00:01:55.080He gets right up next to the microphone.
00:01:56.340I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other.
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00:02:12.820You know, we're all chowing down like that.
00:02:14.480And I look over to the captain and it was this vegetable soup.
00:02:17.360And I looked over and I noticed that mine had like pork or chicken in it or something.
00:02:21.140And I said, how come yours hasn't got pork or chicken?
00:22:44.100And I don't love the idea of trying to find happiness.
00:22:49.460If you can do these little accomplishments and complete tasks in your life, both through struggle and failure specifically, you're going to come out that much more well-rounded of a person.
00:47:09.740you know he's old now and he goes you know and i'll be honest with you i thought to myself at0.99
00:47:13.140the time you little fuck you know i'm gonna stitch you up here and he says he goes oh no0.98
00:47:21.000because this is this is far too uh far too slow the the pack's gonna catch us up we're in real0.99
00:47:26.160trouble emil and then with that emil's that effect just goes okay no problem i will finish and see
00:47:30.980you at the finish line and he just left left him my my the point that i love about that story is if
00:47:38.340you turn up on the start line with a dude like that who just loves it he just loves it he's not
00:47:43.600getting up on a sunday dragging his heels he just wants to go run yeah and that for me is a ryan
00:47:50.220garcia it's a chuck liddell yeah somebody who is going i just i just love it i just you know money
00:47:56.380i just i just love it i love the process yeah and that's why i love that story that is that's the
00:48:01.080sweet spot is what you just described it's that perfect balance between finding that thing that
00:48:05.340you love and the thing that's gonna that's gonna make money or uh help you achieve your goals
00:48:10.920whatever it is that's i i try to tell people all the time if you can monetize the thing that you're
00:48:17.760good at or at least that you you see yourself being able to become become good at if you have
00:48:23.320potential in it that's gonna be that's gonna be the golden the golden area but my question to you
00:48:27.860is this because i heard you say earlier uh it was something along the lines of you're just like
00:48:33.560everyone else you really think that because because because i may push back a little bit and
00:48:38.800say there might be some some biological advantages that you may may or may not have i'm not making
00:48:46.460assumptions about your biology biological makeup no i like genuinely i i think that um they say
00:48:54.120that training is the realization of your genetic potential so i definitely think that you have
00:48:58.320you know a genetic predisposition to be good at something right you know so with me you know i've
00:49:03.040always been quite good at swimming but there was things like you know i was putting away 15 000
00:49:07.260calories on the gb swim so oh it was amazing it was amazing i'm jealous what were you eating uh0.87
00:49:14.180real quick not all it was healthy right there's a lot of junk food like just shit right is exactly
00:49:19.420it i mean when we got to scotland that was where in dunbar a town there they do uh battered mars
00:49:23.780bars a battered chocolate deep fried yeah yeah so i was swimming past there and the people of
00:49:29.580scotland are amazing they heard that i needed 15 000 calories so i'm swimming i thought i was like
00:49:34.040tripping like sleep deprived or something i saw this scottish guy on a jet ski with a bin bag
00:49:38.440yeah so i was like mate dude thanks i smashed six of them so yeah no it was it was but also
00:49:46.100as well it was like what i could tolerate with my tongue so the real record was was 649 bananas
00:49:51.600that was my total of bananas for the whole so much potassium but at that at that point it doesn't
00:49:58.460even really matter what you eat like you could eat 100 battered mars bars 52 cheeseburgers a
00:50:04.080bunch of fish and chips if if that's what you want it didn't matter you were still gonna walk0.96
00:50:08.440out with with abs of fucking steel dude well that was what was weird though i mean i genuinely0.96
00:50:13.900didn't like by the end because i needed to put on sea bulk as well you know because it was getting0.97
00:50:17.580colder it was getting winter i got i got caught in an arctic storm coming from iceland you know
00:50:22.500why not right yeah yes yes so i would find any mermaids on that journey
00:50:27.260no mermaid but but quickly on that there was a a minky whale um and actually i just want to like
