00:09:55.800Had you found Mr. Floyd under different circumstances, you would have determined this to be a fentanyl overdose.
00:10:07.900Saban is in the courtroom, but America's on trial.
00:10:20.280All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily.
00:10:23.540This next guest is someone who wrote a book that I have been waiting for for quite some time.
00:10:30.440It builds off of the incredible work that was done by Liz Collin over at Alpha News,
00:10:35.860who's written and discussed and broken so many incredible stories on a case that we were told that no one was allowed to touch,
00:10:43.800that no one was allowed to look at, that no one was allowed to criticize.
00:10:45.780and you put all of it together and really the worm is turning, as they say, on this case in
00:10:55.760specific detail. The book's called American Scapegoat, How a Corrupt Justice System Sacrificed
00:11:02.720Derek Chauvin to the Mob. The author is T.J. Harker. He is a former federal prosecutor. He
00:11:10.000joins us now tj how are you great thanks jack thanks for having me on well i i i have to say
00:11:17.020you know as i was chatting with you in the in the in the break just there i said you know this is a
00:11:20.900book that so many times i've been telling myself gosh i i would love to write something like this
00:11:26.080because the amount of misinformation and lies out there about the derek chauvin case is just
00:11:32.280absolutely staggering not not to mention the uh the the act itself of what happened that day and
00:11:38.940I've been to that square, you know, George Floyd Square, as it's called today, but also in the trial itself, as pertains to the makeup of the jury and people who essentially presented themselves under false pretenses to be on the jury.
00:11:53.360But but at the same time, there's a tremendous social cost, or at least there was in breaching any of these issues.
00:12:00.280What made you want to write this book?
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00:20:32.840with the author of the new book american scapegoat tj harker this is just something that i thought
00:20:39.980about. I battled a lot of the misinformation online. I'm so glad that you put this all together
00:20:45.480because it's, it's just so true. And it's, it's a lie, not only that ripped our country apart,
00:20:50.400but it's a lie that put a man in jail where he resides today behind bars, by the way, and
00:20:57.460over this, this national lie. And, and I love your title, by the way, of the American scapegoat,
00:21:03.200because that's exactly what they did. They, they said our nation is full of ills and we're going
00:21:07.720turned this police officer into a scapegoat and nobody really wanted to speak out on his behalf.
00:21:19.320And so with this, when we dig into it some more, you know, the question then that a lot of people
00:21:25.740always get, and I went and pulled up his autopsy, what was the real situation going on with the
00:21:30.840amount of drugs found in his system? Yeah, so his death was a really a multifactorial
00:21:35.800explanation. But one of the key roles was the fentanyl and the methamphetamine. And a lot of
00:21:41.720people who sort of analyze this case, if they're coming at it without considering all the facts,
00:21:45.540what they say is he did not die of a fentanyl overdose because he had a tolerance. He did not
00:21:49.880die of a fentanyl overdose because you don't act the way George Floyd acts if you have fentanyl
00:21:54.660in your system. He did not die of a fentanyl overdose because respiratory depression occurs
00:21:58.920five minutes after consumption. And if you research the facts, the maximum respiratory
00:22:03.780depression occurs five minutes after consumption. If you research the facts closely, which I have,
00:22:08.520all of these are actually explained by the available physical evidence. The fact is that
00:22:12.960George Floyd ingested a huge amount of fentanyl, but he did so not once, but twice on two separate
00:22:18.700occasions on May 25th. The first time occurred before the officers arrived. The second time
00:22:23.780occurred most likely as Officer Lane and Officer Kung approached the vehicle. George Floyd likely,
00:22:29.440it seems, shoved speed balls into his mouth as they approached. Now, we know that the speed0.88
00:22:35.240balls were in his mouth because we found them later in the squad vehicle. He ingested those
00:22:41.180speed balls. Speed balls contain both methamphetamine and fentanyl. And so as he was
00:22:46.160being walked over from his own vehicle to the squad car, his heart rate was accelerating from
00:22:51.120the methamphetamine, which was offsetting the fentanyl. He then engaged in a massive struggle
00:22:55.660with the police. That struggle ended with him on the ground because the officers, three grown men
00:23:00.960could not control him, even though he was handcuffed. And they waited for the ambulance to
00:23:05.080come. As they waited, the methamphetamine began to wear off. The increased heart rate from his
00:23:10.900incredible struggle with the police began to slow down and the fentanyl kicked in and respiratory
00:23:16.040depression began. When they conducted the autopsy in the toxicology report, they found 11 nanograms
00:23:22.800per milliliter of fentanyl in his blood. This is by all accounts an extremely high dose. It is a
00:23:28.180lethal dose for most people. One counter argument to this that many have made is that George Floyd
00:23:33.060was a user. He was an addict and therefore 11 nanograms per milliliter was not fatal for him.
