Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - MAGA vs The Theater Kids： Do You Want Drama or Do You Want Victory？

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

00:00:39.180 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:45.880 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:48.960 Christ is king.

00:00:50.520 Tonight, President Trump now saying he is not ruling out putting U.S. boots on the ground in Venezuela

00:00:56.260 as the largest, most advanced aircraft carrier in the world.

00:01:00.180 The USS Gerald Ford arrives in the Caribbean.

00:01:03.280 I don't rule out anything.

00:01:04.560 We just have to take care of Venezuela. 0.99

00:01:06.340 At least 15,000 U.S. forces now deployed in the Caribbean.

00:01:10.560 The U.S. saying it will designate the Cartel de los Soles, a drug trafficking group it says

00:01:15.400 is run by the illegitimate regime of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro,

00:01:19.200 a foreign terrorist organization, an accusation Maduro denies.

00:01:23.720 A terrible first for the world.

00:01:25.980 A Chinese-backed AI tool hacked about 30 places, including some financial institutions.

00:01:31.800 China used Anthropic, which is a U.S.-based tool.

00:01:35.240 The only reason we know about this is because it's U.S.-based.

00:01:38.340 And Anthropic disclosed the fact that its clawed model, its large language model,

00:01:41.920 had been hacked and used for these nefarious purposes.

00:01:44.360 I met this week with David Sachs, our AI czar in the White House.

00:01:48.300 I met with a number of AI officials, the CEOs of AI companies in Silicon Valley this past week.

00:01:53.920 This is something where we must lead, we must stay on the cutting edge of innovation.

00:01:57.880 And from a regulatory standpoint, I want to make certain that in Congress,

00:02:00.600 we're not doing anything to stop the ability of these cutting-edge companies from operating here in America.

00:02:05.140 Big victory for free speech and First Amendment protections

00:02:08.640 after a court decided one school district's pronoun policy violated students' constitutional rights.

00:02:15.880 The Federal Appeals Court ruled a school district in Ohio could not punish students

00:02:20.060 who do not call a transgender student by their preferred pronoun.

00:02:24.600 With the House preparing to vote on the full release of the Epstein files,

00:02:28.020 this morning, Speaker of the House Mike Johnson says a significant number of Republicans will back it.

00:02:33.200 And how many Republicans do you expect to vote for this?

00:02:35.700 I think it'll be a large vote tally.

00:02:39.020 In the final hours, the president reversing course, telling Republicans to vote yes,

00:02:43.800 insisting he would sign the bill if it reaches his desk.

00:02:46.520 Sure I would. Let the Senate look at it, let anybody look at it.

00:02:50.900 But don't talk about it too much, because honestly, I don't want to take it away from us.

00:02:56.960 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.

00:03:00.340 We're here live on Real America's Voice.

00:03:03.180 Today is November 18th, 2025, Anno Domini.

00:03:06.560 Guys, you're looking at a—and if we can, let's put that up side by side, guys.

00:03:11.260 We're looking at a two-shot—live shot, I should say, of the entrance to the West Wing there.

00:03:18.500 President Trump wrapping up his meeting with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia,

00:03:24.480 a cool trillion in investment in the United States that we're hearing from the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

00:03:32.760 You know, and we see the president putting up these wins.

00:03:35.620 We see the president putting up these Ws on the foreign policy front.

00:03:38.900 But it's really the internals.

00:03:40.880 It's really the domestic that so many people are focused on.

00:03:44.940 And so today's episode, I wanted to talk about this thing.

00:03:47.840 It seems like a lot of people online are talking about—and if you're not online that much,

00:03:52.080 you may not have seen it, but if you're in the comments, if you're in the comments on

00:03:55.500 the Rumble chat or the Getter chat or the YouTube chat or Twitter chat—yeah, that's

00:03:59.980 really me, by the way, when I pop in there.

00:04:01.540 That really is actually me when I come on.

00:04:04.140 It's this question about, do you want drama or do you want victory, right?

00:04:09.520 Because MAGA wants drama, and the theater kids are the ones—I said that backwards, didn't I?

00:04:17.560 MAGA wants victory, and the theater kids are the ones who want drama. 0.98

00:04:22.740 MAGA wants victory, and the theater kids are the ones who just want drama, all right?

00:04:29.420 It's really as simple as that.

00:04:31.660 Do you want to win?

00:04:33.360 Where were we 10 years ago?

00:04:35.400 Where are we now?

00:04:36.340 What would things have been like if Kamala Harris had been president? 0.79

00:04:40.180 Or, dare I say, Hillary Clinton had been president?

00:04:43.560 Because remember, go back 10 years.

00:04:45.560 Who was the heir apparent?

00:04:47.160 Who did it look like before Donald Trump got in the race in 2015?

00:04:52.000 Who was it that looked like it was going to win?

00:04:54.580 Jeb Bush.

00:04:56.300 You remember him?

00:04:57.600 Jebbers. 1.00

00:04:58.660 It looked like Jeb Bush was going to get in the race.

00:05:01.300 That's right, Jeb Bush.

00:05:02.000 And so we would have had a contest between Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton, and Hillary would have steamrolled him. 1.00

00:05:09.640 She would have absolutely steamrolled Jeb Bush. 0.93

00:05:11.840 Everybody knew it.

00:05:12.960 Everybody knew it would have happened, and she would have been the first female president, and Hillary Clinton would have been in the White House, probably for two terms. 1.00

00:05:20.360 That was your alternative if Donald Trump didn't come down the golden escalator in one of the greatest moments in all of American history.

00:05:28.920 So you need to lock in out there.

00:05:30.900 Now, people want to say, oh, well, Jack, this is just constructive criticism.

00:05:34.380 That's fine.