00:50:36.980say for all of the bad stories about tongues falling off and everything there was this one
00:50:39.980story bristol channel i basically was swimming non-stop for 72 hours to get across the bristol
00:50:44.780channel and as i was going across this minky whale uh basically came over to me and started
00:50:49.480blowing bubbles in my face yeah it was unbelievable like swimming under me breaching next to me
00:50:55.980and i turned to matt the captain again i was like matt i was like what is going on i said do i need
00:51:00.120to do i need to get out am i safe and matt was like no it's a minky well you're not on the menu
00:51:03.980it's fine it's fine i was like all right cool so i carried on swimming basically he turned to me and0.95
00:51:08.140he said like i think what's happening is i think that she's a female and i think that she thinks
00:51:12.520you're an injured seal so she was like a mom she basically then guided me all the way to wales which
00:51:18.400is where the water got a little bit shallower like that so when the minky well knew that i was
00:51:22.500getting a bit shallower and i was heading to land it breached one more time after keeping me like
00:51:27.340company for miles slapped its tail as if to say like you're safe now and then and then i've never
00:51:32.700seen her since so wow yeah and i think that is so cool i think it's probably because you were
00:51:37.640smiling so much man you let you got escorted by a whale the whales like what is the chance of that
00:51:44.500dude incredible but yeah and i think that's the nice thing that i really take a kick out of and
00:51:50.560stuff so genuinely if you guys are ever in england i'd love to take you ice swimming you know we can
00:51:54.640go and like hit up some i'll take you to the korea veckin like whirlpool you'll love it i would love
00:51:58.740i'm a pretty strong swimmer i'm pretty strong swimmer i could swim pretty well not not like
00:52:04.640not like him dude or even or even like anybody but like strong enough to stay afloat probably
00:52:09.260swim better than me honestly really ross i i got the big feet oh paddles paddle feet
00:52:14.440yeah but for instance if we went up to the penland firth for instance penland firth up there you to
00:52:20.860put this into perspective even if you can't swim there's like treading water right now you can do
00:52:25.10012 knots so that's you know 10 miles per hour to give you an idea cruising speed of a dolphin is
00:52:29.880nine miles per hour so the currents over the top of scotland are some of the biggest in the world
00:52:34.020so you will be going fast michael phelps swims at like five knots maybe six you know so you'll
00:52:39.120be going faster than michael phelps what okay i'm in wait let's let's actually do this i i thoroughly
00:52:43.780mean it like let's let's plan it as soon as we get off the call i can't i can't go under too deep
00:52:48.980because my sinuses but that's fine at the surface and i'll do some i'll do some biking with you too
00:52:53.940because i i do i rode bikes so i could do i could do 100 100 miles with you all just i would love
00:52:59.620that you guys like if we even if we did like a weird like man tackle on weekend you know and we
00:53:03.920just ended up like doing that adversity introduces you to you you know we're gonna do weights down
00:53:07.980gym shot lifting club go and smash it in penland and maybe invite ksi in the squad to do it with
00:53:13.760us that is it so you know ethan he's a gym shark yeah absolutely yep honestly but do a weekend
00:53:20.600where we're all just like weirdly like a rite of passage you know like not to get too weird again
00:53:26.100but that whole idea of the okugaki we make a version of that but it's almost like this is
00:53:31.060weird but like an agogi so when spartans were like seven years old they'd check into an agogi
00:53:36.240they were basically given a loincloth and barefoot and they'd have to just go like run miles on no
00:53:41.260food could you imagine the content the content if we if us and the sidemen go to scotland
00:53:47.860to swim and bike with ross edgley and they only give us a loincloth
00:53:52.060in scotland i mean up there as well you get the water coming down from like the highlands
00:53:58.760in the hebrides i mean honestly i have to send you guys pictures it's stunning it looks like
00:54:02.680something out of avatar yes swimming around there and it is freezing you get choreographed you get
00:54:08.320basking sharks you know but it's all but it's fine like basking sharks are fine like they we're not
00:54:13.760on their menu but just to go up there go and smash some hills on a bike and then go and swim across
00:54:18.500to the inner hebrides you honestly there's no better way to spend the winter you'd love it
