Impaulsive with Logan Paul - Billionaire Bryan Johnson Cheats Death By Taking His Son’s Blood & Spends $2M⧸Year To Reverse Aging

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00:00:28.440 this guy is trying to live forever are you a vampire yes why did you take your son's blood

00:00:34.080 and put it in your body i mean my son is here tell me you want to come say hi blink twice if

00:00:37.280 he tricked you into doing it yeah i have the best biomarkers of anybody on the planet so if there

00:00:41.540 were an olympic sport for health i would be the gold medalist steve will do it is healthier than

00:00:45.440 you sleep is the most powerful drug to demonstrate this i achieved the best sleep score in human

00:00:50.280 history so there's five habits you want to do for sleep i am happier than almost anybody i think i

00:00:54.840 I have a more fulfilled life than anybody.

00:00:56.600 Well, you got me be.

00:00:57.200 Like, basically, I have already died.

00:00:59.620 Brian Johnson is dead.

00:01:01.240 What was Liver King's real name?

00:01:02.980 Yeah, Brian Johnson.

00:01:03.640 Because, dude, he also sat on this podcast and said,

00:01:05.700 Brian Johnson died.

00:01:06.700 Let me tell you the story real quick about Brian Johnson.

00:01:09.000 That guy's f***ing gone.

00:01:09.800 He's dead.

00:01:10.120 2030 is going to make 2025 look like the third century.

00:01:13.360 We're all NPCs.

00:01:14.800 Who's the main character, Roman Reigns?

00:01:16.220 My internal body clock is 0.57.

00:01:18.740 My birthday's every 21 months.

00:01:20.760 All right, so how much will Mike's burger take off your life?

00:01:22.840 Roughly the same as one cigarette.

00:01:24.300 20 minutes.

00:01:24.840 fine. When you do things like Benji at night, there's a calculation of how much you're actually

00:01:31.020 done. You do that, Mike. Well, you do too. You just go back. No, it's sick because you're right.

00:01:35.440 Whatever. I like drinking.

00:01:49.000 Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian. I was about to go on stage last night.

00:01:53.320 In the ring, yeah.

00:01:54.560 I don't feel like my higher-ups would have liked that.

00:01:57.060 Why?

00:01:57.840 I don't know.

00:01:58.460 You're not a wrestler.

00:01:59.300 What would you have done?

00:02:00.960 Brought peace.

00:02:02.440 You know, like, broke peace.

00:02:04.340 At a wrestling event, we don't want peace.

00:02:06.880 We don't want violence.

00:02:07.720 Yeah, that's true.

00:02:08.040 Have you ever wrestled against someone that can live forever?

00:02:10.500 No, no.

00:02:11.160 You can't hurt them.

00:02:11.900 Yeah, is that true?

00:02:12.640 You're unscathed, invincible.

00:02:15.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:16.780 I'm the escape artist for death.

00:02:18.780 Whoa.

00:02:20.240 Brian Johnson, ladies and gentlemen.

00:02:23.320 give him give him give him a fucking blur all right this guy right here is trying to live forever

00:02:28.780 well forever is not a construct that the human mind can currently

00:02:33.860 understand maybe not your mind because no no no no leave the crack out of it these are his

00:02:39.580 these are brian's words but a a a large increase in lifespan that's what we're talking about today

00:02:46.780 right is that right an extremist you're an extremist whoa who's taking things to the extreme

00:02:51.860 trying to do things with your body treating it as a guinea pig so you can try to extend your life

00:02:57.920 lifespan longevity but not only that brian you're a successful tech entrepreneur you just have a

00:03:02.680 a netflix documentary called don't die come out congratulations on that by the way i just watched

00:03:07.400 it sold uh sold brain tree venmo venmo the payment processor i use it regularly for 300 million

00:03:13.160 dollars you're a rich guy you're a live forever guy and you're a guy congratulations on all three

00:03:18.040 of those things guys and brian i like you you're you're always you're so smiley and uh every time

00:03:23.800 we've we've met up it's been all it's been so friendly but dude i'm not gonna take it easy on

00:03:28.640 you in this podcast i'm not i'm gonna i'm gonna ask you the hard-hitting question all right i'm

00:03:32.920 ready for it are you a vampire yes i mean my my temp my internal body temperature is 93.4 fahrenheit

00:03:40.060 i'm five degrees lower than 98.7 dude stop fucking with me dude yeah wait wait repeat that one more

00:03:46.040 time for anybody like myself who missed a small part of it so a normal body temperature is 98.7

00:03:50.940 thereabouts yeah mine's 93.4 okay how why and is that a good thing yeah so we i mean the theory is

00:04:01.820 animals animal species that have lower metabolic rates lower body temperatures live longer turtles

00:04:07.500 so lower metabolic rate is there another example sorry turtles i wanted so much is

00:04:15.500 debate in that yeah yeah but like a you just we know this uh colder things typically do better

00:04:22.340 now there's some exceptions where dolphins run a little hotter but generally speaking uh the

00:04:27.100 combination of having no inflammation in my body having being on caloric restriction you know a

00:04:32.100 very pristine diet my body temp has dropped five degrees it's been pretty stunning dude your

00:04:37.280 lifestyle is insane in what way it's just so extreme and and you have to be so committed to

00:04:44.740 do it you're you're you take how many pills a day 50 and you're you have 100 sleep score

00:04:51.640 for the past uh yeah like year and you work out every single day no caffeine no alcohol all the

00:04:58.940 things you'd expect like the best behaving person to do and the healthiest person to do would you

00:05:04.740 would you say you're probably one of the healthiest people in the world i think it is accurate to say

00:05:09.360 i have i am the most healthy person in the entire world i have the best comprehensive biomarkers of

00:05:16.620 anybody on the planet so if there were an olympic sport for health i would be the gold medalist

00:05:21.280 steve will do it is healthier than you who steve will do it i i'm 100 positive that steve will do

00:05:27.600 it is the healthiest person on the planet okay he's a he's another creator super focused on health

00:05:32.220 cold plunges every day he's he's an excessive drinker and gambler he's got some faults but i

00:05:39.680 but i believe that if you went all right ahead with him all right you you guys would have a

00:05:43.320 showdown he would at least be a close second yes okay can we go one by one yeah the way of things

00:05:48.380 here because like we're gonna go back and forth we're gonna rapid fire but but don't feel free

00:05:52.440 to like that's not what i meant oh i just meant a little bit of more regimented approach than our

00:05:56.180 normal rapid fire because you have a very regimented lifestyle the three big ones that

00:06:01.640 stick out to me in my studies, in my research, is diet, sleep, and exercise. Can you start by

00:06:09.640 prioritizing the three into what is the most important for human lifespan expansion? And then

00:06:15.540 tell us a little bit about what you do in those three categories. Yeah. I'll explain a little bit

00:06:20.300 of methodology behind why we do these things. So let's just say your life expectancy in California,

00:06:26.460 average life expectancy is 79 years.

00:06:29.080 So you can back into that and say,

00:06:30.820 you die blank percent every day, right?

00:06:33.460 You can actually calculate

00:06:34.320 how much your body dies every day, right?

00:06:37.560 Then if you slow that down,

00:06:39.600 then you can live longer than 79 years.

00:06:42.220 If you speed it up,

00:06:43.420 you live shorter than 79 years, right?

00:06:45.640 Makes sense.

00:06:46.740 So things that accelerate,

00:06:48.200 if you smoked or you drank or you're obese,

00:06:50.560 that accelerates your rate of death.

00:06:53.020 So you're going to live fewer than 79 years.

00:06:55.220 if you do good things sleep well exercise etc you're going to extend that and so what we did

00:07:00.980 is we said we're going to look at all the scientific evidence ever published on the

00:07:06.380 evidence on slowing down speed aging and accelerating aging and then we're going to

00:07:11.780 try to be the most don't die person in human history so how do you slow down the speed of

00:07:18.020 aging how do you extend lifespan and that's what we've done and so for example when i say i have

00:07:21.540 the best comprehensive biomarkers for example like my internal body clock on my speed of aging

00:07:25.880 is 0.57 you got it lower than 0.6 did 0.57 congratulations thank you you've yeah you know

00:07:32.800 you know what that you know about this you know how hard that is like well i got my epigenetic

00:07:36.020 age done i'm i'm aging at 0.72 good job that's that's excellent it's pretty solid mine was 1.68

00:07:42.300 did you say did you measure did you measure it i'm actually should be clocking out

00:07:46.100 no i'm just kidding i'm kidding 0.57 you're you're aging like almost half as slow as the

00:07:53.720 regular person exactly my birthday is every 21 months so so what based on that and i i did do a

00:08:00.140 analysis on my biological age and it was it was i'm probably right around 1.0 because i was about

00:08:06.600 my age yeah from biological standpoint which i'm trying to work on so that would mean that based

00:08:11.920 on that marker you would anticipate in the state of california living to about 147 years old is

00:08:19.540 that a good get like as guesstimate i mean you can you can say it's some number of years more

00:08:24.560 than 79 but i started at one and so we've marched our way down to 0.57 how long did it take uh like

00:08:31.180 four years to get to this level i just like getting better and better and we're going to cover the

00:08:35.320 things that you did i want to ask one overarching question before we even get to it uh nature versus

00:08:41.100 nurture genetics uh how old have your did your grandparents live to how old are your parents now

00:08:50.520 uh and how much do you think that affects your actual end game lifespan i mean i'm genetically

00:08:57.920 disadvantaged so i'm at this uh i created this so when i first started doing this

00:09:03.220 people would view me and they see the headlines maybe like vampire eccentric billionaire fuckhead

00:09:09.820 and you know dorian gray prometheus like they just unloaded like unload it just a string of

00:09:18.480 words of like i don't know what but i'm repulsed yeah they didn't know what it was it was like

00:09:23.280 some version of like god i hate you and i want you to die i think it's i think the response you

00:09:28.180 elicit from people is wild by the way it's you're trying to live forever and people hate it they

00:09:32.620 hate it they give him the same response they give you and all he's trying to do is live forever yeah

00:09:37.780 yeah well i i i i could i hear some of their claims by the way i'm not a hater i'm a subscriber

00:09:43.700 because i i too am trying to live like forever because that's look i got haters too and the

00:09:47.600 only way you can really win is you outlive all these motherfuckers yeah what's what's their

00:09:50.400 vector when they hate on you what they say like what oh you don't want to do all that

00:09:55.780 no i i uh no everyone loves me yeah i get it

00:10:01.780 so like i wanted to live till i was 150 and so like i'm really interested and after this we have

00:10:08.780 one of your don't die dinners yeah and your whole movement is don't die yeah and we're gonna get

00:10:13.060 we're gonna get into the specifics specifics of this for people who want to live uh forever who

00:10:18.140 are watching but even just that even that like thesis in its own right like i saw on your netflix

00:10:24.220 documentary um you acknowledged how human connection and can you stop bouncing your

00:10:31.220 foot bro you i'm just really excited for this show i was pumped to hear about a genetic disadvantage

00:10:35.420 until you curved the entire conversation sorry i'm fucking sorry logan okay i'm sorry that i

00:10:40.700 don't age at 0.4 dude okay back to the show uh all right so yeah you you acknowledge that human

00:10:47.060 connection and the ability to just like be in communities is is important it's it's kind of

00:10:51.500 inherent to our species and you even said like you don't want to end up being alone

00:10:55.480 but brian if you're if you're living forever who you hanging out with who you talking to like is

00:11:00.880 that a concern of yours uh humans are like our best attribute is how adaptable we are like we

00:11:08.540 imagine all the times that like if life so we see this with paraplegics right someone imagines if

00:11:14.080 you're normally functioning you become paralyzed do you want to live most people imagine like no

00:11:19.520 so there's a story actually i read this scientific story where this woman treated als patients

00:11:23.380 she said you know if i ever get to a stage of life where the only thing i can do is blink

00:11:28.060 pull it like i don't want it and like guess what happened she got there she got there she got an

00:11:34.520 als she went down the entire path her family's supporting her she can barely blink and they

00:11:40.060 ask her do you want us to pull the plug and what did she say no like the the desire to exist is so

00:11:46.860 fundamental in us and it doesn't matter what we say people be like ah i'll give away the last 10

00:11:52.020 years of my life to drink now or smoke now or party now or whatever you can't speak for that

00:11:56.480 future self you don't know like we want to exist with everything inside of us is it a desire

00:12:02.020 to exist or a fear not to i mean whatever it is she's not pulling the plug and so that's the

00:12:10.840 thing is that it's it's like such a fundamental thing and like our fickleness of life like the

00:12:18.120 fact that we're willing to like potentially put our lives at risk and do things that shorten our

00:12:21.740 lives i think in just like five or ten years time we will be like oh my god that was crazy we were

00:12:28.600 so flippant with our conscious existence like how could we be so foolish so i this is one of the

00:12:34.220 things i really appreciate about your entire mission there's a few things and i'll list some

00:12:39.560 of them right now one is i really appreciate your self-awareness i've heard you joke about

00:12:44.160 dying by choking on a piece of broccoli yeah like and by the way the haters are waiting

00:12:48.380 for sure right they're waiting you got to make sure you're chewing it'll be it'll be bok choy

00:12:52.300 by the way oh my god bok choy is trying to kill you if you get a piece of bok choy jam down your

00:12:58.580 throat good luck i had to yank it out of abby's throat your sister she we were at a japanese

00:13:02.780 restaurant she got a piece that was all the way sticking out and i had to actually in the restaurant

00:13:07.280 reach down yeah slimy little shit dude it's like eating a seaweed yes death by bok choy so that's

00:13:13.620 that's one of the things i appreciate about appreciate about you and the other thing i

00:13:17.240 appreciate about you is i think maybe because of your background in tech and just the way you think

00:13:21.580 and the way you build businesses like you're you're you're very clearly like a very capable

00:13:25.460 intelligent human being and i like how you kind of extrapolate the thought process of of where

00:13:32.560 humans will be in 100 years 200 years now in the same way you you you liken it to uh you know

00:13:37.980 2 000 years ago basically our human values are are very differing and many people are are grounded

00:13:45.580 in the present day and you think that what in 200 years i'll let you elaborate on this

00:13:50.540 we'll look back and people will think it's crazy that we weren't focusing on expanding our lives

00:13:54.640 correct entirely so that but that that point of view is is hard very most people are living day

00:14:01.020 to day yep just trying to survive their nine to five job and they go home to their like upset wife

00:14:07.060 and their three kids, but I think you're, you've been able to have an extreme ability

00:14:14.660 to have foresight into human development. Can you talk a little bit about, about that and

00:14:21.740 how that perspective even came to be? Yeah, it was a thought experiment I did. So I sold

00:14:25.960 Braintree Venmo and the question was like, what do you do? I had been working for this moment my

00:14:30.080 entire life. At 21, I said, I want to spend my life doing something useful for the human race.

