EPISODE 585： THE GULAGS HAVE ARRIVED - DOUGLASS MACKEY SENTENCED TO SEVEN MONTHS FOR MEMES
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A federal judge sentences Douglas Mackey to 7 months in prison after finding him guilty of election interference for making memes disparaging Hillary Clinton. Iran warns Israel to call off a ground offensive into Gaza or face retaliation that it says no one in the world will be able to stop.
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A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.
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This is human events with your host, Jack Posobiec. Deliver us from the pride that Israel takes in the
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ability to defend itself by itself. But as we want to make very clear, you don't have to do that
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because we're here. Aid under President Joe Biden may have gone to benefit Hamas. $1 billion under
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President Biden has gone to a group called the United Nations Relief. Now, the former President
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Trump cut off the funding in 2018, citing flaws in the agency because of links to Hamas.
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The attack on Israel should have never happened and it wouldn't have happened if they had a different
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president. You're looking at live pictures of Beirut, Lebanon right now. Protests erupting into
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violence a short while ago. What began as a protest in front of the U.S. Embassy by Lebanese people last
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night became very violent over the course of the evening. No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.
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Israeli forces are on the Gaza border preparing for a major ground operation into Gaza and Iran is
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making more threats. Warning Israel to call it off or face retaliation that it says no one in the world
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will be able to stop. Israel does not target places like hospitals. They're not a target for us and we
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wouldn't have deliberately hit a hospital. A mass casualty event that could change the international
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opinion of what Israel is doing right now. Hamas are the new Nazis. The world has to stand united
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behind Israel to defeat Hamas. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily
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live from Washington, D.C. Jack Posobiec. Today is October 18th, 2023. Anno Domini. I want to play a clip
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right now for everybody. Hillary Clinton from a few days ago. Let's play that, guys.
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Okay. And sadly, so many of those extremists, those mega extremists, take their marching orders from
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Donald Trump, who has no credibility left by any measure. He's only in it for himself. He's now
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defending himself in civil actions and criminal actions. And when do they break with him? You
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know, because at some point, you know, maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult
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members, but something needs to happen. Hillary Clinton called for a formal deprogramming of
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Trump supporters calling us cult members. Well, what happened today out of New York City? Federal
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judge just sentenced Douglas Mackey to seven months in prison after being found guilty of election
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interference for making memes disparaging Hillary Clinton. His name is Douglas Mackey. Everyone needs
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to go to memedefensefund.com right now to support Douglas Mackey. Because it's not just about Doug.
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It's about all of us. And they know it. That's the point. This is about having the right to meme,
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having the freedom to meme. Doug represents the 16ers, the people that helped give the United States
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its last real taste of freedom. Do you remember that taste? Before the bombs started dropping? Before
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the war drums started beating? It wasn't about election interference. No matter what the media
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reports or fails to report on, this was about showing the radical left how ridiculous their worldview
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actually is. And of course, Trump is gagged in his case over January 6th. So Trump being gagged by another
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federal judge, that's not election interference. But Doug Mackey, a meme maker, gets sent to jail for elect for
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making memes. And that's election interference. The country you grew up in no longer exists. The gulags are
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here now. This isn't just about throwing Doug in jail. This is about shutting up everyone that would
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potentially speak out against the corrupt regime under which we live in, to silence you, to make you
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terrified about what you post online, to make you scared to speak your voice. Well, guess what?
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Guess what, regime? I'm still here. Poso is still standing. All of us are still standing. And you know
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what? We're not going to stop. We're not going to stop throwing up pictures of Doug or Ricky Vaughn,
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his account from 2016. We're not going to stop posting memes. We're not going to stop speaking truth to
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power. This will be appealed. We're going to go to memedefensefund.com. And when Donald J. Trump,
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takes the oath of office on January 20th, 2035 at high noon, he will pardon Doug Mackey on day one.
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You can take that to the bank. He's coming back. Doug's getting pardoned. All the J6ers are being
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pardoned. And all of you are going to be the ones facing jail sentences. Just wait. We're coming.
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we understand that we're going into World War III right now. May have already begun. Biden's over
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there falling asleep at these summits, the summits, some of which are being canceled because events are
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spinning out of control because of the Biden regime. But all the same while, the legacy media,
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the dinosaur media, the mainstream media will tell you that you must be very, very concerned
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with the events that are going on thousands of miles away. And we have to fight. We have to fight
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all of these people at the same time. Why? To stand up for democracy. To stand up for democracy.
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Isn't that what we're always told? To stand up for democracy. Well, guess what?
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The United States government just threw a man in jail for posting memes. Gavin Wax of the New York
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Young Republicans joins us. Gavin, I know now this actually took place in New York. I know you were
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following the case. Gavin, what's your analysis? What's going on? How do we get to this point?