00:23:38.040That is incorrect. George Floyd had overdosed one month earlier in April of 2020. He spent six or
00:23:43.820seven days in the intensive care unit. He almost died. He then got clean according to the testimony
00:23:48.620of his girlfriend, Courtney Turnall. He was clean for many weeks and started using again shortly
00:23:53.360before he was arrested on May 25th, 2020. The testimony at trial and the scientific evidence
00:23:58.500show clearly that if you stop using and get clean, you then no longer have the benefits of some level
00:24:05.140of tolerance for a high drug concentration. George Floyd had the tolerance of a neophyte.
00:24:10.200He was a new user. 11 nanograms per milliliter was a fatal dose for him and it contributed to his death.
00:24:16.260And in fact, I've actually had some people who are familiar with this tell me that this is actually a common dynamic that they see in overdose cases where someone had been a long term user, but then had recently gotten clean, but then had a relapse.
00:24:31.940And during the relapse, try to come in at that same higher amount that they were used to, but didn't realize that they had lost their tolerance and ended up taking the same amount.
00:24:41.980I know I can take this much, I can handle this much is what I usually take, but actually it's
00:24:46.980that getting clean that takes away the tolerance and it leads to overdose like this. Yeah. And
00:24:53.040there's another fact to add to that, which is that the testimony at trial showed clearly that
00:24:57.320George Floyd had a preference for fentanyl. He did not like speed balls, which were the combination
00:25:02.380of fentanyl and methamphetamine. As far as the evidence shows, as far as I'm aware from my
00:25:06.740research. There are only two times when George Floyd ingested speed balls. The first time was
00:25:12.120back in April of 2020, when he and his girlfriend could not get access to fentanyl alone. He ingested
00:25:17.560the speed balls, which he had obtained from a man named Maurice Hall. And he ended up in the
00:25:22.360intensive care unit where he overdosed and almost died. The second time we made 25th, 2020.
00:25:29.600If I was just going to say, and just in the last minute that we have, if I remember correctly,
00:25:32.920Didn't Maurice Hall take the fifth when he was asked about whether or not he had sold the drugs to George Floyd that day?
00:25:51.380The prosecution could have let him take the stand by granting immunity.
00:25:54.800They refused, and the court could not overrule them.
00:25:57.460The prosecutors, because they knew that if he that if they had to give him immunity or if he took the fifth, then that would completely undercut their theory of the case that Chauvin was the cause of the murder, because he was worried about the same law that a lot of states have.
00:26:12.480And there's also federal law that if you sell someone drugs that kill them, you can be liable for homicide.
00:26:18.080I wish we could get into this much longer.
00:26:19.980Perhaps we'll have to get you on for a full hour on this because it's a fascinating story.
00:26:23.940Fascinating book. Tell people again the name of the book and where they can get it.
00:26:27.460Yeah, American scapegoat from Passage Publishing, and kudos to those guys.
00:26:31.000They've had the courage to stick by this difficult subject, and I'm grateful for that.
00:26:35.900No, they've done a great job, and kudos to you as well for finally putting it all together.
