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00:02:12.340 Our guest today, one of the greatest professional wrestlers of all time.

00:02:16.580 Shawn Michaels. 0.98

00:02:17.980 Let's cut the s***. 0.99

00:02:18.740 You saw me work today. 0.99

00:02:19.800 Am I going to beat Roman Reigns in Saudi Arabia?

00:02:21.660 Come on, look, come on.

00:02:22.620 What was that?

00:02:23.300 You've got to have a little bit of a screw loose.

00:02:25.080 Clearly you've got that. 1.00

00:02:26.180 That's what you guys invented to suck it 1.00

00:02:29.480 Bro, I was in high school doing suck 1.00

00:02:30.740 I didn't even know where it came from 0.98

00:02:31.880 I do my best to come across well 0.99

00:02:34.540 But I am white trash 0.98

00:02:35.660 I actually had something to bring to the table 0.99

00:02:38.500 You are the table

00:02:40.100 I am the table

00:02:41.060 You do understand, like, in this business

00:02:42.760 The table never ends up

00:02:44.020 I don't know why I said it

00:02:45.560 I'm the table

00:02:56.180 How's everybody feeling today?

00:02:57.720 I feel fantastic.

00:02:58.840 Me too.

00:02:59.040 And I'll tell you why.

00:03:00.180 I kind of walked into this arena realizing that we are shooting in an arena.

00:03:05.840 We're in the NXT arena.

00:03:07.060 This has got to be one of the coolest places we shot at.

00:03:09.340 I would say probably, yeah.

00:03:10.240 Yeah, 100%, right?

00:03:11.140 Maybe number one, yeah.

00:03:11.600 We got an audience as well, a live audience.

00:03:15.640 Audience of Prime. 1.00

00:03:17.160 They're useless. 1.00

00:03:18.900 We just sit there so stupid and stoic. 1.00

00:03:21.460 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:03:22.220 I haven't seen them applaud once.

00:03:25.200 Prime's over there.

00:03:25.900 so listen guys um here we are it's it's uh it's a show it's let me let me just say this before

00:03:34.440 you get into it you just got in you already trained today right for three hours with our

00:03:40.460 guest amazing me and george were doing a little bit of training of our own this morning training

00:03:45.660 not dying in the environment that we were put in today at our hotel they decided that they wanted

00:03:52.620 to when we walked in they said we just want to let you guys know we're just doing some light

00:03:57.900 renovations just some light renovations so the gyms close and so is the pool we said no problem

00:04:03.240 no problem i hear light renovations i think maybe a guy you know whistling

00:04:06.940 painting a wall yeah or fixing the light fixtures yeah some light renovations jack

00:04:16.740 jackhammers yeah jackhammers not on some bougie 10 floor down type jackhammers they put me 0.94

00:04:23.200 purposely on the same floor as they decided yo you know what we don't really fuck with the patio 0.94

00:04:30.960 anymore we're gonna build a pool today they are jackhammering a swimming pool outside of my hotel 0.58

00:04:37.520 room so then i have a question for you george yes please what is louder the jackhammers or mike uh

00:04:42.680 The jackhammers, bro

00:04:43.800 It was bad

00:04:44.980 No, it was like

00:04:46.660 We can't even joke about it

00:04:48.080 Like, I honestly went down

00:04:49.680 And I go, guys

00:04:50.200 How are you open?

00:04:51.340 Like, how is anybody

00:04:52.400 Even sleeping here?

00:04:53.860 And you know, they tell us

00:04:54.420 I go, renovations

00:04:55.560 I go, no, no, no

00:04:56.100 I got it

00:04:56.480 That's their answer

00:04:57.040 But like, could you guys

00:04:57.980 Do something about it?

00:04:58.600 Oh, it's that bad?

00:04:59.540 Oh, my God

00:05:00.000 Well, can I tell you the problem?

00:05:02.900 Yes

00:05:03.120 No offense

00:05:03.960 Everyone who lives here

00:05:05.120 We're in Orlando 0.99

00:05:06.320 What the fuck are we doing here? 0.99

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00:05:29.520 They're coming fast 0.99

00:05:31.440 They're coming fast

00:05:33.200 I don't know how I like how I said that 1.00

00:05:34.960 You think the NUKBOYS come fast? 1.00

00:05:38.660 They can't come faster than you guys 0.99

00:05:40.240 I don't know

00:05:40.520 I don't think so

00:05:41.920 You guys come fast

00:05:42.920 Well him and Jake

00:05:44.540 It's like a known thing 1.00

00:05:45.700 What the fuck man 1.00

00:05:47.120 I've heard 1.00

00:05:47.300 Not if I love someone

00:05:49.900 That's not what I heard man

00:05:51.380 What

00:05:51.920 Dude I'm in that group chat

00:05:54.980 With

00:05:55.580 We talk about

00:05:56.780 Your girl dude 1.00

00:05:57.280 And she hit me 1.00

00:05:57.800 And she's like bro 1.00

00:05:58.340 Do you know those Roman wipes 1.00

00:05:59.580 You're always promoting 1.00

00:06:00.640 On your channel

00:06:01.360 Oh my gosh

00:06:03.360 No it's not true

00:06:04.400 You gotta believe me

00:06:06.460 Should we bring on the guest

00:06:08.020 Yeah

00:06:08.340 Probably

00:06:08.640 Yeah it probably makes sense

00:06:09.860 This is actually incredible, guys.

00:06:12.220 Our guest today is considered one of the greatest professional wrestlers of all time.

00:06:19.140 He is the former WWE champion, top guy, and face of the company,

00:06:22.780 and most recently serves as the, get this, WWE Vice President of Talent Development Creative,

00:06:29.200 who I currently train with, sort of, today.

00:06:31.880 It is the Heartbreak Kid, Shawn Michaels.

00:06:36.140 He's got a long way to walk.

00:06:37.880 I know.

00:06:38.140 Why don't we put him outside the ring?

00:06:39.860 No, because it's an important moment.

00:06:41.500 Look at that.

00:06:42.320 This is cool.

00:06:42.940 Look at that.

00:06:46.660 What's up, man?

00:06:48.240 Here we go.

00:06:50.120 Is it weird shaking hands and having them sit here 0.94

00:06:52.160 after you guys just beat the shit out of each other for three hours? 0.83

00:06:54.560 No, no, no. 0.53

00:06:54.980 So he trained me today,

00:06:57.200 and I was able to absorb knowledge from one of the greatest.

00:07:01.500 I don't physically get bounced around and stuff.

00:07:03.420 Those days are behind me.

00:07:04.780 You know what I mean?

00:07:05.240 I have a stand-in.

00:07:07.280 I explain a lot of stuff, you know,

00:07:09.240 Describe how cool it's supposed to look

00:07:10.760 And I have a stand and come in

00:07:12.960 And go like okay now go down

00:07:14.420 Like a stunt double

00:07:16.860 I mean you've been doing it forever

00:07:19.020 And I'll tell you from

00:07:21.000 Experience and especially today

00:07:22.800 That you saw 1.00

00:07:23.720 This shit hurts and it's hard 1.00

00:07:26.620 Yeah well look 1.00

00:07:28.080 As we talked about

00:07:29.600 From the day you're born

00:07:32.300 You're taught

00:07:33.500 Every time you fall down

00:07:35.060 What we do is

00:07:38.860 the last thing you want to do you're taught your whole life not to do that but again for us and

00:07:43.180 it and it's attacking the mat like not just do it yeah but really do it yeah you know what i mean

00:07:48.200 so that's what we're working on today do your best to put yourself in pain which is which is

00:07:52.180 it's it's it's so counterintuitive you like you're supposed to just hit things and go and attack as 0.99

00:07:58.700 hard as you can and in my mind it doesn't make any sense but i mean sean let's cut the shit 0.99

00:08:04.140 you saw me work today 0.99

00:08:06.080 you trained with me

00:08:07.360 am I going to beat Roman Reigns in Saudi Arabia

00:08:09.880 in November 5th crown jewel

00:08:10.980 come on

00:08:12.720 what was that mean

00:08:14.600 what are you doing

00:08:16.100 because you put me big on the spot

00:08:18.280 like am I going to beat him 1.00

00:08:19.520 damn 1.00

00:08:21.280 what the fuck man 1.00

00:08:23.600 this is number 3 right 0.99

00:08:26.500 for you like in my third one

00:08:28.760 am I going to beat one of the best of all time

00:08:30.960 well I mean

00:08:31.520 And, you know, cut me some slack.

