00:35:43.940And I think it was I think it was because they messed up the psychology that the deep programming of feminism in our culture is something that's worth thinking about and studying.
00:35:53.440You know, I recently was became aware of the fact that, you know, when the original suffragettes were kind of pushing their propaganda, guess who their main opponent was?
00:36:03.760it was actually women women that so they they would do these votes across the country and you
00:36:09.960know in massachusetts for example they they did some vote on uh women's suffrage and it was like
00:36:15.48094 to 6 the women uh were against it so uh it's very interesting when you think about this was
00:36:22.860like 150 year project maybe even longer really back to the 1840s it has been so long in the
00:36:29.980making so deeply ingrained in the psyche of the culture that you kind of can't really you it's
00:36:35.500hard to understand for each person where the programming begins and ends so we've all been
00:36:40.140totally propagandized about this stuff and i it is a weird phenomenon when it comes to the male
00:36:46.520psyche and i totally agree with you on this jack men if you celebrate them and push them and
00:36:51.860champion them they will go from boys to men they will become fully formed human adults
00:36:56.720with strength power and authority if you don't if women swarm they will shrink back it's i don't
00:37:04.160know if you want to call that that is a weakness of the of the sex i don't know but there is a
00:37:09.000thing that if you if you cut off a man's development early he will not fully form he will become a
00:37:14.460weak man he will become a shrinking violet he will do all the things that we don't want men to do
00:37:18.940but if you champion him and he gets fully formed he's unstoppable and so i you see this in the
00:37:24.260workplace one of the things that i keep thinking about and blake blake was the one who actually
00:37:27.840brought this to my attention was the helen andrews piece where she's talking about the
00:37:31.640great awokening that the the females are starting to over populate in corporate spaces they're
00:37:37.640becoming the majority in corporate spaces i think we can't underestimate how disastrous this can be
00:37:43.340because there is something about men you see this as a university now it's what 62 percent of
00:37:48.160degrees go to women now at this point like which is obscene when men used to dominate used to be
00:37:53.640like 80 20 it's like invading locusts i i mean no disrespect to the women but you got to champion
00:37:59.120men or they will shrink back but once they become fully formed once they become powerful
00:38:03.160they'll become the protectors of civilization so i totally agree jack we need to encourage young
00:38:08.800men to watch he-man i think it's great it's great programming it's great for the the development of
00:38:13.140young boys minds but um i there is something about women they'll just keep coming they'll just keep
00:53:52.900We're in this unique position where we're able to say and do and think what we want freely and not be fired for it, not be sent to the HR team.
00:54:01.920That's just not the case for a lot of people.
00:54:03.820They have to protect their identities.
00:54:06.160I remember when this debate became front and center.
00:54:09.340It was like Jordan Peterson versus Cerno is the way I remember it.
00:54:13.400Do you remember this, Poso, where Jordan Peterson was raging against the Anon accounts?
00:54:18.600and it was like well you know i mean it's a recurring trend 1.0 i'm going to hold him to
00:54:25.100this jordan peterson 1.0 in 2017 went on joe rogan and was celebrating uh uh anon's online
00:54:34.060and was saying that like these these accounts are great i love it they're so good they they say
00:54:38.980things that no one else can say you need to be anonymous in a time like this like the guy literally
00:54:42.800was like preaching solzhenitsyn who obviously you know lived in the soviet union so at a place where
00:54:48.440the anonymity was necessary or you could uh you could die and then all of a sudden jordan peterson
00:54:54.020like totally flipped on that during like covid okay i i will say what totally happens is there
00:55:01.460are people who are broadly in favor of anonymity or they turn against it and crash out over it
00:55:06.020because anonymous people fights with them online and they can't handle it which i think is
00:55:10.960kind of a little lame and pathetic i think there's also just 100 i've seen people who think
00:55:17.100oh people who are anonymous basically shouldn't be allowed to have takes i've seen that i think
00:55:22.800richard hanani has argued that and then there's also just how to put it like some people just
00:55:32.960can't handle anonymous people existing and i think it's actually a very important right that
00:55:37.100if you have the ability to say something you should be able to say it anonymously period and
00:55:42.640another thing i would add is if you've been around online enough you've seen sometimes
00:55:47.880journalists or activists will be feuding with someone and they're clearly trying to goad
00:55:54.140somebody into giving them their identity just so they can go and mess with their life and mess
00:55:58.460around with them i mean it's happened with all of the lunatic conspiracy theorists around charlie
00:56:02.240they want to probe into everyone's personal life i've seen them do this to random people pushing
00:56:06.420back against them online there's you have to have their ability to be anonymous because it is