00:05:35.440 That's totally fine.

00:05:36.220 People want to course correct.

00:05:37.640 People want to say you need to focus more on the domestic and not the foreign.

00:05:41.160 I get that.

00:05:42.100 I'm all for it.

00:05:43.200 I'm all for it.

00:05:44.140 What I'm not for is the drama.

00:05:45.620 I'm not for these dramatic, performative eruptions and, oh, you're not really MAGA.

00:05:55.560 Oh, you're not really.

00:05:56.600 And you get these people, by the way, who weren't here early on who then come in and say, oh, you have to say this, this, and this, and then you're MAGA.

00:06:04.960 And, oh, you can't talk to this person and this person and this person or you're not MAGA.

00:06:08.760 And it's like, yeah, that's not what MAGA is about.

00:06:11.480 MAGA is about freedom of speech.

00:06:12.520 MAGA is about people coming together against the establishment.

00:06:16.380 That's what MAGA is about.

00:06:17.480 And that's why Donald Trump did what he did.

00:06:19.360 And that's why he's been as successful as he's had, as he's been.

00:06:22.920 And he's had the success that he's had.

00:06:25.240 It's really as simple as that.

00:06:26.980 And I get it.

00:06:27.980 The base of this country, the base of this movement, they care a lot more about the turkey and your Thanksgiving dinner than they do about the turkey in the Middle East.

00:06:37.540 That's America first. 0.98

00:06:39.700 That's how I define America first.

00:06:41.460 That's how America first has always been defined, putting the American people first, not corporations, not the GDP, not the stock market, not any of that nonsense.

00:06:52.040 It means putting the American people first.

00:06:55.280 And if the American people are hurting, if Main Street is hurting, it doesn't matter if Wall Street is doing well.

00:07:00.240 Remember a little something called the Occupy movement?

00:07:02.300 Remember a little something called the Tea Party?

00:07:04.020 A little something called the 99% versus 1%?

00:07:06.240 That was the birth of populist politics, the populist movement.

00:07:11.580 The populist left turned into Mamdani-ism.

00:07:14.980 What did the populist right turn into?

00:07:16.780 It turned into MAGA.

00:07:19.220 Be right back, folks.

00:07:20.120 Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily.

00:07:21.660 All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back live.

00:07:44.520 Human Events Daily.

00:07:45.340 We got President Trump, the live shot there, the portico to the West Wing of the White House, where he's about to be finishing his meeting with the Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia.

00:07:59.520 So we'll take that live when they all start to walk out, put it down in the little box right there.

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00:09:10.100 All right, very excited to have on the show.

00:09:11.880 First time, I believe that we've had him on Human Events Daily, although I've appeared on his show a number of times.

00:09:16.740 Ladies and gentlemen, Jason Whitlock from Fearless over at The Blaze joins us now.

00:09:21.280 What's up, Jason?

00:09:22.840 Jack, thank you for having me.

00:09:24.240 I thought I'd been on Human Events.

00:09:25.840 Maybe I, well, I've been on somewhere.

00:09:28.220 Maybe I'm getting my wires crossed then, and you were here, and I thought you were, I was on there.

00:09:32.920 That might be it.

00:09:33.900 But, Jason, it's, it's, either way, we got to do it more.

00:09:37.440 That's, that's the, I think that's the upshot of it.

00:09:39.800 But, so we were doing this, this conversation.

00:09:42.260 I was on your show earlier, and, and I kind of did a little monologue when we started off.

00:09:46.800 And I said, I think there's some people, and I saw this, actually, I was coming off of your, your tweet.

00:09:52.100 You had a tweet about, you know, taking the vaccine and, and saying that, that Jesus Christ is not enough.

00:09:58.320 You must take the censorship vax.

00:10:00.540 We now have boosters that will keep you a safe social distance from Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly, Alex Jones, Dave Smith, Daryl Cooper, and many others to be named later.

00:10:09.940 Keep it locked on my feed for updates on new boosters or masking policies.

00:10:13.420 And it was really funny, and, and people don't know, Jason's obviously being, being sarcastic there.

00:10:19.680 It does feel like there's this push for censorship now going on, on, you know, call it the online right, the MAGA right, whatever you want to call it, the conservative movement.

00:10:28.700 What are your thoughts on, on that?

00:10:31.320 Why did you post that tweet?

00:10:33.220 Well, because I wanted to point out that what we're seeing as it relates to Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and several others, and I'll even throw Nick Fuentes in there, is very similar to what we saw during 2020 as it relates to COVID.

00:10:49.540 That the left had this insanity, that everybody had to take this vaccine, this medical trial vaccine, and that if you didn't do it, you were the worst person on the planet.

00:11:02.860 And we all ridiculed and laughed at them and said that that's crazy.

00:11:06.980 And now we're turning around and doing that to Tucker Carlson and to Candace Owens and to other people that were respected and fighters and soldiers in this culture war.

00:11:20.840 And now because of this lack of comfort with the conversation about what is America first, how much support should we provide foreign countries, particularly Israel, how many wars are we going to get into in the Middle East?

00:11:36.760 Now we want everybody to social distance from Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens.

00:11:44.480 And I'm just not for that.

00:11:46.580 I don't believe in that.

00:11:47.660 I believe we serve Jesus Christ.

00:11:51.360 He's given us his word in written form that guides us and tells us how to operate in this world.

00:11:59.380 We don't have to social distance.

00:12:01.400 We don't have to cancel people.

00:12:04.140 We can beat them with a higher form of the highest form of truth.

00:12:08.440 And that is by proclaiming Christ is king.

00:12:11.360 By pushing this culture back to a more biblical worldview, that's the solution, not canceling people.

00:12:21.060 Beat them with the ideas.