00:54:22.880i think we're gonna do a euro trip uh after the covid thing is is figured out uh and yeah we'll
00:54:30.520stop by and run up a mountain honestly 100 like honestly i'll get that always equally and this
00:54:37.360is almost like we talk about this in the book but this whole idea of like getting wintered
00:54:40.960so epictetus one of the stoics it's something that we're not doing anymore but they used to
00:54:44.720say that the armies you know they would fight in the summer but it's what you did in the winter
00:54:48.940that would determine how you performed in the summer and so everyone talks about getting their
00:54:52.540summer body but i'm here like going what about your winter body let's go scotland let's go you
00:54:57.340know make friends with some jellyfish and just get wintered you know have you have you had a moment
00:55:03.900where you've been too, too wintered? Like you said, uh, the Navy SEALs, when you, when you think
00:55:09.760you've hit your peak, you're at really only 40%. Have you hit a hundred percent? Have you had it
00:55:14.340like 99, even where you're, you're, you are on the cusp of quitting. So, so this gets weird. So
00:55:20.880like, you know, we do this, uh, down, uh, gym chart, we've got sports scientists. We do basically,
00:55:25.900I'm going to keep this quite short, but we have, um, you have what's called a strength deficit.
00:55:29.240so a strength deficit is basically where um you measure your your training strength and your
00:55:36.040absolute strength so imagine you've got a quad extension machine you know so you're measuring
00:55:40.400the uh the strength of your quads we'd say like in a laboratory okay boom would hook like let's
00:55:46.420use mike we hook mike up and we go like smelling salts you know slapping you on the back yeah and0.99
00:55:51.380we go right mike fucking get angry get angry and you see how much force you can generate through0.99
00:55:55.640your quads with you voluntarily contracting it got it so you're just there like getting wired0.99
00:56:00.640and you do bang on and we measure how much force you generate strength your body's ability to
00:56:04.220generate force then what we can do is we can electrically stimulate and involuntary contract
00:56:09.980your quadriceps so what that does we electrocute you and then your quadriceps basically will
00:56:15.680contract like to their full i'll just kick over a chair somebody just contracted your quads
00:56:21.820to quad for you and you can kick the chair over but we would contract your quadriceps so you don't0.87
00:56:27.840have any control over it you would basically just sit there and we electrocute them we involuntary
00:56:32.000crack the difference between those two is what's known as your strength deficit now for some people
00:56:37.920it will be a large strength deficit which means that you've got muscle mass but you're not using
00:56:41.860it to the full potential you're not recruiting all the muscle fibers you have and then other people
00:56:46.880will have quite a small deficit and if you have a small deficit what you can do then is say okay
00:56:51.320you need to build muscle you need bulk yeah you know to use a ufc example i think it's fascinating
00:56:55.580right now when you look at john jones trying to go up to heavyweight people are going we'll just
00:56:58.580bulk up no you need to do that but understanding your strength deficit you can't just go up and
00:57:02.520build this you know unfunctional muscle mass yeah so to answer your question logan it gets real
00:57:07.760interesting that when you start looking i had quite a small strength deficit so they said yeah
00:57:12.200you're recruiting quite a lot i was on smelling salts you know getting wired and and they were
00:57:16.960oh yeah cool you're recruiting your muscle fibers um and then in terms of cardio i mean we again you
00:57:22.260guys will be more than welcome at love for uni we do vo2 tests there where you're hooked up like
00:57:27.040into a horse harness and they just basically incrementally put it up put it up so in the end
00:57:32.680we're trying to basically replicate kipchoge's sub to our marathon pace and it will end when
00:57:38.800you're basically just like dribbling being sick being suspended like that from the harness so to
00:57:46.200answer your question yeah i pushed it to some like like pretty dark places where i'm dribbling
00:57:52.640you know probably lost control over my bowels but afterwards in in lab conditions you go cool
00:58:00.820now we know where you're at and then that allows me when i'm swimming they're looking at my heart
00:58:05.500rate and everything and what gym shark can turn around with all of this biofeedback they can go