00:08:35.200 He told us.

00:08:35.780 Well, I'm just saying, I mean, it took me 10 years,

00:08:38.880 and, you know, I'm one of the greatest of all time.

00:08:41.240 And not that you can't get there, but at number three,

00:08:43.580 I think you're going to do fantastic.

00:08:45.520 All kidding aside, honestly, so from the first time I saw you at Mania,

00:08:49.380 you know what I mean?

00:08:49.920 You can see the work you put in.

00:08:52.940 You know what I mean?

00:08:53.340 And you're a gifted athlete.

00:08:55.660 You have a natural ability.

00:08:57.100 And, and, and clearly, you know, the boxing very different from this, right.

00:09:02.220 As you're figuring out. Yeah. Um, and this is, this,

00:09:05.460 this has got a number of different dynamics to it that make it very different

00:09:08.920 than football, baseball, basketball. Oh yeah. And then, and then of course,

00:09:12.840 boxing, even, you know, like the MMA stuff again, this is,

00:09:16.260 this is sort of controlled violence and, and look, it's, it's,

00:09:20.900 it's difficult to pick up, but the thing is you've transitioned into it pretty

00:09:24.940 well but what you found out today is

00:09:26.920 the uh you know again you can

00:09:28.980 do a lot of the cool flashy moves you

00:09:30.940 can execute a lot of stuff

00:09:32.320 um but going about it with that

00:09:35.000 reckless abandon and trusting

00:09:36.760 in the training you've done you find that's

00:09:39.080 the hardest part you know what I mean and

00:09:40.800 understanding the difference between

00:09:43.080 getting hurt and

00:09:45.160 getting injured getting injured

00:09:47.000 we don't want getting hurt

00:09:48.840 you might as well accept that's gonna happen 100%

00:09:51.220 yeah I saw you after

00:09:52.820 your last couple matches you're

00:09:54.820 banged up like this is real real stuff going on in that ring well what we were talking about today

00:10:00.200 is and and and that reckless abandon and commitment to the craft that that you mastered is like these

00:10:07.500 matches last forever you know they're filmed and and people watch them for the rest of time

00:10:13.240 i can take a little pain i just ideally if the technique is right and my partner is working with

00:10:18.860 me the way uh you know we're supposed to we're not leaving with torn acls broken bones concussions

00:10:24.800 discussions yeah well no and i'll say this because that's like when we started obviously

00:10:29.820 you didn't know it was going to last forever and at one time it didn't but now again with

00:10:34.840 you know and i say because i'm the old guy you know like your generation actually mike's the

00:10:39.700 old guy we'll get into that but it is but it does it does last forever you know what i mean and and

00:10:46.100 and you want it to be good yeah you know i mean you want it to be representative of and look like

00:10:50.340 i said you've done you've jumped into a lot of stuff but you jump in all the way and i guess

00:10:55.240 that's the thing when when you decided you wanted to come down here i guess i just figured like look

00:10:59.540 it's it's it's one thing to want to do it it's another thing to try to you know when i said

00:11:05.340 you got to have a little bit of a screw loose clearly you've got that but again but that's

00:11:11.040 haven't met his brother yet but that's the key that's the key it's it's what it's what i said

00:11:17.820 And I said, we're all here because we're not all there.

00:11:21.400 Which holds true for this group, too.

00:11:23.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:23.720 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:24.120 That's a great line.

00:11:25.320 That is a great line.

00:11:26.300 Did you write that?

00:11:27.560 I stole it.

00:11:28.180 Was that like Hunter S. Thompson or something like that?

00:11:29.240 I stole it from Jake Paul.

00:11:32.200 You stole it from somebody.

00:11:32.780 All great stuff is stolen from somebody.

00:11:34.180 You feel like an artist, baby.

00:11:35.260 Sean, I was going to say to you, speaking of being around forever,

00:11:38.720 I was nine years old.

00:11:40.720 I think it was WrestleMania 10, ladder match, Razor Ramon.

00:11:43.320 Yeah.

00:11:44.780 Yeah.

00:11:45.140 you were a hero of mine i was a razor guy my best friend matt growing up was a a sean guy 0.97

00:11:52.080 sean michaels i've been sweet chin musicked so many fucking times off the side of couches 0.70

00:11:58.820 you know in the pillows and from the age of nine to where i am now at 37 a lot has happened in my 0.95

00:12:07.520 life i'm clinging on for life to be honest with you how are you still alive bro how are you still

00:12:17.580 alive and by the way looking great what is your skin regimen that's what i want to know

00:12:24.340 well look first of all yeah well again i've tried look there's a physical aspect of what i did that

00:12:30.960 i wonder if i'm still alive and then there's a you know a lifestyle aspect that i look that's why

00:12:36.520 i'll say this that's why i'm you know i'm so appreciative you know of the job i do you know

00:12:41.360 i'm i'm very mr nostalgic and and loving and you know i'm way into the romance of this job

00:12:47.820 and even doing this like look again you guys are like you're one of the coolest dudes in the world

00:12:53.820 i'm like in real life such a square you know i'm i'm country bumpkin you know i mean i am so mag

00:12:59.820 wheels on a dump truck again wearing this trying i'm trying to look nice and uh and do my best to 0.95

00:13:04.940 come across well but i am i am you know white trash i mean to be perfectly honest they know 0.69

00:13:11.360 very much what that means but i'm just saying again to it is to have survived yeah everything

00:13:18.700 you know what i mean and now and now getting to to do this help the next generation and then have

00:13:23.220 a dude like you come in and get i don't know i get to help with again with something really huge

00:13:28.420 that you're going to be doing dude this is all a gift for me the goalposts have moved so many times

00:13:33.140 for me i started before it was worldwide i wanted to be a southwest heavyweight champion it was like

00:13:41.160 when it was small territory days my idea of fame was going to be like going to laredo going to

00:13:46.460 corpus christi going to waco and then getting to perform in san antonio and then one day walking

00:13:51.220 down the mall and everybody knowing who i was to you know i mean i went on a i went on a trip to

00:13:58.840 some crazy place in africa small town and the entire airport swarmed me you know what i mean

00:14:06.660 and i had no idea why they were doing it and then all of a sudden they're all coming towards me 0.96

00:14:10.800 even the guys left the security you know i mean coming over because the wwe has gotten so big

00:14:16.760 and you know i mean again i was a kid that wanted to get noticed going down the mall

00:14:20.240 you know what i mean and so again for me it's all it's been a freaking dream you've you've

00:14:26.280 exceeded your own expectations far beyond you could ever imagine you know what i mean and again

00:14:30.620 like i said and then so at first i get it and then i practically screwed up you know what i mean by

00:14:36.740 living a lifestyle not exactly the healthiest well looking back on it now being on the other side

00:14:41.960 you can you know i have to be careful about glorifying it because you do a lot of stuff that

00:14:47.000 like nobody will ever do you know what i mean and they go like holy cow that must have been really

00:14:51.120 cool rock star and you go like you know i mean like on one you don't want to say like it was

00:14:57.840 pretty it's pretty cool because you know because you don't want them going down that road yeah but

00:15:03.140 at the same time you know you almost screw it all up and then you get a second chance

00:15:07.280 you know what i mean to come back right all those wrongs end it differently end it on your own terms

00:15:13.380 would you do it differently if you could go back in time look so here's the here's the part where

00:15:19.160 i always get conflicted in that i would love to be able to go back do it the right way and have it

