Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Trump Peace Bump, 2028 Proxy War on Vance

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00:00:42.980 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:49.680 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:52.720 Christ is king.

00:00:54.280 A major twist just months before the high-profile murder trial of accused killer Luigi Mangione.

00:01:00.660 His attorney now mounting a psychiatric defense, arguing Mangione was under extreme emotional disturbance

00:01:07.000 and not in control of himself when he allegedly killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

00:01:13.100 Mangione in court Wednesday as the judge revealed the new defense strategy

00:01:16.720 and ordered Mangione's team to turn over all of his psychiatric records immediately.

00:01:21.480 For too long, NATO has been a paper tiger and a one-way street. No more.

00:01:29.720 And that's what the Hague Summit is all about. That's what defense spending commitments are all about.

00:01:34.880 Transforming NATO back into a real military alliance that's focused on hard power and real deterrence.

00:01:43.000 A NATO 3.0.

00:01:45.560 Modeled on the NATO 1.0 that won the Cold War.

00:01:49.300 with our allies actually taking the lead in Europe's conventional defense.

00:01:54.660 President Trump's pick to lead the Federal Reserve, Kevin Walsh,

00:01:58.640 is leaving interest rates unchanged for now.

00:02:01.840 In his first policy decision as Fed chair,

00:02:04.840 Walsh announced that interest rates will remain in the current range of 3.5 to 3.75 percent.

00:02:10.700 This, to me, is one of the most stunning divides that we have.

00:02:14.780 So what do they say about the flake?

00:02:16.660 even on the basic level of flag. Look at this. Look at how we have an increasing polarization

00:02:22.180 on this issue. We'll display the flag on July 4th, the American flag. Back in July of 2001,

00:02:28.780 look at this. You had 68% of Republicans, 65% of Democrats saying that they would in fact display

00:02:34.280 the flag on July 4th. You come over to this side of the screen, Republicans basically are where

00:02:39.540 they were 25 years ago, right? 64%. But look at that Democratic percentage, absolutely plummeting,

00:02:45.800 Just 27 percent of Democrats say they will, in fact, display the flag on July 4th.

00:02:52.100 This morning, President Trump putting pen to paper inside the Palace of Versailles,

00:02:56.980 signing the 14-point Memorandum of Understanding to end the war with Iran,

00:03:01.560 alongside French President Emmanuel Macron.

00:03:04.220 This was not easy.

00:03:10.740 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.

00:03:14.060 We're here live on Real America's Voice.

00:03:17.320 Today is June 18th, 2026.

00:03:20.240 Anno Domine, here in the free United States of America.

00:03:27.780 Ladies and gentlemen, MAGA World Peace.

00:03:30.800 We're talking about MAGA World Peace on the menu, and my gosh, my golly, my gee whiz,

00:03:37.440 holy crow, as somebody very important used to say.

00:03:41.480 president trump has done the unthinkable president trump has done what they said

00:03:47.620 was impossible they said it couldn't be done but president trump right there

00:03:52.620 the palace of versailles itself signing the document enshrining the current peace deal

00:04:01.780 with iran but also ensures regional stability and let me tell you something right now

00:04:08.000 the neocons are losing their ever-loving minds. The panicans are doing what they do.

00:04:16.020 They are panicking. They are melting down, screaming, crying, throwing up,

00:04:20.980 smashing their hands into any nearby drywall. I heard that one actually tried to pull his

00:04:28.280 flat-screen TV, it's told, from his wall, but he didn't have the upper arm strength to do so,

00:04:34.840 But instead, he just sort of just sort of, you know, shook his fist at it, at it really hard and threw his Roku remote at it.

00:04:42.680 There's very disturbing reports coming in. Very disturbing.

00:04:46.340 President Trump signed a peace deal. And now J.D. Vance, the vice president, is up there at the White House and conducting yet another master class.

00:04:56.940 It's master class after master class from the vice president.

00:05:00.840 not only is he showing you how to deal with the harpies at the view, he is showing you how to deal

00:05:07.540 with the harpies in the press corps, how to deal with the warmongers. And I think what he said to

00:05:11.840 Israel was very important. He said, President Trump is one of the last world leaders, powerful

00:05:16.680 world leaders, who is sympathetic to the state of Israel. And so to these Knesset members that

00:05:24.360 are speaking out against him, they better think carefully about that. They better think very

00:05:28.520 carefully about speaking out against one of the only world leaders that is still sympathetic to

00:05:35.540 the state of Israel. Is this going to be a deal that satisfies everyone? No. And as Scott Adams

00:05:41.760 told us, that was always the point. You're never going to get to a deal that fully satisfies every

00:05:48.740 person in a coalition. He also would point out that you have to compare this deal with the

00:05:54.760 immediate prior deal. You also have to compare it to the immediate prior status quo. You can't

00:06:00.140 compare it to some deal that exists in far-off fantasy land. This deal is the best Iran deal

00:06:09.320 that we have ever seen in our lifetimes. In our lifetimes. How can you possibly be against

00:06:19.660 turning off these military operations, returning the focus back here to America first and returning

00:06:26.880 the focus back to the main quest of mass deportations from the United States.

