Impaulsive with Logan Paul - Charlie Sheen On Losing Charlie Kirk w⧸ Rogan, Making $2M Per Ep of Two & a Half Men, 8 Years Sober

00:00:00.000 Hey what's up I'm Tony Gonzalez and I'm October Gonzalez but you can call me Toby. We want you to

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00:00:15.260 don't say out loud. You're probably just gonna be some rich guy and he's gonna whisk you away and

00:00:18.760 listen to No Safe Words with October and Tony Gonzalez on the iHeartRadio app,

00:00:25.160 apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast dude i can't believe it if what you had been

00:00:33.140 doing in the 90s was today you'd be dead easily who has a crazier story than you if they do i

00:00:38.400 don't think they're still with us we don't have like any kind of a drug past or anything you're

00:00:42.580 not yet no but what's that like like never you lost your virginity to a woman named candy yeah

00:00:48.100 where'd you find her the yellow pages at 15 15 yeah oh my god i want to talk about two and a

00:00:53.340 man, because CBS came to you and said, we don't want you to leave so bad. We'll give you a million

00:00:57.420 an episode. Yeah. You were married to Denise Richards. Enterprise. Yeah, man. Yeah, that

00:01:03.340 happened. People are going to see this and hear this and be like, oh, you talk about our. No,

00:01:07.780 it's not about that. It's not about you. It's about me. I wasn't being on Rogan. It was really

00:01:13.720 cool. His producer pauses. He says to Joe, he says, Charlie Kirchman shot. He's clinging to life.

00:01:18.900 And so we go out into the lobby, and one of his security guards says he just died.

00:01:34.580 Winning!

00:01:35.320 Oh, Jesus.

00:01:36.140 We are winning!

00:01:37.760 The way you're starting with that.

00:01:38.740 Oh, boy.

00:01:39.320 No, because we are, dude.

00:01:40.520 My brother says that all the time.

00:01:41.960 Yeah, because it's your brother.

00:01:43.220 Do you want to know what I said to him from a relatability standpoint?

00:01:45.660 It wasn't winning.

00:01:46.700 It was, I also have loaded s***.

00:01:48.360 into a single needle before and he said hey man when you're down to one needle what the hell else

00:01:52.600 are you gonna do this could get this could get off the rails dude dude i can't believe it

00:02:00.520 charlie c charlie c charlie c what the fuck is going on this is a trip dude it's crazy

00:02:09.960 welcome to impulsive man we thank you thank you we do these pdfs with our producers before these

00:02:16.480 show star and over the past couple days we've been looking at this thing i don't even know where

00:02:23.080 i mean dude this is one of the craziest this is one of the craziest things i've ever seen okay

00:02:27.320 crashing make-believe plane crashes with cage beating michael jordan at basketball platoon

00:02:33.960 ferris bueller's day off addiction 100 million on escorts men girls shootings ice cube up a butt

00:02:41.680 ice cube up a butt ice cube up the butt yeah yeah do you have the preeminent rock star actor story

00:02:47.960 i can't like who who has a crazier story than you um uh if if if they do i don't think they're

00:02:54.640 still with us um yeah good point yeah right i mean that's what i'd have to assume you know

00:03:00.640 is this mine do you want that yeah or is it just is it just no it is yours is it dressing or can

00:03:06.660 No, no, you can have it.

00:03:07.560 It's an energy drink.

00:03:08.680 Awesome.

00:03:09.060 Thank you.

00:03:09.740 Do you like caffeine?

00:03:11.360 I do.

00:03:12.260 Yeah.

00:03:12.720 Dude, caffeine's great.

00:03:13.980 Yeah.

00:03:14.400 You okay with stimulants?

00:03:15.940 I mean, yeah.

00:03:17.360 Yeah.

00:03:18.700 That's an affirmative.

00:03:19.820 There's 200 milligrams in there.

00:03:21.320 Oh, there is?

00:03:21.860 Yeah.

00:03:22.060 Okay, so don't chug it.

00:03:23.500 You know, we made the can big so you could sip it over time, and I like the flavor, so

00:03:26.780 like, yeah.

00:03:27.760 Cheers.

00:03:28.040 It's a slow drink.

00:03:29.040 Cheers, Charlie Sheen.

00:03:29.720 Right on.

00:03:31.200 Absolutely insane.

00:03:32.240 Well, we've been talking about doing this for a while.

00:03:34.860 A while.

00:03:35.140 Yeah.

00:03:35.640 Yep.

00:03:35.920 and then i kind of went um i didn't ghost and i didn't delete but i went i went quiet

00:03:40.320 on the um on the on the on the text uh thread that we had started yeah how how many people

00:03:45.820 were on that i think i think it was like four okay yeah maybe one more i don't know you were

00:03:52.280 you were left that happens to me a lot kind of kind of like with this company too i'm left out

00:03:56.720 all the good stuff wow no no it's not true he's phantom equity and by the way when i say phantom

00:04:00.740 equity i mean like a really small amount in lunchley right there like it's almost in a mile

00:04:04.880 that you wouldn't even want like notice but what is what is lunch lunchly is a lunch kit a better

00:04:09.320 for you lunch kit we made to compete with um lunchables okay lunchables the little like it's

00:04:14.300 like a little like snack meal kit yeah i mean if it's like the last fucking thing in the pantry

00:04:19.640 you'll need a lunchable i mean i've eaten lunchables like you know yeah on a road trip

00:04:25.780 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly after smoking too much meth he's like yeah this looks good he's

00:04:31.720 really leaning into the drug side yeah we're just like starting right there yeah i think i think so

00:04:38.720 he he was addicted to heroin for 10 years so i think he feels like he has to yeah that's all

00:04:43.620 that's all i think that's going to be our connection well that maybe the sex side there's

00:04:48.220 probably a few places we can relate to each other you know you know heroin's the one drug that i

00:04:53.160 that i never did how come uh and do you regret that well it's interesting um i don't regret it

00:05:01.580 because i i um i kind of made a decision and i didn't even know what it was based on it didn't

00:05:08.780 i didn't have any i hadn't done any research and didn't really have a ton of data um i saw heroin

00:05:14.180 as i would do it once and die or do it once and then need to do it every day for a long time

00:05:21.200 until i died you know well that's just objective truth that's right fact right but i just knew

00:05:27.520 that and so i was doing it would have been like 93 um and i was doing musketeers but i had to um i

00:05:36.260 had to leave and come back i was coming back through germany and i stopped off in hamburg

00:05:42.820 right yeah and i was with this limo driver and i said can you get me some some shit right can you

00:05:49.080 get me some shit and and and he said uh and i thought he knew i meant cocaine right so he

00:05:56.340 goes into a bar he comes back out and he hands a bindle into the back seat right and so uh it was

00:06:04.040 a trip so I open it up it's super dark right I I grab like a glob of it I don't even have a spoon

00:06:11.880 or a knife or anything and I grab a glob and I've got it up to my nose we pass um we're on the super

00:06:20.620 dark street he's going about 30 miles an hour it's about two in the morning and there's one

00:06:26.320 light from this pub like the thinnest dimmest light you can imagine that catches the bindle

00:06:34.180 for like a 50th of a second and i see that it's brown oh no and i get to hear and i'm like hey

00:06:42.420 Whoa, whoa, whoa, sir, this is not the shit that I was hoping for, right?

00:06:51.920 And so my buddy Dave, he's white Dave in the book, he would call it Schnee.

00:06:59.760 And we thought it was just a word that we made up, right?

00:07:03.340 Schnee turns out to be the German word for snow.

00:07:07.660 So he says up front, oh, Schnee, you wanted Schnee.

00:07:12.420 and so i probably was that close to just either diet or doing it for the rest of your life rigor

00:07:19.020 and foam or awesomeness yeah well it was probably and that was at a time before it probably would

00:07:25.260 have been a long-term awesomeness as you called it as opposed to rigor and foam because it was

00:07:29.740 pre-fentanyl yeah yeah so nowadays let's be honest mr sheen if what you had been doing in

00:07:36.280 the not 80s and 90s was today you'd be dead easily easily yeah because there's a real crisis

00:07:42.460 out there a real epidemic with fat and all and it's oh yeah it's wild yeah no um my ex-wife brooke

00:07:47.720 um her fiance this is a terrific guy uh uh name um well i probably shouldn't say his name but um

00:07:55.660 anyway he um he you know successful businessman decent dude terrific athlete put together young

00:08:03.640 33 whatever and just in and out of rehab in out of rehab and he went to a place and he and he

00:08:09.280 wasn't ready to settle in and he scored a bag from one of the other inmates one of the other

00:08:13.460 clients you know and went into the bathroom and just jammed a giant rail and he was dead before

00:08:19.580 he hit the floor oh my god yeah happens i know right yeah and like and it was it was it was

00:08:25.180 almost true fentanyl you know so i can't even imagine and it's like you know there's i i i

00:08:30.460 talk to people today or younger kids or whatever and and and and i tell them look man this is not

00:08:35.680 you know you can't you can't you can't party like sheen because it's not i said it's it's it's it's

00:08:41.120 russian roulette in a in a in a in a in a smith 649 with four bullets yeah you know that was for

00:08:49.440 the gun enthusiasts yeah yeah went over went over our heads no no no i got it i got it i got it this

00:08:55.940 might be a weird cta for the beginning of an impulsive episode but if you are partaking in

00:09:00.820 any of those activities please get test kits and and and test your stuff i know it's like a crazy

00:09:05.620 topic amazon right yeah yeah yeah so oh oh you can like yeah there's there's test kits out there

00:09:11.480 there's to take that even a step further um don't do drugs yeah don't do drugs sorry for the for the

00:09:16.720 niche audience out there that actually is just be be safe about it yeah i mean yeah the math is

00:09:21.320 pretty simple isn't it yeah it's so simple it's like one step it's pretty logical to me like you're

00:09:27.340 you're playing with your life you're gambling with your life right right right and even in a way

00:09:31.420 where if you were to do the stuff that you did back then today dude there's cameras everywhere

00:09:37.320 now that's yeah there's cameras yeah so like and if they're not stationed they are you know

00:09:43.960 hand held yeah you know and so like you you know you get caught you on camera drunk or high on

00:09:50.140 drugs doing some shit that is going to live forever sure you know maybe it'll be hard to

00:09:54.260 get a job or like you know lose friends whatever yeah it's like a face tattoo i mean i mean we

00:10:00.360 call it we call it a job stopper yeah yeah with the simplicity of uh of the dare program and

00:10:08.680 such such an easy don't do drugs what went wrong with you you know because everybody makes it very

00:10:15.480 simple and makes it this you know whole there's so much simplicity and don't do drugs but a lot

00:10:20.160 of people do yeah no it was just it was it was ingrained in the whole just in the in the in the

00:10:27.440 whole scene and the whole process um it was just it was it it was it was just always on the menu

00:10:34.900 you know it was always it was just it was just what everybody did you know and it was it was

00:10:40.640 just felt like a path that you followed if you you know you're struggling to get work and then

00:10:45.580 you hit big or get a job that leads to the next one that suddenly you know suddenly you're not

00:10:51.020 auditioning anymore and then you start making more dough and just more access and deeper into um

00:10:57.520 just um every every cookie jar you know and uh and then it it um yeah but it's it's interesting

00:11:06.860 because you know i talk about it in the book i talk about on the doc that that um that i was able

00:11:11.680 to you know to to to do it enough and then pull it back and go back to work and kind of just

00:11:17.600 you know to to deliver what what they hired me to do but then um you know that like i i would i

00:11:25.860 would try to um you know the stop start stop start well you know that whole thing of course um and

00:11:30.740 then it's you know we're like okay i need six weeks to get get you know get my head right for

00:11:36.240 this job and that turns into three and then yeah that turns into three days and then it's like um

00:11:42.740 do you guys really have to start when you said you were going to yeah do you really need me like

00:11:47.520 august 1st it's still kind of hot and you know what i mean it's like so then you start trying to

00:11:53.680 trying to negotiate everything you know um you didn't you you don't have like any kind of a

00:11:58.700 drug past or anything like you're not yet no no so okay that's funny um so plenty of times

00:12:06.100 but what's that like like never i don't mean to pry but that's a trip man like like just

00:12:14.440 drank a little bit in the high school and college or no i waited till i was 18 to drink so no none

00:12:20.220 in high school like dude ironically the dare program really worked on me like seriously dude

00:12:26.060 i don't want to like i don't want to judge anyone i didn't have the t-shirt but like where the cop

00:12:30.840 comes to the classroom yes dude it worked on i i literally was like dude people who are fucking

00:12:35.880 drinking in high school and even in college i this is i'm gonna get roasted for this but i was

00:12:40.740 like i just felt like they were fucking losers you're not gonna get roasted for it i just felt

00:12:45.560 like they were fucking losers bro like when i was in school i was like dude i'm here to get an

00:12:49.320 education so i can be successful when i'm older wow when i'm successful like yesterday last night

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00:15:35.660 Hey, what's up? I'm Tony Gonzalez.