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Well, thank you for having me, Jack. And I like how you opened, kind of tying it to the geopolitical
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framework of the world at large. You know, the United States once used to stand up and say,
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you know, we have the moral high ground. We have, you know, this, this, we're, we're projecting this
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worldview onto the world stage of democracy, of human rights, of all these really nice sounding words,
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terms, and phrases. But, you know, it just appears to be every day we're losing all those supposed,
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you know, deeply held values here at home. And now we are seeing an American citizen being sentenced
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to, I believe, seven months in jail for creating memes during the 2016 presidential election mocking
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Hillary Clinton. This is a type of sentence. This is the type of, you know, crime. It's shocking that
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it's even a crime. But these are the types of things that you would expect from these third world
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dictatorships that the United States is, or certain segments of the United States government is always
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calling to invade, to advance democracy and whatever else they're pushing these days. So it's really
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sad state of affairs for our country that we've hit such a low point that our justice system can't
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really be called a justice system anymore. It certainly can't be called a justice system for
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everyone. There's certainly multiple different tiers. I know before the show, I said two, you said
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three, you know, one for the elites, one for the conservatives, and one for the everyman. You know,
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I would argue that in a few more years, if we continue on this trajectory, there will be two,
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there will be two sets of justice for the elites and everyone else. They won't even,
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you know, separate the everyday people from conservatives. If you're not in the club,
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you will be treated by a different set of standards. So I think this is ridiculous. It also just goes to
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show the amount of legislation and rules and, and, and, and, and things on the books at the federal level.
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I mean, you could find any obscure statute that was passed by Congress, these vague obscure statutes
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that are poorly written that any activist judge or activist prosecutor could take advantage of to
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throw you in, into jail. I mean, we need wholesale reform at the federal level, reviewing all these
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statutes, putting in sunset clause provisions, making sure that a lot of these things that could
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be abused and used are tossed out. And, uh, I hope, uh, that we will be seeing, or, and I,
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and I expect to see a Republican president, uh, you know, in 2024. Uh, and if we do that,
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and if we take back Congress, we need to remove and amend and, you know, uh, change all of these
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laws that have been abused, uh, by these activists, left-wing prosecutors, just like in this case,
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and make sure that none of these statutes stay on the books.
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You know, uh, man, it goes without saying, uh, pardon day one, when Donald J. Trump returns to
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office for Doug Mackey until then folks can go to memedefensefund.com support Doug memedefensefund.com
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support the right to meme. And I want to be clear that, uh, so what we're getting in terms of
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details, it is seven months, his case. So his sentence was stayed, which means he will have
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to appeal his center, excuse me. He will have to serve his sentence while trying to appeal the case.
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That means he's got to go in. The judge decided that today, uh, this is extreme, very egregious.
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Nothing like this has ever been done in the entire history of our Republic. Again, sending someone
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essentially for a political cartoon, a political, the modern political cartoon is a meme. And a man
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has just been sentenced to seven months in jail for making the equivalent of a modern political
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cartoon. And so, uh, we're told that his current sentence date is 18 January, and that could be
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potentially pushed back. If, uh, again, based on some of the appeals that could go forward, Gavin,
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why is it so important? Why is it that what they've done is to, to essentially illegalize or criminalize
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the act of making a modern political cartoon? Why, why is this, why does this matter?
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Well, listen, the, the art of the meme is, is a huge part of, uh, the modern, uh, political
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landscape. I mean, memes can make or break a campaign. They can make or break a candidate.
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Uh, they can really change the entire political and electoral landscape. They are a very powerful
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tool, a powerful medium, uh, in the modern digital age of political warfare. And obviously the left
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recognizes that the left has always been caught on the back foot. They've always been a few steps
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behind the right in their, uh, you know, methods. The left can't mean the left can't mean people in
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jail who can exactly, you know, there's actually, there's actually down to it. No, I was just going
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to say, there's a, there's a longer explanation, but the left can't mean because they are memes.
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Uh, a meme is a, a meme is a humorous observation on reality. Whereas leftism is a long form denial
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of reality. Correct. I mean, it's very philosophical when you break it down beyond all the funny memes
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that we can discuss and laugh at, but it is really a substantive issue here. And I think, you know,
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campaigns and candidates and political movements that understand that the new, and I like how you
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phrased it, the new political cartoons of the era, the memes of the era, uh, can really make or break
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things. I think the left is beginning to understand it. I think they realized they can't really compete
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on this front properly. They're always going to be, uh, you know, caught in the back foot when it comes
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to it. So they figured, all right, well, let's just, let's just, uh, you know, imprison, uh, and, and
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criminally prosecute some prominent meme masters. What effect does this have? This isn't just about Doug
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Mackey though. What effect does this have on everybody out there? It's, it's not just about the 2016
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election, uh, possibly the greatest election of all time, but it's also about the 2024 election,
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isn't it? Correct. I mean, they want to scare anyone, uh, who would be engaged in similar types
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of meme, uh, meme making. They want to scare anyone, uh, from even, you know, hiding behind an anonymous
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account, anyone who, who uses the internet's, you know, rights of anonymity to advance a political
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agenda. You know, this is a big part of what makes Twitter great or excuse me, X grade. And what makes
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the internet great is that, you know, you can still advance your political ideals and not risk,
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you know, being doxxed or canceled or losing your job and livelihood, which we know the left is a
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very apt to do, especially against conservatives and Trump supporters. And now they've taken it a
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step further. Correct. Correct. He's, he's, he's gotten it from all fronts, but now they're trying
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to set a new standard that not only will you be canceled, not only will you be doxxed, not only will
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come after you, uh, but we're also now going to criminally prosecute you for engaging in wrong
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think and for producing wrong think memes that, that challenge people's perceptions and views
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on reality, challenge people's perceptions and views on the political landscape, on the state of
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the country and all the rest. And they're doing this in the lead up to 2024 because they want to
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prevent, you know, effective individuals like Doug from making memes from, from engaging in the
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political discourse online and from shifting and from shifting the narrative and shifting the Overton
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window, all of which happened in 2016, as you mentioned, and will happen again in 2024, if we're
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allowed to do so in the, uh, in the town square and in the, in the public town square, which is the
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internet, which is X, which is whatever other app you may be using. So we're heading into very scary
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times. I mean, this is just one incident of many, many, where we're seeing, you know, the justice system
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just be, you know, completely turned inside out, all these institutions weaponized against American
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citizens. They're doing it to the J sixers. Now they're doing it to memers. They're doing it to a
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whole wide range of anyone who's anti-regime, anti-establishment. And it's really the, the
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telltale sign of, of a declining empire of a declining American state, uh, that we're really in a very dark
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time in our country's history where the political discourse, where the political dichotomy is so stark,
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which is so polarized. It's only going to get worse. And the left is playing for keeps. I give
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them credit. They're playing, they're playing this, like it's a blood sport. And you have Republicans,
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like you mentioned in the opening, Republicans are the party of the dumb and they're playing,
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you know, for pats on the head. They're playing, uh, for really stupid reasons. They're not,
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they're certainly not playing to win. They're certainly not playing to beat back the left.
