Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - EPISODE 623： TRUMP AND THE GATHERING OF THE MACEDONIANS

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00:00:52.660 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:01:00.980 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:01:12.120 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:01:15.100 Deliver us from evil.

00:01:16.760 Affiliated with China's People's Liberation Army have infiltrated critical services here in the U.S.

00:01:22.720 This infiltration appears to be part of a broader effort to insert chaos into our logistical systems.

00:01:27.780 The information collected could then be weaponized if the U.S. and China were to become engaged directly in the Pacific.

00:01:33.620 An independent bank auditor, basically a watchdog within the bank, J.P. Morgan, Wells Fargo, people who just work there, that's what they do every day for a job.

00:01:40.340 They flagged payments from China to Hunter a number of times, saying they were suspicious, that they didn't match up for potential services that were offered.

00:01:50.200 In fact, there was one internal bank employee that even flagged something as possible human trafficking payments.

00:01:56.240 These are not the photographs or video from last week's migrant crossing.

00:02:01.040 This is today.

00:02:01.740 This is right now live happening.

00:02:03.160 Baker today in The New York Times, he said that I want to be a dictator.

00:02:10.140 I didn't say that.

00:02:11.100 I said I want to be a dictator for one day.

00:02:13.500 But The New York Times said, and you know why I wanted to be a dictator?

00:02:17.520 Because I want a wall, right?

00:02:19.960 I want a wall, and I want to drill, drill, drill.

00:02:22.800 The X platform will aspire to be as neutral as possible, and to be as open and transparent as possible, I think we will achieve maximum transparency.

00:02:38.660 I think we'll be fully transparent, hopefully by early next year.

00:02:43.340 I'm confident we'll be fully transparent by the time there is an election next year.

00:02:50.200 So basically people will just see anything that is happening on the system, and nothing will be hidden.

00:02:55.800 That is the goal.

00:02:56.560 If those agencies, though, the FBI, the DHS, et cetera, if they reach out to X, I believe they called it defensive briefings in 2020, if they started reaching out again, would that be something that you would consider making public?

00:03:09.500 We will be as transparent as possible, and frankly, if I think a government agency is breaking the law in their demands on the platform, I would be prepared to go to prison personally if I think they are the ones breaking the law.

00:03:27.700 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily, live from Washington, D.C.

00:03:32.860 Today is December 11, 2023, Anno Domini.

00:03:36.340 You just heard me there, impromptu interview yesterday on the X platform with Elon Musk, the CEO of X.com, asking him directly, if the FBI comes to you and asks you to censor legal content, legal content, what would you do?

00:03:55.660 He first told me that he would fight it in court, and then he said he would be transparent about it.

00:03:59.560 And I said, well, how transparent?

00:04:00.940 Would you be willing to fight?

00:04:01.980 Would you tell us what's actually going on?

00:04:03.900 And Elon Musk gave me that answer right there.

00:04:06.340 Exclusively, that he would be willing to personally go to prison rather than take down legal content in the middle of a contentious election.

00:04:19.000 Because that's what they did to us when we broke the Hunter Biden laptop in October of 2020.

00:04:26.440 Remember, we had the story.

00:04:27.960 We had the hard drive.

00:04:28.780 Bannon gets it, gives it to the war room.

00:04:31.200 We send it over to the New York Post.

00:04:32.780 They write up the story, and then boom, it gets censored everywhere.

00:04:37.400 It gets taken down.

00:04:39.800 So if they don't have the ability to control the process of information anymore,

00:04:47.440 if they don't have the ability to control the distribution of information,

00:04:51.880 and we have the ability to speak and think freely and present true information,

00:04:57.500 the richest man in the world willing to go to jail in the name of the truth.

00:05:04.080 And Elon said it to me directly.

00:05:09.420 Look, folks, I'm on a Ukrainian hit list.

00:05:12.220 And the head of Ukraine is now here addressing the U.S. military.

00:05:15.480 We're going to talk about that later with Tony Schaefer.

00:05:17.780 Gavin Wax is here as well.

00:05:18.960 We're going to talk about Trump and the meeting of the Macedonians in New York this weekend.

00:05:24.740 But you know what?

00:05:26.560 Every day, I get up, I do the work.

00:05:30.980 I go to work, I do the work.

00:05:33.340 You've got President Trump.

00:05:34.520 He's fighting for his life on four separate trials.

00:05:38.560 And don't think for a second that this regime would not be willing to take him out with a bullet if they had to.

00:05:48.160 That's why his security over the next 10 months needs to be absolutely paramount.

00:05:55.400 Because they will try to take him out one way or the other.

00:06:00.540 And that is why we talk about these things.

00:06:02.300 So you want to talk about sacrifice?

00:06:04.460 You want to talk about standing up and fighting?

00:06:06.500 What are you willing to sacrifice?

00:06:08.720 What are you willing to walk towards?

00:06:11.600 The same way that President Trump was willing to take down the Bush dynasty and the Clinton dynasty.

00:06:17.080 And he didn't need to do any of this.

00:06:19.860 But he did.

00:06:21.280 And he did it because he cares about our country.

00:06:24.200 He cares about our people.

00:06:25.660 He cares about our future.

00:06:28.140 Regardless of what the consequences for himself are, he's willing to walk into that fire.

00:06:34.600 Are you willing to do that?

00:06:36.000 Are you willing to be there?

00:06:37.260 Are you going to stand up and be listed?

00:06:39.940 Are you going to have your name be put on those scrolls?

00:06:42.800 Because I'm telling you, the time for choosing is rapidly approaching.

00:06:48.380 Gavin Wax joins us next.

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00:07:27.200 Look, I'm going to tell you two folks.

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00:08:53.560 that was second to none.

00:08:55.260 And this was the soiree, the black-tie soiree, that turned into something a little bit more than just all that.

00:09:02.800 In New York City, this last weekend, myself, Tanya Tay attended.

00:09:08.180 President Donald Trump was there.

00:09:09.720 Steve Bannon, Raheem Kassam.

00:09:11.780 All the top names, all the top generals, the top lieutenants.

00:09:16.020 And the man who put it all together joins us now, Gavin Wax, the president of the New York Young Republican Club.

00:09:21.960 Gavin, how did it feel to be up there that night?

00:09:25.140 Oh, it was electric.

00:09:26.380 It was probably going to go down in history as an event for the books.

00:09:31.860 And I was just an honor to be a part of it all.

00:09:34.940 And the crowd was wild.

00:09:36.600 The energy was wild.

00:09:37.900 The vibes were amazing.

00:09:39.600 You know, the orchestral music in the background, the light show, you know, President Trump, you know,

00:09:44.820 entering into a thousand-plus people in the largest ballroom in the city of New York to, you know,

00:09:50.500 address the crowd and eat and dine with us.

00:09:53.040 I mean, you really can't get much better than this.

00:09:55.580 I think as far as conservative events go, as far as Republican events go, I mean, this set the bar in terms of the quality.

00:10:02.240 Gavin, that ballroom, Cipriani's, you mentioned something on stage that this played a very pivotal role in the 2016 election, did it not?

00:10:12.520 Absolutely.

00:10:13.200 This was the site of the infamous basket of deplorables comment from Hillary Rodham Clinton at the very stage that Trump spoke on,

00:10:21.660 that I spoke on, in the very ballroom we were all gathered in.

00:10:24.480 And that's where she addressed her own thousand supporters and made that comment about them being, 0.77

00:10:31.140 about Trump supporters all being deplorables or half of them fitting in this basket of deplorables.

00:10:35.540 So I think it was great.

00:10:36.520 We were reconquering, you know, sacred ground for Clinton, for the Clinton campaign, for the left, for the institutional left, the Dems.

00:10:44.420 We came to their home turf.

00:10:46.300 We were in New York City.

00:10:47.460 In a way, we were in a venue that they have used pretty often, and we made our own voices be heard as the deplorables we are.

00:10:53.800 So I'm sure she was not too thrilled to see it, if she did see it.

00:10:56.960 But we have defiled their temple.