00:15:37.140 And I'm October Gonzalez.

00:15:38.520 But you can call me Toby.

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00:15:44.600 where we get real about marriage, parenthood, sex, divorce,

00:15:48.120 and all the nitty-gritty stuff we all think about,

00:15:50.560 but just don't say out loud.

00:15:51.540 I hate that job.

00:15:52.560 You're probably just going to meet some rich guy,

00:15:54.180 and he's going to whisk you away,

00:15:55.400 and I'll never see you again.

00:15:57.760 Well, this is awkward.

00:15:59.460 Would you say a D-list actor?

00:16:01.240 D?

00:16:03.240 I don't even know.

00:16:04.020 There's such a thing as D.

00:16:05.060 No, no, no.

00:16:05.720 I mean, like...

00:16:06.260 I can't even get on the C-list?

00:16:07.160 Like, I'm not even average?

00:16:08.020 I'm not even passing?

00:16:09.000 I'm failing?

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00:16:20.140 but i also extremely different come up than you sure you grew up in a crazy scene your dad

00:16:27.140 legendary actor right on yeah i don't want to say like it like i mean i'm

00:16:32.100 it like nepo baby is not the right maybe not the right term i would say royalty

00:16:37.900 thank you thank you we didn't we didn't have that term 40 years ago you know yeah yeah no it was

00:16:45.920 you come from a family of royalty i mean your father your brother i mean it's it's it's one of

00:16:50.260 the most incredible stories in hollywood history right on thank you to watch all of the movies i

00:16:54.880 mean all the way through you know even your dad and movies that some of these people have seen

00:16:58.860 now some of the younger audience like the departed and and some of those movies but your your record

00:17:03.700 of movies and and um i mean i grew up probably with like hot shots so maybe like it was like

00:17:10.180 you know like uh platoon was probably a little bit before my time but i started watching it as

00:17:15.100 that was growing up so what what about what about movies or like shows that that you ultimately

00:17:19.680 were in like you you were supposed to be casting karate kid yeah i mean i actually was and had the

00:17:26.720 had the role for like three days what happened uh well like in the doc um i had agreed to do

00:17:34.440 the killer bear movie grizzly grizzly 2 obligation the revenge well i gave him my word you know yeah

00:17:42.800 I mean, the film was dog shit and whatever.

00:17:46.360 But I went to my dad and I said,

00:17:47.580 hey, pop, this incredible opportunity just fell in my lap.

00:17:51.580 And they want me in karate training like Monday.

00:17:55.240 And I said, but they want me in Budapest,

00:17:57.820 you know, on Monday also to go get eaten by a bear.

00:18:03.860 And he said, well, you know, you gave him your word.

00:18:08.440 So you got to honor that.

00:18:10.740 That's noble.

00:18:11.580 It is noble.

00:18:12.800 but damn and maybe yeah maybe it's karate kid maybe it got you maybe it got you future gigs

00:18:17.640 because of how good you were with your work with your word but i was just thinking about it when

00:18:21.860 i was looking at the pdf before and i was like how would a charlie sheen karate kid have like

00:18:27.580 altered reality like can you like you know the butterfly the butterfly yeah yeah 9-11 have

00:18:34.200 happened like what things could have been prevented wow with if i just yeah dude karate

00:18:39.920 dude like think about how if i was stuck in that role for 35 years yeah for the goodness it would

00:18:45.620 have brought to planet earth is what you're saying exactly yeah man who the hell knows yeah

00:18:50.060 who the hell could be a completely different world it really could we live in really could

00:18:54.360 but what what would ralph have then done like what evil would he have probably and unleashed

00:19:02.020 on the planet ralph macchio come on right yeah 100 plus million in escorts he would have gone

00:19:08.360 You guys would have just sipped his switcheroles.

00:19:10.520 That's got to be an exaggeration.

00:19:12.260 Is that printed?

00:19:13.820 It was in print.

00:19:14.800 Is that a quote from me?

00:19:16.280 Yeah, there was a question mark, and it was in bold, too.

00:19:19.640 That can't be real.

00:19:20.380 That's not real.

00:19:20.580 That's an overreach.

00:19:21.720 Can we do some math?

00:19:23.480 But hold on.

00:19:24.540 That's impossible.

00:19:25.940 Pat.

00:19:26.180 To spend $100, you've got to make like $240, right?

00:19:30.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:30.620 So.

00:19:31.220 Pat.

00:19:31.800 Well, I haven't made that.

00:19:33.020 Pat makes courts a write-off.

00:19:36.460 I'm sure in some states.

00:19:38.360 um yeah no that's uh i mean that that no that's that's that's like will chamberlain with the 20

00:19:46.000 000 girls right i mean someone broke that down that was like one every well that's what i was

00:19:50.780 minutes like 10 years or something crazy right we should do the math on it because you started with

00:19:55.020 a with an escort for you lost your virginity here in this very city right i did indeed yeah to a

00:20:00.360 woman named candy yeah where'd you find her uh in the yellow pages in the yellow pages at 15

00:20:07.620 at 15 yeah what was the advertisement um it was probably just you know call candy for a good time

00:20:16.620 no it was more it was more like the whole uh category it was like glamour girls or uh you

00:20:22.620 know midnight treat i don't know i'm just making shit up um you were you were built for this shit

00:20:27.460 maybe maybe um but it uh yeah i opened the door and it was like i did you know she as i say in

00:20:35.000 the doc and in the book she was uh she was ann margaret with a mastercard swiper you know um

00:20:40.660 and you know i was with my cousin joey and we were you know there's a line that wasn't in the book

00:20:46.880 because it didn't make any sense but i'd written it a long time ago and and and i described joey

00:20:51.220 and i as uh as two minor birds driving a ferrari and again it still doesn't make sense but but

00:20:58.020 that's just kind of just klutzy fumbling what are we doing you know this is so much different than

00:21:02.200 the magazines um but yeah it was awesome um you know i i i went first because because you know i

00:21:08.620 used dad's credit card yeah yeah we were here on a he had some business in town or some convention

00:21:15.220 or some film thing whatever and so we tagged along and he fell asleep and we you know went

00:21:21.040 into his wallet and this is amazing actually i went into his wallet i don't want to you know

00:21:25.880 add joey to that part of the you know the felonious uh evening um but you wouldn't even have had time

00:21:32.160 to have been in dare yet you're 15 years old and i guess it leads to me to this question of like

00:21:37.540 is the is the you once described as tiger blood but is is the dgen just in your system like for

00:21:45.480 me i was built for degeneratism okay recklessness okay how that presents itself how that manifests

00:21:50.780 itself in my life in any given time changes it could be drugs it could be women it could be a

00:21:54.840 million things right right but it's always felt like a piece of my dna when i was very young it

00:21:59.580 was just riding bikes off tall things and breaking bones because i didn't care what do you think was

00:22:04.600 the thing that you have that made you say you know what i'm going to have sex with 47 000 women i'm

00:22:09.680 going to try every drug i'm going to crash a plane i'm going to beat michael jordan i'm going to do

00:22:13.680 every single fucking thing and i'm never going to say no to any of it when you put it like that

00:22:19.280 sounds like somebody else's life um it it it wasn't as compiled or as condensed as you just

00:22:27.860 laid it out. It was more about, um, you know, navigating, uh, encountering each, each situation

00:22:34.700 scenario as they presented themselves, you know, and based on what, what the headspace was going

00:22:40.020 into it was kind of what, um, that, that drove, I think the results I was, I was looking for,

00:22:46.960 you know, um, what's that, there's a line in the book, um, uh, uh, you know, that, that you can't,

00:22:54.480 uh don't wear um uh hamburger pants on safari and not expect to be attacked by a lion you know

00:23:02.780 that makes sense in the book because it's connected to another thing

00:23:06.780 you're playing you're playing with fire yeah in the in the good old na program they say don't uh

00:23:14.460 you hang out at the barber shop long enough you're gonna get a haircut you're gonna get a haircut

00:23:17.420 right yeah or you're gonna learn how to cut it yeah that's a good point i mean never thought

00:23:22.400 is that not part of the no no because that would do we just enhance that yeah thank you i think

00:23:28.600 that would mean you just become a drug dealer instead of yeah in that circumstance yeah wow

00:23:33.900 that's funny um you're just you're just a you were a real down-ass dude yeah yeah yeah that's

00:23:42.700 well it's also this is not just nicotine just nicotine it's vanilla custard you you so you vape

00:23:49.520 i do i do well i smoked i smoked two packs of marble red soft pack for 33 years oh my gosh

00:23:57.940 yeah so i'm kind of using vape i think i've basically have for the reasons it was invented

00:24:02.640 for correct to to not for people that used to smoke want to feel like they're smoking like a

00:24:07.540 better like a better than solution it's kind of like how i looked at methadone okay what did you

00:24:12.420 ever do methadone i was on it for six years all right wow you fucking did it good for you boys

00:24:18.040 well because it was like if you're gonna do dope and you're gonna buy it on the street

00:24:23.040 come to us and we'll give you this from a doctor you know it's safe of course yeah you can get it

00:24:28.000 and i would have to stand out in front of the line at the methadone clinic every day every

00:24:32.740 single day every day and you get a little cup and it's like a little cup you drink it and then it

00:24:36.300 sets in a couple hours later and i met a i met a real nice girl there that i dated for a while

00:24:41.500 and we had a lot of fun together okay her name was jackie okay and i got quite violent actually

00:24:46.840 oh you know how that gets sure yeah just the one with the car in the car yeah where she was 0.99

00:24:52.180 punched me in the face and she kicked the windshield in from out inside the car drove 1.00

00:24:55.700 you off the road yeah yeah wow because she like uh she's had a momentary freak out because she 0.99