00:15:24.920 all turn out as well as it did the one the one thing i wonder though is i don't know if i could

00:15:30.400 have got to that place that we were talking about where you're off enough you know what i mean i'm

00:15:35.040 naturally a conservative quiet shy person i don't know if i'd have been able to get there

00:15:41.740 to that crazy place that shocks me if i didn't go down yeah that life loosened you up you know

00:15:47.800 what i mean yeah you know i'm not sure i'd have been able to go there yeah you know what i mean

00:15:51.980 as we were talking about you know what i mean i watched your you know some of your stuff and

00:15:56.020 that's the thing you're uninhibited yeah you're ready to go there you gotta have that to do this

00:16:00.060 job i got a little of it i just don't know if i'd have been able to just not care this podcast is

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00:17:18.540 I just do want to get just context

00:17:20.660 Yeah go ahead

00:17:21.880 For people who are listening and maybe

00:17:24.120 Aren't Shawn Michael fans or

00:17:26.220 Don't know what we're talking about here so

00:17:27.760 You were one of the most prolific

00:17:30.180 And best wrestlers the WWE

00:17:32.620 Has ever seen especially your

00:17:34.440 Showmanship and which is why I say

00:17:36.360 It's shocking you know when you say you're

00:17:38.140 More of like a subdued relax like 1.00

00:17:40.240 Shy guys

00:17:41.140 Google one performance this guy did

00:17:44.160 it is uh it is not i wouldn't describe it like that but at the same time outside of the ring

00:17:52.460 after the match was over right you did have the rock star lifestyle you're quoted saying if we

00:17:57.100 work 300 days a year we partied 290 party drugs painkillers for the injuries and and a slew of

00:18:03.640 ups and downs you got you got you got kicked out of the wwe after your first match after your first

00:18:09.200 match ever no for getting in a bar fight well so it got exaggerated a bit like everything wrestling

00:18:15.420 does but look we we were yeah we got hired like wow we're finally here and of course you know

00:18:21.540 somebody like you need to go out with the guys get to know them and everything like josh we don't

00:18:24.560 know like go on go on go out with them so we went out and you know you're trying your best to stay

00:18:30.200 out of trouble but then you know somebody was coming around like come on here you guys are

00:18:34.620 part of yours like no no you're trying to play reserved and like come on and so you go like

00:18:39.020 all right so i i grabbed you know a glass off of the bar and you know smashed it on my head

00:18:45.860 and of course normally well but i was just trying to show like you just you said it like it was so

00:18:52.980 casual well back then i don't know this is a business that was especially then full of some

00:18:59.940 savages man i mean real real men men yeah and and i was i was 22 and you're trying your best to fit

00:19:07.900 in yeah and you feel like that's the way to do it um and then the next day you know it's like

00:19:14.580 that's not gonna work so we were hired we were hired for a day and then we got fired and i can

00:19:20.060 remember uh we're like oh my goodness can we at least make a last-ditch effort uh to you know to

00:19:26.580 talk to you and we were i remember going to the office in stanford uh sitting out there and i've

00:19:31.340 got my you know my cowboy boots on and and you know vince comes out he goes nice boots and i

00:19:38.340 went oh thank you they were made for walking and i was like oh my goodness he goes no i'm just

00:19:44.280 kidding come on in and benny fired us he wasn't kidding he wasn't kidding yeah what year was this

00:19:51.300 1987 oh my god dude different times completely different times that led into what i was talking

00:19:59.880 about earlier like i would consider to be one of the golden eras that you kind of ushered in of

00:20:04.740 wwe and i want to talk more about the road life but i want to ask you quickly uh i know you you

00:20:10.680 probably for business reasons would say that the golden era of wwe is right now probably well look

00:20:16.660 I mean look at that it keeps changing

00:20:18.880 Look we're I mean we're more

00:20:20.820 Prosperous than ever you know what I mean

00:20:22.980 But I think everybody every

00:20:24.780 Generation kind of has their golden era

00:20:26.580 I think you know I mean everybody feels like

00:20:28.860 Theirs was the best I will say

00:20:31.000 That I feel like what we

00:20:32.900 Did was different

00:20:34.900 And innovative because we changed

00:20:36.780 We changed it from what it had been

00:20:38.860 For so long from that traditional

00:20:40.960 Purist to that attitude

00:20:43.060 Yeah where again

00:20:44.560 television was changing more real you know uh real life television you know what i mean where

00:20:49.920 we would pull the curtain back a little bit it wasn't it wasn't so as we would call it pretend

00:20:55.680 it was we started going there and again look not to the extent that you guys do but getting

00:21:01.320 real and some of the storylines that were going on in the back were actually more important and

00:21:07.040 better than the ones we were putting on television so we just started bringing a lot of the truth

00:21:12.080 forward and that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way why why is that i normally normally especially

00:21:18.020 authenticity i feel like you would feel great success because times yeah it was just it was

00:21:23.120 just different times this business was built on you know i don't know just on i don't know again

00:21:29.720 characters well it was trying to convince you again that it was it wasn't entertainment that

00:21:36.940 it was a real fight that you did hate each other and look and and the thing is sometimes that real

00:21:43.160 animosity was there um but sometimes it was between guys that we weren't creating animosity

00:21:50.320 with on television if that makes sense that we just decided like maybe we bring some of that

00:21:54.240 real life problems that we have in the locker room to television again reality tv yeah you know what

00:22:01.700 i mean and not make it so based on complete imagination bring some of the real life stuff

00:22:08.660 that's going forward onto it and also again having to be a little bit more in your face

00:22:12.900 you know i mean the viewer got more sophisticated and smarter you know what i mean and they and

00:22:18.120 they could tell what was like they can tell sort of like what's bs you know what i mean and to

00:22:22.000 your point the authenticity but there was a time you could you could cover that up you could

00:22:26.780 camouflage it but after a while the viewer gets you know conditioned and smarter and wiser and

00:22:33.320 again that rubs people the wrong way change is hard just put it this way when you've been doing

00:22:38.840 something for 20 30 years and people get comfortable they don't like people come in and

00:22:44.640 shaking it up but it's so we were doing it's so needed yeah people get too comfortable and they

00:22:48.820 stay with the same exercise for so long and that's when people get bored and they get tired

00:22:53.160 if you ain't moving forward you're standing still yeah you know plain and simple and that's

00:22:57.820 again but that and that's how we that's how we felt hunter and i you know and you know and razor

00:23:02.860 and you know and nash and so and look austin did i mean there was just many different people

00:23:08.440 and again that were again we're from a different generation we appreciated the traditional format

00:23:14.400 but we recognized television was changing and you have to adapt the product to the television

00:23:19.980 you know what I mean where it's gone from you know arenas and stuff like that that were

00:23:24.440 fun and exciting but now it's a more television based product you know what I mean it is so

00:23:29.800 interesting uh Shane Hurricane Shane Helms who's been coaching me uh throughout this whole process

00:23:35.020 and producing some of my matches um he's right over there he's he said it used to be a it used

00:23:41.480 to be a wrestling or a it used to be a wrestling show that was televised and now it's a television

00:23:50.600 show that has wrestling absolutely and and and the nuances of of where the cameras are and and

00:23:57.120 how subtle you can be sometimes that now exist didn't when when when you guys were exactly well

00:24:02.960 and again you think about it everything was was wide and and again it was more about the moves

00:24:07.720 and the physicality going, you know, on in the ring.

00:24:10.580 But now we can come in close, you know what I mean?

00:24:12.880 And you can, you know what I mean?

00:24:13.920 You can see that, oh, God, what's that look mean?

00:24:16.220 Yeah.

00:24:16.560 You know, and again, it got more Hollywood, I guess.

00:24:20.160 And again, that's something that, you know, the purists, the old time,

00:24:24.720 but, you know, we didn't do that back in my day.

00:24:27.060 And it wasn't as good.

00:24:29.300 You know what I mean?

00:24:30.560 I don't mean that.

