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00:00:30.000 Tonight, President Trump escalating his threats against Iran's leadership as protesters flood

00:00:57.440 the streets across the country. Trump posting, Iran is looking at freedom, perhaps like never

00:01:03.920 before. The USA stands ready to help. A U.S. official tells ABC News the president will convene

00:01:10.140 a meeting on Tuesday at the White House to discuss a possible response. The New York Times and Wall

00:01:15.960 Street Journal reporting the president has already been briefed on a range of options

00:01:20.080 for military strikes in Iran, but is yet to make a final decision. I tell the Iranian leaders

00:01:27.420 you better not start shooting because we'll start shooting too.

00:01:30.460 President Trump says if credit card companies don't lower their interest rates to 10% by next week,

00:01:35.540 they'll be violating the law.

00:01:37.080 On Friday, the president posted on True Social that he was calling for a one-year cap on rates,

00:01:42.820 saying that the public has been ripped off by credit card companies.

00:01:45.960 This morning, federal prosecutors have launched a criminal investigation

00:01:49.780 into Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell related to his testimony

00:01:53.880 before a Senate committee about the multi-billion dollar renovation of two Federal Reserve buildings.

00:01:59.820 Powell firing back overnight, claiming the investigation is really about President Trump's pressure campaign

00:02:06.740 to undermine the Fed's independence and get Powell to lower interest rates.

00:02:12.460 Tonight, the U.S. renewing their calls for Americans to leave Venezuela immediately.

00:02:17.220 Just one week after the dramatic nighttime raid capturing the country's president, Nicolas Maduro,

00:02:25.160 the State Department alerting U.S. citizens to take precautions because of reports of groups of armed militias,

00:02:31.680 known as colectivos, setting up roadblocks and searching vehicles for evidence of U.S. citizenship or support for the United States.

00:02:47.220 oh my god he's done your disorder better leave minnesota tonight

00:03:14.340 Sorter better leave Minnesota tonight, dude.

00:03:18.120 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.

00:03:22.120 We're here live, Real America's Voice.

00:03:25.040 Today is January 12, 2026.

00:03:28.040 Anno, Dominic.

00:03:29.300 Well, folks, just got back myself from Minneapolis.

00:03:33.420 Yes, I was there on the ground in Minneapolis.

00:03:35.720 Had the opportunity to take in some of the sites while we were there.

00:03:41.320 I went, of course, to the area where all of this happened.

00:03:47.000 I went to the area where this deranged leftist attempted to murder an ICE officer.

00:03:56.020 We have to be clear about this.

00:03:57.400 She attempted to murder this ICE officer in cold blood while he was pursuing the conduct of his official duties.

00:04:05.280 He then took steps to defend himself.

00:04:07.320 The left has now tried in vain, I would say, to turn this into a cause celeb.

00:04:11.840 So I went to that area where they were holding the Minneapolis Autonomous Zone, came back

00:04:17.580 with a lot of stories regarding that, also went up just a couple of blocks north where

00:04:22.980 they were holding George Floyd Square.

00:04:25.520 George Floyd and that entire situation with Derek Chauvin, who did not murder him.

00:04:30.000 Remember, George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose.

00:04:33.180 He ingested an extreme amount of fentanyl while he was being arrested.

00:04:38.640 Then when he said he couldn't breathe, if he was telling the truth, that was regarding

00:04:42.820 the overdose that was taking place while he was being detained and then when he was put

00:04:48.720 on the ground.

00:04:50.280 Finally, of course, also went in through the protesters and we got a clip that's gone

00:04:57.380 quite viral now of myself and Kevin driving through chanting a stand with ice.

00:05:02.780 Now, so we saw that over the weekend and we're going to get into this latest from our field correspondent who was on the scene last night regarding leftists swarming and attacking a vehicle which had Nick Sorter and Cam Higby inside.

00:05:19.180 I want to also mention, of course, what are we seeing in Iran?

00:05:22.460 A lot of news over the weekend.

00:05:24.880 Will the regime of Iran fall?

00:05:26.860 Will they come apart at the seams?

00:05:29.300 But it now looks as though pro-regime rallies are being held across Iran.

00:05:34.780 You're seeing a lot of people in the streets chanting, saying they are for the Ayatollah,

00:05:39.700 saying that they don't want the regime to fall.

00:05:42.440 So again, both sides have a say here.

00:05:45.900 And when we did, our tales of regime change happened.

00:05:49.180 is special over the Christmas break. This is one of the things we talked about. We said there's a

00:05:53.100 lot of people pushing for regime change in Iran, but the question we always have to ask is what

00:05:58.680 comes next? You know someone who understood that? It's my friend, Charlie Kirk. So that is going to

00:06:04.300 be today's question of the day. If you want to email us in 1776 at humanevents.com, 1776

00:06:10.920 at humanevents.com. Should the U.S. conduct regime change in Iran? Should the U.S. conduct regime

00:06:19.320 change in Iran? Again, 1776 at humanevents.com. And now one of the other stories that we're

00:06:25.900 tracking as well, subpoenas for Jerome Powell, the Fed chair, President Trump putting up,

00:06:32.700 putting up here. We know that, of course, this was something that he brought up with Jerome Powell

00:06:37.740 way back last year. Remember that hard hat video where the two of them were walking around the

00:06:41.920 renovations of the new Federal Reserve building in Washington, D.C.? Well, as it turns out,

00:06:46.620 as it turns out, Jerome Powell is now facing subpoenas. The Federal Reserve is facing subpoenas

00:06:53.540 for this. This is something that could get very hot if the Department of Justice comes in with

00:07:01.040 an indictment of the chairman of the Federal Reserve. Stay locked in because we're covering

00:07:05.620 this from directly on the ground. Human Events, we're going there next. Jack Posovic.