00:12:22.580 Our ideas are superior because they're based in biblical truth.

00:12:27.560 No, I love this idea because the idea that you're saying don't call for censorship and so much lately, I try to think back, you know, what would Charlie do?

00:12:41.620 What would Charlie say in a given situation?

00:12:43.900 And Charlie wasn't a censorship guy.

00:12:46.360 And people want to say, oh, what about what he just said this about Israel?

00:12:49.620 And he said, no, no, no.

00:12:50.280 But guys, at the end of the day, I go back to how did Charlie deal with this?

00:12:54.380 I know I said this on your show, but I'm going to say it again for the benefit of the audience here.

00:12:58.420 Is that when the Israel question first came up and it was bubbling up and it was getting bigger and then, you know, really when the war with Gaza spilled out and it became such a huge issue, it was on the news every night.

00:13:10.500 It's all over social media, TikTok, et cetera.

00:13:13.200 Charlie said, you know what?

00:13:15.300 I don't want to hide this conversation.

00:13:19.460 I don't want to squelch this conversation.

00:13:21.760 In fact, I want to hash it out.

00:13:24.220 And at one point, not to get too into it, but, you know, I played a very small role in setting up some of the debate at the Student Action Summit, the last one that Charlie would attend, the last Turning Point event he would attend down at Tampa between Dave Smith and Josh Hammer, which was mediated by Charlie himself on the question of Israel.

00:13:48.860 I thought they had a great debate.

00:13:50.320 I thought they went really well.

00:13:51.540 I thought both sides made really good points.

00:13:54.220 I agree, you know, I think largely that I think we need to start winding down our, you know, our presence in the Middle East and certainly our support for these various wars.

00:14:03.960 I think that's what America First is all about when it comes down to it.

00:14:08.000 But that's what Charlie did.

00:14:09.340 He didn't stand for censorship.

00:14:10.860 And, Jason, I love how you would do this because you always talk about the difference between tribalism versus being a Christian.

00:14:16.840 And I think that's something you were kind of getting at.

00:14:18.900 What does that mean?

00:14:19.860 Unpack that for us.

00:14:20.640 Well, it's the same thing Tucker's been talking about, quite honestly.

00:14:26.320 It's just like, hey, we all Christians, we should not be tribal.

00:14:32.800 We should not be leaning into skin color.

00:14:35.100 We should not be leaning into many things that are dividing us.

00:14:41.640 And we should be coming together under our belief that we serve Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

00:14:48.960 And that our identity comes from our religious faith, our country of origin, and our language.

00:14:57.640 And if we lean into those things, there's plenty.

00:15:00.820 There's everything for us to come together.

00:15:02.960 If we're going to lean into identity politics and, hey, I'm originally from this country, although I live here.

00:15:10.240 My skin color is this, and so I must be loyal to everybody that shares my skin color.

00:15:15.920 I want loyalty based on shared values.

00:15:19.760 My values are biblical.

00:15:21.640 My values are Christian.

00:15:23.500 I want loyalty and coalition based on that.

00:15:28.140 If we lean into tribalism, and this is what I've said, I think, over Twitter, and I think I've said it on my show countless times to the Nick Fuentes that's promoting a tribalism, then I'm like, why would you do that?

00:15:43.900 Black people in America have become very tribal. 1.00

00:15:47.080 It's not going well. 0.95

00:15:49.120 It's not working out at all.

00:15:50.780 Why would you repeat and think that, okay, if white people become tribal like black people, it's going to go better for us as white people. 0.90

00:15:58.960 No, it won't.

00:16:00.040 We have to come together over shared values, and we have to remove this color stipulation.

00:16:07.340 And, again, take our identity in our religious faith, in our country of origin, and our language.

00:16:16.420 That should bring us together.

00:16:17.980 And so it's very hard to get black people on board with that, but we should all be looking.

00:16:24.080 And I'm an American black man.

00:16:25.860 For those of you that are not watching, I mean, yeah, not watching and can only hear my voice, I'm an American black man.

00:16:32.160 I'm in disagreement with this 90% of black America that is very tribal and is not their kids, our kids, black people's kids, are failing. 1.00

00:16:43.820 They're not achieving academically. 0.81

00:16:45.740 We're not progressing economically.

00:16:47.980 We don't have any unity.

00:16:50.020 There is no unity based on skin color.

00:16:53.400 Unity is based on shared values, and they're best based on shared biblical values.

00:16:59.440 And so this tribalism that, quite frankly, Jewish people lean into tribalism. 0.96

00:17:07.580 And so for people that are critical of black people for their victimhood, Jewish people for their victimhood and tribalism, why would we want to adopt the tactics that lead to a lot of division, in my view, and don't push America forward in the proper way?

00:17:26.720 I just, I just, I just, things that I'm critical of, I don't try to repeat.

00:17:33.600 I don't try to mimic and adopt.

00:17:36.420 And I just don't, tribalism does not work.

00:17:39.820 Shared values does.

00:17:41.180 And, you know, quite frankly, shared values based on Jesus Christ, Old and New Testament.

00:17:49.460 That's what works.

00:17:50.880 And we all need to be leaning into that rather than tribalism.

00:17:54.360 And, and, and you know what, it, for me, I think a lot of this started when they started preaching multiculturalism.

00:18:03.200 And they said, they started saying, we need to, we need to embrace all cultures and every culture is on what, and I get where that starts.

00:18:10.080 That starts from kind of like probably a, you know, a well-meaning place or it's all well-meaning, right?

00:18:14.920 We're multiculturalism.

00:18:16.160 We should respect all cultures, but then you turn around and suddenly you start saying, wait a minute, but, but we have to have one culture and that culture is the American culture.

00:18:26.200 So that culture is red, white, and blue, that culture.