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And the longer this sort of dynamic continues, the more incidents like this latest sentencing,
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uh, are going to continue to happen. We're going to see more sentences like that. This is just the
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first step. They're testing the waters. They're seeing if they could get away with it. They're
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seeing how the public's reaction is going to be. And they're seeing, okay, well, next time it won't
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be seven months. Next time it'll be a year. And then thereafter two years and three years and so
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on and so forth until it becomes, uh, such a, uh, such a dark period, such a, you know, it's such an
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ominous position to be in that you're, you're too scared to even engage in this sort of political
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memory, if that's even a word. Uh, but you know, uh, this is just the beginning of a long
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trend of, um, I see likewise sentences. First, they came for the memers, you know,
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there's a direct, uh, correlation between this and the Trump prosecution, because in fact,
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the charge that they hit, um, Doug Mackey with is the same one that some J sixers face is the same
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one that Donald Trump faced in the Jan six hearing, uh, excuse me, Jan six prosecution regarding
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conspiracy against rights. And so they hit them with this charge, conspiracy against
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totally bogus, totally insane. But on the books, what it is, they claimed it was a conspiracy to
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deprive the rights of others by allowing them to vote in the election. This is the same charge
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they've hit president Trump with. This actually is a test case to set up and set the precedent
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for president Trump going forward. As well, as you say, Gavin, potentially anyone else that they want
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to, to go after this, Oh, you posted a meme. I don't like, well, guess what? Make a better meme.
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No, they're not going to make a better meme anymore. They're going to throw you in jail.
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Do you get it yet? Are you paying attention yet?
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Influencers. These are influencers and, uh, they're friends of mine. Jack.
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The left can't meme. So they're throwing people in jail who can. We're back human events daily.
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we look at the situation, when we look at the understanding of what our country has turned
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into, I can't get past this, this notion that we are told that we have to send our troops.
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We've got what as many as 20,000 troops right now in harm's way, uh, in the middle East,
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two aircraft carriers, which two, two carriers alone, uh, that's 5,000 souls a piece, which
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I've been saying all week, those things are sitting ducks. And then who comes out and says
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the exact same. We're going to talk about this earlier, but I decided to throw the whole show
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out the window because of what happened with Doug, but Vladimir Putin came out and as well
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pointed out the very thing that I've been saying here, since the first carrier was sent that those
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carriers are indeed within range of the MiG 31s and their Kinjal hypersonic missiles, uh, the ability
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to, uh, speed to their targets at Mach nine over a thousand kilometers. Um, do we even seem to have
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any notion of what's going on? Meanwhile, we're told all of this is in furtherance of democracy.
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When our democracy is throwing people in jail for political cartoons here in the United States,
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Gavin zoom out for a minute. Why is all this happening now? How is it connected?
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This is all the hubris of the American empire and the American elites that run it. I can't even say
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American elites, the globalist elites, uh, who run it. You know, we, we were once, uh, you know,
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Pax Americana sort of this American empire based on, you know, our constitution or bill of rights
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and all of these, you know, preconceived notions about what makes our country great. But we've
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basically given up the pretense of even upholding those same, uh, principles of same rights here at
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home. But we want to use the rhetoric. We want to use the PR. We want to use the marketing, uh, to
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continue to project it abroad, uh, at the end of a gun. And, uh, the world is constantly, uh,
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beginning to realize that we are, you know, Joe Biden is an emperor with no clothes, essentially
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that, you know, we've hollowed out our country, uh, economically, spiritually, and otherwise,
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uh, we don't have the moral high ground. We don't have this moral superiority. We're in no position
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to dictate, uh, to anyone, uh, about human rights, whatever other concept we, uh, do your, uh, and
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we've put ourselves in a position where we have now become overstretched militarily, uh, and
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economically. And, uh, it's being taken advantage of, of our enemies and some really bad actors
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across the world. And the world has never been, uh, closer, uh, to world war three. Uh, we have,
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uh, rarely in the past few decades ever been less safe. Uh, terrorism is on the rise. Conflict is
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on the rise, multiple regional wars. Uh, you know, this is the whole world is on fire right now. And
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this is largely due not only to the Biden administration, but more broadly, uh, this sort of
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globalist elite, their contempt, uh, for the everyday people, whether it's in their countries
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in Europe or in the United States and, uh, their utter hubris. And they think that they can continue
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to dictate the terms that they can continue to maintain a unipolar world order when it's becoming
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increasingly clear that we are no longer in a unipolar world order. And we haven't been for some
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time. We were in a multipolar world order. And if we want to navigate that, we have to operate
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under that assumption. We have to operate under that as a, uh, as a basis of fact. And, uh,
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and the sooner we do that, and the sooner we can navigate that the better off the world is going
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to be. And I think the only person, uh, running for president right now who understands the dynamics
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on the world stage, who understands, uh, how to achieve peace, how to put the United States in a
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position of peace and strength, uh, both at home and abroad is president Donald J. Trump. And, uh,
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we did not see this insanity unfolding under his first term. We didn't see this violence,
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this chaos. These were all the things they warned us about back in 2015, 2016. Uh, when Doug was
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making memes, they said that the world would be brought to the verge of nuclear war. That didn't
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happen. Instead, we saw, you know, record-breaking, uh, you know, advancement to, to point out this,
00:23:57.420
by the way. Uh, so we know, and people remember the meme that Doug was sent to jail for was this
00:24:02.560
thing about text your vote, um, for Hillary voters, but that's not the only meme that Doug, AKA Ricky
00:24:09.220
Yvonne at the time, uh, posted. There was another meme campaign that Doug and, uh, the, the merry
00:24:16.880
band of 16ers were posting around that very same era. And this was hashtag draft your daughters.