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00:09:14.760 so i want to go in and guys let's play that video that we got uh and we're going to walk

00:09:21.920 through this situation and then we're going to go to someone who is there on the ground our field

00:09:26.520 correspondent this is direct exclusive information exclusive reporting from human events on the

00:09:32.440 ground minneapolis last night so the guy that you have to understand that you're going to be

00:09:37.260 watching here is left wing streamer far leftist andrew mercado and i want to play a clip from him

00:09:44.000 from earlier last week let's play that clip first you know what i'm thinking of doing with my media

00:09:50.460 guys all the right-wing propagandists harassing the out of them i'm talking tracking where they're

00:09:56.600 at and then just literally following them with a feed they can't fight so they're gonna they'll

00:10:05.160 have security but that's fine security will have to earn their paycheck that day

00:10:09.460 but i think we should just any any of these right wing like nick shirley's we have to follow them

00:10:16.820 around cam higby nick shirley and the whole antifa uh round table journalist bull all of them

00:10:29.140 they need to be they need to not be able to move without the entire country

00:10:37.640 in which people are against Trump know where they're at.

00:10:46.500 Agenda Free reported it. Mercado Media did.

00:10:51.880 Okay, so that's Andrew Mercado, and he's claiming that he's going to threaten,

00:10:56.360 he's making threats publicly against anyone who attended the right wing, as he calls it,

00:11:02.620 antifa round table so i was at that round table nick sorter was at that round table cam higby was

00:11:09.980 there nick shirley was there savannah hernandez was there katie davis court was there andy no

00:11:16.220 julio rosas was there so so many of us were there in attendance at that and many others as well to

00:11:23.580 be sure now i want to play the video for you our exclusive video from last night in minneapolis of

00:11:31.340 of the same individual Andrew Mercado.

00:11:49.780 So this is a video of the damage that was done to Nick Sordo's car.

00:11:59.460 frozen ice that was put inside. And we're going to work on getting that exclusive video from

00:12:06.000 Human Events up right now. But I want to go to the person who filmed that video, Kevin Posobiec,

00:12:11.980 right now, our field correspondent, who is there in Minneapolis. Kevin, how are you?

00:12:18.620 Doing great, Jack. It's icy, but mostly peaceful down here.

00:12:23.120 and uh yeah yeah so that footage that we're getting up is um something i i recorded during

00:12:33.440 my time there last night out front of the federal local building and i really had no idea who this

00:12:40.160 guy was um but really uh it almost doesn't matter because it seems that every protester out there

00:12:48.160 now and antifa cells are increasingly becoming more aggressive more aggravated more volatile

00:12:55.600 by the day and i'm seeing reports even today this afternoon on monday afternoon that it's becoming

00:13:02.000 more and more hot but this guy specifically mercado uh he seems to be one of the organizers

00:13:07.360 or leaders as we can see that he has threatened to call in the whole state against right-wing

00:13:14.160 conservative media journalists and uh you know that is concerning there was also another antifa

00:13:20.800 type guy named jolly a big bearded fella that had riled up the crowd last night

00:13:29.600 so yeah i don't know maybe this was an organized attack uh part of part of the situation was that

00:13:36.320 there was a car blocking their exit, as Kim reported, very similar to how Rene Good blocked

00:13:45.280 the ICE agents then. So Nick was trying to leave, but what had happened was that

00:13:53.680 they blocked it and simultaneously blocked his exit, had three people get in front of the truck

00:14:00.960 so they could spray paint it throw rocks and frozen ice water bottles at the windows and

00:14:08.000 thank the lord above that no one else was in the back of this truck at that time uh or else you

00:14:14.800 know it could have gotten way worse head drama or lord knows what else could have happened here um

00:14:23.200 but yeah there's jolly right there with the uh black and white scarf um the video i'm seeing

00:14:28.800 on our left here so he's wearing that that hamas that's the hamas keffiyeh uh scarf that you see

00:14:36.400 him wearing so so kevin just just as you know want to back up for folks who weren't there as people

00:14:41.840 are watching this video they're seeing nick uh get away there and i guess a woman tries to jump

00:14:49.600 on his hood at that point what had been happening leading up to him driving away

00:14:54.320 right so so leading up to it i mean i was i was back and forth along the line there uh i mean it

00:15:04.480 was going on since before sunset and uh the group of about 50 agitators more leftists uh from

00:15:14.960 minnesota or elsewhere they they would continuously heckle everybody and uh it escalated here um

00:15:22.640 before that there were some some scuffles some flashbangs some tear gas deployed

00:15:30.160 most of the people really even after they identified cam would leave us alone and be

00:15:35.200 like oh okay like you know they're not being aggressive they're not instigating anything

00:15:41.280 so they kind of just left them alone um but yeah i was you know down the block and going here and

00:15:47.920 there um getting other footage and and like i reported i wanted to just interview people uh

00:15:54.640 in in the spirit of you know charlie even um but as we can see as evidence has has long been