00:18:29.080 Yeah.

00:18:29.320 And of course, like you can look, obviously you could see people have different skin color and people with different backgrounds.

00:18:33.620 Like, duh, of course we have eyes, but that doesn't mean that you can't have a shared culture.

00:18:38.000 And I just remember, you know, growing up when I did that, that's what it was.

00:18:42.220 We were all American.

00:18:43.240 It's like, you know, I always joke, you know, I'm, I'm from the Philadelphia area.

00:18:46.740 So you go to Eagles game, you know, right.

00:18:49.060 That's tribal, right.

00:18:49.980 That's very tribal.

00:18:51.360 And especially Eagles fan.

00:18:53.200 And when you get a, you know, and the giants fans come in and it gets a little rough, it definitely gets a little rough, but, but there's that moment at the game.

00:19:02.060 When you play the star spangled banner and everybody takes off your hat, you put your hand over your heart, you listen to the national anthem.

00:19:10.060 And for that moment, you put that all aside and you say, we're all American citizens.

00:19:16.960 That's what's about having American culture first. 0.77

00:19:21.120 Right back.

00:19:21.600 Jack Posobiec, Jason Whitlock, Human Events Daily.

00:19:25.120 You talk about influencers.

00:19:27.040 These are influencers and they're friends of mine.

00:19:31.280 Jack Posobiec.

00:19:32.840 Where's Jack?

00:19:33.740 Jack.

00:19:34.720 He's done a great job.

00:19:36.220 All right, Jack Posobiec.

00:19:40.380 We're back live.

00:19:41.200 Human Events Daily.

00:19:41.900 You're looking at a live shot now of the West Wing Portico.

00:19:44.660 President Trump about to, about to head out with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, MBS of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

00:19:55.520 We do note that the Marine Color Guard has now exited, or I should say entered the West Wing.

00:20:01.820 So looking for that very soon.

00:20:03.920 We're going to cut to that when it does happen.

00:20:05.940 We're with our guest, Jason Whitlock from The Blaze, host of the show Fearless, and having a great conversation about sort of the differences between shared culture based on the values of the Bible, the values of our founding fathers, the history that we come, that we bring back Greece, Rome, all of this history that we have in the United States that really fused and formed what our country is.

00:20:31.180 And how special that is, and what a project that is, and whether it matters that we keep it going.

00:20:39.040 And I, my contention has been, and I call it multiculturalism.

00:20:42.980 Jason's talking about tribalism.

00:20:44.560 I think it's, I think it's the same thing, because I think the multiculturalism project puts you on the pathway to tribalism.

00:20:52.900 Jason Whitlock, what do you say?

00:20:54.000 Yeah, here's my problem with multiculturalism. 0.98

00:20:57.880 All cultures are not created equal. 0.99

00:21:00.360 And we have to have enough common sense, enough biblical understanding to understand that all cultures are not equal. 0.54

00:21:07.740 And so when I think of hip-hop culture, I don't want to be around it.

00:21:12.400 I don't want to live next door to it.

00:21:14.280 I don't want to be in an environment where people are cursing and calling each other's names and promoting all kinds of sexual deviance.

00:21:22.000 And so it's this culture, multiculturalism that allows any and everything into your country, a country that you sacrifice for.

00:21:34.040 And we're seeing people come into this country that have no interest in adopting a traditional American biblical culture. 0.94

00:21:44.200 They want to just come over here and benefit from American freedom, American capitalism, and all the opportunity.

00:21:51.960 But they don't want to assimilate at all.

00:21:55.120 I love, I've been making this point for many, many years.

00:21:58.160 Take my father, who's now passed away, maybe my favorite person on earth when he was here, him and my grandmother and mom.

00:22:08.080 But my father was racist. 0.62

00:22:11.040 Just quite frankly, he was racist. 0.93

00:22:12.580 He grew up at a time where he was mistreated, and he did not like white people. 0.74

00:22:16.700 But here's the truth of the matter.

00:22:18.900 I never saw my dad mistreat a white person who treated him with respect.

00:22:25.600 I never saw my dad really mistreat anybody at any time.

00:22:30.400 But in particular, he did not like white people.

00:22:32.700 But I saw white people come into his bar, the Masterpiece Lounge, Jimmy's J Bar J, and anybody that treated him with respect and adopted to the culture in the Masterpiece Lounge, my dad's bar, Jimmy's J Bar J, my dad's bar.

00:22:48.160 They all got treated the same and well.

00:22:50.940 And that's indicative of there's a lot of people that claim that they're racist.

00:22:56.020 But the reality is if you exhibit values that they share, they're going to treat you great.

00:23:04.800 When you move into a neighborhood, and you don't play your music too loud, and you supervise your kids, and they don't run wild, and your son isn't trying to get in bed with their 12-year-old daughter or whatever, and you keep your grass cut, no one cares what color you are.

00:23:27.120 Their bigotry disappears.

00:23:31.780 I saw it with my father.

00:23:33.660 I've seen it with white people.

00:23:35.660 If you adopt, adapt, and present a culture that they respect and values that they share, no one cares about color.

00:23:46.020 And that's the beauty of Christianity because Jesus defines for us a way of behavior, a culture that is inoffensive to any right-minded person and allows you to connect with any and everybody.

00:24:04.300 Since I moved here to Nashville five years ago in 2020, and I moved away from Los Angeles, and I wanted to get away from Los Angeles because the place was crazy, and they were celebrating George Floyd, and you had to hate Trump if you lived in L.A.

00:24:22.880 I moved here to Nashville and to Tennessee because I wanted to be around people that shared my worldview, and everybody has treated me well that shares my values regardless of color.

00:24:37.820 That's, again, it's why I lean so heavy into a biblical worldview because it brings people together.

