharton um yeah can rise 19 uh i don't

00:38:53.060 know if we have the email link ready to go but i mentioned tasha our amazing producer will have it

00:38:57.700 up there within seconds because that's she's not as fast as eva but almost no i mean if eva's not

00:39:10.100 say with carrie too like one thing that she said a number of times and i'm just going to 0.99

00:39:15.300 uh put it out there too is the way carrie described it too is that they the vaccine

00:39:21.300 injured have had to basically support each other so this is what the government was is supposed to

00:39:27.380 do that's why we have public health care they were encouraging the vaccine and then instead

00:39:33.220 vaccine injured people have come together to help each other out because the government

00:39:37.860 abandoned and failed them and so yeah she knows a lot about the the issues that have occurred

00:39:44.900 because they're talking to each other and helping each other out and as chris and tamara well and

00:39:50.900 And Eva, you all know about censorship, even just trying to find other injured people and not being able to say the words COVID vaccine injury, you know, was very, very difficult in the beginning.

00:40:04.820 I find it's a little more lenient now. For example, I have a Facebook page and I have, you know, I write on there COVID vaccine injured and they haven't taken it away yet.

00:40:17.620 this one but i shouldn't speak too soon knock on some wood here but um yeah censorship is a is a

00:40:26.420 big issue was a big barrier in uh for us to get together so we were meeting in

00:40:33.460 backroom places online so that we could say words just as simple as vaccine injury

00:40:41.380 yeah i encourage anybody tell the canres 19 is a good organization if you reach out to carry

00:40:46.580 private message to her most people can do that on social media and she will probably respond

00:40:51.540 and help you with ideas or where to go to get the help that you need because there's a community of

00:40:56.100 people that are vaccine injured right now and they like you said they're the support system

00:40:59.860 that have been getting themselves through this last number of years yeah i i'm just gonna jump

00:41:06.020 off and quickly reboot my computer because i'm just keep glitching up so just uh chris hold the

00:41:10.340 hold the show not the line i'll be right back i was going to be the host and ask carrie to maybe

00:41:16.500 describe what the updates are with the so first it was the vaccine injury support program through

00:41:22.740 a third party oxero and now the public health agency of canada has stated already in april at

00:41:29.940 least that they're taking over um what are the updates carrie that you've seen since april when

00:41:35.540 our government has said don't worry we've got this everybody yeah so we actually just received

00:41:42.180 an update letter and they're stating that starting july 1st so yesterday that we can create an

00:41:51.380 account for the viap claimant portal and in this portal they tell you how you can register for it

00:42:01.060 and you verify your information and then um apparently in this portal through your account

00:42:08.500 you can sign in and view your claim information including your claim status and any new mail um

00:42:18.340 this is this is five years later we're just starting to get a login and uh access to a

00:42:24.740 program that is still uncertain of what it actually is providing yeah yeah yeah so i have

00:42:32.180 not tried to sign into the new um portal yet but i plan on doing it in the next couple days

00:42:39.540 to see what's up um my case is now considered an open appeal and we've been told that people

00:42:46.500 who are appealing are going to have to show why we're appealing with strong evidence and

00:42:56.660 which has already been asked and provided but I'll give it to them a hundred times if they

00:43:02.660 keep asking I'll send it a million I don't care you know I just want it to work I just want to be

00:43:08.740 done going through this program it's been five years um i i'm and she i'll give i'll help

00:43:18.660 kind of illustrate it so what the appeal is that uh carrie is appealing is she submitted for example

00:43:26.100 a receipt for a hearing aid which she requires now because she's lost hearing they denied it

00:43:32.340 so she appealed that benefit same with her eyeglasses she's lost vision in her eye

00:43:40.100 and they denied the claim she's appealing based on things like a hearing aid her eye vision and

00:43:48.500 medication that she requires to take every day it's not for you know millions of dollars it's

00:43:54.660 for basic necessities that are directly related to her injury and they make it sound like it's this

00:44:01.780 big appeal she's asking for when it just pay for the the bills that i've i've incurred five years

00:44:09.220 ago yeah yeah if i was waiting on them i still wouldn't have glasses to protect my eye i still

00:44:18.340 and i'm sure there's more i can't hear carrie hello i can hear you yeah i've spent thousands

00:44:28.740 of dollars um on you know i should be in all kinds of therapies thankfully my give send go people

00:44:34.660 donate and so um i pay for things like swimming because i can't really exercise because i have

00:44:40.180 two types of vertigo swimming is the one thing i can do oh so um i don't know what is going on here

00:44:51.460 we lost i think we're having problems i think we're having technical issues

00:44:56.980 we lost eva unbelievable yeah yeah she's got to get to the stampede anyways that's why i told her 1.00

00:45:03.700 we'd get her out of here before seven because she's got to go down and do some stampedes the

00:45:06.740 first day of calgary stampede today my jean vest yeah i never know no me neither too big for me