00:24:23.680
Gavin, do you remember hashtag draft your daughters? Can you explain that?
00:24:31.260
And so this, this, uh, campaign was based on Hillary's notion that she was extremely pro
00:24:37.640
war. And what it was, was essentially an anti-war meme campaign to make it look as though Hillary
00:24:44.120
Clinton was calling for. So it played into the meme of, uh, feminism, which of course she was
00:24:49.300
pushing Stan with her. I'm with her. And also the meme of pro war at the same time saying, yeah,
00:24:55.780
you know, she fought, she fought for her space in the, in the, in the office. Now she can fight in
00:25:00.720
Syria. Now she could fight on the battlefield. Um, there, I mean, there were a ton of these,
00:25:04.800
but essentially Doug Mackey was somebody who warned us that the world would be at war if
00:25:11.000
Democrats got in power. Isn't that right? Yeah, absolutely. And listen, I don't think
00:25:16.400
we're very far off from that meme from way back when, way back when in 2015, 2016, you know,
00:25:21.500
listen, I think if we're going to try to fight a war on multiple fronts, whether it's China,
00:25:26.640
Taiwan, whether it's Russia, Ukraine, whether it's Iran, whether it's Hezbollah, Hamas, you know,
00:25:31.400
you name it. I mean, there's, there's even potential conflicts in the Balkans. There's
00:25:34.700
already a conflict in the caucuses that you have been drawing attention to the plight of
00:25:38.620
the Armenian Christians. You know, we're talking about the entire world being at war. There's
00:25:42.040
conflicts in West Africa. Uh, if we really want to, you know, uh, you know, be involved in all of
00:25:47.640
these, and we really want to fight a multi-front war and, uh, engage in the sort of empire building
00:25:52.420
that, you know, the neoconservatives tried to do for the last 20, 30 years. Well, you know,
00:25:57.040
we're running into a point where we're not going to have the manpower to do it. I mean,
00:25:59.800
you see recruitment is at record lows. The, the, the, the core, uh, you know, American demographic
00:26:05.700
that really supports these conflicts in terms of their sons and daughters signing up to join
00:26:10.460
the armed forces. You're talking about conservative Christian families in the South and the Midwest.
00:26:15.040
They're not signing up like they used to these generational American military families are now
00:26:19.760
walking away, uh, from the, from, from the American armed forces. They're walking away from these
00:26:24.100
institutions that they once, uh, cherish, they once supported, uh, and they once fought for because
00:26:29.340
they realized that these institutions no longer stand up for them, that no longer represent their
00:26:33.280
interests. And even further, they actually go out of their way, uh, to go against their interests in
00:26:38.060
terms of them pushing this, you know, woke ideology, this sort of America last agenda, you name it.
00:26:43.360
They're really going against, uh, the very people that they need to sign up to fight these wars.
00:26:48.240
So we're actually in a very, uh, you know, very precarious state militarily. And, you know,
00:26:52.840
we've depleted our munitions and our military, uh, stockpiles for Ukraine. And now we're sending
00:26:58.420
stuff over to Israel. I mean, we have just emptied out our military reserves, both in terms of, uh,
00:27:04.420
dollars and in terms of actual bullets. And also now we're stretched thin in terms of the actual
00:27:09.180
manpower. So I don't even know if the United States is prepared for the types of conflicts
00:27:13.640
that may lie ahead. And honestly, if we look to history, we look to history with, with, sorry.
00:27:17.940
Yes. No, no. So, so, so connected to me, connected to me, just a couple of minutes left.
00:27:23.460
How is it that, and, and let me know, are there any other candidates that you see out there on the
00:27:28.840
field that are poised to deal with all of these threats that are arrayed before us? Uh, or is there
00:27:35.560
one that stands out in your mind? Listen, there's no one else in the field on either side, whether
00:27:41.280
it's the Republican side or the Democrat side that understands how to achieve peace, peace through
00:27:46.040
strength, understands how to put the United States in a position of strength militarily, to broadcast
00:27:51.800
that strength in a very tactful way, and to let our enemies know that we are not to be messed with,
00:27:56.600
but that our ultimate goal is peace, not interventionism. And the only person who has a record of that,
00:28:01.320
the only person who has continued to maintain a rhetoric, uh, supporting those positions has been
00:28:05.600
President Donald J. Trump. He was the president of peace. His foreign policy successes were massive.