00:11:00.600 We have taken their temple, and we have rechristened it to ours and made in our own image.

00:11:06.300 It's symbolic because their world is dying, where our world is just beginning.

00:11:12.000 And look, I said this on War Room this morning when you and I were both on,

00:11:14.560 but, you know, when Alexander, right before the invasion of Persia,

00:11:20.600 he held a massive banquet for all of his generals, all of his lieutenants.

00:11:25.240 He brought all of the Macedonians together.

00:11:27.780 And it's written, and Homer and others wrote, that Alexander said,

00:11:32.780 tonight we dine, tomorrow we march.

00:11:36.440 And that's exactly how I felt that night, that this was the final gathering.

00:11:42.640 And you could tell that President Trump felt that way when he got up there.

00:11:46.660 He knew Alex Stein, Rudy Giuliani.

00:11:50.540 I'll never be able to get all the names, right?

00:11:52.100 I'll never be able to point out.

00:11:53.440 But everyone who was a major force in this movement who understands that this is a movement

00:11:59.080 for taking back our country, and then I spoke with Elon Musk yesterday about how this is really

00:12:03.900 a movement to actually advance and expand the human race itself through actual advancement

00:12:10.620 of our civilization into a multi-planetary species that we need to get back on track.

00:12:15.840 Who better to do that, by the way, than the man who founded the space force itself?

00:12:20.200 And Gavin, there's a question, though, that Governor DeSantis brought up last night.

00:12:28.000 And Trump made this, you know, he told an anecdote of what it was like going up against

00:12:33.360 the Clintons and the threat that he faced in doing so.

00:12:37.720 And a general had said to him that, you know, this is braver than anything I've ever seen,

00:12:43.580 and I've been in combat, is basically what the anecdote was. 0.97

00:12:46.220 And Governor DeSantis claims that Trump is a coward, and he claims that Trump is just 0.61

00:12:52.880 doing this out of, I don't know, ego and pride and all of this.

00:12:57.760 Does he not understand the sacrifices that Trump is making in order to do this?

00:13:02.180 And by the way, this was the very content of your speech itself when you introduced him.

00:13:07.040 Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:08.720 I mean, listen, I think DeSantis and his supporters and his surrogates, they fall into this camp

00:13:13.640 of literalists.

00:13:14.800 I mean, they take everything Trump says literally.

00:13:16.520 He'd be talking in anecdotes, he'd be talking lightly off the cuff, making a joke, and they

00:13:21.520 screech like leftists.

00:13:22.920 They screech like leftists, and they make all these sort of literalists type of analysis

00:13:27.100 and dissect things that President Trump said.

00:13:29.580 But then they also ignore the most obvious truths, the most obvious things that are in

00:13:33.620 front of us, which is the fact that President Trump did sacrifice quite a good life that

00:13:37.920 he had to fight for us, and that his whole life has changed.

00:13:41.380 And now he's under immense pressure.

00:13:43.200 He's facing jail time, being thrown behind bars for fighting for us and enacting on his

00:13:48.660 electoral mandate.

00:13:49.840 And Ron DeSantis then takes Lincoln Project-style talking points to attack him.

00:13:55.900 It's sick.

00:13:56.860 It's messed up.

00:13:57.820 There were plenty of veterans in the audience.

00:13:59.320 There were plenty of people who have served, including yourself.

00:14:01.440 And I don't think anyone, and you correct me if I'm wrong, took anything that the president

00:14:06.440 said to be insulting.

00:14:07.500 They took it exactly how he meant it.

00:14:09.080 It was an anecdote, and he was talking off the cuff, and he was speaking to people at

00:14:13.420 their levels, speaking to them one-on-one almost.

00:14:16.160 That's why people love him, because he's authentic.

00:14:18.180 He's willing just to talk from the heart.

00:14:20.020 He's not this orchestrated, consultant-driven, consultant-approved candidate.

00:14:25.440 No, you're exactly right.

00:14:26.540 And obviously, I see this as a veteran.

00:14:29.100 I was there with that.

00:14:29.820 No person in the room took it the way that Ron DeSantis took it, right?

00:14:34.260 And that's maybe probably why Ron DeSantis wasn't in the room himself, okay?

00:14:39.520 Because he doesn't understand how any of this works and doesn't understand that he would

00:14:43.520 not be governor were it not for the grace of President Donald John Trump putting him

00:14:49.160 in that governor's office, and those of us, by the way, that fought for his election to

00:14:56.680 be certified when Broward County was trying to steal it in 2018.

00:15:00.820 I think he forgets that it was MAGA that showed up to fight that steal that was going on in

00:15:06.340 Broward County in November of 2018.

00:15:08.440 It wasn't the neocons.

00:15:10.240 It wasn't Con Inc.

00:15:11.060 It wasn't Fox News.

00:15:12.140 It was MAGA.

00:15:12.960 It was us.

00:15:14.120 And many of the people that he has denigrated now were the very ones who made sure to ensure 1.00

00:15:19.480 his victory at that point.

00:15:20.820 But there's something else here, Gavin.

00:15:22.540 And it's, I think they don't understand the concept of bravery.

00:15:27.560 They don't understand what the odds are.

00:15:29.920 They continually, continually downplay President Trump's bravery because we all know, and I

00:15:37.000 said in the opening today, they don't just threaten him with jail time.

00:15:41.560 He's being threatened with physical violence.

00:15:44.940 They want to personally take him out with a bullet if they could.

00:15:48.740 They'd be more than happy if someone went full Lee Harvey Oswald or let's just say full 0.95

00:15:54.320 Dallas, okay, full Dallas on President Trump.

00:16:00.220 The idea to say that he's not brave for doing what he's doing, I think, is completely infuriating.

00:16:06.560 These people think that it's 2012 and they discount and possibly don't even understand

00:16:10.340 the very concept of bravery because they've never felt it in their entire lives.

00:16:14.880 Well, absolutely.

00:16:15.960 I fully agree with you.

00:16:16.700 I mean, it's coming to the point now that the indictments aren't working, the civil suits

00:16:20.300 aren't working, you know, the media lies have never worked.

00:16:23.440 And, you know, it makes you think what is next in the cards.

00:16:26.740 And I think, you know, working with Secret Service for this event, being in the heart

00:16:29.480 of Manhattan, the heart of New York City, a thousand people there.

00:16:32.380 I mean, it's certainly on the mind of everybody.

00:16:34.320 Something could have, something terrible could have gone wrong.

00:16:36.320 And he walked into a room, he sat down in a crowd of a thousand people for dinner.

00:16:41.280 I mean, you know, in New York City.

00:16:42.960 So I give him a lot of props for that.

00:16:44.600 He could have came and went, he could have rushed the stage and rushed right off.

00:16:47.840 No, he sat down.

00:16:49.140 He shook hands.

00:16:50.200 He worked the room.

00:16:51.260 He had dinner with us.

00:16:53.140 He had dinner with us.

00:16:54.180 Yeah.

00:16:54.400 And I get everything you're saying.

00:16:56.380 I think the Ron DeSantis camp, they don't understand bravery.

00:16:59.360 And bravery also means taking political, political bravery.

00:17:02.600 It is unthinkable to them.

00:17:04.440 Actual bravery is unthinkable to them.

00:17:07.280 It is unfathomable to them.

00:17:10.000 They have never taken a political stance.

00:17:11.980 To stand up for something.

00:17:14.120 They couldn't, they couldn't do it.

00:17:14.940 They've never taken a political stance that wasn't already, you know, hitting the popularity

00:17:19.120 sort of curve in the polling numbers.

00:17:21.500 I mean, President Trump has been consistently talking about the denigration of this country,

00:17:25.780 about the decline of this country, going back to the 80s and even 70s when things were generally

00:17:29.780 pretty good.

00:17:30.320 He was talking about the trade imbalances then.

00:17:32.240 He was talking about getting ripped off.

00:17:33.620 He was talking about how we spend money overseas on other countries' defense, get nothing in

00:17:37.200 return.