00:06:34.080 We need full remigration. Greg Bovino's out there talking about it,

00:06:38.620 hanging out the tomb of Vlad the Impaler. We need all of it. The neocons, they are losing

00:06:44.160 their minds. And look, we are going to verify every piece of this. We're going to inspect.

00:06:48.780 We're going to make sure everything is clear.

00:06:50.780 You have the United States military, the world's finest Navy sitting right there, two aircraft carriers.

00:06:55.540 We understand the score.

00:06:56.980 President Trump understands the score.

00:06:59.440 But that's why President Trump was elected.

00:07:02.660 And if you don't like it, by the way, it's the United States.

00:07:06.140 Go ahead and run for president here yourself.

00:07:09.460 Jack Osobic back, Human Events Daily, just one second.

00:07:18.200 We'll be right back.

00:07:48.200 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back, live human events daily, Real America's Voice.

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00:09:34.320 So there's so much going on right now with one war ending, but I feel as though there's another proxy war that's begun, and that's the proxy war on J.D. Vance for 2028, and it's remarkable.

00:09:52.020 You see this proxy war just coming out of nowhere where people all of a sudden are all over conservative media, all over, but but big names, well-known individuals trying to cancel J.D. Vance, saying that he's not done a good job as vice president.

00:10:08.920 Are you kidding me?

00:10:10.240 Are you kidding me?

00:10:12.200 J.D. Vance is the best vice president I've ever seen in my life.

00:10:17.200 J.D. Vance is the best vice president that this country has seen since Teddy Roosevelt.

00:10:25.120 Remember, Teddy Roosevelt was VP, and then McKinley was shot by an anarchist, by the

00:10:29.440 way, anarcho-socialist, and that's how he became our president.

00:10:31.940 Now, J.D. Vance is phenomenal, and you'll look at what he did there.

00:10:37.660 I got to say, for my money, the view is good.

00:10:41.080 The podcasts he's done lately are good, but today in the White House press conference,

00:10:46.220 that was jd vance showing command he commanded the room it wasn't just back and forth no it was

00:10:55.140 command of the room and that's what i loved seeing and yet you see these people that are just they're

00:11:01.540 crapping on him they're attacking and there's foreign operations you can go and i'm finding

00:11:05.520 on twitter now uh account based in west asia is says i hate jd vance really like what do you mean

00:11:12.920 some kind of bot or some kind of guy that's based in West Asia is all over Twitter, all over X,

00:11:18.800 attacking the vice president. It's almost like, I don't know, it's almost like there's a proxy

00:11:22.820 war going on for influence in the 2028 primary, the same way we saw this in 2023 for people

00:11:30.060 undercutting President Trump. Someone who knows indelibly what I'm speaking of and all the history

00:11:36.120 here, the backstory, and sees the tea leaves the way they are is Rich Barris, the people's pundit

00:11:42.080 from Big Data Poll. He joins us now. Rich, how are you? Living the dream, brother. Thanks for

00:11:46.460 having me on as always. Rich, so, you know, before we dig into this, I do want to let people know

00:11:53.180 that you and Joshua Lysak have an incredible, incredible new book that is out right now. It's

00:12:03.280 called Burn It Down. What is this new book about? You know, Jack, it couldn't be more

00:12:09.120 oppression and people should go and pre-order it now. It'll be out September 21st. This fight over,

00:12:14.740 and you just mentioned the proxy fight with the vice president, it's a perfect example.

00:12:18.320 The debate over the war, another great example. This is about how we sometimes get a little bit

00:12:23.960 comfortable and get a little bit complacent. But the truth of the matter is a large part of what

00:12:29.100 makes up the Republican base has changed considerably. And soon that generation that's

00:12:34.820 been in command of the electorate is going to phase out of the electorate that is my nice way

00:12:39.940 of saying that things happen you know father time comes in and all of us are subject to him

00:12:45.540 and what we'll see replace that is going to be radically different than anything we have seen

00:12:51.760 before and donald trump and jd vance's victory in 2024 gave republicans gave the right-wing

00:12:57.540 coalition in this country an incredible opportunity to seize control of it to take advantage of it

00:13:03.160 build a strong coalition that can endure for decades to come and if they don't do it that's

00:13:09.980 going to be more than problematic it could act it could seriously uh threaten the viability of

00:13:16.200 the republican party as a national force but if they do the right thing if they pay attention

00:13:20.360 and they stay the course they'll dominate i think it's exactly right and i commend you for putting

00:13:26.380 the book out but because rich you know when i look at some of this look i was at the ufc event

00:13:30.440 And I was walking around, I was talking to guys and, you know, I just sort of look anecdotally.

00:13:35.420 Right. So I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, I'm surrounded by the exact type of low prop voters that the president needed in 2024 that you and me were talking about every single day in 2024, that Charlie Kirk was doing everything he could to reach out to to turn out.

00:13:51.460 Bruiser Woods was getting the president on all those podcasts to try to get him at full send and, you know, all the different all the different shows.