00:14:34.560 I didn't know what.

00:14:35.520 So I said, okay, I'll become an entrepreneur.

00:14:37.140 I'll make a whole bunch of money.

00:14:38.220 And then with money, I'll decide what to do.

00:14:40.500 So that was the moment.

00:14:41.380 Like it arrived.

00:14:41.940 I had $300 million in my bank account.

00:14:43.760 What do you do?

00:14:44.800 And I did two things.

00:14:46.380 One is I organized a bunch of dinners with my smartest friends.

00:14:48.880 And I said, I'm going to give you a thought experiment.

00:14:51.060 I want to hear your answers.

00:14:52.520 So I said, let's imagine we exist in 2050.

00:14:54.880 And we're in that year.

00:14:56.020 We're like, this existence is amazing.

00:14:58.280 Like better than anything we ever imagined.

00:15:00.620 What did we focus on in 2016 to make that possible?

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00:16:59.140 Hey, what's up? I'm Tony Gonzalez.

00:17:00.980 And I'm October Gonzalez.

00:17:02.380 But you can call me Toby.

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00:17:08.460 Where we get real about marriage, parenthood, sex, divorce,

00:17:11.980 and all the nitty gritty stuff we all think about.

00:17:14.420 But just don't say out loud.

00:17:15.520 I hate that job.

00:17:16.420 You're probably just going to meet with some rich guy

00:17:17.960 and he's going to whisk you away and I'll never see you again.

00:17:21.620 Oh, this is awkward.

00:17:23.300 Would you say a D-less actor?

00:17:25.100 D?

00:17:27.080 I don't even know there's such a thing as D.

00:17:28.920 No, no, no.

00:17:29.560 I mean, like.

00:17:30.100 I can't even get on the C list.

00:17:31.020 Like, I'm not even average.

00:17:31.880 I'm not even passing.

00:17:32.840 I'm failing.

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00:17:45.080 Surprisingly, they would say all the things you would expect people to say in a current time and place.

00:17:50.180 There's like a zeitgeist of ideas, right?

00:17:51.520 The same ideas, pattern, just repeat again and again.

00:17:54.380 So I held 12 dinners.

00:17:56.220 The ideas were the same in every single dinner.

00:17:58.760 right? Like exact same. So then I said, okay, I'm going to write down all these ideas. I'm

00:18:02.500 going to put a box around it and say, I can't do anything inside this box. Nothing. Like

00:18:07.880 I can't, any idea that's currently being worked on, I can't do it. I have to find something

00:18:11.880 outside the box. And so I was like, okay, so now I know what not to do. The question

00:18:16.760 is now what to do. So then I did a second thought experiment. I imagined being present

00:18:20.620 in the 25th century. So now you're there a few hundred years into the future. They're

00:18:25.880 looking back at this time and place and they have of course all the benefit of this vantage point

00:18:30.720 and they say what did homo sapiens do us homo sapiens in the year 2020s that made existence

00:18:36.960 exist in this part of the galaxy and so in that thought process you have to realize while our

00:18:42.340 lives are rich and fun and we're all busy they're going to compress our entire century into like two

00:18:48.080 things this is this is it continue i love this so like we look back the third century we're like

00:18:53.140 yeah one thing happened in the third century like even though there was like millions of people with

00:18:57.100 like political drama and economic drama like so much happened one thing happened so history

00:19:01.800 compresses information to a teeny tiny amount of industrial revolution yep you know like the

00:19:06.620 printing press exactly we will be the internet exactly like we will be the internet that's what

00:19:11.500 will be defined exactly so when they say this like what happened and so they compress our entire

00:19:17.360 thing i think they say two things they say that's when homo sapiens gave birth to super intelligence

00:19:23.060 and that's when homo sapiens figured out

00:19:26.660 they're moving towards a horizon

00:19:28.940 of perpetually extending their lives.

00:19:31.920 I love this.

00:19:32.060 Moving past death being inevitable

00:19:34.340 to like, it's like you think about this,

00:19:37.080 like if you, we've always imagined that God created us,

00:19:41.080 like that we are in his image.

00:19:43.100 But the irony, the irony always rules.

00:19:45.540 It's why I'm gonna die in the most ironic way possible.

00:19:47.980 We know this is why.

00:19:50.460 We are giving birth to God.

00:19:53.060 AI has all the characteristics that we've imagined God to have,

00:19:57.480 all-knowing, all-powerful.

00:19:59.140 Now, over some time duration, AI is going to be capable to a degree

00:20:02.100 which we can't quite comprehend.

00:20:03.900 Now, in that situation, intelligence arises.

00:20:07.740 The first thing it does, what does it do?

00:20:10.040 It wants to make sure it secures its existence.

00:20:13.360 It's going to size up what is the energy source of the universe?

00:20:17.140 What is the battery capacity of this universe?

00:20:19.420 How much energy can I harness?

00:20:20.560 and it's gonna be like and how do i eliminate threats that compromise my existence dude that's

00:20:25.420 what you do when you're intelligent well i want to like really dive into that too but like i don't

00:20:32.660 want to move too much off longevity because at some point in this episode i want to talk about

00:20:36.240 like okay you like everyone else there's a man i can't remember his name who wrote a book called

00:20:40.940 cassandras it was about all the cassandras of of world times and history people that were uh that

00:20:47.340 warned us about something the trojan horse about the things that were going to happen

00:20:50.960 everyone involved with ai is warning us about ai right now so what the fuck are we doing dude like

00:20:59.420 like hey man if this thing were to escape the sandbox guess what it's going to like it's going

00:21:04.780 to escape the sandbox as i always use the the analogy i always use as it lays its artificial

00:21:09.500 intelligence foundation human civilization will simply be an anthill that it needs to roll over

00:21:14.120 there will be no decision making the the tesla bomber allegedly posted on 4chan about how ai has

00:21:20.420 already escaped the sandbox and that's what that's what the new jersey drones are all right sorry

00:21:25.400 relax i'm just conspiracy extremely conspiratorial i'm not saying i believe that i'm just saying i

00:21:30.500 think we're here i think we're like like moments away from i agree yeah i want to stay the one

00:21:35.300 thing i'm thinking about today is like how do we apply this conversation to the people watching

00:21:41.240 this and there's a lot of them in our audience that don't do 10 million dollar dinner thought

00:21:45.120 experiments that aren't thinking about the first flight out to mars and i want to make sure that

00:21:49.620 as much of absorbable deep data that can come out as episode for people that are in tuscaloosa

00:21:55.140 or wherever they are out there right now can actually yeah well we will bring it all together

00:21:59.980 we will we will make the very clear daily habits and how it maps to this larger thought experiment

00:22:06.120 it's all one thing amazing yeah okay yeah so just so to bridge that i'll bridge it to practical so

00:22:12.920 um the the idea here is that 2030 is going to make 2025 look like the third century

00:22:21.820 really yes half quick yes what yes why uab uh i mean if you like if you say like the core premise

00:22:31.760 is that basically like when you guys came here today you probably came in a car and you probably

00:22:36.800 put my address in the car and then in the navigation app right and it said like drive the driver drive

00:22:41.980 down the street take this path because i had information about traffic and streets nobody

00:22:46.740 pulled out a map nobody had the streets memorized so you said yes to an algorithm because it was

00:22:51.620 better at that function than you are right yep yep so algorithms are built to do a variety of

00:22:56.500 things for us it's like to drive our social feed it's to get directions just to give us programming

00:23:01.380 like algorithms do things on medical data, right?

00:23:03.620 Algorithms do many things.

00:23:05.080 So algorithms do things that we humans do

00:23:07.540 and we say yes to them

00:23:08.560 when they do it better than we can.

00:23:10.960 Over a very short period of time,

00:23:13.060 algorithms are going to be better at us

00:23:14.940 at almost everything, if not everything.

00:23:17.480 Yeah.

00:23:17.780 They will be better at being you than you are you.

00:23:20.700 Huh? No.

00:23:22.120 Yes.

00:23:22.580 No.

00:23:23.160 No.

00:23:24.080 So wait, so we're going to get sucked into the algorithm?

00:23:27.320 No one on this godforsaken planet

00:23:28.220 is better at being me than me.

00:23:29.960 Machines can be.

00:23:30.720 so if you just take

00:23:32.060 let's take a training model

00:23:33.020 let me say

00:23:33.400 we're going to take

00:23:34.480 everything Logan Paul

00:23:35.440 has ever done

00:23:36.560 everything?

00:23:38.020 everything you've ever done

00:23:38.800 everything

00:23:39.740 and we're going to say

00:23:40.900 that's from a laugh actually

00:23:41.940 like how would

00:23:42.960 Logan Paul

00:23:43.780 like this would be

00:23:45.000 a cool experiment

00:23:45.540 how would Logan Paul

00:23:47.960 conduct this interview

00:23:49.180 like what questions

00:23:50.460 would he ask

00:23:51.060 how would he respond

00:23:52.300 what facial expressions

00:23:53.340 would he say

00:23:54.140 what jokes would he make

00:23:55.520 and so while you

00:23:56.460 experience yourself

00:23:57.200 as this highly original

00:23:58.220 character in life

00:23:59.240 like we all do

00:23:59.900 we're all npcs our patterns are all so similar who's the main character roman range

00:24:06.560 wave something and you want to know the scary part about it i'm an npc no the crazy part about

00:24:16.120 it with with where you're going with this which is absolutely true and horrifying

00:24:19.960 they don't have bad days they don't have days where they wake up slightly depressed or a little

00:24:26.580 tired or whatever like we do and we have to try to battle through it so on those days where you're

00:24:31.740 only 70 effective that machine that acts like you was 100 effective and way better than you probably

00:24:38.400 in the bedroom okay fine yeah that's true and so like you just take that and then so it being a

00:24:43.320 pattern system of you then it gets to pull in all data of the human race has ever discovered to say

00:24:48.760 how would we interview brian johnson you're like what are all the questions have ever been posed

00:24:52.880 what does the story in the inner line say what do people care about for a sentiment like information

00:24:57.440 you don't have like it's a navigation app right yeah they know traffic patterns they know streets

00:25:01.640 and so you start piecing these things together and that changes everything about our existence

00:25:07.040 and you can make many of those arguments where it's just inevitable it's already here like these

00:25:10.800 systems are so good to to a fault and this is and this is what saves us and eventually this will

00:25:17.540 break down as well but i don't think it will be by 2030 you tell me a story about a close friend

00:25:23.860 who's passed away my ability to really formulate an empathetic response to that to that q or to

00:25:31.800 that uh proc query whatever you want to call it is is is uh intuitive to me and is going to take

00:25:39.560 some time for the robots and the ai to get like they're it's just gonna say i'm sorry well maybe

00:25:44.860 you will make a new friend like but it'll sound more like a human i don't know why i gave it a

00:25:49.720 robot voice because they just sound now but like do you understand what i'm saying i think there's

00:25:53.820 a good amount now so you believe that there's going to be so much progress between 2025 and 2030

00:26:00.600 that 2030 will look like the third century now let me ask you the question 2025 will look like

00:26:06.820 the third sorry my bad 2025 will look like the third century why have we not had a five-year

00:26:12.500 span like that ever before and what makes the next five years so incredibly expedited it's our

00:26:18.820 ability to increase intelligence like we have always been the apex of intelligence for humans

00:26:24.020 have ai now is you know as smart or smarter than us in many domains and the rate at which it's

00:26:29.700 improving is an exponential or near exponential yeah whereas we humans were right we get better

00:26:35.160 tools but like you just have to like all this to say like you can disagree me disagree with me that

00:26:40.460 maybe it's not 2030 maybe it's 2035 maybe it's 2050 whatever like on the larger scale of of like

00:26:46.680 galactic time it's now yeah so the only point i'm making is to say change is happening insanely fast

00:26:55.300 we can't know what's happening there's nobody knows whether they can express a positive opinion

00:27:01.260 or a negative thing nobody knows nobody knows so if things are changing fast the question is

00:27:07.700 what do we do as a species that is the only question in existence that matters nothing

00:27:13.540 else matters right now and your answer to the question is essentially self-preserve it's don't

00:27:17.800 die but see don't die it's a it's a very clever like one-liner and people are yeah that's kind

00:27:21.640 of funny it's actually the most robust ideology in the world that starts with storytelling becomes

00:27:28.800 a practical operating system is mathematically sound is computationally sound and is based in

00:27:33.820 physics i wanted to ask you about this because i'm i'm like a i'm a branding marketing guy

00:27:37.540 and obviously don't die is is is catchy it's it's alarming and then when you learn like it's it's a

00:27:44.620 hook essentially with the whole ideology behind it it's it's brilliant truly and and you know

00:27:50.480 brilliance because you've done this before you're you're you're a businessman and i think that's

00:27:54.480 actually where some of the the haters come for you because you have made a business out of the

00:28:00.200 lifestyle in spreading your teachings online and although i don't personally disagree and it sounded

00:28:06.440 like ultimately on netflix like people who like most most people thought you you had the right

00:28:12.020 intentions like you're you're you are trying to help humanity and i i i think what you're doing

00:28:15.760 is like you're you're sacrificing um an excessive lifestyle that you could easily be living with all

00:28:22.160 the money you had to help preserve our species and help everyone live longer but brian don't die

00:28:28.260 it it may feel a bit gimmicky so i guess my question is why not like a more a more positive

00:28:37.280 like like stay alive or like or like live long like when i manifest i avoid saying the negative

00:28:43.880 stuff like like do don't die do not die in that like my my subconscious here is not and die yeah

00:28:51.840 and and together as a sentence i get it but but why don't die did you are you astutely aware of

00:28:59.920 of the idea that it is that kind of like punch in the face to grab attention and does any part of

00:29:07.120 you worry that it actually is inviting death yeah so um there's been more murder committed

00:29:17.820 over fighting over whose version of live well

00:29:21.640 people should live

00:29:23.140 than any other topic on the planet.

