Impaulsive with Logan Paul - Benny Safdie On Directing Smashing Machine, The Rock’s INSANE Body Transformation, UFC vs. Jake Paul

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00:00:29.400 Ladies and gentlemen, it's Benny Safdie.

00:00:31.220 I can't believe it.

00:00:32.320 The Rock's physique in this movie is insane.

00:00:34.380 He gained 40 pounds.

00:00:36.000 I said to him, I need you to get bigger.

00:00:37.580 How do you have that conversation with someone?

00:00:39.240 That's where I'm like, f*** it, I'm just going to do it.

00:00:41.860 Like, massive fan.

00:00:42.860 Of good time, massive fan, Unka Jams.

00:00:45.020 Unka Jams.

00:00:45.700 Was Julia Fox really the muse for Unka Jams?

00:00:48.720 Never. 0.99

00:00:50.180 How did you get away with playing someone who's, like, mentally impaired? 1.00

00:00:54.280 Wait, wait, wait. We looked for somebody who could play that part. 1.00

00:00:58.580 And he said, f*** it, I'll do it myself.

00:01:00.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:01.180 Happy Gilmore 2.

00:01:02.000 I didn't have to have that facial hair, dye my hair.

00:01:05.420 You know, they could have done that every day.

00:01:06.820 But I thought, I need to get comfortable with it.

00:01:08.960 He's got balls, kid.

00:01:10.200 He's got balls.

00:01:11.300 The prosthetics for Dwayne Johnson in this movie are insane.

00:01:14.460 And more importantly, the thing everyone's really wondering is how did you give The Rock hair?

00:01:24.280 yo direct the podcast let's do it it might be our best episode i think so yeah because this

00:01:33.180 show sucks just you just gotta zoom in close and then you could do whatever the hell you want from

00:01:37.700 there oh yeah dude are you gonna wear headphones i don't know i was this is a question i was like 0.72

00:01:41.120 do you want me to wear do you want to know why we wear them yes okay so i know why you got to hear

00:01:45.140 what you sound like if you're on the microphone yeah i'm a member of local 52 as a boom operator

00:01:51.100 so this guy's good what don't you do this is crazy i'm here look this is yeah i'll show you

00:01:59.280 we can take we should i wait and take it out on the thing no this is great you're on the thing

00:02:03.560 i'm on this yeah yeah yeah um i'm very proud um right there look at that what is it this

00:02:12.420 i also like your metro card no it's my my my card okay what local 52 i got the stamps what

00:02:19.680 is local 52 it's a boom operating well it's it's a union it's the trade union yeah so big union guy

00:02:25.200 yeah i love it you do like the union i do really yeah it protects you yeah in your work exactly

00:02:31.220 what have you well first off ladies and gentlemen it's benny sassy i can't believe it oh man this

00:02:38.460 is great dude sorry we're late no worries um i do a thing i'm gonna do it now welcome back to

00:02:43.560 impulsive the number one podcast in the world thank you for listening watching viewing and

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00:02:50.800 and gentlemen it's benny safdy i did it twice yeah i was gonna say i did it twice dude i'll take it

00:02:57.360 thanks for being so chill yeah 12 minutes late we suck no you don't this is good what do we even do

00:03:02.880 oh we got stuck in traffic traffic yeah you would know a thing of course that's the thing is is like

00:03:07.580 you always it's but there's a good what what you realize is like that's why i'm not i'm not too

00:03:13.360 upset is because like at some point you just got to be like look it is what it is and you'll get

00:03:18.380 there do you ever get to a point where it's so it is what it is that you have to remind yourself

00:03:22.820 that we actually live on a spinning rock oh that's hurtling through space oh for sure the

00:03:27.900 reason we're stuck to the ground is because it's spinning so quickly well the thing i always love

00:03:31.660 to say is like everybody talks about astronauts going in space and like we're in space right now

00:03:36.080 think about that all right crazy is that i don't need to go into space i'm already in space this

00:03:42.320 guys got a point we're just we're i'm on the planet which is in space so it's so true new movie

00:03:49.700 smashing machine that's right we saw it last night oh killer it was awesome shout out to 824 for

00:03:54.980 letting us come to the office and watch it they took great care of us gotta ask you a question

00:03:59.260 yes massive fan massive fan of good time massive fan uncut jobs yeah like like like goaded movies

00:04:08.240 for real one was about criminals in new york city the next one criminals in new york city

00:04:16.400 why the history of mixed martial arts well you know it's so dj he he he told me he he had seen

00:04:24.480 this documentary you know about mark kerr and he's like i just feel he just felt very connected to

00:04:29.020 him and he said just watch it and just just see and as soon as i saw him i was just like

00:04:36.800 i don't know why but i get this guy i love this guy and then i love boxing you know i'm a big

00:04:43.540 boxing fan i love combat sports there's just something that i went to a usc fight with my

00:04:47.720 stepfather in 2002 you know and it was i think it was the mohican son oh gee yeah so nice uncut

00:04:53.920 gems callback oh yes exactly um so it was like and back then especially it was you'd have like

00:04:59.840 capoeira versus like judo or capoeira versus wrestling and it really was this insane kind of

00:05:06.640 experiment. Like, what is this? What are we going to do? What are we going to figure out?

00:05:10.760 Who's the best fighter? What's the best fighting style? And you'd see the tapes and the video store

00:05:16.460 and like the band shit, like all that stuff. And it was exciting, you know? And, but when I saw

00:05:23.080 Mark, he's just this kind of incredible guy where he's so gentle and so kind of thoughtful and trying

00:05:29.960 to understand why he is the way he is. And I thought, what a beautiful contradiction, because

00:05:35.180 like when I first walked into a boxing gym to learn boxing you know you think oh they're going

00:05:40.780 to be really tough and really kind of like judgmental of the fact that I can't throw a

00:05:45.160 fucking punch you know so then you go in there and if you are like genuinely interested in learning

00:05:51.080 they accept you and they bring you in and it's the most incredible loving brotherhood you could

00:05:56.840 be a part of and so I'm like I want to this is a this I just need to explore that part of it you

00:06:03.740 know that like this community of people can beat the shit out of each other and then pat each other

00:06:08.440 on the chest and be like we did that you know you know who's not as easygoing i did i did some

00:06:13.900 commentary for an organization called karate combat okay with boss yes so i realized quickly

00:06:20.940 that all the fighters all the people in the in the sport they are very easygoing they want to teach

00:06:26.740 you they want you to learn but not so easygoing are the fight fans oh okay and i'm curious if you

00:06:33.420 have any concern or worry about that community and how it's good because i would assume a majority

00:06:38.760 a lot of the people who are going to watch this film are going to be yeah well and but to that

00:06:42.760 point i wanted to be as real as possible you know um my wife got me a shirt right before we started

00:06:49.000 it was like one of the first ufc shirts and on the back it says as real as it gets and i thought

00:06:54.340 that's it that's this movie everything everything has to be as real as it gets the fights this that

00:07:00.080 and so specifically like i want to nail what the fights look like and i don't want it to look like

00:07:06.520 i'm doing anything fancy or tricky i want it to look like we captured real fights in the ring that

00:07:13.780 you could see flipping through your phone on like tiktok i wanted it to be as like i wanted you to

00:07:18.780 be able to rip that to your phone and say this is a real fight that was like a goal of mine and

00:07:23.600 that's a high bar that i set but i but part of that was i can't go in the ring i have to stay

00:07:28.840 outside purposefully i was like i told uh maceo bishop the cinematographer we have third tier

00:07:34.780 passes so you got to fight your way through to get the best shots of this stuff so it really

00:07:40.860 feels like you're there but the the ring is for the fighters you know they're in there and we can

00:07:46.700 see it from our point of view and then what the rest of the movie will do is actually try and put

00:07:50.660 you into the head of what it's actually like to be in the ring all the stuff you have to deal with

00:07:54.900 outside prior whatever and then you got to fight too you know so i really approached it with so

00:08:01.920 much respect for the craft and just the the world like i approached it with so much love that i'm

00:08:09.200 just like okay i hope i hope that that translates in the movie because i really wanted people to

00:08:14.980 watch it and be like that's what it's like you know he is right um fight fans can be fiendish

00:08:20.900 yes they can be they can be frenetic and it's so interesting so i i do wwe and i also insane moves

00:08:27.040 thank you thank you i was just like i was looking i'm like how in the world just it was one i'm like

00:08:34.000 i didn't even know what i saw yeah yeah i don't know i don't know what's really happening when i

00:08:39.660 do it yeah i'm in flow state yeah exactly but i appreciate that but enough about me uh uh but uh

00:08:45.540 it's really interesting going from a wwe audience to like a ufc combat martial arts audience dude

00:08:53.140 it's it's like it's like a different audience they are they are insane they're rabid uh essentially

00:08:59.120 i'm excited though well i think what i was gonna say is because of the respect you're describing

00:09:04.400 that you put into the to the making of this film they're gonna have no choice but to love it you

00:09:09.640 you can feel it the creative choices you made like staying outside the ring when i was watching it

00:09:14.180 it's it's funny you you articulate it like that because when i was watching it i remember thinking

00:09:18.720 like yo this like like i'm a huge fight fan yeah i'm really into this yeah this doesn't look like

00:09:24.140 a choreographed fight it looks like i'm kind of at a fight yes not like but i'm not the cameras

00:09:29.800 are in the ring yeah the the wide shot looks so good yes what are you shooting on to give it that

00:09:36.540 like kind of grainy is it like film yes 16 millimeter film wow so we we shot on 60 millimeter

00:09:43.220 film and then it was funny because like we were always like in our heads like okay 16 millimeter

00:09:48.960 and then i wanted it to be like on the biggest screen possible so like an imax screen so it was

00:09:54.360 like how do we figure out how to get 16 millimeter onto imax level size and it's literally it was

00:10:00.940 like this the film is this big you know it's that small and so we had to do all this stuff we scan

00:10:06.440 it you do all this stuff to it and then but it has a certain quality to it the way that the lenses

00:10:13.020 hit the light all that stuff but it has a a texture it does and and i and it also makes the

00:10:18.920 way that the camera is is so small that it makes you move a specific way yeah and so we watched a

00:10:25.280 lot of documentaries just to kind of get into like how do you get around so at some point it's like