00:13:59.340 And and J.D. Vance, the vice president, of course, was going on a lot of these shows as well.

00:14:02.900 And I said, let's let's see what the what the UFC audience type guy, you know, these these masculine, you know, toxic masculine individuals are talking about.

00:14:14.180 And they said, you know, we like Trump. We like UFC. But, you know, what's going on with this war thing?

00:14:19.160 You know, why are we doing this war? Right. That was it was it was like it wasn't so much that they were anti-Israel or any of that.

00:14:28.500 It was just why are we doing this? What's what's what's going on?

00:14:30.960 Just confusion because it seemed to be something that they did not think was in the cards.

00:14:37.500 And I predict. And it's just me looking at it, that when this thing is done and by the way, it doesn't surprise me.

00:14:43.780 it certainly doesn't miss me that the peace deal was originally announced on june 14th the same as

00:14:49.420 the president's birthday birthday of the army the birthday of uh flag day that's like a birthday

00:14:55.620 american flag and uh the ufc event that that peace deal was announced rich do you think that

00:15:04.120 the president is going to be able to bring some of those guys back on board it certainly feels like

00:15:08.760 he's making a play for it no i do and that again you know that you have these certain generational

00:15:14.940 groups right so we're looking at a huge chunk of gen x which will be dominant very soon and then

00:15:21.640 everything from millennial down is filled with those voters and there are only two things that

00:15:27.420 are going to happen you know you're going to follow donald trump's lead vice president vance's

00:15:31.400 lead uh and you'll be able to capitalize on that those attitudinally jack it's not again i think a

00:15:37.800 lot of people made this about you know the whether people love or support uh israel or don't and the

00:15:44.340 to be truthful these voters don't really give them that much thought at all they didn't until it what

00:15:50.960 they perceived you know they came in and hijacked this is how they perceive it hijacked their agenda

00:15:56.020 their presidency because donald trump represented a complete course correction and an about face

00:16:02.420 from the direction that prior leaders including barack obama have taken this country and if you

00:16:07.780 don't follow that lead, then you're going to end up going in reverse and regressing to the,

00:16:12.320 you know, the pre-Trump Republican Party, which is represented by basically anyone but J.D. Vance.

00:16:18.280 Let's just say it out loud right now. And they will lose and they will lose badly. And those

00:16:23.840 voters that you were sitting with, many of them will just not vote. They just won't show up.

00:16:29.460 And even worse, many of them can be persuaded by new up and comers in the Democratic Party that

00:16:36.540 are not part of the old guard like the John Ossoffs for instance he's a that's a dangerous guy right

00:16:41.640 there I hate to tell everybody but they'll be persuaded by people like him who are basically

00:16:46.060 trying to fake MAGA give their own left-wing version of MAGA in the book we also bring up

00:16:52.320 Mamdani folks I think you'd be surprised how many Trump Mamdani voters there were in the New York

00:16:58.380 City mayoral race and that's because Mamdani said listen enough with Israel why is Israel

00:17:03.240 dominating the race of a New York City mayoral contest. This is ridiculous. I'm talking about

00:17:08.180 housing. I'm talking about affordability across the board, medical, everything. This is what

00:17:13.280 people who run an office for this country should care about, not what is going on or the survival

00:17:19.120 of another country or even the long-term strategic security goals of another country that don't

00:17:26.940 align with ours. It's that simple. It's nothing to do with whether they like the country or love

00:17:32.020 the country. They didn't give it two thoughts, Jack, until we got here, which is why, again,

00:17:37.440 I just want to reiterate what you said about the vice president. God bless him. It's not

00:17:43.280 without question, he's the best vice president in our lifetime. He's the most responsive vice

00:17:48.260 president in our lifetime. The Roosevelt comparison, I love. And when it comes down to

00:17:53.400 it, a lot of the people who are criticizing him now are also the same people who criticize Donald

00:17:58.040 trump for picking him as the vice presidential nominee when those of us who have a better grip

00:18:03.440 on how the voters of this country think and what motivates them what their goals and fears are

00:18:08.100 when those of us you know told them at the time and pushed back and argued no this is exactly what

00:18:14.220 the president needed he's the first millennial midwest and he articulates i mean you saw him

00:18:19.320 today at the press conference it was massive he did a phenomenal job command performance field

00:18:23.980 right now jd vance the vice president at at that podium today it was a command performance

00:18:30.560 it was a performance that it was it was better than the view it was better than any of these

00:18:36.200 podcasts that he's done that right there from i mean the bully pulpit of the white house it is

00:18:41.500 what it is with the red tie showing command of the room able to joust back and forth but actually

00:18:48.700 hold the room in the palm of his hand that right there showed me that is uh what what can i say

00:18:55.440 that's uh that's heavyweight contention he's a heavyweight contender ladies and gentlemen

00:19:01.200 he's got what it takes for a shot at the big one jack was so big right back human events daily

00:19:18.700 you know they talk about influences these are influences and uh they're friends of mine

00:19:36.360 jack you're so like where's jack jack he's done a great job

00:19:42.140 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back live, human events, daily Real America's Voice.