00:58:09.740yeah but you're not you're not actually at your capacity your heart rate's only here
00:58:13.880your vo2 your lung capacity we know is here your strength deficit do you have any stats that are
00:58:19.040anomalies like things that aren't normal of most people i do do you know what it's a good question
00:58:24.620not really and that's why i do think that you know with a lot of the strategy i'm not i'm not
00:58:30.120michael felt i'm not i'm 5 8 so it's not like you can say i swam around great britain because he's
00:58:34.440got you know wingspan like this i'm a small guy i think one thing was probably um the food that i
00:58:42.160just i i could eat 15 000 calories people were going like how do you put that away i was like
00:58:46.300how do you not like that's that's insane that's that's a lot of food when i was in a training
00:58:51.360camp for boxing i think i think i'm i maxed maybe 6 000 6 000 calories a day maybe clean or dirty
00:58:59.680pretty clean yeah wow yeah see that that's a lot clean but also i i i couldn't eat any more than
00:59:07.040that i couldn't uh if even if i tried if someone handed me a mcgriddle for mcdonald's i wouldn't
00:59:11.820be able to eat it yeah so so i guess what you're saying like being able to even intake that much
00:59:18.620food maybe that's an advantage of yours yeah yeah yeah honestly because like the swim it was weird
00:59:24.560because it didn't become a swim anymore it was just like you're trying to control the breakdown
00:59:27.880of the body you know everything like medically you know i was talking about as well like wetsuit
00:59:32.320shaping was so bad i remember waking up some days and like like my bed sheets had fused to the the
00:59:38.020wounds on my neck so i had to rip it off before i could even get in yeah so it was exactly it
00:59:45.500and then and then i think one thing that's so interesting is like training your stomach like
00:59:49.760people are like what do you mean and it's like before a fight before a long bike ride you need
00:59:54.980to know like in terms of nutrigenomics so like we're only understanding this now how your nutrition
00:59:59.760interacts with your individual genetics your gut bio all of that sort of stuff that now it's crazy
01:00:05.200that there's so many people who would turn up for a marathon having not drilled nutritional
01:00:08.300strategies i'm like how do you not know what works for your stomach for sure whereas for me
01:00:13.100like in training i was doing 20k a day swimming with a picnic on the side of the pool so i knew
01:00:18.680that when i got in and was doing the gb swim i knew exactly what my stomach could and couldn't
01:00:23.040handle um you know even to the point of like seasickness as well i mean there was a story
01:00:29.660in the book that i talk about just quickly but like i i was basically going you know when i
01:00:34.160talked about the appendant firth and how fast the tides were up there yeah so basically i'm swimming
01:00:38.900i'm swimming in the way and i got so bad like the swells are huge up there so i got real bad seasick
01:00:44.120and so with the breath i turned to breathe and then i was basically sick underwater then i turned
01:00:49.760to breathe at the same time the problem was is i was swimming with a tailwind so these waves were
01:00:54.200coming behind me so i quickly realized that the tides and currents were pushing my own sick as
01:00:59.660fast as i could swim it was just sticking with you yeah so i'm trying to out swim my own sick
01:01:05.300and it's just i'm just bathing in it like like that just like with it all washing over me
01:01:10.360so it's knowing was that before or after you swam in the poop and again that was before okay that
01:01:17.920was before so i mean i was having a rough time but yeah it's it's knowing that like how your
01:01:25.920body's going to interact with that and like i said getting wintered it's adversity training but you
01:01:30.160know you've done that you've gone to those deep waters before you get there you know and i think
01:01:34.300too often people people won't do that they won't do those vo2 tests where you're left dribbling you
01:01:38.840won't do strength deficit tests but you need to know what material you're using and what you're
01:01:43.120working with you know if you've not got a big vo2 cool at least you know it yeah yeah if you're if
01:01:48.460you're going to do any sort of uh physical feat of that magnitude you definitely got to be as
01:01:54.800prepared as possible because because i mean at what point are you quite literally just gambling
01:01:59.140with your life have you have you felt like a life or death scenario yeah do you know what you're so
01:02:04.940right there's been times where it's just like and that's actually the the whole theme of the book