00:45:17.380 too big for me too many people stay up past six so yeah yeah no doubt no kidding okay um i'm sorry

00:45:28.980 i had to jump off there and restart my computer but yeah i don't know everyone seems to be having

00:45:33.620 really glitchy electronics today strange they're coming over this over the house here but i think

00:45:40.580 the storms are building over top me and then going on so hopefully sun's back out now so it is hot

00:45:46.020 and it is muggy out there carrie what's your weather like same same thing yeah yeah i watch

00:45:52.180 it come from here and it goes past us and hits medicine hat i watch it go towards tamara all the

00:45:59.860 the time we're sort of right on the periphery of all these uh all these um this weather that

00:46:07.140 we're having so we have been getting some rain but goodness not like what they're getting up

00:46:10.480 north um manitoba's flooding northern alberta central alberta's flooding it's um there's a lot

00:46:17.260 of water so hopefully it's good for stampede it's been a little tricky but a bunch of loads for uh

00:46:24.740 you know northern saskatchewan right now and there's most of the places we can't get into

00:46:28.220 to haul the equipment and just too much water so praying for those guys up there hopefully they get

00:46:33.580 a break yeah absolutely absolutely uh well did we get everything covered the two ladies um i think

00:46:42.380 we covered everything i wanted to really talk about i just wanted to give everybody an update

00:46:46.060 and on how that went and eva i know you got you got to get going so i i couldn't hear after you

00:46:52.140 logged back in so i i took your your cue and logged back in and now i can hear you oh good

00:46:57.260 yeah oh i had to yeah i don't know i don't know why it does this it's really frustrating well that

00:47:03.580 we had a show with uh gord mcgill a couple weeks ago and it just cracked it's gonna do it again

00:47:07.820 here it goes and it crashed and uh chris had to finish the whole show by himself so anyways yeah

00:47:17.900 so i think um before my computer absolutely dies for the evening i'm i'm gonna let you guys go

00:47:25.020 okay well thank you um and thanks again for coming to the courtroom

00:47:29.740 um it was great to have somebody there the whole time reporting on it

00:47:35.740 yeah it was great to have you sitting beside me well thank you i was really

00:47:39.980 someone who is not there i had no idea what to expect so um yeah it was great having having you

00:47:46.780 sitting there beside me and then of course when you're sitting court you could see everybody's

00:47:50.700 name online who were signed in so that was really great and thank you guys chris and tamara for

00:47:56.540 giving us this space again to speak about the vaccine injured we're out here we're by the

00:48:01.820 thousands and uh we're not stopping we're we're speaking up as loud as we can we're we're right

00:48:08.220 behind you carrie and neva and uh of course eva's been right in the fight right from the day one

00:48:12.540 i don't know you never surpassed me i was trying to find her book i was trying to find her book

00:48:21.400 to show but um eva i would like to get you on one day um in the near future to talk about um

00:48:27.560 empowering canadians if you would be so kind to join us there we go reconnect to canada

00:48:32.240 happy too it was and it was just because of what we witnessed in ottawa and post ottawa especially

00:48:38.680 the lies and the uh the way people were just making nonsense out of things that were just so

00:48:46.360 uh nothing like overthrowing the government for example with a piece of paper like we need to be

00:48:53.300 educated about our system in order to have these discussions of how to change the system so I was

00:48:59.140 just so frustrated with the level of discussion in this country I was embarrassed frankly so

00:49:03.820 that's why i wrote it but yeah we can talk another time about it yeah we'll we'll have you on we'll

00:49:09.640 get you booked in to come on and just talk about your organization because i think people need to

00:49:13.600 know about it because you're doing such great work so thanks for everything you do carrie thanks for

00:49:17.800 everything you're doing um and uh yeah we'll let you guys uh we'll let you guys go before my computer

00:49:23.900 crashes yeah have fun guys so we'll get you on once we have any more updates sounds great yeah

00:49:29.820 that'd be great all right okay okay take care bye guys gosh i wonder if it has something to do with

00:49:41.480 the weather or something i'm not trying to pick my nose i got a hair in my mustache it's literally

00:49:46.240 going right up the inside of a nostril and i don't and it just tickles that is my problem i'm not

00:49:53.800 get that hair out of there well i'm happy to say that i don't have those kinds of problems

00:50:00.380 and what you got planned for the rest of the week

00:50:05.200 uh i'm in demon demolition mode in my little community of stir valley right now i have my

00:50:11.360 track over there right now of course because of the new government laws on uh on environmental

00:50:16.340 stuff you know when we tear a house down now everything's got to be put into dumpsters and

00:50:20.700 hauled 25 miles to the local landfill site whereas back in the day we used to just dig a hole and

00:50:26.020 burn it wherever it was so i'm finding it quite time consuming i i'm always waiting for them to

00:50:31.560 come back and give us give me another empty bin and but i'll tell you what using a track code to