00:24:32.260 I mean it respectfully.

00:24:33.420 Of course.

00:24:33.680 But you know what I mean?

00:24:34.080 It's just advancements.

00:24:35.340 And again, look, it's just sometimes people don't take that really well.

00:24:40.080 For sure.

00:24:40.380 Like you said, change is hard.

00:24:41.840 Yeah.

00:24:42.420 I have a question for you.

00:24:43.760 You said that you would want to go into the mall,

00:24:46.360 and I'm guessing this is your hometown, be recognized.

00:24:48.460 Who are you looking up to to be like and try to imitate?

00:24:53.160 Because I'm watching Logan get into this,

00:24:54.840 and all I'm seeing is him taking pieces from people that are great.

00:24:58.780 Who is the great ones that you were trying to turn from?

00:25:01.340 Well, so look, locally, it started with like Wahoo McDaniels and Tully Blanchard.

00:25:06.340 You know what I mean?

00:25:06.720 They were, again, in Southwest Championship Wrestling.

00:25:08.960 They were big guys there.

00:25:10.540 But then, of course, dating myself.

00:25:12.580 But then cable television comes out.

00:25:14.460 And now I'm able to get, you know, WTBS out of Atlanta.

00:25:17.660 And now I see, you know, Ric Flair for the first time.

00:25:21.040 I'm like, oh, my goodness.

00:25:22.440 You know, like, oh, my goodness, he's cool.

00:25:25.120 And Tommy Rich.

00:25:26.340 You know what I mean?

00:25:26.840 Tommy Rich driving the Firebird.

00:25:28.840 You know, down the road, like, oh, my goodness,

00:25:30.760 into the blonde hair and flair on the jet you know with the rolexes and everything else and

00:25:35.720 you're like oh my god that looks like the greatest gig in the world he made the job look so fun you

00:25:40.600 know and then we started getting you know wor tv out of new york and then you see bob backland

00:25:47.240 and you know and you know and and pedro morales and you go like okay that's a whole different kind of

00:25:52.120 genre up there yeah and so again and that's exactly what you do you sit there and now you're

00:25:57.480 exposed to so much more and you go like well a piece of that a piece of this a piece of that and

00:26:02.040 you you know then that's how you begin to mold who you are sure if i were to answer the question look

00:26:06.760 i think i probably stole from a guy like rick flair you know more than anything but i would

00:26:13.240 also throw in again like the rock and roll express ricky morton out of you know out of those two you

00:26:18.360 don't mean the way he got beat up ricky steamboat you know he's you know what we call selling he

00:26:23.000 did that really well you know what i mean and so and then uh you know because i was raised in texas

00:26:29.040 there's a luchador style obviously you know that i just felt that i i thought was flashy and cool

00:26:34.620 and that's again you get you get begin to piece together different you know pieces of people that

00:26:39.820 you like and try to make that your style that's who you pulled you know together to to mold yourself

00:26:46.580 i get the luxury or opportunity to sit and create content with my best friends and with other people

00:26:53.440 even outside the show that i just love to work with but there's a couple of those people that

00:26:56.940 stand out to me as people that make my job easier and are collaborators that make me excel at what

00:27:04.160 i do is there anyone from that brotherhood of the late 80s early 90s that stood out to you as the

00:27:10.540 guy that you wanted to collaborate with the most the person you felt most comfortable creating oh

00:27:15.320 Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, we were known as the clique. You know what I mean? And that was, you know, it was Nash Hall and Waltman. You know what I mean? And we just, we were with each other all the time. We talked business all the time. We, again, we loved it. We were with each, we spent more time with one another than we did, you know, you know, again, for those of them that had families, you know what I mean?

00:27:37.940 uh and and it was we we you ate slept and drank you know this business um and and of course they're

00:27:45.700 your buddies and you're talking about doing stuff together look scott and i razor we worked with

00:27:50.460 each other you know for two years straight probably you know i mean and like the ladder

00:27:55.280 match you spoke of earlier we had done those on a we didn't even you know not that you got a lot

00:28:02.040 of preparation back then there's not as much preparation then as there is now but we're going

00:28:07.280 into this ladder match at Wrestlemania 10 first time they've ever had a ladder match on a pay-per-view

00:28:12.380 we don't have any time to sort of discuss how this is going to go but he and I had worked with each

00:28:19.220 other so many times we had done ladder matches together that we can just go out there we knew

00:28:23.840 each other backwards and forwards you know what I mean I knew where he was going to be every second

00:28:27.840 you know what I mean and it's like what we were talking about earlier you know you start to go

00:28:31.520 you he starts to move a certain way I know where he's going and you get into that dance and that

00:28:36.800 flow that comfortable comfortability you know that uh again that you have with your buddies

00:28:42.540 you know you begin to know one another to at an intimate level and it becomes these almost like

00:28:46.920 micro cues micro expressions that no one else would notice that only you guys have in a secret

00:28:51.980 language and i i obviously am well aware of your relationship with scott over the years and

00:28:57.080 you know obviously uh march one of the most tremendous losses in the history of you know

00:29:02.220 this organization i wanted to ask you you know quickly what um what that was like for you and

00:29:07.000 what that what you know what you went through when that happened well like you know i like

00:29:12.360 obviously in a lot of respects um because scott had a lot of struggles um from our perspective

00:29:19.420 like we looked at it that and again that's not fair um we looked at it as that we got

00:29:25.980 you know a lot of extra time with it you know i mean because we were for a long time really scared

00:29:32.020 that it would have happened, you know, before it did.

00:29:36.740 You know what I mean?

00:29:37.300 So we at least had the opportunity, especially all of us,

00:29:42.360 as we got older, we all got sane, and we made a conscious effort.

00:29:47.660 You know, you don't get to see each other all the time,

00:29:49.760 but, you know, at Hall of Fames and WrestleManias, you know,

00:29:52.660 we always made it a point to spend time with one another.

00:29:55.920 um so it was it was hard uh for sure because it's just you know there's never a right time or a good

00:30:04.840 time um but we were thankful that we got to again because there were times before that

00:30:11.480 heck of a lot harder you know what i mean and times when he was in a lot worse place where

00:30:16.200 we didn't think you know and i guess for us the fear of him being somewhere else i don't know and

00:30:21.460 you know in being alone you know what i mean and stuff like that so you know everybody had you know

00:30:28.140 all the relationships everyone was good with one another him and kev were you know doing

00:30:32.720 appearances and stuff like that with each other it all seemed to be in a good place so it is as

00:30:38.120 best a bad circumstance can be it was kind of that you know what i mean and uh you know again

00:30:45.400 and we did we we we all it's one of those things where you know we got together and it was more

00:30:50.660 you know and it's it's always cliche you talk about we want to not mourn the death but celebrate

00:30:55.660 the life but it really was you know when we were together it was more of a celebration in that

00:31:00.860 respect because you know because we did we all thought like you know what we thought this was

00:31:04.780 going to happen 20 years ago we got an extra 20 you know what i mean and so you know like i said

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00:32:07.500 Back to the program. As someone

00:32:09.580 who also has

00:32:11.360 had struggles in those departments mental health substance abuse you know in my own life i know

00:32:17.200 you have as well had your own struggles and i the reason i was uh wanted to talk about that road

00:32:22.820 life a little bit more with you um we on a level not even comparable to you guys have started to

00:32:29.300 get into this traveling lifestyle and it's a very uh strange lonely life and even though you're with

00:32:37.260 your buddies and you're in the same city as them you find yourself in these hotel rooms in these

00:32:41.780 random and i'm going to bring back some memories for you that you're still having all the time i'm

00:32:45.240 sure these random hotel rooms and these random clubs and these random restaurants and you meet

00:32:49.720 these people and you meet these girls and a lot of it becomes very empty and i i guess i wanted

00:32:56.560 to ask you how much of that road life that that you know exhausting time zone switching constant

00:33:04.140 abuse on your mental and physical health uh contributed to the other demons that started