00:31:56.780Well, I think it's incredible, Ed, and as a Christian, as someone who's been pro-life my entire life,
00:32:02.240this is something where it's you're right there's a stigma that's arisen around it there's an idea
00:32:08.880that it's you know it's it's it's like admitting failure or admitting fault in some way and it's
00:32:14.500it's not it's just not it's about celebrating life it's about giving these children an option
00:32:21.560to have that life and here you are someone who has gone on and and other you know others steve
00:32:29.120Jobs is another example of someone who's going on to be incredibly successful that we all know.
00:32:34.740And had their mother not chosen that option, who knows what would have happened?
00:32:39.340And, you know, when you when you talk to people about it, what do you think are some of the biggest, you know, the biggest pieces of misconceptions around it?
00:32:49.640I, by the way, what you just mentioned, though, 90 percent of adoptions involve an open relationship.
00:32:56.280I don't think they do. And they don't think about it. That's the biggest surprise that came from the Super Bowl commercial is about 90% of the people watching it didn't know what the third option was.
00:33:11.460you would think if you end up with an unwanted or unexpected pregnancy, you have three very hard
00:33:18.980choices. Adoption is not easy, but neither is abortion and neither is raising a child if you're
00:33:25.200not in a relationship and set and ready to do that in your life. So you have three very hard
00:33:31.500options. One of the biggest surprises that came out of the research is so many of the women1.00
00:33:37.480giving an answer about placing their child for adoption. They said, I couldn't possibly put my0.99
00:33:43.680child in that system. Well, nobody in their right mind would put their child in that system
00:33:49.440in terms of how they're thinking about it. They're thinking about the foster care system and putting
00:33:54.860it somewhere where somebody else is going to take care of them. They're not thinking about it in
00:33:59.680terms of private adoption, where they're picking the family and where they're doing that. I think
00:34:04.720that's one of the biggest misconceptions that's there and that it's her choice and that she gets
00:34:09.740to choose that yeah I actually have uh I don't want to go into too much because it's a personal
00:34:16.400story but just a personal friend who I grew up with who um they had been adopted then uh their
00:34:24.620parents went on to have other children that they that when they were a little bit older decided
00:34:31.600to keep, then went on and met later in life. And they have a great relationship now. It was
00:34:37.900something where, you know, they had always sort of been, you know, one, two towns over and had
00:34:43.080checked in here and there. But when they made the connection, when they believed the time was right,
00:34:47.940they did so. And they were able to completely integrate into that family in an incredible way.
00:34:54.620And, you know, I just think for me, someone I grew up with, what would have happened again if
00:34:59.400if i hadn't had my friend and if you know i all those stories and moments and memories that we
00:35:04.060had had together uh you know as a high school friend and uh that wouldn't have existed and
00:35:09.540it's such an incredible and and and look we all understand that life isn't always easy
00:35:14.620that things don't always go according to plan sure got it but that doesn't mean that the only
00:35:23.060it's not even if you don't have a relationship like back when i was adopted in the 50s everything
00:35:31.880was secreted and separate i didn't meet my birth parents until i was almost 40 years old
00:35:37.420and uh but i ended up with a great relationship with them for the rest of their lives and i've
00:35:44.140got great relationships with their children my half siblings uh that i've had had tremendous
00:35:49.800relationships. There's something kind of unique about that relationship. And it's a wonderful
00:35:56.300thing. People talk about that it's difficult for a child that's placed for adoption. It's not. I
00:36:03.700mean, you're getting placed normally into, or I was, into a family that is a loving, caring family
00:36:10.860that's raising you. I mean, people talk about, is there feelings of abandonment or so forth?
00:36:19.540There probably is, particularly when you don't know what the circumstances were, but with open adoption today, you get to know those circumstances.
00:39:28.480I'm live from my bedroom here in Cosby, Tennessee, and it's great to be with you.
00:39:33.100well it's amazing and i i just have to say congratulations on your uh i saw it a couple
00:39:40.120i guess it was over the weekend where you know we get in this post and suddenly i'm going i'm
00:39:44.660on true social i got my notifications on for it as usual and i see the president posting i said
00:39:49.240what president posted he said wait a minute he's posted about kenny cody what happened there tell
00:39:53.020us the story man me and my dad were out knocking doors and like i said putting up signs and i get
00:39:58.780I got a call and said I should get ready for a post on Truth Social within the hour.