00:29:25.920 Humans murder each other

00:29:27.540 trying to resolve the differences

00:29:29.200 between who is living well the best.

00:29:33.120 What else?

00:29:34.600 Don't die is the most played game

00:29:37.860 by every human on the planet

00:29:39.860 every second of every day.

00:29:41.340 Our zeroth order priority is to not die.

00:29:44.040 Animals, their zeroth order priority is to not die.

00:29:46.680 all the biological mass on this earth that is the game so what is the most played game by all

00:29:53.600 of intelligence plants animals humans survival don't die yeah it's the most played game it's

00:29:59.660 not live well don't die i agree but i i'm not even saying live well i'm just saying like live long

00:30:04.980 or like live for a stay alive why not why why not stay alive let me it's the same game it's the same

00:30:10.140 game let me tell let me answer quickly one part of it when's the last time you saw a viral post

00:30:15.180 of two dogs licking each other's faces

00:30:17.360 or two pandas hugging.

00:30:19.180 No, I get it.

00:30:20.020 That's what I'm-

00:30:21.240 Death, murder, school fight, people burning a lot.

00:30:24.700 Are you playing into that is what I'm asking.

00:30:26.340 So yeah, what I'm saying is,

00:30:27.540 so you, whatever the solution is-

00:30:30.280 Dirty laundry.

00:30:31.200 You, like if you give AI democracy,

00:30:34.600 you're like, hey, AI,

00:30:36.560 implement democracy as our way to help humans cooperate.

00:30:39.200 Democracy is a very subjective thing.

00:30:41.380 You have to decide like this or that.

00:30:43.080 There's no clear lines.

00:30:44.140 you have these basic concepts in the constitution, but it's very subjective. Don't die is mathematical.

00:30:51.220 It's based on physics. You can quantify it. Does a thing die or not? Right. That's what I've tried

00:30:56.980 to do with my body. And so the reason why don't die is important is you have to create an ideology

00:31:00.860 in the world that you can't just use as a storytelling mechanism. You have to apply math

00:31:05.980 and computation and physics. Well, couldn't you do that with stay alive? You can't. Why?

00:31:12.320 It's not as reducible as a computational methodology.

00:31:16.600 Okay, so like if I'm walking on a tightrope over a canyon

00:31:21.140 and I'm trying to preserve myself,

00:31:27.200 what's more effective as I'm walking on that tightrope?

00:31:30.820 Me going, don't die, don't die, don't die, don't die,

00:31:33.300 or stay alive, stay alive.

00:31:35.660 And I don't know the answer to the question.

00:31:37.000 Yeah, I mean-

00:31:37.920 Because I guess you're clearly eliciting like a fear response.

00:31:44.440 And fear keeps animals alive.

00:31:47.260 It does.

00:31:48.540 You're hitting on like an instinctual feeling.

00:31:50.780 I mean, it keeps humans alive too.

00:31:52.320 Well, we're animals as well.

00:31:53.560 No, no, no.

00:31:53.880 But I just mean like people didn't stop smoking until they found out that it was killing them.

00:32:05.140 Right?

00:32:05.260 so they stopped smoking cigarettes because they didn't want to die like people didn't say oh i'm

00:32:11.020 gonna put down the new ports this week this month because i'm gonna stay alive yeah they don't people

00:32:15.460 don't want to die so yeah so i can relate and understand i stopped doing heroin and smoking

00:32:21.740 crack because i didn't want to die i knew i was gonna die it was not that i wanted to stay alive

00:32:25.520 i wasn't trying to preserve my life i was trying not to die yeah makes sense so i your body is

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00:34:37.300 But just don't say it out loud.

00:34:38.380 I hate that job.

00:34:39.280 You're probably just going to meet with some rich guy and he's going to whisk you away and I'll never see you again.

00:34:44.540 Would you say a D-list actor?

00:34:47.960 D?

00:34:49.980 I don't even know there's such a thing as D.

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00:35:08.160 Hey, I'm yielding.

00:35:09.140 I'm yielding.

00:35:10.080 Yeah.

00:35:10.380 No, but I also don't.

00:35:11.200 I think it's just a guy asking questions.

00:35:12.920 I mean, the last thing is,

00:35:13.780 I mean, staying alive is fine.

00:35:15.500 Like you can say a positive frame.

00:35:17.600 It's just, it's not as measurable.

00:35:20.240 You want something that is absolutely,

00:35:22.800 quantitatively robust you want to be based in math and staying alive is not based upon it right

00:35:28.300 it's like some unknown horizon whereas die is extremely numerical oh oh so when you guys talk

00:35:35.300 about your rate of death which is a very measurable uh quantitative rate of aging data

00:35:41.720 you're going to like so like the the ultimate boss of the universe is entropy the ultimate boss

00:35:50.620 what the exchange of heat it's thermodynamics yeah so you're looking at the dissipate like the

00:35:54.900 the uh the loss of order in the universe right like the universe is a you could basically

00:36:00.180 calculate how much energy is in the universe the energy keeps us existing yeah over time the

00:36:05.300 universe is going to have zero energy like over a certain duration of time there'll be nothing here

00:36:08.480 to play with so we can't like existence can't exist existence can't happen with zero energy

00:36:12.780 and so physicists will probably correct me on that maybe that's true but like generally speaking we

00:36:17.480 need energy source right and so entropy is the final boss and so you're trying to measure every

00:36:23.100 point entropy and that's why don't die it maps to like the fundamental layers of physics the

00:36:29.240 fundamental layers of nature of our existence all the way through mathematical models all the way

00:36:34.040 through human storytelling so like it plays full stack on all the abstraction layers we understand

00:36:39.140 for knowledge i'm sorry can you break down entropy as the final boss because i thought i thought

00:36:42.800 entropy was hot energy or hot air will go to cold air it's essentially like an exchange of heat in

00:36:50.380 physics yeah thermodynamics it's a second law so you're just looking at you're going from order

00:36:54.840 to disorder like to increase increase chaos like okay there's this uh over time the universe is

00:37:01.160 moving towards increased disorder okay and over over eventually we'll have nothing left in the

00:37:06.580 universe we'll just be quiet yeah so once again gary out in tuscaloosa right now yes first we

00:37:12.720 rich people now we're doing physics majors what can gary do yeah to not die yeah okay because i

00:37:21.360 love the entropy and heat exchange and thermodynamics conversation my father michael malak senior will

00:37:26.480 love that conversation but once again gary and tuscaloosa these three points and and let's move

00:37:32.400 on from there because i want to do peptides i want to do all that stuff right but eat sleep exercise

00:37:36.900 sorry sorry diet sleep exercise so let's let's which i guess i said where do you want to start

00:37:42.540 what is the priority all right cool so here's how what we just talked about maps so it's like okay

00:37:47.400 we all know big stuff has happened in the planet great now if you're seeing this and makes you

00:37:53.280 worried we say what does someone do about this right most people feel powerless like what am i

00:37:59.100 gonna do so i want to say actually we all have power and the reason we have power is we can make

00:38:05.820 daily decisions to not die. And the future of our existence depends upon a big enough number of us

00:38:13.220 choosing that. So we need to save ourselves as a species. So the goal is that don't die becomes

00:38:19.420 the biggest ideology in the world, the most influential ideology in the world by 2027.

00:38:23.360 The way that happens is these practical steps. So I've tried to become the most don't die person

00:38:28.320 in human history, which means I'll walk you through my health habits. But the goal is that

00:38:35.040 Everyone basically practices these ethos.

00:38:38.660 And the more we practice this as a species,

00:38:41.200 we start in a domino fashion.

00:38:44.040 We start with personal habits.

00:38:45.340 We spread them to our companies,

00:38:46.780 to our countries, to the planet.

00:38:48.580 So let me give you an example.

00:38:50.000 So when you go to bed on time, right,

00:38:53.080 you're basically giving your body the capacity

00:38:54.380 to heal itself and repair,

00:38:56.220 slowing down your speed of aging.

00:38:57.900 You can start with yourself.

00:38:59.220 You can then bridge to your family.

00:39:00.760 You can then bridge to your community.

00:39:02.080 You can then bridge to the world.

00:39:03.440 So the goal here is that we have power in these actions,

00:39:06.060 and I'll walk through these,

00:39:07.080 but this is why it's all connected

00:39:08.320 is you can be a warrior in this cause of the species

00:39:13.900 through actions you can take on a daily basis.

00:39:16.760 Like what though?

00:39:18.020 Okay, so start with sleep.

00:39:20.160 Okay, so sleep is the most powerful drug

00:39:22.740 available to anybody,

00:39:24.040 like by far the most powerful drug.

00:39:26.740 And so to demonstrate this,

00:39:28.260 I achieved the best sleep score in human history.

00:39:30.440 I experimented a hundred different things

00:39:32.460 so there's five habits you want to do for sleep so one is you need to map your identity your sleep

00:39:38.140 is uh you are a professional sleeper so in the same way like we scheduled a podcast today we met

00:39:43.680 up today like we we agree we show up on time we behave a certain way but when you think about

00:39:48.800 sleep you push it around right if you if you're towards your bedtime you're like i want to watch

00:39:53.060 a show or i want to hang out with friends or i want like you just like push it around however

00:39:56.180 you want you have to show up on time and treat it that seriously like you would your job number

00:40:01.040 two is your final meal of the day matters a lot so i eat my final meal of the day nine hours before

00:40:05.840 bed and i do that because my body completes digestion and so then when i hit my head it's

00:40:11.440 a pillow my resting heart rate's 44 and when it's that low i'm gonna have a perfect night's sleep

00:40:15.780 you you reverse fast from what i am taking in comparably comparatively to the other

00:40:22.420 intermittents in the world like myself who wakes up and does not eat until 3 p.m no he did you do

00:40:28.520 something kind of similar no no no he eats in the morning 5 a.m when when yeah like 6 to 11 a.m

00:40:34.100 that's oh you do and then i fast from there then i go to bed like 8 30 aren't you hungry um i'm

00:40:39.360 accustomed to it now i was hungry before being hungry sucks dude that's that's gonna be a tough

00:40:44.740 hurdle for a lot of people yeah but have you but have you accomplished and also i guess i can give

00:40:49.240 this back to you and gary have you accomplished by the time your food starts to wear off and you

00:40:56.080 start to become hungry, the majority of your critical tasks for the day, meaning his, my

00:41:01.880 system is kind of fucked because I've got to take calls. I've got to do emails. I've got to work

00:41:05.980 on an empty stomach, not eating until two or 3 PM. He's already moved through all of his critical

00:41:10.960 tasks for the day. By the time he starts getting hungry around six o'clock. And at that point,

00:41:14.660 the only thing you're going to be focused on is going to sleep. Yeah. So people do not need to

00:41:17.980 do what I'm doing. Like I'm, I'm on the extreme side. So people can just simply start with the

00:41:22.560 basic one of two hours so if your bedtime's 10 just be finished eating by eight okay that's that's

00:41:28.040 great we could do that yeah what not to bring up huberman because i know i don't know if you guys

00:41:32.000 are same side or competitors or whatever but he has a rule that's like is it four three two one

00:41:36.940 three two one something it's no food then it's no drink no liquids then it's no screens and then

00:41:43.400 no lights or something i don't know what is what is that again something of that yes what you

00:41:48.120 want to do hate him and want to fight him no it's fine so what you want to do is you want to

00:41:54.700 so every time you hear advice ignore advice and just measure okay so what you're trying to do

00:42:01.160 is you're trying to drive down your resting heart rate that is the single strongest predictor of

00:42:06.920 your sleep quality what is your resting heart heart rate 44 at night or generally when i when

00:42:12.960 i lay down to go to sleep it's 44 what about right now probably 52 and can we test it sure

00:42:18.160 um uh i i watch your workout routine have you considered up in your cardio to potentially get

00:42:25.700 that resting heart rate lower yes i have i have a pretty solid resting heart rate it's it's like

00:42:29.880 39 40 yeah and and i do it i do a lot of cardio yeah and i feel like it has to be related somehow

00:42:36.580 yep i agree that's so like that 39 to 40 is perfect right i don't believe it's elite it's

00:42:41.640 elite level yeah it's like yeah it's it's spot on so good job what what do you use to measure your

00:42:47.060 sleep uh whoop and eat sleep eight sleep's nice it's very nice because it also cools your bed