00:10:29.220 okay there's only so much you can hide people are getting picked up and thrown down you know they're

00:10:34.740 getting taken down they're taking down and it's like but like so i realized oh if you start here

00:10:40.520 and then the camera runs down to get a better shot then you can hide the punch and it doesn't

00:10:45.800 look like you're doing that you know but then there was a moment where like dj's like there

00:10:51.480 there's a really specific fight where you just can't fake it you got he's like from the beginning

00:10:56.840 he's like i'm gonna have to take it i'm gonna have to get punched and he's like it's like they

00:11:01.780 call it laying it in yeah you know and he's like it's just gonna have to happen and the day if the

00:11:07.000 fight i didn't want to be like hey remember what you said it's like he came in and he's like all

00:11:12.220 right he started telling the guy the fighter he's like um because that's the other thing is i also

00:11:16.260 wanted all real fighters in the movie to play the fighters because i wanted that i wanted to work

00:11:22.240 with them to figure out how it was going to be right like and we would do stuff be like is that

00:11:25.820 good they're like no no it'll be like this like great let's change it yeah you know it was a

00:11:29.100 constant conversation and so in that moment he's talking to the guy he goes you gotta hit me you

00:11:35.340 got to just don't don't knock me don't knock me here don't knock me here but just punch me

00:11:39.600 with everything you've got and lay it in with the knee and you see it yeah in the movie oh you feel

00:11:44.800 all those yeah so much and it's a big one for me was the head but oh my god that scene well well

00:11:49.680 because you added your soundtrack oh yes a master class oh man in sound and you you coordinated it

00:11:56.340 perfectly with the strikes yeah that's great that's nala senefro i don't know if anybody she

00:12:00.640 did the she did an incredible job with the score and she's like this amazing jazz musician and she

00:12:06.480 put together all these people and i just remember watching it with them as we were kind of like

00:12:11.720 figuring it out and the drummer just fucking just right in time with the fight watching a fight

00:12:17.200 going at it and she just put herself in his head and it's not it's not what you'd think it would be 0.78

00:12:23.840 but it makes sense you know does she do all does she do all the music for it because because one

00:12:29.100 thing i noticed about this one that was like you saw some of it in unca and some of it in good time

00:12:33.740 but like this one had so many cool like song choices like i remember i heard sublime within

00:12:39.220 the first couple minutes and the and it was actually the sadness for the for the movie

00:12:43.440 kicked in a little bit right off the bat because i was like wow late 90s and early 2000s are now

00:12:48.080 a decade piece that's how old i am exactly like this is an era piece now that's very sad and i

00:12:53.380 was so the music like i'll pick the song choices but she'll do like the score part of it yes

00:12:58.680 but i was like that specifically that song i'm and it was like so expensive and i'm putting it

00:13:04.960 in the background as if it's coming out of the stereo in the back room and they're giving an

00:13:10.520 interview so i'm sitting in the mix with skip who's like a legend and he did like gravity and

00:13:16.780 all that stuff so and uh roma but he so and the he does a lot of stuff but he's amazing and so

00:13:22.820 i'm sitting there i'm like okay i want it to sound like it's in that corner bouncing off the walls

00:13:27.560 so that it really feels like we're in the room.

00:13:30.920 I thought someone was playing it outside the theater

00:13:33.480 at first at 824.

00:13:35.060 And I was like, is someone playing Sublime outside?

00:13:36.960 And then I realized, wow, they spent money on the score.

00:13:39.560 And then it's also,

00:13:40.240 then you got Sugar Ray in the doctor's office.

00:13:42.180 There's a Faith Hill.

00:13:42.900 And I wanted all the songs to be like real radio songs.

00:13:47.180 Accepted by the Fruit of Another.

00:13:48.480 I heard like a bunch of throwbacks

00:13:49.980 when they're at the carnival, the 80s music.

00:13:52.180 Cicada in there.

00:13:52.800 No, I saw all of it.

00:13:53.820 But of course, the main star of the show

00:13:56.240 is that insanely, like, classic Safdie's illusionary,

00:14:01.480 do-do-do-do-do, like, where did that originate from?

00:14:04.460 Which, like, the same style sounds that you had

00:14:07.480 in Unpot, where it's that, like,

00:14:09.520 very mysterious illusionary sound.

00:14:12.200 What it is is you're trying to find a sound

00:14:14.600 that connects to the character.

00:14:17.160 You know, you're trying to find something that,

00:14:18.840 on the show that I, The Curse, you know,

00:14:21.720 we worked, I remember thinking, like,

00:14:24.100 all right this has to be like emotional subtitles you know not not in the sense that like oh sad

00:14:29.760 violins but it has to be like deep psychoanalysis kind of subtitles so that's where that kind of

00:14:36.960 comes from it works yeah okay cool that's good ayo i'm sorry i used to do it in my vlogs it's

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00:16:34.260 Hey, what's up? I'm Tony Gonzalez.

00:16:35.740 And I'm October Gonzalez.

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00:16:49.160 But just don't say out loud.

00:16:50.240 I hate that job.

00:16:51.160 You're probably just going to meet with some rich guy and he's going to whisk you away and I'll never see you again. 0.95

00:16:56.440 Would you say a D-less actor?

00:16:59.860 D?

00:17:01.840 I don't even know there's such a thing as D.

00:17:03.660 No, no, no.

00:17:04.320 I mean like.

00:17:04.680 I can't even get on the C-list.

00:17:05.760 Like I'm not even average.

00:17:06.620 I'm not even passing.

00:17:07.600 I'm failing.

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00:17:20.060 Another thing I noticed, too, about this movie is,

00:17:22.600 I think it's going to, not to use this term,

00:17:27.240 because it's so, like, PC and just woke,

00:17:29.320 but, like, I think it's going to trigger some people, dude.

00:17:31.440 Oh, yeah.

00:17:31.860 Because of the undertones.

00:17:33.700 Yeah.

00:17:34.020 You've got undertones, for me, an ex-dope head.

00:17:36.240 you've got a lot of addiction undertones with his use you've got some domestic disputes at the

00:17:43.420 very least undertones and disagreements between boyfriend girlfriend yeah how did you how much of

00:17:50.940 that did you want to come through it feels like such a human condition piece versus the other

00:17:55.880 films that you've made yes and that that was very important is like i wrote in the script like

00:18:00.200 radical empathy that was something that i thought i'm like you know what let's make empathy cool

00:18:04.300 like radical empathy you know because like specifically with addicts you know there's this

00:18:09.440 there's a level of judgment that gets placed on somebody and sometimes it's not your fault you

00:18:15.500 know it's like you're dealing with something and you're trying to hide it and you're treat it in

00:18:19.200 another way like let's look at this differently you know now you have an example of a guy who's

00:18:23.740 the strongest man in the world yes and he's doing it and so you immediately look at somebody who's

00:18:29.960 invincible and say oh they can handle anything but they're dealing with everything just like

00:18:34.380 anybody else so it's like i want to show what it feels like and if you can relate with him and

00:18:40.100 empathize with him then maybe outside every day you can go out and just be like oh i'm gonna just

00:18:45.420 check myself a little bit when i see somebody at the supermarket and just be like maybe i don't

00:18:49.640 know what they've been through in their life you never know so in that sense it's just like i

00:18:53.660 wanted it to really be a realistic in a way and that's like it's realistic but it's like it's

00:18:59.800 hyper realistic in a way where you're feeling these feelings that aren't yours you're feeling

00:19:04.380 i wanted there's like these memories to enter your head so when you see him using you you feel

00:19:11.440 the weight of him looking for it the relief that he gets from it and it's intense you know and you

00:19:19.640 understand it and then i also thought it was important to show somebody else have the same

00:19:25.380 feeling and oh this is what you were to how the fuck do you fight on this shit like that kind of

00:19:29.380 thing you just get used to it you know stuff like that and then even in the in the argument 0.59

00:19:34.060 that's like there's a specific argument that's like eight and a half minutes long between him

00:19:37.920 and his his girlfriend and emily blunt is amazing incredible one of my unbelievable incredible

00:19:43.980 actress yeah and so i wanted so we built this house and james the the production designer we

00:19:49.260 built a house that whole house was a set so we built that and i specifically we were trying to

00:19:54.940 figure out how we could do it in a way that i would be able to hide the two cameras because

00:19:58.900 i shot at two cameras all basically the whole time to to get at something and we we so now

00:20:06.480 you're if you're in the kitchen you can hide the cameras just off of one another and get that so

00:20:11.660 that the actors don't even see it and they can just be in it but like i thought you know what

00:20:17.000 i'm just gonna be truthful about the times that i've been you know i say something that i'm

00:20:22.140 embarrassed about you know i brought duane and emily and i'm like look let's just talk about

00:20:25.980 the times we've gotten into an argument with our significant other and just felt embarrassed and

00:20:30.740 bad about it at the end of the day and just sit on that and we just talked about it so that like

00:20:36.380 when we got to the moment we could say things like when he he says things that aren't nice

00:20:42.060 she says things that aren't nice and you're trying to hurt somebody when you're in an argument like

00:20:46.780 that but i wanted to show that so that you could like feel it and then next time maybe you won't

00:20:53.460 be that way you know and and or maybe you'll you'll think about it afterwards and just say

00:20:57.080 sorry full stop you know kind of thing but a lot but a lot of it was and you all of that came

00:21:02.500 through okay by the way it was it just like any other safety film it was anxiety riddled yeah

00:21:09.300 entire it's that's like the main thing i feel when i watch them but it's an anxiety that you

00:21:13.220 actually yeah and ironic this has like a pressure yes it's different that's the term it's a different

00:21:19.180 kind and i was like okay there's a weight on his shoulders and that's one of the things it's like

00:21:25.560 i know that duane knows what that's like you know the pressure to win the pressure to succeed

00:21:30.460 that can relate to anything you know in the world just whatever you do but that pressure to just

00:21:36.920 it can it can become oppressive and i want to that feeling to be through the whole movie

00:21:42.440 you know how switching up a little bit i guess how what were you gonna say i didn't mean to cut

00:21:47.500 you off i was just gonna say uh uh uh uh oh ironically a lot of the those scenes come out

00:21:57.620 like in a weird familiarity to people that is almost comical okay like so it's there was a lot

00:22:03.400 of like laughter in these moments yes where there would be a fight between him and emily blonde's

