00:09:00.080Everything that he said after the first line of this tweet
00:09:03.800is an effective coping mechanism and so i i want to i want to put that pin in it really quick and
00:09:09.740then let you get back to it and then i'll i'll jump back in after people latch on to the first
00:09:14.260line the first line that's what you went viral for and started trending yeah i mean in i feel
00:09:22.220like i'm i feel like and we were talking about it off camera i feel like i'm half right it's like
00:09:26.560stress all these imaginary thoughts playing into the future thinking about the future getting
00:09:32.000stressed over things that haven't even happened yet uh like worrying about work worrying about
00:09:36.860all the problems you have oh i have so many things to do oh i failed at this this happened uh you0.67
00:09:42.900know thinking about like oh my god like what am i gonna am i gonna fuck up am i gonna do something0.74
00:09:48.300wrong like that that is all in the future and that is why that is create those thoughts are created0.98
00:09:55.700by you and you can let them keep going and and get more anxious and build that shit up or you0.95
00:10:03.700can realize like i'm doing this to myself these are my thoughts and you can control your thoughts0.96
00:10:08.580how bad is your anxiety it's it it's not it's it's like waves it's really wavy but when it's
00:10:15.720when it's the worst it's been how bad is it on like a scale do you feel like you want to die
00:10:20.560do you feel like you can't breathe no no do you feel trapped i feel i feel a little trapped
00:10:25.780it's been worse it's been worse lately the reason the reason i'm asking is like lost
00:10:31.420almost in a weird way um so okay this is the reason i'm asking i i know you i believe you
00:10:38.980fall into the category of a um i don't i don't verbiage here is so important because like similar
00:10:46.540to this tweet like things i've said in the past i don't want to like well you're also you're also
00:10:49.960not an expert on it and so i don't think anyone watch i hope that no one watching the show
00:10:54.200takes every single thing you say literally you you're not an expert on anxiety or mental health
00:10:59.160or generalizing anxiety disorder like i'm just dissecting this tweet no i know i'm not an expert
00:11:04.240everyone knows that yeah there's there's like um a fairly regular balanced brain that i think you
00:11:11.500have that um can get caught up with the anxiety of the everyday stresses which is the things you
00:11:17.540just described yes and then there's the chemical imbalance type anxiety genetic anxiety that is
00:11:24.080not created by you right which is why i feel like i'm half right and i and i and i didn't even
00:11:30.080realize that that was i didn't even know literally until yesterday that there were people who were
00:11:36.300chemically imbalanced and like couldn't control it are you serious yes you didn't know i mean that's
00:11:43.380so how why would i know that well so have you ever had have you ever had any kind of treatment
00:11:49.020for anxiety so as someone as someone who's who's and this is why i got so involved in it yesterday
00:11:53.220because as people watching this know i've struggled with anxiety and depression i've been
00:11:56.900every therapist i've been on every antidepressant for my anxiety for my depression my whole life
00:12:01.080i i don't know if it's because of uh internal stressors genetics or if it's because of external
00:12:08.020stressors but for whatever reason i struggle with anxiety every single day of my life when i saw you
00:12:12.820tweet about it yesterday, I was not, I didn't get the same kind of visceral feeling that other
00:12:18.200people who suffer did. I did not say to myself, this is worded so improperly that I'm going to
00:12:25.320latch on to bandwagon hate against someone who is clearly struggling. What I saw was a tweet from
00:12:32.640someone who is currently struggling with anxiety. Was it worded perfectly? Absolutely not. Could it
00:12:39.020have been worded better. Yes. Does that discount your right to voice your current emotional state