00:42:52.900 yes and and and and as you mentioned earlier you're five degrees lower than the average person

00:42:58.060 but also um the surface on what you're sleeping if it's colder can cool your body temperature

00:43:03.180 totally provides for better sleep correct and then when you go to hotels and you don't have

00:43:06.580 a cool bed oh man it sucks i gotta make the room cold yeah same i go the lowest number possible i

00:43:12.220 was gonna say how low are you like sleeping in hotel room yeah the lowest the thermos that will

00:43:16.440 go probably like 65 yeah exactly 64 is like typically most hotels yeah yeah okay okay okay

00:43:22.040 so so sleeping and the diet is an easy one well no yes so yeah you just breeze through so start

00:43:27.480 yeah number two is the last meal so just start two hours okay and then go to three then go to four

00:43:32.220 then go to five just test it out i see and you'll find that you'll get accustomed like

00:43:36.340 you might say i'm really hungry i hate this in a few days you might be like god this is amazing

00:43:40.800 like i actually love how i feel because you wake up in the morning you're like best i felt never so

00:43:44.900 you want but you want to drive down your resting heart rate if you eat before bed

00:43:48.580 your resting heart rate is going to be up by 20 30 your sleep's gonna go down 20 30 you know you

00:43:54.920 know what i uh an analogy i heard that i like you're the expert on all this stuff uh i'm and

00:44:01.820 part of the reason why i'm so interested in what you do is because like i i do like a similar like

00:44:06.380 versions of this um a low a low resting heart rate essentially uh someone someone um equated it to me

00:44:15.340 as like like driving a car and if you put shitty gasoline and and your car is always running like

00:44:22.080 the engine's working all the time or if you're on the opposite end if your heart is beating less

00:44:30.260 for longer by the time you're you know 40 50 years old if you're if your heart is essentially

00:44:35.820 on idle exactly for most of your life it's going to be a more efficient heart and be able to keep

00:44:40.860 you alive longer because it's it's beaded 200 000 times less than the than the normal person

00:44:46.140 exactly right if you look at these like power laws where i read a book where something like

00:44:50.620 mammals get a billion heartbeats that's what you get and so you're just spending down life

00:44:58.360 with heartbeats so i haven't seen the exact science i just know as a power law that you can

00:45:03.180 look across species and see this so it makes sense if your if your heart rate is lower if your body

00:45:09.380 temperature is lower if you're burning cooler it makes sense right the body's going to sustain

00:45:14.720 itself longer if you're burning hot and fast you're going to burn through life faster now

00:45:19.480 there's again there's some exceptions in the science but generally speaking that is exactly

00:45:23.280 right yeah i mean it it makes sense but but but what are some ways to then lower your heart rate

00:45:29.380 but besides not eating you know two three four five hours yeah so this yeah now we have this

00:45:34.020 principle established of so people who don't have a wearable tonight when you go to bed this is the

00:45:38.020 example just simply measure your heart rate so put you know your fingers up to your your neck

00:45:42.900 here or your wrist and just see where you're at as a baseline and then start with your two hours

00:45:47.840 before bed then three then four and you're just going to see your heart rate drop and as your

00:45:52.380 heart rate drop, sleep's improved. The next step is to do a wind down routine. And so oftentimes

00:45:58.100 the things that drive our heart rate up are when we're aroused, right? When we're, when we are

00:46:02.200 concerned, when we're anxious, when we're spinning through thoughts, if we've been in a fight.

00:46:06.240 So at 7.30 PM, one hour before I go to bed, I start my wind down routine. I do this internal

00:46:11.680 dialogue where I'll say, okay, sleep Brian is now on duty at 7.30. So I imagine him with like a

00:46:18.620 shield and a sword and he's like no you shall not pass yeah yeah and so like at 731 ambitious

00:46:24.520 brian shows up and he's like i got a plan for you like i know we have this new product idea

00:46:29.220 this new this new concept and sleep brian's like thank you ambitious brian yeah get out of here

00:46:34.760 we love you like you're a great guy legit we're busy right now getting ready for bed so we're

00:46:40.520 gonna write this down and tomorrow we're gonna be like full listen to your ideas and then i address

00:46:45.840 him then 732 anxious brian shows up he's like god damn it today you know you said that thing

00:46:51.340 and you're you were such an asshole so they probably hate you what about if horny brian

00:46:57.600 shows up because for a lot of americans and everybody else on the planet nighttime is a

00:47:03.320 good time to bang it out a little bit yeah and for some people that might arouse them or get

00:47:08.760 their heartbeat going yeah great so sex i think i've seen the data i think it has a mixed result

00:47:13.280 some people do well with it some people don't so i think yeah like do sex like i i i like these uh

00:47:20.900 character versions of yourself that you do when you describe the old version of you which you

00:47:27.960 know you know it was fascinating you had you had battled depression you you got into all these

00:47:32.120 unhealthy habits and one of which you you called you refer to yourself as nighttime brian would

00:47:36.200 show up and that's when you would you you indulge yeah wait wait who's this dude dude yeah so hear

00:47:41.860 more about this yeah so tell us about nighttime brian because i think being able to identify the

00:47:46.560 of yourself that pop in and out of your life it's something i've done i always i always like to play

00:47:51.360 with the idea of present self and future self yes and the idea that i i i want to look out for my

00:47:56.840 future self and in order to do that present self got to show up that's right for that dude yes

00:48:01.060 because i know like right now 29 year old me is very grateful for 24 year old logan yes he because

00:48:07.500 he worked his ass off and i'm looking around like my life's pretty good shout out 24 year old me

00:48:11.300 but so i like these this idea of of characterizing these versions of yourself but tell us about

00:48:16.440 nighttime brian yeah so this is when i was depressed i was building my company i was having

00:48:20.540 challenges in my relationship i had three little babies and so at the end of the day right you're

00:48:25.480 just worn down you've like fought a good fight at the company you've put out on the fires you

00:48:30.680 bathe the kids you put them to bed and you're just and then you've got a fight with your partner

00:48:34.820 coming right you're just exhausted and so in that moment where i'm like i just can't take anymore

00:48:39.880 the only thing that would soothe me

00:48:41.940 would be like to eat food right like oh

00:48:43.920 the brownies in the kitchen or the potato chips

00:48:46.020 like somehow eating food

00:48:47.840 to soothe my discomfort

00:48:49.620 I'm fat I get it why are you looking

00:48:51.400 well you do that Mike well you do too

00:48:53.760 you scumbag

00:48:54.360 no it's sick because you're right

00:48:56.400 I'm the healthiest person of all time

00:49:00.300 you drink old fashioned

00:49:01.320 last night dirty marketing you'll drink

00:49:03.540 whatever I like drinking I don't want to die

00:49:05.840 but I don't want to stop drinking

00:49:06.880 it's a known fact

00:49:07.500 it's real so then you watch the argument so then like evening brian shows up right and he's like

00:49:16.180 look we've had a tough day how long ago is this by the way just set me in time like 10 years ago

00:49:22.300 oh so you've made some real fucking progress from brownie brian oh yeah i mean he was he was like

00:49:27.000 he was like he was like you know 40 pounds overweight like for uh 50 pounds heavier than

00:49:33.200 am now depressed as fuck like desperately wanted to commit suicide okay this is really important

00:49:40.220 right now that you're rooting this story and this current approach in that person because i want

00:49:46.580 there's a million things i want to bring up on this episode i know we only have so much time and

00:49:49.520 many people trying to speak but that brian represents a lot of people in the country and

00:49:56.860 in the world right now a lot of people that are struggling with debt with problems with their

00:50:00.760 spouses with children with chemical and imbalances and mental illnesses and even more so some another

00:50:09.360 topic i want to talk about lack of discipline that is such a major part of everything we're

00:50:16.480 talking about that comes very easily to you now and it has always come very easily to you

00:50:20.300 i am a representation of people that does not come very easily to discipline for me is very

00:50:25.860 very difficult i am at the whim of my addiction and my and my desires right so so i'm i appreciate

00:50:33.280 that you brought that up for all the people watching this so and you you're proving before

00:50:36.920 we even get that far into this episode that you were able to take it from that place where you

00:50:41.760 are now in not that long of a period of time i'm sure you've been here for a number of years already

00:50:46.620 right how long have you been in this vampire vampire state for four years yeah so in five to

00:50:52.440 six years with discipline and and and proper planning someone could pull themselves out of

00:50:57.320 that depressed state into a place where you are very healthy to become the healthiest person on

00:51:02.200 planet earth amazing amazing yeah so like so a few things on this one is that um so when evening

00:51:08.680 brian shows up he is so sorry was that indian brian evening brian another character okay sorry

00:51:18.480 so he's he is incredibly effective at manipulation right so evening brian will say look just tonight

00:51:26.700 yeah tomorrow working out really hard or be like just one or like hey look tough day like his

00:51:34.260 arguments are so compelling and it's like okay right we'll just do it but we know that it never

00:51:39.520 ends there right it's always this perpetual always and so i was desperate i tried to stop my own

00:51:45.440 like self-destructive habits for years and so one day i was just desperate i was like i wanted to

00:51:50.500 commit suicide i was so depressed and i said like even brian you're fired like you're just

00:51:56.340 fucking fired you make my life miserable like you show up every night you tell me to do these things

00:52:03.180 i do them and i feel awful i can't sleep i wake up in the morning i'm like i'm grumpy and then my

00:52:10.140 willpower is low you're just fucking fired so i made a rule i said i brian cannot eat food from

00:52:16.300 5 p.m to 10 p.m under any circumstances no fucking excuses never ever if it was like between life

00:52:22.680 and death still no you can't like no food in that window of time because that was like my

00:52:27.660 my window of vulnerability like when he strikes yeah i can relate it's incredible i mean dude like

00:52:34.380 he said it like we we we used to do a ritual midnight ritual yeah exactly the boys in the

00:52:41.080 house gather around the kitchen table mike would make his little cinnamon toast crunch yeah like

00:52:46.820 peanut butter bread for us oh man it's so good though brian i know it's so good though brian

00:52:50.820 and and and and this i guess is where i'd like to go next um in your netflix documentary

00:52:55.860 i i heard one woman on the view i think it was the view describe your lifestyle is vapid yeah i

00:53:02.380 looked up i said vapid i like words i looked it up essentially it was bland yeah and and and

00:53:07.020 generally i i do i do feel like that is where i would struggle with some of this um i don't want

00:53:15.920 to die i don't know if i want to stop drinking a little alcohol here and there you know it could

00:53:21.920 because i i think i fear the bland lifestyle more than i fear death and i think a lot of people

00:53:28.300 agree with that yeah yeah so if you like this is an exercise of introspection of trying to find out

00:53:40.820 where we all might be npcs and so in this moment like we're expressing a viewpoint of reality to

00:53:49.620 say i have this temporary sensation of pleasure by doing this thing after that thing i regret it

00:53:58.300 right some sometimes sometimes sometimes yeah some degree yeah absolutely yeah so like it's

00:54:03.520 just like part of our social cultural thing but basically what we're saying is um behind all this

00:54:08.780 we say we're all gonna die anyways yep therefore we might as well right like that's no no so that's

00:54:18.200 like that that's where i'm some people he's right for some for some people he's certainly right i

00:54:22.000 mean yeah I guess for me it's not even like I'm not even there I'm just like sometimes I try to

00:54:28.740 just be present and there's value in that and sometimes in the present moment I'm at a social

00:54:34.480 event that I don't want to fucking talk to anyone so maybe a little espresso martini loosens me up

00:54:39.660 a little bit and I'm capable of being social you mentioned it you know it yeah it's it's it is a

00:54:43.700 social behavior and I've heard you talk about alcohol being kind of ingrained in our culture

00:54:47.740 but dude it's not just our culture alcohol is a is a is like almost goes hand in hand with humanity

00:54:53.040 yeah it's it's it's a it's a part of our species yeah it's we've always drank alcohol and and some

00:54:58.080 people like me especially use it as as as a social tool yeah and i i guess just like it's so bad for

00:55:05.960 you i know it's bad no no no i think the evidence is coming out more now than ever it's like once

00:55:11.700 again sorry to bring up your mortal enemy huberman but i'm just creating this fucking

00:55:15.340 i was listening to huberman recently and he was talking about that that even one because you know

00:55:22.740 you always talk about like one drink it's just one drink you know and if you hold yourself to

00:55:26.760 that to be completely honest with you you're probably fine but even one drink has such an

00:55:32.000 effect on your cortisol uh release something that speeds the heart rate right and so you if you have

00:55:39.560 a drink two drinks and you measure your heartbeat afterwards you're going to notice a pretty serious

00:55:44.280 effect on your heartbeat and your heart rate by the way this is current day logan saying this

00:55:49.260 i'm positive that when i'm mature and i start to realize oh oopsies dog you're pushing 40

00:55:55.800 yeah basically like when are you gonna mature no i know yeah no uh i i will i will stop drinking

00:56:02.440 alcohol i'm positive there will be a point where i stop yeah but right now i'm speaking for the

00:56:06.580 people who don't want to do all that yeah so like if i guess in short um let's map out to 2030 2035

00:56:13.600 2040 when you do things like when you drink alcohol or when you you know gorge uh binge eat

00:56:20.560 at night yeah there's a calculation of how much you're actually dying damn right you could actually

00:56:26.900 look at the actual molecular interactions your body and you could assign a die score right it

00:56:32.120 lessens sleep it increases it causes damage in the body so there's actually a quantitative

00:56:36.900 of your pain with life points right now we say well i feel good or i'm just having a little good

00:56:43.600 time or everyone's a while but whatever just replace words with math and say that you're

00:56:48.720 paying down life blank we know like smoking one cigarette one cigarette costs you 11 minutes of