00:17:37.820 He was talking about a whole litany of issues that he still talks about today.

00:17:41.280 And it wasn't popular to talk about it 30 years ago.

00:17:43.300 People probably would have looked at him like he was crazy when he brought up a lot of these

00:17:46.440 topics because back then it wasn't really in vogue.

00:17:49.500 And Ron DeSantis has never been ahead of any issue.

00:17:51.620 Ron DeSantis chases everything that President Trump has either started to talk about or

00:17:55.800 in office.

00:17:55.960 Well, Gavin, to throw it out there right before we go to the break here, you know what else

00:17:59.240 is bravery?

00:18:00.020 Bravery is when I remember when you called me up when President Trump was indicted and

00:18:04.960 said, Jack, I'm putting together a protest.

00:18:07.460 We are going to be out there in front of the Manhattan courthouse.

00:18:10.400 Do you want to come?

00:18:11.960 And everybody said we shouldn't go.

00:18:14.160 Everybody said they were going to take a shot at us.

00:18:16.400 Everybody said it's going to be mayhem because there had not been a public display like

00:18:20.840 that for Donald Trump outside of the rallies since January 6th.

00:18:24.480 And they said everything was going to happen to us.

00:18:26.400 And you know what?

00:18:27.600 We showed up.

00:18:29.380 And nothing happened.

00:18:30.540 We made our voices be heard.

00:18:32.040 The president remembers.

00:18:33.120 The president respects it.

00:18:34.160 And I think that was one of the main reasons that the president showed up to our gala this

00:18:37.560 Sunday.

00:18:38.840 The concept of loyalty and the concept of bravery.

00:18:42.580 These are fundamental concepts that have been completely lost to the con ink, to the conservative

00:18:49.120 establishment, the Republican leadership.

00:18:51.680 And so we will be forced.

00:18:53.160 We find ourselves forced to restore them to the American body public the same way that 0.98

00:18:58.880 we will restore our nation.

00:19:00.820 Gavin Wax is our guest.

00:19:02.220 We are continuing this interview in just a few moments here.

00:19:04.400 Human Events Daily continues.

00:19:05.360 You know, they talk about influences.

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00:19:24.140 Ladies and gentlemen, Human Events Daily, Jack Prasovic back live on Washington, D.C.

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00:20:36.760 Gavin, and again, thank you for putting it on.

00:20:39.040 Thank you for making myself and Tanya Tay a huge part of this.

00:20:42.560 But the theme, I think, of the night, other than the incredible optics, other than the

00:20:49.060 incredible music, because the understanding of the gravity, I really do think that the

00:20:53.480 theme of the night was loyalty, was loyalty and then coupled with bravery because our,

00:21:00.020 you know, we didn't realize it, but our bravery apparently was being challenged.

00:21:03.720 So walk us through why is it that bravery and loyalty have been so discounted in the American

00:21:12.100 ruling class establishment and why it is so incumbent on us that we are forced to bring

00:21:19.000 forward these, these essences again.

00:21:23.320 Listen, loyalty is a concept that transcends politics.

00:21:26.400 I think the average Joe Schmo, he understands loyalty.

00:21:29.740 He understands disloyalty.

00:21:31.020 He's felt he or she has felt loyalty, has felt disloyalty, has experienced it at work

00:21:36.400 and personalized the relationships, you name it.

00:21:39.140 It's a concept that anyone can relate to.

00:21:41.460 And I think this shows the brilliance of President Trump that he made a central focus of his re-election

00:21:46.440 campaign and also a central focus of his offenses against his primary opponents, many of whom

00:21:51.180 owe him a great deal.

00:21:53.520 And they should be showing loyalty to him for all the things that he did to make their political

00:21:57.960 careers a success.

00:21:59.040 And many people told President Trump, oh, who cares about this?

00:22:02.640 No one cares about loyalty.

00:22:03.920 This isn't a topic that gets people, you know, riled up.

00:22:06.800 But in fact, it is.

00:22:07.620 It's something that everyone can relate to.

00:22:09.140 And they relate to President Trump in a way that no other politician or elected official

00:22:13.480 has ever been able to generate that sort of relationship between the voter and themselves.

00:22:18.420 President Trump is able to do it.

00:22:19.840 He's been able to personalize his fights.

00:22:21.800 He's been able to personalize, you know, his struggle, his issues, his political, you know,

00:22:27.620 endeavors.

00:22:28.580 And that's why the people love him.

00:22:29.760 That's why they show up to these rallies.

00:22:31.040 That's why they that's why he's up by 60 points in the Republican primary.

00:22:34.140 That's why he's up in all these swing states by close to double digits.

00:22:37.060 That's why he's probably going to take back the White House, because people understand

00:22:40.920 what he's dealing with. 0.95

00:22:42.360 And they understand that people like Ron DeSantis are snakes. 0.99

00:22:44.920 They understand that people like Nikki Haley are cowards and they're actually disloyal. 0.99

00:22:49.560 And they see right through them. 0.81

00:22:51.020 And that that old mode of politics is dead and dying.

00:22:54.640 People are not going to fall for that schtick and charade anymore.

00:22:57.840 They want authenticity.

00:22:59.000 They want loyalty.

00:22:59.940 They want people who speak from the heart.

00:23:01.340 They want people that speak off the cuff.

00:23:02.760 Maybe they maybe they have a few slip ups.

00:23:04.940 Maybe they read a poem called The Snake.

00:23:07.240 I don't know.

00:23:07.940 But people enjoy it.

00:23:08.920 People like it.

00:23:09.780 They do not like the over orchestrated, you know, over practiced, you know, consultant

00:23:14.920 driven Ron DeSantis.

00:23:16.160 They're sick of it.

00:23:17.040 It's dry.

00:23:17.700 It's dead.

00:23:18.380 It's just not going to work anymore.

00:23:20.520 It's it's there's and there's also the ultimate loyalty.

00:23:24.100 The ultimate loyalty of all of any leader is loyalty to the people, loyalty to the American

00:23:32.020 people.

00:23:32.520 And we would not be in this situation.

00:23:34.700 And President Trump would be sitting down at Mar-a-Lago hanging out with Melania if we

00:23:39.540 were not in the situation where the government we were living under a government with a uniparty 0.88

00:23:44.860 that stopped being loyal to the American people.

00:23:49.180 And now we are forced.

00:23:51.500 We are forced to retake that government and we are forced to come into power.

00:23:56.300 And we are will be forced to go into Washington, D.C. and go into the swamp and go into the

00:24:02.060 deep state.

00:24:02.800 And we will take every single one of these individuals and hold them accountable and teaches

00:24:08.740 them, teach them what happens when they are disloyal to the American people.

00:24:14.460 We will teach them what happens when you do not put America first.

00:24:19.760 We will teach you that this is not something that we want to do.

00:24:24.260 This is not something that we are desiring to do.

00:24:28.260 I would much rather be doing other things with my time, but I will not sit back and let my

00:24:34.440 country be controlled by these disloyal snakes for a second longer.

00:24:39.420 That is why we are doing these things.

00:24:41.740 And I think they don't understand it.

00:24:43.360 And this is why when you talk to a DeSantis type and they don't understand what you look

00:24:50.180 at the Des Moines Register poll this morning, Des Moines, this is the gold standard of gold

00:24:54.340 standard polls.

00:24:54.980 There's no tie to Donald Trump.

00:24:57.220 They understand Iowa better than anyone on the face of the planet.

00:25:01.860 They just said that Donald Trump is up over 50 percent in the Iowa primary.

00:25:06.920 Right.

00:25:07.220 And why would right on paper?

00:25:09.160 It makes no sense.

00:25:09.900 Why would a New York billionaire, right, be a guy who's the favored of the of the, you

00:25:16.420 know, the evangelicals and the social conservatives and the farmers?

00:25:19.400 And it's quite simple because he's loyal to them because he fought for them against communist

00:25:24.200 China.

00:25:24.620 He got them into the trade deals.

00:25:26.180 It's just loyalty.

00:25:28.360 Gavin, why don't they see it?