00:19:51.880 We're on with Rich Barrett.

00:19:52.860 So, Rich, you know, I mean, you look at the presidential field in 2028 and you just have to say J.D. Vance's main event status.

00:20:03.180 He just really is. He absolutely is.

00:20:05.620 And he's seen some of these people who are just shrinking back into the wallpaper as events do not go their way.

00:20:13.400 And you've got these guys now trying to undercut the vice president because they don't like that their brand of conservatism, neoconservatism, is being put on the backseat.

00:20:25.260 And President Trump has found this sort of third way between neoconservatism and isolationism, where it's just America first foreign policy.

00:20:34.240 you know we're gonna we're gonna intervene we're gonna poke we're gonna dip our toes in where we

00:20:38.280 need to show uh show power on the world stage but also understand that when when things have gotten

00:20:45.460 to a certain point you know we cut the deal we move on and that's what the president understands

00:20:49.900 that's called leadership rich as you're looking at at some of the stuff i understand you guys are

00:20:55.540 in the field right now talking to voters uh love to hear what uh love to hear what your uh what

00:21:02.340 your responses are, if any, on on the news of this deal. Oh, they got thoughts, Jack. They got they

00:21:08.800 got opinions. It'll be out Monday, Tuesday. But we did want to start early when this was first

00:21:13.980 announced because we wanted to see how it changed, how opinions and preference sentiment changed as

00:21:19.300 more became known about the deal and as the White House had a chance to sell it. So while we were in

00:21:24.440 the field, instinctively, you could tell that this was popular. And, you know, to me as a pollster,

00:21:29.640 i've been pulling the iran war before and after it started the the strikes last year instinctively

00:21:34.780 i kind of i figured that would be the case because the war itself wasn't popular but over time you

00:21:40.020 can see it's getting the deal and the idea the concept that what vance is out there selling as

00:21:46.480 the president's vision and what he thinks why are we doing this right while he's taking so much

00:21:51.040 criticism even from supposedly his own party is growing so support for it is growing which tells

00:21:57.400 you any pollster knows that tells you Vance is being effective and he's getting it he's getting

00:22:02.120 the job done it started at one point and I can give some away I mean it started at about like

00:22:07.380 60 percent yeah I think I like this because ultimately I just want gas prices to come down

00:22:11.960 foreign policy as they have been telling us is not their main concern they didn't see this imminent

00:22:17.480 threat from Iran so the the neocon wing never sold this threat that they tried to sell you

00:22:24.340 And we can remember some people being on their Fox Sunday shows claiming that Iran could not only send the nuke, they could send it to Chicago, Illinois.

00:22:32.140 Like, nobody believed that, which would be good because it's not true.

00:22:36.580 But ultimately, as the vice president kept talking, we're now at like 70 percent, Jack.

00:22:41.700 And we'll see where we end up.

00:22:42.820 But let me just give you some numbers.

00:22:44.520 The vice president had a commanding lead for the nomination.

00:22:48.420 It's historically high.

00:22:49.820 It had tightened somewhat during this war.

00:22:52.520 to just, you know, he felt it just below 40%, where he's been as high as 55 in our polling.

00:22:58.920 Now he's popping back up. His lead is growing. The second contender was Rubio during one period

00:23:04.760 where he got into the low teens. He's receding again. But really, most importantly, because

00:23:10.120 November is around the corner, the generic ballot is already tightening. It's nowhere near where it

00:23:15.220 needs to be, but it's already tightening. And the president's approval rating is going to be

00:23:19.680 above 42% for the first time in months in our polling, in months. And I got to tell you,

00:23:26.880 throughout this war, the president's had a hard time cracking 40, let alone 42. I actually think,

00:23:32.220 I don't want to give it away, but I think I'm looking at like a 10 point bump right here,

00:23:35.760 Jack. That's crazy. We haven't even seen the details. A 10 point bump for the president?

00:23:43.460 Not even kidding. Right now, it looks like to me, if I had to estimate it, last time we were

00:23:47.660 at negative 18 it was bad it was looking bad this is like negative eight right now which is insane

00:23:53.520 he could end up in the mid to high 40s with very much lower disapproval during this war his

00:23:59.760 disapproval shot close to 60 in our polling that's fatal territory so the president course corrected

00:24:05.840 perfectly or perfect you know right before that happened thank thank the lord um and he's gonna

00:24:11.980 this is going to turn around to look like very typical second term incumbency which is where

00:24:18.680 you want to be i mean you didn't mean that's it i mean it takes time for a president after they

00:24:23.740 leave that honeymoon it takes time for them to to fall and that second term fatigue comes in

00:24:28.560 a war accelerates that if he did reverse this i don't i don't think i can give you the last time

00:24:35.720 i can yeah there i don't think there is an example i really don't historically i don't think you'll

00:24:40.280 see a recovery like that george bush would you call it rich would you call it just never would

00:24:44.520 you call this uh would you call this a peace bump that's let's call it the peace bump because it's

00:24:50.600 going to be a bump the question is the peace bump ladies and gentlemen let's call it you're seeing