00:25:02.140 didn't get to the clinic that day maybe or she wanted you know we would go to the clinic but

00:25:06.500 also use you know oh you're double dipping yeah you stack it up yeah yeah got it because it played

00:25:12.340 really well with crack too so it's a it's a good combo yeah you know well it's interesting because

00:25:20.440 i'm pretty sure that the um that that uh method there's a version of methadone today uh suboxone

00:25:28.260 correct i think it's just like synthetic it just doesn't get you hot methadone gets you high oh

00:25:33.360 it does okay like real high so it's called they call it liquid handcuffs because basically the

00:25:38.020 same thing as as as other opiates but it's just controlled no no don't worry about that you want

00:25:44.680 to pick it up because it's probably like you know robert downey jr or michael jordan or probably not

00:25:51.580 did you you went to high school with robert downey jr well yeah but it's interesting he was friends

00:25:56.280 with my brother ramon okay ramon's between emilio and myself right and so they were like buddies for

00:26:03.080 long time so i would see downy because downy and i were in the same grade but um i think he started

00:26:10.040 working earlier than the rest of us or was at least doing things theatrically yeah that didn't

00:26:17.400 keep him on the campus so he had like a legitimate reason to not be there yeah unlike me you know

00:26:23.160 playing video games in westwood with my buddy pat um yeah as soon as i got a car in high school it's

00:26:29.560 just like and i was i remember driving there going whoa this is so much different than the bus the

00:26:34.840 bus like you know stops where it's supposed to yeah i don't have to you know i have freedom of

00:26:40.520 choice oh so that was the start of everything yeah man that car was the start of everything

00:26:44.680 what kind of car was it the first car um and and there's actually a line in the book when i

00:26:50.520 mention this car and i say in parentheses i've heard every joke you're thinking my first car

00:26:57.320 was a ford escort so that's why i preface it with that right but then mom like upped my game

00:27:09.220 and got me this uh it was an 82 81 82 uh silver uh bmw 320 i guess let's go candy will jump in

00:27:22.920 the backseat of that thing real quick yeah yeah um and it was just um yeah dad was out of town

00:27:30.200 making a movie and so she she it was an easier sell to mom yeah did you right yeah it was like

00:27:38.000 that did you find uh that to be the case a lot as you were growing up where maybe you missed out on

00:27:44.540 some of that discipline that dad brought because he was so busy um i mean i haven't really thought

00:27:52.420 about that well welcome to therapy no that's good that's that's that's well i say it from a place

00:27:57.340 of sensible insight yeah yeah yeah because you don't do stuff because dad's gonna smack the

00:28:02.340 shit on right right right if dad's on business which my dad was on business and then my parents

00:28:06.220 got divorced and then dad wasn't there at all right you know you you lose a lot of that discipline and

00:28:12.120 and it's really in that rebellious stage of your life it's much easier to challenge mom

00:28:17.680 because mom might have a wooden spoon but dad could beat your fucking ass right right right

00:28:22.000 you know yeah so do you do you think you missed out on some of that stuff in the very malleable

00:28:27.080 stages of your life i think so i think so yeah because um i got arrested in high school i i

00:28:33.600 actually wrote it for the book and didn't include it i got arrested for credit card forgery

00:28:36.980 really yeah and and then and dad was again he was out of town so he didn't even know he didn't know

00:28:45.340 no you were you were back back at candy's house huh i was not i was not well you'd think with

00:28:51.480 the car with the credit card money i'd have made a road trip to vegas yeah no that was no can he was

00:28:57.520 just that was just existed on that on that one magical night yeah wonder where she is now man

00:29:03.000 no i had this dude sitting in front of me um this guy named mark and he claimed to be the grandson

00:29:09.320 of hank greenberg the hall of fame detroit tiger baseball player right and we're in his class um

00:29:18.780 It was called Sports Lit.

00:29:21.240 Do you remember how it was Sports Lit?

00:29:22.040 Yeah, yeah, we did.

00:29:22.780 It was just all the athletes.

00:29:23.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:24.300 Easy, eh?

00:29:25.040 Yeah.

00:29:25.700 And he said, hey, you know, I got this idea, man.

00:29:28.940 A buddy of mine tells me that they're in the dumpster at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

00:29:34.040 They just throw away all the credit card receipts.

00:29:37.680 And they weren't shredding them.

00:29:38.980 Nothing was digital.

00:29:40.660 And so we went and found them and started calling stores and claiming to be that person

00:29:45.300 and then saying, my son will be there in a half an hour

00:29:47.860 to pick up the merchandise.

00:29:49.100 And then we'd walk in.

00:29:50.480 And it was a trip, man.

00:29:51.460 It worked.

00:29:52.820 And, you know, we're buying all the shit that you'd buy at that age.

00:29:55.740 You know, car stereos.

00:29:57.060 Yeah.

00:29:57.760 You know, a lot of audiovisual stuff and clothes.

00:30:01.040 And, yeah.

00:30:02.240 Dave, you had a scheme.

00:30:03.100 You were scheming.

00:30:03.880 We were scheming, yeah.

00:30:05.200 Hey, yo!

00:30:06.540 I'm sorry.

00:30:07.860 I used to do it in my vlogs.

00:30:09.180 It's the entrance for my theme song.

00:30:10.640 Hey, yo, I'm sorry.

00:30:11.600 I got two shirts up on WWE Shop Fanatics right now.

00:30:15.300 i hate logan paul yes i am the one behind it you're gonna monetize the haters and still humble

00:30:21.560 because after all i am your humble king and i'm gonna stay humble because i'm just that humble

00:30:26.100 you can grab my shirts and all wwe merch hats tees replica title belt superstar collections on

00:30:33.140 wwe shop and fanatics get yours today back to the show so you got arrested and then you got

00:30:38.760 was that why you got expelled from school no i got expelled something else why did i get

00:30:45.060 expelled man i can relate to all this dude i've had the exact same we didn't get expelled i got

00:30:50.480 um i got they didn't let me take the final to get the the few credits i needed to graduate

00:30:57.360 i was i was a point and a half short i think the term they use for that is expelled

00:31:01.760 isn't it just sort of suspended maybe no i know i know you're talking i think it's just i know

00:31:07.460 you're talking yeah i i think it's broomed or is that a casino term they broom a guy yeah

00:31:14.760 um and it sucked because i was gonna it was like the one test i was gonna ace you know and it's

00:31:20.860 funny because i tell the story in the book and here i am writing a book and it's an english final

00:31:25.300 that i wasn't allowed to take so there's like a cold symbolic you know full circle on that

00:31:30.760 but my my buddy barrera had like 240 credits you need 200 to graduate and i was like can't you just

00:31:37.040 kick down yeah give me some some of barrera's credits who who who gets who who gets hurt in

00:31:43.800 that yeah nobody yeah yeah just share your credits don't be selfish yeah did they make a lot of do

00:31:49.560 they make a lot of exceptions for you based on who pops was or was that like kind of a normal

00:31:56.320 thing in your school because there was a lot of other kids in your class that were like big time

00:31:59.880 no it was uh it was the estevez thing yeah so nobody really made the connection and he didn't

00:32:06.740 because he was so busy um he he he wasn't there a lot you know and that's that's not like a

00:32:14.140 traumatic childhood thing that's just nothing bolts of it you know yeah um and so so they could

00:32:21.120 they never saw us together enough to you know know that that was that was my dad make the connection

00:32:29.140 yeah but then people would find out but um the estevas thing was cool especially at santa monica

00:32:34.780 high school in the 80s you know there was a student body of like 2200 kids and and um so i

00:32:41.540 kind of like just grew right in with the with the latin community you know with these tevez they

00:32:46.920 just figured i was a homie you know um so yeah man um but it was cool to get a like a cultural

00:32:55.140 cross-section uh exposure to like you know coming out of malibu yeah and it wasn't like culture

00:33:02.440 shock it was like okay cool this is this this is how it is and and and i and i dug it because i'd

00:33:08.620 already traveled most of the world and seen it you know at that age you already had seen a lot

00:33:13.620 of the world yeah because uh dad would take us on location so yeah because he wanted to keep the

00:33:18.260 family dynamic intact so he always said you know whatever deal i'm agreeing to is going to include

00:33:23.900 five extra plane tickets you know think about that like late 60s early 70s you know just going

00:33:31.280 it like that that's what landed me in the philippines for apocalypse wow that's insane yes

00:33:37.160 because we we all kind of knew that school didn't matter yet you know like elementary

00:33:42.540 you know it's basically it's it's crayons and glue yeah yeah right what is this it's a bear

00:33:49.840 like simple stuff right yeah i'd be like i've seen a real one um so but it was cool in geography

00:33:57.280 you know they're talking about places and i would be like um yes that's no i i've been and that's

00:34:02.860 wrong your facts are wrong because i've been there you know um you're like the demilitarized

00:34:07.260 zone starts much lower it does it does yeah that's crazy so how do you okay yeah go ahead i was

00:34:13.660 gonna say like traveling that young obviously i think you see a lot probably pretty pretty soon

00:34:18.860 yeah i'm wondering like i'm not i'm not trying to hyperanalyze or anything but i'm just wondering

00:34:23.760 if that maybe contributed to like what what became your life you're obviously like that was my

00:34:27.660 question oh really same yeah yeah i mean you're super you're you're adventurous is what you are

00:34:32.600 chaotic boil it down well well the adventure can lead to chaos especially if like you say yes to

00:34:37.320 a lot of stuff because you just want to see what's up that's what i'm saying you're a down-ass

00:34:41.280 motherfucker right on thank you thank you it seems uh you know it seems uh you you like you're on

00:34:46.280 good behavior now like uh your best behavior is sober seven years as i understand coming up on

00:34:51.300 eight yeah congratulations thank you that's awesome yeah it's kind of surreal yeah has it

00:34:56.160 been less fun though um kind of damn no it hasn't it hasn't it hasn't been less anything okay okay

00:35:07.540 it's just been suddenly what it needed to be because i you know uh like the day i like the

00:35:14.740 day after i quit you know it was like suddenly all my kids like started moving in with me oh

00:35:20.480 And then once the girls were there and they spent and then they'd get cycled back to their mom and then the boys showed up.

00:35:27.760 And so it was just like suddenly, you know, being called to a much more, a much higher order of responsibility, you know, and either answering the call or, you know, or not wasn't an option, you know.