00:56:53.620 life that's right and would you say it's about the same for vaping or is it somewhere in like

00:57:01.080 probably a little bit less but still costs you something i'm trying to apply it to the yeah

00:57:05.400 you can take yes like cigarettes are pretty well studied so it's a nice baseline to say

00:57:10.240 roughly speaking actually i read a paper last week that said one cigarette is 20 minutes of life

00:57:15.080 okay so if we say like okay there's a baseline of we can calculate death now you say okay for

00:57:20.900 a kid who eats a school lunch in america piece of pizza chocolate milk right whatever what is the

00:57:27.320 die score at the school lunch like with the schools feeding them so we say kids can't smoke

00:57:33.380 but we feed them dye right like the stuff they're eating and so like like red dye like in gatorade

00:57:40.360 i see you're going yeah so no i'm just saying because well prime doesn't have red dye yeah

00:57:45.680 exactly calories like one gram of sugar and so what we found is that the global food supply

00:57:50.560 is actually like horrifyingly dirty a contaminated yeah for sure like it is like you we know it's

00:57:59.340 bad but seeing the data was just absolutely terrifying okay and so i started testing all

00:58:04.720 these things i was like wait a second labels are not right food is toxic as fuck everyone's lying

00:58:10.120 right it is bad is it an fda problem well there's no one regulating it right so there's what should

00:58:15.620 be the fda i mean rfk i mean like whatever role they are not playing it's a bad situation so we

00:58:22.560 started sourcing all of our own foods doing all the testing so everything that comes to me is run

00:58:27.460 through this process of source test in my body because these contaminants make you die and so

00:58:35.240 that's why i think we're successful in like being best in world because nobody does this nobody does

00:58:40.600 full stack testing no one does full stack sourcing and then also all the therapies on top so that's

00:58:45.660 like when we talk about like how do you do it at a molecular level that's what we're trying to do

00:58:50.020 what are you willing to drink besides water water yeah so like that water we got from my tap that

00:58:57.140 yeah i was drinking i was drinking water yeah so like every so the air in this house you'll have

00:59:01.680 that yeah like the air is perfect so we have we have purifiers in every room there you go breathe

00:59:06.520 it in wow that's good air there you go it is nice yeah but every room is monitored every room has

00:59:11.700 two or three air filters uh but it's it's measured at 24 7 and the water same so it's tested by i

00:59:17.900 think it's over 100 different levels we assess so we try to make this environment as optimal as

00:59:24.640 possible at every single metric. Oh, we've got a readout right here. Oh yeah. Let's see what it

00:59:28.860 is. What's the, how much nitrogen is in the, in the air right now? The one you want to look at

00:59:33.140 is a PM 2.5. That's like one of the parts per million. Yeah. It's a particulate matter size.

00:59:38.520 Yep. Matter size. And what is that egg exactly? So this is an air filter measures for nine

00:59:43.500 different things in air. You want to take a peek at it? Yes. So like, for example, the WHO,

00:59:48.820 the world health organization says a level of five of PM 2.5 is safe. So we're hovering around

00:59:54.400 three right now which ultra safe by that point it's like basically zero it the accuracy is like

00:59:59.420 a few points so it's probably zero why do you live in los angeles maybe air is not the main

01:00:04.840 priority to you but where the air quality is pretty freaking low yeah it's bad yeah that's

01:00:08.800 why we maintain such pristine air like why i'm in california is like a different question okay

01:00:13.280 yeah yeah but yeah we we deal with it okay you brought me the egg the parts the particular

01:00:19.900 matter egg i look around i see this army of associates confidants consigliaries uh you know

01:00:28.740 people that you work alongside and now i want to revisit this question about you going from

01:00:34.680 depressed uh evening brian in five in six years to where you are now and ask you this question

01:00:41.200 are you a uh isolated experiment because of your access to wealth because maybe gary and tuscaloosa

01:00:52.860 can't do this because you don't have that 300 m's sitting in his fucking chase account to buy

01:00:58.200 particular matter eggs yeah yeah so yeah we should probably get to like really practical advice right

01:01:04.560 now because people are like look man just tell me what to do we're scaring people off yeah let's

01:01:08.620 just like let's go tell me what to do okay so let me finish the sleep thing then we'll talk about

01:01:12.400 this but like we're starting with sleep to say most powerful things first sleep most powerful

01:01:18.160 okay so you're a professional sleeper you're eating two hours before bedtime you're moving back

01:01:22.960 you have a wind down routine now the reason you have a wind down routine you're trying to drive

01:01:27.040 down your heart rate if you if you put your head on the pillow and you're still upset right you're

01:01:31.840 rolling through your thoughts and you can't go to sleep then you wake up you're rolling through

01:01:36.300 your thoughts how how late are you putting down this horrible device exactly earlier are you

01:01:41.340 picking it up like an hour 30 minutes to an hour put it down like screens off it's like read a book

01:01:46.080 breath work meditate hang out with a friend chill but you need to like calm your body down like do

01:01:52.100 the thing so it's showing that like a reading a book or meditating is as good as a sleep med

01:01:58.200 they're very powerful so like you wouldn't say like what go watch squid games right really yeah

01:02:04.160 I mean, you're getting, you're getting like photons in your, in your eyeballs, probably

01:02:07.840 blue light, blue light.

01:02:09.180 So like you can test it.

01:02:10.460 Like these, when I watch TV before I go to bed, I sleep worse.

01:02:13.820 Now you can test it.

01:02:14.540 See, maybe you're different than I am, but like you just want to calm down.

01:02:18.800 So that's three.

01:02:19.580 Number four is light.

01:02:20.620 So eliminate blues.

01:02:21.980 Like we know that blue lights are bad.

01:02:23.300 So have amber and red, that little lamp right here we use somewhere.

01:02:27.200 We turn that on and we have red light in the house.

01:02:29.480 And then five is you want to be consistent.

01:02:31.880 so the body loves routine the body's clock is so accurate so 8 30 p.m is when i was going to bed

01:02:38.520 when i was getting my 100 sleep score i was in bed within one minute like that precise and it was

01:02:44.520 like i almost felt like a baby where babies just like lay down and they're just out like and they're

01:02:49.900 so deep my body was able to generate the systems it just put me out so i'd be asleep within two to

01:02:56.600 three minutes i am now anyways but two to three minutes oh yeah yeah guaranteed i'm i'm the same

01:03:01.820 to is the second my head hit spill do you do you dream yeah damn do you dream sometimes i don't i

01:03:09.540 haven't had a dream i think that's just a representation of how bad my sleep is probably

01:03:12.900 yeah do you have a measure do you know no but i should get one i fear measurements because i know

01:03:16.840 how how badly yeah so you actually it's a it's a valid concern it's a nina's the same way i'm i'm

01:03:23.660 working on he's he's way ahead of me i'm working on some stuff as i mentioned you before i'm just

01:03:28.700 taking a little bit longer okay so the quick summary is um yep you you want so here's what

01:03:34.360 you want for sleep when you put your head on the pillow asleep within two or three minutes

01:03:37.520 you want two hours of rim two hours of deep two plus two plus of rim two plus a deep you want to

01:03:42.440 be up for less than 30 minutes a night uh and if you hit those stats like you're banging it out

01:03:48.240 that's like early 20s how about this because i know you know about this what if you gotta go pee

01:03:51.800 yeah i'm a guy who gotta pee how many times dude sometimes twice a night okay so try two things one

01:03:57.200 is move your fluid intake back yeah that always that always yeah that always helps yep and then

01:04:02.580 two is try to mineralize your water so like uh if you have electrolytes or a tea so that does help

01:04:09.360 if you drink pure water sometimes it can increase urination so push it back and mineralize your

01:04:13.700 water amazing so you should really like one should be max okay if it's more than one then you

01:04:19.800 definitely it's too much interruption can i ask you about the hyperbaric chamber yeah do you have

01:04:24.600 one yeah we should go look at it's in the garage there is it a hard tank and are you often using

01:04:30.500 that yeah we just so hyperbaric's been one thing for us where the evidence is interesting but we

01:04:35.560 wanted to put it to the test so we just implemented a protocol where i measured 50 different biomarkers

01:04:40.660 i did a i'm completing it next week 40 sessions so the protocol is two atmospheres on 90 minute

01:04:47.780 sessions so 100 oxygen for 20 minutes off for five minutes and so i'll be done next week and then

01:04:53.760 we're measuring 50 different things oh i'm so eager to see you know it it increased by maximum

01:04:59.360 heart rate by 20 which is good yes like so your maximum oh oh my god 20 oh my god exactly it's

01:05:07.360 insane so so in my like wellness um studies i i found that the hyperbaric is is like one of the

01:05:13.580 top i'd put in the top three most important things in terms of like recovery sleep energy even uh

01:05:21.440 in training camps hyperbaric chamber three times a week yep i i'm i haven't seen the data yet we're

01:05:27.240 gonna see the data in like a few weeks we measure next week i subjectively am with you like i'm

01:05:32.580 surprised at how effective it's been i'm surprised it's taken this long for you to like do you do

01:05:40.460 that hyperbaric's been around for a minute the evidence is not very clear really i feel like he

01:05:45.640 waits for like very strong data like sleep diet and and exercise have been proven so many times

01:05:50.820 yeah okay yeah it's like we have to show we have to it has meaningful effect because i when you

01:05:56.580 become optimized it is so hard for me to move the needle for myself now like these therapies yeah

01:06:01.780 for sure and so yeah but then wouldn't it be since you've already taken advantage of all the major

01:06:06.780 swings wouldn't it only be these therapies that are left exactly so that's why we're like we're

01:06:11.000 trying to do it in a rigorous way but even like whole body skin rejuvenation like even a lot of

01:06:15.320 females i mean all people want nice skin like prp i know so like uh hbot um regenerates collagen

01:06:22.680 elastin fibers it does full body it's actually one of the best skin care therapies anybody can

01:06:29.560 do people think of creams or laser treatments hbot is one of the most powerful skin therapies

01:06:35.100 anybody can do you say you say hbot hyperbaric oh really oh really yeah yeah i was gonna at some

01:06:42.540 point i'm going i was going to ask you about your moisturizer routine because you're you have very

01:06:46.240 shiny nice skin uh but i but if you want to go with the chamber for now okay let's let's move

01:06:51.160 on to diet which obviously in this here country is a major problem yeah that we're currently

01:06:56.560 talking about a lot because of this new administration that's coming in no more

01:06:59.220 fruit loops um run us through your your your points yeah okay see how do i let me think about

01:07:06.060 this you okay want to hop in the h-pot i just gotta stop eating 20 cheeseburgers of weight

01:07:13.600 would you though you're opening up a burger shop i know but now i'm thinking about doing maybe

01:07:17.640 burgers made of um like pine cones no you shouldn't you shouldn't because i would still

01:07:22.060 eat your burger bro it's a 10 out of 10 i know but when i sit with him i won't i've been thinking

01:07:27.640 about the idea of maybe living as opposed to just continuously but but okay all right so how much

01:07:33.540 will mike mike's burger take off your life what's what's the what's the 10 10 burger don't die

01:07:37.800 score i'll give you really quick if it's like if it's like a couple days like i'm eating that

01:07:40.960 fucking burger okay so it's two obviously all beef patties uh i won't give you the specific

01:07:45.940 fat content two slices of american yellow american cheese uh martin's potato bond secret sauce about

01:07:51.860 three pickles and caramelized onions halfway caramelized and then of course you probably

01:07:56.900 get the curly fries with them as well we could probably skip those right we could skip the

01:08:00.560 curly fries what are we talking yeah if you look at a few of the studies and do back of the envelope

01:08:06.620 math a a fast food mill burger fries drink is roughly the same as one cigarette 20 minutes

01:08:13.020 fine fine and it's not fast food it's moderate so even less than that and i bet you and i bet

01:08:19.740 you if you pull those those fried those curly fries off it i bet you it's like a couple minutes

01:08:23.820 i bet you i bet you it's about 10 we're chilling the meat and chilling do you well we're getting

01:08:27.820 into diet yeah so like if we that's like top level but now so the recent uh there was a guy

01:08:33.280 nat friedman uh did this work on plastics list he looked at uh plastic you know type stuff

01:08:39.760 phthalates and stuff in foods one of the highest levels of microplastics in foods was grass-fed

01:08:46.760 beef from whole foods why why so it's a good question okay yeah and so there's theories on

01:08:54.220 like how they actually harvest meat what they do with it but we have to when you calculate what is

01:08:59.840 in food and what the die score is you have to consider the microtoxin the heavy metals the

01:09:04.960 microplastics all the other contaminants so it's not just food is a category of beef cheese bun

01:09:11.860 pickles it's like what are the layers of stuff in there and where the contaminants hide so what

01:09:17.500 materials is it cooked on what oils are used to cook so once you start so our knowledge is just

01:09:22.740 starting to emerge got it yeah so i'm saying like so logan on this it's funny because i hear you

01:09:29.500 what you're saying you're like i'll make the trade-off and so here's the thing as a species

01:09:35.020 we have this very loose relationship with life we're willing to pay we're willing to basically

01:09:43.440 spend our life for these pleasures yeah and what i'm saying right now and this conversation is

01:09:50.720 as a species we're gonna we're gonna move beyond that like that in a couple like in 10 years it

01:09:58.920 will be seen as absolutely insane that humans used to do things that actually lessened their

01:10:05.420 life and increased disease here is the forever caveat to that okay and something i'm sure you

01:10:11.620 wrestle with and your haters will bring up life is not guaranteed regardless of whether or not i

01:10:19.480 eat that hamburger tragedy it could be after this podcast and i step outside the house get hit by a

01:10:26.960 car so the idea of subscribing to a lifestyle that is more bland not knowing what's going to happen