00:24:54.820 a peace bump for president trump peace bump for president trump oh that's it i'm done i'm even

00:25:01.500 gonna use that on my press release headline jack if you don't mind this is what i do man this is

00:25:06.560 what i do yes yes you ask all you ask everybody in the in the biz they're like who who came up

00:25:11.800 with that headline who came up with that title who goes like it's all good folks it's all good

00:25:15.760 i just give them out for free it's all gravy go ahead no it's it's look you know at the end of

00:25:21.340 the day it's about meeting the american people where they are president trump look he he had this

00:25:28.420 this vision of being able to knock the regime out uh he knocked them on their socks there's no

00:25:34.320 question. You know, he took them out like like Gagey and Tuporia. Right. And, you know, the fact

00:25:41.580 of matter remains, you know, there's he took out layer one, he took out layer two and the regime

00:25:46.440 is still in place. And I get that there are people saying, oh, my gosh, you know, how could they do

00:25:50.420 that? But you go, look, they need to be able to to reconstitute any stockpiles they have of missiles,

00:25:56.760 of drones. Right. He wound them down. So we're in a place now where the Iranians need time to

00:26:03.800 lick their wounds, where the global economy is saying, hey, can we get on with this? We know

00:26:08.480 where this is going to go. And if you're not going to put boots on the ground and completely

00:26:12.280 launch into another one of these Iraq or Afghanistan style wars with the president,

00:26:16.820 and of course, J.D. Vance know about, that's not in the cards. So you make the deal and it's the

00:26:22.840 best deal possible. And in fact, a better deal than Barack Obama. And there's something about,

00:26:28.440 we only have a minute left, man, but there's something about J.D. Vance being an Iraq veteran,

00:26:33.640 himself. And having seen that up close and personal, you see this with D&I Gabbard, where,

00:26:42.520 you know, they know, right? They know what it's like being boots on the ground. They know what

00:26:48.060 it's like to, to have to, you know, be there as, as letters are being sent home. They know exactly

00:26:54.240 what that's like. And of course they know what it's like when caskets are brought home, draped

00:26:58.680 in the american flag rich barris where people follow you uh we're everywhere jack at people's

00:27:03.680 underscore pundit on x and on um the gram but of course locals peoplespundit.locals.com is always

00:27:10.620 the best place folks all the best all right folks jack posobik we will be right back here at human

00:27:14.800 Ben Sealy.

00:27:30.340 Jack.

00:27:32.240 Where's Jack?

00:27:34.360 Where is he?

00:27:35.640 Jack, I want to see you.

00:27:39.280 Great job, Jack.

00:27:40.800 Thank you.

00:27:41.560 What a job you do.

00:27:42.980 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:27:44.160 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad.

00:27:46.680 But we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting polices.

00:27:53.200 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back live here,

00:27:55.420 Cuman Events Daily, Real America's Voice.

00:27:58.260 Now, we know that there's a number of trials going on lately with left-wing terrorism.

00:28:05.080 We've seen this plot targeting UFC.

00:28:07.600 We know that there was apparently a DACA recipient and legal alien who came here as a young child or came here at least as a minor who has now been totally wrapped up in this.

00:28:20.680 So that's something that we need to focus on.

00:28:22.360 We know, of course, Tyler Robinson, his hearing will begin in about two weeks time.

00:28:26.720 But then Luigi Maggioni, this is one of the biggest ones.

00:28:31.280 And of course, he's the one who's built the largest following out there in the world.

00:28:35.460 Very interesting. He is now calling for not exactly the insanity plea, but something along the lines where we're called that he was under emotional distress or emotional disturbance.

00:28:50.200 I want to get in with Jonathan Alpert because he is the author of Therapy Nation and someone who has deeply, deeply understood these situations.

00:28:59.240 And of course, he's also in New York, so it affects him directly. Jonathan, how are you?

00:29:03.240 Good, Jack. Thanks for having me on. And you're right. I see all the Luigi lovers here in New York anytime he's brought to court. So it's quite striking to see them out there. And now you have to wonder what they'll think. You know, he's emotionally disturbed. That's something that I've known for a long time. You've known and most people with half a brain knew that it would take a deranged person to murder someone over a grievance.

00:29:30.000 well and so so when we when we look at this this idea of um emotional disturbance you know

00:29:37.500 i kind of think of it as like similar to the crime of passion sort of thing like you you know

00:29:43.320 you're you you know you catch your significant other uh in bed with uh you know with somebody

00:29:48.420 else and then you you respond to that because of of emotional disturbance is that what he's

00:29:53.540 trying to claim here is this something else well i'm no legal expert but from what i understand

00:29:59.440 And, you know, this will allow a manslaughter charge as opposed to anything else.

00:30:08.920 So, you know, we'll see how it plays out legally.

00:30:11.200 But, yeah, I think some people might see it as a crime of passion.

00:30:16.260 Maybe they excuse that.

00:30:17.720 But I think the bigger story is, you know, the people that have idolized Luigi Mangione.

00:30:25.900 Now what is it that they think?