00:33:09.860 to present themselves over the years well look i mean i have i obviously it had to i i always so i

00:33:16.660 do i always have kind of wondered like i'm what what was it i guess because i was i was i thought

00:33:21.580 i was raised pretty well you know my dad was a military guy but it's not like it was overbearing

00:33:25.800 i had you know my parents stayed together it's a good you know good close family i think for me i

00:33:31.840 was it was more just I just wasn't ready I think for all you know again like I said but you know

00:33:39.140 it got so much bigger than I possibly imagined you know I mean because again I was I just wanted

00:33:44.000 to be the guy in you know in Texas and it got so big and I don't think I was prepared for that

00:33:49.140 and look when everything's said and done I essentially go look I was weak kind of morally

00:33:55.740 or you know what I mean and from a character standpoint I broke down and I guess I was just

00:34:02.040 so curious of what it would be like to I don't know to see what that other side looked like

00:34:07.780 you know what I mean that I thought I would just peek every now and then but then you don't realize

00:34:12.720 you keep telling yourself you know it's not that bad it's not that bad but then before you know

00:34:17.080 it you're up to here you know what I mean and I don't like I said I wish that you know he knows

00:34:21.820 what you mean yeah i started as a weekend warrior myself you know and you know what i mean you tell

00:34:26.920 yourself only do it when i'm on the road you go okay that's great but you're on the road like 280

00:34:30.260 days a year yeah dude that's like you're that's like not you're doing it all the time yeah you

00:34:34.440 know and so and it is you convince yourself of that and again when everything's it's so weird

00:34:39.320 because like now i don't like i can't imagine it feels like oh like an effort if i if i would have

00:34:46.040 to i go to the hotel room all i want to do is get in the bed yeah and lay down and watch tv the idea

00:34:50.860 of getting up and going downstairs

00:34:52.960 and go to the bar like,

00:34:53.680 ugh, that sounds like work.

00:34:55.400 You know what I mean?

00:34:56.240 It is work.

00:34:58.620 Dude, every time I'm drinking

00:34:59.580 is work taxing.

00:35:01.240 I got to reset my,

00:35:03.340 like this grind is just that

00:35:05.500 and it is taxing.

00:35:07.540 But I do appreciate the times

00:35:09.840 when I can separate myself

00:35:11.920 from this a little bit.

00:35:13.080 And especially when you're

00:35:13.860 working that hard like that.

00:35:15.520 I mean, in a weird way,

00:35:16.700 it is a balance.

00:35:18.240 And it keeps you artistic

00:35:20.360 because that's the one thing about this industry that has gotten me hooked um as an outsider now

00:35:27.940 that i see the ins and outs of the business and i and i i really see the beauty in in what i consider

00:35:33.960 an art the story the the physicality the performance it's it's incredible man and you

00:35:41.260 guys you guys have this canvas that we're sitting on now and you can do whatever you want in the

00:35:45.480 most creative ways it's it's it's it's true truly limitless um and and in my journey as a student

00:35:53.280 as I uh continue to try to just be their best wrestler and entertainer I can be I've been

00:35:58.740 watching so many documentaries and I and I watched yours and so many interesting things about it um

00:36:04.220 and I found the relationship that you had with with Hunter uh Paul Levesque Triple H now my boss 0.92

00:36:10.500 incredible right like you you guys you guys invented the suck it which every teenager in 0.51

00:36:17.860 the world that was my life like seriously has done so many times like bro i was in high school 0.99

00:36:23.100 doing suck i didn't even know where it came from what it meant what it meant just suck it 0.88

00:36:27.280 and then it's it's from you you guys you guys pioneered this and um i wanted to ask about 0.99

00:36:34.520 the lifestyle that you were living and hunter's involvement in keeping you on the right track

00:36:44.780 ish like it seemed to me when i was watching this documentary that he was responsible in many ways

00:36:51.740 for making sure that you got to the next show that you even stayed alive sometimes and sometimes

00:36:56.380 having a friend like that is invaluable are you forever grateful for for him yeah absolutely and

00:37:02.460 That's why it sounds cliche, but for he and I, it's ride or die to the end.

00:37:07.280 And, again, he went down here.

00:37:10.700 And, again, just because I came on here.

00:37:16.340 I'll do two hours a day, three days a week.

00:37:20.800 I'm retired.

00:37:21.860 I don't want to do anything.

00:37:22.880 I'll come down to your performance center.

00:37:24.580 I'll talk with people for two hours.

00:37:26.820 Do that Monday through Wednesday.

00:37:28.700 I'm done.

00:37:30.660 And now I'm rushing.

00:37:32.460 vice president working 80 hours a week you know what i mean and but i mean it it's it's the close

00:37:39.140 i tell everybody it's the closest thing i can do to paying him back for what he did for me because

00:37:44.560 again and that's where it is it's where you get and i'll say look that's why i again i was i wait

00:37:48.820 it wasn't even a even a thought to to train with you because i could see that you do understand

00:37:54.560 again it is the art it's the understanding and the appreciation of what it is we do that it is

00:37:59.940 you know it's not that wrestling thing it isn't that it is it is our form of art and an expression

00:38:05.640 of ourselves and the creativity when we're allowed to again create something at that last like you

00:38:11.040 said that lasts for us you know what i mean and that's our way of i don't know whatever it is our

00:38:15.940 way of giving you know our artistic you know uh creativeness to the world you know and it's through

00:38:20.760 this you know this is our muse so to speak and our canvas but uh you know and again you know

00:38:26.680 even when we, you know, I knew it afterwards, but it really, even as you watch, you know,

00:38:32.060 your own documentary and, and you watch it and you realize, you know, cause you know,

00:38:36.240 I'm out for half of it. And then I go back and I see it and I can replay it in my mind. And I

00:38:40.300 realized like, God, I don't know if everybody understands the risk that he took again. He was

00:38:47.080 willing to do that. But again, and I know everybody can only see him now as the head cheese,

00:38:51.120 but he wasn't then you know i mean i was you know the top dude at that time and he was the guy

00:38:59.760 he was you know still waiting for his first break and he was a friend of mine he had you know he was

00:39:05.180 the best friend of the most hated guy in the company and in the business and he never left

00:39:12.140 my side he could have thrown me under the bus at any point saved himself you know what i mean and

00:39:19.220 said hell with it i wasn't even there you know what i mean and he never did it and i and so for

00:39:25.240 me and again that's kind of stuff i can cry about because they go like how can i not give every

00:39:30.920 ounce of myself for whatever it is he needs me to do that's because again that's that's well and

00:39:35.900 from the you know whether it's scott keb i mean that's the one thing that's what we want for each

00:39:41.140 other again again you know you guys know whether you're there or not but for us again it was it

00:39:46.680 was a life with one another where it was it was us you know i mean we didn't have wives and kids

00:39:53.060 and any of that stuff we had each other and again it was our version of whatever wartime it was our

00:39:58.920 time of being in the foxhole with one another yeah in this life and so it just and then you see

00:40:04.540 and you understand and you're old enough to appreciate what he did for you and i go like

00:40:08.520 come on how do i not how do i not i don't know spend the rest of my life you know between you

00:40:14.340 in my family i have two i mean you know i mean and it's great you know you know steph jokes about

00:40:18.980 it my wife's jokes about it which is like you know the road wives other mayors yeah you know

00:40:24.380 what i mean it's it's like you know and my wife does look you know it was you know it was hunter

00:40:28.360 and then hunter traded him off to me and i traded him off to hunter and we each you know depending

00:40:33.080 on which one's on duty that night that's just that's just taking care of sean and getting him

00:40:37.560 through life it's i was talking about content creators and collaborators earlier and people

00:40:42.080 that we love to work with and we have those we all have those in our profession in our career

00:40:47.460 but then we have our friends we have our real real friends and and there's so much just like with you

00:40:53.940 there's so much stuff that goes on in front of the camera and people make their assumptions they look

00:40:59.000 at this show and they look at our content they're like oh this is what their relationships are like