00:22:09.400 character and she would leave the room and you'd be like she's coming back yes and she would come

00:22:14.680 back and every and you and because everyone in that room has had that argument yes in a moment

00:22:19.880 where you are you are giving them an out yes that you they're you want so badly for them to take the

00:22:27.600 out to end the argument so that you guys can just settle down and go back to being lovers yes and

00:22:32.520 and against all of your deepest wishes they come back for more oh yes and 100 and seeing that happen

00:22:39.700 on screen oh it's just like dude you look at everyone around you and you're like she's

00:22:44.000 i fucking knew it yes and it's funny because i had that was that's in there yeah that's in the

00:22:48.840 script we talked about that that's in the choreography that was like a fight choreography 0.79

00:22:52.600 it's like okay you made it through the first round yeah she goes to the corner what's gonna

00:22:58.480 happen yeah she's like what do i say i know and you see him sitting there being like yeah and then

00:23:05.820 yes okay bam and then it's like each person is doing that and it's it's i'm so glad because

00:23:12.520 it's true it's like and i didn't want it to just be heavy all the time i wanted to have those

00:23:17.540 moments of real life you know and that's awesome to hear so i think all of the stuff that you

00:23:22.580 went for it's like i picked up on all of it which i'm sure it makes you happy like even like

00:23:26.940 there was a scene i don't want to give too much away but there was a scene where

00:23:30.300 after one of the fights i won't give away too much where he was dealing with some

00:23:35.140 kneeing yes there was a scene in a destructive in the destruction derby where the car

00:23:40.160 kept repeatedly getting rammed and he was having this like really nice moment with emily blunt's

00:23:45.020 character and all of a sudden his expression changed yeah was that a an expression of ptsd

00:23:50.820 in that moment 100 amazing you know because i was i remember i went to a derby it was at because

00:23:56.440 it's so funny when you get when you're like thinking about a movie you get onto this frequency

00:24:00.100 and you just start looking at the world through that lens and so i went to a demolition derby

00:24:05.760 with my family and it was just like we were having a good time and then i just realized oh wait

00:24:10.500 there's a connection here you know getting pounded pounded pounded and then just again and again and

00:24:19.060 again that's what you you're just going back and you're doing it and like oh if like you could have

00:24:24.580 a moment of realization almost of like wait a second what does this mean right now what am i

00:24:29.560 doing you know you're reflecting on a lot of stuff so but it's it's interesting when that happens you

00:24:35.640 know and that was just like a total accident you know i just wanted to go to the derby yeah and

00:24:39.980 then like and then you see this thing and you're like oh wait maybe this could be talk about

00:24:45.260 something you know demolition derbies are sick they are tractor pulls are insane too talk to me

00:24:50.080 about that those are like what is it what is this i didn't know what it was but all of a sudden i

00:24:53.220 just saw this massive plume of black smoke and they just like it's as if they build the tractors

00:24:59.560 out to be as powerful as possible to see how far they can pull these things and it's just like

00:25:04.200 wait what are they pulling they're they're like pulling like trailers yes kind like just like

00:25:09.440 how fast they can move this stuff yeah and there's so many different events you know i did a demolition

00:25:14.680 did you i was in the car no way it was awesome oh my god awesome that is awesome it's like adult

00:25:19.820 bumper car yes exactly it was sick and it's so amazing when you see the inside of the car and

00:25:24.580 they're just like couch cushion yeah and like it's a dump because they don't have money to like

00:25:29.840 build out like they're built and it was yeah it was it was cool because like um what's a funny

00:25:35.880 thing about that is that's an actual demolition derby that we filmed tight and then because it

00:25:41.200 was like i'm all about mixing stuff up so we went and filmed a real derby where was it it was in

00:25:47.200 california where you know forget where it was just a little bit hour outside of um it's got to be the

00:25:51.680 same place i did it probably was what's the it's what's the name it has it has like a it has like

00:25:56.280 a funny name parrot no it's got to be the same place it has to so i recognize some of the people

00:26:03.020 in the stand yes so no so then so then so i took that as like the base and then i'm like but i know

00:26:08.560 that i need to increase the shots like get closer and closer and closer so then we kind of rebuilt

00:26:14.560 the derby to get the more kind of evocative shots i'm like the car the crunch that and so we rebuilt

00:26:22.540 that section then i cut it all together and we've shot the stands and it's just funny because i like

00:26:27.400 it's just like another thing just the random but like when he comes out in ufc that's the actual

00:26:34.380 ufc broadcast over the image that we're doing so you're actually hearing bruce buffer from back

00:26:41.620 in the day talking about mark curve but you're seeing oh cool that we shot that's awesome yeah

00:26:46.780 please welcome in his octagon debut mark

00:26:51.220 because i noticed that the sound in the very beginning was was more was actual yes it sounded

00:27:01.640 like it was actually yes that's awesome i want i want to ask you about your a-list like portfolio

00:27:07.780 okay because this is this is actually crazy like you look at like the last few movies when you did 0.64

00:27:13.240 when you had pattinson right yeah you probably were like we're peaking dude we're fucking peaking 0.56

00:27:18.160 right and like and by the way not only had him but acted alongside yeah bro that movie if you 0.54

00:27:24.380 haven't seen good time you guys have to go watch that movie that movie is like phenomenal yeah and

00:27:29.180 people went straight to uncut and i'm hoping a lot of them went back to watch that then you go

00:27:33.460 to uncut gems you get sandler me right you get sandler you get garnett you get a slew of incredible

00:27:41.840 actors you're like dude okay we're clearly peaking yeah then you get the rock emily blunt

00:27:47.760 let's starve my favorite one of my favorite movies ever sicario and a bunch of others

00:27:51.240 incredible actress a numerous other people what is it like working with actors on that level do

00:27:57.840 you get nervous at all well it's it's it's interesting because i get to you get to know

00:28:01.860 them before you know and it's like and you you you want to work with them for a specific reason you

00:28:06.620 know and when you meet them like either that perception of who they are is what you expected

00:28:12.800 or not and when it matches up it's it's the greatest thing in the world you know because

00:28:17.520 like when i first met dj it was like oh my god this is like it's the rock yeah yeah and he's but

00:28:23.600 he's it's just there was something behind his eyes that i just connected with and it was real

00:28:29.240 and same thing with sandler he's just like a great guy and that just when that happens you're like

00:28:37.400 okay we can do this yeah you know and you and you know you're gonna get close on this process and

00:28:42.180 and that's part of it is you want to kind of develop that relationship in a way um and so it

00:28:48.860 is it's it's definitely strange because it's like i approach every movie like it's like the last one

00:28:52.440 i'm gonna make because it's like all right me hopefully i get another shot it's like so you

00:28:57.100 got to put everything you got into this one because you never know and so that just comes

00:29:01.320 from like doing that for for for so long you know you can't it's hard to shake it it's like okay

00:29:06.840 luckily like okay maybe now i got the next one like that one's set it's like but after that i

00:29:10.880 don't know it's like yeah that's that's attic mentality yeah oh 100 it's it's this idea that

00:29:16.120 the shoe's always gonna drop exactly 100 it's like everybody was talking about like oh this

00:29:20.840 and it's like i've dealt with like there's people in my family who've had addiction and like i've

00:29:25.520 seen it very close and had to deal with that and it's it's hard you know and because of that i'm

00:29:32.700 like okay that's the last thing i want for anybody and myself included and so but at the same time i

00:29:38.620 do have this idea that i can understand which is exactly what you said is like everything can all

00:29:43.340 fall out right now so you have to kind of go like that which can be good and bad exactly it's all

00:29:48.380 or nothing mentality cataclysmic mentality that yes act in your favor for like yeah somebody's

00:29:54.820 like are you a gambler and i'm like no i'm not a gambler but then again i'm like i'm putting it all

00:29:58.160 on this number you're a gambler as a filmmaker especially yeah in in in many ways i i want to

00:30:05.260 just hit on the a-list thing specific specifically with the rock yeah right um you're you mentioned

00:30:09.440 meeting duane yeah having that experience of like wow like this is a real person yeah he cares he

00:30:14.300 listens to me yeah he has he has thoughtful comments back to what i'm saying i had i had

00:30:19.360 the same experience with him yeah i just think he's a magnificent human being yeah and i imagine

00:30:23.400 the um director actor relationship is is becomes that much more impactful it's it's unbelievable

00:30:30.240 yeah no it's just like it's like you can just like look at each other yep and you know exactly

00:30:35.220 what each other's thinking yeah well it's trust yeah he's 100 he's trusting you you're trusting

00:30:39.800 to him exactly it sounds it sounded at like the beginning of this podcast you said this this film

00:30:44.960 actually started with him like it was his idea and he came to you yeah he wanted he wanted to

00:30:49.880 he wanted to explore this okay and i thought oh if he wants to explore this that's just so much

00:30:56.560 about him you know that like it's not it's a totally different story you know than you normally 0.63

00:31:01.560 very much so and i was like that is the coolest fucking thing i've ever seen and i just and then 0.62

00:31:07.160 as the more i learned about mark and and and the world i was just like oh this is this is it and i 0.75

00:31:14.760 just never started i have like a screen grab of mark from like 2020 on my phone you know yeah i

00:31:19.600 bought i literally i bought duane i found a triple xl of the nautica sweater dude dude dude we had a

00:31:26.160 whole conversation about that those i think might be coming back oh dude bro he turns to me he goes

00:31:32.160 that is the hardest fit i've ever yes if someone wore that fit today oh my god the yellow nautica

00:31:36.600 yes exactly can we get some of these oh like 100 we can make that happen so i actually just got a

00:31:41.980 picture of like the reissue i have one in my own from the i took one it's a it's a fleece oh it's

00:31:47.460 a fleece exactly it is a crew neck yeah yeah yeah it was sick oh my god it's so funny we really

00:31:52.800 watched the movie yeah we had a sidebar about it that's amazing that's the hardest fit i've

00:31:58.480 yes yeah so i was obsessed with that so i was like that was the image in my head so so i found

00:32:03.940 the sweater i sent to him i wrote a letter to him and my handwriting is like a two-year-old

00:32:08.200 and it looks like i'm a psycho but i wrote him this like beautiful letter and then i'm sure

00:32:12.160 somebody on his like in like looked at him like this looks like a psycho let's just not put that