00:28:11.240
They cannot even be challenged by even his most vocal opposition, whether in the Republican party
00:28:16.020
or within the Democrat party. Everyone understands that on the, on the, uh, in the field of foreign
00:28:20.640
policy, President Trump achieved what many thought was impossible from North Korea to the Middle East
00:28:26.280
and elsewhere. Had he had a second term we would have had, we would have seen even further developments
00:28:30.700
in the Balkans and other regions in terms of developing peace in areas that have seen generational
00:28:35.400
conflict, uh, over the last hundred or so years. So we need this man back in the White House now more
00:28:40.920
than ever. Uh, if you're going to vote on one issue and one issue alone, and that's preventing nuclear
00:28:44.880
war, ensuring peace and making sure your daughters aren't drafted, uh, to utilize the meme you
00:28:49.980
reference. And the only person that you should be voting for is President Donald J. Trump come
00:28:56.560
Gavin, what are your coordinates? Where can people find you?
00:29:00.560
Thank you. Uh, you can follow me at Gavin Wax. That's Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and all the rest.
00:29:05.120
You can follow the New York Young Republican Club at NYYRC. We're going to have a fantastic gala
00:29:10.020
this year, December 9th. Jack will be there and, uh, many other great American patriots will be
00:29:15.760
there. We have Nigel Farage confirmed as one of our first speakers. We have another speaker
00:29:19.580
soon to be announced that I know many people, uh, will really appreciate and many more to come. So,
00:29:24.040
uh, check out the New York Young Republican Club at NYYRC.com.
00:29:28.500
Very excited. Thank you, Gavin. I want to play now, uh, we're going to be joined in our next segment by
00:29:33.400
a guest, Lee Smith, who actually was featured in a documentary I made years ago. You can go watch
00:29:40.420
this, AntifaMovie.com. It's still up. It's called Antifa Rise of the Black Flags. Antifamovie.com.
00:29:47.380
We've got a clip from it for you that I'd like to play now.
00:29:50.140
There is an ideology called anti-fascism. Now, this is a blend of anti-government extremism
00:29:57.140
of both anarchism and communism. However, in the same way that radical Islam is an idea,
00:30:07.040
there are various groups that have been formed aligned on this idea. A lot of my experience comes
00:30:15.800
from reporting in the Middle East. I lived in Lebanon for several years, you know, where Hezbollah is the
00:30:21.360
main as the, is the, the only existing armed militia inside of Lebanon. And Hezbollah is,
00:30:29.400
Hezbollah is a front for Iranian interest on the Eastern Mediterranean, actually now with the Syrian
00:30:34.980
war and other things that represents Iranian interests around the region. And that is actually
00:30:39.480
how I see Antifa. Historically, this is one of the things that we've seen in the Middle East for,
00:30:44.340
for at least half a century. Of course, the Iranians went to train in Lebanon. We saw
00:30:50.840
the Middle East is a plane for, is a, is a place for people who are training in terrorism and
00:30:57.380
training, training for combat. This, this is where they go.
00:31:02.880
In my ear about the boring people at your office, I'm trying to listen to the new human events
00:31:11.440
All right, Jack Posobiec back here, live human events daily. Now, while we're all focused on what's
00:31:17.180
going on, the censorship regime coming down, Doug Mackey being thrown in jail. And keep in mind,
00:31:23.260
folks, the reason they are doing this, the reason they're doing this to us is because they want to
00:31:28.100
be in your head. They want you second guessing every thought, every joke. You want the thought
00:31:32.660
police? Well, guess what? The thought police are here. And if you cross them, you will be thrown
00:31:37.300
in the gulag. Lee Smith is an author. He's a columnist. He's leesmith.locals.com. You just
00:31:46.160
heard him in that fantastic documentary that we did, Antifa Rise of the Black Flags a few years ago.
00:31:52.220
Lee, thank you so much for joining us here on human events daily.
00:31:55.840
Hey, Jack, thank you so much for, for bringing me on. I really appreciate it. Great to be talking
00:32:00.160
any other day. No, it's great to have you. Now, you've written a ton in tablet about the,
00:32:05.760
about the recent, I would say, flare up. I wouldn't say the kickoff because it's really a flare up
00:32:10.680
in this, this war that's been going on for decades now between, between the state of Israel and these
00:32:17.080
Islamic fighters. When we were talking about Antifa and BLM and did that documentary a few years ago,
00:32:23.660
why was it that you directly tied it to these types of groups? What is the connective tissue there?
00:32:31.000
Well, their causes are essentially, their causes are the same. I mean, I'm, I'm sure that a lot,
00:32:36.040
that a lot of you saw the, you know, the picture of BLM and support of Hamas and they had the image
00:32:41.560
of the paraglider. I mean, you know, what, what did these paragliders do? I mean, they slaughtered
00:32:45.800
hundreds of Israelis at, at a music festival. You know, they, they, they, you know, the, the total right
00:32:52.160
now is 1400 Israelis. They killed, um, uh, hundreds who've been taken hostage in Gaza. Um, so again,
00:33:01.820
it's the same kind of, and, and we've seen this going on in the sixties and seventies. I mean,
00:33:06.260
it's important to remember all the international, especially all the Europeans and the American left
00:33:11.340
who trained in places like Lebanon, which is by the way, for Hamas trained for this operation. So
00:33:17.260
it really is sort of an international, uh, an international collection of terror organizations,
00:33:26.500
militias, if, if, if people would prefer to put it like that, but BLM is clearly a blue militia,
00:33:32.420
right. And there's a reason they stand up for Hamas. There's a reason they stand up for Hezbollah.