01:02:09.340where it's i say that resilience is the strategic management of suffering what i mean by that is
01:02:14.620it's not just about kind of going way gung-ho and going for it's like limiting limitations
01:02:19.540research and restrictions and thinking like is this even safe because yeah there was there was
01:02:23.900probably like a few times i mean they lost me in the um in the caribbean when i was um towing the
01:02:29.080tree so they lost me at night and i could see them but i was like guys i'm over here and they
01:02:34.200had the big flashlight like that out and i was like if they don't see me i've got a long way to
01:02:38.860well i was in between two caribbean islands so i was i you know i was like this doesn't end well
01:02:45.600for me fortunately they found me but yeah there's been a few times uh you know shouting out not
01:02:51.120knowing if it was a shark a dolphin um you know whale you know that then you you've got to make
01:02:57.240peace with the fact that it's like this is within the hierarchy of the sea if that was my time to
01:03:02.860go there's probably not a lot i could do about it if a shark was like dude you're gonna fight
01:03:06.280off a shark if anyone's gonna punch a shark in the face and wait it's you not even a question
01:03:10.560well have you gone through um a situation like that in your head are you fully prepared to
01:03:15.740duke it out with a shark if need be yeah it gets your mind goes to some weird places for sure yeah
01:03:21.580yeah so when i talked about like being left alone with my own thoughts for like 12 hours a day yeah
01:03:25.820all of a sudden you see something out the corner of your eye and you're just like but if and what's
01:03:30.700crazy is if i kept on getting out and stopping going oh shit get the light was that a shark was
01:03:34.660it not i'm not making any progress so it's weird that like but in the british waters you know you0.92
01:03:39.440know that like there's not really anything that's going to do that much damage yeah yeah that's what
01:03:44.740they say, man, but if I can't see it, I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, that, that you've
01:03:52.000got to just think stoically and remove because you think, okay, am I being overcautious? Am I
01:03:57.520talking myself out of this now? Or was that just kind of, you know, something out of the corner
01:04:01.680of my head that I don't have to worry about. So it's just your mind will play so many tricks on
01:04:06.720you. But the, but being overcautious isn't necessarily a bad thing. I get not letting
01:04:12.640the torment of being too cautious ruined the endeavor yeah but like for me if i'm gonna be
01:04:20.680if i'm gonna go in and start swimming and be like even semi-cautious there would be a point
01:04:25.460like what you said where it's like okay this is this is now hindering my um my goal so have you
01:04:31.640have you accepted fully on accepted the idea that things could end horribly yeah i do you know i
01:04:40.360think i have like not this is going to sound weird and not to go too much like into it but i love what
01:04:44.720you were talking about like about um positive visualization you know when you're running you
01:04:48.500see your hand above your head you know you've won um one thing with the royal marines that they
01:04:52.900talked about with me when i was doing my swim they said have you done negative visualization
01:04:56.840you know a form of stoic philosophy that they'll use i'll be like why would i want to think about
01:05:00.760the bad things and they were like because you need to know that if it goes completely tits up
01:05:06.860that you're still going to be okay you know so the worst case scenario think about it how bad
01:05:11.280it could get and then when it happens at least you've kind of gone oh okay i thought this would
01:05:15.100happen and i was like i don't really want to think about it like that and then this is where they
01:05:19.020said to me they said ross you need to think like a ninja and i was like right i'm in like wait you
01:05:26.020got me yeah and they said like a ninja was so feared and revered because they would made peace
01:05:31.520with the fact that an honorable death in battle was just like okay you got me you killed me so
01:05:36.200they weren't thinking about that they were just thinking about swinging their sword more efficiently
01:05:39.940than the opponent so if you've got an opponent who's kind of like nervous and a bit rigid and
01:05:44.440they're like you know but no ninja's just like no i'm just thinking of the process you know the
01:05:48.720process is their own reward i'm there and i'm swinging my sword better but i've made peace