00:32:17.360 out there and then it never got to him and then it was through oppenheimer i met i met emily yeah

00:32:22.660 and we act together i'm like what and he was in oppenheimer yeah i want to i want to talk about

00:32:27.060 that as well we stay on the rock for a quick second and switch so so basically so yeah so now

00:32:31.640 it was just like again to go back to that trust it's like it was the kind of thing where i'm like

00:32:37.540 all right we both just need to trust each other implicitly that's the only way this is going to

00:32:43.000 work and i know i just like i just and oh it's so amazing you have that um that the elvis at his

00:32:48.900 end of his career concert literally the comment um because there's i love that that just happened

00:32:54.140 yeah i love that that just happened because it it gives me a little bit more back like color as to

00:32:59.300 who you are as a person like you're mid-statement talking about working with the rock yeah and you

00:33:03.780 just see elvis an elvis record on the wall and you're like the elvis record yeah um he's one

00:33:09.260 yeah so so basically like um you have to trust each other and i just knew like okay i can ask

00:33:17.480 him to do anything yeah and he's going to be able to achieve it and if he's going to work his hardest

00:33:22.180 to get there like for example we're on his back for a good very emotional moment in the movie

00:33:27.800 You're not going to shoot the front of me

00:33:29.460 I said no

00:33:30.000 I'm just shooting the back

00:33:31.480 Post fight

00:33:32.460 He's like I'm not going to shoot the front of you

00:33:35.940 And then I'm like seeing him act

00:33:38.700 With the back muscles

00:33:39.820 And I'm like this is awesome

00:33:42.160 Guy can act with his back

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00:36:11.240 your podcasts hey what's up i'm tony gonzalez and i'm october gonzalez but you can call me toby we

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00:36:21.880 about marriage parenthood sex divorce and all the nitty-gritty stuff we all think about but just

00:36:27.340 don't say out loud i hate that job you're probably just gonna meet with some rich guy and he's gonna 0.56

00:36:30.960 whisk you away and i'll never see you again and oh this is awkward would you say a d-less actor

00:36:37.500 d i don't even know there's this thing is d no no no i mean like i didn't get on the c list like

00:36:43.780 i'm not even average i'm not even passing i'm failing listen to no safe words with october

00:36:47.960 and tony gonzalez part of my culture podcast network available on the iheart radio app

00:36:53.440 apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast to the show when he brought you this or i'm sorry

00:37:00.620 when he was the catalyst or the inception right was there ever a moment where you're thinking

00:37:07.440 through ker's condition the addiction the the the the all of the perspective and empathy and you

00:37:14.640 thought to yourself does the rock have the chops to pull this off never i knew he could do it i

00:37:21.100 knew he could do it how did you know that i just knew it i don't know how i can't explain i just

00:37:25.260 i i saw it inside of him the fact that he wanted to do this and wanted to work as hard as possible

00:37:33.220 put in he put in the time he gained 40 pounds to like he was massive i said to him i need you to

00:37:40.400 get bigger puffier and he goes okay i wanted to talk about that yeah the rocks physique in this

00:37:46.460 movie is insane insane it's absolutely his shoulders his and he knew he needed the wrestler

00:37:51.060 tight waist his thighs oh my god how do you have that conversation with someone that's where i'm 0.88

00:37:56.800 like i don't i don't i just i'm like all right you know what fuck it i'm just gonna do it 0.88

00:38:00.360 like you're like like bro i need you to get huge yes i was just like okay it was the kind of thing 0.73

00:38:05.360 where you kind of that's one where you're a little nervous you don't know like because he's already

00:38:09.720 big and it's like i need you to get bigger and he's like okay and he knew exactly what i was

00:38:14.680 talking about because his curse body was so special you know it had there's a rest there's

00:38:21.700 a wrestler physique you know you know there's a specific muscles that you have to work to get that

00:38:28.160 and so he had to transform yeah you know and so but so in that sense i just i just knew he could

00:38:35.460 do it yeah his his his acting is great it's a it's the first time where i felt like he was acting

00:38:40.380 he's honest he's just so internal and he's so like well in this movie specifically yeah i think

00:38:46.100 so emotional and so you just love him you know you want to like reach out and give him a hug

00:38:51.920 and he's so sad but then at the times he's really frustrating you know it's yeah yeah and and that

00:38:56.760 was important i wanted to show that like that's it's not easy to live with sometimes you know

00:39:02.640 the uh the first time we saw pictures of duane as this character yeah they went viral online

00:39:09.280 because he was he was basically unrecognizable yeah it was crazy the the prosthetics oh my for

00:39:15.160 Dwayne Johnson in this movie are insane they're on Kazu the like the legend you know is that like

00:39:20.120 how did you do it and more importantly the thing everyone's really wondering is how did you give

00:39:25.600 the rock hair okay so there's so there's there's a okay so there let's touch on the prosthetics okay

00:39:32.160 the prosthetics was um I don't have my phone on me but there's there's a picture that I took

00:39:37.300 so we're working with Kazu there was like levels of transformation one being just like very little

00:39:44.020 then like there was a gradient to like full-on I can make because he can do this because I can

00:39:49.520 make him an exact replica of Mark Kerr and I thought okay well I don't want that and I don't

00:39:57.500 want this I need I need something I need Dwayne to come through because he's expressing himself

00:40:03.360 you know he's going back to parts of his life he's going deep in his own personal life

00:40:07.420 to pull from these things and i want people to see him too so i wanted you to be able to still

00:40:14.180 see him but have him have kind of a little bit of just like a kind of uh hand wave you know just

00:40:22.360 like don't don't you're not necessarily it gave him like he can be there and be a different person

00:40:27.600 you know and express themselves there and for him it was very important to disappear because he's

00:40:31.300 sitting in the chair for three hours every day and he's looking at himself and he's that that

00:40:35.760 does something to you you know and so so kazu we came up with like we're we're talking about like

00:40:41.320 the way the eyebrows fall how much hair in the eyebrows where they go the nose and then it was

00:40:47.720 just an eyebrow and the nose and then the ear the cauliflower that's it that's it wow and then

00:40:53.420 but i also was like okay but after a fight parts of your face get swollen so that we had prosthetic

00:41:01.280 for parts of the cheek so then the ear gets bigger the nose gets bigger and then there were

00:41:06.500 levels of like right after the fight 12 hours later so we had levels of so many different kinds

00:41:11.540 of prosthetics yeah and then there's also the prosthetics where he hasn't been fighting for

00:41:14.700 like a good amount of time and he looks way fresher and this so that we were thinking about

00:41:19.260 all of those um the arc of like what happens to a face you know yeah and then i was reading this

00:41:26.960 book this is so total sidetrack about a boxer and he was about how he was on the subway and he had

00:41:33.440 these black eyes and he was really proud of his eyes you know and he saw people looking at him

00:41:39.600 and that's where that came from in the scene the doctors you're looking at my eyes we were laughing

00:41:43.420 it's like that's it i i love when that yeah it's i like getting yeah kind of roughed up exactly

00:41:49.500 there's something there because i don't know what it and then maybe that's part of like the

00:41:53.380 addiction of that is like something about that makes you feel something you know um but so there

00:41:59.220 was this element of okay like the transition of those things and then on the curse when I had this

00:42:03.880 like long hair I was like okay there needs to be a pool scene because if I'm in the water that's

00:42:09.440 like the last thing you should do when you have a wig is you go in the water because it can highlight

00:42:14.380 everything that's wrong with it but I'm like that will prove to people to just forget about it not

00:42:20.580 think about it and so in this case we had different looks you know different styles styled hair gelled

00:42:27.180 um to cover up some of the thinning you know because you're always looking trying to figure

00:42:31.380 out how to make it look a certain way and then there's when you first wake up and then there's

00:42:35.220 also like just after a shower you know so we had different levels of wigs and mia was like in um

00:42:41.160 she did the hair and she was always like sculpting it in this way you know and trying to figure out

00:42:46.120 exactly where it was and we would always talk about what happened before this okay when he's

00:42:50.080 just getting up in bed or he's just getting out of the hospital when he's in the hospital it's a

00:42:53.780 little bit longer yeah you know and and then on top of that i was like i gotta show a head shave

00:42:59.460 because how do you that will just wipe anything out you know and cause was like i can do that

00:43:05.920 and so then i had to get a real barber because you got to be very handy with the clippers

00:43:10.460 to shave shave it yeah you know and so and again it was just like it's a part of it's a it's a 100

00:43:18.480 percent thing you everything has to be connected in that way to kind of make it pull off but and

00:43:22.660 it and it did i mean i think that meticulous like attention to detail obviously shown through and

00:43:27.100 i i can't imagine that there's a better rock acting role i mean he really really popped

00:43:34.860 through as an actor it really for me it was just like wow i can i i feel like like oh i i could

00:43:41.460 ask him to do anything it was either this or or moana for me yeah for his best well no the thing

00:43:47.180 is there's an there's an there's an element of magnetism that he has yeah oh yeah that like that

00:43:52.000 that's why those are so successful yeah and it comes through because like you just want to you

00:43:59.080 want to be in that gaze you know because you feel it yeah and like you were saying it's real and so

00:44:04.860 now it's just taking that and using it in another way you know and there's yeah there's like there's

00:44:11.800 there's flaws dude you uh the way the way you perceive life has to be pretty interesting because

00:44:17.580 as a director like we even sat down here and you're you made like a direct d like comment

00:44:24.280 like i feel like i feel like you're always living life through that that lens yeah but it's also

00:44:28.860 interesting because you're also an actor yeah which is fascinating yeah like like even like

00:44:34.060 i actually wasn't even really sure like who you were because i've seen you be so many different

00:44:38.820 many people that's and they they they there's not a lot of big through line like dude i dude

00:44:44.920 when i watch good time and i saw your character i i have to say i literally google i was like 0.55

00:44:49.980 who the fuck is that that was actually the first time i wow oh oh man yeah i i was like i wasn't 0.54

00:44:56.000 sure if like that was actually you yeah yeah then i was like wait he's like also directing the movie 0.81

00:45:01.680 and wrote these movies and it's like it's wildly impressive i i'm i'm i have a selfish question

00:45:10.420 um like i'm just so curious like how did you get away with playing someone who's like mentally