00:33:38.220
There's a reason they promote the same causes, right. And that's nothing to do with justice.
00:33:42.980
That's to do with, you know, it, it, it, it has to do, it has to do with violence and targeting
00:33:48.800
American peace and prosperity. That's a very important thing that they share. These are all
00:33:54.640
anti-American organizations, right. In addition to anti-Israel, the primarily anti-American
00:34:00.560
organization. Well, and they see it as connected. So I, I remember, uh, your analysis from this work
00:34:07.420
we had done a couple of years ago, and I had actually tweeted, I said, Oh, don't be surprised
00:34:11.640
when you see BLM come out in support of Hamas. And they did the same. They did exactly that the very
00:34:17.120
next day. And Lee, isn't it the same type of rhetoric that we hear from Hamas, from the Hezbollah,
00:34:22.660
these groups talking about colonization colonizers, isn't that the same type of rhetoric that they push
00:34:28.560
within the BLM community? This was one of the purposes of the Iran nuclear deal,
00:34:34.620
uh, Barack Obama's Iran nuclear deal, which Joe Biden has came to restore. The purpose of it was,
00:34:41.460
was to push, uh, was to push Jewish Democrats out of, uh, out of, out of positions, uh, of power
00:34:49.400
and the democratic party. Right. So, I mean, I mean, these are basically centrist and to replace them
00:34:54.960
with people like BLM, with activists, with the squad, right? With Russia, the play with AOC,
00:35:02.340
with Ilhan Omar. This is one of the purposes. Why? Because it would discuss centrist Democrats so
00:35:08.860
much. The idea that Barack Obama, that the United States was going to legalize the nuclear weapons
00:35:15.020
program of a terror state. So, I mean, these things are supposed to move in parallel. That's who Barack
00:35:21.320
Obama intended to empower domestically. The characters from BLM, the squad, Antifa, right?
00:35:29.740
And the, and the characters that he intended to empower abroad were Hamas or Hezbollah, the Islamic
00:35:35.840
Republic of Iran. So, these things were designed to move in tandem. So, again, that all of these people
00:35:41.740
feel empowered right now and thrilled by the sight of Israeli blood, uh, by, by, by, by, by horrific,
00:35:50.800
horrific crimes. They're salivating and drooling at that. Remember, this is purposeful. Barack Obama
00:35:58.020
intended to prioritize them, to make them the power core of the democratic party and abroad to give them
00:36:07.600
power over the Middle East. And that's really interesting because it was, again, of course, in that
00:36:14.720
same second Obama, second term of Obama, that you also saw the rise of BLM with the flames, the flames
00:36:21.700
of which were quietly, and in some cases, very openly and loudly, uh, inflamed by the very same Obama
00:36:28.100
administration. So, what you're saying is that this wasn't some, some accident. This wasn't some, uh, some
00:36:34.160
goof up. This was actually the policy of the Obama administration that we're now seeing live live
00:36:40.680
in front of our eyes. Yes, 100%. This was the plan to unleash these forces of violence, both, uh, you
00:36:49.120
know, both here, both here and abroad. And I want to say it's a very important thing, Jack, because,
00:36:53.320
you know, like, uh, we're all out there on social media and checking different things out. And, you know,
00:36:58.200
I, I think, I think it's fine for, I mean, you know, I'm obviously very pro-Israel, uh, and I
00:37:04.160
think it's fine if people aren't or, or whatever, but I just want to say that this, I'm not saying
00:37:09.820
that Israel fight, Israel's fight is ours, right? That's what a lot of people were saying about the
00:37:15.120
democracy agenda, the botched and, and, and moronic democracy agenda in the Middle East. That's not what
00:37:21.520
I'm saying. I'm saying it's important for us to step aside and see that these things are connected,
00:37:27.660
right? A lot of people are looking at it. And again, I get it because people have been, because
00:37:31.660
we've been targeted, right? For what seems like it's since 2016, starting with Russiagate and then
00:37:38.160
everything from COVID mandates and, and mask mandates and, and, and January 6th and all this
00:37:46.500
garbage, all the psyops, the, the, the, the tens of billions of dollars that have gone to Volodymyr
00:37:52.240
Zelensky. I get why people look at this and say, this smells awfully fishy to me.
00:37:57.660
But I want to say one thing, which I think is very important. The communications architecture
00:38:03.800
that is being used to push all these information operations on the American public was first built
00:38:11.240
by Barack Obama in 2014 to sell the Iran nuclear deal, right? Israel is not part of the psyop.
00:38:19.800
Israel is a target of the psyop as is the American public. So I think it's very important for people
00:38:27.300
to understand and to remember what the Iran deal was like. Obama and Obama and his aides Ben Rhodes
00:38:34.200
at the top of the list lied about it. They said, Oh no, no, this is going to stop Iran from getting
00:38:38.900
a bomb. But just a cursory glance at that agreement, the Iran nuclear agreement showed that was a lie,
00:38:45.700
right? What it was meant to do was to legalize it, legalize the bomb.
