Jack Posobrand is a commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran. He is also the founder of Human Defense Daily, a podcast that chronicles the human defense movement. This is what happens when the 4th Turning meets 5th Generation Warfare.
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00:07:53.280So we were doing the Matrix, the Matrix references yesterday, and we walked through the woman in the red dress.
00:08:00.140And I said, people, when I talk about Taylor Swift, I was like, people are forgetting the lesson of Morpheus and the lesson of the woman in the red dress, the distraction.
00:08:08.660The phrase red pill also, of course, comes from the Matrix, the red pill versus the blue pill.
00:08:14.120And so there's actually a meme on this, and I'll walk you through it.
00:09:13.780And that low morale, I'm sorry, puts you in the same camp as the people that we're running against, puts you in the same camp as the regime, puts you in the same camp as the GAE.
00:09:25.300So what I say to this is, look, you know, maybe not gulags, maybe labor camps, maybe labor camps for black pillars.
00:11:32.840And this has only sort of, you know, energized his base and woken up many people across the country who really were asleep at the wheel and didn't realize the depths to which our institutions have been corrupted and the depths to which our institutions have fallen.
00:13:24.820We need to look to some great American heroes like Teddy Roosevelt, you know, man in the arena.
00:13:28.600Time to roll up the sleeves, get in the arena, get dirty, get in the trenches and fight.
00:13:32.740And I'm sick of all these people on the sidelines, you know, dooming and glooming, you know, whining, complaining, kvetching, acting like a bunch of yentas.
00:13:40.440And they don't want to get out there and actually do the work that needs to be done.
00:13:45.980They don't want to register new voters.
00:13:47.460They don't want to build organizations.
00:13:48.580They just want to complain, whine and just kind of go through life miserable and just let the forces of history and the forces of politics and current events just sway them left, right and center rather than going out and charting their own course and being a part of a movement, being part of a political force that is changing the direction of this country for the better.
00:14:11.720These are the types of people that weren't born for greatness.
00:14:13.880They weren't able to rise to the occasion and sadly our political class or donor class or consultant class, the Beltway elite, they're all sort of in the same mold.
00:14:22.800And you made a great point in the monologue that the doomers and gloomers on our side, their nihilistic worldview is effectively the same nihilistic worldview of those in power.
00:14:31.660Those in power have the same worldview.
00:14:33.720They just happen to be in positions of authority where they're able to basically just bring all of society down to their level, which is a quite low moral level.
00:14:43.560It's a quite low level in terms of their outlook on life in general.
00:14:58.840And if you don't have that view, if you have a little bit of vitality left, a little bit of a backbone, maybe high T, if you will, you'll be able to push back and fight on and maybe make history.
00:15:08.440And I think we're on the cusp of making history with this election, Jack.
00:15:12.860Look, I have zero respect for cowards.
00:15:46.440And so these people, I sit there and say, the people say, well, what about, what about the, you know, if you're, look, if you're upset about January 6th, if you're, and, and the treatment that's been done to the people, if you're upset about the pipe bombs, if you're upset about the pro-lifers who just got 11, uh, 11 years, 11 years in jail for protesting abortion.
00:16:04.940Guess what, boys and girls, there's an answer to all of these problems.
00:16:21.060I don't care if you don't even ever listen to a single one of his speeches.
00:16:24.760I don't care because if you're upset about one of those things, I'm sorry, but there isn't any other way out of this period.
00:16:31.960There is no office in the land that has the national leverage with the ability to do this.
00:16:36.460And oh, by the way, for the people who say it's the Supreme court and the Supreme court's been great.
00:16:39.940How do you think that we got those justices up there?
00:16:42.200And look, I'm, I'm upset about the Texas decision as well.
00:16:44.500But again, this is our fighting chance.
00:16:48.260If you want to roll over and die, you can do that.
00:16:50.700But, you know, you're not going to, we're not going to sit there and, you know, I hear these people, they say, just run away from the fight.
00:16:56.140You know, go off and live in like the, you know, go live like a peasant in the pastures.
00:17:01.680And don't worry, the regime will never come for you.
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00:19:44.280Gavin Wax, I got a question for you and also kind of a theory.
00:19:47.720So we've been seeing if people have been online lately, they see this guy, Will Stansel, who's running around, and he's from the Midwest, and yet he acts as like a complete lib.
00:20:00.080And there's this phrase that we've used here on the program called HickLib, and these are these people who sort of have the aesthetics of someone who's from the Midwest or the South or Appalachia, and yet they're a full-on lib.
00:20:15.020And I was trying to think, what would the inverse of a HickLib be?
00:20:19.860Is there anything like that on the right?
00:20:21.520And really what the main, one of the critical features of the HickLib is that they hate, they absolutely hate everyone they live around who is conservative, supports conservative values, goes to church, has families, et cetera, et cetera.
00:20:35.060And I came upon it, and I was like, you know what, the corollary to the HickLib is the inverse, I guess you could say, is the urban con.
00:20:46.640You know, the urban con, this is somebody who, I don't know, maybe somebody like from the Philly area or from New York City or from L.A. like Stephen Miller or obviously Donald Trump himself coming from New York, where you're somebody who you have the aesthetics of someone who's from, you know, sort of the more urban world, the city world.
00:21:06.340And when it comes to politics, your main driving motivation is law and order, because we've seen the destruction of our great cities before us.
00:21:18.320And I see this through line in the Rolling Stone piece that was just written about, all about you, this great book that you have coming out.
00:21:25.000This is really a big difference that's changed the new right from the old right, isn't it?