00:45:15.940 impaired yeah and and and how are you not afraid of like what the reaction to that would be well

00:45:21.840 it's i'm not thinking about that reaction you know because like we we looked for somebody you know 0.59

00:45:29.280 who could play that part and we interviewed a ton of people and he said fuck it i'll do it myself

00:45:33.960 yeah yeah that's insane for that character that's insane so it's like i was like but there was an 0.65

00:45:42.300 element of like oh the things that this character needs to do to get somebody to do that yep you

00:45:49.180 would have to be doing a lot of stuff to it would just be like it would not be nice to the person 0.79

00:45:54.600 you know so i'm like you know what fuck it i'll do it and it was like and i had been working on 0.86

00:46:00.040 it i there was it's funny i'd been working on that character with what with the guy who wrote 0.87

00:46:04.040 the movie with us there and ronnie and it was just that character came from myself there was a part

00:46:10.660 there was a time in my life where i was like internal and i was just like i wanted nothing

00:46:17.100 to do with anybody else and i was just like i'm going inside air conditioning is sick to 50 you

00:46:22.340 know, like drawers closed and I'm like nothing. So like, there's an element of me that is in that

00:46:28.260 character. And I just felt, you know what, that's why I can feel comfortable doing this is because

00:46:34.280 I know what that feels like at least. And I'm trying to at least be truthful to the emotions

00:46:39.820 of it, you know, just to quickly like to explain it, you know, there's the moment at the end when

00:46:46.020 i cross the room you know and that she was just she was somebody who works with the with she has

00:46:53.780 runs a class and it's a therapeutic environment that was her uh assignment for the class and we

00:47:00.520 told her about the movie and she was just going to ask questions and then it was on me to listen

00:47:05.700 or not you know and my my direction was i'm not going to cross the room she doesn't need to know

00:47:09.440 anything about me she's a stranger i don't care first thing that happens i walk in them she goes

00:47:14.480 oh, can I take your coat?

00:47:16.460 And I'm like, I'm not giving up.

00:47:18.160 I wasn't gonna give him my coat.

00:47:19.440 That was my thing.

00:47:20.480 It made me feel comfortable.

00:47:21.700 And she took the coat away and I was just like, oh.

00:47:24.200 And now I'm in the room and now I'm exposed.

00:47:26.340 And she starts asking questions.

00:47:27.720 Do you like candy?

00:47:28.560 Cross the room.

00:47:29.140 I'm like, she doesn't need to know if I like candy.

00:47:30.840 Not gonna cross the room. 0.93

00:47:31.620 Not gonna cross the room.

00:47:32.360 Not gonna cross the room.

00:47:33.200 And then she asked the question,

00:47:34.340 have you ever been blamed for something you've never,

00:47:36.480 that you didn't do?

00:47:38.120 And I just crossed the room.

00:47:40.500 And I was just like,

00:47:42.220 I can't believe that I just did that.

00:47:43.840 I, I, I went against what I wanted to do myself and it was just like, I just, I was just trying

00:47:51.920 to be truthful to what I thought that was like.

00:47:56.320 And I, and in that sense, I was like, if it doesn't work, then it doesn't work, you know,

00:48:01.900 but like.

00:48:02.560 That's gambling.

00:48:03.140 Yeah.

00:48:03.420 Like what you talked about earlier, that's gambling.

00:48:05.320 Okay.

00:48:05.680 Yeah.

00:48:05.940 That was gambling.

00:48:06.820 Yeah.

00:48:07.140 i i just am so curious how you can go from being a director someone who

00:48:12.300 like has to have a level of control yeah to being someone else in kind of just being

00:48:20.480 yeah and letting go of that control the duality is fascinating well that's and it's and it's

00:48:25.520 interesting because it helps me like doing that helps me be better at directing because now i'm

00:48:32.000 somebody else's ship you know and i'm seeing how they work and i'm like oh that's pretty cool oh

00:48:37.820 that made me feel a certain way i like that you know that kind of little that little jab or

00:48:42.980 whatever made me better so if i can do that then maybe i can do that you know i can i can do it on

00:48:48.800 something else i'm working on are you are you method no you're not i'm not well i'm not method

00:48:54.420 in the sense that like as soon as it's over i'm back to like i'm talking like this you know i'm

00:48:58.920 Like it's, there's no, I can go in and out, you know, but there's an element of like,

00:49:03.400 for example, like Happy Gilmore 2, you know, I had, I was like, I didn't, I didn't have

00:49:10.200 to, I didn't have to have that like facial hair.

00:49:14.620 It could have been put on me every day and I didn't have to dye my hair.

00:49:18.200 You know, they could have done that every day, but I thought, you know, I need to walk

00:49:22.420 around the world with this look to get comfortable with it just to be like i don't want to have to

00:49:29.880 think about it that's it i just don't want to have to think about what i look like because then that

00:49:35.240 just will make the performance a little better so in that sense it's method but i'm not like

00:49:39.120 being the guy all the time it's like it's just you get you just you do it you turn you go in

00:49:44.580 like okay now we're gonna do it then and i think like specifically it was like when i had to do

00:49:48.840 the accent in Oppenheimer it's like oh my god like this is like he asked me how's the accent

00:49:55.060 working I'm like oh my god I'm like I gotta do that I actually gotta do this what was harder

00:49:58.460 that one or being what was it autistic it was just like there was there was a there was a

00:50:03.720 developmental um thing it was intellectual developmental just and it was maybe there

00:50:08.980 was a level of like there was anxiety there's a whole bunch of stuff in that character you know

00:50:12.740 um but they're they're just they're different you know you're you you approach each one very

00:50:17.760 differently and i'm approaching them the same you know i'm like okay this is just a different

00:50:22.520 challenge you know what am i gonna do here and that one was just hard because i was like okay

00:50:27.640 i'm gonna sound like like i don't want to it's like it's i'm like i'm gonna sound like this guy's

00:50:33.620 an intense accent you know and i was just like i'm gonna open up my mouth and everybody's gonna be 0.90

00:50:38.240 like this is the stupidest fucking thing i don't understand how you end up in that position and so 0.89

00:50:42.860 like i seriously how are you but i did i've done stand-up comedy that's one thing that actually did 0.94

00:50:47.640 help me a lot okay okay and i would do i did stand-up comedy in high school as a character

00:50:51.720 and the whole point of the character was he's gonna be the worst comedian in the world but

00:50:58.700 he doesn't know that he thinks he's doing the thing that everybody else is doing he's just

00:51:04.460 unaware he thinks oh i know how to tell a joke talk about my life hey went to the supermarket

00:51:09.500 the other day what i buy and that's why it's funny and that's why it's funny like dax flame

00:51:14.360 yes yes do you know who that's yes i do yeah but i don't know if like i don't know us either 0.55

00:51:20.260 i could not tell exactly character or if he's not but either way it's it's fucking hilarious yes

00:51:29.900 and so there's and then there's like that's like what andy kaufman is doing all this stuff and so

00:51:33.400 i would go out into these like open mic nights and i would do this thing and i would be it was

00:51:38.520 it was like a black hole you know it was like a black hole you go out there and you're just like

00:51:42.960 i'm submitting myself to the most it's basic you got balls kids you got balls you do got balls

00:51:49.160 you have balls okay i appreciate it oh balls yeah and so it's it's i remember just going out there 0.61

00:51:55.700 and then it's just like black and you're telling these jokes and at some point it's like a black

00:52:00.280 hole and people can't heckle you because it's on your i'm trying to be unflappable but i'd go there

00:52:05.720 as the character so they wouldn't see me switch so that's where i would be method is when i'm in

00:52:09.720 there waiting yeah i'm the guy yeah because i didn't want anybody i didn't want anybody to be

00:52:13.900 laughing at the fact that i was doing that i wanted them to think i was a real person that

00:52:18.320 was all i wanted and so that's that was how i went in there and i think there was something

00:52:23.780 about that that realized like oh yeah just go and try it well that's the worst that can happen

00:52:29.120 yeah you know it's like that's gambling yeah well that's of course that feeling also scares people

00:52:33.220 the answer to what's the worst that can happen well by the way we say that all the time yeah

00:52:37.440 what's the worst that could happen yeah well it could be pretty bad it could be yeah but it's like

00:52:42.100 when they say go talk to that girl what's the worst that could happen oh my god she can say no

00:52:45.680 it's easy to say no it gets worse yes it's easy to say but like sometimes like when you like that

00:52:53.280 um i was talking to mark about this you know because like when the movie was premiering in

00:52:58.140 venice i'm nervous you know you get butterflies in your stomach and he's like that's like fight

00:53:03.560 night when you go out there you get nervous yeah and he's like that feeling is addictive

00:53:07.640 trying to chase that feeling of that he goes it's dangerous to be addicted to that kind of thing

00:53:14.000 but like i guess part of me maybe has that like i like going into those environments and like

00:53:21.080 okay there's no net you know do you want to know do you want to know why and the best thing about

00:53:26.480 it because i've dealt with ang severe anxiety my whole same here my whole life and at certain

00:53:32.340 points in my life it was especially coming off of drugs and everything's happened since then there

00:53:36.860 were times where if i wanted to go to the gym it was hey what time can you meet me in front of the

00:53:42.580 gym so that we can go into the gym together and if i wanted to go to a restaurant it was what time

00:53:46.420 are you going to be there exactly yeah i don't want to be around people yeah one of my you know

00:53:52.160 like security blank friends you don't want to sit there waiting everybody looking at you exactly

00:53:57.360 until i realized that the solo missions that presented what i considered to be the cause of

00:54:05.440 the anxiety yeah were actually the cure to the anxiety because the resistance is what you need

00:54:11.260 to go head first into to actually cure yeah and it's it's it's exactly that you know i had a uh

00:54:18.500 a psychiatrist who said to me um because it's like i was like what are we gonna do what is this like

00:54:25.920 how does this work and he's like well what we do is we're going to take he he mentioned like it's

00:54:30.700 like cancer therapy you take all of in cancer you take all the blood outside of the body and you

00:54:35.000 treat it and then it goes back inside and then you hope that it fixes it because what we're going to

00:54:40.640 do here is we're going to talk about it and we're going to put out everything onto the table and

00:54:45.740 we're going to look at it and we're going to observe it then we're going to put it back in

00:54:49.200 your head and i'm like okay and i'm like then i'm like that's what you could do with a movie you