00:38:51.840
What, what did, uh, and what did Ben Rhodes famously say about this communications apparatus
00:38:56.960
when he discussed, um, his, uh, his dealings or his management, shall we say of journalists?
00:39:03.060
Right. He said that, well, I can't remember. These are 23 year olds who know nothing about the world at
00:39:07.260
all, except, you know, one of the things that's kind of interesting, if you look at Russiagate and if
00:39:11.940
you look at how they sold the Iran deal, they used veterans, right? They used people like Tom
00:39:16.680
Friedman, Jeffrey Goldberg at the Atlantic. So it wasn't just 23 year olds. Michael Isikoff. Yes.
00:39:22.740
Michael Isikoff, David Ignatius, look at the people that used to sell it. So I think it's very
00:39:28.140
important for people to understand actually what the communications architecture looks like and how
00:39:33.640
this was built. Again, I understand why people look like, is this, is this just the next current thing?
00:39:39.440
Um, it's important for us to look at this clearly and see how the sides are drawn, right?
00:39:45.420
But Barack Obama and Joe Biden have taken a position against the U S public, just as they've
00:39:52.660
taken a position against the government of Israel. Again, people don't have to like Israel. They can be
00:39:59.220
contemptuous. They can hate it, whatever. I just want people to see the layout of this, what's actually
00:40:06.700
going on here and how this is a part, right? How this is a part of the communications architecture
00:40:13.460
first built by Barack Obama and now employed by Joe Biden.
00:40:18.620
Lee, I think that's exactly right. And we can see the media when, when NBC's chief disinformation
00:40:24.440
reporter, sweaty Ben Collins, we call him sweaty Ben around here. We keep, I keep offering him by the
00:40:29.960
way to, uh, to buy the, my pillow pack of the, the six, you know, the six piece towels, so he can wipe
00:40:34.860
the sweat off of his forehead. He goes all in on whatever narrative the New York times is pushing,
00:40:39.680
which ends up having to have their headline changed three times in one day. Lee, imagine if you or I had
00:40:46.720
to change our headline three times in one day, we'd be demonetized and censored, you know, blamed an
00:40:51.940
attack on a hospital and on all this. When, when at the time they had no idea they had no, it turns out
00:40:56.860
it was the parking lot. It wasn't actually the hospital. Uh, we're coming up on a break. I'd love to be
00:41:00.940
able to hold you a lead because this is an important day and people need to understand it's not
00:41:05.460
hypocrisy. It's hierarchy. These people don't care if you point out the double standards because they are
00:41:12.140
operating off of a playbook and agenda. And you know, who's got a copy of that playbook? Lee Smith. He's here
00:41:21.920
I'm always listening to human events with Jack Posobiec.
00:41:24.520
All right. Jack Posobiec back live human events daily, Washington DC. We're on the phone with
00:41:31.080
Lee Smith, the author of the plot against the president Lee in that book, that documentary
00:41:36.280
plot against the president, you focused on the U S intelligence community extensively. I previously
00:41:42.160
served in the U S intelligence community for about eight years, but you had an interesting piece
00:41:46.000
in tablet magazine this week, talking about the fact that, you know, we've talked about the Intel
00:41:50.460
failures of the IDF. We've talked about the fact that Egyptian intelligence supposedly warned Israel
00:41:56.700
about this. We're not sure what happened in, in the shakeup there, but you asked the question,
00:42:01.500
what did U S intelligence know? And why is no one asking about this?
00:42:06.460
Yeah. I mean, I kind of went through all the different stories and you know, if you,
00:42:10.620
if you look at the way all these stories were pushed into the U S press, I mean, it's astonishing
00:42:15.980
because you see a lot of the people who were pushing Russia gate stories, whether this was,
00:42:20.860
uh, Natasha Bertrand, uh, CNN, whether this was Ken Delaney at NBC. I mean, anyone who's following
00:42:28.500
Russia gate will recognize these names, that these were some of the, you know, some of the biggest
00:42:33.060
creeps out there pushing the collusion story. So here they are, they're pushing all this stuff
00:42:38.080
about what the U S intelligence community, uh, told the Israelis, how, how they warned the Israelis
00:42:44.640
or someone warned the Israelis and none of it adds up. Right. I mean, uh, first of all, the,
00:42:50.160
the Egyptian story, I'm, I mean, the United States gives the, gives the, uh, Egyptians $2 billion a
00:42:56.460
year. I mean, it's an enormous aid package. And part of that includes all sorts of military and
00:43:00.800
intelligence cooperation. So I'm awfully skeptical of the idea that the Egyptians would have gone to the
00:43:06.580
Israelis without Intel, but they wouldn't have shared it with the Americans. It doesn't make sense.
00:43:11.140
Here's the other thing we have. I mean, the largest, uh, largest, uh, um, military base in the
00:43:17.440
Middle East is in Qatar and Qatar, you know, um, sent calm, uh, uh, Aladev air base. But, uh, I mean,
00:43:25.240
Qatar, that's, we're also the, the head of Hamas, Ismail Henia lives. So we didn't have access to
00:43:30.960
anything he was doing there. And this is keeping in mind the fact that the NSA basically collects
00:43:36.360
on everyone in the world, but somehow this is something that we went, something we had nothing
00:43:41.100
on and same with Lebanon. I mean, we, we pour $72 billion a year into Lebanon, the Lebanese armed
00:43:47.480
forces into the internal security forces. And this is where they plan the operation. This is where the
00:43:53.460
Iranians plan the operation in Lebanon and in Syria, but still the United States had nothing on it.