00:12:48.140and voice your feelings about how you're feeling at the time or what you're doing to make yourself
00:12:51.780feel better? Absolutely not. Absolutely fucking not. You should have every right like everyone
00:12:58.360else to go through the same pain, the same struggle that people like I do. I saw tweets
00:13:03.120coming back to your tweet and to my tweet back to it that said jake paul is famous jake paul does
00:13:09.180not understand what it's like to struggle with daily stress and that's that's why that's what
00:13:13.360i hate is like people think that i'm like not a human and that's what me and my friends are
00:13:17.100talking about like yo they're just like oh jake paul is rich jake paul has this jake paul has
00:13:20.960the best life he's jake like and they're like why would you why would he have anxiety he has the
00:13:24.860perfect life like people do people not understand that everyone is human and that none of those0.76
00:13:28.500things being famous having money mean fucking anything and that the only thing that matters
00:13:32.540is like friends human connection how you feel your mental health yes exactly yes so it's like
00:13:37.140i don't i just how many how many only like it just we had this conversation in the car yesterday
00:13:43.100absolutely we had we had it in the car um my only rebuttal when maybe this is just like the way i
00:13:50.980the way i move is like i really do try to put it into perspective because like i i acknowledge the
00:13:56.180fact that i because of my hard work now live a privileged life i'm blessed or whatever i'm
00:14:01.360fortunate. And anytime I find myself in times of really deep sadness, I really do try to put it
00:14:09.060into perspective and say like, you know, it could be worse. Like a hundred percent. And it's, it's
00:14:15.280hard. You responded. And sometimes it's hard, like specifically with you, like you're very blessed
00:14:21.620man. And, and I, and I think my response to when we had this conversation, cause you're absolutely
00:14:25.780right. Perspective has actually saved my life. Perspective, being able to, to remember the fact
00:14:30.460that i'm so blessed to one even still be breathing but two to have a roof over my head food on my
00:14:36.940plate most importantly a network of people to talk to and to fall back on when i'm feeling a certain
00:14:42.120kind of way those are blessings that very very many people in this world do not have that is
00:14:49.320the perspective you talk about is what saves me from going back down down down way far it saves
00:14:55.700my life. But it doesn't stop anxiety. It doesn't stop racing negative thought loops. It doesn't
00:15:01.320stop all that stuff. I told him last night, I said, if I don't get my mental health right and
00:15:04.760keep my mental health right, I could have $150 million in the bank, the hottest wife in the
00:15:09.360world, sitting on a yacht with no responsibilities and still be stressing and anxious over what may
00:15:14.540come in the future. Those two do not have a direct relationship that people think they do.
00:15:21.220if you are i know more unhappy anxious depressed billionaires than i do people living with
00:15:28.220negative 35 in their checking account i yeah yeah why do you think you always how many rich people
00:15:36.540have you seen that have killed themselves over the past year yeah there's been and of course0.89
00:15:39.500there's people that aren't rich that do too but i think people have this fucked up thought that
00:15:43.560once you make it and once you get a little bit of money that you you aren't able to feel the same
00:15:48.300Yeah. And like people didn't know like what I was like going through in that moment or like what, like what all the things were like, that's why it's like, you never know what someone's going through. So how can you judge like what they're feeling or how they even deal with certain things?
00:16:01.580It's, it's, it's, um, it's ignorance on both parts. We asked in our last podcast, depending on the order that we release them, why, why are people so mean? We just asked this question. Like in general, why are people so mean, especially online? And one of the reasons that I said was empathetic ignorance.