00:54:54.900 know and if you could do that with a movie awesome that's that's what you do oh that's what you do

00:55:00.960 great job of it thank you incredible i'm still just so curious how you end up in these vastly

00:55:06.460 different roles you have an answer like how are you in a position where you're like damn i got

00:55:11.200 to learn an accent okay so that oh you're being edward teller yes father of the hydrogen yes and

00:55:16.060 so that to me is like so it's when when so when chris like asked me to like have a meeting and

00:55:21.860 he tells me about this i'm christopher nolan yes chris you know chris it's just me chris

00:55:27.980 but he's dj you know i'm hanging out with all my boys so we're we're talking about it and i'm like

00:55:33.600 you get you i said you don't and he didn't know this i said but i am obsessed with physics in

00:55:39.960 high school i almost was a physicist yes no way i was almost a physicist 50 50 coin tossed between

00:55:45.600 being a filmmaker and a physics teacher that's where i was gonna go bro okay so i'm learning

00:55:51.380 all this stuff standard model i'm doing all this stuff with this teacher at columbia but cosmic

00:55:56.520 rays and all this stuff and i learn it and in the process of learning and i loved the theories and

00:56:02.800 the ideas behind it but i realized oh i like telling other people the theories i like getting

00:56:07.860 them to understand it also so that's kind of like the transition between the two but i was obsessed

00:56:13.500 and i still am i love physics and i said so you have no idea what this means to me that now i get

00:56:21.100 to basically cosplay as like this one thing that i wanted to be yeah you know a physicist yeah so

00:56:26.920 it really was like oh these two things coming together in an interesting way and and maybe

00:56:32.860 that's it it's just like you're i'm open to something that you know that's amazing yeah

00:56:37.920 it's a very important attribute to people that work in the space and it's like and it's like

00:56:41.780 you learn things you know about just like okay well specifically like like yeah you do you just

00:56:49.800 want it you should just do that thing that makes you excited what is that you know and there's

00:56:55.320 something about just being like okay i'm gonna try that now and then when somebody asked me to play

00:56:59.520 like a father in like are you there god i'm like that's me i am a father you know like it's like

00:57:05.420 nobody sees me that way and i was like i can't believe you saw me that way i'm gonna try this

00:57:09.800 i have two boys i've never been the father of of of a daughter and i'm like i'm gonna explore what

00:57:16.200 that might be like what are what are moments where because like I know I desperately want to

00:57:20.660 understand my kids and I want to help them and what if I was in a position where I actually

00:57:24.900 couldn't understand what they were going through you know physically what would that make me feel

00:57:28.320 like you know I'm just thinking about that stuff and it it helps me because it's also like I get

00:57:32.400 to do things that I wouldn't necessarily do in some of my other thing my work that I'm directing

00:57:37.000 you know so it gives me the opportunity to work with new people learn new things and that's how

00:57:42.260 i look at it your curiosity and your exploration of self and the ability to kind of just dive in

00:57:49.220 with no net as you said is admirable it's really fascinating um and again the do your your duality

00:57:56.640 is crazy yeah physicist or filmmaker is like not like holy smokes dude yeah like that's both sides

00:58:02.760 of the brain yeah which i think is is the entity that is like a safety yeah um you work a lot with

00:58:08.780 your brother yeah the safety brothers yes guys made a name for yourself that's right a lot of

00:58:13.100 films um wildly successful you have a brother i have one brother the paul's paul's yep but we

00:58:20.400 we we fight people yeah and rile people up yeah uh you guys got beef no it's all good yeah all

00:58:29.600 good okay because you guys are now on your own like separate separate directed yeah it's the

00:58:33.700 kind of thing where it's like you you you work towards this thing and then you're like well now

00:58:38.160 what and you just want to explore different things you know it's like like because like

00:58:42.660 my personality is i'm open and i want to learn about all this stuff it's it's as you know it's

00:58:48.960 hard to align all the time on everything yeah oh oh for sure i wonder how like the russo brothers

00:58:54.520 do it yeah so it's like and there's only so much time on earth the rocket twins yeah well they're

00:58:59.480 twins that might be a little 24 group okay talk to me and oh yeah yeah we had they're good yeah

00:59:04.660 so it's just a matter of like okay well i i i got all this stuff i want to talk about and explore

00:59:09.980 so like i'm gonna go do that well okay yeah so sometimes you're acting yes in movies that you're 0.70

00:59:17.160 both directing yes does he ever give you a note and you're like eh fuck that note yeah yes it was 0.76

00:59:24.300 one time well there was one time where it was like we were i remember it was like so there was 0.84

00:59:30.660 this one guy in in the in the prison fight sequence the guy who i ripped the pocket off yeah

00:59:35.980 he's like so down to do his own stunts all this stuff and i tackled him and i was doing my own

00:59:41.560 stunts there so i tackled him and he's like i never want that to happen again and like great

00:59:45.560 fine you want to try now they bring in the the stunt double and this guy is like 280 and i'm just

00:59:54.360 like yeah yeah i'm looking at this and i'm like all right so i know that the camera is going to

01:00:02.040 be in a certain place where you're not going to be able to tell but i take this guy down and i had

01:00:06.600 my elbow underneath him and not to the side and there's no mat on the ground and i just ah right

01:00:14.680 and i'm just like oh man and my hand just starts twitching and i can't feel it i can't do it and

01:00:22.240 i have to now continue the scene and punch the guy and i'm punching him and he came up to me he's 0.92

01:00:27.280 like the punches look fake you gotta do this i'm like i can't feel my fucking hand right now i'm 0.93

01:00:31.920 like so enough with that you know so it's like literally you don't know what's going on right 0.87

01:00:36.400 now um so that was one of those moments but it's like it is a lot of the times it's like there is

01:00:40.900 just a when you're acting in it you're kind of like okay sometimes it's it's helpful like to

01:00:47.320 have somebody else you know there you know like i remember like when we were doing the curse with

01:00:51.460 nathan you know when we're acting in it you know like that we were helping each other out there

01:00:56.400 and you can you can have that outside perspective and um the yeah it was that was just also fun

01:01:02.600 because it was one moment where we were both doing we were acting in the scene together and

01:01:07.380 we were making the show together so it was this really weird meta moment where it was like all

01:01:12.560 right super weird it was very weird the ability to both act and direct yes is is is the thing ben

01:01:19.540 stiller does this a lot i i always wonder how because at least you guys when you're directing

01:01:24.780 yeah or acting together one of you's doing the other you can rely on the other yes but when

01:01:29.800 you're both in the scene or you're doing it in your own movie yeah that's when it's like oh this

01:01:34.140 is but it was the cat it was i remember there was one moment when um in it was in the curse and i

01:01:40.180 was sitting there and i had to i had to cry i'm talking to the the the little girl and i'm trying

01:01:47.100 to get her to curse me and i wanted i wanted to let her know like okay when i get to this moment

01:01:54.380 that's when you can scream you know like and so i remember i'm like getting to the place right

01:02:00.600 the tears will come and she's i'm talking to her and she's about to scream and i just like in the

01:02:06.980 take as a rolling i'm just like no way shook my head not yet directed her in just like not yet

01:02:13.280 yeah and then she stopped um but so you it's you do have to be able to like be in two places at

01:02:21.100 once yeah and i think that that's it's just it's not multitasking because but like you're just

01:02:27.540 trying to do a lot at the same time yeah um and so there's a part of me is like when i'm acting

01:02:34.460 it's like it's great because like i don't have to worry about stuff that i normally would have

01:02:38.720 to worry about but then at the same time i can approach it and be like i can maybe do the director

01:02:42.820 a favor and just be you're never gonna have to think you don't even worry about me don't even

01:02:49.060 don't even ask me i'll do it you know it's like that so approaching it from that just because

01:02:54.220 like i that's what i would want so i can approach it from that way yeah um and so that's like that's

01:03:00.160 where it's like but then at the same time like you you have to like how much do you want me to do

01:03:04.320 what do you want me to add like all that stuff it's just a conversation do you like acting or

01:03:08.400 directing more they're connected they're connected i don't like either i love them both and i think

01:03:14.680 that they make each one makes me better at what i'm trying to do in that moment so there's very

01:03:22.120 diplomatic response but it's true you know but you don't have a preference no because it's it

01:03:27.760 it's like it's the kind of thing where like i was editing smashing machine and then i was

01:03:32.000 he edited it too i edited it yeah and it's like i'm sitting in on with my laptop in the trailer

01:03:38.860 on happy gilmore 2 editing that's insane and got i movie pulled up yeah so it's like um and it's

01:03:45.340 like but but there's an element of just like i it was helpful in that moment to do something else

01:03:52.320 bro you're you're happy you're you're you're happy gilmore character

01:03:56.300 editing the movie that you directed while filming the other it's just fascinating yeah i don't think

01:04:05.420 a lot of people have this capacity dude it's i i don't it's like i i can't i'm i'm out i can't like

01:04:11.920 conceptualize okay you know i can't see it no it's not normal because because when i'm when

01:04:16.720 it's happening maybe you are the character from good it's possible yeah it's like it's there's

01:04:21.560 i look at it and it and it doesn't it's like at times i'm like oh i don't know how that happened

01:04:27.500 it just happened you know it's because you love it yeah and trying to explain it's like some stuff

01:04:31.960 is just not easy to explain yeah it's like when i it's like that's why i was really happy not not

01:04:37.020 to go back to another topic but i will uh when you were talking earlier about being able to really

01:04:42.220 like showcase addiction yeah in this current movie like it the way it came through and his like

01:04:47.840 slow spiral and him trying to justify and, and make it seem okay that he was on the floor for a

01:04:54.560 while and make it not a big deal. I go, I was on the floor. Yeah. Couldn't wake up. I couldn't get

01:05:00.440 up. And he was laughing about it. And then dude, that you really nailed some of those things so

01:05:05.120 much. Like there's a lot of times where it's jokes, it's jokes, it's jokes. And then someone

01:05:09.900 puts their hand on your shoulder and it's waterfalls. And those moments, dude, like I'm

01:05:14.740 getting goosebumps really like even talking about it it's it that juxtaposition that you did between

01:05:19.900 a very strong man and the showcasing that addiction is even stronger was really important

01:05:25.920 like you should you should understand it was really impactful i appreciate that and then