00:16:02.160 thrown out the window uh these people are not friendly uh unless you're on their side they'll

00:16:08.720 give you these frozen water bottles and snacks and all kinds of food that you might need to stay

00:16:13.840 fueled up out there against ICE. So this was also after repeated announcements of an unlawful

00:16:21.220 assembly. There were three warnings, multiple times by police, and really every time a federal

00:16:33.560 vehicle would leave or enter this facility, they would be harassed. One of the side mirrors

00:16:41.000 was busted off an agent's vehicle at one point so they are just and and as you can see in the

00:16:48.600 video there that guy it you said he was a woman he's kind of a woman either way maybe identifies

00:16:54.600 as a woman but uh they they just feel like they can perform citizen's arrests and take matters

00:17:00.680 into their own hands they think they can become traffic guards they can block traffic conduct 0.58

00:17:06.040 traffic they can uh what else can they do it's it's reckless lawlessness that we're seeing and

00:17:15.240 you know that's part of the reason why i got involved is because i mean these are these are

00:17:22.040 my friends these are fellow patriots here and you know we're praying that everything doesn't

00:17:29.000 escalate further here but uh there comes a point you know everybody has their own niche or whatever

00:17:34.360 but when you're on the ground it's like you band together and uh so that's that's that

00:17:41.160 answers that for you and here's the footage of afterwards so what they're also trying to do here

00:17:46.600 is draw the foul and i recorded this the other day um after this everybody is

00:17:57.640 calling the police whatnot calling whoever they need to saying that there has been a vehicular

00:18:03.320 homicide and there's been this and that and broken legs and people are just dead everywhere but

00:18:10.840 i continue to gather footage and evidence that that was indeed not the case and

00:18:18.680 everybody is fine uh thank god no none of us were injured i mean i was

00:18:22.760 accosted and assaulted just yesterday with real america's voice on the ground uh at the protest

00:18:29.400 um during our live stream in a very similar fashion but we didn't even have a vehicle at first

00:18:36.040 and jack i gotta say they did honestly the same exact thing but they didn't break any of our

00:18:40.600 windows as uh no no they certainly didn't yeah we're coming up we're coming up on a quick break

00:18:48.440 here so uh let me just let me just put a pin on that there and i want to play that video for

00:18:54.040 everyone because i know that everyone's waiting so patiently to be able to see this incredible

00:18:58.280 footage that you filmed last night kevin sobek field correspondent human events daily there on

00:19:03.960 the ground in minneapolis today you know they talk about influencers these are influencers

00:19:12.840 and uh they're friends of mine jack or something where's jack jack he's done a great job

00:19:20.120 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec, we are back here.

00:19:27.440 Human Events daily in Washington.

00:19:32.480 You can see the shot right there.

00:19:34.280 We're working diligently to get that footage for you, and here it is.

00:19:38.660 This comes all the way from the bowels of Minneapolis, where Human Events captured left-winger Andrew Mercado violently leading a mob,

00:19:49.260 attacking Cam Higby

00:19:51.540 and Nick Sword. Let's play that now.

00:20:19.260 here incredible footage right there clearly a number of crimes being committed kevin posobik

00:20:35.900 got you there and kevin i want to say you know you got that footage you were there on the ground

00:20:44.380 uh obtaining it and i just want to say do you think now we've seen this guy mercado be um you

00:20:51.580 know he's trying to walk it back online right now he's obviously very uh very very worried about

00:20:57.100 legal jeopardy do you believe that it's going to get hotter in minneapolis or things starting to

00:21:01.900 wind down i think it's actually going to get hotter again uh yeah you can clearly see that

00:21:09.420 mercato has been a little startled by our response to his actions of threatening the lives of nick

00:21:19.740 and cam and calling in for other people to behave as such uh yeah he's claiming he had ptsd i think

00:21:28.780 this guy i i guess he might be ex-military but he served for like 10 minutes just like kamala did in

00:21:34.620 and mcdonald's but um i don't know uh from what i'm seeing on the ground today it looks like

00:21:42.140 citizens are increasingly becoming emboldened to do uh these blockages of traffic on their own

00:21:51.260 and harass ice vehicles uh with banging on the windows it's clearly continuing kevin we we have

00:21:58.540 to we have to move on here but uh give people out your social media so people can follow what

00:22:03.660 you're putting out and stay safe there man sure sure thing yeah so it's uh x and instagram and

00:22:11.020 some sec now at kevin kosovic and yeah reporting live from the ground here and don't let them tell

00:22:17.180 you otherwise like people are interrupting ice operations and they're allowed to respond with

00:22:23.740 the full effect of the law all right stay safe out there i know uh i know you don't want to give mom

00:22:30.700 any more white hairs whoops sorry mom i know you don't have any um all right folks i want to move 0.59

00:22:36.220 to our next guest here switching gears a little bit from one pack of communists in the united

00:22:41.020 states to another group of communists overseas i want to bring on now venezuelan political refugee

00:22:47.900 franklin camargo franklin thank you so much for joining us thank you for having me so tell us

00:22:54.460 what is the situation that's right now on the ground in venezuela we've seen president trump

00:22:59.820 of course make these stunning moves just a couple of days ago where do things sit well the first

00:23:05.980 thing that you need to know is that venezuelans are happy they support what trump just did over

00:23:12.380 80 percent of venezuelans actually wanted maduro out and they tried everything that they could do

00:23:18.060 but of course it is a totalitarian regime that oppresses people and that doesn't allow any

00:23:22.700 peaceful transfer of power it is also important to highlight that maduro committed crimes against

00:23:29.100 U.S. citizens. He sent criminals to the U.S., he sent drugs, and he was indicted in 2020.