00:35:44.520 and it was cool because um it all just sort of kind of happened as i was getting getting my

00:35:52.060 sea legs back you know and just getting back in touch with with with the things that that really

00:35:57.400 matter yeah yeah it had nothing to do with with entertainment or or fame or you know your kids

00:36:03.820 don't care you know where you're where you know what what your show how your show is performing

00:36:08.680 yep they really don't yeah one there's one they're dead yeah do you feel do you feel that

00:36:14.040 because of all the things you've experienced in your life that you have uh wisdom because i feel

00:36:19.560 like like personally i find i get along with and i'm attracted to people who've been through shit

00:36:27.260 yeah like it oftentimes manifests itself in the form of like some sort of trauma like i just i

00:36:33.400 get along with people who who've been through shit who've been who've been who've been who can

00:36:37.720 trudge through the mud who've been to the mountain been to the mountain yeah yeah yeah and and i feel

00:36:42.340 with i feel with that comes a level of wisdom and you and as a father and someone who's you know

00:36:47.500 seen seen it all as our producer said right um i wonder yeah do you feel like do you feel like

00:36:53.560 you've you can you have a lot of wisdom i feel yeah i mean i i try not to lead with that i try

00:36:58.640 not to to you know preach or or or you know be didactic or whatever but um but yeah it's cool

00:37:07.080 it's the trade-off is the is the age is the years you know people like 60 wow i'm like yeah but

00:37:14.520 you know i'll i'll i'll take it with with the knowledge that comes with it if you're paying

00:37:20.140 attention along the journey you know which is sometimes hard when you're living a life that's

00:37:25.120 that chaotic right right but you seem that you seem to have a good recollection of a lot of the

00:37:29.380 stuff because it's like i think one of the major differences for you is you weren't also on this

00:37:35.440 thing throughout the entire trip thank you and dude it's like it's like you know we won't get

00:37:41.760 into it too much but it's like we are i'm always on this adventure i just came off 10 days at

00:37:46.280 fashion week in new york and i see all this crazy shit and i tell him some of the stories but a lot

00:37:50.440 of it gets lost because we're not present like you were you were present the entire time yeah

00:37:55.800 absorbing like a sponge all of the intricate details of those nights and a lot of times

00:38:00.580 the best storytellers we see are generally over the age of 50 years old 60 years old where they

00:38:07.480 haven't developed this habit of being addicted to this right right right yeah it's very interesting

00:38:12.320 to see how it's starting to affect uh evenings where you sit around a campfire and tell stories

00:38:18.860 the stories have all of a sudden gotten a lot blander and a lot with a lot less detail because

00:38:22.560 people aren't living a lot shorter yeah yeah yeah no i can't imagine what it would have been like

00:38:28.520 um going through all you know having the uh opportunities you know and and and all those

00:38:34.420 experiences and staring at my hands for most of it you know there's that funny russell peters is

00:38:41.820 in some film where they smoke too much pot and they like they they fall asleep for like five

00:38:46.940 years or ten years or something and he walks into a you know a pharmacy or a target or something

00:38:53.080 says to his buddy why why is everybody staring at their calculators yeah right yeah it's like

00:39:00.800 i don't know the movie it's it's pretty popular in the stoner community yeah you know was never

00:39:05.460 a big stoner you know what i'm saying and if i had just turned to weed i think it would have

00:39:09.900 been just like and it's interesting because the one of the early you know like there's two first

00:39:14.360 quotes in my book and one of them is from cheech and chong you know dave's not here um classic and

00:39:21.260 So, but yeah, I smoked as an 11, 12-year-old, but then just never, the weed thing.

00:39:28.560 It's not glamorous.

00:39:29.420 When you go to, you know, into the Hollywood Hills to a party or you go to, you know, any

00:39:35.660 of the hot spots in LA or New York, you know, any of the members clubs, people are doing

00:39:40.920 the same stuff they were doing when you were doing it.

00:39:43.120 Well, actually, now there's a new thing called Toosie.

00:39:47.160 Toosie?

00:39:47.640 Yeah, it's pink. 0.97

00:39:49.020 Toosie is pink.

00:39:50.140 very popular what what it's a collaboration of like a number of things i've never obviously done

00:39:55.480 it because i've been clean for 15 years now oh wow it's yeah but it's uh it's it's very popular

00:40:00.740 and so people walk around looking like unicorns man they got pink shit hanging out of their nose

00:40:04.240 oh damn okay it's very strange and do they carry cotton candy with them as a cover story they

00:40:09.380 should okay they should but it's very popular with the fashion and you know the whole all the

00:40:13.700 people you used to hang out with why is it called 2c it's i think 2cb is like it's like the chemical

00:40:19.600 breakdown of the of the actual drug wow okay yeah so but but they're doing that kind of stuff people

00:40:24.740 you know what people do when they smoke weed they they smoke weed yeah fat cells they sit on their

00:40:30.180 couch i was gonna say we we we makes you lazy so if you if you had done weed maybe you wouldn't

00:40:34.720 you were still working yeah yeah i know i probably would have just been like i'm good yeah we yeah

00:40:40.420 you chill out just kick your feet out you wouldn't try and try to read the script but yeah i couldn't

00:40:46.280 finish it man yeah you wouldn't have been in in ferris bueller and you stayed up all night

00:40:50.700 before the movie because you wanted to get into the character to play the delinquent that you

00:40:54.340 were which was one of the greatest roles thank you ferris bueller thank you that's um you ended

00:40:58.960 up there an hour late two two hours late yeah fucking pdf dude uh did you consider that method

00:41:06.240 acting i uh yeah like when i it was method when i finally fell asleep at like 3 a.m um when i

00:41:15.760 woke up it was just panic stupidity you know it was just and then and then the stories that you're

00:41:21.880 building in the car on the drive down and but the thing that i guess sort of um i didn't know

00:41:30.140 really anything about the movie so i wasn't really like oh my god and then it's it it wasn't as big

00:41:38.000 in my mind as it kind of became in the world i thought i was just going in for a cameo i knew

00:41:44.560 my co-star from red dawn jennifer gray terrific lady and and and yeah but it was still it was

00:41:51.560 just that thing about shit i've i've i've let somebody down you know and then man when you're

00:41:57.560 late to a set there's like 200 people that are not happy happy yeah timothy chalamet went on a

00:42:04.400 spiel about this i think on theo vaughn's podcast about how uh you know in the acting world you have

00:42:10.820 a lot of people relying on you and there's a studio spending a lot of money to get this thing

00:42:15.820 done and so you you have to show up on time i think he was comparing it to other industries

00:42:21.100 and i know this personally especially the music industry like hip-hop specifically um it's kind

00:42:27.820 of like culture to show up super late to the studio or like not at all or kind of whenever

00:42:32.860 you want on like a rock star vibe but as an actor you still got to be kind of disciplined

00:42:37.560 with your job because a lot of money being spent on trusting you to show up to set sure were they

00:42:45.760 upset with you um she was yeah yeah jennifer was yeah but then you know when i finally went through

00:42:53.420 makeup and got to set and you know next person i see is john hughes and he was he was awesome

00:42:58.960 yeah it's just like oh good you're here let's get started yeah like because nothing about why

00:43:03.980 that you know what i was doing or why i was like none of that was going to help us with what still

00:43:09.920 had to be had to be done yeah so it worked out it ends up you know becoming one i mean look at

00:43:16.360 it i mean it's one of the cult classic movies one of the you know one of the greatest movies ever

00:43:20.780 made oh right on thank you i was gonna say when you're shooting um these big movies like like

00:43:25.480 platoon um first bueller's day off even two and a half men when he first starred you do you have

00:43:31.720 any idea of how big these things are no no no and then that's that's actually a good thing

00:43:38.640 because then you don't try to become you don't try to act to the size of the movie does that

00:43:45.540 make sense yeah totally okay totally okay yeah or you you i i think if you if you go in with that

00:43:52.140 mindset it's going to affect the work i think people are going to see that all right he's

00:43:56.520 expecting he knows it's like or when you go like when you go into shooting a marvel movie for

00:44:01.700 example like you know you know yeah that this is not only going to but it by the way is expected

00:44:07.740 to so you better live up to x y and z yeah you had the the creative ability on some of the films

00:44:13.260 that you did to to feel like you can get comfortable in the role and how you deliver it and

00:44:19.300 sure yeah yeah yeah and and um i don't i'm trying to think like what the largest budget

00:44:28.200 would have been something i'm i'm i would assume it would be platoon right no platoon was um like

00:44:34.900 a borderline independent film yeah yeah i think we made platoon for five mil yeah oh yeah yeah i

00:44:41.620 mean it's one of the classic you know iconic war movies thank you yeah thank you yeah it was and

00:44:47.680 and the most difficult i mean these when i say these things to you just so you know these aren't

00:44:51.360 these aren't they're compliments but they're also these are objective truths like no tune is one of

00:44:56.100 the greatest war epics right on me right on you know and i think uh in the doc dylan was telling

00:45:01.260 me that crier i think had said something about you and your sometimes inability to really believe in

00:45:09.220 how great of an actor you are and i think it was it was something about maybe potentially a little

00:45:13.460 bit of this like imposter syndrome sure do you feel did you feel like that do you still feel

00:45:18.420 like that i don't um i think some of that has gone away i think i've been doing it long enough

00:45:22.760 to to be confident or be comfortable um acknowledging that yeah i got i got i got

00:45:30.040 skills in these specific areas and and and that's i think it's okay to to honor them

00:45:35.120 without being egotistical about it or come you know coming off um uh like a like a big shot

00:45:43.260 no it's it's okay it's like if a guy's hitting you know i don't know 330 in in late july and

00:45:51.100 and you know he says yeah i'm i'm i'm i'm a great hitter right now is that is that egotistical

00:45:58.760 not if you can back it up no you know what i'm saying stats it's yeah man so um no it um but

00:46:06.840 it's interesting that that you said these aren't compliments these are these are these are truths

00:46:11.180 um but i can't hear things that feel like a compliment that that aren't buttoned with a

00:46:18.480 thank you well that's right yeah you know what i'm saying well that's great because i've talked

00:46:22.940 to people they'll they'll remain nameless and it makes me nuts you know across the street to find

00:46:30.800 them and congratulate a performance and just say wow man you really i know i'm not gonna take up

00:46:35.480 much of your time but that really man whoa thank you thank you for that that was brilliant

00:46:40.060 and then they'll say something like yeah well with the you know with with with with writing

00:46:47.340 that that uh with writing that good you know how could you how could anybody screw it up

00:46:52.340 you know it's like can that be the second thing you say after thank you for that thank you no you

00:46:58.780 know and acknowledging kind of weird yeah i think people get sometimes get uncomfortable with praise

00:47:03.940 but why i don't know why i think it's a bird i think it's a defect interesting but it's certainly

00:47:09.580 a prevalent thing i think a lot of people would agree that when you tell them they did a good job

00:47:13.400 with something i can i can i can maybe say why uh if if if one hears praise a lot i could see a world

00:47:22.360 where it becomes a little much yeah and they start to question the the genuineness or the validity of

00:47:28.160 it or the yeah that or it's like like like i don't know i could like personally i can only be gassed

00:47:35.200 up for so long like i can only i can only i get a little awkward when things become too

00:47:42.080 complimentative interesting at least now because i recognize like oh like these are essentially just

00:47:47.500 ultimately feeding my ego feeding my ego i don't know if i'd want more of that like i gotta like

00:47:54.020 i'm good my ego's good i have a skill set that i'm good at like i'm i'm i'm really good at

00:48:01.520 wrestling i know it i have no problem saying it when i'm in the ring i flow um but i don't know

00:48:07.780 if i i don't know if i like need to be told here and here at all you know what i'm saying but but

00:48:13.320 thank you but thank you you know to your to your point yes thank you so much do you and do you ever

00:48:18.840 encounter are people brave enough these days to walk up and say hey man um yeah i saw the thing

00:48:24.900 but uh you know this one part fell a little short my group awesome okay my group okay but by the way

00:48:31.720 does the public ever do that no because they're going to get knocked out no no no no no i well

00:48:37.900 i i think personally the the feedback especially areas of improvement if valid from someone who

00:48:44.540 knows who is qualified to give feedback that's that's the meat for me that's the that's the

00:48:50.260 substance that's the shit i do need yeah because i want to be perfect in in my in my craft at least