01:05:52.520with the fact that if i die i die you yeah i think you ross you talked sorry you talked a little bit
01:05:57.300earlier about about this journey and about how you're you're not different than other people
01:06:02.140you just decided to go on the journey. And I think that was really, uh, kind of indicative
01:06:07.880of what you're talking about. And you talk about this eudaimonia. Do you feel to, to, uh, to an
01:06:12.800extent that the peace that you have with, uh, with potentially losing your life or having something
01:06:19.520drastically bad happen as a result of one of these things is tied to the fact that you went
01:06:23.880on that journey that you've already completed so many things in this life and that you feel
01:06:28.700pretty damn good about the place that you're in right now yeah weirdly yeah weirdly not not like
01:06:35.160i do not have a death wish at all but i also think it's just this idea of kind of you know
01:06:40.100get busy living or get busy dying you know so there is this idea that yeah you i could be this
01:06:44.940old uh you know 80 year old in my rocking chair you know sitting there going like oh i've led the
01:06:50.400best life i've wrapped myself in bubble wrap you know and i've got kind of got nothing you know
01:06:54.420chauffeur i think it was hunter s thompson who was like you need to go into the grave like skidding
01:06:58.120sideways on fire yeah yeah exactly and i you know i'm the same people like a lot you know i've got
01:07:04.480scars down my body from like pulling the car like you know my neck like tongue's growing back
01:07:08.700thankfully um but there was loads of these things that when people were like was it worth it i'm
01:07:14.200like yeah i'm gonna be like a crazy old man if i make it that far and just just being like you
01:07:19.880know what he lived and i can't remember who it was now i think it might have been socrates that
01:07:23.660that they were just like life's long enough um if it's lived fully and i and i'm like yeah no and
01:07:29.560again not this is getting a bit too deep but with with einstein like people don't know with with
01:07:34.420einstein when he had um and i can't it might have been a heart condition i'm butchering this story
01:07:38.900slightly but he they said we can treat it we can treat your heart condition um you know there is
01:07:43.520things that we can do we can do surgery and everything and he just said like no like what's
01:07:46.940the point in artificially trying to extend my life like i've done my bit you know it's cool
01:07:52.120and i just think that's it's no it's noble it's also kind of fucking scary like like for me
01:08:00.100this is fascinating when i was early 20s a mid-20s nominal man when i was early 20s uh i
01:08:07.740really i mean when i say like i made peace with the idea of dying i was like this is it i'm gonna
01:08:13.120go as hard as i as i can um death is death i've lived a sick life like 22 23 i'd done everything
01:08:18.780i wanted to do and 24 25 it changed i want to live forever i want to live forever now like i
01:08:26.340started falling in love with this idea of life so i don't know how how apt i am to go swimming in
01:08:33.060in deep dark water where i can't see what's underneath me because although it's although
01:08:38.020it's insane and crazy and would do wonders for me as a human yeah i'm not sure if i'm willing to0.99
01:08:47.340take a leap like that and for that reason your balls are much bigger than yours no do you know0.99
01:08:55.220what though you're you're right and this i think this is a whole other podcast though because it0.98
01:08:58.960does it does fascinate me and again i'd be lying if i said i haven't thought about this in the 157
01:09:03.560days where i was just left with my thoughts you know your mind goes to some strange places but
01:09:08.180one thing that i think is strange like with my tongue and like losing parts of my body and
01:09:12.720everything like that it's weird that you uh for those of you like ran our finds greatest living
01:09:18.140explorer there is amazing and he um there's a story about when he he might have come back from
01:09:23.480everest i can't remember what it was now but he basically uh had frostbite in his fingers
01:09:27.980and um they were like you're probably going to lose your fingers and he was like no no no no
01:09:32.000like i think they'll be okay and they were like no we might have to amputate and he was like no no
01:09:35.280like let me keep them and i'll see if they basically the blood comes back and they come
01:09:38.860back to life long story short he got back home uh got in the bath a nice warm bath and they
01:09:45.260basically thawed um and then fell off no he left he left them this gets worse he left them