00:23:35.500 So Venezuelans are extremely happy. They are happy in Venezuela. They are happy around the world.

00:23:40.140 However, the regime is still in place. They are still in power. Trump is trying, of course, to

00:23:47.180 control them, as he should, and he's trying to lead a political transition. But you still see

00:23:53.340 some oppression in Venezuela, and people are not free to actually speak out or even celebrate

00:23:58.780 openly that Maduro was removed.

00:24:03.380 And now, that removal at the same time, though, we're hearing stories that elements of the

00:24:07.900 regime still in place, as well as these colectivos, these individuals driving around motorcycles,

00:24:14.280 cracking down, enforcing for the regime, are we still seeing elements of that in the big

00:24:18.280 cities?

00:24:19.280 Yes, and thank you for mentioning that, because colectivos in Venezuela is a great

00:24:23.180 example of why we should have gun rights in the United States, and why we should promote

00:24:27.780 and support and defend our Second Amendment rights. 0.88

00:24:31.500 So in Venezuela, you have no gun rights.

00:24:33.900 If you as a private citizen want to defend yourself from criminals and from the regime

00:24:38.220 and you want to defend your family, you are not allowed to do it.

00:24:41.940 However, the tyranny provided guns to those who supported the regime, the government.

00:24:49.120 So what you have in Venezuela is that, of course, you need to fight the National Guard,

00:24:52.980 You need to fight the army that are, you know, these extremely corrupt Marxist groups that

00:24:58.600 are with Maduro and the Maduro regime.

00:25:00.880 But then you also need to find civilians who have access to guns only because they supported

00:25:07.400 the government.

00:25:08.460 So this is just a good example, and Venezuela shows the example of why we should support

00:25:13.760 gun rights in the United States and why it's one of the most important, if not the most

00:25:17.900 important, individual right that we have right here.

00:25:20.740 So yes, you still see that in Venezuela.

00:25:22.620 still witness that in venezuela which is of course a huge a huge problem when you when you see the

00:25:29.980 the these colectivos in venezuela and i and then we look at some of the videos out of minneapolis

00:25:35.340 of these antifa groups these far leftist groups they really do share the same ideology and a lot

00:25:40.380 of the same tactics don't they 100 you know something very common to hear is that the left

00:25:46.460 in america is different it's different from other countries from other continents it's not the same

00:25:51.100 Same as what you saw in Venezuela, they tell me all the time.

00:25:53.980 The problem, frankly, is that you are traumatized.

00:25:56.620 You grew up in a socialist regime that didn't allow to fight back, and I was accused of

00:26:02.280 being a terrorist just for speaking out.

00:26:04.540 So I'm traumatized.

00:26:05.860 That's what some people here in America have told me.

00:26:08.500 I can tell you, and I can tell your audience, they are the same.

00:26:12.240 They share the same ideas, the same values.

00:26:15.440 The only difference is in the US, you have a strong constitution that protects our individual

00:26:20.680 rights and you also have a lot of patriotic americans who are not uh willing to sacrifice

00:26:26.920 or give up their freedoms and that's actually the big and and main difference about the left

00:26:31.960 in america and other countries is that here we do not allow them to gain power and to take away

00:26:38.680 those those rights where do people go to follow you and and what are your coordinates yes they

00:26:45.240 can just find me on social media if they type my name franklin camargo they can find me on x

00:26:49.720 uh instagram or tiktok all right god bless you for using your voice to speak out against the

00:26:55.900 horrors of communism we'll be right back here at human events daily

00:26:59.760 and jack where is jack where is jack where is he jack i want to see you

00:27:12.000 great job jack thank you what a job you do you know we have an incredible thing we're

00:27:19.280 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who'll be getting politicians.

00:27:25.360 We're honored once again to be sitting down with Secretary Besson, the Secretary of the Treasury.

00:27:30.540 We're here at a manufacturing site in Minnesota, just outside of Minneapolis.

00:27:36.300 Mr. Secretary, what brings you to Minnesota?

00:27:38.980 Jack, good to be with you.

00:27:40.440 And look, I'm out here at the president's orders to ferret out waste, fraud, and abuse.

00:27:46.060 And Minneapolis-St. Paul is ground zero for this terrible fraud that's been perpetrated on the American people and the people of Minnesota.

00:27:55.040 And we are going to figure out what happened, why it happened, how it happened, who made it happen.

00:28:00.520 And we're going to try to recover the money.

00:28:02.880 And we're going to keep it from happening again.

00:28:04.920 We're going to use the launching pad here in Minnesota to go out to the other states to figure out, you know, this is not an isolated incident.

00:28:14.540 may be the most egregious, but it is not isolated. And this fraud in the children's

00:28:21.120 services and home health care, it's everywhere. So there was a number you threw out the other

00:28:26.060 day. I saw Elon Musk shared it as well. 600 billion. Now that's you think that's government

00:28:30.600 wide. So that's a general accounting office number, GAO. It's between 300, 600 billion.