00:30:27.940 Does their thinking now change to something else now that they know or at least the defense knows that he's mentally ill and deeply disturbed or do they remain fixated on him as a folk hero?

00:30:43.700 And so when we talk about this extreme emotional disturbance and I'm looking at it again, we're told that some records that are going to be related to this are going to be released.

00:30:56.340 um that it's challenging but and and honestly some people are pointing out that there's actually

00:31:02.540 very strong as we know evidence tying him to i mean he's on camera he's already he's on camera

00:31:07.900 he's got a manifesto uh he was found with a weapon on his person so i mean the physical

00:31:13.600 and forensic and um the the documentary evidence is quite strong here and so him attempting this

00:31:22.360 seems to be more like a like a legal ploy rather than him actually trying to point to direct

00:31:29.460 emotional disturbance. But at the same time, isn't this the same thing that a lot of people

00:31:34.280 have been doing in our in their personal lives claim? You see this new thing with like young

00:31:39.600 workers where they say, oh, I need a mental health day. And they're demanding that mental health days

00:31:45.060 be be given to them and and claiming that they have a mental health issue when when really it

00:31:50.000 They don't. They're just kind of falling back on that because they know that's, you know, supposedly this unassailable shield that we're not actually able to to judge in any way as as it's been accepted now.

00:32:00.860 Yeah, I think you're right, Jack. We've seen accommodation culture run wild.

00:32:06.840 You know, it seems more evident in the young people in their 20s.

00:32:10.160 They're not feeling well, so they know they can take a mental health day.

00:32:13.840 They know their employer really won't fuss with that.

00:32:17.300 You know, I think the Luigi example is obviously much more extreme, but it has its roots in grievance culture, which I've talked about a lot on your show and other shows, where people feel wronged by society, they feel like they're owed something from society, or they hate the rich, they hate insurance companies, and we see it play out in various ways.

00:32:42.360 We saw a couple of weeks ago this whole micro-looting phenomenon that was all over the media where people justified shoplifting from Whole Foods and other big corporations.

00:32:57.720 So whether it's doing that or whether it's hating a health insurance company, it's all part of the same animal.

00:33:05.140 My profession, therapists, are really into promoting this.

00:33:09.640 They feel like their client is never wrong.

00:33:13.060 It's always the world around them.

00:33:15.560 So there needs to be a reckoning within my profession to try to make some changes with this.

00:33:23.020 Yeah, I got it.

00:33:24.100 And I just have to say, you know, it seems like Luigi Maggioni is just another Zoomer claiming a mental health day.

00:33:30.000 You know, we used to tell people that, hey, that's called get over it.

00:33:33.260 You know, grab a coffee, grin and bear it, and let's get back to work.

00:33:36.000 You know, I can't even imagine having been in in the military. And, you know, this this idea of accommodation, we have to accommodate everything.

00:33:44.240 And and they're even doing this in boot camp to a sense where I'm told that in some some branches they're even starting to allow cell phones and, you know, all these other things in boot camp.

00:33:55.480 And the whole point of boot camp is that sort of it's to stress test you. Right.

00:33:59.980 It's a stress test before you can enter the military because it is that rite of passage.

00:34:05.040 And the problem with accommodation culture is for any of these things, it's justifying things that we used to not allow, that we used to have standards against, whether it's shucking work, whether it's going into the military, you want to have a high standard, or if you are, oh, I don't know, thinking that it might be a good idea to shoot someone in the back on the street, that you don't do that.

00:34:29.680 Yeah, no, I agree. And, you know, if you go back to COVID, I mean, that's part of where this came from, you know, work from home. And we're so many years past COVID now, yet people feel entitled to work from home.

00:34:44.540 Even companies that have a policy of at office, I see people trying to get shortcuts.

00:34:50.580 I've had people ask me for a note so that they can work from home.

00:34:55.060 And of course, there's absolutely no justification for that.

00:34:58.200 So I don't provide such a note.

00:35:00.400 You know, I don't know if it's laziness, if people are just highly anxious because they

00:35:04.840 don't know how to function in our society anymore.

00:35:08.080 You know, 20-somethings have problems and even older people have problems interacting

00:35:12.320 with even a maitre d' at a restaurant. I started to see a lot of this around COVID and shortly

00:35:19.460 after COVID, you know, enter into the mixed technology. People are so used to being buried

00:35:24.700 on their devices. They lose the skill or never develop the skill of interacting with a real

00:35:30.180 human being. So we have profound problems in our society. Luigi Mangione is obviously a deeply

00:35:38.740 disturbed human being, and hopefully he gets what he deserves, the punishment that he should

00:35:44.260 get. And I think anyone that's looking up to him still as a folk hero really has to get their head

00:35:50.460 examined. Here in New York, we now have a musical, a play about Luigi. You're showing it right there.

00:35:58.420 I think it's absolutely crazy that people would celebrate a deeply disturbed criminal in this

00:36:05.700 fashion. No, and it's, it's, it's sick, but we have so many people now where you're, you're

00:36:14.460 combining all of these things that, that we know are sort of fads that we can track and that we

00:36:19.620 can see. Uh, you of course have your piece out in the wall street journal saying that therapy is a

00:36:24.140 form of reeducation. And I find this fascinating because it's, you know, it's tied to your book

00:36:28.640 as well, where, where a lot of these things are coming out of the therapy world, actually.