00:56:11.400one of the fundamental tools that an ordinary person has to resist those who want to act
00:56:17.340tyrannically against them sometimes that's government sometimes that's just organizations
00:56:21.560and companies sometimes it's just people who have more social power than you but are we really saying
00:56:25.700that the government doesn't already have a list of people with their handles and they can't find
00:56:32.620they have a lot they can't find they have a lot but it's a pain in the butt for them and there's
00:56:36.520weird bureaucratic obstacles that if you tear them down will make it a lot easier for them for sure
00:56:42.180to weaponize but look at prism so this is where prism was a was a thing and was taking on our
00:56:48.460taking all of our data for years before it ever got whistleblown so saying that the government
00:56:55.080doesn't already you know i i will say though it's like this is where i get really torn up on the
00:57:01.340palantir debate you know because they're trying to build databases and get the different agencies
00:57:05.820to talk to each other so that the government is you know no like for example the social security
00:57:11.660administration knows what the well uh welfare and medicaid know etc etc i support that because i
00:57:18.340want to get rid of illegals off the rolls i want to get them off the i want to detect fraud but
00:57:22.960yeah there is a there is a point where you're kind of like i do want to be able to be left alone
00:57:28.700and not surveilled all the time if i want to be you know and there needs to be there needs to be
00:57:33.680align so yeah i mean i guess i'm arguing this from a pragmatic perspective whereas obviously i want
00:57:41.520to protect internet anonymity online as much as possible having been a guy who had palantir access
00:57:48.080and not prism access but access to other things um it's it it like the the the user in the
00:57:55.200intelligence community doesn't have the ability to just like look up anything like that like there
00:57:59.120are still as blake says there are all these like hoops you have to jump through there are bureaucratic
00:58:03.360protections etc you can't just like blanket go after people the way that you could potentially
00:58:08.560if you were like say a bad actor at apple or google and we certainly know that there are
00:58:12.800lots of bad actors at google um probably apple as well and when certainly if you look at their uh
00:58:19.520their founder's ex and the way that she spends her money her the widow and when you you don't
00:58:26.400want to make it easy for these companies to be able to do that number one but number two to
00:58:32.560To Andrew's point that this is where libertarianism fails, and I think we've talked about this
00:58:38.500a number of times, is that they keep saying like, oh, we shouldn't give the government
00:58:41.860this power, we shouldn't give the government this power, and then along comes someone who
00:58:45.080just gives the government that power, and then suddenly they have it, and now you're
00:58:48.920stuck in a corner arguing that they shouldn't have it, but they're never going to give up
00:59:23.720And we've certainly all experienced that.
00:59:26.000We've all seen that throughout the Biden era.
00:59:28.240question, Merrick Garland. And it is where you just need to fight back. You just need to be
00:59:34.640able to fight back. Well, isn't this law, though, Jack? Isn't this law, like, if you're trying to
00:59:40.700look at porn or something like that, you have to put in, like, an ID? Isn't that part of this law?
00:59:47.040I think that's the state law. I think that's the state law. That's currently where the state laws are
00:59:51.180like that i know yeah this is a law that says if you i guess want to download apps you have to um
00:59:59.340you have to put in government id see that that's very uncomfortable yeah i kind of i think there's
01:00:06.660eccentric ways to go about this that would make it better too so for example one of the ideas i've
01:00:12.120liked for uh for adult websites for pornographic ones is you'd have the requirement that you have
01:00:18.160to pay for it even if it's 10 cents you have to actually go and input a credit card into it you
01:00:24.120know maybe you maybe you go and get one of those prepaid ones if you want to get around it but i
01:00:28.160think one a lot of people will finally be attacked with shame when they're realizing i am paying for
01:00:33.980this dirty product and two it's just it's a hurdle that's annoying to get over well so you're
01:00:38.980increasing the commitment needed to get it and that's essentially what the states are relying
01:00:42.900on by having you put in your government yes because you have to essentially take a picture
01:00:46.920of your id so it is that yeah listen i'm all for good ideas to like reduce porn consumption
01:00:54.620especially amongst young people but like when you're getting to the point where you have to
01:00:59.880put an idea and there's just something about that that feels again like counter could have as
01:01:05.800americans again i i think there should be massive massive tools to fight back against this stuff
01:01:10.860but like having to put your idea in to download an app i don't know like that's just it just feels
01:01:16.120like there's uh against the spirit of the internet well one of the arguments i was just pulling up
01:01:21.160some stuff about it was was they were pointing out that one of the reasons that meta may be for