00:24:46.580 And a lot of these other cultures that are very tribal and have a different set of values and have different norms that it's just incompatible with law, order, and a structure where it's safe for young people to have the kind of childhood that I had.

00:25:06.780 I had an amazing childhood here in America, and I was poor, an amazing childhood.

00:25:13.140 And we're denying that to these young people today, and it drives me crazy.

00:25:19.900 It's, I think, God.

00:25:22.460 Go ahead, I'm sorry.

00:25:23.100 Before we, we only got a couple of minutes left, I do have to ask, because the biggest, one of the biggest differences I think now is also, we had the COVID experience, but we also have the experience of, so everyone's locked in their phone, locked in their houses, and stuck on their phones, right?

00:25:39.000 So you're locked in your house, you're stuck on your phone.

00:25:41.380 Do you think that the rise of, you know, we started talking about the online, you know, sort of squabbles.

00:25:47.120 Do you think the algorithms, do you think social media, does it drive this tribalism?

00:25:53.120 Yes, without question.

00:25:54.620 And we're less connected.

00:25:57.080 We think, hey, we've made the world smaller.

00:25:59.100 Everybody's connected by their phone.

00:26:00.400 But not in a real way.

00:26:02.320 When people are dating through text messages or DMs on a social media app, rather than calling, again, I'm old enough to remember when there was one phone in the house, and you'd call a girl, and you'd have to hope that their mom or dad wasn't on the phone, or their brother and sister.

00:26:18.600 Well, that was a rite of passage when you called and the dad answered.

00:26:22.000 Do you remember that?

00:26:23.460 Yeah.

00:26:23.720 But the connections were real, because you had to put effort, you had to put real effort into connecting with people, and then you would connect with people, and everybody would meet at the mall.

00:26:35.060 Shopping malls used to be a big deal, and you'd actually be face-to-face with people that you're connecting with, and now it's all done online, and it's not healthy, it doesn't bring us together, it actually divides us.

00:26:47.860 Well, I think that's great, Jason, and something that I've looked at, too, is that Charlie Kirk, he had a healthy respect for the physical space, that's what he always tried to do, he tried to bring people together in person, because I think he understood that, yeah, I think he understood that if we stayed online too much, we would tear each other apart, and of course, people did not like that.

00:27:08.520 Folks, please go give Jason a follow, go check his show out, Fearless, over on The Blaze.

00:27:14.100 Jack Posobiec will be right back, Human Events Daily.

00:27:17.860 Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack, thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing, we're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who'll be getting Pulisic.

00:27:43.340 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice. We've still got our live shot up of the White House Portico. We're going to see whether or not, or when, I should say, President Trump and MBS end their meeting. I guess they're still, they're still talking there.

00:28:01.100 We know the color guard has gone in. I'm also told that the Jeffrey Epstein vote, the vote on these Epstein files, this situation, it is the motion to suspend the rules and pass.

00:28:13.640 So the vote has begun. And gosh, we're just, is the vote over? Guys, are we, am we getting, the vote just ended? Because I was told the vote was on.

00:28:22.380 I'm like, they're saying they're counting, but I'm seeing, it looks like it's almost done. 370, or no, still going 371, 376. I mean, Matt, I think you're, I haven't seen a single nay vote yet. A couple of no votes, but almost zero no's at this point.

00:28:40.780 I mean, it's 375, so it's obviously going to pass. It's obviously passed. So we're going to see what happens. I want every single one of these files out, and it's very important.

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00:30:30.040 Folks, I want to get in here because I want to be clear about this.

00:30:33.680 This vote, guys, you're telling me the vote just passed, right? I want to be clear about this.

00:30:37.800 There was a Democrat who voted no, it looks like at one point,

00:30:41.420 but then I think they switched it back over to the yes column.

00:30:48.720 And I'm just going to say before, you know, before we get to our guest that I think this is really,

00:30:54.380 this really is the voice of the people.

00:30:57.260 The people of this country came together around the Epstein files,

00:31:02.300 the Epstein case, and have said, you know what?

00:31:07.360 We're sick of it.

00:31:08.460 We're sick of this not coming out.

00:31:10.520 We're sick of the lack of truth.

00:31:12.160 Take the politics of it aside.

00:31:14.420 There is a massive anti-establishment push in this country.

00:31:17.600 That's what's driving populism.

00:31:19.160 People are sick of the system.

00:31:20.720 And Epstein became emblematic of that system.

00:31:24.480 And that's why you're seeing this incredible lopsided vote.

00:31:27.760 Is there a Republican who voted no?

00:31:29.500 Is that what I'm seeing now?

00:31:30.380 All right, we're going to dig into this, but I want to get our guest on now.

00:31:33.720 We have Evita Duffy joining us now.

00:31:36.240 What's up, Evita?

00:31:37.760 Hey, thanks for having me, Jack.

00:31:39.860 All right, Evita, she is my favorite anti-communist. 0.66

00:31:42.620 Evita, why does America care so much about the Epstein files?

00:31:48.700 I mean, I feel like Epstein has been in the back of everyone's minds for so long.

00:31:53.320 And the Uniparty, the establishment, has been wanting us to forget about it.

00:31:57.480 And it just keeps coming back up because Epstein is representative of all of the rot.

00:32:02.360 We haven't had disclosure on RFK and JFK, on the assassination, on Tuskegee, or the Promise

00:32:08.820 Software scandal, or MKUltra.

00:32:10.620 There are so many scandals, abuses from our government.

00:32:14.480 And Jeffrey Epstein is in very recent memory.

00:32:17.360 And he's kind of become the symbol of all of the abuse that the American people have

00:32:23.740 endured and put up with from our government.