00:25:30.620 Listen, I think these are people that have been, you know, bred in an environment of political,

00:25:36.000 you know, backstack.

00:25:37.920 They've been taught their entire lives.

00:25:39.500 These are people that don't come from the private sector.

00:25:41.320 They don't come from the real world.

00:25:42.440 They come from this sort of feeder system, this junior league political hierarchy where

00:25:47.200 they move up to the next level by backstabbing the guy that was in front of them.

00:25:51.060 And they just do that repeatedly until they finally make it to an elected office.

00:25:54.060 And then they get there and they finally realize, wait, all this Machiavellian backstabbing

00:25:59.320 and betrayals and disloyalty and dishonesty and all these traits that they used and all

00:26:04.540 these sins that they used to advance themselves don't really play well with the people who

00:26:09.440 now have a front and center stage to really observe them, to really understand them in

00:26:13.880 a way that we never had before.

00:26:14.900 We've talked about this, you know, radio versus television.

00:26:17.360 Now there's not social media.

00:26:18.740 Now, all of a sudden, all these politicians that were able to hide a lot of their worst

00:26:23.380 flaws and a lot of their worst, you know, character traits, all of a sudden now they're

00:26:26.980 under a magnifying glass because of things like social media.

00:26:29.820 And people see right through them now and they don't relate to them and they don't, they

00:26:33.260 don't particularly care for them.

00:26:34.400 And they will take the New York billionaire any day because he's not trying to pretend

00:26:38.380 to be anything he's not.

00:26:39.820 He is a New York billionaire.

00:26:41.560 That's who he is.

00:26:42.680 That's what he, that's what he presents himself as.

00:26:45.120 He's not trying to pretend he's one of you.

00:26:47.080 He's not trying to wear cowboy boots and pretend he's a cowboy.

00:26:50.000 He's just trying to tell you, this is who I am.

00:26:52.380 This is what I believe.

00:26:53.520 This is what I'm going to do for you.

00:26:54.800 End of story.

00:26:55.460 And people love that simple.

00:26:56.920 It's straightforward.

00:26:57.920 It's the best form of politics.

00:26:59.160 And frankly, it's the future of politics.

00:27:01.940 You mentioned that evening that the MAGA movement is a New York movement and that you

00:27:11.020 can't fundamentally understand the MAGA movement unless you understand New York.

00:27:15.780 What did you mean by that?

00:27:17.420 Listen, Trump, President Trump, like myself, is a guy from Queens.

00:27:22.180 You know, he has an outer borough sort of vibe to him.

00:27:24.400 It's very old New York.

00:27:25.840 He calls, you know, he calls it like he sees it.

00:27:28.220 He's blunt.

00:27:29.160 He's direct.

00:27:29.800 You know how he feels.

00:27:30.640 You know what he thinks.

00:27:31.840 You know, he'll be your best friend.

00:27:33.540 He'll be your most loyal friend.

00:27:35.120 He'll always be there for you.

00:27:36.280 But if you're his enemy, he's going to destroy you.

00:27:38.360 He's going to come after you and you're his enemy for life.

00:27:40.600 There's a vendetta.

00:27:41.400 So, you know, that is the kind of guy he is.

00:27:43.480 It's a very New York sort of hustle and bustle New York brawler.

00:27:47.180 That's who he is.

00:27:48.060 And that's the kind of guy we need for this time.

00:27:50.000 We don't need someone who just wants to go along to get along.

00:27:53.020 We need a guy who's going to go in there and, you know, be ready to use his knuckles.

00:27:56.840 We need a we need a bare knuckle boxer right now. 1.00

00:27:59.040 That is the moment.

00:27:59.860 That is the time he is rising to the occasion.

00:28:02.220 I think a man from Queens, a New Yorker is the guy to do it.

00:28:06.140 He's willing to call out these guys.

00:28:08.260 He's willing to fight.

00:28:09.100 He's willing to go on the offensive.

00:28:10.080 And he is not going to be, you know, you know, scared from all from all that's in front of him.

00:28:16.360 He's not shying away from any future fights.

00:28:18.320 And he he knows what he needs to do.

00:28:20.540 He knows the pressure he's under.

00:28:21.840 And he's still able to get on stage, joke, dance, smile like he has no problems in the world.

00:28:27.660 That's not something that can be replicated.

00:28:29.540 That's something that, you know, he was born with, that he grew up with.

00:28:32.120 It took a lifetime to develop through all his experiences.

00:28:35.720 And a typical, you know, run of the mill politician like Ron DeSantis will never have that.

00:28:40.800 He'll never have that character, that force of character, that gusto.

00:28:44.320 He doesn't have that, you know, je ne sais quoi.

00:28:46.720 President Trump has it.

00:28:47.720 He has that presence.

00:28:48.500 You know, when he's sitting next to you at the table, you know, he is the energy.

00:28:51.920 He is the focus.

00:28:52.780 You know, he always brings in the energy.

00:28:55.640 You know, there was another thing that President Trump said that the entire media lost their minds over.

00:29:02.560 And, you know, he mentioned it recently on an interview.

00:29:06.160 With Sean Hannity as well.

00:29:07.540 And Gavin, here's my question, I guess.

00:29:09.440 And I'm not going to ask about the specific rhetoric, you know, that they want to play these games around.

00:29:13.160 But let's be serious for a second.

00:29:15.940 We could solve all the problems in this country in a 24-hour period, couldn't we, Gavin?

00:29:22.200 If we really were allowed to.

00:29:25.140 I fully agree, Jack.

00:29:27.260 And listen, my only criticism of Trump is I think he's undercutting himself.

00:29:31.180 I think he should get at least 72 hours as a dictator.

00:29:33.860 You know, maybe even a week.

00:29:34.800 I think by then he's setting the stage for his whole term in the next generation or so to fix these problems.

00:29:40.440 But all joking aside, I mean, you know, we do need true leadership.

00:29:43.980 We need a person who is able to effectuate his political mandate.

00:29:47.240 He was prevented from doing so by the deep state, by the establishment, by his own party, by Congress, by many people that staff the administration of state.

00:29:57.000 And it's unfortunate.

00:29:58.380 But now I think the infrastructure is there.

00:30:00.540 I think the movement is really coming into its own.

00:30:02.580 It's being fully articulated.

00:30:04.160 The vision is right in front of us.

00:30:06.660 And I think if he takes the reins once again in the White House, we're going to see, you know, an American national renewal like we've never seen before.

00:30:13.320 And that's why they're so scared of him.

00:30:14.760 They know it's coming. 0.98

00:30:16.100 I mean, don't listen to what the DeSantis losers are saying. 0.75

00:30:18.600 Just listen to what the left and the opposition are saying. 0.88

00:30:20.940 They're the ones petrified President Trump.

00:30:22.920 No one is petrified of Ron DeSantis.

00:30:24.860 They know that guy's going to sell out, you know, as fast as soon as he gets into office, if he ever does.

00:30:29.460 And we know he won't.

00:30:30.660 But I'm just speaking hypothetically here for a second, Jack.

00:30:33.120 But, you know, President Trump gets back into office.

00:30:35.380 You know, everyone, everyone is terrified of that because they know what's coming.

00:30:39.700 They know retribution is coming.

00:30:41.300 They know we're going to clean house.

00:30:42.520 They know we're going to bring about, you know, a reversal of the decline, the managed decline of this country that has been going on for generations.

00:30:48.840 And President Trump has been calling that out for many decades.

00:30:51.660 And it's going to be it's going to be Make America Great Again 2.0.

00:30:55.240 And I think it's it's optimistic.

00:30:57.360 The 2016 energy is back in the air, especially after Sunday, after Saturday night.

00:31:02.380 Well, it did go into Sunday.

00:31:03.740 So I guess I could say Saturday and Sunday night.

00:31:06.060 But it was it's here the jingle bells.

00:31:08.700 I mean, that's that is the moment.

00:31:11.420 Gavin Wax, the gathering of the Macedonians.