01:10:33.920 with my life because you know man like like it's just tomorrow's not guaranteed yeah but he he works

01:10:40.920 in data and probability not not like you step like bro there's not even any cars outside the

01:10:47.560 door he's got a big front yard i know so you're not gonna step out the front door and get hit by

01:10:51.160 car unless some errant driver who's been drinking all day down at the lucky beaver but you crosses

01:10:55.880 across his lawn and hits you with a prius i don't see it happening so that's why i'm so intrigued

01:11:01.360 by his current conversation you got to work off probabilities bro do you though because everyone

01:11:06.780 thinks it's not going to happen to them until the coyote in your neighborhood does hop your fence

01:11:10.880 and kills your dog yeah but that yeah but you're happened yeah i never really happened to me yeah

01:11:15.660 so what do you wish you had him eat more burgers like this is calling i i definitely would dude

01:11:19.760 if i knew that he he had a due date i would have maybe given him a little more filet mignon yeah

01:11:24.680 so okay so when when death is inevitable like it always has been we humans construct endless

01:11:35.000 arguments to justify it we like we say like yolo we say trade-offs we say

01:11:41.560 we just like we just like we have endless justifications this is like uh die logan who's

01:11:51.760 like you're good man like just do your thing like evening logan yeah she's like but it's what i'm

01:11:56.480 saying is you we have to acknowledge that die has been so built into us we can't see it i i i love

01:12:07.360 this perspective and you're and you're absolutely right it's like it's like kind of like ignorance

01:12:11.260 in a way but but if we are going to do this this probability exercise and we want to like relate

01:12:17.540 this to math have you considered or maybe you have the answer to like how many lives are cut short

01:12:25.420 and how many people live to the extent of their body's capability do you know the answer to that

01:12:30.760 question i don't that's that would be interesting tough data yeah no you know but no but brian i

01:12:37.060 really do think like because because my my like my biggest fear here is like not living life to

01:12:41.120 the fullest and then bro like i don't i don't want to i'm not even gonna say what what what

01:12:45.140 like kind of dark thoughts i fear or like the tragedy i fear because i'm not even willing to

01:12:49.060 like potentially utter those words into existence yeah but we could get but perhaps that if you're

01:12:54.700 if you if you told me 95 percent of people live to the extent of their body's capability

01:13:00.040 and five percent yeah of people like like dying early it's probably around there and you could

01:13:07.180 back the date out but i bet you that's not too far off i would be much more inclined to subscribe

01:13:11.560 to a longevity lifestyle if you told me that because you're dude you're absolutely right

01:13:15.480 you're i i i resonate with almost everything you say almost almost everything you say like

01:13:20.700 makes complete and i don't feel like much of it having sitting here and talking to you is like

01:13:26.120 controversial or like doubt not really the one thing you said that was controversial is that uh

01:13:31.180 the the god thing i and you've done this with religion before and you have an interesting

01:13:36.140 relationship with with really hold on a second in the mormon church you i want to hear about this

01:13:40.800 diet stuff i know but no but it's i i feel like even though you're like 99 right on a lot of stuff

01:13:52.240 and I think maybe 1% of the time

01:13:54.060 you'll say something that pisses off 99% of people.

01:13:56.700 Well, what did he say today?

01:13:58.300 Are you atheist now?

01:14:00.820 Agnostic?

01:14:01.520 I wouldn't even use a word.

01:14:03.260 What?

01:14:04.060 You're existing.

01:14:05.900 What?

01:14:06.720 My favorite quote is from Edward Murrow.

01:14:09.640 He was a World War II reporter.

01:14:10.880 He said,

01:14:12.440 those who are not confused

01:14:14.060 don't understand the situation.

01:14:19.200 Okay, I'm confused.

01:14:20.680 Those who are confused.

01:14:21.880 those who are not confused but if you take both the double negative out those who are confused

01:14:26.740 understand understand the right like what's like yeah we're on this planet yeah i agree we exist

01:14:32.720 we're kind of like what the universe where does space begin where does it end like what is going

01:14:39.580 on yeah yeah yes this is insane like no you're right a hundred percent so but then we take the

01:14:46.120 and we're like actually let me tell you what like how do we think we know anything about existence

01:14:52.440 like we can measure gravity sure like we can measure molecules sure but like these big

01:14:56.660 existential questions you don't even so you don't even bother like how could you even approach so

01:15:02.760 sorry so no sorry so that that stance is would be considered agnostic not not no no no yes it is

01:15:09.920 do you believe in a higher power i'm confused no he's not yes it is atheist means you are you're

01:15:19.020 saying you do not believe that there's a higher power agnostic means you don't have proof to

01:15:22.920 believe or not believe that there's a higher power he has an agnostic approach towards higher power

01:15:27.740 i thought agnostic you still kind of believe in something up there no it's you just don't believe

01:15:31.980 that there's proof to say that there is or isn't so you just continue living your existence yeah

01:15:36.040 I would say you're agnostic.

01:15:37.580 Yeah, I mean, so I don't use words

01:15:40.440 because I don't want to walk into-

01:15:42.200 A pigeonhole.

01:15:42.900 Them, right?

01:15:43.780 Like the words have been built around those concepts.

01:15:47.180 I'm trying to acknowledge the absolute greatest degree

01:15:51.000 of humility expressible by an intelligent being.

01:15:54.960 I have no, like humanity has never known what's going on.

01:15:57.760 Like every era, every generation brings new knowledge.

01:16:00.300 Like, oh, that's what's going on.

01:16:02.160 It just expands and expands.

01:16:03.480 Like we're always ignorant.

01:16:04.480 We just don't know to what degree.

01:16:05.300 see you see this is funny because it's bleeding into what we talked about in the last episode

01:16:09.300 he he is at the greatest probably the greatest level of wokeness in saying i just really don't

01:16:18.740 know i mean there's that i love the poem i don't know for sure i exist in a place that is one

01:16:24.660 degree either below or above that which is saying i can see both sides okay meaning i exist in a gray

01:16:31.240 area i i hear what you're saying i hear what you're saying i think i hear what i'm thinking

01:16:34.700 and then you've got this what is right now considered to be woke mentality which i believe

01:16:41.000 is the most asleep mentality which is there's right and wrong white and black and that's all

01:16:46.060 that exists in the world is a very simple answer to every situation which to me is the most

01:16:51.200 ridiculous belief set in life because there's just not this is a very complex lifestyle that

01:16:56.380 we lead yeah tell me more about diets okay cool so one other thing i'll tell the jump into diets

01:17:01.220 So like if you, what I'm trying to say is look back through history and see when people

01:17:06.980 have tried to solve the riddle of existence, right?

01:17:11.040 So Buddha was like, look, ego death, eightfold path, reincarnation cycle, liberate yourself

01:17:18.080 from the planes, right?

01:17:18.720 Like he's like, that's what we do.

01:17:20.860 Jesus was like, I'm the son of God.

01:17:24.740 Do this thing and you're going to have your life.

01:17:27.280 Muhammad is like, submit to God and had his old framework.

01:17:31.120 Marx was like, actually existence is class warfare.

01:17:34.460 American founding fathers were like,

01:17:36.140 actually it's a democratic process.

01:17:39.420 But people throughout history have tried to say like,

01:17:41.740 what is existence?

01:17:43.700 Nihilism.

01:17:44.240 What do you, yeah, like what do you do?

01:17:46.820 Like what is the plan?

01:17:48.180 And what I'm trying to say is like in this moment,

01:17:50.740 when we're giving birth to super intelligence of the species,

01:17:55.220 don't die solves the riddle of existence.

01:18:00.140 So when you say like, I might as well eat a burger,

01:18:04.100 you're manifesting an ideology, right?

01:18:07.120 You don't realize it,

01:18:08.320 but you're playing the script of an ideology.

01:18:11.440 And what I'm saying is don't die is a brand new construct

01:18:15.580 of how to understand reality.

01:18:17.800 And that is, it only makes sense

01:18:19.500 when you're giving birth to super intelligence.

01:18:21.880 No other time in history can you introduce don't die.

01:18:24.480 Like Christianity is don't die, right?

01:18:26.980 It's like, dude, obey these commandments, don't die.

01:18:30.140 Islam do this don't die right like have kids do this don't die so it don't die has like been

01:18:34.680 played forever so but this is like a brand new this is why it's so hard to get your head around

01:18:39.180 it it is it breaks every model of reality but it's but but enjoying a burger or sex before bed

01:18:45.800 or a crazy action movie or a big bet on the roulette table the idea of enjoying those things

01:18:52.940 is not a social construct it's a chemical reaction yeah that is that is as you know

01:18:59.400 uh organic and natural to our life and to our species as our species and our life in general

01:19:05.780 so so you're not asking us to to push back and reject a social construct you're asking us to

01:19:11.620 through discipline reject chemical pleasure not even that i'm i think i am happier

01:19:19.560 than almost anybody i think i have a more fulfilled life than anybody i think that

01:19:24.900 basically we got me be living like basically saying no to die is the greatest expression

01:19:33.200 of happiness so people they went into this conversation they assume i must be less than

01:19:39.020 happy than them because i don't cheat with pizza i don't cheat with burgers and fries

01:19:42.860 they assume i'm at a deficit yeah i would argue i am happier and more fulfilled and a like a

01:19:49.540 more fully expressed version of consciousness than them it is a legitimate better way to exist

01:19:55.680 okay so so i wanted to ask you this when you look at people who are not subscribed to longevity like

01:20:01.100 you are do you think they're less than i think they're playing the scripts of a former version

01:20:08.880 of homo sapiens are you calling me a caveman are you calling me a fucking caveman burger eating

01:20:14.620 no no but it's like surely it's a you got a little bit of like chump like he doesn't really

01:20:23.220 he doesn't really strike no but like like in the back of your mind you're like dude you think

01:20:27.240 they're so dumb they can't even help themselves are you offering like a don't die kit yeah yeah

01:20:32.720 i don't want to get into his i don't want to shill yet yeah i want to i want to get into the

01:20:35.740 shilling later but but no seriously he caught me eating a giant bacon burrito yeah like yeah okay

01:20:40.280 so when you see that you kind of give him like a side i like he didn't do that he just said

01:20:44.600 he just said a little bit though brian what'd i say you just said hey man that's not allowed in

01:20:49.960 this house it was very jovial he was smiling and he laughed it off and then i took a huge bite it

01:20:54.400 was all bacon it was like 40 pounds you add that burrito to that shit was crazy but a little bit

01:20:59.080 that was like 18 minutes of your life i hope you don't like your grandkids because i ain't gonna

01:21:02.720 be seeing them so i'm i'm saying um i have spent more time in my mind imagining being present in

01:21:13.700 the 25th century then like i exist in that world i love i love this art experiment i just do i just

01:21:20.600 like and i try to think like what does it feel like like what did they imagine what do they want

01:21:26.360 what is what does conscious existence mean a few hundred years in the future what does that feel

01:21:31.680 like and that's what i try to embody like as a person now like i may be totally wrong but i i see

01:21:38.060 like the way we exist is so primitive,

01:21:42.380 like chasing these short-term pleasures

01:21:44.840 to change our conscious existence,

01:21:48.740 to increase the chance that we have disease or death

01:21:51.580 is insane.

01:21:53.820 We can't see it because it's the norm.

01:21:56.780 And when you suggest, people are like, bro, chill,

01:21:59.320 or like, there's just so many arguments,

01:22:01.080 but it is absolutely the most primitive execution.

01:22:04.980 But it's understandable,

01:22:05.600 like when you're gonna die anyways,

01:22:07.300 might as well, like why?

01:22:08.060 wouldn't you do that? Of course. But when you're not going to die, when you're in a situation where

01:22:11.800 we don't know how far we can extend lifespans, it is a totally different calculation. It breaks

01:22:17.820 everything you understand about being human. This is super disruptive. Don't die is super

01:22:22.160 disruptive. If you do die, does that make you a bitch? That was your problem. So I have already

01:22:31.160 died. Brian Johnson is dead. What was it? What was Liver King's real name? Yeah, Brian Johnson.