01:05:29.140 another thing i wanted to show is that like when somebody gets better like the people around you

01:05:34.920 that's a difficult thing to work with and so that's where i'm like i remember writing the line

01:05:40.800 being like oh that's not nice like just because you got your shit together for 21 days doesn't

01:05:48.240 make you better than me yeah and i was like i don't like that but i felt that before and 0.90

01:05:55.180 i was like i'm gonna just you know what fuck it i'm just putting that in yeah because that's a 0.59

01:06:01.360 thing that people feel and maybe it's not the right thing to say but if you see somebody else 0.75

01:06:08.020 say it then you might be like oh okay you know i've had that feeling before maybe i don't feel

01:06:13.220 as bad about it you know i'm just i was watching it also just kind of mad because i'm shopping

01:06:17.620 my book right now for motion yeah and the safety brothers were on the list and now you did an

01:06:23.280 addiction piece and it's just not gonna piss bro wait do his movie he already did why no no this

01:06:29.900 is different wait we're not gonna make the deal right here we have to no please you gotta you

01:06:34.180 got to talk to see that that is that is that is interesting how are you choosing projects like 0.63

01:06:38.920 like he does have a fucking insane best-selling book it's it's again it's it's what what i'm

01:06:46.320 gonna what i'm excited about what i want to do miles teller is attached to play him oh really 0.86

01:06:50.560 no he's not well he is now you're involved now i didn't ask him about it no this is bro this is

01:07:00.180 great miles teller you're doing it all right now i'll make a cameo okay dwayne said he was down as

01:07:05.880 well wait how about this how about this can you can you read can you read three pages of the book

01:07:12.040 if i send it to you oh for sure just give me three yeah i want to just read it to hear what

01:07:15.820 it sounds like it's it's a really good book this guy should be should have been dead yeah

01:07:19.560 10 times and back again good for you and and survive the opiate addiction good for you the

01:07:24.360 whole epidemic that's not easy no you know that is not easy and it's like all the power to you

01:07:30.820 because that's the that's a beautiful thing you know recovery true recovery is one of the greatest

01:07:34.780 well you know i'm i wouldn't say that i'm recovering in all aspects yeah but i definitely

01:07:40.780 i've gotten better yeah say that no but that's okay you know it's like you you you got rid of

01:07:45.080 the thing that was destroyed yes correct you know correct was julia fox really the muse for

01:07:49.540 uncut job i have no idea dude what i mean how do you like when things that you do that are in a

01:07:56.240 very serious vein of art you can't control it it's not up to you but do you like it it's kind

01:08:00.860 of fun yeah because it's like you can't control it and it's like hey it's connecting you know

01:08:04.500 the it's like i didn't expect the thing with me and the bigger mom to become a thing but it did

01:08:10.780 and it's like okay that's funny like dude when you were making all these like sick movies did

01:08:14.920 you ever think to yourself man one day i'm gonna be sitting on a couch with logan paul talking

01:08:18.840 about these things like you know what i'm saying i'm not thinking about anything yeah you don't

01:08:23.300 even us either you know what's going on in our brains you know that little monkey with the

01:08:26.900 symbols exactly exactly that's us be here now that's what i say yes so hey you want to know

01:08:34.120 one other thing i could ask you too and this might be even more okay now it's a second favor 0.54

01:08:37.740 i've asked you yes i've will promote the shit out of it in one of your next movies can i just 0.57

01:08:45.620 get like the smallest extra roll like zero dude like like zero this is crazy it doesn't even have 0.75

01:08:52.100 to be lines like i can pick up a garbage bag something just like this i'm an east coast guy

01:08:57.100 i got depth dude let's talk about it please bro i'll go through i know you love the union the

01:09:01.600 thing the thing the thing that i yeah you got to go through the union um but it's funny you

01:09:06.960 mentioned background on this you'd be perfect no no no but no but here's the thing specifically

01:09:12.560 on this movie we were obsessed with everybody in the background i noticed because if one person

01:09:19.820 is doing something that is out of place your eye goes to them because i'm using these shots that

01:09:24.980 are long and i saw a mercedes from the late from the mid 2000s yes i had to tell you do okay so

01:09:30.680 that's in japan i know because japan we could only if they this is the thing that's weird about

01:09:34.640 japan they don't save old stuff they move on to the new thing so it was really hard to find cars

01:09:40.100 what about ai it was i didn't want to do i wanted to do it all in camera so i i just put stuff in

01:09:45.180 the foreground and i figured you wouldn't notice yeah i have a problem so okay but i'm talking

01:09:50.620 about like the people the people in the deep background in when they're in like that in that

01:09:55.040 um ufc locker room all the people talking we are looking at everybody making sure that everybody

01:10:00.780 is doing something and we're involved like okay that was too much like why would you do that you

01:10:06.380 would just be sitting there flipping through your book that's fine you can do that that's okay you

01:10:09.940 know and i can flip and it's and it's hard and it's hard i know it is no i think i do it he could

01:10:15.800 he could flip i've started okay picture great you know and that's the thing is like it's not

01:10:21.460 it's not just in the background it's like you are you're a part of it i'll look at all the faces

01:10:26.540 i literally have them send me every single person and i'll look at all the faces and i'll pick who's

01:10:32.380 in the room because it's all important dude your attention to detail is magnificent it's part of

01:10:38.200 the reason the film feels so real oh man because it does i was trying i was trying i was waiting

01:10:43.000 for a moment to be like taken out yeah you know what you know what else i was watching in this

01:10:46.420 particular film the people who aren't known for acting act yeah bader bader actually oh i was i

01:10:53.660 was waiting to catch him acting yeah and i didn't see it i even i even thought this might be like

01:11:00.960 me overanalyzing but okay i have found that a lot of fighters currently but especially back then

01:11:10.520 yeah are a little awkward in front of the media yeah like like they're not huge personalities

01:11:16.580 it's it's it's part of the reason my brother's boxing career is so successful yeah because he

01:11:21.160 is he knows how to use it he knows how to use it yeah he's he's he's an entertainer first yeah and

01:11:26.340 then became a really good boxer um and i and and i see a lot of boxers that they you know or any

01:11:32.680 fighters freeze up when they when the camera gets on them because it's scary it's you're in front of

01:11:36.860 a lot of people it's like you're a trained fighter it's not like you're you're an entertainer um

01:11:41.280 and back then i i i noticed um a lot of these interviews when when people didn't really see

01:11:47.100 the intersection between entertainment and combat or like necessarily the value of it yes

01:11:51.780 they were really awkward yeah i don't i felt like bader especially even dwayne yeah they were

01:12:00.720 awkward ish in front of the media yeah but they were better like acting when they weren't in

01:12:07.880 front of it was that like an intentional for sure i wanted to show what the interviews were like

01:12:12.180 how they were different yeah in an interview so i'm like oh yeah i'm like i'm so happy you picked

01:12:16.720 up on that i felt it because like the interviews are a different moment of their lives and a

01:12:21.100 different side of who they are and you see that performance happen yeah and like specifically with

01:12:26.860 beta i always wanted to be like you good always before the take like ask and then like settle

01:12:31.980 into interview mode like yeah he needs to know when to turn on yeah and like at the end like okay

01:12:37.240 got it great move on like that kind of thing so it was a lot of like thinking about that so and

01:12:42.560 specific but it's and yeah and when you're and also i got to do interviews you know you got to

01:12:47.060 talk about things and and one thing that i loved about mark was he would use the interviews to try

01:12:52.020 and understand himself like that was his opportunity to to kind of i guess be in therapy

01:12:57.980 maybe interesting because he would talk about these really deep concepts about why he fought

01:13:04.520 there's an interview that he did where he's like if you ask me why i fought i don't know and he was

01:13:09.940 just so open about it yeah and i thought that's incredible you know so i wanted to like show when

01:13:14.680 he's showing he's talking to the guy he's making this crazy analogy about the laser beam and the

01:13:18.400 flashlight yeah and the guy's like i i didn't i didn't get that actually well it's basically what

01:13:22.340 he's like if you're if you're a laser beam you're hyper focused on what you need to achieve okay if

01:13:27.500 you're a flashlight it spreads everywhere okay i see i see yeah i see and he's like and then he's

01:13:31.760 like otherwise you'll let your emotions your anxiety take over yeah you know yeah and i liked

01:13:35.680 that the guy's like wow that was not what i was expecting you know but that's the thing is like

01:13:40.520 This is where I'm like, the performance aspect of what I love

01:13:43.560 is getting that genuine, huh, from somebody.

01:13:48.900 That's what I'm chasing.

01:13:50.700 That's like, when that happens, you're like, oh, yeah.

01:13:53.120 Did you have any of those moments with Boss?

01:13:54.880 Oh, are you kidding me?

01:13:56.820 Boss is incredible.

01:13:59.460 And by the way, talk about fight history.

01:14:02.100 Yes.