00:31:15.120 Folks, we can do it all in 24 hours.

00:31:18.420 Give us the power.

00:31:19.300 The answers aren't complicated.

00:31:21.660 They're actually very simple.

00:31:23.720 The solutions are very simple.

00:31:25.300 You may not like it, but I'll tell you right now, we could set it all right.

00:31:29.500 And all it takes is a single day.

00:31:31.780 Stay tuned.

00:31:32.220 Tony Schaefer joins us next.

00:31:33.660 Where is Jack?

00:31:39.300 Where's Jack?

00:31:41.380 Where is he?

00:31:42.680 Jack, I want to see you.

00:31:46.320 Great job, Jack.

00:31:47.760 Thank you.

00:31:48.500 What a job you do.

00:31:49.940 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:31:51.300 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.

00:31:53.620 But we have guys.

00:31:55.040 And these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.

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00:33:11.720 Now, our next guest is Tony Schaefer.

00:33:15.020 We have now this huge situation where a surprise visit to the United States

00:33:21.240 and a surprise visit and address directly to the United States military.

00:33:26.560 Zelensky, President Zelensky of Ukraine,

00:33:29.420 fresh off the heels of going toe-to-toe with Viktor Orban down in Argentina

00:33:34.360 at the inauguration of Miele, which was yesterday.

00:33:38.660 Zelensky then gets into it with Orban.

00:33:40.500 He flies up to D.C., and now he's going to go to our military to call for a wider war with Russia.

00:33:48.420 This is their play, by the way.

00:33:50.260 This is the play to extend the Russia war, to extend this. 0.66

00:33:54.420 They want regime change with Russia. 0.61

00:33:56.420 They want Putin out of power.

00:33:57.660 They want total control and domination over Moscow.

00:34:00.160 That's what the globalists are calling for.

00:34:02.420 And I said this morning on War Room, I'll say it again here, 0.81

00:34:04.980 Zelensky is a dead man walking.

00:34:07.940 Because if he cannot get, if he cannot get the Republicans to come out

00:34:12.660 and drop the opposition to Ukraine aid over the border money,

00:34:19.000 over aid for the border, funding for the border,

00:34:21.000 then Zelensky is a dead man walking.

00:34:22.760 Because the Azov Battalion and the other forces back home, 1.00

00:34:25.720 they say, look, if you can't be our hero, we're going to turn you into our martyr.

00:34:31.480 So I've said, and I'll just say here briefly again,

00:34:33.500 Zelensky, if you want another choice, there's another option.

00:34:37.660 Don't give the address to the U.S. military.

00:34:40.200 March yourself over to Speaker Johnson's office.

00:34:43.440 Come clean about Biden.

00:34:44.740 Come clean about the crime family.

00:34:46.400 Come clean about the Clinton Foundation.

00:34:48.340 Come clean about Burisma. 0.60

00:34:49.460 Come clean about the Trump impeachment hoax.

00:34:51.840 All of the lies.

00:34:53.180 Just come clean, sir.

00:34:54.940 We'll put you in witness protection.

00:34:56.620 Get you a nice track seat.

00:34:58.040 Get you a place down in Brighton Beach, Sunny Isle,

00:35:00.180 if you want to be in Florida, whatever.

00:35:01.740 I don't care.

00:35:03.400 Come clean.

00:35:04.840 And we will give you a path forward.

00:35:08.100 Tony Schaefer, Lieutenant Colonel, is our guest.

00:35:10.520 Tony, if Zelensky goes for this,

00:35:13.460 and even if he does, by the way,

00:35:16.040 the conduct of this war,

00:35:17.740 it seems to me that the ball is not in Kiev's court.

00:35:21.160 It seems like it's in Moscow's court 0.89

00:35:22.640 as we go into this winter.

00:35:24.980 So I want to point out to your audience,

00:35:28.460 our discussion on this has been very clear and steely-eyed.

00:35:32.800 We said for over a year now

00:35:35.040 that Ukrainians just wouldn't win. 0.98

00:35:37.160 They're not going to win.

00:35:37.740 It's not in the numbers.

00:35:38.600 And I said early in the invasion

00:35:41.840 that the Ukrainians would never be able 1.00

00:35:46.120 to stop the ultimate momentum of Russia, 0.70

00:35:49.280 no matter how you want to label with the Russian effort.

00:35:52.640 I'm not here to judge.

00:35:53.760 I'm simply here to analyze.

00:35:55.540 That there's no way that they're going to prevail.

00:35:58.000 And yet you had this overly optimistic,

00:36:00.940 almost magical thinking

00:36:02.660 in every politician in the West.

00:36:04.880 And I think they did it on purpose.

00:36:07.340 I think they just wanted to use Ukraine 1.00

00:36:09.460 to wear down the Russians, 0.99

00:36:11.840 thinking that somehow that would create

00:36:14.040 sufficient political instability in Moscow

00:36:16.300 to throw Putin out.

00:36:17.960 So it didn't work.

00:36:19.360 It's basically the reverse is now occurring.

00:36:23.040 The Russians are back on the offensive. 0.99

00:36:24.760 The discussions in Ukraine today are,

00:36:26.960 how much land do we have to give up

00:36:28.760 to prepare for a cohesive defense

00:36:31.060 against the Russians 0.99

00:36:31.960 regarding their resumption of offensive operations?

00:36:35.080 Everything they gain, Jack, that is Ukraine, 1.00

00:36:37.360 is about to not only be lost,

00:36:39.360 they're going to basically retreat.

00:36:41.500 That is the Ukrainian military.

00:36:43.880 Zelensky can't sustain that.

00:36:45.400 He will not survive a retreat.

00:36:47.220 And yet that's what they're talking about.

00:36:49.380 And so you have this war right now

00:36:52.200 between Zelushny,

00:36:53.260 the current commander of forces,

00:36:55.680 and Zelensky.

00:36:56.900 And you've got Sersky, 0.72

00:36:58.760 one of the generals,

00:36:59.660 colonel generals,

00:37:00.180 who was ostensibly trying to say

00:37:03.440 he did a better job than Zelushny

00:37:05.360 and maybe he's the guy I should take over.

00:37:07.440 But ultimately,

00:37:08.140 the guy that's most surprised.

00:37:09.300 Klitschko, the mayor of Mekiev,

00:37:10.580 is even calling him out.

00:37:12.040 This is a guy, by the way,

00:37:13.060 Klitschko was one of the early participants

00:37:16.660 and members of the Maidan coup.

00:37:18.620 This is a very, very powerful potential rival

00:37:22.460 to him.

00:37:24.680 And he's clearly,

00:37:25.480 what Klitschko is doing to my end,

00:37:27.820 is saying,

00:37:28.280 put me in, coach.

00:37:29.660 That is a message to the West.

00:37:31.280 He's obviously,

00:37:31.880 because of his boxing career,

00:37:32.860 he's very popular with Western audiences.

00:37:35.460 He's saying,

00:37:36.140 I will be your new hero.

00:37:38.160 Get rid of that guy. 1.00

00:37:39.120 Turn him into a martyr. 1.00

00:37:40.240 Put me in.

00:37:41.880 So I think the person

00:37:43.600 who's most surprised

00:37:44.520 about the National Defense University

00:37:46.500 discussion today

00:37:47.260 is probably Zelensky.

00:37:48.220 I don't think he figured

00:37:49.540 that he'd be trying

00:37:50.540 to essentially

00:37:51.480 do a Hail Mary

00:37:53.040 to convince,

00:37:54.500 I think,

00:37:55.620 the core members

00:37:56.560 of the defense community

00:37:57.980 who,

00:37:59.260 I speak to Jack all the time,

00:38:00.920 as people all the time

00:38:01.860 at the Pentagon,

00:38:02.500 Jack,

00:38:02.800 and I think you do too.

00:38:04.540 Nobody believes for a minute

00:38:06.460 that Ukraine 0.91

00:38:08.040 will do anything

00:38:09.220 except have to

00:38:10.300 basically buckle

00:38:11.540 at this point

00:38:12.200 and go into some sort of

00:38:13.180 a planned defense,

00:38:17.580 a planned retreat.