00:36:32.940 Oh, yeah. And that Wall Street Journal piece, I thought of that idea because I received an email from a colleague where they listed, I think, about 15 different what are called social locators under their signature line.

00:36:48.940 line. So their pronouns, of course, but then they listed middle class, white, this, that. I didn't

00:36:54.960 even know what half of them were. But instead of presenting themselves as a skilled clinician,

00:37:00.280 they're putting out there these social identifiers. And then that translates into how they treat

00:37:06.860 patients. They're hyper-focused on the color of a person, their sexual preference, instead of

00:37:14.040 treating the actual mental health disorder. I've given examples in my book of patients who

00:37:19.520 went into a therapist to try to get help managing their stress or anxiety, and they come out of the

00:37:25.880 session feeling like they were made to feel like something was wrong with them because they're gay

00:37:31.200 or because they're black or Asian. So therapists have just drifted so far from what they should

00:37:37.860 be doing, which is helping people with mental health issues.

00:37:42.780 No, that's exactly right.

00:37:43.900 Jack Posobiec.

00:37:44.680 Oh, we're coming up on a quick break here.

00:37:46.520 So Jack Posobiec, we're on with psychotherapist Jonathan Alpert.

00:37:51.380 I want to come right back because we're going to dig into a little bit, but in another case,

00:37:55.080 other coast, the Los Angeles arsonist.

00:37:58.560 Stay tuned right back to Human Events Daily.

00:38:07.860 call this the jackpasobic appreciation hour i can say confidently i believe i think josh

00:38:34.900 Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobiec.

00:38:38.180 And that is, I'll be honest.

00:38:48.480 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.

00:38:52.080 Now, I wanted to dip in because we know that there's been, there's the L.A. arsonist,

00:38:58.700 This Antifa arsonist who has been accused of setting the L.A. wildfire or excuse me, the Palisades fires that if convicted, Jonathan Renderneck faces a minimum of five years and a maximum of 45 years in prisons.

00:39:15.720 Federal case, incredible, incredible piece here where one of his passengers, this Uber driver with grievances, said that he – someone said that he seemed like an incel, an involuntary celibate, was driving erratically, wouldn't stop talking about how humanity was crumbling, talking about how there aren't any good women in the region, violent with his words.

00:39:39.880 uh there are you know some of the most memorable issues and in fact this guy was obsessed with

00:39:48.260 luigi magione and many many things in fact magione's own lawyers had to put out a statement

00:39:56.300 saying that listen to this mr magione does not support violent actions and does not condone

00:40:02.640 past or future political violence.

00:40:04.300 And so Luigi Maggioni is distancing himself from the L.A. arsonist.

00:40:11.340 You can't make this stuff up.

00:40:13.860 We don't claim him.

00:40:16.180 And what was interesting, though, is there's a behavioral analyst who was testifying that

00:40:21.280 he believed that this individual, Jonathan Rindernix, this is the L.A. arsonist,

00:40:27.180 was experiencing something called expressive motivation,

00:40:33.160 which is not goal-oriented and typically satisfies some need for the offender

00:40:37.560 that only they can explain.

00:40:40.020 Expressive motivation, which, of course, was then based in this grievance culture.

00:40:43.920 I want to bring Jonathan Alpert back in.

00:40:45.600 So, Jonathan, when they're talking about expressive motivation, what does that mean?

00:40:51.080 Does that mean that this is sort of an urge that they can't control,

00:40:56.660 that has to come out through some sort of action?

00:40:59.280 Is that the idea?

00:41:00.700 Yeah, I mean, Jack, honestly,

00:41:02.120 that sounds like a lot of psychobabble to me

00:41:04.760 and people just don't want to acknowledge

00:41:06.620 that this guy was disturbed.

00:41:08.680 He was an incel.

00:41:11.020 Obviously, he couldn't connect with women.

00:41:14.480 He hated society.

00:41:16.160 I mean, if you're inspired by someone like Louis G. Mangione,

00:41:20.400 then, you know, you've got some serious problems there.

00:41:23.160 I mean, if you have trouble with women or dating,

00:41:25.940 Like, go speak to someone, get help, learn how to gain confidence, overcome your anxiety.

00:41:31.500 I help people with that all the time.

00:41:33.920 And to see, to now see Luigi Mangione be this voice of moral reasoning is laughable.

00:41:43.100 And maybe he should have thought about that before he gunned down the CEO.

00:41:48.760 No, I couldn't agree more.

00:41:50.460 And, you know, the fact that he's, of course, you know, trying to distance himself just just adds to the hypocrisy here and adds to the dynamic.

00:42:00.980 But but when they're looking at it, they're also saying that there's some of these actions when people who fall into these patterns, I suppose, exhibit where he was, you know, there were some girl who didn't want to go out with him on New Year's Eve or broke their plan.