00:32:25.640 And to say, no, finally, this time, we want the truth.

00:32:29.180 What is the deal with Jeffrey Epstein?

00:32:30.980 Who was he trafficking young girls to?

00:32:33.760 And more importantly than even that, Jack, because the implications are even wider than

00:32:37.500 just sex trafficking.

00:32:39.100 But who was he working for, right?

00:32:42.200 Was there an intelligence angle here, whether that's United States or foreign?

00:32:46.620 And that, I think, is going to be the question that comes after these files are finally

00:32:50.620 released.

00:32:52.580 Well, and so here's what we have so far.

00:32:55.260 And I'm not sure if there's going to be a who voted what.

00:33:00.760 There's going to be some changes in the actual vote.

00:33:02.200 But it's clearly passed, whatever.

00:33:03.740 It's clearly through the House.

00:33:05.900 And so there's no question about that.

00:33:07.600 Now, we know at the same time that what we're hearing is that the Senate is set to change

00:33:14.480 the bill because it does also have to pass the Senate.

00:33:18.080 And so now there's going to be questions whether or not this will be able to make it through

00:33:23.460 the Senate.

00:33:24.040 I certainly hope it does.

00:33:24.980 And we've got this from Straight and Arrow News.

00:33:26.460 It says.

00:33:30.060 Thune will seek to amend the bill to address privacy concerns.

00:33:33.980 Speaker Johnson said the legislation was written with imprecise language.

00:33:37.440 We could allow for the release of information about victims who wish to remain anonymous,

00:33:40.900 classified information, child sex abuse material, including photos and information about innocent

00:33:45.400 people who never committed a crime.

00:33:48.160 And so, Avita, this I have to say, you know, nobody wants to go after the victims.

00:33:53.380 Nobody wants to attack the victims.

00:33:55.040 This is all about who were the clients.

00:33:58.300 And, you know, it's just been something that honestly, I do certainly wish that it had been

00:34:03.420 dealt with differently at the beginning of the administration.

00:34:06.120 I know that, you know, I've talked about this a million times at this point when Piers

00:34:10.700 Morgan talked about it, but this whole thing with the binders and having us in and then

00:34:14.480 it was like stuff that had already been released.

00:34:16.820 It was just it was not the level of seriousness that this case deserves.

00:34:21.240 And at the same time, though, you know, Avita, what do you think it's going to send?

00:34:25.420 What kind of message is it going to send that if this comes out and there's still pages upon

00:34:29.880 pages that are missing or or pages that are blacked out?

00:34:34.000 Well, it's not going to go away.

00:34:35.600 And I think that there has been a massive push.

00:34:37.960 And I think I think it's a bipartisan push.

00:34:40.040 Democrats have pretended that they are on the side of disclosure and they don't they now

00:34:44.640 suddenly care about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:34:46.160 Let's be honest.

00:34:46.720 There are lots of Democrats who are implicated in these files as well.

00:34:49.860 Many powerful Democrats who don't want them to come out.

00:34:53.080 And so I think it's just it's not going to go away.

00:34:55.280 So all of the people on both sides of the aisle who have been wanting this to disappear

00:34:58.540 are going to see it keep on coming up if we see massive redactions.

00:35:03.000 It's just it's never going to end.

00:35:05.600 And so, yeah, if we don't have disclosure, they're not going to get what they want.

00:35:09.760 And the conspiracies are going to continue to to to fuel, I think, a lot of rage.

00:35:14.300 Well, and I think that's what it is, is when you have a case like Epstein, where the the

00:35:22.260 crimes that we know about, in addition to alleged crimes, are so horrific, are so disgusting

00:35:28.600 and seemingly involve so many powerful people.

00:35:33.960 I mean, this guy visited the Clinton White House 17 times.

00:35:38.200 This guy had was like on a on an email basis with, you know, the heads of Harvard and all

00:35:45.060 these people that are around our power structure.

00:35:48.180 And suddenly we're hearing that he was involved in all this insane, you know, behavior down

00:35:54.580 at the island and Ghislaine Maxwell being a recruiter and others being recruiters. 0.97

00:35:58.580 So the question is, like, are our elites actually that depraved and gross and disgusting?

00:36:07.100 And if so, was this some kind of rite of passage was going to the island the way that you got 0.86

00:36:11.740 to become an elite because then everybody had dirt on everybody else?

00:36:15.380 And it's like, now you're really in the club.

00:36:18.220 That's what being clubbable means.

00:36:20.020 And it's something where I think so many people have just made this the focal point of, you

00:36:24.860 know, of really being able to understand, will the establishment continue or will it not?

00:36:31.880 And I'm still seeing, by the way, I'm looking at this vote.

00:36:35.080 It says 427 for one against and it's a Republican.

00:36:39.020 I got to know who that Republican was because great, you know, great job.

00:36:44.140 You've you know, you've definitely you've definitely been able to, you know, stick your you're

00:36:49.260 just you're sticking your foot in it.

00:36:50.300 You're just absolutely sticking your foot in it. 0.99

00:36:52.020 And it's ridiculous.

00:36:52.880 Evita Duffy, do you think that this is going to be something that goes away even if the

00:36:57.520 files are released or is it going to continue to be as viral of a trend as it is now?

00:37:02.200 I mean, I don't think we're going to get the answers from these files.

00:37:04.540 I'm afraid about the redactions, Jack.

00:37:06.240 And then I also have I also have the intelligence question.

00:37:08.840 And I think there's something deeper going on here as well.

00:37:11.520 If you look at the American people, by and large, these are good people.

00:37:15.240 We are still in flyover country, at least a Christian country.

00:37:18.580 We have very traditional values.

00:37:21.180 I mean, people, the soul of this country still exists in the people themselves.