00:38:18.540 That's all they have left.

00:38:20.340 And simply put,

00:38:21.240 and to be honest with you,

00:38:22.260 even if Zelensky

00:38:22.980 got the $61 billion,

00:38:24.720 it's not going to stop

00:38:26.060 ultimately what's happening here.

00:38:27.540 And that's the big thing.

00:38:28.960 Most Republicans I know,

00:38:31.160 all the military members

00:38:32.560 I speak to,

00:38:33.720 all know that $61 billion

00:38:35.200 will go the same way

00:38:36.460 as the $113 billion.

00:38:38.120 And I'm sorry,

00:38:39.440 the idea that we were funding

00:38:41.960 the social constructs,

00:38:45.740 their civil service,

00:38:50.520 paying for businesses

00:38:52.340 to have plays in Kiev,

00:38:54.660 those things were never

00:38:55.500 going to help the military win.

00:38:57.560 And that combined

00:38:58.540 with a lack of strategy,

00:39:01.480 Petraeus,

00:39:02.340 I'm sorry,

00:39:02.840 his wackadoodle,

00:39:04.120 oh,

00:39:04.320 we're going to have

00:39:05.100 a diverse coalition

00:39:06.540 of people train

00:39:07.640 the Ukrainian forces.

00:39:10.140 It's just been insane.

00:39:11.740 And at this point,

00:39:12.520 throwing $61 billion,

00:39:15.140 would you be better off

00:39:16.460 going to Vegas 1.00

00:39:17.200 and betting on hookers 1.00

00:39:19.440 and seeing if you could get 0.97

00:39:22.300 Hunter Biden to come out

00:39:23.480 and show you the ropes in Vegas?

00:39:25.260 Because you'd have a better time

00:39:26.880 with the $61 billion

00:39:27.780 than what would happen

00:39:28.880 if you gave it to Ukraine.

00:39:31.420 Wait,

00:39:31.880 I just want to go back on this

00:39:33.020 because you almost buried

00:39:34.220 the leader for a second.

00:39:35.240 Petraeus said

00:39:36.080 that Zelensky needs

00:39:37.820 a diverse group of trainers.

00:39:39.880 Did he actually say this?

00:39:41.900 No,

00:39:42.160 I'm paraphrasing.

00:39:43.220 What Petraeus did,

00:39:44.540 if you go back,

00:39:45.120 and I do recommend

00:39:45.780 the audience to go back,

00:39:47.100 Petraeus laid out

00:39:48.780 this idea

00:39:50.440 that

00:39:51.220 the whole

00:39:52.800 of NATO

00:39:54.140 had trained,

00:39:55.180 all of NATO

00:39:55.780 had trained

00:39:56.420 all the Ukrainian forces.

00:39:58.840 And he did this.

00:39:59.560 Right.

00:39:59.840 And I think,

00:40:00.340 as I recall,

00:40:01.420 that they sent

00:40:02.300 all the different

00:40:02.960 Ukrainian forces

00:40:03.760 to all the different

00:40:04.580 member nations

00:40:05.200 all over the place.

00:40:06.520 Now,

00:40:06.660 you and I are in the military.

00:40:08.140 There's no,

00:40:08.640 you don't achieve

00:40:10.000 unit cohesion

00:40:11.620 by diversifying

00:40:13.320 your training.

00:40:14.460 That's like saying,

00:40:15.520 hey,

00:40:15.740 we're going to go out

00:40:17.060 and we're all going to

00:40:18.540 go take that mountain

00:40:19.980 and we're going to train

00:40:20.860 people in West Virginia

00:40:22.200 and Vermont.

00:40:24.220 It's the Tower of Babel. 0.97

00:40:25.440 Tony,

00:40:25.740 it's the Tower of Babel.

00:40:27.120 It's the end of the story

00:40:28.120 of the Tower of Babel 0.78

00:40:28.960 where suddenly everybody

00:40:29.980 comes back

00:40:30.620 and they're all,

00:40:31.020 because if you have

00:40:31.800 unit cohesion,

00:40:32.660 you're all speaking

00:40:33.060 the same language.

00:40:33.780 You can build a tower.

00:40:34.680 But God came in

00:40:35.480 and said,

00:40:35.740 no,

00:40:35.820 I don't want that tower.

00:40:36.960 He changed all the language.

00:40:37.900 Now,

00:40:38.120 all of a sudden,

00:40:38.440 we're all speaking

00:40:38.840 different languages.

00:40:40.000 So if I come up here

00:40:40.880 and I'm speaking,

00:40:41.720 you know,

00:40:42.000 I'm speaking Farsi,

00:40:43.000 you're speaking Dari,

00:40:44.300 or maybe you don't

00:40:44.840 understand each other,

00:40:45.480 but you're speaking Chinese.

00:40:46.620 I'm speaking Farsi.

00:40:47.820 You know,

00:40:48.080 we're not going to be able

00:40:49.020 to do anything.

00:40:49.900 That's exactly what Petraeus did.

00:40:51.920 That's what,

00:40:52.180 and by the way,

00:40:52.680 these NATO tactics,

00:40:54.520 turns out,

00:40:55.140 Tony,

00:40:55.340 that the NATO tactics

00:40:56.260 don't work too well

00:40:57.240 if you don't have

00:40:57.740 a little thing called

00:40:58.420 air superiority

00:40:59.220 or even an air force

00:41:00.440 to begin with.

00:41:00.960 I was about to mention that.

00:41:02.360 So,

00:41:02.600 yeah,

00:41:02.780 look,

00:41:03.020 I often compare this

00:41:05.940 to D-Day.

00:41:07.120 Let's,

00:41:07.600 what if Petraeus

00:41:09.080 was leading D-Day

00:41:09.960 with Ukrainian forces?

00:41:12.260 Let's send in

00:41:12.920 the special operations guys

00:41:14.380 to do some stuff

00:41:15.900 on the beach.

00:41:16.620 And then two days later,

00:41:17.480 we're going to send

00:41:17.940 the B-17s in

00:41:18.900 to soften things up.

00:41:20.200 Oh,

00:41:20.400 yeah,

00:41:20.520 we don't have B-17s.

00:41:21.660 Oh,

00:41:21.820 we'll just send tanks

00:41:22.500 in instead. 1.00

00:41:23.440 That's how stupid 1.00

00:41:24.420 and completely irrelevant 1.00

00:41:27.320 the planning was

00:41:28.760 for this thing.

00:41:29.400 It was never going to work.

00:41:30.800 And I'm not pro-Russian.

00:41:32.820 I'm just saying

00:41:33.500 it was never in the cards.

00:41:35.700 Professional military folks

00:41:36.920 who study these,

00:41:37.740 these historic trends

00:41:38.840 and current tactics do it.

00:41:40.300 The fundamentals

00:41:40.700 have not changed,

00:41:42.460 folks.

00:41:42.760 The fundamentals

00:41:43.400 have not changed.

00:41:44.720 You're fighting Russia 0.94

00:41:45.600 in the middle of the winter.

00:41:46.920 Hitler found this out.

00:41:47.980 Napoleon found this out.

00:41:49.240 Stay tuned.

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00:42:04.100 All right,

00:42:04.600 Jack Posobiec back here live.

00:42:05.640 Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer.

00:42:06.700 We were just talking

00:42:07.260 in the break there.

00:42:08.700 We're going to get into JIPO.

00:42:09.840 We're going to get into

00:42:10.600 our ML COAs,

00:42:11.520 our MD COAs.

00:42:12.340 We're going to get into

00:42:12.880 all of it.

00:42:14.240 Tony,

00:42:14.700 I think if we start

00:42:15.560 throwing the intel acronyms around,

00:42:17.040 we're going to lose everybody,

00:42:17.840 aren't we?

00:42:19.520 No,

00:42:19.980 it's like when we went through

00:42:20.960 when I was a lieutenant,

00:42:22.120 we had two-day,

00:42:23.620 a two-day exam

00:42:24.520 to do an intelligence preparation

00:42:26.240 to the battle space,

00:42:27.080 whatever you're going to call it today.