00:42:13.980 And so he, you know, he's taking another phone, like a burner phone, and he's texting her from that phone and messing with her and, you know, trying to get back at her.

00:42:22.620 And he kept this litany of grievances.

00:42:24.480 And it just seems as though this is someone who, again, has these delusions of grandeur.

00:42:29.900 Oh, the whole world is against me.

00:42:31.700 And rather than do anything to change himself, he wants to go and wage war against the entire world.

00:42:39.260 Yeah, and that's exactly what we saw with Mangione.

00:42:41.760 He had great grievances against the health insurance industry, and he felt like it was doing harm to society, and he just couldn't find a way to handle it other than the heinous act that he carried out.

00:42:56.060 So there are parallels. And, you know, I think the people who are praising Mangione have to realize that there are consequences of this because there could be someone like this arsonist in California that hears about Luigi and feels inspired and feels like he too can take action and can, you know, take revenge on society in the way that he did, which literally killed people and ruined California.

00:43:26.060 a large part of it. So I think people need to be far more responsible. We see it playing out with

00:43:32.340 how people talk about the president as well, calling him Hitler, saying he's going to ruin

00:43:40.320 democracy. I mean, it's all part of the same animal and people really need to be careful

00:43:45.880 about what they're saying because this rhetoric, this language getting into the wrong head can

00:43:51.780 have destructive consequences. Well, it clearly does. And, you know, here it becomes this this

00:44:00.060 idea that I'm going to teach them a lesson and I'm going to, you know, come out at them. And

00:44:05.240 unfortunately, I worry, though, that the problem is, is that these individuals are going to spread

00:44:13.460 that this contagion is going to exhibit more and more activity. Look, go through the list all the

00:44:21.320 time, but we said at the top, you know, this individual, Luigi Maggioni, the cases are

00:44:25.660 working through at the same time.

00:44:27.020 Tyler Robinson, obviously another example of political violence, murdering Charlie Kirk

00:44:31.060 out of this idea that he was defending his trans lover, his trans lover, who, by the

00:44:38.060 way, is set to testify against him and was given immunity recently, all the way up to

00:44:42.660 the three assassination attempts on President Trump, including one, this guy was a Caltech

00:44:47.740 adjunct, and this latest of the UFC attackers who apparently there's a huge manhunt out

00:44:55.180 because there was a whole cell of 23 individuals who were going to attack the UFC event, which,

00:45:01.740 oh, by the way, I was at with my wife. And so when we look at all of these, when we put it all

00:45:06.640 together, when we try to understand what's happening in our country, you've got this

00:45:11.840 incredible roadmap that explains that the psychology is what ties all these together.

00:45:17.740 Yeah, and there's also, as you mentioned, a social contagion element to this where, I mean, we see this spreading online, like everywhere, and people just feel inspired to take action.

00:45:31.420 The plans that were, thankfully, thwarted on the White House there, I mean, the mother, from what I understand, saw something that was a little suspicious.

00:45:41.760 she turned it over to the FBI, thankfully. And, you know, people just think that it's their right,

00:45:49.720 it's their moral right to take action just because they don't like someone. I don't know about you,

00:45:55.560 but I was taught when you have differences with someone, you talk them out. Not everyone has to

00:46:02.160 think the same way as you, try to accept people for who they are, meet in the middle. But that

00:46:07.260 lesson seems to be missing now where people are just so evil. And again, not to harp on this,

00:46:13.700 but when we have politicians, people in the media who feel that it's okay to put out rhetoric,

00:46:21.460 Trump is evil, Trump is Hitler, the health insurance industry kills people. This gets

00:46:29.540 into the wrong people, and we're going to see more of this. We're going to see people feeling

00:46:35.860 that it's their right to carry out heinous acts to avenge uh to avenge such things and to try to

00:46:42.980 in their mind make things that are wrong right yeah or you know you have these leftists going up

00:46:51.360 on the new york times and talking about oh well um you know brian thompson was guilty of social

00:46:58.400 murder and therefore since that was social murder you know response to him is actually

00:47:04.480 self-defense because you're in defense of others because you're defending others from being socially

00:47:10.080 murdered by the consequences of his health care policy. They're playing so fast and loose with

00:47:16.600 morality. They're playing fast and loose with these ideas of murder, of culpability, of personal

00:47:22.520 responsibility, and they're doing so to justify some of the most heinous actions that can possibly

00:47:27.360 be taken. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, there's a huge difference between social murder and actual

00:47:35.620 murder. But even with Luigi Mangione, like his big gripe was that insurance companies kill people.

00:47:43.220 So the very thing that he was concerned about, he went ahead and did. You know, it just makes

00:47:49.220 absolutely no sense to a sane person. So I'm glad that the defense has finally recognized how deeply

00:47:55.200 disturbed emotionally disturbed he is we will see we'll see how it goes jonathan alpert where can

00:48:00.520 we get where can people go to follow you uh people can see me on x uh at jonathan alpert as well as

00:48:06.480 instagram at jonathan alpert thank you so much ladies and gentlemen as always you have my

00:48:11.240 permission to lay ashore

00:48:25.200 We'll be right back.

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