00:28:36.880 That is between one and two percent of GDP. So President Trump this week asked for he wants to flex up our military spending, five hundred billion dollars.

00:28:48.920 We could cover the military spending that we need because all the neglect that happened under Biden, the forever wars that we've been in for 20 years.

00:28:58.840 We can flex up our military spending if we could just stop the fraud.

00:29:02.140 And so when you come down to Minneapolis specifically, the Minnesota area, one of the big announcements that we've heard is that you're going to take a geographic targeting for any of the money that's being sent overseas from this area.

00:29:17.580 How does that work with banning it from people who are either if they're on assistance, if they're on welfare, if they're receiving it from taxpayer dollars?

00:29:24.460 How does that work from the Treasury side?

00:29:26.280 So, Jack, what we do at Treasury is we follow the money.

00:29:30.140 Yes.

00:29:30.340 We follow the money. And we put away the mafia, we put away the Mexican cartels, and now we are going to put away these Somali fraudsters and everyone who did this. 1.00

00:29:41.500 Not only do we put them away, we stop the flow and we have recoveries. 1.00

00:29:45.160 I was just in a forum with a group of legislators, law enforcement, and people with real children, special needs children's centers who have been affected by this.

00:29:57.140 where the money stopped flowing but what we are doing is we're doing three things so we have a

00:30:03.620 group called fincent the financial crimes enforcement network and we are going to

00:30:10.940 examine four what are called money service businesses storefronts that wire money out

00:30:16.840 they're outside the regulated banking system and we are going to do a deep dive on the four of them

00:30:22.520 that we think have sent the most money out of the country we don't believe that they followed

00:30:27.080 proper procedures and they could be shut down managements could be held liable

00:30:32.240 we'll see what happens two we have something called a suspicious activity

00:30:37.020 report the threshold is $10,000 we're gonna bring that way down same thing

00:30:42.800 that we've done at the US Mexican border which is effectively stopped the cartels

00:30:47.360 from laundering money so we're gonna stop that and then three for individuals

00:30:53.120 who want to wire money out of the country they're gonna have to tick a

00:30:56.360 box whether they are or not on public assistance and then we are going to start pushing over the

00:31:02.600 coming days or weeks that if you were on public assistance you cannot wire money out of the

00:31:07.480 country because if you were wiring money out of the country and you're on public assistance it

00:31:12.120 means one of two things either you're getting too much assistance that you don't need it for

00:31:16.600 yourself and your family the american people are generous to people who are seeking asylum here we

00:31:22.360 do not intend to the support people in mogadishu or to support terrorist organizations or the second

00:31:30.360 thing it could mean is you've stolen the money which is what we are seeing that prevailed here

00:31:34.840 in minnesota now some of the money as well and i happen to be able to listen in to a part of the

00:31:41.320 round table earlier that was held you mentioned that there are indications that some of this

00:31:46.040 money laundering may have gone not only just to mogadishu somalia but actually troops like al

00:31:52.360 shabab the youth i mean this is the group that was conducting the somali piracy off the coast

00:31:57.880 of the horn africa yeah so uh look we we are in a continuing investigation we can't talk about

00:32:04.920 what's happened but what i can tell you is the geographic locations in east africa

00:32:10.920 match closely to the group you just mentioned.

00:32:15.020 And as someone who served in the Navy, as someone who was in Navy intelligence,

00:32:19.580 you know, we would track that obviously using the other side of the house on the Treasury sector.

00:32:24.940 But I had no, it never even struck my mind that money could be actually become from the U.S. taxpayer

00:32:31.660 and possibly going to a terrorist group overseas.

00:32:34.040 Yeah, look, the amount of leakage in the system,

00:32:37.640 and these cockroaches are very good at figuring out like where the leaks are

00:32:42.620 how to how to exploit them and we're gonna shut it down because Jack there

00:32:47.400 are two parts here there's the fraud that the money that was stolen how is

00:32:53.120 the money stolen who stole the money we've got to stop that but then we also

00:32:56.840 have to figure out just this funnel overseas and where's all that going a

00:33:02.200 So part of it has gone to buy expensive cars, real estate in Kenya and Middle East,

00:33:11.180 but part of it highly likely went to Al Shabbat and other terrorist groups.

00:33:15.760 So could you imagine money that was meant for a Minneapolis or St. Paul daycare center

00:33:21.740 is actually buying machine guns back overseas?

00:33:25.340 Right, or for these kids with special needs, and you spoke to a number of them today,

00:33:29.900 kids who absolutely do need some assistance and we as a country have

00:33:34.140 always been willing to do so but unfortunately when you have people who 0.85

00:33:37.820 come from cultures who don't respect that level of honor who don't respect

00:33:42.680 those customs or have different customs and cultures of their own then they have

00:33:46.740 no qualms whatsoever about taking that assistance well it was as Chris Rufo

00:33:51.260 said in the roundtable today 1% of the people are committing 90% of the fraud 0.92

00:33:56.640 and those are the local Somalis. Now, we're also here in Minneapolis. We're on the sidelines of 0.98

00:34:02.140 this. I've just come from the federal building as well. Are you going to stop by there at all?