00:42:28.620 It was detailed

00:42:29.460 and gives people

00:42:32.240 a great sense of thought.

00:42:32.920 Because now it's joint,

00:42:34.120 right?

00:42:34.260 So it's joint intelligence preparation

00:42:35.980 or joint intelligence preparation

00:42:38.380 of the operational environment.

00:42:41.700 That's right.

00:42:42.760 So JIPO, right? 0.71

00:42:44.380 But I want to,

00:42:45.260 the MD COA,

00:42:46.820 ML COA,

00:42:47.380 I was actually talking

00:42:48.880 to Charlie Kirk about this.

00:42:50.340 We were just chatting

00:42:51.000 about 2024 earlier today

00:42:52.360 and I said,

00:42:52.780 look,

00:42:53.240 the way you game things out,

00:42:54.420 the way we game things out

00:42:55.260 in the military

00:42:55.820 MD COA,

00:42:57.160 the most dangerous course of action

00:42:59.240 and the ML COA,

00:43:00.540 the most likely course of action.

00:43:03.140 And for my money,

00:43:04.200 Tony,

00:43:04.640 the most dangerous course of action here

00:43:06.660 is essentially

00:43:07.840 that the Biden administration

00:43:08.840 says yes

00:43:09.820 to a wider war

00:43:11.600 with Russia

00:43:12.360 going into 2024,

00:43:14.280 not out of

00:43:15.160 geopolitical necessity,

00:43:16.740 certainly not out of

00:43:17.600 military strategy,

00:43:18.540 but out of political necessity.

00:43:21.600 Oh,

00:43:22.220 they telegraphed that.

00:43:23.160 Look,

00:43:23.280 you had Lloyd Austin

00:43:24.160 last week

00:43:24.680 on the Hill

00:43:25.160 threatening

00:43:26.360 and,

00:43:27.000 you know,

00:43:27.160 we saw Tucker

00:43:27.800 confirm that,

00:43:28.600 Tucker Carlson

00:43:29.140 confirmed that,

00:43:29.780 my sources confirmed it,

00:43:31.400 that behind,

00:43:32.660 in a classified hearing,

00:43:34.420 Lloyd Austin,

00:43:35.100 who I know

00:43:35.520 and worked for

00:43:36.140 in Afghanistan,

00:43:37.160 basically threatened lawmakers

00:43:38.500 by saying,

00:43:39.260 either you give us the money

00:43:40.240 or I'm going to send 1.00

00:43:40.940 your kids to their death. 1.00

00:43:42.120 That's pretty much 0.90

00:43:42.720 what he said.

00:43:43.260 It's like,

00:43:43.980 hey,

00:43:44.460 it's a blood or treasure.

00:43:45.940 You give me one of the two.

00:43:47.660 And to your point,

00:43:48.480 I think the Biden administration

00:43:49.520 is fully willing.

00:43:50.620 I think they're gunning for,

00:43:52.520 to coin a term,

00:43:53.340 gunning to move in

00:43:55.180 with more active,

00:43:57.000 more direct military operations

00:43:59.000 to include troops

00:43:59.900 in Ukraine.

00:44:01.040 Right now,

00:44:01.620 as we speak,

00:44:02.220 we have at least

00:44:03.080 two full combat divisions

00:44:05.380 in Poland.

00:44:06.520 Now,

00:44:06.680 they're there for a reason.

00:44:07.680 I agree with the reason.

00:44:09.020 I've talked to some of the folks

00:44:10.100 who made those decisions.

00:44:11.980 But the idea here

00:44:13.060 is I think Biden

00:44:13.980 would try to prompt

00:44:14.960 some sort of a military action

00:44:16.760 that would make it appear

00:44:18.880 like 1939 Poland

00:44:20.780 to make it look like

00:44:21.880 the Russians

00:44:22.280 did something aggressive

00:44:23.180 and give him

00:44:23.880 the ability

00:44:25.240 to send U.S. forces

00:44:26.660 into Ukraine

00:44:27.360 in an aggressive way,

00:44:28.720 blaming the Russians.

00:44:29.800 So I think

00:44:30.200 that's most dangerous.

00:44:32.120 I don't think

00:44:32.720 it's all that unlikely.

00:44:35.600 I think the most likely,

00:44:36.880 going the other way,

00:44:38.180 is that

00:44:38.700 saner minds

00:44:40.480 of the Pentagon prevail.

00:44:41.860 They don't allow

00:44:42.740 for the military

00:44:44.100 to be used

00:44:44.760 as a MacGuffin

00:44:45.980 to try to create

00:44:47.000 conditions for war,

00:44:48.240 but they hold back.

00:44:49.920 And then the most likely

00:44:51.080 course of action,

00:44:51.940 I think,

00:44:52.260 is the Russians

00:44:52.720 return to the offensive,

00:44:55.400 tailored,

00:44:56.140 to focus on

00:44:57.240 how to secure

00:44:58.240 the Donbass

00:44:59.080 and those regions

00:45:00.240 that they already hold,

00:45:01.640 and then maybe

00:45:02.400 set up a security zone

00:45:04.100 to the Dnepra River.

00:45:06.240 But ultimately,

00:45:07.040 what they want to do,

00:45:07.820 the Russians want to do, 0.76

00:45:08.660 is stabilize

00:45:09.300 those areas

00:45:10.280 they've taken over

00:45:11.160 and simply put,

00:45:12.480 they want to

00:45:13.400 begin to

00:45:14.320 examine

00:45:14.920 and exploit

00:45:16.080 the gas

00:45:16.900 and reserve

00:45:17.360 resources in there,

00:45:18.800 in the Black Sea,

00:45:20.080 and essentially

00:45:20.680 take what is,

00:45:21.760 I think,

00:45:22.380 most valuable

00:45:23.120 in Ukraine,

00:45:24.720 which is those reserves,

00:45:25.880 plus the population

00:45:26.740 which is Russian-centric,

00:45:28.720 Russian-cultured,

00:45:29.920 and settle down. 0.92

00:45:31.260 I think that's what they want.

00:45:32.180 I don't think they want

00:45:32.960 an extended war,

00:45:33.700 but I think Biden

00:45:34.420 wants an extended war 0.99

00:45:35.300 because obviously

00:45:36.240 the globalists,

00:45:37.620 the neocons,

00:45:38.680 weren't successful

00:45:39.520 in destabilizing Russia.

00:45:42.600 It had the worst effects,

00:45:43.600 so I think they are

00:45:45.220 willing to double down

00:45:46.860 by trying more of the same,

00:45:48.880 by trying to increase

00:45:49.860 our amount of direct support

00:45:53.040 to include troops

00:45:53.960 in the war.

00:45:55.400 Well, Tony,

00:45:56.140 of course,

00:45:56.640 I guess we found out

00:45:57.480 that Nikki Haley

00:45:58.220 has not been watching

00:45:59.460 your interviews here

00:46:00.860 on Human Events

00:46:01.920 or anywhere

00:46:02.440 because she couldn't

00:46:03.660 even name three

00:46:04.640 of the provinces

00:46:05.560 where the fighting's

00:46:06.240 going on in Ukraine,

00:46:08.080 but, you know,

00:46:08.720 obviously we've known

00:46:09.780 from the start

00:46:10.240 with the annexation

00:46:11.080 of these four provinces

00:46:12.320 or oblasts

00:46:13.300 as they're referred

00:46:13.680 to in Ukraine.

00:46:14.900 This was Lugansk,

00:46:15.960 Donetsk,

00:46:16.400 Saporizhia,

00:46:17.360 and Kherson,

00:46:19.060 where, you know,

00:46:20.140 I traveled right up

00:46:20.960 to the border of Kherson

00:46:21.700 last year

00:46:22.400 on this program.