00:37:25.360 But there seems to be a radical disconnect in the values of the American people and the

00:37:30.640 values of our elite class.

00:37:32.020 And Jeffrey Epstein is sort of the symbol of that rot.

00:37:35.480 Jeffrey Epstein is what we think of when we think of why our leaders are failing us, why

00:37:41.000 they seem to be so morally depraved.

00:37:42.760 The people that Jeffrey Epstein was connected with, were potentially trafficking young girls

00:37:48.280 to or at least was friends with, are some of the most powerful people in the country,

00:37:52.040 still the most powerful people in the country.

00:37:54.220 And so it's become, I think, a symbol of elite rot, institutional rot that's going to

00:37:59.300 continue to be a conversation until there's a genuine reckoning, right?

00:38:02.460 What I'm talking about is prosecution and radical disclosure.

00:38:05.820 Who is he working for?

00:38:06.800 Who is he working for?

00:38:09.120 So many questions.

00:38:10.120 Evita Duffy, Jack Posobiec.

00:38:11.720 Join us next.

00:38:12.380 Human Events Daily continues.

00:38:20.620 Jack is a great guy.

00:38:22.080 He's written a fantastic book.

00:38:23.840 Everybody's talking about it.

00:38:24.960 Go get it.

00:38:26.080 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

00:38:30.080 And we're going to turn it around and make our country great to get to him.

00:38:33.340 Amen.

00:38:36.800 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back, Human Events Daily.

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00:39:57.580 I'm being told that Clay Higgins is the lone holdout on the Epstein files.

00:40:03.240 Republican Clay Higgins, not a good look, Clay.

00:40:06.100 Just going to tell you, man, not a good look.

00:40:09.920 Evita Duffy coming up here.

00:40:11.980 I wanted to get you in on sort of the overall topic of today.

00:40:15.760 I know we have about eight minutes left.

00:40:16.960 MAGA versus the theater kids.

00:40:20.500 That's kind of how I phrased the episode here because, look, I'm all for people being

00:40:25.120 constructive and people criticizing, but there's a place to do that, and there's also a way

00:40:30.520 to run a political movement.

00:40:32.380 And it seems, though, that people wanted to put drama at the front of everything.

00:40:37.020 So they want to have their little drama circus.

00:40:39.280 They wanted to blow this up.

00:40:41.300 They wanted to say, oh, let's do this.

00:40:42.840 Let's do that.

00:40:43.400 Meanwhile, I tried to think of Charlie.

00:40:45.140 I tried to think of when Charlie was around, he'd pick up the phone.

00:40:47.620 He would text.

00:40:48.240 He would figure out every single way to do that in private.

00:40:52.000 And then so that in public, what you would see and what he was fighting for was this unified

00:40:56.380 front.

00:40:57.540 And if there was an issue on an issue on a, you know, something to come up like Israel,

00:41:01.620 you have a debate.

00:41:02.940 Evita, are we are we putting the cart before the horse?

00:41:05.340 Are we doing drama at the, you know, at the detriment of securing victory?

00:41:09.980 I mean, yeah, the short answer is absolutely.

00:41:13.980 I mean, we have midterms coming up.

00:41:16.140 And I feel like some people are forgetting what it's like when Democrats have total control.

00:41:21.660 Like, they're already drafting the impeachment for President Trump once they get power again

00:41:25.480 in Congress.

00:41:26.120 And I hope that doesn't happen.

00:41:27.140 But it might, if we stop being focused, continue on this path of just infighting and drama.

00:41:33.740 The other thing is, there's all this pressure on the president of the United States himself,

00:41:38.680 on our vice president, on members in the Trump administration to weigh in on all this drama.

00:41:44.780 And they're forgetting that the second President Trump leaves office, President Trump, as well

00:41:50.500 as everyone who worked for him, is going to be targeted by potentially a Democrat administration.

00:41:57.240 This is what President Biden did.

00:41:58.700 And you can bet that it's going to be a thousand times worse under another Democrat administration.

00:42:02.960 This is how they play the game now.

00:42:04.920 So if we're not focused on victory, we are securing, we are instead promising our own

00:42:09.720 destruction. 1.00

00:42:10.640 I think it's very short-sighted, very stupid. 1.00

00:42:13.240 And it's especially stupid from people that are supposedly movement-driven who are leading 1.00

00:42:18.180 us down this path of just distraction. 0.99

00:42:21.640 Well, and it breeds deactivation as well, right?

00:42:24.820 Because suddenly you're saying, oh, well, this guy's not based enough.

00:42:28.740 This guy's not good enough.

00:42:29.840 This guy's not going hard enough or whatever.

00:42:31.560 So you think it's edgy and cool, right, to stay home and deactivate and not come out

00:42:38.360 and vote. 0.61

00:42:39.400 And then the Democrats win and we all end up in the gulags. 0.71

00:42:43.320 And you can be like, see, I was right.

00:42:45.960 OK, cool.

00:42:46.740 But guess what?

00:42:47.460 You're going to be in the gulag, too.

00:42:48.760 Like, I just I don't really understand that way of thinking.

00:42:51.500 And I guess it's very short.

00:42:53.780 It's just very short-sighted.

00:42:55.060 It's so incredibly short-sighted.

00:42:56.500 You've got to focus on the big victory.

00:42:59.560 It doesn't mean you're not going to have, you know, you know, family, you know, family

00:43:03.580 feuds, family disputes.

00:43:05.480 Absolutely.

00:43:06.120 But you keep it in the family because at the end of the day, we are up against billionaires

00:43:10.360 who want us all in prison or dead.

00:43:12.940 And if you don't believe me, go look at how they reacted to the murder of Charlie Kirk.

00:43:17.240 Yes.