01:22:37.740 i he's a he's i am a why why liver king's real name is brian wait so your name the same as

01:22:43.900 liver king and would look kind of like trevor wallace we're the same that's what you're telling

01:22:47.720 we're the same age the same name holy shit dude he also sat on this podcast and said brian johnson

01:22:54.240 died yeah did he really there we go yes and then he became liver king yeah this is crazy wait what

01:22:59.060 how many other brian johnson died that's what i'm saying are they bitches yeah probably i mean

01:23:03.740 maybe that's just like what if that brian johnson died and he became liver king and this brian

01:23:07.380 johnson was born like he's the reincarnation of the original liver king isn't it so good

01:23:12.740 so like i mean i like you know we know time compresses things right so like my existence

01:23:19.080 is don't die it doesn't matter what i do with my life at this point like over some duration of time

01:23:24.340 brian johnson doesn't matter to the world of intelligent existence don't die as a memetic

01:23:30.840 that will exist far beyond unless what do you consider your major win because in my eyes

01:23:39.260 man if you were at like 250 yeah looking like this just running around being brian johnson

01:23:47.620 the don't die guy i don't know doing podcast yeah it's gonna be pretty tough to hate on you

01:23:53.400 yeah i mean like so okay if we just like look at this at a um let's say what is the half-life

01:23:58.600 half-life is like how fast something dies

01:24:00.400 so the half-life

01:24:02.980 of an Instagram story

01:24:04.260 12 hours

01:24:05.680 half-life of caffeine

01:24:07.460 6 hours

01:24:09.080 so things have a decay curve

01:24:11.360 and then they don't exist

01:24:12.380 so if you just say

01:24:14.900 what is the half-life of a politician

01:24:18.160 even like the best politician

01:24:20.580 in America

01:24:22.080 whatever

01:24:22.960 what is the half-life of the notoriety

01:24:25.360 and what happens over time

01:24:26.920 things decay insanely fast which is why the third century we remember one thing right it just

01:24:32.700 reality compresses why do you actually haven't said what the thing is what is the thing okay and

01:24:38.040 so in the 1500s and 1519 that's the 15th century yeah magellan sailed around the world right so

01:24:44.520 what happened in the year in that century we understood this the shape of the earth or

01:24:49.860 something exactly yeah yeah so but do you have one for the third century do you always yeah why

01:24:54.420 no i i randomly chose it i mean i think it was i think if i'm not mistaken it was when

01:24:58.400 constantine did yeah it was like it was like the crusade christian yeah no no the crusades

01:25:03.660 what year what year was was uh anyways i'm yeah but you're at the point so i guess you're starting

01:25:09.120 to fill in just a little bit it's like don't know no way earlier way early so so right you

01:25:16.260 you mentioned that in your don't die dinners i was on the the signal thread with you or some

01:25:21.060 some some thread yeah and you mentioned that in in you don't die dinners it usually takes people

01:25:25.060 like 90 minutes before they're like two hours so two hours is the average time before like oh yeah

01:25:30.220 yeah so i'm that moment i'm gonna spoil this for you because i really because we're doing a dinner

01:25:34.420 after this yeah i'm gonna spoil this for you a little bit i've been doing these dinner for years

01:25:38.640 and so we do several thought experiments i've done hundreds the thought patterns people have

01:25:45.460 are the exact same identical which is so disappointing emotions ideas rebuttals like

01:25:51.080 so everything you said today you've already heard i've heard thousands of times i know i know so

01:25:55.480 this is like the thing of like we we exist like we think we're original we think we've come up

01:25:59.720 with clever concepts like we're just we're patterns we should if you're that focused on

01:26:04.460 like effective time spending you should have just gave us the food right now we could have done the

01:26:08.600 don't die dinner well we have the don't die dinner honestly i that's honestly what we should

01:26:12.080 have done in fact we could we could pivot there right now if you want because you go to go do

01:26:16.160 the don't die dinner how long have we been going well no no hold on a sec hold on let's okay let's

01:26:22.060 how long let's abbreviate some of this other stuff i need gary because gary's watching this

01:26:25.800 in tuscaloosa get me through the diet stuff and then and then and then through the exercise okay

01:26:31.040 i'm gonna let me do it quickly i'll just like very fast here's how you achieve the majority

01:26:35.400 of the benefits i've done okay so i'm best in world here's how you do it so make sleep your

01:26:40.820 number one life priority everything in your life is built around sleep because when you sleep well

01:26:46.980 you have more willpower so i did this study with my brain interface company kernel i measured my

01:26:52.680 willpower when i had poor sleep when i had good sleep my willpower fell off a cliff when i had

01:26:58.200 bad sleep so when you're 7 p.m you're like should i eat the donut or not you're substantially more

01:27:03.580 likely to eat the donut if you have poor sleep so sleep number one number two is exercise so if you

01:27:09.520 eat well, if you sleep well, you wake up, you're like, all right, I'm down to exercise.

01:27:13.840 Exercise increases your want to be healthy, right? So the rule for I have is it's an hour a day.

01:27:21.220 That's a lot for people. So just do 20 minutes. And I would suggest first thing in the morning,

01:27:26.080 because if you don't do it the first thing in the morning, as the day travels on, you're always too

01:27:30.540 busy, always too chaotic. So first thing, exercise. So choose something, yoga, Pilates, strength train,

01:27:37.400 cardio like what swim whatever 20 minutes of exercise every day with what with what core goal

01:27:43.040 uh for the workout sorry heart rate increase like what is your goal just being active

01:27:47.640 so like moving the body yeah so like my every day i do an hour i do strength cardio flexibility

01:27:52.540 and balance can i make a suggestion yes i i think i think no just just jump rope jump jump rope i

01:27:58.840 think if you if people are gonna do 20 minute workouts do and do a heavy jump rope because

01:28:03.380 if you do a heavy jump rope not only is it hard and tough on your lungs yeah cardio wise uh you'll

01:28:08.060 be working out your arms yeah and stabilizing your arms i do jump rope is my favorite fucking

01:28:13.120 and it kicks your ass like it kicks your ass it is so hard until you get good at it it is so hard

01:28:17.400 start every workout with the jump rope yeah you're shredded um okay so yeah exercise so don't make it

01:28:22.920 a big deal like you don't have to like have specific movements down you don't have to be an

01:28:27.420 expert just be active now of course like we can articulate more advanced versions like do this

01:28:32.440 thing and that thing but generally speaking be active right that one thing by the way for people

01:28:37.360 that want a secondary opinion on it from someone who maybe feels the way you do from day to day

01:28:41.600 it's the only thing that keeps me alive he knows this i get up i don't do a ton i i don't build

01:28:46.460 any muscle i don't do i sweat i do 30 minutes a day either on an elliptical on a bike whatever it

01:28:51.660 is it is the only reason i'm alive without it i would not be yes i promise you mentally what it

01:28:57.080 does for me mentally far outweighs what it does for me physically yeah great okay so once you

01:29:01.700 have sleep down once you have exercise and they are life habits you don't deviate they're not

01:29:06.860 fought for negotiation you build a life system because what you don't want to do don't rely

01:29:11.680 upon willpower never use willpower okay so when the your bad time comes between five and ten

01:29:18.780 just have a rule you don't eat it's not a question like can you resist or will you behave well it's

01:29:24.900 something you do you don't do it don't die you do it's like so none is always better than some

01:29:30.340 i like to equate discipline to two things because it's hard but not really it's action or lack

01:29:36.960 thereof yeah and like it's to me it's like a zero or one like i'm doing this i've subscribed to this

01:29:43.680 or i'm not brian it's much easier said than done though yeah and some people can like some people

01:29:48.480 have enough discipline where they can hang out in between of like i'll have a piece or a bite it's

01:29:52.600 rare but most people like once you have one it's just like fucking no that's me that's that's that's

01:29:58.380 why i need discipline one more thing for gary and tuscaloosa it gets easier with time yes so

01:30:03.540 you start day one it's hard day five is a little bit easier day 10 is a bit easier it's why you

01:30:09.000 have you know when you talk to people that are 10 years in recovery from alcohol or drugs they're

01:30:12.580 having a far easier time than people who are on day three so start it stick with it for a week

01:30:17.240 and i guarantee you week two will be easier than week one exactly well said so you have those two

01:30:21.820 have it's in place next uh is food now food's third because food is so complicated yeah right

01:30:27.720 like we have addictions we soothe it's so hard so just like be okay like babysit your way so with

01:30:34.760 my diet i've said every calorie has to fight for its life so every single molecule that goes into

01:30:40.960 my body has to be a superfood among superfoods and it's got to be tested for all contaminants

01:30:45.000 now that's where you want to be eventually we'll get there but in the meantime just have a general

01:30:50.400 rule more good stuff less bad stuff okay really basic right so you say we know what's good stuff

01:30:56.800 we kind of know right like vegetables are good berries nuts seeds if you want to have some meats

01:31:01.760 okay you you want to not do fast food you don't want to do junk food right just like put things

01:31:07.680 like big categories now don't get paralyzed to be like is greek yogurt a good one or bad one like

01:31:14.300 don't get into it right if it has if it's sweetened it has sugar don't do it do one sweetened

01:31:19.260 like you don't want to have sugar it's like bad ones sugar bad junk bad junk food like gatorade

01:31:25.360 fried food well because you know like 20 plus grams of sugar so like a 16 ounce game it's just

01:31:31.740 it's why it's so it is insane that a drink would have like 20 30 40 grams of sugar

01:31:39.400 like yeah like gatorade just for putting just an example exactly so yeah avoid those things and

01:31:45.060 then once you have those three things in place, then you can level up to the next, next go. But

01:31:50.060 like just get basic life systems. Don't overwhelm yourself. I don't take on too much, but build

01:31:57.480 these habits. And that's what I've done. And so like, I've made my protocol available to the

01:32:01.420 world for free. So you can see exactly what I do on every single thing. But like the key thing is

01:32:06.420 most people struggle to get started. So it's like, give them enough encouragement that you can do

01:32:11.220 this for sure sleep right and then you're gonna be like god damn i feel amazing yeah now i'm gonna

01:32:15.500 exercise and if i do that you have just you want to gain ground ever so slowly if you're depressed

01:32:20.980 i feel i feel you like i feel you so hard and like hearing this you're probably like no like

01:32:27.680 just try to master the basics one by one so just like absolutely it's okay if you have two bowls

01:32:34.360 of cereal instead of three you're doing a great job right just like ever so slowly walk your way

01:32:38.700 to this how can see i listen to him and we've we've had people on who i would never say this

01:32:44.060 about i listen to him and i see someone that i want to listen to no for sure it's all non-controversial

01:32:49.340 he hasn't not yet at least he hasn't shilled a single thing not even and not that if he did it

01:32:53.600 would be a bad thing but but the stuff that he's saying is so medically and and data driven to be

01:33:02.900 accepted right it's all real stuff which i i totally agree with i find the hate for you

01:33:07.660 hilarious i i think it i think it actually speaks to like the primitiveness of human nature like

01:33:12.840 andrew tating uh uh apologized to him it's one of the only times i've ever seen it that was

01:33:16.820 yeah it was one of the only times i've ever seen what you're doing is so disruptive people people

01:33:20.620 are just like inherently resistant to it which is i mean that's that's that's people man yeah it's

01:33:25.380 like but okay that for example doesn't get to you like you know you you say you go to sleep

01:33:31.020 trying to free your mind of all negative thoughts and keep your mind from running but the the

01:33:37.280 chatter online about you doesn't get to you i love it you love it genuinely love it damn what

01:33:44.220 a neutralization damn i mean it's almost like when it's absent i'm like wait where'd everyone go

01:33:49.640 you know like your heel yeah i mean like your heel and a baby face your tweener as we call it

01:33:55.480 it's all wrestling in the industry okay can we can we rapid fire through some peptides

01:34:00.980 okay so obviously the advent of peptides as we move towards ai it's another thing that people

01:34:06.100 we're talking about a lot right now, what can I be jamming into my body to kind of either reverse

01:34:11.040 aging, slow down aging, help my joints, help my sex drive, whatever it is, right? Hormone therapy,

01:34:17.820 testosterone. Subscribe, unsubscribe, where are you at with it? Yeah. First, sleep, exercise,

01:34:25.800 diet. Yes. Every single time. So people want to jump to what is your favorite supplement?

01:34:30.900 what do i do for blank blank like what pills no sleep exercise diet like master those so okay

01:34:40.000 so say we move to an intermediate slash semi-advanced level here to a low gain or

01:34:45.180 someone that's like kind of already worked through the the core competencies what are your

01:34:49.220 what are your feelings on some of these things i mean peptides are complicated because they're not

01:34:53.740 well studied so we they have a lot of complicated interactions inside the body so for us i've did

01:34:59.380 i did tb4 and um uh a bpc157 on my ankle when it sprained yep yeah i so um i did that for that

01:35:08.440 very specific application i also did a thymocin uh epitalon fastest ankle recovery in history

01:35:14.820 yeah i honestly uh yeah so how did you like the bbc the bbc is generally believed to be pretty

01:35:20.300 yeah so i had a uh high grade strain and a fracture i was dancing my foot dropped into a

01:35:26.100 hole like turned it yikes yeah i was back four weeks later i sent your video to my brother who

01:35:32.000 who severely sprained his ankle before fighting mike tyson so after the fight yeah oh it was the

01:35:37.560 first thing he said he's like bro i healed faster than you following your protocol i mean bro we're

01:35:42.800 on our shit yeah yeah our our facility in puerto rico is yeah that's who's telling me got all the

01:35:48.680 things and but i sent him i sent him your video was like you gotta beat this guy yeah well because

01:35:53.280 also he had no choice yeah he was fighting tyson like it's crazy 19 days yeah and and and healed

01:35:58.840 a i think it was a grade two border exactly grade three tear as far as i'm aware it's the best

01:36:04.120 healing protocol in the world no when we did this i looked out like who's got the best healing

01:36:07.600 protocol bits and pieces but nobody had done the stacked version we did yeah i think it's legit the

01:36:12.120 best in the world so it was bpc and what was the other uh peptide uh uh tv4 was for the ankle and

01:36:19.200 then along with probably some sort of like yeah the ankles so if you're injured um one take it

01:36:26.020 seriously don't just walk it off you measure it so get an mri or get ultrasound or or an x-ray

01:36:32.520 like depending on the severity um then we do seven therapies so six let me give me count um first is

01:36:39.400 focused shockwave therapy pence no different a different yeah so this is acoustic waves okay

01:36:46.640 yeah i have one upstairs okay so uh it's it accelerates healing we're doing it right now

01:36:51.680 for my whole body but when you have an injury focus shock with therapy can kind of can inherit

01:36:56.060 accelerate the healing process two was peptides three we did pr prp yep great nice yep four we

01:37:02.680 did a magnetic uh emg it's a magnetic uh technology i forget now is this pimp no we

01:37:10.660 actually don't do pimp jake says pimp is one of the biggest yeah he he's gotten injured more but

01:37:15.940 He lives and dies by the pimp machine.

01:37:17.720 So I know I've heard this.

01:37:18.980 I think we touched on that a little bit in our team.

01:37:21.700 I think the evidence is emergent.

01:37:23.020 It's not clear.

01:37:24.420 It hangs out in that.

01:37:26.220 I know it's popular in the sports world.