01:01:26.540this so much is that this actually to your point earlier takes the liability away from meta and
01:01:33.580takes the liability away in the way that the state laws are actually are actually much stricter so
01:01:39.360the state laws are stricter but obviously a state law couldn't countermand a national law so that's
01:01:45.160why meta and probably a bunch of the other you know tech companies are sitting there saying hey
01:01:50.600the way that we can beat these state laws is by passing this national law which is actually
01:01:55.100just going to be like a like a thin veneer of uh regulation that you know isn't going to really
01:02:01.140prevent anyone from seeing this kind of stuff but it gets a liability off our back yeah but here's
01:02:07.240the thing like tech savvy kids are going to find a way around that by the way and the other thing
01:02:12.340that comes to mind is like where are they going to go to get this stuff if they're not going you
01:02:19.420know on normal the normal internet are they going to like 4chan chats are they going to reddit chats
01:02:23.900like where are they going to go some sort of dark web corners where maybe they're you know i i don't
01:02:28.760know i there there's there's just like a thousand bad things that can happen if you do if you if you
01:02:34.760start doing this um but again i i support it in in spirit but i just think like so many other
01:02:42.760things that conservatives end up doing from a legislative standpoint the law of unintended
01:02:47.680consequences and they're betraying certain principles that we shouldn't betray um i don't
01:02:52.920know you're here whatever blake thinks i mean my big take generally it's you know we think of ways
01:02:59.480to negotiate this and my big take is basically that an almost fully anonymous internet had
01:03:05.340essentially zero downsides everything we've done to curtail that has been because of panic attacks
01:03:11.060people had that was the internet bad in 2014 because that's how long you go you have to go
01:03:15.960back to basically totally unfettered super anonymous super free internet that's when
01:03:21.260reddit still had subreddits that were and why did they take it away they took it away because
01:03:26.040got mad because they thought it was oh we took it away because trump won because of the anons in
01:03:31.0602016 because gamer gate and then and then you know sort of the online sphere in 2016 that it morphed
01:03:39.080into that became the mega supporters that eventually you know and it's like those people
01:03:44.440kept getting unmasked and it's like oh it turns out that they were actually like people who were
01:03:49.580quite professional or quite intelligent that for whatever reason had been you know pushed out of
01:03:53.980their companies or pushed out of the academy or whatever it was that that's why it became such a
01:03:59.060threat and so we all praise elon for um you know for returning us to some semblance of that and
01:04:05.800allowing that to happen again that there aren't issues with x uh one of which by the way i'd be
01:04:10.120remiss if i didn't mention that i think it's a huge mistake that pornography is allowed on x i i
01:04:14.500continue to say that that's a huge mistake i think that elon should take uh steps to to correct that
01:04:20.160i don't think that it it should be something that's allowed to be shared at all on x i think
01:04:24.700it's bad although i will note it was allowed on their back again during the super liberal free
01:04:28.840speech times as well and i will say yeah bizarrely that's where how much smut is injected everywhere
01:04:35.080in life i will say i never ever accidentally run into smut on x despite being there i don't ever
01:04:41.660see it on x so they're pretty good at keeping one wall problems with x no i'll just say one of the
01:04:47.120big problems is if you're using the advanced search tools that to where you're searching
01:04:51.980like every tweet that a lot of these pornographers then will target like trending topics or like
01:04:59.240city names that are trending and then put that in the description of the tweet so if
01:05:03.880you're using an advanced Twitter search tool which I use all the time that then those tweets
01:05:08.500will start coming up so you won't see them I just typically on like your actual algorithm
01:05:15.060But if you're using advanced search or if you're just typed in like, you know, you're searching for something like, boom, you're just hit with it.
01:05:22.200And you're like, what the heck is this?
01:05:23.500I just on balance think that the ultra, you know, the liberalized Internet in the classical sense was basically a great thing.
01:05:31.180And it's only been downhill when it's been restricted in any way.
01:05:35.380And it's been it's just annoyingly easy for the left to say this is for the kids and they get the right on board with stuff that inevitably doesn't really protect kids much and does open the door to a bunch of other things.
01:05:48.600And even it's just how often does this happen where they say, OK, we're worried about kids getting groomed on the Internet.
01:05:55.020I know that's a reasonable fear to think about, but actually how often does that happen versus, let's say, the most mundane thing in the world?
01:06:02.740What would save more kids if we said we're going to have this strict internet control regime to stop groomers or actually you're not allowed to raise a kid with your mom's boyfriend?
01:06:12.760He's not allowed to live in the same house as you.
01:06:14.400I bet that would stop a lot more child abuse than any of this.