00:16:15.760so people are unwilling to have empathy for you because they're ignorant to the fact that you're
00:16:24.220still a human just like ignorance maybe took played a part in you tweeting that anxiety was
00:16:29.720created by you you say that you were unaware of the uh chemical imbalance type of mental health
00:16:36.300um yeah that factor ignorance it plays a huge part in in on both sides
00:16:42.240i was unaware of the chemical imbalance and like specifically in anxiety
00:16:48.000but i i knew there was like chemical imbalance with like depression like that yeah bipolar all
00:16:56.240that it's it also is like uh i think i think it can be rooted in experience as well like have you
00:17:03.360ever been around someone who who has had like a panic attack and like have you seen like viscerally
00:17:08.900the type of effect it has over that person and it literally just collapses them into like a shell
00:17:12.880of themself yeah so i mean that's and why also like i said this made me so sad is like i knew
00:17:18.720where this was coming from i just spoke with you the day before right and it bothered me that
00:17:24.180you're struggling yeah it was very you made it clear it's you're like yo like i'm mad just like
00:17:29.340a gray area in my life and then people are attacking you because you worded something
00:17:33.500wrong it really it really hurt uh me in a way that i did not like yeah can i just hit the flip
00:17:40.320side really quickly too i i also on the opposing side you obviously understand that you didn't
00:17:47.640word it properly you've already stated that because you didn't under you had some unknowns
00:17:51.860on the topic having to do a genetic input so on and so forth so maybe you could have worded it
00:17:56.040better yes also something that i'm oh i need to remind myself always is when i say that those
00:18:02.340coping mechanisms work they do but unfortunately not for everyone anxiety depression manic uh all
00:18:09.840those mental health disorders are very subjective to the person there are certain things where
00:18:13.860certain people where none of those coping mechanisms so wait so sorry to interrupt so
00:18:17.840should so should people just not talk about what coping mechanisms work for them is it because
00:18:22.980that's what happened here like i get like only jake paul would get shitted on for talking about
00:18:28.700how he deals with anxiety i agree to an extent i've seen other people take quit quite a bit of
00:18:33.620heat when they speak very broadly about mental health topics because it is such a subjective
00:18:38.320thing i think because you're jake paul you got one of the worst i've ever seen of it and it was
00:18:43.440unfair and by the way i'm on your side i've tweeted out in your defense about this i'm
00:18:47.080very i i believe very strongly that you've been wrong today but also i'm just looking at the
00:18:51.940i'm trying to learn like what like right like can we not talk about like i so like you can't
00:18:57.640you can't no yes yes i disagree why i disagree bro because because this is what pisses me off
00:19:02.600bro is why do i go age one through 18 having like anxiety in like different ways but like not even
00:19:09.320knowing what it is and just thinking like my mind is like eating itself and not knowing what it is
00:19:14.360first of all that i don't even know what's going on i just thought i was like a human being didn't0.95
00:19:17.920know that this was not normal to how do i deal with this and like so who the fuck is gonna tell0.61
00:19:25.320me i can't talk about this so that a younger kid who maybe doesn't know that they have anxiety0.86
00:19:32.280finds out about anxiety learns how to deal with it and and move and moves forward from it i i think
00:19:37.820it's because you didn't speak for personally from your personal your your the first line was remember
00:19:44.100kids anxiety is created by you right versus if you said like uh i've been struggling most of the time
00:19:50.980i feel like my anxiety is created by myself i have to remind myself that my thoughts are not me
00:19:55.740right if you spoke from everything that you felt yeah because anxiety is not generalized bro this
00:20:02.340this is a weird complicated dynamic uh this is disease can i say yeah that's what it is that
00:20:10.480everyone who experiences experiences a different uh or it's a mental portion of it sorry i think0.98
00:20:15.620it's a mental health disorder i think it's this order i should have said yeah please don't fucking0.97
00:20:18.800no you're not bro who knows who knows we can look up the mental health the mh what is it the mhv0.97
00:20:23.760the mental health journal if we need the exact term yeah but uh to his point that's true but
00:20:29.100also i think i think that you need to keep in mind that you're being attacked because you're
00:20:35.700jake paul for one but also some of the people are attacking you just because the platform you hold
00:20:41.940which at the end of the day is massive you are a massive massive global entity that speaks to
00:20:47.440millions and millions of people and there were some people that spoke out against you that want0.98
00:20:52.700hold on i don't know what the fuck i'm doing i want to like let's be honest bro i'm fucking 230.97
00:20:57.820years old and like okay i have this giant fucking platform like like what like i really like how0.99
00:21:06.320have we gained all this success hard work like we're learning as we fucking go we didn't have0.97
00:21:11.420parents that did this we didn't like there's we have some like advisors we have some people in0.77