00:34:07.360 I know that obviously you work with some of the organizations involving in immigration. That's

00:34:12.180 the other big thing that's going on right now. ICE, CBP, everyone basically out of the federal

00:34:17.680 building. They're under constant harassment right now. I saw with my own eyes these agitators

00:34:23.360 creating human blockades in the street. They're creating vehicular blockades all throughout the

00:34:28.440 city while ICE conducts these operations. We also know that there's funding for many of these

00:34:33.380 organizations. Is Treasury able to come in using these same powers to look at the funding of these

00:34:39.340 leftist organizations that are behind this? Jack, that is what we have started a few months ago.

00:34:47.100 We are going to, again, what we do is we follow the money, and all of these agitators who are causing violence night after night, Portland, Minneapolis, the other locations, someone is funding them.

00:35:03.360 When they have lasers that they blind DHS officers with, when they hold up all the same umbrellas, someone bought those umbrellas, and there is a money trail, and we are going to follow it.

00:35:16.260 So Treasury through FinCEN can do that.

00:35:19.820 IRS has a badass group called Criminal Investigators.

00:35:24.020 Anybody watching your show who wants to join, we are going to try to add 50 percent,

00:35:29.480 the more investigators, and they're great because they can look at financial fraud

00:35:34.680 and they carry guns, they go out in the field, and they make arrests.

00:35:39.500 And it was IRS Criminal Investigators who got to the initial fraud here

00:35:44.860 because the state of Minnesota wasn't doing it.

00:35:47.640 The corrupt Tim Walts wasn't doing it.

00:35:50.220 He was turning a blind eye.

00:35:51.840 Well, and that's another question I would actually add back on the fraud perspective

00:35:55.320 because, you know, when we hear a lot of these organizations that are behind this,

00:35:59.800 they probably are working with other people to fill out the paperwork.

00:36:03.380 So potentially that could lead you to nonprofits, law firms,

00:36:08.000 those who potentially even public officials themselves who have been giving

00:36:12.420 or are supposed to be checking whether or not these funds are being used fraudulently or not,

00:36:18.000 yet we see citizen journalists are now going out finding these daycares that have no children

00:36:22.740 and all these organizations that clearly have a storefront, they have a sign,

00:36:27.740 which may or may not be spelled properly,

00:36:29.500 and they're clearly not doing what they're supposed to be doing.

00:36:32.780 Could public officials also come up here?

00:36:35.720 We'll see, but Jack, what's clear to me is I've been coming out to Minnesota for 40 years,

00:36:41.500 And Minnesota Nice has been jujitsu'd on them, and people have either been clubbed in submission or they didn't want to say anything.

00:36:50.860 And someone in the roundtable put it really well.

00:36:55.860 They said exactly what you said, that the payments have been turned into business.

00:37:04.160 Yes.

00:37:04.640 And it is a business.

00:37:06.180 It is a business.

00:37:07.300 They have people who teach them how to form LLCs.

00:37:12.080 They teach them, you know, it's maybe they don't tell them be corrupt, but it is like handing a deranged person a gun.

00:37:21.040 You know, you are showing them how to do it and they are doing it.

00:37:24.620 And what is supposed to be relief and aid is now being turned into these businesses that just skim and skim and skim.

00:37:33.860 And as we've seen, much of it ends up back in Democratic coffers, whether it's here, we'll see if it's elsewhere.

00:37:40.580 And we here on Human Events, we've been tracking the Feeding Our Families fraud case for almost a year and a half now.

00:37:47.060 And I believe there are almost up to 100 indictments in the course of that, as well as one where they actually tried to pay off a juror handing her suitcases full of money like it's some kind of movie.

00:37:58.820 And this I got to say, you know, at least Minnesota nice played out in terms of that one because the juror actually reported it rather than taking the money.

00:38:06.120 Jack, you want to hear the best part of that story is that we had the gentleman, the older gentleman who was out doing the door knocks on the centers with the citizen journalists.

00:38:15.860 Right. That he had that woman had worked for him.

00:38:20.000 She tried to steal $30,000 from him a month into working for him, and she just got a slap on the wrist.

00:38:29.740 She's committed three felonies.

00:38:31.640 It hasn't been in jail, but the best part of her trying to bribe the juror, she was given $200,000 to bribe the juror.

00:38:39.660 She stole the money and only tried to give the juror $120,000.

00:38:43.020 So she was skimming the bribe money from the middle, saying, I'm going to take that as a finder's fee.

00:38:49.180 When you've got a culture of corruption, it's corrupt all around.

00:38:51.720 Oh, my gosh.

00:38:52.420 But what we're going to do, Treasury is going to start a whistleblower program.

00:38:56.940 So we're going to try to get people to turn on each other.

00:39:00.700 So, like, we will pay you to report your fellow criminals.

00:39:06.120 So it's worked very well.

00:39:07.360 If you tried to submit this script to Hollywood, and the Coen Brothers, you know, famous Fargo movie of the money, you know,

00:39:15.640 head they stashed out in the cornfield I was thinking about that when we were

00:39:19.240 driving out here in the snow that I just I couldn't they would not accept it at

00:39:23.020 all secretary Besson I want to say thank you for your time today thank you for

00:39:26.980 your efforts any final thoughts you want to leave with our audience yeah Jack

00:39:30.860 look we're gonna get to the bottom of this it is a cesspool I said in the

00:39:36.040 meeting today it's a land of 10,000 lakes and there's one big cesspool in

00:39:41.140 St. Paul Minneapolis we're gonna clean it up and we are going to make

00:39:45.460 recoveries for the American people, the people of Minnesota, and we're going to make sure

00:39:49.320 the people who get their money need it. Secretary Besson, thank you so much.