00:41:02.860 but as you know in the real friendships the the greatest part of all of that happens off camera

00:41:09.740 yeah and so what he did for you clearly you recognize that he was a real friend and you

00:41:14.600 guys were real actual brothers yeah i know i had something and again his whole again so his career

00:41:20.640 got hurt numerous times again because of me right you know what i mean and he's still stuck you know

00:41:27.160 what i mean and i don't know and and like i said i just don't know and like i said i just don't know

00:41:32.020 how you uh i don't know nobody else did that you know what i mean again it was so easy to

00:41:36.560 you know what i mean or like i didn't see i don't know you know what i mean and so and again there

00:41:42.000 are times i mean right there and going down and you know and you know i mean you're coming with

00:41:47.160 me yep you know i'm having your back every time and him and hell i don't know probably half the

00:41:52.560 time he's like i don't even think he's right but i'm going anyway you know what i mean yeah i'm 0.65

00:41:56.100 there for you anyway you're dead wrong but i'll go down with you yeah and so ride or die it's like

00:42:03.660 that movie in the town

00:42:05.900 when he goes to the apartment and he's like

00:42:08.040 I can't tell you where we're going

00:42:09.920 but I can only tell you that we're going to hurt

00:42:11.940 some people and you can never talk about it again

00:42:13.780 and he just goes whose car are we taking

00:42:15.740 like that's his answer

00:42:17.400 like the answer is just set it's always built in

00:42:19.960 I got your back no matter what

00:42:21.300 and that's the thing we do we joke about that

00:42:23.480 and again you know it's like you know don't worry

00:42:25.780 they won't find a body

00:42:27.180 you know

00:42:29.300 it's one of those things like yeah whatever

00:42:31.620 you know yeah it's it's the whole it's book casting in sundance kit for sure you know i

00:42:36.260 mean we're going off the we're going off the is there anything you can kind of like squeeze out

00:42:40.580 like a little little some some that you didn't ever say before like maybe like maybe there's 0.79

00:42:44.500 some shit that you're like that can't go out and maybe comes out right now now if there were i 0.88

00:42:50.240 wouldn't be the dude i was but no there is nothing i'm like a vault baby like a vault 0.99

00:42:54.700 no it's it's it's incredible like i i watch that friendship and i i get emotional like that bond

00:43:02.020 is unbelievable and then the fact that now you know 20 30 years 40 years later however long

00:43:07.200 it's been he is in charge he's the boss of wwe and here you are the wwe vice president of talent

00:43:14.820 development creative and that's senior vice president i got an s on the phone oh my god

00:43:21.940 dang so so it's funny because what we were laughing about in the ring today

00:43:26.040 and and i'm like yo you got to be a professional now in many ways right like you you got to be the

00:43:32.800 rock star and the wrestler now you got a corporate position technically you're a suit you're a suit

00:43:38.740 man man things change and i still don't know how i'm doing yet look i think i i hope again i really

00:43:46.020 do i think part of you know and again hunters he's been built and trained and all of that for

00:43:54.120 it you know i haven't but at the same time you know and again i'm i'm i'm developing too down

00:44:00.540 here and it is it's something new um but again i enjoy it i look i i'm clearly different and a bit

00:44:07.580 more i don't know i'm less sharp less distinguished as i mentioned to you i'm more mag wheels on the

00:44:14.080 dump truck you know what i mean it's it's like it's i'm still i've still got it's still a it's

00:44:18.760 still a trailer home but it's a really nice one place i got the night i got the best yeah trailer

00:44:24.440 in the park it's in malibu exactly you know mine's got a really nice fence around you know what i

00:44:31.180 mean and so yeah but uh you know again and but being here and i think my attitude here that you

00:44:39.380 at the training center and nxt it's about youth and it's about fun and i do i do know that i bring

00:44:45.340 that i mean i try again because you know i'm obviously older but i'm i am still a kid inside

00:44:51.560 i don't have a mature bone in my body again i've literally literally tried um but again i think

00:44:58.200 people understand what they're getting with me um but again you're also not i i wouldn't it doesn't

00:45:04.060 bother me if they don't take me to a board meeting or something like that it's probably best

00:45:08.300 it's so it's so funny uh one of the first things he said to me when we met today you could probably

00:45:14.220 guess take a guess you're a lot bigger than i thought you'd be yeah yeah we get every single

00:45:20.720 you're a lot taller but it really was like holy cow you are you know you're a tall kid and i go

00:45:25.340 i go like you know as i do without skipping a beat it's my go-to line i go yeah i'm still a 0.99

00:45:29.600 pussy man yeah and then him without skipping a beat i never see anything like it he goes well 0.93

00:45:34.060 that makes two of us this guy's fantastic we're gonna get along um great company not a problem 0.99

00:45:41.580 yeah for sure but but it's it was also cool for me today to to see and hear that you are learning

00:45:48.940 as a coach because there's a there's a big difference between being a a good athlete

00:45:54.040 and being a good coach even if you were that good athlete and you were describing to me today how

00:46:00.520 oftentimes especially now you're in that position where sean what do i like how do i do this move

00:46:06.580 what is this am i doing this right and a lot of the time for you when you were wrestling it just

00:46:11.420 came instinctually right and so it's it's sometimes hard to what put it put it into words

00:46:15.260 yeah to verbalize it yeah that development as a coach i'm assuming has been yeah well look so the

00:46:20.240 thing is now again in this position it's it's a number of different hats you know it can be coach

00:46:26.540 one second producer the next you know a writer the next you know and i don't you know what i mean

00:46:31.620 so i enjoy that challenge but it is they're all things i can remember years ago again doing you

00:46:39.120 know even in san antonio again a training center and having a small television show there and

00:46:43.560 i got asked you know again are you giving yourself executive producer proof you know credits and i'm

00:46:48.300 like no i mean there's somebody else and well you gave yourself you know writing credits and like

00:46:54.300 yeah no but and he goes you know and it was like are you writing the shows are you doing the

00:46:58.840 backstages are you telling them everything i didn't realize what i had learned being here

00:47:03.740 as you guys now understand you know i mean but you you you learn through television that you know

00:47:08.840 the stuff that they teach in college apparently we've learned on the road doing this over over

00:47:14.560 the years and it's like you know so now you're executive producing you're writing you know you're

00:47:18.900 you're producing this you're you're you know again coaching here all the stuff that just i did

00:47:25.300 naturally and then now having to explain to someone and teach that is an entirely different

00:47:31.300 role you know what i mean because again that's what i was trying to it was mentioned to you

00:47:35.860 you know you you've sort of had the you know the difficult time of learning it sort of in a

00:47:42.100 different just a sort of scattered order as opposed to beginning and then you know i mean

00:47:46.740 and intermediate yeah we had to kind of reverse today and work on fundamentals dog i have bro

00:47:51.460 you started on the top no bro i have no fun i have no fundamentals we're like going through

00:47:55.240 this stuff today like running the ropes taking bumps i'm like i realized like i i just i skipped

00:48:00.480 all the stuff you should start with right so we yeah we reversed today yeah you know i mean just

00:48:05.660 some of the fundamentals you know again the same gotta be the same amount of steps yeah back and

00:48:10.400 forth you know what i mean and but it is again you get you get launched into a tough position

00:48:14.740 especially you know you're athletic you can do all that stuff bang let's do it you know and so

00:48:19.940 you can still get there but again the minute you and again because you pick it up quick the minute

00:48:24.800 you are able to tie that into you know all of the rest of it yeah now now now you're able to start

00:48:31.420 focusing on all the creative and all the other stuff that you enjoy it's just trying to tie

00:48:35.900 those worlds together and again but to know it here but be able to verbalize it to someone i found

00:48:43.700 challenging at the beginning because it was just i don't know i just sort of did it somebody grabbed

00:48:48.700 me and i went yeah you know what i mean but then and they're asking you like but how and why do you

00:48:54.060 do that and of course your answer is like well i don't know yeah seemed like the right thing to do

00:48:59.440 so i did it yeah my god no no i was just saying so again that that that that in and of itself is

00:49:06.060 a learning process of again you can know it but can you express it and teach it you know to someone

00:49:11.580 Are you, by any chance, helping?