00:48:55.320 what i do now and so um i i always try to listen and and be a good receptor of feedback yeah i

00:49:01.800 think it's important it's how we learn bingo yeah yeah i'm always trying to learn dude we're not

00:49:07.940 learning we're not living i i right i mean yeah at some point yeah are you ready to hold wwe history

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00:50:06.980 you never miss a single moment back to the show i want to talk about two and a half men for a

00:50:12.440 second because i'm sure like one of the biggest successes of your entire acting career um you

00:50:17.560 you were starting to feel or fear burnout as you were shooting that show how many how many episodes

00:50:23.400 were you shooting of that show we were doing one a week which is pretty standard yep and how much

00:50:28.480 how much shooting is that like how much or how much set time is that um well you go in on monday

00:50:33.540 you do a table read for a script you got on friday so you've just done a friday show so you read the

00:50:38.700 script over the weekend you mark your stuff and then you come and you just present it and you're

00:50:41.920 sitting with the producers and the writers and some people from the network and and the co-stars

00:50:46.680 for that week and so they just want to hear it out loud for the first time yep um and then uh and

00:50:52.160 then on tuesday you start rehearsing uh and then you do like so you go through all the scenes you

00:50:57.420 get the you just get the blocking down and then you do a run through for the writers so they can

00:51:01.880 now they've heard it on monday now they can see it on tuesday in the in the in the four or five

00:51:06.980 rooms that you function in right and then on wednesday you start oh and and then the rewrites

00:51:12.500 start coming in so they'll see it and like that joke sucked that one killed this character needs

00:51:18.420 to do something different and then it starts there so they make the changes and you get those

00:51:22.240 and hopefully you get them the night before and not when you walk into the stage you know um

00:51:27.040 and then so it so it starts to take shape and it feels like a play and i never did theater

00:51:32.080 it was kind of like a trip it was like i was doing this play every week um and it was on television

00:51:38.720 but it also had had kind of a sports vibe because friday night felt like game night you know it was

00:51:45.760 that's something i could get up for you know um and um yeah so then on thursday you do pre-shoots

00:51:53.680 so oh i'm sorry wednesday is a network run through so now it's starting to really you know

00:51:59.280 it's it's it's they're they're they're getting more refined with all of it cbs comes to watch

00:52:04.260 to watch it yeah they come in and then they got their notes and chuck would the only notes we got

00:52:10.320 were from the censors right and because um even though we're in the nine o'clock slot whatever

00:52:15.280 but we're working with it you know a nine-year-old or as he grew up yeah and they're saying you can't

00:52:19.440 say this stuff with the kid in the room yeah so chuck chuck lori would he would write jokes that

00:52:25.260 were uh decoys that were just sacrificial lambs right knowing those are the ones that they would

00:52:33.240 say you got to get rid of that you're like all right okay and replace it with something that

00:52:37.260 they would not see before it was exactly yeah yeah yeah that's awesome yeah it was pretty sly

00:52:42.280 yeah it was smart yeah smart and but and and it usually it also led to usually a smarter joke

00:52:49.500 yeah you know but he put a clam out there that was going to stink up the room and they would

00:52:54.000 make that go away and then slide in the the better joke you know so you're so it's a sounds like

00:53:00.440 pretty much oh oh sorry Thursday then you then you shoot scenes that aren't audience friendly

00:53:04.900 meaning if you got what they call wing sets like someone's bedroom or a set they built that week

00:53:09.720 like a cafe or a freaking a school room or something where the audience wouldn't be able

00:53:14.320 to see it front and center right yep um and you get those out of the way on thursday and then

00:53:19.680 then you go home and and learn the scenes that are left over like the foot like the five or six

00:53:26.160 or sometimes seven or eight that you're going to put up in front of an audience you also want to

00:53:30.320 keep an audience fresh and not like put them through you know four or five hours of all the

00:53:35.760 retakes and all the sticks they it was a live audience yeah yeah yeah oh so there were there

00:53:40.980 those weren't laugh tracks back then whoa yeah that's why it felt like game night we're playing

00:53:46.740 in front of a crowd yeah man yeah and there's a band playing there's a there's a warm-up guy who's

00:53:52.080 like a hypnotist and a magician and he's like wow that's really cool it's a whole thing i don't think

00:53:56.700 i don't think they make sitcoms like that anymore um i think there's a couple that still do yeah

00:54:02.260 wouldn't know that's cool oh that's fun yeah so it it had that energy and it had that life and it

00:54:07.320 had just that that that vibe yeah um yeah but you were but it sounds like you were basically

00:54:12.120 always working in some in some aspect on the show yeah the difference like if i had done an

00:54:18.320 episodic like a like a one hour like a drama um you the hours are a lot longer um but but um

00:54:26.980 there's so many characters and b stories and c stories that that you you get days off sure yeah

00:54:34.080 like my dad doing west wing he would look at the schedule i'm just like yes he's like you know if

00:54:39.040 he gets a friday off that's like that's like sitting on a beach in hawaii you know um but

00:54:44.180 yeah so i would and he was doing west wing uh they overlapped on the warner lot two and a half and

00:54:50.060 west wing at the same time so we'd see each other go watch i'd go over to the oval on at lunch

00:54:56.000 yeah it's kind of cool that's awesome yeah so you do all these you do all these episodes and

00:55:01.840 then see and you you're starting to feel you're starting to burn out a little bit right yeah

00:55:06.860 well it's it's it's sorry to cut you off um it started to turn into and this isn't on them this

00:55:12.840 is on me because this is what i agreed to this is like you gotta go back to that first handshake

00:55:17.460 you know like yeah all right i'm in and it starts to turn into it feels like um the same

00:55:25.300 four people in the same five rooms telling the same six jokes you know and that's not an insult

00:55:32.040 to the writing that's not a shot at the writing it's just as a as an actor it's you know if you're

00:55:39.160 making a movie that's never the case if you're if you're i mean if it's like a police procedural

00:55:44.280 sure you'd have a similar redundancy in material but it just felt it started to feel um like it was

00:55:51.960 uh it it that i had to stay excited about that you know what what it what it just needed to

00:55:58.800 to stay i think what you're saying is it started to feel like work yeah did it start to feel like

00:56:04.660 work because as an actor you have this you have this creative expression that feels like it was

00:56:09.160 being stifled by the repetitive repetitiveness of the right yeah it it wasn't challenging

00:56:15.380 yeah it wasn't challenging and that's when i got lazy and that's when i needed i guess to just make

00:56:20.660 it more difficult you know oh let me make it let me make it more difficult that actually makes

00:56:26.520 sense it's part of the reason i like to drink because um because when i'm drunk it's like you

00:56:33.360 know like i gotta keep it together right right right and it's now i'm challenged i get it yeah

00:56:38.120 sometimes it can be difficult but i always end up keeping it together what is your what is your

00:56:42.220 drink of choice i like vodka okay like vodka yeah which is like kind of like a bit i feel like it's

00:56:47.900 a bit of a polarizing statement these days why is that tequila's big tequila's in i say i say i

00:56:53.660 like vodka people are like you like vodka but gasoline like but i don't i don't know i find it

00:57:00.300 the cleanest my hangovers are the least heavy with with vodka really yeah yeah all right and

00:57:06.900 in a prime rapid rehydration stick before i go to sleep like or in the morning okay it is a good

00:57:13.460 point though like i was thinking about flying in for that dana episode yesterday it was like i was

00:57:18.320 out until probably because i'll still go out all the time and hang out with girls and all that

00:57:22.360 shit and i was on this uh like 120 floors up at this at this place in new york city called the

00:57:27.920 edge okay what i said i just mean like bullshit you know i still go i'm doing bullshit well just

00:57:33.860 fuck around you know be you know what i mean and i was at this this big thing up called the edge

00:57:40.180 it's like this like outdoor party it's like 144 is up or 124 it's sick it hangs it's like a

00:57:45.360 triangle seriously it's so it's incredible how hard i'll show you how hard are the railings

00:57:50.340 they're they're glass windows okay so the entire manhattan landscape is below you okay and you're

00:57:56.560 and you can go up these stairs and you're looking down at this dj set okay where he's djing for a

00:58:02.040 sea of people and the only backdrop is the freedom tower on the outside it's one of the sickest

00:58:07.460 things ever wow and so i was there thinking to myself like okay i'm gonna get on i'm gonna

00:58:11.860 as long as i get home by two i can sleep till six okay and i can make this flight to land and go

00:58:18.420 straight to interview dana white at the ufc apex oh okay and then two came around and i was like

00:58:23.720 okay if i could go three if i could make it at three and then you know start talking to this

00:58:28.440 person that person i'm like all right four is the dead yeah four yeah so then i'll get back to the

00:58:33.160 hotel and i'm like shit i have enough time only to shower and pack yeah you know what i'm saying

00:58:37.260 fuck this isn't good and then i roll up and it's like to his point how do you make this more

00:58:42.060 difficult like we gotta ask some really heavy-hitting political leaning assassination

00:58:46.620 related questions like dana white today which ties into you being on rogan right right right

00:58:52.080 we talked about a lot of that a lot of that stuff but how do you make more difficult but you

00:58:55.720 kind of had the opposite because he had a cbs came to you and said we don't want you to leave so bad

00:59:00.980 we'll give you two million an episode yeah and what year was this this was uh

00:59:08.740 geez it would have been oh eight so what is that now what's no oh nine what is that six six seven

00:59:15.660 inflation oh six seven million so you can imagine no no it's probably it's probably it's that's

00:59:21.980 probably around three that's a lot two million dollars an episode is a lot of money it's a lot

00:59:26.280 of money you had to be pretty excited about oh it was well yes yes super grateful like cool it felt

00:59:33.400 like a lotto win you know yeah um but it didn't it it it i knew it was still gonna come at the

00:59:40.680 same cost of what i what wasn't gonna be different yeah because it didn't change

00:59:47.440 four people five rooms six jokes you know and see people are gonna see this and hear this be like

00:59:54.400 oh fucking dare he talk about our no it's not about that it's not it's not about you

00:59:59.100 it's about me accept that um and and yeah so um even like you know they give you a ton of dough

01:00:11.920 you read the script you're like yeah it'll get better on location right and it didn't and then

01:00:15.820 you see it and you have the money and you're thinking how can i buy this off the screen

01:00:21.540 with the money they gave me you know and you can't and you can't and and i but i had those

01:00:26.460 lessons early on doing schlocky stuff for a big bag of cash and then like there it is it's stuck

01:00:34.880 there and you know for for all to to sneer and layer and but but this was different though

01:00:40.540 because the ratings were still oh yeah no we were we were we were cooking with gas you know

01:00:45.340 you know people say cooking with grease and i don't think that's right i don't think that's

01:00:49.620 Yeah, cooking with gas, it makes more sense.

01:00:51.280 Me and my wife say it all the time.

01:00:52.240 Okay.

01:00:52.740 Cooking with gas.

01:00:53.260 Now, I heard a debate on the radio one day.

01:00:55.080 I was stuck in traffic for like two hours,

01:00:56.620 and these guys went back and forth,

01:00:58.460 and he said the original thing was about barbecuing,

01:01:01.780 and I was just finally just, it's cooking with gas.

01:01:04.560 Yeah, cooking with gas, fine.

01:01:05.380 Yeah, okay.

01:01:05.920 So we're just leaving it there?

01:01:08.220 I really relate to the burnout thing you're describing.