00:39:53.220 Good to see you. Yes, he's well.

00:39:55.940 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec, we're back here. That was our sit-down interview with

00:40:00.860 Secretary of Treasury Scott Besson. Very honored to have him once again on our program. And I think

00:40:07.020 the big exclusive coming out of there for the Human Events audience and the news that he's

00:40:11.620 breaking for everyone out there, that when we asked him about those groups, these anti-ICE

00:40:17.980 groups, which are obviously just the next evolution of Antifa, if we asked him what

00:40:24.020 could be done there, he said definitively that the Department of the Treasury will be

00:40:29.180 looking into those groups and will be focusing on following the money.

00:40:34.640 So they are now going to be under financial investigation.

00:40:38.300 Ice Watch, Ice Watch Minneapolis, all these various anti-ice groups that are out there

00:40:43.220 that are training people.

00:40:44.700 By the way, they call themselves Ice Watch.

00:40:46.960 They use this euphemistic kind of phrase the same way that Antifa is a euphemistic phrase.

00:40:52.240 Oh, we're just anti-fascism.

00:40:53.700 We're just watching ice.

00:40:54.780 No, you're not.

00:40:55.340 Because when you actually pull up the training materials, what does it say?

00:40:58.160 It says disrupt operations, try to de-arrest.

00:41:02.120 So the de-arrest tactic is when they swarm either an individual or a car and try to get

00:41:06.440 them to stop the arrest, or they walk in there and they say they try to block vehicles, just like

00:41:13.240 this crazed agitator was actually doing up there in Minneapolis that started all of this.

00:41:19.560 They train them to do this. This is not a protest group. This is not First Amendment activity.

00:41:25.260 And over the weekend, human events caught multiple instances of violence and rioting

00:41:30.420 being done. This is clearly just Antifa under their latest name. And Secretary of Treasury,

00:41:35.740 Scott Besson confirming for the first time ever to human events that they will be placed under investigation.

00:41:44.580 Very excited now. Wanted to bring on Matt Schlapp, by the way, of CPAC.

00:41:49.840 He's joining us, the American Conservative Union. Matt, how are you?

00:41:53.300 Great to be with you, Jack. What a great conversation with Secretary Besson.

00:41:56.740 I could have listened to that all day.

00:41:58.460 Thank you. Thank you. No, I and I could have picked his brain even more all day talking about Minneapolis,

00:42:04.880 the fraud, Somalis, and then going into investigating Antifa. I mean, isn't it so

00:42:10.580 great now that we have an administration that's actually looking into the things that are directly

00:42:15.280 focused on and directly affecting so many Americans? Yeah. So let me just give people

00:42:20.720 a perspective. So Mercy, my wife, Mercy, and I, we met working for President Bush. And, you know,

00:42:27.360 since Reagan, there was this idea that we knew something that was wrong with the federal

00:42:31.140 government but we didn't quite know how to get rid of the stink and uh what republicans did when

00:42:36.540 they got positions in past administrations is they knew that most of the federal grant money

00:42:41.940 would be used for bad purposes and they did everything they could to get the accounts to

00:42:45.800 at least be lower levels so that they would have to give less like stinky grants out and uh and

00:42:51.500 this was the strategy over time it was a terrible strategy people knew that ngos and other

00:42:56.460 nonprofits were using money in ways that was illegal or immoral or just disgusting. And it

00:43:03.700 just got worse and worse and worse over time. The IGs in many of these departments became

00:43:10.380 politicized as the FBI became politicized. And, you know, it's going to take somebody of Scott

00:43:15.740 Besson's character to oversee the overhaul. And this is going to take some time. And let me tell

00:43:21.600 We're going to find out some things that that will I don't know what's the euphemism that will curl our hair, because this I think is the tip of the iceberg.

00:43:31.700 I think it's exactly right now, Matt.

00:43:33.640 I wanted to talk about this because we've this is you've got this new report out, this ranking the CPAC is doing of freedom of speech country by country.

00:43:42.980 And what better time for you guys to be putting this out, because we've just seen the news that the EU and potentially even Canada are now looking to block X because they don't like what Grok is doing.

00:43:55.020 I'm not sure if you saw that headline this morning.

00:43:57.280 Yeah, I know this is a big problem.

00:43:58.920 The Western European democracies with the direction of Brussels are becoming enemies to freedom, not just when it comes to speech, but on all kinds of topics.

00:44:10.840 and we've witnessed what the UK is doing in the crackdown of social media posts on Facebook and

00:44:17.800 other places. Canada is a real surprise to some people, but one of the case studies we looked at

00:44:25.140 is a father who was prosecuted for not accepting his child's gender transition surgeries and such.

00:44:34.580 Think about that. A father can go to jail for advocating traditional idea that gender comes in two forms to the child.

00:44:45.240 This is how insane things are getting.

00:44:47.840 Most of the countries, interestingly, Jack, that you've traveled with us overseas where we have CPACs, have a pretty good track record.

00:44:54.900 I mean, the one there are two undeniable themes to where it's the worst, even worse than Western Europe. 0.83

00:45:00.820 And that's obviously under radicalized Islamic regimes and communist regimes. 0.67

00:45:06.860 Places like South Korea, where a pastor was jailed for keeping his church open during COVID.