00:43:59.140
Look, obviously the Israelis are to blame, primarily to blame, and they're going to pay,
00:44:03.880
they've already paid a very heavy price. 1400, 1400 Israelis are dead. The people who are responsible
00:44:10.320
for this failure will go down in history as, as, as, you know, I mean, I, I, I, can you imagine
00:44:16.500
having that on your conscience, nevermind on your tombstone? I mean, it's terrible. So they're going
00:44:21.920
to pay a heavy price in addition to the price they've already paid in blood. But the idea that somehow,
00:44:27.240
yeah, the U S had nothing to do with it. They didn't know anything that was going on.
00:44:30.920
That's absolutely nonsense. And that's what all these stories were for. All these stories were
00:44:35.040
pushed to, uh, to first to cover for all of the U S failures and not just to cover for the U S failures.
00:44:43.380
Look, I'm the, the, the evidence points to the, the evidence points pretty strongly to the fact that
00:44:48.800
the United States knew something was going on and they didn't share it with the Israelis.
00:44:52.520
Now, I don't think the Americans, I don't think anyone had any, had any idea how bad this was
00:44:58.000
going to be the scope or the character of this vicious assault. But it seems to me, the United
00:45:03.680
States, again, given the number of the store, given the number of stories that came out, given
00:45:08.220
how laughably absurd they are and given them and given how all of them are, are competing with each
00:45:13.840
other. It seems to me that there are a lot of people, uh, across agencies and offices across the
00:45:20.100
beltway who were, who are worried that something's going to come out scribing or, or giving evidence
00:45:25.920
of their, um, of the fact that they knew what was happening, or they had some inkling of what was
00:45:35.220
You know, and, and Lee, that, that is a huge, a huge consideration. And now I'll put it this way.
00:45:40.720
What's your assessment on that? Do you think that this was, and some people said it's malicious.
00:45:44.660
Some people have said it was incompetence. Others have pointed to the dysfunction within, uh, the
00:45:50.420
IDF within Israel politically, of course, that's spilling out into the IDF. And in fact, 60 Minutes
00:45:55.480
did a whole piece on that just about three weeks before this attack took place, talking about the
00:45:59.820
readiness of the IDF and many reservists, uh, leaving their posts and actually resigning in protest
00:46:05.540
of Netanyahu and some of the internal domestic politics, this judicial reform package he was pushing.
00:46:10.980
Uh, but at the same time, when it comes to our us Intel, I mean, the thing that really strikes to
00:46:16.020
me would be that they are just so focused on Ukraine right now that we don't actually have
00:46:22.260
the ability and the resources that are being sent to every everything else. And that's why,
00:46:27.380
of course, that Hamas and Iran and these other actors, of course, took advantage of that.
00:46:33.540
Well, I mean, I mean, they're also focused on, on, uh, on Catholics. They're focused on
00:46:39.540
Yes, of course. Right. They're focused on the school parents. And those of us,
00:46:44.020
those of us Catholics that like to, to pray in Latin. Right. Right. So this is a, this is,
00:46:49.380
this is one of their priorities. Now they had, they had it, they knew what was going on. The
00:46:54.740
issue is though the fundamentalist look, I mean, I reported previously on, um, you know, there's a
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spy at the Pentagon. There's an, there's, there's a member of an Iranian spy ring at the Pentagon who
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was pushed into the U S government by Biden, uh, by Biden. And before that, Obama's Iran on,
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but Robert Malley pushed an Iranian operative named Arianna Tabatabai first into the state
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department. And now she's at BOD. What does she do at the defense department? Funny you should ask.
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She's the chief of staff for the assistant secretary of defense for special operations.
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Astonishing, isn't it? But that's, what's going on. They do not perceive Iran to be an adversary.
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They look at Iran as a prospective partner. So they, they, they, they knew a lot of what was
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going on. They're, they, of course they collect on Iran. Of course they know what's going on.
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They just don't think the Iranians are that big of a problem right now. They have other priorities.
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Again, like, like, like Jack DeSilvić, they're worried. Right, right, right. But, well,
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Lee, you're actually, you're putting out something here that that's important. And I wanted to,
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I was looking down before because I was picking up my, my rosary, my, my large size rosary that we
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keep right next to the desk. And I've got the small one over there. That's, that's my, that's my standby,
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just in case you need a sidearm, just in case you need your side piece. But you're actually saying
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that, and we only have about a minute left, but you're actually saying that the Biden administration
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deprioritized what Iran might be up to because they're trying to build relations with Iran.
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That's a huge deal. That's what you're saying is they could have actually picked up these
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indicators of planning, but then de-prioritized it because of political agendas from the White
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House. Yes, exactly right. They proceed as Barack Obama did. They perceive the Iranians to be a
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prospective partner. They want to get the Iran deal back on course. Look, I want to point something else
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out. And maybe you, you, you've been talking about it real quickly. We just got 30 seconds left.
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There had been 2009, 2012, 2014, 2021, and now five Hamas-Israel conflicts. Guess when none of them
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happened? During President Donald Trump's administration, right? There's something,
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there's a problem going on with the Obama faction. Why does Hamas make a run at our Israel allies then,
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and they never did anything. When Donald Trump is in office, I think.