00:40:07.240And lo and behold, about an hour later, President Trump endorsed our campaign for House District 11 here in the great state of Tennessee and talked a few things about me being a civic leader and me being a teacher, me being a conservative columnist and an editor here for Human Events and just got his endorsement.
00:40:26.080And he believes in our campaign. And I hope, along with President Trump, we can earn some endorsements and support from across the district.
00:40:32.020But so honored to have his support. It is, of course, the biggest stamp in Republican politics and in elected office to have the stamp of approval from the president of the United States and the founder of the MAGA movement, the MAGA movement that is Donald Trump.
00:40:43.980And glad to have his support and so honored to have his backing as the Republican nominee for this district.
00:40:49.400when when you saw that happen you know this is something where you know the president doesn't
00:40:56.500always get involved in uh state races like that he does from time to time but it's it's you know
00:41:02.320he's built usually more uh federal races or you know governor's races that sort of thing
00:41:07.420what was it you think about your work for championing the just the regular folks out there
00:41:16.160championing populism out there that really made that connection with the president?
00:41:21.440Well, I think President Trump, as he said before, and when he's posted my articles,
00:41:26.260I think he's seen the passion that I have for House District 11, the passion I have for
00:41:30.580the MAGA movement. I think that he knows that I'm going to carry those America first,
00:41:35.860that Trump conservatism to the halls of the Tennessee State Legislature in Nashville
00:41:40.720and embody those values. Look, he talks about how we're going to bring American energy back
00:41:45.060to this district we're going to bring the economy back here we're going to create jobs for house
00:41:48.900district 11 we're going to create jobs for the great state of tennessee and i think over the
00:41:52.920last about the last 10 years when i've been able to champion these values and championing my home
00:41:58.560and embody my home i mean jack you know right after hurricane helene i came on with you and
00:42:03.260we were talking about the need for this area the many different issues that are facing appalachia
00:42:08.680the many different issues that are facing house district 11 and i think president trump has seen
00:42:12.680my passion, and he's seen me embody the Trump conservatism that he's brought to the Republican
00:42:17.560Party. And I think that, you know, throughout that connection, through my work in conservative
00:42:22.180politics, I've been lucky enough to have his stamp of approval on my articles. I've been
00:42:27.940lucky enough to meet the president and him shout me out on Truth Social and on social media for my
00:42:34.480work, for human events, and for the conservative movement. And I think he has just seen that House
00:42:40.080District 11 is deserving of a native. They're deserving of somebody who has been involved
00:42:43.920in the Republican Party, has delivered victories for Republicans across our district and across
00:42:48.280our state. And I think he saw that. I think he saw the passion that I have and the great people
00:42:54.900of House District 11, as he says here, that have delivered 85 to 15 victories for him in 2016,
00:43:01.2202020, and 2024. They deserve a Trump conservative sent to the halls of Nashville and the Tennessee
00:43:08.380State Legislature at Cordell Hall. And I think that with his endorsement, we're going to have
00:43:12.480a very good chance to do that. Well, I mean, it's just incredible. Now, you know, when you're out
00:43:19.580there, though, tell us a little bit about the district. I mean, obviously, look, we remember
00:43:23.560you coming on here when so much was happening with the hurricane, when so much is happening,
00:43:28.700with the disaster that occurred. But tell us when you're out there now talking to people,
00:43:34.040you're knocking on doors, you're going street by street. What is it that you're hearing from the
00:43:40.280locals when they're talking politics? Well, the first thing is, and it's made the main three
00:43:45.640things that I've based my campaign around is for number one, strengthening public safety. You know,
00:43:49.900after Hurricane Helene, as I've been on the show to talk about before, we have to make sure our
00:43:53.940law enforcement, our volunteer fire departments, and all the great men and women who risk their
00:43:57.860lives every day for the people of House District 11, how they're fully funded. And they have the
00:44:01.980backing from the local, state and federal government. Number two, you're going to be
00:44:05.060able to safeguard families. You know, every day, you know, President Trump mentions in the endorsement
00:44:09.020that the always under siege Second Amendment is under attack. And I think that that's one thing
00:44:14.220that I've heard from the hunters, the outdoorsmen here in our district. That is something that is
00:44:18.800continually under attack by rhinos, by Republicans in name only, and they're under attack by the
00:44:23.900leftist Democrats and the progressives in this country. We have to make sure our Second Amendment
00:44:27.140is protected. We have to make sure that we're carrying the pro-life message, fighting against0.94
00:44:31.480And, you know, trying to get the anti-baby, the people who are trying to kill the unborn and to make sure that we're protecting the unborn and carrying cultural family values to the halls of the Tennessee state legislature.