01:09:54.160on the side of the bath carried on washing himself finished his bath and everything like that
01:09:59.280uh went downstairs his wife then went upstairs and was just like for god's sake i've told you
01:10:05.220to stop leaving fingers in the back so there was there was an element of that going through my head
01:10:14.160I was like you know hey look if my tongue is the penance that I have to pay to swim around
01:10:21.060Great Britain you know it would be trickier now to speak to you guys but it was it was a price
01:10:26.760that I was willing to pay you know that I was for me for me anyway and some people are like that's0.99
01:10:31.380not look i like my tongue but i was like you know what i don't need all of it so yeah fucking0.94
01:10:37.600badass dude that's that's that's what it is you're just that's the easiest way to explain it i think0.96
01:10:41.760a lot i think people like us will always sit in awe of people like you and just wonder what it0.97
01:10:45.680is that makes it makes you so different you're a fucking badass bro that's it i think what gets0.86
01:10:52.140i did once gets weird as well like even now looking at like um you know the wanderlust gene0.97
01:10:56.720So they've actually identified a gene that like 20%, I believe, of the population have, where they have a lower sensitivity to dopamine. So they need to basically lead a bolder lifestyle to satisfy, you know, those needs. If you look at the anthropology of this humans, dating back to when we were believed to be in Africa, you know, it was probably that 20% who went, hang on, like, what's over the horizon? You know, like, you go take a peek, you know, but there was equally those people who didn't. And that's, that's fine.
01:11:24.600but I think it manifests itself in, in different ways. You know, speaking to you guys with what
01:11:29.920you've done, you all must have an element of that. Maybe not for basking shots.
01:11:35.560We make jokes. We make jokes about this. And I've noticed, uh, I've, I've gotten numb to like a lot
01:11:41.360of things. Uh, I feel like I've lived a lot of lives. I've had a lot of wins, a lot of failures.
01:11:45.740And so I've, I'm, I'm, I'm numb to a lot of things. And I've noticed that I'll do things
01:11:51.300literally just so i can have that spike of adrenaline that dopamine hit wake me up in the
01:11:56.160morning like i love doing stunts in the morning this isn't a joke it'll it'll be the first thing0.86
01:12:00.380i do in the morning i'll fucking jump off a balcony or or anything to wake me up and get0.77
01:12:05.340me going like it it excites me it brings me back to life revitalizes me yeah i get it i get it and0.86
01:12:11.280i do you know i think i'm guilty of that as well so now when people because like swimming around
01:12:15.400great britain was never on anyone's radar because it was just like it's just like who would do that
01:12:19.140now we've done that yeah i'm like it sounds weird but even like i remember the first week i was back
01:12:24.220on land and i'm sat there on like you know with a with a globe and my girlfriend just came in she
01:12:28.940was like what are you doing and i was just like you know just looking at other countries she's
01:12:33.900just like no no so she's i promised i wouldn't do anything stupid but for i think i said two years
01:12:40.480but that's running out now so i'm almost at the point where next you know what what is next do
01:12:45.620know there's been a few i mean you know there's been a few ideas thrown around so i'll tell you
01:12:51.380guys uh you know off sort of you'll be the first to yeah you'll be the first to know publicly but
01:12:57.160there's been some that have been thrown around that i'm just a bit like yeah like that that
01:13:01.340excites me for a higher purpose like i spoke about before yeah and and and that's what's
01:13:06.480you know so cool that when you can sit around like you guys are as a team you sit around and
01:13:10.600you're just like okay what can we do how can we use this platform i think it's the same that when
01:13:14.680you know i i'm at gym chart hq on there chatting to the guys like drawing a parallel to like jack
01:13:19.700cousteau who pioneered scuba diving like you know aqualung and just made like you know documentaries
01:13:25.620wrote books and and improved ocean literacy you know improve our understanding of the oceans and
01:13:30.380i'm just like yes like that if i could dedicate my life to that and just like swim around countries
01:13:36.360and float and just like smash like 15 000 calories i'm like that that is a life of eudaimonia so it's
01:13:43.160nice to have found that yeah because i think a lot of people don't and i hope people listening