00:45:13.220 They considered that political speech an illegal, you know, hate political speech.

00:45:19.160 So, you know, America gets 100 in our rankings.

00:45:22.600 And, you know, we're far from perfect.

00:45:24.320 So maybe 100 is too generous.

00:45:26.640 But like compared to the rest of the world, this idea of free speech that our founders had, it is really a disappearing right.

00:45:36.060 Oh, it certainly is. I'm looking now. So Malaysia has blocked not all of X, but has blocked Grok.

00:45:43.540 We're seeing that the EU and their Digital Services Act, which is this new really just complete taking control of X and possible ban that's coming up.

00:45:54.300 Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the EU, saying that, and by the way, they're saying

00:45:58.680 this because their claim, apparently, they're claiming that Grock has, because it has the

00:46:04.320 ability to manipulate images, just like, I don't know, pretty much all of the, of these

00:46:10.500 new AI features do, but because people have been using Grock to be able to turn pictures

00:46:16.100 of people into pictures of bikinis, that that will then claim, or they're now claiming that

00:46:22.540 that that breaks their deepfakes law and therefore they can ban all of X. 0.91

00:46:27.120 And I'm not joking because this is Ursula.

00:46:29.140 I'm looking at Ursula von der Leyen, the European Commission.

00:46:32.240 Matt, is that what they're really cared about?

00:46:34.600 Or they're actually caring about controlling speech in these countries?

00:46:39.040 No, look, AI is a brave new world.

00:46:41.040 I think that it's fair for countries to try to figure out what the regulatory structure

00:46:45.800 should be.

00:46:47.220 America's going to have to figure that out, too.

00:46:49.160 I think that that is a brave new world.

00:46:52.540 Political speech ain't too new, and it's not too brave to try to crack down on those people who criticize you.

00:46:59.600 Look, John Adams tried to do that in America.

00:47:01.620 I think it was the Alien and Sedition Acts for journalists who he said were lying about him, and that proved to be very unpopular and I think unconstitutional at the time.

00:47:15.100 Politicians always want to have favorable media coverage, and even in Hungary and all the leftists say,

00:47:21.640 Oh, Victor Orban, he's a fascist.

00:47:23.900 I love it, Jack, when they say he rigs his elections. 0.53

00:47:26.340 I always say, I didn't think an election could be rigged, but he doesn't rig his elections and he doesn't rig the communication structure within his society.

00:47:34.220 What he did do is allow other conservative forms of media to grow and blossom, and about 50 percent of the news outlets in Hungary are thus so.

00:47:44.900 But most of all the other travels I do throughout Europe, you can count the conservative outlets on one hand.

00:47:52.360 And, you know, 80, 90 percent of the outlets are Brussels focused or globalist or China funded.

00:48:00.260 You know, they're hardcore leftist.

00:48:03.400 And look, I think the biggest problem in Europe is that they know that the people in these countries,

00:48:10.360 certainly in Central and Eastern Europe, are much more MAGA-focused than they are to these globalists.

00:48:16.640 And it threatens the entire order if that mixes up the European Parliament.

00:48:22.620 And we continue to have more victories like we've had in Poland, in Italy, the success we've had in Hungary, and these other countries.

00:48:31.300 We had a couple more successes recently, as we've had in the Western Hemisphere, too.

00:48:35.720 I mean, freedom's on the rise, but big companies and big regulators are going to try to stop it.

00:48:42.440 And, of course, I'm just noticing, by the way, as I was sort of pulling some of the headlines on this,

00:48:47.480 that Poland's president, Nowrowski, came out and says that he does not support the EU law,

00:48:52.540 and he will be working to stop implementation of that, the Digital Services Act, in Poland.

00:48:59.160 And so once again, just shows the importance of CPAC, shows the importance of supporting

00:49:03.100 conservative candidates, candidates who back freedom, candidates who back, which these

00:49:07.920 ideas, which we used to think weren't a partisan issue, like freedom of speech, the ability

00:49:14.120 to share your information.

00:49:15.300 And by the way, I was thinking about this as you were talking.

00:49:17.820 So they're talking about banning X over the image manipulation feature.

00:49:22.900 And I just want to know, so is the EU banning all AI apps that have image manipulation?

00:49:28.180 Are they banning Photoshop?

00:49:29.520 Are they banning like every single program that anyone could use?

00:49:32.760 Oh, they're not.

00:49:33.300 So they're really just selectively focusing on Elon Musk because they can and because they clearly want to.

00:49:40.540 Matt, tell everybody where they can go to get information on this report and, of course, to find out the latest on CPAC.

00:49:47.140 Go to CPAC.org.

00:49:48.900 Our big national convention is going to be in the Dallas-Fort Worth area this year at the end of March.

00:49:54.960 So, Jack, you literally can pack your bikini.

00:49:58.180 uh for cpac this year it's usually freezing cold in washington dc and if you have to use

00:50:03.300 a filter to enhance that photo we believe in freedom oh no no filters needed matt no filters

00:50:09.140 needed no no i'm gonna be i'm gonna be showing up in my speedo just for you matt you know i remember

00:50:15.780 oh my i remember steve hayes making a prediction about wearing a speedo if trump ever won the

00:50:21.060 presidency i don't ever think he held to that uh well maybe grok can help us with that match lap

00:50:26.500 everyone. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - January 12, 2026

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Interview： Anti-ICE Group Funding is under Investigation

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