01:01:11.820 Yeah.

01:01:12.140 I don't know if that's the heck.

01:01:13.500 As a YouTube creator, by the way,

01:01:16.180 all creators on youtube will experience burnout at some point unless you're mr beast right but uh

01:01:22.980 it's it's a it's totally a real thing and okay so even if you are making two million dollars an

01:01:27.440 episode the craft is still the thing and yeah eventually no matter how you cut it still not

01:01:34.440 still not fueling you or like feeding you right in a way because when because we all start with

01:01:40.700 a pilot light when we engage with something right and when that turns into a blowtorch

01:01:44.460 that that's where we find find the passion right and so mine was going back to a just a the flicker

01:01:51.860 of a of a near empty bick yeah and it's tough right yeah and it's got to be so hard too with

01:01:58.080 everybody like telling you the opposite and everything everybody's saying and doing is

01:02:02.040 contradictory like the ratings are in and they're so good and you're gonna make all this money and

01:02:05.240 you just don't yeah and but you know again should have just gone back to the original conversation

01:02:12.720 you know here's here here's what you've agreed here's what we're expecting from you

01:02:16.600 you know and then then the guy builds this incredible world for me and on

01:02:20.580 where all the success is is you know emanates from it's it and it's like this this you know

01:02:27.760 it changed my life and then that for some reason didn't you know i couldn't just decided that that

01:02:34.820 you know i needed to burn it down yeah need to fucking burn it down so it's like what the hell

01:02:41.660 you know so then the world kind of started to like notice but yeah but there was that other

01:02:47.340 thing did you guys see rogan yeah peace okay you see the thing where i kept forgetting that one

01:02:52.800 thing yes i did see so embarrassing imagine like you're falling in front of joe you're like hey man

01:02:58.000 i got this really cool thing yeah yeah yeah fuck fuck it'll come back to me and then he's like

01:03:04.100 talking about something i'm like hey man it came back he's like okay go for it i'm like that left

01:03:07.880 again do you know what a panic that was that was so embarrassing that was so i felt so just

01:03:13.520 fucking lost i felt lost i started sweating and it was just yeah it was awful did you ever find

01:03:19.120 the thing i well he's he's into something and i'm paying attention and it does come back to me

01:03:23.400 so i pick up a pen and i start writing something down and he says are you writing down that thing

01:03:28.120 and i'm like you betcha you know i'm not going home for three man yeah how does it feel so that

01:03:34.020 thing was that i that um that i told my manager on the phone from rehab if i go back for seasons

01:03:40.920 eight and nine it's it's it's it's going to go horribly wrong i said those words you know he's

01:03:47.940 like why are you just feeling differently you're in rehab yeah you get out you'll be yeah it'll

01:03:51.260 yeah it'll be great trust me kid it'll be great yeah so anyway that was the thing yeah and it's

01:03:57.880 cool because now i'll never forget that little detail ever i had to go through that yeah totally

01:04:02.900 scar how was how was it being on rogan it was really cool yeah it was really cool yeah he man

01:04:08.940 it's a because it's what's that thing they say there's three speeches you give there's like the

01:04:13.660 speech in the car the speech at the event and the speech on the way home you know so there was no

01:04:19.200 speech on the way home with rogan other than being really hard on myself for you know being a clear

01:04:25.800 candidate for ginkgo biloba right yeah memory yeah yeah um but well if that's your only mess

01:04:34.100 up though that's yeah okay because then we got into some shit towards the end and it was a nice

01:04:38.440 rhythm and a great energy great sense of humor that dude died he'd like died dials right in on

01:04:43.400 you and it's uh uh you see i just felt totally connected great great laughs with him he's truly

01:04:51.160 incredible he's amazing so we're into this thing right and i gotta go to the bathroom really bad

01:04:56.280 and so i said hey man can we take a break you know he's like yeah we're close to wrapping up

01:05:01.820 so what if we do that and we just come back for just for a couple of minutes you know

01:05:05.280 and his producer pauses um and then he says to joe he says don't check your phone

01:05:12.360 and joe's like fuck that what what's going on and he says they're breaking news and it's and

01:05:17.480 everywhere he says tell me what happened he says charlie kirk's been shot he's clinging to life

01:05:23.200 so we're trying to process that because it's just suddenly everything's everything's different

01:05:30.020 suddenly right from one second to the next and so we go out into the lobby and one of his security

01:05:36.180 guards says he just died so we do we make it to the bathroom and in the bathroom says joe says we

01:05:42.860 we were we need to go back on the air and talk about this and i said yes we do and so we did

01:05:47.740 um and yeah that was it's just that's that's insane so it was happening well you know it's

01:05:55.260 just yeah it's just awful it's just awful no it's just it's just yeah there's really no other way to

01:06:02.220 describe it besides that i mean it's it's it's terrible it's terrible and it's just i don't

01:06:07.200 remember what i said to joe something about um if you know if this is where we wound up this can't

01:06:12.500 be where we stay you know it's true it's i mean what but like what words can we all attach to

01:06:19.220 this that that make it feel better for us or his family or the just the moment they're they don't

01:06:26.700 they they haven't been written have they no i mean through faith and all that i'm sure yeah right

01:06:32.120 yeah i mean it it helps but it's like a bit of but no it's uh that was just i mean how how how

01:06:40.580 were you guys feeling like right afterwards extremely heavy i yeah i did about an hour of

01:06:45.840 he's you know maybe a little bit closer to our industry than the one that you're in and we

01:06:52.080 right place right had played in similar circles and shows with people we know and i probably had

01:06:56.680 had interactions with him over the years we weren't close with him but um i i seeing something

01:07:03.980 like that happen to someone you know don't know in the same space it was just felt very heavy it

01:07:09.820 felt like i was wearing something yes and so i did about an hour of talk and talked to bradley

01:07:15.360 martin and text george janko who was close to them and gave my condolences to george and

01:07:20.760 messaged a bunch of other people about it just to kind of commissary on the topic and then i just

01:07:28.140 said hey i'm turning my phone off and i went to sleep i went to sleep for like two hours yeah it

01:07:32.560 just felt so fucking heavy heavy is the word yeah heavy it's yeah it's the senseless senseless

01:07:37.880 tragedy is just so awful like you're right the words haven't been written yeah yeah charlie's

01:07:44.500 my age he's 31 you're 31 i'm 30 yeah yeah so you know father of two i know a guy who like i always

01:07:53.140 respect i didn't agree with everything he said but i always respect that he always put himself

01:07:57.340 out there and open the conversation i did too especially in rooms where he was the minority

01:08:03.620 in that like his views were the different ones and he and he he welcomed everyone like i really

01:08:09.280 respected that yeah it was incredible and um man this this i would watch him sometimes

01:08:17.140 this really articulate young man and have

01:08:22.400 this feeling that he could be president one day a lot of people did i felt like he could have been

01:08:29.880 president of the united states one day um because you know again he's so young he has a lot of time

01:08:36.260 to refine his beliefs and like and like build his platform and yeah he was he was on the political

01:08:41.580 route and so when it happened i also had this sense of like holy shit the course of american

01:08:48.560 history may have just been changed yeah you know what i'm saying oh yeah like that that too felt

01:08:53.840 like like the butterfly effect on seismic could it be potentially seismic like altering the course

01:09:00.700 of american history easily easily and that's not it's not a dramatic consideration no because even

01:09:07.280 if he's not at all and he's going to keep doing what he's doing and who knows who he inspires or

01:09:11.520 or or um if his beliefs change because he talks to someone like the conversations yields results

01:09:16.340 like he didn't belittle anyone he didn't demean anyone he didn't embarrass anyone he didn't go

01:09:21.560 there to like be a smarty pants and make you look stupid he was just like hey man okay this is here's

01:09:26.560 what i've prepared here's what i know here's what i believe tell me give me your side of it yeah

01:09:32.520 you know what he did when you watch back his clips now you see he was an incredible reciprocator of

01:09:37.740 energy when you watch someone approach him i i've now watched all of his clips through this vein

01:09:43.600 when you watched someone approach him that was somewhat timid not absolute in their beliefs was

01:09:50.500 open to this malleable malleability of the conversation right he approached him softly

01:09:55.480 yeah he did kindly had conversations with him that were he would tell the audience not to

01:10:01.220 boo or belittle them i'm having a conversation let please be respectful sure if they went to

01:10:05.920 the mic and directly started insulting him and being rude to him he would be much a much more

01:10:10.580 aggressive in his stance right but he was he was a he was a very good reciprocator of energy and

01:10:16.520 And I mean, listen, like you can, you can, you can disagree with the substance of someone's,

01:10:25.020 you know, the substance of someone's opinions and what they say, but you couldn't take away

01:10:31.540 from the fact that he just was an incredible orator, incredible speaker, an incredible

01:10:35.240 debater and a force in the space.

01:10:37.640 And of course, like, like you said, there was a number of things that he said that I

01:10:40.480 didn't agree with.

01:10:41.760 But he was, he was, he certainly was a force and it's, I think you're right.

01:10:45.500 i think it'll be felt for sure yeah it was like a giant star in the night sky just went dark you

01:10:52.680 know it's like damn it's always like life is life is life is just like seems unfair at times

01:11:02.420 like inexplicably unfair yeah yeah completely yeah because yeah like you daughters now just

01:11:09.240 don't have i know and i got i got five kids and three granddaughters and that's my that was one

01:11:14.020 of my first thoughts was fatherless children uh husbandless wife it was just like oh i guess like

01:11:22.180 the end of it all is just like what like as opposed to like assigning a word to it it's just

01:11:26.080 like what can we learn yeah it's always what can we learn right right right yeah on both sides on

01:11:30.000 both sides for sure yeah because all of the hardship of life those are always the biggest

01:11:34.520 lessons sure always everything that i've got that's gone wrong in my life has been the teacher

01:11:38.560 of everything that i am everything i am is because of what i've been through probably the same as you

01:11:41.880 the same as logan sure and it's like what can we learn and and and especially like what things can

01:11:47.220 we all agree on can we all agree that it we need to get a lit and i talked to dana white about this

01:11:52.160 when we did the show yesterday can we all agree that we need to get a little bit more serious in

01:11:56.700 around the idea of safety on school campuses as an objective safety yeah i just feel like um

01:12:04.940 all the venues that we that we worship and celebrate you know you gotta like you gotta

01:12:11.640 It's like a strip search to watch any of the four sports acronyms, right?

01:12:16.620 Of course.

01:12:17.840 And, but everything else, like where, you know, our most precious, our future, our children are left unprotected.

01:12:28.740 You can just walk in, I mean, at the same time.

01:12:31.220 But think about all the returning servicemen and women, right, who have already, who are coming home with a skill set that probably cost a million dollars.