01:14:02.820 So when he does the punching and it triggers the moment,

01:14:08.080 yep the whole time i'm like how is he gonna do this because it's a this is a hard thing how is

01:14:14.100 he gonna do it and i'm like all right maybe let's just do a rehearsal and i don't like to do

01:14:18.260 rehearsals you know i will shoot the rehearsal most of the time let's do a rehearsal he does

01:14:22.260 it and i hear that noise come out of him and i'm like let's stop let's go right now and he just

01:14:28.340 went and it was like it's gonna be a bull on pain i would have and it was the way i was just like

01:14:36.340 oh my god he's the most incredible awesome and then there's something that i love where the guy

01:14:40.720 who who puts his hand on his shoulder he sees him falling catches him i'm like that's it that's i

01:14:46.880 just wanted that i want anybody to be able to do that you know yep so um there's an amazing thing

01:14:52.140 um i sent it to duane it's rick danko from the band he talks about playing with dylan and all

01:14:59.040 that stuff and he says something really beautiful he's like it's i wasn't anticipating what he was

01:15:05.060 going to do i was anticipating what he was doing and that was like what an awesome statement and

01:15:11.680 he just also talks about like playing with other people he's like it's a it's a beautiful thing

01:15:16.000 when you're when that happens you know when you're all flowing in that flow state yep that's what

01:15:21.820 you're after you know was it like a boxing fan um i seen olexander oh my god throwing like kicks

01:15:30.980 and doing like takedowns and shit oh my god he came in like he threw that roundhouse kick and

01:15:36.140 i was just like yeah god he could do that as well he knows how to do the wrestling whoa and it was

01:15:41.180 it was amazing there was there was one moment which was like i was like okay this is one of

01:15:45.380 those were like okay how do i do this um he had just won now he's the undisputed heavyweight

01:15:50.120 champion of the world he shows up on set and he's a boxer and a boxer's punches are tight to the

01:15:55.220 body fast when you're down on the ground ground and pound you're wide and you're throwing like

01:16:00.380 that it's a different style so he gets down on the ground and he's doing his boxing punches and

01:16:05.340 you can't see it and so i'm like oh my god i gotta get in there i gotta teach this guy i gotta teach 0.90

01:16:11.520 you who's the guy to throw a punch on the ground and so i'm just like you know what fuck it i'm 0.75

01:16:14.900 going in i'm doing it and i get down and there's this picture of me like wailing and he's looking 0.85

01:16:19.420 at me and this is what's amazing about him is he's watching and he's like okay and he wants to learn

01:16:24.800 and he wants to do it and he goes in there and he does it you know and that's just like he is

01:16:29.160 he is so humble and he's such an amazing guy but like again he wanted to learn that and he's like

01:16:35.640 okay and then he did it and he got there because I said to him like you're the heavyweight champion

01:16:39.380 in the world your punches can't look like that yeah you gotta be like yeah and it was there was

01:16:44.240 another moment when Bader um because it's like I would stack the shots so you'd throw the punch

01:16:49.760 and then you got to like throw your head back because the other thing is is like when you get

01:16:52.800 punched you don't go to the side you go head back and I wanted that to be a thing you know because

01:16:56.600 greg romanto the stunt coordinator who did an incredible job on this you know that was one

01:17:01.520 thing we always talked about so he we're doing the night and and um usik throws a jab and i'm

01:17:06.440 like oh beto you didn't react he goes i didn't see it that's how fast it was whoa i didn't even see

01:17:11.360 it and yeah it's amazing wow that's awesome yeah hey before we're getting the the uh the sign from

01:17:17.040 the team okay you've been very gracious with your with your time i have this i'm a movie obsessive

01:17:23.200 yes obsessive and i have this i could tell you got like a insane knowledge guy movie list yeah i

01:17:29.180 have this guy movie list like it is it is wow massive you have to send me that i will okay

01:17:33.860 it's all the like lock stock i love it and rock and roll and every guy movie okay i have to ask

01:17:39.340 you whether you want to do top three or top five okay guy movies okay ever um rocky three rocky

01:17:50.140 three um oh there's the um damn superlatives you're so hard i know this is like right now

01:18:00.000 my brain is going through all this list so rocky three is definitely there um interesting three

01:18:06.000 three you know why because he he loses he's at the top of his game and he loses yes and he's got

01:18:14.360 to find himself i'm like oh there's and there's an element of like stallone himself coming across

01:18:19.400 because he was at that place in his career and it was just like and i just also love like him

01:18:24.340 and apollo in the gym there's just so much in that and mr t is incredible yeah yeah he's just

01:18:29.860 like aggressive um uh so yeah like i think so and then so they have rocky three um

01:18:38.480 you give me one just to spur okay okay for me a lot of it's i mean i have i do have fight club

01:18:45.880 been there yeah because i thought it was just such an yeah yeah like intellectual journey but

01:18:49.380 for me my top two are newer okay i'm a huge no country guy okay i just just what what uh bardem

01:18:57.580 did in that movie was just incredible and the brothers incredible both both of mine are actually

01:19:01.960 brolin movies okay so i love sicario okay i think sicario the score the way shot like the whole

01:19:08.260 cartel you know i'm just going free association crimson tide popped into my head okay yeah okay

01:19:13.440 crimson tide there um all on my list um a lot of gene hackman movies yeah yeah any gene hackman

01:19:19.640 movie goes right there oh butch cassidy in the sundance there you go now it's flowing yeah yeah

01:19:23.960 okay um cool hand luke yeah see these are like real answers i feel kind of like weird now my

01:19:29.500 answers are so like no it's okay but like that that because it's they're all connected i needed

01:19:33.680 to hear what you were saying because it's like no countries that's that's there you know um but

01:19:39.220 then you got um what's a what's uh the firm oh these are what about heat heat oh my god heat

01:19:48.020 one of the best shooting shootout scenes yes maybe the best one of the best in history um

01:19:53.000 godfather godfather you know um dog day afternoon yeah it's a good one um

01:19:59.980 there's yeah what's i'm there's i want to the way i'm like looking at is tbs

01:20:05.600 wednesday night that's kind of what i'm like that's kind of how i'm the rock yeah so it's

01:20:10.540 yes that's a good one with us uh uh oh last crusade indiana jones last crusade yeah um sean

01:20:17.120 connery uh what about interstellar interstellar definitely he's got oh yeah he's got his three

01:20:22.260 yeah let's hear it interstellar i like the prestige prestige is awesome i love that that's

01:20:29.060 one that doesn't get enough no it does not it does not get it dude there's a few hugh jackman

01:20:33.560 movie yeah that go way under the radar yeah how the other one i think is called prisoners or no

01:20:38.980 no he's not in that one no oh hugh jackman yes oh sorry i heard you say gene hack yeah no

01:20:44.000 prisoners is an incredible i have not seen prisoners oh dude very it went so far under

01:20:50.180 you have to see that movie wasn't jake gyllenhaal in this yes he was that's i remember watching it

01:20:55.700 the first time i'm like i can't believe i've never heard of this yeah i don't know how what

01:20:58.780 happened with the marketing we'll save that for another day yeah uh i'm sending you this list

01:21:02.840 please do like a weird movies on air assassination of jesse jesse james with brad pitt was okay yeah

01:21:08.100 long character piece i'll send it okay have you seen my book have you seen the gentleman

01:21:12.340 no no the gentleman the it's it's a movie and now a show on netflix okay no yeah it's it's it's

01:21:18.640 newer i thought it was so fucking good okay matthew mcconaughey i haven't got to watch it 0.77

01:21:24.140 gotta watch i haven't seen it yeah it's solid um what there's oh uh yeah you gotta go oh 0.93

01:21:30.380 uh uh cold trickle days of thunder days of thunder days of thunder killer so we're sorry

01:21:38.780 824 we have them nerding out this is like him yeah i'm sorry it was the wrong question yes

01:21:44.140 you're asking and it's like now i'm like oh man but if okay if you want to go fight movies let's

01:21:48.960 just go fight movies requiem for heavyweight if you haven't seen it one of the greatest fight

01:21:52.740 movies ever well how do they fall awesome um and then there's uh there's one with uh kirk douglas

01:21:59.160 champion which is great i love you said you said requiem and you scared me a little bit because i

01:22:04.060 thought you're gonna say something else requiem for heavyweight it's a but you know which movie

01:22:07.280 yes i know exactly what you're talking about i don't only watch it one time exactly and you

01:22:11.040 gotta move on don't ever go back um it's horrifying and then the heart of they fall

01:22:14.700 is another great that's a big one with with bogart um but oh i love westerns too you gotta

01:22:20.180 there's like um unforgiving night moves is a great one with gene hackman um the unforgiving is great

01:22:26.320 uh 310 to yuma okay is that what's called that's a the the what's um american sniper

01:22:33.400 oh now we're at war yeah oh dude come on don't start a war american sniper yeah survivor oh my

01:22:39.760 god the greatest of all time saving private ryan yeah obviously what started all and then you have

01:22:44.100 um uh you got uh uh apocalypse now platoon you know it's insane we're lucky we're lucky that

01:22:53.020 we have all this stuff to watch yeah you know what i love is when somebody tells me a movie

01:22:56.200 that i don't that i've never seen i'm like yes where i tell somebody when they when i tell

01:23:00.780 somebody a movie they haven't seen i'm like oh you get to experience that yeah and i'm gonna

01:23:04.340 send you this list and you're gonna see it and on a final note thank you for bucking the trend

01:23:08.880 of shitty movies because you'll notice that so many movies we just brought up are like

01:23:12.980 90s early 2000s 80s there's a reason why we're not saying as many movies now thanks for bucking

01:23:19.020 that that means a lot thank you what a pleasure this is fun oh i have one more question okay sorry

01:23:25.000 i have to ask you yeah all right all right because you're you're obviously like you're a very

01:23:29.180 legitimate director okay and i'm curious about your take on ai filmmaking okay oh god 824 is

01:23:35.520 pissed well the thing is is like the way i look at it is ai is is it's assuming that we've learned

01:23:43.960 everything that there is to learn it's only about the past i'm like i'm wearing a shirt that says

01:23:48.700 remember the future sick you know ai is only as good as right now it will never take you one step

01:23:56.240 further what about si super intelligence where it starts to learn for itself and then it crushes

01:24:01.760 i don't know what that i don't know what that is wait wait i you still you want me to go back to

01:24:08.220 that no because i i uh i think i mean no it feels inevitable that we'll get to a point where it's

01:24:14.680 actually better than it is right now because it can self-learn yes and it'll study all the films

01:24:19.520 we all just named yeah and why they're gray and but then it's gonna it's gonna be a variation of

01:24:25.160 that and i think that there's something that happens like i love all these movies i'm i'm

01:24:29.280 trying to make something because i've seen like raging bull or fat city you know i've seen these

01:24:35.380 movies and i love them and then there's something that happens that's just chemical you know and

01:24:42.780 it's biological yeah i think you can't lose you know it's like you there's a conversation you're

01:24:48.660 having with that when you watch it when you know that you know that's why i think the question is

01:24:53.300 it ai is always there is because you want to know if it's real yeah so yeah well what happens when

01:24:59.660 we get to the point where we can't tell i think you'll always be able to tell no way i think you

01:25:04.200 won't know but then you're gonna find out oh okay you're gonna go and find out and then and then

01:25:08.760 what it's it kind of like takes away the yeah totally yeah exactly it's like then you're like

01:25:12.600 oh okay and it's like i'm not saying that like the technology isn't in like you can use it yeah

01:25:18.260 you know i'm just saying that like i have hope in human beings yeah yeah good luck with that

01:25:25.640 uh yeah this has been great dude okay thank you killer thank you so much for your time

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