00:46:24.200 Professor Meersheimer

00:46:25.260 came out

00:46:26.060 and has said

00:46:27.040 in a series of interviews

00:46:28.460 and a series of talks

00:46:29.340 that he's done,

00:46:30.260 and remember,

00:46:30.580 this is the guy

00:46:31.040 who predicted

00:46:32.120 the Ukraine war

00:46:33.020 10 years ago

00:46:34.060 and said,

00:46:34.620 the West is leading 0.95

00:46:35.520 Ukraine down

00:46:36.520 the primrose path

00:46:37.540 and they are going

00:46:38.120 to be smashed.

00:46:39.320 He's predicting

00:46:40.080 that the Kremlin

00:46:41.120 is now looking

00:46:41.900 at the next four provinces

00:46:44.360 and I look at my map here,

00:46:45.560 that's Kharkov,

00:46:46.240 of course,

00:46:46.600 we know the fighting's

00:46:47.160 going on there,

00:46:48.900 Dnepro-Petrovosk,

00:46:50.280 Nikolaev,

00:46:50.960 where I was,

00:46:51.660 and then, of course,

00:46:52.380 which we've talked about

00:46:53.080 all along,

00:46:54.060 Odessa.

00:46:54.920 Do you think

00:46:55.560 it's potentially

00:46:56.220 in the cards

00:46:57.000 that the Kremlin

00:46:57.560 is now having

00:46:58.220 those conversations?

00:46:59.960 Yeah, absolutely.

00:47:00.720 I have no doubt.

00:47:01.500 Again, it's a limited

00:47:02.320 offensive.

00:47:03.180 I think they're going

00:47:03.780 to return to a

00:47:04.420 limited tailored offensive

00:47:05.340 to begin to secure

00:47:06.700 the other areas

00:47:07.500 to create essentially

00:47:08.220 a security zone,

00:47:09.540 settle those four provinces

00:47:10.620 they've got, Jack.

00:47:11.480 They want to turn those, 0.99

00:47:12.500 they've already said

00:47:13.100 they're Russian,

00:47:13.640 so they're Russian.

00:47:14.880 And then they want

00:47:15.620 to create, I think,

00:47:16.500 a zone of security

00:47:17.920 which allows for them

00:47:19.240 to have essentially

00:47:20.540 a demilitarized zone.

00:47:22.020 It's never going

00:47:22.960 to be in the cards

00:47:23.840 for Ukraine

00:47:25.140 or whatever's left

00:47:26.060 of it to join NATO.

00:47:27.540 But I think

00:47:28.140 the ultimate agreement

00:47:29.100 can be made

00:47:30.080 that Ukraine,

00:47:31.680 what's left of it,

00:47:32.460 not under control

00:47:33.140 of Russia,

00:47:33.560 becomes essentially

00:47:34.360 neutral.

00:47:35.340 And I think

00:47:36.080 that's what the Russians 0.90

00:47:36.900 seek.

00:47:37.480 They're in the driver's

00:47:38.960 seat now.

00:47:39.520 And as I mentioned

00:47:40.420 at the beginning

00:47:40.800 of our interview,

00:47:42.040 I think whatever

00:47:43.280 territory Ukraine

00:47:45.660 was able

00:47:46.760 to re-secure

00:47:48.000 or secure

00:47:48.520 in the fall offensive

00:47:49.300 last year,

00:47:49.960 a year ago,

00:47:50.640 is about to be lost.

00:47:51.920 There's just nothing

00:47:52.820 left of Ukrainian

00:47:54.560 forces able

00:47:55.500 to stop the Russians. 0.94

00:47:56.760 I think they're going

00:47:57.360 to have to fall back.

00:47:59.440 You're going to see

00:48:00.100 a frozen conflict.

00:48:02.320 Obviously,

00:48:03.140 we're in the winter,

00:48:04.220 so it's already

00:48:04.700 a frozen conflict

00:48:05.360 in some respects.

00:48:06.280 But you'll see

00:48:06.560 a frozen conflict.

00:48:08.360 Really,

00:48:09.080 at this point,

00:48:09.580 the only question is

00:48:10.440 how much of Ukraine

00:48:11.740 is left in the rump state

00:48:13.280 and where will

00:48:14.360 the demilitarized

00:48:15.400 zone be?

00:48:17.580 That's correct.

00:48:18.000 Where will the armistice line be?

00:48:19.240 It'll be east-west,

00:48:20.600 and we will see,

00:48:21.440 they might refer to this,

00:48:22.420 this is the Novorossia plan.

00:48:25.180 Tony,

00:48:25.540 and just last question,

00:48:27.180 you know,

00:48:27.380 very quickly on this.

00:48:30.140 Do you view this,

00:48:31.240 because you were the person

00:48:32.040 who said that Russia

00:48:32.680 will conduct this

00:48:33.360 limited offensive,

00:48:34.820 do you believe then

00:48:36.080 that they,

00:48:36.560 and I'll just double

00:48:37.400 stomp on it,

00:48:38.200 do you believe then

00:48:38.880 that they'll go in

00:48:39.540 to actually try

00:48:40.220 to deny access

00:48:41.120 to the Black Sea

00:48:42.240 and turn that rump state 1.00

00:48:43.540 of Ukraine

00:48:43.980 into essentially

00:48:45.100 a landlocked entity?

00:48:47.560 Yes, I do.

00:48:48.500 I think part of

00:48:49.820 Putin's philosophy

00:48:51.460 is, 1.00

00:48:51.820 he's a thug, 0.99

00:48:53.100 he's going to do 1.00

00:48:53.620 some revenge here.

00:48:54.440 I think this all

00:48:55.860 could have been resolved

00:48:56.720 over a year ago.

00:48:58.820 In March of 2022.

00:48:59.840 I think people were looking,

00:49:00.940 absolutely,

00:49:01.680 and I think Putin

00:49:03.480 is not without

00:49:04.460 some level of,

00:49:05.600 come on,

00:49:05.980 he just assassinated

00:49:06.900 the guy that tried

00:49:07.740 to do the coup

00:49:08.920 against him.

00:49:09.460 So yeah,

00:49:09.800 I think there's going

00:49:10.520 to be some vengeance

00:49:12.120 there,

00:49:12.560 just to be honest.

00:49:13.860 I'm not saying that's okay.

00:49:14.400 Well, that's right.

00:49:14.880 I mean,

00:49:15.100 he's currently signing

00:49:16.360 an arms deal,

00:49:18.260 they've done a fighter jet

00:49:19.260 deal with Iran, 0.96

00:49:20.760 they're doing

00:49:21.560 trade agreements

00:49:22.500 for between BRICS

00:49:24.080 and the Central Asian nations.

00:49:26.960 I think,

00:49:27.920 to your point,

00:49:28.620 the die is cast.

00:49:29.760 Tony,

00:49:29.940 where can people

00:49:30.240 go to follow you?

00:49:30.740 Yep.

00:49:32.140 T Spooky on Twitter,

00:49:34.540 Project Sentinel.com

00:49:36.000 on the internet.

00:49:37.440 And Jack,

00:49:37.860 always great joining you.

00:49:38.740 Thanks for having me.

00:49:40.940 God bless, Tony.

00:49:41.640 Folks,

00:49:42.160 the Macedonians

00:49:43.660 have gathered.

00:49:44.920 We're gathering again

00:49:46.300 this weekend.

00:49:47.600 Phoenix,

00:49:48.020 Arizona,

00:49:48.560 AmFest,

00:49:49.080 your presence

00:49:49.700 is required.

00:49:51.940 We march

00:49:52.880 into Persia.

00:49:53.920 Tonight we dine,

00:49:55.080 tomorrow we march.

00:49:56.360 Ladies and gentlemen,

00:49:57.040 as always,

00:49:57.500 you have my permission

00:49:58.160 to lay a short.

00:49:59.280 ask you to join you.

00:50:04.320 .

00:50:08.800 .

00:50:09.120 .

00:50:10.420 .

00:50:13.680 .

00:50:18.300 .

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - December 11, 2023

EPISODE 623： TRUMP AND THE GATHERING OF THE MACEDONIANS

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