01:12:40.040 just probably or more to train if you're going into you know special forces and you know deeper

01:12:45.780 into it but these guys are coming home and how many jobs could be available you know i'm saying

01:12:53.000 and you got you got a guy that is trained in like the gnarliest scenarios possible that's

01:13:00.200 interesting right we've we've built that and that's awesome and they come home and and a lot

01:13:06.920 of times fall into you know all the other mental illness drugs unemployment there's a sort of a

01:13:12.380 kind of a rudderless return to society right and and i just feel like there's a there's a real

01:13:19.160 opportunity you know you can't have a guy with uh with a gun that close to kids um no that's who i

01:13:25.140 want when my kids are there you know i want a trained guy with a gun is that insane no is that

01:13:33.340 like asking you know but but these are the object like simple objective conversations that are being

01:13:39.040 skipped like for example like before you even get to that guy where's the deterrence around the

01:13:45.020 perimeter of the building why are people even getting that close to the school with an ar-15

01:13:49.580 right yeah why like dude we've we have we live in a gated community that when you get through the

01:13:53.740 gated community you got to get over the fence then you got to get through the door why are schools

01:13:57.940 wide open yeah and the thing that pisses me off and we said this to dana the thing that pisses me

01:14:02.900 off is this will all get pushed back to a conversation about abortion which affects

01:14:07.940 0.0001 percent of the population or transgender which applies to 0.000 whatever percent right

01:14:13.240 when at the same exact time that charlie kirk was being murdered there was a school in colorado

01:14:18.380 being shot off at the exact same time yeah and so to me not to i know politics we don't have to do

01:14:23.340 it but to me this one seems so glaringly obvious yeah that there's that the idea of saying oh this

01:14:31.140 is an acceptable outcome for our kids is just so ridiculous no no what one is too many a hundred

01:14:38.960 percent agree yeah um i just it's really frustrating when the when the solutions just

01:14:45.120 just feel within reach but you still can't touch them what um we gotta we gotta we're gonna wrap

01:14:53.100 it up no it's funny we gotta switch somehow i still i'll tell you how i look down at my at my

01:14:57.840 pdf no this can't be the way we switch go please yeah but charlie needed that time you know charlie

01:15:06.380 i agree he needed that he did no no no for sure yeah for sure you know you share a name with a

01:15:11.160 guy right and i'm not making a joke about that it's like there's not a lot of charlies you know

01:15:15.380 and charlies are usually pretty good people and i didn't know charlie but if i saw him down the

01:15:20.000 hall i'd you know walk up and give him a hug you know i'm saying just in whatever it is a good name

01:15:25.440 isn't it yeah it is dude i know a couple charlies they're all nice guys they're pretty good dudes

01:15:29.780 yeah it comes along with like a little bit of softness nice i i dated a girl named charlie

01:15:34.500 really yeah and that was pretty cool like you know when it was intimate it was we're both kind

01:15:38.560 of you know charlie charlie charlie charlie you know where do you go from there where do you go

01:15:43.320 from there do you turn inward um yeah she was she was a smoke show yeah yeah i met her met her at 0.92

01:15:51.440 the playboy mansion good god who's who's your like the hell where is she now man dude dude dude

01:15:57.720 speaking of smoke shows uh actually this is great uh you were married to denise richards yes inner

01:16:02.880 prime yeah man yeah that happened that happened yeah wow wow i mean wow is right yeah no i was

01:16:11.200 it was um you know before it you know turned out how it did or why you know um it was awesome

01:16:18.420 it was you know it's no we had great times together you know she like you expected like

01:16:23.460 this whole different person just based on the the image and the reputation you know

01:16:28.380 the reputation people build for others and then she's like you know goofy and funny and you know

01:16:35.400 flawed and and just cool with you know it was like yeah no we we really it was it was a nice match

01:16:42.680 when our planets collided, you know?

01:16:47.180 Yeah.

01:16:48.020 And, you know, we're good friends.

01:16:51.140 Close now?

01:16:51.640 Yeah.

01:16:52.240 I think she was on this show called Special Forces, 0.66

01:16:54.580 if I'm not mistaken.

01:16:55.600 Yeah, she was. 1.00

01:16:56.400 Yeah, she had to cut out early. 1.00

01:16:58.380 Yeah. 0.98

01:16:58.720 She got injured on the first thing,

01:17:01.800 trying to get on the chopper.

01:17:03.280 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:04.320 Something happened.

01:17:06.920 She seemed pretty timid.

01:17:09.140 I didn't expect her to be as, like... 1.00

01:17:11.060 Well, maybe because she was getting loaded onto a fucking helicopter. 1.00

01:17:14.460 Well, she had to jump from a speedboat onto the skids.

01:17:19.580 It's not the same as a hot girl walk, bro.

01:17:22.540 Okay, while you're right,

01:17:25.480 bro, the show is called World's Toughest Test, Special Forces.

01:17:29.640 So you're saying she shouldn't have been there?

01:17:31.300 I mean, I literally had the feeling, like, why did she sign up for this show?

01:17:34.600 Like, they're going to fucking murder people.

01:17:36.680 Not, like, literally.

01:17:37.740 Of course, it's really fucking hard.

01:17:39.740 and she and she i was like i mean i mean she went good for her right i didn't see i didn't see her

01:17:44.640 episode was it i just remember thinking why did she say yes to this interesting because it's hard

01:17:50.280 it's really hard well and she only had three weeks to prepare oh yeah i mean dude this if it's it's

01:17:57.360 tough to prepare for that dude you gotta like kind of be wired a certain way yeah what's that thing

01:18:01.780 stay ready so you don't have to get ready yeah yeah yeah yeah i watched the first season um and

01:18:07.140 I think she did, too, and maybe she just felt, you know,

01:18:11.440 that there were going to be those early exits.

01:18:15.280 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:16.160 Didn't Dr. Drew tap out, like, in the first hour from a heat stroke

01:18:19.380 or something like that?

01:18:20.520 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:21.440 But then went off and built the wellness company.

01:18:23.760 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:24.380 Well done.

01:18:25.280 Had you been offered to do that show?

01:18:28.540 Yes.

01:18:29.820 Would you do it?

01:18:30.680 No.

01:18:31.560 No.

01:18:32.060 I mean, why?

01:18:32.580 It's really hard.

01:18:33.480 You know what I'm saying?

01:18:34.060 I mean, they pay well.

01:18:35.640 if they brought back i'm a celebrity get me out of here i would consider that nice yeah did you

01:18:41.460 ever see that one you remember that one so when that was like that was like in the early 2000s

01:18:46.900 yeah man no that show was badass um what are you uh what are you planning on doing what's it what

01:18:53.100 are the next five ten years look like um i don't know i don't know um if the you know if the book

01:18:59.720 does well there could be a second book you want to you want to you want to promote it a little

01:19:04.660 bit you didn't even set it up for the camera to see well yeah we probably should there you go

01:19:13.420 the book of sheen yeah um yeah thank you uh yeah i i i i wrote it all by myself that's awesome i

01:19:21.680 didn't use a ghostwriter no way i saw that it's just the imposter move like here's my funny money

01:19:26.880 or my counterfeit book you know um because ultimately if you use a ghostwriter a lot of

01:19:31.520 people do and i get that because there's like that's an intimidating thing to like agree to

01:19:36.400 sit down and write a book because a lot of people start a book not a lot of people finish a book you

01:19:41.520 know and um i just said look if i don't do this myself then i'll never know and and the people

01:19:47.580 i've talked to there they regret that they didn't give it a shot they regret that they worked with

01:19:51.900 somebody else not the same no because you're never writing you're telling stories and it's usually

01:19:57.500 over the phone to somebody you've known for an hour voice memos or something like that and then

01:20:02.960 that then your stories go through their filter and how they interpret them and the details they

01:20:08.480 want to attach and then then you get the pages sent back and like okay change this change that

01:20:13.620 add that it's not the same because it's not the same level but i have a book as well you did write

01:20:17.920 it right okay nito was questioning me questioning me on it i said i know i remember going into this

01:20:22.800 room and seeing him typing on his little laptop dude i sat and wrote that thing probably like

01:20:26.740 you did for a long period of time and um i remember so many nights of just fucking pouring

01:20:34.160 tears like to the point where my whole keyboard was just you know writing about rock bottom my

01:20:38.560 grand well my grandfather was dying and a lot of the stuff never even saw line edits i told them

01:20:43.540 at the end of it i said i have this this last chapter where i write these letters i write one

01:20:48.020 letter to um people who have never been addicted to anything and and explain to them their blessing

01:20:53.800 and how hard it may be for them to empathize with people who struggle with mental illness and

01:20:58.280 addiction i wrote a letter to family members of people who are addicted or people who have

01:21:03.080 lost family members to addiction and then the final letter i wrote was to other addicts and

01:21:07.460 mental illness sufferers and by by the i i it's the only time in my life and i'm sure you could

01:21:14.280 both relate to this in some other genre where i felt like i i was in a level of autopilot

01:21:22.360 my hand was just moving interesting and it felt like i i felt like the hand of god was working

01:21:29.900 through what a trip it was it was the most surreal like out of body experience that i've ever felt

01:21:35.140 without acid right like i really really was pouring tears i was completely soaked and so

01:21:41.200 when i finished it i called the publisher and i said don't touch the chapter and i mean don't

01:21:46.340 send it for line edits no proofreading i don't want to touch if there's stuff wrong in it fucking

01:21:50.140 leave it i wanted to look exactly how it looks and so the last chapter of the book is completely

01:21:54.460 untouched that's amazing and every person that's read the book the feedback is like speaks to the

01:22:00.020 last chapter yeah yeah of course they do it's of course they can feel it yeah they can feel like

01:22:05.480 they read it like i had goosebumps reading it like it really really affected me and it's like

01:22:09.360 i've even told people sometimes like just read the last the last chapter you know if you have to

01:22:13.680 yeah wow so you've been in the trenches you know you know yeah and and um so would you send the

01:22:20.900 chapters like to your editor okay and you get the feedback right yeah and and they would call and

01:22:25.380 they would say wow that was awesome right yep of course and then the next morning you're staring

01:22:30.820 back at a blank screen and you have to go again you gotta start over you know the other one but

01:22:36.120 i found it i found a system to it though and i'm sure you did too and like i think when you when

01:22:40.840 you when you get into the flow and i still have this flow i'm starting to work on the second book

01:22:44.840 and it's much different now instead of homelessness and crack it's porn stars and jets and that type

01:22:50.020 of shit yeah okay cool man let's go wow how do you tell that story while also teaching a lesson

01:22:56.860 right first book was a lesson but i feel like i've got it down to like a system and i'm sure

01:23:01.040 you found a system to write what in your writing as well ah it was whatever whatever time i could

01:23:08.660 just claw back for myself that's the you know yeah and it was there was a lot of stuff going on with

01:23:14.680 with brook and the boys and and just a lot of you know just stuff that life stuff you know um that i

01:23:21.100 had to pay more attention to at times than the book um but if i was in the middle of something

01:23:28.640 that i knew i had to finish um the the it didn't matter what time of day it was you know if if i

01:23:35.540 was if i was staring down the barrel of two hours of sleep and then that full day i had that that's

01:23:41.080 just that's that's what i had to do you know um how did you how did you recollect everything in

01:23:47.320 the book that's a that's a good question um it just it's man just a lot of it just stayed because

01:23:55.100 of the impact it had in the moment interesting yeah interesting yeah and and the stuff that i

01:24:00.600 couldn't remember um i didn't want to go to too many people and say hey fill that in for me

01:24:05.520 because it's not my experience yeah and even if they're saying even if they're in the in the room

01:24:10.620 with me and saying well then you did this this and this i still can't really then i'm i'm that

01:24:17.340 that's really trusting someone's someone else's yeah it's not interpretation it's not true it's

01:24:24.600 not true inception it's not it's not even just to jog your memory maybe um that was helpful in

01:24:31.080 the early stuff with my parents okay yes because i went to them and i had to be more of a journalist