00:49:14.400 You're teaching them how to be physical, but is there anybody,

00:49:17.140 you don't have to say any names out of respect for them,

00:49:18.780 but is there anybody that you see acting behind the scenes

00:49:21.800 with maybe substance abuse or something

00:49:23.760 that kind of walked in that same direction that you were walking

00:49:26.420 and you're like, hey, let me coach you not to do that?

00:49:28.800 I don't, I mean, honestly, I don't.

00:49:30.800 And I just think, look, I'll say that from a generational standpoint,

00:49:33.940 I think there are so many kind of horror stories,

00:49:37.960 you know what I mean, that this is a generation

00:49:39.960 that doesn't see it.

00:49:42.180 And this environment here that we have here,

00:49:44.060 we're talking about skilled athletes

00:49:46.180 that are very used to taking care of themselves.

00:49:49.020 I could be wrong.

00:49:50.140 You all know better than me. 0.87

00:49:51.400 I think you're a brighter generation.

00:49:53.080 And I think, again, 1.00

00:49:53.920 well, at least for this way,

00:49:55.420 you are wrong.

00:49:58.440 I think you learn how to do both, though.

00:50:01.200 You know what I mean?

00:50:01.720 I mean, you can have fun,

00:50:02.760 but it doesn't have to be destructive.

00:50:04.060 In this regard, he's right, I think.

00:50:05.940 I don't see many young athletes

00:50:08.180 going off the rails because they watched what happened i do i mean i do i think for sure we

00:50:15.540 learned from the past but i mean if you are going off the rails and and and you know making the

00:50:22.380 mistakes that you shouldn't be there's going to be someone to take your spot it's way too competitive

00:50:27.760 but i will tell you one of the things again so it's not the there's not any of the substance

00:50:32.220 stuff but but just the uh you know the emotional or the again from the ego standpoint or what so

00:50:38.840 because my mind just wasn't you know because one affects the other yeah so then from a professional

00:50:44.240 standpoint like oh you know what you do with me on tv isn't working or you know i don't like this 0.95

00:50:49.180 creatively they don't like it doesn't feel right i don't understand it seems stupid it makes me

00:50:53.080 look this way so and and i am able to at least explain to them like hey first of all trust the

00:51:00.580 process we're all here to help you but when you are expressing there's different ways to be able

00:51:05.520 to express your dissatisfaction you know i mean when you're talking to the head writer you might

00:51:10.380 want to word it like this that way you don't sound like a i feel like there's an opportunity 0.99

00:51:15.180 to improve the verbiage that you've given me what the fuck is this what the fuck is this 0.96

00:51:22.020 well on that note i i can help him in that respect don't do that we had to go through 0.99

00:51:27.600 that exercise a lot well my delivery sucks well no it's over the past few years it's gotten much

00:51:32.700 better but i remember when we first started working together i had to bring my office life

00:51:38.500 over to team maverick because your delivery was flawed i'm still working on and you're doing much

00:51:44.040 better but it comes back to this thing that a lot of people are continuing to have trouble with

00:51:49.320 which is one just because you can say something doesn't mean you always should which is a big

00:51:55.820 thing that we're seeing in society now no i have the right it's my first amendment right to say 0.97

00:51:59.560 doesn't mean you should you can you could say whatever the fuck you want that doesn't mean 0.72

00:52:03.120 you should and then the even more important one it's not always about what you say it's about how 0.81

00:52:07.840 you say it that's you can deliver the the worst scathing criticism to someone but if you say it

00:52:13.880 in the right way it will get received properly and the right outcome will happen as a result of that

00:52:19.160 and so that's how that's those are the kind of things that are strangely hard to teach when you

00:52:25.600 don't have that uh traditional upbringing like you came up in a place where you said whatever 0.95

00:52:29.760 the fuck you wanted to say because you were a superstar and now you've had to go back and kind 0.93

00:52:34.100 of like teach it a different way well he did have a military father so you probably weren't mouthing 1.00

00:52:38.980 off to him no no and that's why i still i call people younger than me sir and ma'am because i

00:52:45.440 still, it's in there.

00:52:47.880 I call people, sir and ma'am,

00:52:50.320 women,

00:52:51.820 especially young women. 1.00

00:52:53.020 They get mad.

00:52:54.500 I'm not a man.

00:52:56.460 I'm sorry, I apologize.

00:52:57.460 Sorry, man.

00:52:59.820 Raised by a colonel in the Air Force,

00:53:01.540 it's just there.

00:53:02.560 Yeah, shorty is what I usually call it.

00:53:05.120 And then you know what they say to me?

00:53:06.380 They're like, dude, I'm taller than you.

00:53:07.780 And I go, that's not fair.

00:53:11.620 In the 90s, Vince

00:53:13.200 did did reference you as an egomaniac and and I saw you on Ariel Helwani show recently talking

00:53:20.500 about your relationship to your younger self and I can actually relate to this in a way um but you

00:53:25.660 said something like I I just can't relate to that guy anymore uh but but I I still see some

00:53:33.960 similarities you know in in character but I imagine your routine has changed drastically

00:53:40.480 on the documentary

00:53:42.660 I saw you wake up

00:53:44.500 you do a little morning stretch

00:53:46.580 oh yeah

00:53:47.480 I'm up, I'm on the heat pack in the morning

00:53:50.440 just stretching and just

00:53:52.200 spending some time with myself

00:53:54.360 and again

00:53:55.220 faith is a part of my life

00:53:58.680 that has helped me out quite a bit

00:54:00.300 and it's just

00:54:01.160 the men

00:54:02.940 you activated them

00:54:05.120 go get them

00:54:06.980 take it away

00:54:08.000 Jesus Lord

00:54:11.940 Are you saved my brother

00:54:13.920 No that's the

00:54:15.200 My question for you is actually I do have a faith question

00:54:17.860 Did you have like a strong faith while you were going

00:54:19.920 Through your substance abuse or like ego problem

00:54:21.880 No well so I

00:54:23.120 Well look I was

00:54:24.080 It's one of those things like I was raised Catholic

00:54:27.420 I went to Catholic school

00:54:29.120 Up till fourth grade

00:54:31.220 But you know

00:54:33.100 It's there but it isn't really

00:54:35.780 You know my mom tells me

00:54:37.080 like i i'm like mom i go to church every sunday she goes george if i put you in that garage that

00:54:41.100 doesn't mean you're a car yeah and i was like oh yeah that's what i'm saying i'm gonna reverse

00:54:47.020 and rethink what you just said yeah it's just a different again like i i i don't go to church

00:54:52.780 anymore at all but i don't it's because i'm sort of i'm there every morning personal experience

00:54:58.900 yeah our personal relationships are exactly you know what i mean it's just it's just a huge one

00:55:02.700 one yeah absolutely amen yeah because people in the church still don't like me what what do you

00:55:08.080 mean well but your body slam yeah what do you do or something oh no bill the man he took a bottle

00:55:12.680 he was like for instance i mean i can go and do we we do we can do the dx reunion and we can do

00:55:20.740 our funny opening you know what i mean where it appears that i'm cursing and everything else and

00:55:25.200 people can look at me like uh are you are you backsliding brother are you

00:55:32.420 backsliding brother no i'm just it's a show on tv doing a you know just do us you sure because

00:55:40.060 we're here and we'll pray for you i think i'm all right i think he just backs it up he goes why don't 0.98

00:55:44.900 you suck it i'm just gonna get in more trouble but you want to kind of go like like do you talk 0.96

00:55:53.320 to the dude that plays judas every year in the christmas play and ask him if he's having trouble 1.00

