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00:36:54.380coming coming forward with a story that did not happen for whatever reason is wrong on so many
00:37:03.660levels you have the balance of a a person's entire livelihood their career their life in
00:37:09.140your hands worse than that it's worse i'm not done yet what you what is even worse
00:37:13.800is you are now a woman who cried wolf and you've diluted and invalidated the actual victims of
00:37:22.560sexual assault and rape when you when you use the word rape that is that is a heavy fucking word
00:37:31.480it's one thing to accuse a person who didn't do it it's an entirely not another thing to
00:37:37.440invalidate an entire movement of again actual victims do you know how i have no fucking idea
00:37:43.300i can't even say i can imagine how i can't imagine how traumatic it must be to go through
00:37:50.120something like that and then after years finally having the courage to speak up and having something
00:37:57.860dilute your story because of a weird intention from an anonymous get something and ruin someone's
00:38:04.600because yo yo bieber had receipts right bieber had like specifically his story he had received
00:38:12.240it was the first it was the first time i saw i saw the celebrity himself not be silent and not let
00:38:18.020the media control the narrative of what's happening and something tells me
00:38:22.020justin bieber the biggest celebrity pop star in the world is going to negate a claim like that
00:38:30.960he's probably got some really good receipts because if god forbid hypothetically he was
00:38:38.540proved wrong that's a death wish life signed sealed delivered their career life is over
00:38:43.800and and so i'm even like just shaking right now thinking about it because this is
00:38:49.080the the me too movement is is um i but the the valid part of the me too movement is is
00:38:57.500is so important for so many reasons and i think it's definitely uh putting a lot of men in their
00:39:03.520place and a lot of men who are maybe raised the wrong way and with the wrong morals who who would
00:39:08.620have done some shit like that given the power that they have yeah i think i think i think it's
00:39:14.160i think it's so necessary and beneficial but but the the side of it that is it a hundred percent
00:39:19.280a lie is that it is fucking disgusting dog you know this happened to me do you know this happened
00:39:24.860i don't i don't know if i've ever told you this story and uh i think evan knows about three four
00:39:32.800years ago we went to the dwarf world convention it was in uh it was in a small town in canada
00:39:39.320just mobbing around we went to the mall filmed some content uh there were a couple fans outside
00:39:45.140of the hotel that we were staying at and um i took a picture and left nothing of it i was with
00:39:52.100having the whole time evan and his friends it's a day and a half just mobbing around again shooting
00:39:56.900content having some fun about a week later i get home there's an 18 minute video of this girl
00:40:06.880who i had never seen in my life completely lying about a very intricate story of how i met up with
00:40:15.360her at the mall sat down had lunch with her started getting pushy asked for her number and like i
00:40:21.360forget what the story was i think she says i like shoved her or something like later that night i
00:40:26.760hotel room i showed it to evan i go do you have you seen this he goes bro what the fuck am i
00:40:32.200watching dog 18 minutes of a woman lying about something that didn't even didn't i can't even
00:40:40.020explain how much this didn't happen i don't know who this person is so for the my heart sinks i'm
00:40:45.160like what the fuck happened here the she wrote beats for a detailed story yeah about the thing
00:40:52.600with justin bieber like the what was it the whole story that came out was a fan fiction i got raped
00:40:58.420by oh is that justin bieber was like a fan fiction and then someone pulled no shut up you're serious
00:41:04.140someone pulled things because i dude i was like justin bieber's getting canceled what's going on
00:41:07.600so like i looked into it and someone had written a fan fiction called justin bieber raped me or
00:41:12.380something like that and i think the modern thing that just came out was someone pulled from that
00:41:19.120story uh that actually that actually makes sense yeah but but i actually i actually before you go
00:41:25.420i actually i actually commented on this video like in the moment because i was i was completely
00:41:29.640and utterly uh disgusted yeah offended to say the fucking least absolutely you should be this is
00:41:35.280again this is wrong for so many reasons so i commented whatever i believe she pulled the
00:41:38.660video down because it it wasn't starting to get traction and even the comments were fucking
00:41:42.660toasting so i think beaver said he's taking he's looking into legal action absolutely and and
00:41:49.040And first and foremost, we on this show, you know, are probably, I'll speak for you guys, supporters of believing women on this kind of stuff.