01:24:35.640 than an author yeah just trying to getting all the facts and the places and the dates and the

01:24:39.280 chronology and all that stuff you know just so i didn't because i didn't want them reading it going

01:24:43.040 we weren't we left new york in 19 you know what i'm saying that kind of stuff yeah but to your to

01:24:50.720 want to answer the question a little bit though it's interesting when you when you write versus

01:24:55.540 when you like talk on a podcast or make a video about something you have you have so much time

01:25:01.000 to really spend in that moment that your brain starts to backlog yeah it's in there it's just

01:25:06.980 okay covered up with bong resin crack gambling losses like all that bullshit and everything

01:25:13.460 but but when you start to when i started to reimagine the smell of the basement that i

01:25:20.280 lived in with my with my coke dealer in bridgeport right and i started to really think through like

01:25:24.780 what color was that wall and the aquarium was there and he had the cameras that you controlled

01:25:29.400 with the remote control

01:25:30.340 and we would break out

01:25:31.200 the lines on this counter

01:25:32.200 and the DEA busted down

01:25:35.180 that door

01:25:35.640 which we had the bar over

01:25:36.780 all the little

01:25:38.400 minute details

01:25:39.240 start to come back

01:25:39.960 it's because you get

01:25:41.060 to spend so much time

01:25:42.140 you get to live there

01:25:43.160 versus here

01:25:44.880 where you have

01:25:45.380 38 seconds

01:25:46.600 to tell a story

01:25:47.440 there you have

01:25:48.460 an hour to live

01:25:49.240 with two pages

01:25:49.960 and it just comes back

01:25:51.120 it like bleeds back out

01:25:52.120 right

01:25:52.380 and that's what

01:25:52.900 people say

01:25:54.420 well if I've seen the doc

01:25:55.340 why should I read your book

01:25:56.240 oh no

01:25:56.700 so much more

01:25:57.600 well yeah

01:25:58.620 um there's you know to like you know to tell a story in five minutes seven minutes keep it

01:26:05.340 interesting keep it entertaining keep it flowing um it's a whole different mindset it's a different

01:26:10.240 part of the brain yeah you know to sit down and have two weeks to write that same story yeah or

01:26:14.620 or the full story knowing that um i have i have final cut yeah yeah of course you know i'm saying

01:26:21.180 um but and nothing i think the doc is terrific i think the doc is uh i think i think it i i think

01:26:28.740 it raised raises the bar a little bit cool in in this genre you know did did you leave anything out

01:26:34.580 um i did just because of length you know i wanted to keep going and they said i get it dude trust

01:26:41.280 me right and they but they said that the the target like page count to is for an autobiography

01:26:49.240 is like 350 yeah yeah um but i also uh i i felt like the book was gonna tell me

01:26:58.560 when it was when it when it needed to end you know it has a bit of a sopranos ending it kind

01:27:04.920 of just and it gets to a thing and then boom um and i because how like my my story is still being

01:27:12.760 told it's still going on isn't that weird where you have to like where am i supposed to end it

01:27:16.900 you know what i'm saying and yeah so i struggled with that a little bit and i wanted to pad it a

01:27:21.180 little bit up until but no i just had to live with this one decision and and and i'm i'm i'm glad that

01:27:27.320 i did you know but um i'm curious to start just you know hearing feedback in the streets or

01:27:34.500 the producer um uh from from bill maher you know when i did a pre-interview she got

01:27:40.360 she said look i gotta think that this one quote has been in my head and and she shared it with

01:27:45.700 me and she was so she was so inspired by it and thought it was so cool and funny and whatever

01:27:49.220 else and i said to her i said wow man that's probably the closest i'm ever gonna get to like

01:27:54.480 a musician uh out in the street when someone comes up and and talks about a specific lyric

01:27:59.520 yes you know yes um so i guess maybe the the you know you could draw a parallel or or or some

01:28:06.060 similarity to you know producing an album writing a book you know it's it has to be it's a complete

01:28:12.820 work it's a piece of art and as far as i'm concerned on it there's there's no greater i

01:28:18.200 mean for me at least like there's no oh you did this podcast with the president or you did this

01:28:22.320 show or you did this thing when people come up to me and they tell me you know i read the book and

01:28:26.240 and it had this impact that's the greatest compliment it's more special it's so much more

01:28:30.420 special yeah man because they know every intimate detail of those experiences yeah it's incredible

01:28:35.100 yeah but but to your question um yeah there's stuff that's not it just couldn't fit yeah for

01:28:40.720 couldn't fit um and and you know they're they're discussing if it if it does well that that there

01:28:47.400 would be a second book yeah i mean our our other uh guest on we had our guest we had on today um

01:28:54.420 alex hormosey who's actually that's his book right in front of your book so many books you make money

01:28:59.960 by selling the books yeah your books up the books make money you make money books make your own

01:29:04.280 market of books so um anyways he wrote a book too you wrote a book i have this i have this like

01:29:11.840 i have a bunch of clay for what i think will be a fucking killer book wow um that i want

01:29:17.840 i want to write so bad and like i started it's um it's actually the originals i mean like i'll

01:29:23.800 make like an autobiography yeah that's cool the originals book with the polaroids and the stories

01:29:28.160 polaroid for the day 99 fucking insane stories yeah it's funny that you described this as the

01:29:34.640 clay too because that's as far as book writing is concerned you'll definitely get this too

01:29:39.060 that's always the analogy i use well well yeah you just continue to whittle it and continue

01:29:44.760 there's an arm and then all of a sudden this appears and that appears and by the end of it

01:29:48.120 you're just like yeah you look at this thing and it just there's just nothing else you've done i

01:29:52.380 mean you with movies probably have a little bit more experience with it but it didn't feel the

01:29:56.780 same no because you know my job ends and then you know a different you know other like 30 jobs

01:30:03.680 yeah color editor all of it yeah sound you know um yeah it's it's it's it's the most it's the

01:30:12.740 hardest job i've ever had and the most rewarding yeah cool yeah it was a trip um so yeah i i i

01:30:20.960 hope people don't feel like ah i saw the doc what could what else could be in the book it's just the

01:30:26.140 stories why as you were saying they're just different man they're different because they

01:30:31.120 were given the time you know and i there was this gal i was in rehab with couldn't tell you her name

01:30:37.960 at gunpoint but um but it uh she um i would tell a lot of these stories to her at the smoking table

01:30:48.940 at uh in in the in the marina this place this place it was like it was a shithole right and um

01:30:57.180 and we'd sit out there and it's before i had to integrate had to do anything i would i just

01:31:01.860 i rolled in at like 140 pounds yeah they were just like just drinking drink water and please

01:31:06.940 stay alive eat food yeah that's yeah and so we'd sit out there and i'd she would hear a lot of

01:31:12.600 these stories and she said you better write these down before you forget them yeah and i was like

01:31:18.100 ah don't worry about that no they'll they'll they'll always be in here so it was sort of like

01:31:23.780 remembering you know traveling back to that seagull shit covered table that we sat at smoking

01:31:30.220 cigarettes and wanting to honor that yeah wanting to still like did you put that in the preface or

01:31:36.540 the no you should have that's funny fact i haven't talked about it anywhere but here yeah that little

01:31:42.240 piece of it rehabs rehabs font man it can be yeah but there's there's some rehab shit in here

01:31:48.040 that's pretty gnarly yeah like you escaping to the bikini contest yeah we couldn't get to enough

01:31:52.420 stuff today and i know you probably have you have some sort of hard stop i wish i mean i wish we

01:31:57.620 could have hit some of these superlatives like you beating jordan or clint eastwood getting you

01:32:01.940 clean like or or at least in some way aiding in your recovery yeah it's just no he was the closer

01:32:07.200 he was the closer at the intervention yeah man i know i know when you get on the phone

01:32:13.140 and you're still kind of on the fence

01:32:15.520 and Dirty Harry

01:32:17.420 tells you to go make his day.

01:32:20.620 Make my day.

01:32:21.140 Yeah, man.

01:32:21.960 You can't say no to Dirty Harry.

01:32:24.000 You just don't do it.

01:32:25.280 Yeah.

01:32:25.680 There are consequences.

01:32:26.780 Wow.

01:32:27.360 You know?

01:32:28.360 But this is really cool.

01:32:30.320 You guys do this every day?

01:32:31.860 We do it a lot.

01:32:33.220 A few times a month.

01:32:33.880 We release one a week.

01:32:35.100 Oh, okay.

01:32:35.860 Okay, wow.

01:32:36.680 We're pretty active.

01:32:37.280 Wow.

01:32:37.660 Been doing it for almost eight years now.

01:32:39.080 That's awesome.

01:32:39.880 Yeah, we've been.

01:32:41.440 We got Tiger blood.

01:32:42.920 takes a discipline and a commitment and do we like we we like it i mean i like it thank you

01:32:49.480 yeah yeah no man oh yeah people people see it on tv and they're like ah they're just having a

01:32:53.560 conversation they don't have the research that goes into it the preparation it's just impossible

01:32:58.560 without the great team yeah we do have a great team too everyone on this team is great he's he

01:33:03.100 is impulsive that one right there in the white shirt awesome awesome but just about you um the

01:33:07.880 book that that you want to write um it's going to and you probably know this already um it's

01:33:13.960 it's going to be awesome it's also going to be the loneliest job you're ever going to have

01:33:20.680 interesting you're going to have to it's i had to change my phone number because i was telling

01:33:27.080 people dude yeah okay i'm sorry this is gone i'm sorry your aunt died okay but uh just give me some

01:33:33.340 space i need some space i see and a couple a week would go by and then i start getting are you done

01:33:38.680 yet man yeah are you done are you done it's like okay am i on so now i'm on your clock now i'm on

01:33:43.840 your you're like okay um and so and then i just some people i just had to stop talking to it just

01:33:51.180 was because they didn't understand really that it wasn't it wasn't a team sport man i don't think

01:33:57.260 there's anything my last note on it then we can close i don't think there's anything that's as

01:34:01.680 demanding a full focus yeah that i've ever worked on it that's why it's been hard for me it's dude

01:34:06.900 you yeah you're gonna have to carve out a certain amount of time where nobody's and it's not

01:34:12.680 personal well it's why a lot of right it's why a lot of writers go completely off grid for four

01:34:16.780 months they go to a cabin they don't talk to yeah for four months i couldn't do that of course not

01:34:21.980 of course not actual last question okay music or no music music while you wrote no um the music

01:34:31.060 of baseball interesting it's a straight it's the only sport i could have on in the back out to the

01:34:36.700 ball game being played got it got it yeah and i could keep the volume at like two low yeah this

01:34:45.340 is this is the question has has a rhythm like a flow to it having a flow yeah you know madeline

01:34:51.620 is on first and we've got strawberry coming up to that and you it became almost like this mundane

01:34:56.060 background for me it's lyricalist music it's called lo-fi interesting okay no lyrics because

01:35:02.600 i find that lyrics and hearing other words oh it takes you out of what you're doing yeah but i

01:35:08.040 listen to a band called explosions in the sky which is a very dramatic lo-fi synth sound okay

01:35:14.600 i listened to a lot of that the entire time i wrote the book i don't know that we're geeking

01:35:17.660 on books now but dude this is like an honor for me yeah no likewise likewise thank you thank you

01:35:24.240 brother thank you yeah thanks for the time yeah congrats on the book and the doc thank you go buy

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