00:44:43.380So we're going to safeguard our families. Number three, cutting red tape regulation.
00:44:47.320You know, House District 11 relies on small businesses. We rely on everyday people who helped prop up our economy.0.95
00:44:53.820And I think there are far too many, there's far too much red tape that needs to be cut.
00:44:58.600But, you know, like right on in November, there's going to be a constitutional amendment, number two, that's going to prohibit the state legislature, prohibit the state government from ever enacting a property tax on the state of Tennessee.
00:45:11.040Now, we currently don't have a property tax in the state of Tennessee, but what that constitutional amendment is going to do is actually ban the state legislature from ever being able to enact that.
00:45:19.940So things like capping property taxes, eliminating needless taxes, perhaps on the grocery tax, are all policies that I'm running on.
00:45:27.340And I'm going to make sure that we have low taxes, we're going to safeguard our families, and we're going to strengthen the public safety for our law enforcement and our men and women in uniform here back home.
00:45:36.420And that's the things that I'm hearing every day when I go and doorknock, when I go to events, and I'm going out and meeting the people where they're at in House District 11.
00:45:44.580Well, it's something that's so obvious, it seems, though.
00:45:48.820You know, it comes down to the economy.
00:45:52.600It comes down to these types of things that people want.
00:45:55.140And that's why I think, and I know you know this, but that's why the president won.
00:46:00.260It's because he was able to connect with people that the rest of the world had just forgotten about.
00:46:06.240Absolutely. Well, my district embodies the everyday American, our factory workers, our teachers, our law enforcement,
00:46:13.400the people who pick up their shoes every single day and they go out into the public and they serve their community.
00:46:18.820And I think that that's why I can relate so much to these people.
00:46:21.800You know, I've been here all of my life. The only time that I ever even was out of this county was to attend college, and I came back here as soon as I graduated to come back here and serve my community, whether that's been as a coach, whether that's been as the Republican Party chairman over the last seven years to deliver for our civic servants here, or that's just been as a teacher and teaching our youth.
00:46:39.920I have dedicated my life to being here in House District 11 and giving back to our region.
00:46:46.280And I think that the people here can see that.
00:46:48.720I think President Trump has seen that.
00:46:50.380I think Mayor Glenn, people like Mayor Glenn Jacobs and others have seen that.
00:46:54.240And I think that I'm going to be able to take those values to Nashville.
00:46:57.020I'm going to be able to not stand up for the lobbyists, not stand up for the PACs, not stand up for the corporations,
00:47:02.460but actually stand up for the people of House District 11 and carry the values, the faith that they have, the passion that they have for their home.
00:47:12.220I've been able to see that through so many different avenues here, where that's been in Republican politics, where that's been in school, where that's been coaching.
00:47:20.300I have been able to experience the best values, the best things about my region.
00:47:25.680And I feel like I can embody those values. I can take that energy and that passion and that effort to the halls of the Tennessee State Legislature.
00:47:34.280And that's exactly what I'm trying to do.
00:47:37.100Kenny Cody, God bless you, man. Godspeed out there. Let us know anything we can do to help you in your efforts.
00:47:44.140Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.