01:13:48.120they start asking their question like what what is it what's their pilgrimage what's their
01:13:52.420akugaki yeah or just quickly to come back to what you said as well logan have you heard of the term
01:13:58.040ikugai a japanese term uh yeah well uh where have i heard that why have i heard that ikugai
01:14:02.920what is it it's basically they believe so it was created on an island where they had more people
01:14:09.720that was where that's where okay i literally just heard this
01:14:14.480really our videographer he just made a video about this or with this concept amazing yeah
01:14:20.620amazing so yeah basically just this idea that they have more uh people living over 100 where
01:14:26.080this term was originated on an island than anywhere else in the world and they kind of
01:14:29.540came over and there was like fresh food and and vegetables and everything like that but this one
01:14:33.580thing that they had in this this culture was this if a guy and they said what is it and it's
01:14:37.620looking back through history maslow's hierarchy you know self-actualization you start looking at
01:14:42.740like aristotle talked about you know intellectual eudaimonia you know but the the japanese and i
01:14:48.280love this they just said it's your sense of purpose it's your reason for being it's why
01:14:51.400you get up in the morning and it's made up of four things it's what you're good at what the
01:14:55.960world needs what you can be paid for and what you enjoy doing and if you hit those four things
01:15:01.640that's your ikigai that's that's perfect that's why you get up every morning but loads of people
01:15:07.000I think miss out on certain parts so for me you know it was kind of looking at the swim and it
01:15:12.180was like what I can be paid for it was like you know not many people thought it was possible so
01:15:16.320I had like nobody wanted to give me any money so I was just like fine I'll do it on my own
01:15:20.320so that was missing you know it was I loved it it was what I was good at and and it inspired a lot
01:15:25.540of people to go on to do their things so it was nice in terms of that but I was kind of missing
01:15:29.280to talk honestly you know the commercial aspect because you can't then be a martyr
01:15:34.700doing it with with no money so you need to monetize it because otherwise it's not a lifestyle you can't
01:15:40.520live it yeah and i think that's what's so good with what you just described that really and truly
01:15:44.920with your projects as a team you guys are collectively going is this an ica guy is it what
01:15:51.220the world needs can we be paid for it yeah probably is it what the one is and i think that's where
01:15:55.080you're you're moving to see your evolution from you know the boxing and everything like that now
01:15:59.720it feels like that's where you guys are heading it's amazing to see i think if most people followed
01:16:03.900that not to sound too cheesy the world would be a better place i totally agree totally agree yeah
01:16:08.260if you can get a series of uh the ikigai and and again that's just the sweet spot it can it leads
01:16:14.640to only only good things yeah 100 but i just think people miss out on that what the world needs as
01:16:20.040well you know and that's that's certainly with with future sort of swims i'm just kind of like
01:16:24.680yeah if it's what if it's what the world needs yep then sign me up if it's an ikigai sign me up
01:16:29.060done totally yeah well yo listening to you speak now and ryan garcia on our podcast i i think i
01:16:35.920might become a gym shark athlete but you are sponsored by gym shark if you guys want to check
01:16:50.600out gym sharks products click the link in the description uh their stuff's awesome and obviously
01:16:55.560they have awesome people people on their uh lexicon so ross appreciate you bro thank you
01:17:00.960for joining us thanks ross thank you guys thanks for having me right and like i said i'll send you
01:17:05.740an invite scotland permanent invite spare goggles and i'll get the battered deep fried chocolate as
01:17:10.420well let's go please do uh where can they follow you on instagram uh and what where can they buy
01:17:15.320your book uh yeah so instagram and then uh oh tomorrow uh actually it comes out on audio um
01:17:21.880And then it's available on Amazon in America in a few weeks.
01:17:27.100And in, I think, UK and Australia, it's out now.
01:17:31.060So with everything that's kind of happening with COVID,
01:17:32.620it's kind of been a little bit delayed,
01:17:33.740but it's basically coming out, you know, right now.
01:17:35.960So yeah, guys, thank you so much for letting me chat about that
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