00:21:32.060Oh, no, amen. I think you bring up a lot of great points there.
00:21:34.680I mean, the only difference I would say is, well, the HickLib, it's, you know, they're a self-loathing creature.
00:21:39.640They hate everything around them. They hate where they come from.
00:21:42.180And they take on this sort of left-wing ideology as a form of classism to elevate themselves from those around them.
00:21:49.240And I think the urban con, you know, people like yourself, people like me, Stephen Miller, whoever it may be, coming from urban America, you know, I love New York.
00:21:57.540I think you love Philly. You love where you come from.
00:21:59.560We're just sad and displeased with the way our states and cities have been run into the ground by this, you know, one-party, all-powerful Democrat machine
00:22:09.320that have basically destroyed the fabric of urban America for the next few generations, unless we really reverse course drastically.
00:22:15.880And I think the urban conservative at the same time is, you know, keenly aware of the future of our country
00:22:21.880because all the future of our country could really be seen on the streets of New York, San Francisco, Kensington and Philly, wherever it may be.
00:22:29.080You can see the hordes of zombies on drugs, the migrants, the crime, the homelessness, the trash, you know, the destitution, the boarded-up businesses.
00:22:37.220That's the future of the United States, and it'll come soon to a suburb near you.
00:22:41.180It'll come soon to a rural town near you, maybe a very well-to-do urban, sorry, rural town, say, in Vermont, that votes maybe 80% liberal.
00:22:49.780You know, they're living the good life.
00:22:50.940They're actually shielded from a lot of the voting, a lot of the consequences of their voting patterns.
00:22:56.720But it's coming across the country if we don't stop this invasion on our border and the rest of these societal ills
00:23:02.820that we've allowed to plague our citizens for far too long.
00:23:06.040And I think, you know, this new movement, this new right-wing movement that's ascendant, many of the main thinkers and drivers of it
00:23:12.520are these sort of urban conservatives, these urban populists.
00:23:15.900They at least have an understanding that this new political realignment, this new emerging populist majority,
00:23:21.100is a blend of the urban and rural vote.
00:23:23.500It's kind of like a reverse FDR coalition, which is something we discuss in, or I discuss in my book,
00:26:09.600Everything can be thrown off the table.
00:26:11.520And you you sacrifice everything at the altar of profit and compare that to the populists or the national conservative or whatever other title you want to use.
00:26:20.220We actually view the economy not as the end, but it means to an end.
00:26:24.020You know, we want to uplift the individual, uplift the family, uplift the nation.
00:26:53.440We're going to try to find ways to make their life more meaningful for them to have a sort of spiritual awakening and a transcendence that goes beyond just slaving away at a corporate job where they could be expended at any moment and they'll have no savings and they'll have no benefits.
00:27:07.600And they worked basically for nothing.
00:27:09.380I don't think that's conservatism mocking people who have definitely definitely have an ill feeling in their stomach about, you know, all the supposed perks of modernity.
00:27:20.920Nikki Haley has come around and said not only is and I haven't heard her say whether or not she supports E-Verify, which is a system.
00:27:30.660And to his credit, Ron DeSantis did say he supported this actually make it a crime to hire illegal immigrants to give an illegal immigrant a job ahead of an American.
00:27:39.520It's just so obvious you want to turn off the flow at the border.
00:27:43.340This is the second thing you have to do after you actually shut down the border.
00:27:46.320And the number two is that Nikki Haley said she wants to raise the retirement rate to 70 as the U.S. life expectancy is dropping to the mid-70s.
00:27:57.140It's ridiculous, this idea that you're telling young voters, Gen Z and millennials, that you can only get, what, four or five years of retirement before you die.
00:28:07.200Again, this is the epitome of worshipping the GDP rather than actually caring about Americans.
00:28:13.680And that's the difference that your book is out.
00:28:53.140We need to be introducing policies that reward people, that create families, that reward people for bringing life into this world.
00:28:58.320We need to be supporting people with jobs that are not just jobs on paper, but jobs that actually are meaningful and jobs that actually have an increasing, you know, purchasing power associated with it.
00:29:08.980And that's why migration, this mass migration crisis, is the problem of our time.
00:29:12.780Because not only do you destroy the culture, not only do you flood the nation with new votes, but you also suppress the wages of those that live here and work here.
00:29:22.940They can't afford the life they once lived.
00:29:24.560And we're turning everyone into a new peasant.
00:29:26.080And everything's going to end up like California, where you have this neo-feudal technocratic state, where you have these super rich tech bros, and you have this giant inland population of poor people that are basically just running on welfare, running on scraps of the service economy, because manufacturing has been gutted, decent jobs have been gutted, the economy's been gutted.
00:29:45.320But it's all been gutted in a sort of corporate-style takeover like Mitt Romney did through his entire career, where they sell all the assets to the highest bidder, to the lowest bidder.
00:45:02.140You canceled the elections because you said that elections shouldn't be held during wartime because elections are a time of elections, create division.
00:46:40.060Oh, right, Victoria Newland, the same Victoria.
00:46:44.000You've got to understand the familial anger that Victoria Newland, and when I was on with Alex Jones,
00:46:50.040we talked about this recently, that her family were Trotskyites that were run out of Russia,
00:46:56.280the Odessa area, when Stalin took power.
00:46:59.900So her family was kicked out of Russia, and so she hates Russia because of this.
00:47:04.080And her family started the Partnership for the New American Century, which is one of the leading neocon Trotskyist organizations in the entire country.
00:47:15.340And you have to understand, the neocons are also communists, okay?