00:43:17.860 Yeah.

00:43:18.180 I mean, it's incredible to me.

00:43:20.080 And to his credit, President Trump has been has been focused.

00:43:22.980 I mean, he he was questioned on will you disavow Tucker Carlson for having a conversation

00:43:27.640 with someone.

00:43:28.700 And President Trump said, no, you know, I'm not going to do that.

00:43:31.380 I've been on Tucker Carlson show.

00:43:32.720 He's a good guy.

00:43:33.420 I like him.

00:43:33.860 Whatever.

00:43:34.440 Let's move on.

00:43:35.360 That should be the tone everybody's taking right now.

00:43:37.860 There is just a lack of focus.

00:43:40.540 And it is it's going to be, I think, a a a major mistake.

00:43:45.560 No, it would be an absolute mistake.

00:43:48.980 And honestly, you know, it goes back to me thinking when in the Russian civil war, when

00:43:54.840 that broke out between the the final elements of the imperial Russian army under General

00:43:59.460 Rangel and the Bolsheviks, the like literal actual Bolsheviks, the white army versus the

00:44:04.860 red army that they broke down into infighting.

00:44:08.020 They couldn't decide on who was going to be the leader.

00:44:10.520 And some of them started getting picked off and some of them started losing.

00:44:14.260 And they took some L's here, took some L's there.

00:44:16.420 And rather than actually unify together and fight back against the Bolsheviks who were 0.93

00:44:21.660 literally killing their families, they rather fought one another until they got to the point

00:44:27.800 where the Bolsheviks completely swept over power and took over the entire country. 0.83

00:44:32.060 I mean, I can't think of anything that's similar to that.

00:44:34.140 Can you?

00:44:35.280 No, and I think the worst part, Jack, is that we've we've seen an excellent example of what

00:44:39.800 the left is capable of, and that is the murder of Charlie Kirk.

00:44:42.800 In the wake of his death, it should have been a wake up call that, OK, we all need to unite

00:44:47.240 like that's what the enemy is, not just the radical, furry, like a lover of a furry who

00:44:53.800 murdered Charlie Kirk, who has they them pronouns in his bio.

00:44:57.460 But all of the Democrats who celebrated his his public slaughter, his live stream slaughter,

00:45:05.440 you didn't walk away from that scene and say, OK, now it's time to unite and actually fight.

00:45:09.880 Instead, we've seen so many Republicans get mad at other conservatives for having conversations.

00:45:16.360 It's outrageous.

00:45:17.840 And the craziest part is that these are Republicans who are willing to have conversations with 0.96

00:45:22.160 radical leftists who, again, want all of us dead.

00:45:25.200 But somehow the line is crossed and we're having conversations with conservatives. 1.00

00:45:28.880 It's ridiculous. 1.00

00:45:30.140 It is asinine. 1.00

00:45:31.740 And and it's a losing strategy. 0.98

00:45:33.640 No, and you really wonder if there are people who just want to lose, like maybe, you know,

00:45:40.620 talk about different fetishes, I suppose, you know, but you've got the furries, you've got

00:45:45.100 humiliation, you've got all the rest of it out there. 0.90

00:45:47.440 And it's it's disgusting.

00:45:48.700 And at the same time, and by the way, I've even seen it where I spend all last week talking 0.84

00:45:54.140 about this furry fetish and the transism, transism, genderism of of Lance Twiggs.

00:46:00.340 And then it comes out that there's other elements perhaps tied to transgenderism and

00:46:05.240 or at least gender ideology and furry websites of President Trump's original assassin,

00:46:11.340 Thomas Matthew Crooks.

00:46:12.880 And then people say, oh, well, you're not talking about my pet issue, so you must be covering

00:46:17.700 it up.

00:46:18.120 I'm like, no, I'm just following the evidence.

00:46:20.500 Yeah, well, and Jack, I mean, one of the most disturbing, you shared a video on your

00:46:26.060 ex feed from Turkey Tom, where he broke down this Thomas Crooks assassination attempt on

00:46:30.900 President Trump, who was this kid?

00:46:32.720 Finally, we have some I'm sorry, it was not Thomas Crooks.

00:46:36.140 It was Lance Twiggs.

00:46:37.600 Yes, I'm sorry.

00:46:38.620 Lance Twiggs.

00:46:39.160 Yeah.

00:46:39.840 Yes.

00:46:40.400 Yes.

00:46:40.880 So they his parents is like, there's just too many furries.

00:46:44.860 There's too many furries and too little time.

00:46:47.300 Not Thomas Crooks.

00:46:48.340 This was about Lance, that his parents surrounded by furries allegedly because they thought

00:46:53.420 he was possessed by a demon that some of his friends had said when he when he's laughing

00:46:57.820 and pointing to these bizarre conversations with chat GPT and Latin and Greek and weird

00:47:02.860 symbols, he seems to be possessed by a demon.

00:47:06.280 The I mean, that to me was the most disturbing part of this case, that there is potentially

00:47:11.000 a demonic element here.

00:47:12.240 Actually, I think the most certainly is a demonic element here to be able to do certainly what

00:47:18.600 what Thomas Crooks did or or what what what Lance's lover did, Tyler.

00:47:23.880 And so it's it's it's it's spiritual forces as well that we need to be thinking about and

00:47:29.420 fighting.

00:47:29.960 And instead, Jack, we are just so distracted and disunified.

00:47:33.260 No, that's exactly right.

00:47:36.560 It's 100 percent right.

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00:47:42.080 anti-communism and pop culture to every once in a while.

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00:47:48.400 Thanks so much for having me, Jack.

00:47:50.440 All right.

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - November 18, 2025

MAGA vs The Theater Kids： Do You Want Drama or Do You Want Victory？

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