00:50:37.200 smash and destroy a house is so exhilarating it is just the best thing in the world therapy

00:50:45.060 it's probably like therapy

00:50:47.080 got this old stone fireplace

00:50:49.980 on the outside of the house

00:50:51.320 and I'm like that is such a landmark

00:50:53.300 but it has to come down

00:50:55.320 so that'll be the lot

00:50:57.220 when it comes down I'll push it down in the basement

00:50:58.820 and then cover it over

00:50:59.620 it's unfortunate

00:51:02.460 I'll be burying like I said my neighbor's

00:51:05.260 horse probably tomorrow morning

00:51:06.700 and continuing on

00:51:09.180 with my demolition work

00:51:11.080 I've got haying that has to get ready

00:51:13.400 here jonathan's probably still out in the shop working on her swather and as soon as that's

00:51:17.320 uh up and running again i fought with it for a few hours this afternoon and uh the float and the

00:51:23.560 carburetor has a hole in it so we're having troubles keeping it running so i thought it

00:51:27.400 would have been a good night get everything cut tonight and then i could bail in probably three

00:51:31.480 or four days but yeah yeah you should have a really good uh you should have a really good

00:51:41.960 hang season i uh no i'm debating with her i'm just trying to post this up but

00:51:51.960 so do we wanna have brown hairs on your chin no i don't bev thankfully

00:51:58.840 more white now than anything sorry chris there's a lag yeah yeah there is did we want to what

00:52:06.040 we can ask i don't know there's a lag in there somewhere so i don't know what's going on with

00:52:11.000 their system tonight but yeah exactly yeah i don't know why they're weird anyways okay well i'll just

00:52:19.340 um we could just sign off for this week and let their computers things sort themselves out

00:52:24.940 hopefully i'll have a hopefully i'll have a new one by next week anyways next week i think we've

00:52:29.660 got john coming on right blend do you know him as right blend um he sat through a heck of a lot

00:52:34.940 almost every freedom convoy uh trial and hearing that there was out in ottawa and did some fantastic

00:52:40.060 are reporting on all of those and he's become a great friend he recently had heart open heart

00:52:45.480 surgery a few months ago now so he's still been recovering from that but yeah we're looking

00:52:50.060 forward to having having him on um also chris i ran into mike rude yesterday and i'd like to get

00:52:56.280 him on to to talk about his story because he's got quite a story he does now the um now the

00:53:01.740 canadian government or the caf is going after him for a hundred thousand dollars for what he received

00:53:07.480 a letter that he he owes them a hundred thousand dollars i mean the caf and the canadian government

00:53:12.200 should be on their knees begging for that man's forgiveness for what they did to him and others

00:53:16.760 so it's uh it brutal yeah absolutely just brutal when are we going to become angry everyone this

00:53:23.320 is my question that i commonly ask myself like what they keep doing this they're not hiding the

00:53:27.800 corruption anymore and it's evidence it's open sight but we just keep allowing it it's unfortunate

00:53:34.920 so yeah exactly yeah overpayment is what they're saying clothes right yeah they said it was an

00:53:40.680 overpayment of some sort yeah wow that's just so frustrating i just wish they would take just like

00:53:48.240 our vaccine injured you know just take care of our veterans just take care of them they gave up their

00:53:53.000 life for you basically they sacrificed so much you know they fought for this country and every time

00:53:58.500 they ask for any just like carrie i'd like some medicine uh there was one of them that asked to

00:54:03.460 get a uh a chair lift in her home and they offered her maid instead i mean this is the kind of

00:54:08.520 treatment that they're getting so um so yeah i'll uh i'll get that arranged with him next week and

00:54:13.580 we'll get him booked in so we got so many people we got to get on the show it's absolutely crazy

00:54:17.680 um so we're gonna look at launching in a second episode but i thought we may as well wait until

00:54:23.720 the end of the summer because everyone's going to be busy and stuff so at the end of the summer

00:54:27.960 we'll get that uh get that done but anyways i'm off to ottawa tomorrow morning i apologize to

00:54:34.600 everyone for all the technical issues here again this evening it's so frustrating but i don't think

00:54:39.520 we're the only ones honestly there's a major lag so we have a very patient amazing audience so

00:54:46.200 they know that we just come out here and wing it most days we're not professional podcasters but

00:54:50.760 we've got a small you know a small minority of people that like to join in and we're very thankful

00:54:55.200 for that so thank you very much we love our fringe minority that's right we love our fringe minority

00:55:01.040 okay everybody have a great week and thank you so much for joining us tonight on how's to rest

00:55:05.440 chris i hope you have a fantastic week and uh i'll let you know how my trip to ottawa goes

00:55:10.320 when i get home on monday awesome enjoy your trip travel safe and we will see you next week

00:55:15.920 bye guys have a great week everyone

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Ep. 35 Carrie Sakamoto + Eva Chipiuk

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