01:37:27.940 I've heard many people talk about it.

01:37:29.620 I don't think from our perspective the evidence is across the threshold,

01:37:32.300 but we do want to play with it and measure it.

01:37:35.000 Yeah, so then this magnetic thing, then light therapy,

01:37:37.680 using red light to accelerate healing.

01:37:38.960 Infrared?

01:37:39.780 Yep.

01:37:40.280 So I guess that was, what, six?

01:37:42.020 It's probably five.

01:37:42.980 Yeah, so that stacked protocol.

01:37:44.960 good then the peptides okay okay so ibuprofen i don't think we did it all right move moving

01:37:52.060 moving quickly because i said rapid fire uh so that's that's your peptide all your experience

01:37:56.140 there any have you ever heard of pt-141 the sex peptide so this is a it's been around but it's

01:38:02.100 starting to get a little bit more popular now as we move into this world of uh better sexual health

01:38:08.120 obviously you've seen all of these these uh digital wellness companies but putting sildenafil

01:38:13.380 world right and people are using it maybe they should be shouldn't be in certain circumstances

01:38:17.600 pt-141 is a is a sex peptide that works on the brain of men and women to increase dopamine

01:38:23.580 response so i think peptides are very interesting and very cool and i think there's a lot more

01:38:28.860 studies to do one last question in that world semaglutides and uh ozempic where do you see

01:38:35.620 this whole thing going is it a good thing is it a bad thing is it studied unstudied where are you

01:38:39.280 on it yeah so on the i one other peptide i take is cerebrolysin sounds brain weird yeah exactly so

01:38:46.160 it's um it's from pig brain and it's meant for people take it for tbi and alzheimer's and

01:38:51.900 parkinson's oh shit so we've been playing with that that the problem with peptides i would just

01:38:54.960 say this if you're going to do something measure you always want to measure and so if the problem

01:39:01.020 with peptides is like you do it how do you measure it we have the same problem with cerebrolysin like

01:39:05.300 how do we measure it we're doing mris of the brain so that's what we come back to every time

01:39:08.580 is like if you hang out in like opinion land you're always in dangerous territory if you can

01:39:13.400 measure something you're much better i guess the brain's the brain's tough no the brain's a tough

01:39:17.000 one for sure yeah yeah mri gives you good data but like generally speaking you look at what data

01:39:21.980 does an mri give you oh amazing mri is the best blood flow and yeah so i'm i'm the most measured

01:39:31.100 mri person in the world i've spent over 100 hours in mri over the past four years do you have

01:39:34.780 How many MRIs have you gotten?

01:39:36.860 Probably like 50, 60, something like that.

01:39:39.460 Bro, I'm probably right under you.

01:39:42.420 Really?

01:39:42.920 Dude, I have riddled with injury.

01:39:45.080 Oh, no.

01:39:45.920 What?

01:39:46.860 I mean, from?

01:39:47.800 Everything.

01:39:49.000 I mean, actually, most of them are kind of like freak accidents.

01:39:52.300 That makes me very worried.

01:39:53.380 Tell me what happened.

01:39:55.200 What do you want to start?

01:39:56.200 I lost 15% of my testicle.

01:39:57.700 I got a metal plate the size of a quarter in my head.

01:40:00.420 I have a 40 millimeter screw in my right hand.

01:40:04.060 both knee surgeries uh our knee surgery on both knees before the age of 18 wow and keep in mind

01:40:10.860 his is only a percentile of mine i'm worse yeah man we're fucked up we're bad in splenectomies

01:40:17.200 broken femur shattered ankle brain comb like uh concussions left and right yeah we're fucked up

01:40:24.180 dude yeah concussions that makes me very worried well why why are you worried i'm good now i'm

01:40:29.660 being preventative i know you now so i'm all right eight spot yeah so we should actually after we do

01:40:35.480 this we should go upstairs i'll do the um the focal shockwave therapy on you oh shit it will

01:40:41.380 find your injury like we'll just go really we'll go over an area i'm i'm solid now and i say that

01:40:47.240 like i'm so grateful that i'm i'm solid i'm not i stay solid what's going on michael well just my

01:40:52.820 ankle oh yeah his ankle's all i mean this guy might as well cut his leg off yeah i'm at that

01:40:56.940 stage i need fusion wow i'm fully arthritic 100 yeah end stage let's let's let's do it yeah you'll

01:41:02.580 see we'll just roll it around but i'm good but again i'm good now so what would it what would

01:41:06.440 have showed me yeah so but you're good by what measure i feel okay yeah so yeah so i have a

01:41:13.300 little lower back thing going on oh yeah a little bit yeah something that you should shock with so

01:41:17.960 we we have we should get an mri logan of your whole body i have recently okay and did you

01:41:22.700 quantify it like how your joints you know i think so you did you look at it you did a full scan yeah

01:41:28.780 brain volumes you looked at all the spine and stuff yeah and how is everything good no tumors

01:41:33.620 no do you how do you how do you feel about a full scan as preventative yeah i do it every year it's

01:41:39.880 got you oh you have to be preventative yeah that's that's one thing i've certainly learned

01:41:44.100 with injuries i've failed is like to be reactionary on your body is the worst thing ever

01:41:50.000 so yes so to be to be preventative and assume these things are going to happen and then do what

01:41:55.840 you can to prevent them by strengthening certain parts of your body especially the compromised

01:41:59.660 parts not everyone's an athlete but like i have bad knees so i'm gonna train strain my legs often

01:42:05.200 and where do you where do you uh scan uh we have multiple facilities yeah you do you do i know we

01:42:12.800 go to multiple we we um we came up with all these unique protocols like so we want to measure like

01:42:19.800 certain MRI scans to like standard stuff and we wanted to do more than standard stuff. We wanted

01:42:24.320 to isolate certain organs or certain processes. So we had to build our own protocols and we'd go

01:42:29.320 to MRI facilities and be like, can you do this? I'm like, sorry, no. So we've built the world's

01:42:33.620 best protocol to scan all joints, all systems, all organs. Well, I would love to go. I'll set

01:42:39.640 you up. That'd be awesome. Yeah, it does. I do want to get out of here because I know you got

01:42:43.500 like a 6 p.m. cut like cut off before you can stop eating and we're supposed to do one of your

01:42:46.620 dinners. I just have one more question and I got to get a sound bite. Why did you take your son's

01:42:50.860 blood and put it in your body? I mean, my son is here. Talmadge. You want to come say hi?

01:42:54.920 Talmadge. Talmadge. Talmadge. Talmadge is amazing. I'm going to give a quick spoiler. In the

01:43:01.720 documentary, he was going off to college. You guys dropped him off at the dorm room.

01:43:05.180 Saw him when I walked in. First thing I asked him, I said, how are you liking college? Gap year.

01:43:10.800 Yeah. That didn't last very long. Didn't last very long. Short lives. Yeah. If you wouldn't

01:43:15.760 mind uh however best you can talmage when when you speak just try to talk into the mic so yeah

01:43:22.500 not in college gave your gave your dad your blood yeah yeah he's blinked twice if he tricked you

01:43:28.340 into doing it yeah i would i would yeah well so he was um talking with his dad and his dad was

01:43:37.020 experiencing cognitive decline and so he offered to do this plasma exchange with my grandfather

01:43:42.780 and then they were doing this for medical reasons and then he asked me if i wanted to do it and i

01:43:48.400 said yes immediately so we did the world's first tri-generational plasma exchange and now i have

01:43:53.560 the title blood boy i have to say that that moment on in the netflix doc was like beautiful guys

01:44:01.580 was beautiful i wasn't sure what to make of the doc and i told you this yesterday brian yeah i was

01:44:05.660 like unsure how they were gonna i was 20 minutes in i was like how are they gonna make this as

01:44:09.180 whole and it's it's you guys you guys are the story yeah and that moment between the the three

01:44:12.800 generations exchanging blood from young to old correct was like you gave blood to your dad and

01:44:20.940 you gave blood to your dad was a really beautiful moment especially considering the backstory with

01:44:25.340 the church and and the yeah the fallout at one it's a good doc it's a good doc guys how are people

01:44:32.980 responding to you in in the doc like you're you're like you're have a prominent role in a pretty

01:44:38.420 significant netflix documentary like you're essentially famous now are people reacting to

01:44:44.920 you on the streets yeah i think the the biggest thing that i found is that there are so many

01:44:50.660 people who are my age who want to be healthy and they feel like they aren't justified in doing it

01:44:56.240 or they feel ostracized if they do it so it's almost as if me doing it and the relationship

01:45:01.840 i have with my dad people are vicariously living through me to experience social validation for

01:45:09.040 being healthy so i'm hoping that it some in a way gives people permission that yes you can

01:45:15.760 prioritize sleep no you don't have to go out and drink or party to have friends so hopefully that's

01:45:23.840 sparking some level of change cool his generation is gonna is doing it how old how old are you 19

01:45:30.100 they're they're they're extremely sober curious they're they're focused on their health i think

01:45:35.280 this is going to be the generation where you start to see an increase in in response to that

01:45:38.720 type of health would you say your gang is neurotypical or not i try to i try to i realize

01:45:50.500 that i'm also an npc like everyone else and we imitate those around us so i try to have some

01:45:58.760 self-awareness about how i act but at the same time i live in a world where we prioritize health

01:46:07.420 and so it's so normal to me so i've seen him as a father and he's so normal to me but when i rub

01:46:13.940 up my perception against the world's perception i'm like oh he's he's crazy to people yeah i don't

01:46:19.760 i don't see it because i'm in it and so it's like a a common pattern that whatever group you're in

01:46:24.880 whatever social norms you do you can't see the craziness of it so i try to step outside of it

01:46:31.300 damn it this kid's smart elevated you're ahead of your years young man yeah good for you

01:46:37.360 amazing brian you should be proud dude i am so proud of him yeah man we just gotta get the other

01:46:42.120 two on board what the fuck guys honestly what the hell are you guys doing i don't i don't know them

01:46:47.520 dude but i watched this doc and i'm like man to have a severed family because of a church

01:46:55.560 oh my god it makes me sad man it makes me sad especially because like i like mike said i don't

01:47:02.260 think anything you're saying is like like like too controversial you're making a lot of sense dude

01:47:06.380 you're making a lot of sense and you're actually doing something i think that is extremely noble

01:47:10.440 for our species because if we can take even a fraction of the things you are doing and the

01:47:16.020 the learnings that we're going to find out because of you and extend our

01:47:20.160 life by, by what? 10 minutes, six months, a year.

01:47:23.420 Any of those answers makes it worth it. Kind of, unless, you know,

01:47:26.840 you want to have a 10, 10 burger, but let's, let's go,

01:47:30.440 let's go do your don't die dinner. Yeah. This has been great.

01:47:33.640 I was very excited for this podcast. It definitely delivered.

01:47:37.840 Let's continue to chop it up. Brian Johnson, Talmadge.

01:47:42.060 Thank you guys for joining us.

01:47:43.260 Can I leave you guys with one thing? Sure. All right.

01:47:45.780 So I hope for those of you at home,

01:47:48.280 I hope we delivered on some practical stuff.

01:47:50.860 Here's like the backdrop.

01:47:52.020 I would invite you to contemplate

01:47:52.980 this entire conversation.

01:47:54.660 So again, travel back in time

01:47:56.120 and you're hanging out with Homo erectus

01:47:57.620 a million years ago, right?

01:47:59.220 You're like, Homo erectus,

01:48:00.480 tell us about the reasons why you want to exist.

01:48:03.220 Like, what are you looking forward to?

01:48:05.260 They would not have an answer for it.

01:48:07.420 They'd be like, I don't, what do you mean?

01:48:08.840 I'm just surviving.

01:48:09.900 All right, we're gonna like find more berries.

01:48:11.620 Yeah.

01:48:12.040 We're gonna forage more, hunt more, go to war more.

01:48:14.040 i mean their answer would would kind of ironically be like i don't want to die yeah exactly so like

01:48:20.060 they they wouldn't know like what they wouldn't know the reality we exist in right now but they

01:48:27.240 wouldn't know how to imagine smartphones and antibiotics airplanes the internet uh right uh

01:48:33.380 ai which like just generates intelligence so they couldn't articulate any ideas so they wouldn't

01:48:38.020 but if you could be like hey homo erectus like you want to be around because the future is pretty

01:48:43.740 amazing like like it's gonna blow your mind you can't even begin to imagine so i want to propose

01:48:50.680 the reason why we want to exist is i think that we're going to traverse like a million years of

01:48:58.620 evolutionary progress in like 5 10 15 years like it's it's here the future is unimaginably different

01:49:07.660 than what we can imagine we don't even know why we want the future it's going to be crazy and so

01:49:13.160 but i think it's worth us wanting to play the game we don't know how it's going to turn out

01:49:17.260 but like we're right there and so it's like this epic moment to exist and it's our opportunity to

01:49:25.800 say yes to it that's what this whole thing is about is saying yes to life like yes to existence

01:49:31.000 what i'm hearing is don't die if you die you're gonna have fomo basically yes yeah

01:49:39.360 That FOMO is the worst.

01:49:41.000 That's a good summary.

01:49:41.940 It is so true.

01:49:43.180 I'll tell you something, man.

01:49:44.700 I want to see what's going to happen in the next 20.

01:49:47.060 Like I am eager to see what this next couple of decades.

01:49:51.160 I just want the flying cars, man.

01:49:52.840 I've been waiting for it for a long time.

01:49:54.480 Yeah, we're close.

01:49:55.340 There's flying cars on there.

01:49:56.380 All right.

01:49:56.740 All right.

01:49:56.980 Let's get it.

01:49:57.500 Brian Johnson, ladies and gentlemen.

01:49:58.720 Thank you.

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