00:21:17.140our corner but at the end of the day those people let him post the Japan video at the end of the
00:21:21.800day like what the fuck are we doing like you can say like oh you have a massive audience like so0.99
00:21:26.240you're held to a higher standard like I'm just the same fucking kid that grew up and played1.00
00:21:31.700fucking football and is like an idiot and likes to get drunk like that's that is who I am so you1.00
00:21:37.060can say like oh you have all this massive fucking platform and you need to do this and this and like1.00
00:21:41.660i understand that and like i get that and i that is in the back of my head and i've learned so much0.98
00:21:47.640because i've been upheld to that and to become a role model but you can't be fucking perfect
00:21:54.900so like also i don't want to see you dumb yourself down too much you've been no but no but i i also0.91
00:21:59.720i also really want to back that sentiment the older the older i get i'm 24 now yep japan happened
00:22:06.240when i was 22 and a few like little things after that uh that was sort of like a ripple effect of
00:22:10.560me trying to self-sabotage and destroy everything i built because i was just in a weird mental
00:22:13.840headspace of trying to vilify myself yep the older i get the more i uh empath empathize with0.98
00:22:21.660youth making mistakes publicly like like before us bro before us it was fucking it was it was0.92
00:22:28.040bieber right when bieber was doing all this crazy but and no one had the wherewithal to go wait a0.97
00:22:33.820second isn't that isn't that a kid yeah who's never had a childhood whose developmental maturity
00:22:38.840has even been delayed because of his celebratory status but that's but that happened but then0.97
00:22:42.700that's what i'm saying and sorry to interrupt like that happened to fucking me bro i don't0.97
00:22:46.600think for sure you went right from high school to hollywood drop out of high school 17 years old0.97
00:22:50.460like i'm in this fucking fantasy world like and all i'm doing is working and like doing random0.97
00:22:57.480shit like i don't feel like i matured until like the last like 18 months of my life and it's the0.98
00:23:02.440weirdest fucking thing because i like talk to people who are my age and like they're so much0.99
00:23:05.960more mature than me and i'm like what the fuck in a way in a way in a way and i'm more mature in0.99
00:23:11.920like a different way yeah in a way different way like experiences like business like uh i'd say0.84
00:23:19.720social interaction but like they're just more mature in like weird different ways and i like
00:23:26.240try to learn from them because i'm like bro like i was on set from nine to five every single day0.79
00:23:31.280in a little fucking room by myself looking at the community for two years like i i'm not trying0.85
00:23:36.840to play victim but like that happened to me no no it's a bieber maturity thing for sure you know0.98
00:23:42.140it's i don't i don't i don't think it's you playing victim at all like um i think i think
00:23:46.600we're trying to uh determine why maybe you are the way you are just like i had to do after my0.90
00:23:54.080shit like i had to ask myself like why why did why did this happen why did i become this way0.97
00:23:58.520I reached the conclusion. I found an answer and tried to go back down the road where I was at the fork and then go the right way.0.99
00:24:06.140Yeah. I also I also think that you're the response to this has been incredibly outsized.
00:24:12.920I think that you were pounded to your point because you're Jake Paul and because people love to get on the bandwagon and hate someone.
00:24:19.420By the way, I want to make sure this is very well known.
00:24:22.440if you see someone online who is spewing the fact that they're struggling or it's clearly
00:24:29.280dealing with some sort of mental health disorder please do not create a bandwagon of hate against
00:24:34.580that person are you helping are you helping this person are you helping anyone by ganging up
00:24:40.940against someone who's made a mistake or who's feeling a certain way that's the question i
00:24:45.860asked on twitter i want to put my cap on this because i also think this is an outsized response0.53
00:24:50.920to a not fucking giant problem and i just want to say the only thing you need to take from this0.63
00:24:57.440in my eyes is a learning that there are hot button topics in this world he knows this i know this0.83
00:25:02.860and that you have to put an extra layer of caution on your verbiage when you talk about those things
00:25:07.980unfortunately just how it is race issues mental health homophobe like uh issues around uh same
00:25:14.840whatever those issues when you talk about them a but a button suicide a button should go off in
00:25:21.680your mind a little alert button that says alert alert add next layer of security around this
00:25:27.580verbiage because it has to be perfect it has to be unfortunately that's just the world we live in
00:25:33.180but no thanks like i said can we can we put like a article in the description about like anxiety
00:25:37.800and like ways to deal with it and like yeah if i want everyone to like if you think you have it
00:25:42.280like or that you have it go read that so let let me ask you then what did stem the tweet do you want
00:25:47.380do you want to talk about that at all i guess i don't i guess i don't even know if i legally can0.98
00:25:51.180but like let's say i was i was like i've i'm in four lawsuits and it consumes my fucking life0.73
00:26:02.660i'm talking about like hour-long phone calls multiple times a week depositions interrogations0.99