00:41:57.700But honestly, like this kind of stuff is terrible, terrible, terrible for the fucking cause, especially because it's really the one cause that exists out there that just the bare accusation is enough to disable your career for the rest of your life.
00:42:18.060And so people just – women out there need to be sure about what they're doing before they do it and make very, very specific claims and not lie.
00:42:32.800I mean, once again, I hate to say it, but to the girls out there that are devalidating or invalidating the Me Too movement by creating false claims against famous people, I truly hope that the next time you're playing soccer, there is one of those in-ground sprinkler systems.
00:42:51.760You plow your foot into it, and it tears a massive cut up between your middle toe and your big toe.
00:42:58.480And you have to get anywhere from 7 to 12 stitches in it.
00:53:44.380You know, but but it's I'm fascinated that these companies are still just fucking flinging money at creators and crossing their fingers, hoping that they buck the trend that this creator first model works.
00:53:59.460And it's and it's so it feels so horrible to be sitting here with a fellow YouTube creator telling these people who are building platforms, please don't write us a check because it's not going to fucking work.
00:54:11.100i want the fucking check i want the check but i'm telling you it's this is coming from someone who
00:54:16.960has sat ground floor on a lot of these new la startups and they come to me and they say yo you
00:54:23.400know every fucking influencer in the world go and go and create a program around them to help us
00:54:28.480build this and i i always try to level set their expectations yo listen to me even if you put
00:54:33.880mcbroom dobrik logan everybody on it to move a product a consumer product some sort of package
00:54:41.980good a t-shirt a charity something like that fine so many users to site will trickle down to a
00:54:48.300certain level of conversion you'll move the product if you get the right amount of traffic
00:54:51.340and viewership to upstart a new platform which is the equivalent of a new world versus a product
00:54:59.340being a small city it doesn't work it does it just it's the hardest it is the hardest thing
00:55:05.300in the world to do it has not been done successfully yet i am excited to see what
00:55:10.720happens with quibi quibi i mean i mean they're not they're not solely reliant 1.5 billion on
00:55:18.980quibi right but they're not solely reliant on um uh influencer because they have a slightly
00:55:24.580different model which is it's content for its original content first which okay gives them a
00:55:28.480still historically has not worked right if you remember netflix netflix did not do original
00:55:33.960content they sent you dvds and movies at first every day hbo whatever hbo started making original
00:55:38.480content correct i don't think so right off the bat at first h home box office hbo and it's
00:55:42.600original shape was just a place to see the newest movies right yeah that first then through uh again
00:55:48.940the woodworks comes the original content if quibi can get can secure their game of thrones
00:55:53.980house of cards stranger things i think they're my the problem is it's a short form model what what
00:56:02.820is again historically i look at models i'm working with don't what has been the game of thrones of a
00:56:08.100short form episodic series that are like what 47 minutes no no that's not no what logan paul vlogs
00:56:13.460what what what is uh why why is that no like four to seven minutes like it's the closest thing i
00:56:21.860I mean, who else is totally different?
00:56:23.240How much are you going to relate to and empathize and connect with the character in four to seven minutes?
00:56:29.040As far as like long, long format storytelling?
01:04:36.640And this is the only thing I like about it, I think is, and I hate to make the comparison again, but if you sit back, remove your bias from it, 6ix9ine and Trump are not that fucking far off from each other in the way they activate.
01:04:49.860this is not talking shit about either of them
01:06:40.320No, that's what I just said to the camera.
01:06:42.260The fact that you're too young is the only problem.
01:06:46.380If you're old enough, I'm going to say another blunt statement.
01:06:50.380My thought right now, and I believe a lot of Americans would echo this statement, is that the less qualified you are for a position, the higher the likelihood you're going to get it.