00:56:00.240 or do you know

00:56:00.760 that he's playing the party

00:56:01.520 you're going to do

00:56:02.940 something mean to Jesus

00:56:03.720 this year

00:56:04.080 like he does every year

00:56:04.880 at the Christmas party

00:56:05.600 you know what I mean

00:56:06.540 and I don't know

00:56:07.260 so I just don't

00:56:08.240 that's one of those things

00:56:09.120 where they don't always

00:56:10.780 understand our gig

00:56:11.960 sometimes

00:56:12.660 the churches are

00:56:13.560 some of the denominations

00:56:15.400 are starting to catch up

00:56:16.280 a little bit

00:56:16.600 you know what I'm saying

00:56:17.720 which is cool

00:56:18.180 which is cool

00:56:18.640 like I said

00:56:19.000 that's the one

00:56:19.920 wrestling

00:56:20.360 no like with the times

00:56:22.000 they're just realizing

00:56:24.720 that like yo

00:56:25.380 like

00:56:25.700 organizations that get

00:56:28.300 so we talked about this

00:56:29.180 earlier with WWE

00:56:30.040 when an organization gets

00:56:32.140 I'm not supposed to be talking politics and religion

00:56:34.100 somehow we got in there

00:56:35.080 we don't have to be too wild

00:56:37.120 I'd like to apologize for that 1.00

00:56:38.920 religion is good

00:56:42.000 there's going to be a lot of people who love that you're religious

00:56:44.560 it's actually beautiful

00:56:46.380 so I think it's fine

00:56:47.620 politics however

00:56:49.080 who'd you vote for

00:56:50.840 don't say anything

00:56:52.540 I wrote myself in

00:56:53.740 seriously

00:56:55.540 I wanted to ask about something

00:56:57.560 I want to ask about that

00:57:01.280 That time that the marines beat you up

00:57:03.820 Yeah

00:57:04.440 I know as much

00:57:06.400 I know as much as what I've known back then

00:57:09.440 Like I don't

00:57:10.260 You know I was all hammered

00:57:12.900 And then I woke up in the hospital

00:57:15.220 You know what I mean

00:57:16.540 I guess I was curious

00:57:19.100 And I know it's going to be hard

00:57:21.220 To put yourself back in that spot

00:57:22.800 But the story goes

00:57:24.900 As such from what I understand

00:57:26.960 you're at a bar there's some marines there you were feeling yourself you talked to them a little 0.99

00:57:31.960 bit they didn't like that they jumped you six of them when you were outside and and they fucked 0.99

00:57:37.340 you up pretty bad then you were on television like the next day or two with with the black guy 0.89

00:57:42.520 and what the neck brace or whatever uh uh do you know why you were starting problems with with

00:57:50.260 people like a marine for example no like see like i don't remember and against it like

00:57:55.700 So the only people that I have ever known that told the story, again, like our, you know, again, you know, Waltman and the guys that were there.

00:58:05.720 And I don't know how accurate that is because we were all not in the best of shape.

00:58:10.980 I don't want to say it.

00:58:12.320 They're like this fire-breathing dragon came down from the rat.

00:58:15.320 You sure about that?

00:58:16.240 Again, I was told that again because at that time I was, you know, having a good run.

00:58:19.980 i was getting a lot of attention um and you know and but also some female attention and that

00:58:26.280 bothered a number of people and i probably was you know i'm sure again i'm sure i was being

00:58:32.040 obnoxious or whatever but i have no i have no recollection of any of that and that's why i was

00:58:37.540 trying to tell people because they were like did it hurt i was like i didn't feel like i've never

00:58:41.120 i've never i've literally the last thing i can remember from that night is dropping my coat off

00:58:47.260 at the coat check no way yes oh my god and then and then the next thing that i remember is i'm

00:58:52.400 waking up in the hospital you know and you know and tammy and the guy you know everybody's there

00:58:57.280 like dude you're right you know i got up and what happened you know i'm just sort of beat up like

00:59:01.980 oh what happened and unfortunately not anything to be proud of but i was in that position a lot

00:59:07.580 of times to get just not beat up where i would wake up in a an emergency room and i would go like

00:59:13.100 okay and i you know just say i'm ready to go and they're like well no we can't let you know like

00:59:16.620 sign, I would just sign the thing, boom, pop, I'd go.

00:59:18.580 Oh, my gosh. And you didn't

00:59:20.640 try to... You'd go and get three or four more hours

00:59:22.580 sleep. I'd get up, get down,

00:59:24.540 go to the gym,

00:59:26.460 go wrestle. Were you working out this whole time

00:59:28.760 keeping up with your physical routine? Yep.

00:59:31.200 I was a very, I was,

00:59:32.480 you know, very functioning.

00:59:34.880 You know what I mean? And I guess the thing is,

00:59:36.360 because more of it was, again,

00:59:38.580 to go down the road, but it was more prescription

00:59:40.400 stuff. And so I was really

00:59:42.460 good at it. Well, you know

00:59:44.460 what I mean? But I'm just saying it's one of those things where you

00:59:46.460 do you know painkillers in the day so those those didn't make you loopy yeah you know what i mean

00:59:51.180 and then the ones at night that make you loopy but those you know you end up you're going out

00:59:55.120 and you wake up and like all right let's go well yeah yeah well kind of depends on how the i mean

01:00:01.460 so so just bring up your book so he has a thing called no i'm asking question so you so you let's

01:00:07.340 talk about the painkillers for a second adam's over there you guys are like oh my god here we go

01:00:11.200 talk about all this stuff.

01:00:12.240 He's the PR guy.

01:00:13.640 Just talk about it.

01:00:14.940 Talk about it theoretically.

01:00:15.880 Senior Vice President for the love of God.

01:00:17.940 Talk about it theoretically.

01:00:18.720 We don't do it well.

01:00:19.480 It's Shawn Michaels, man.

01:00:20.560 We know about Shawn Michaels.

01:00:22.220 Everybody knows the story.

01:00:23.800 They got it.

01:00:25.440 I just want to talk.

01:00:26.140 So 98 comes, you break your back.

01:00:28.260 Is that correct?

01:00:29.200 Yes.

01:00:29.480 Oh, my God.

01:00:30.200 Right.

01:00:30.480 So what? 0.67

01:00:30.800 Well, it's herniated and screwed up.

01:00:34.160 Yeah. 0.79

01:00:34.540 And you're and you is this.

01:00:36.420 are you already starting to theoretically someone that looked like you starting to experiment with

01:00:44.360 painkillers at that point or before the injury oh yeah no i mean that i that was look so again it

01:00:51.840 goes back to the there's you know one of the things you know used to be in this line of work

01:00:56.880 was you're supposed to be able to you know one of the badges of sort of honor was you know you'd be

01:01:02.320 able to party all night you know and then absolutely get up the next day and go to the

01:01:06.880 town and you know wrestle for an hour and be able to do it again time after time you know and then

01:01:11.820 you know whatever you know you know drink and take a couple of these two and be just be able

01:01:17.020 and to be able to go and to function that's corner sort of what you know was the cornerstone

01:01:21.120 of a man in in in our business at one time um and i was you know i was young and naive enough to buy

01:01:28.220 into it you know what i mean and that's honestly what it is like i said that then you're just sort

01:01:33.020 of competing with yourself and again a bunch of dummies competing with each other about well who 0.96

01:01:37.280 can do the most but again how latest have the most sex do the most drugs like who's the who's 0.99

01:01:42.780 the warrior the night warrior yeah just again the silly competition like i said before you know it's 0.77

01:01:48.840 your neck deep in it and like i said and you know and again then people are you know not until you

01:01:54.340 realize that people are starting to you know pass away you know what i mean let's go away 0.98

01:01:59.500 wow this is it's kind of stupid what was your what was your moment what was your like honestly 0.98

01:02:05.060 rock uh i could sit there and and and hear about people passing away and and always talk about 0.99

01:02:12.460 gotta change gotta change gotta change i can remember again getting married and then immediately

01:02:17.880 we're getting you know we find out we're having a baby and all right nine months you got to get

01:02:22.060 together and he comes and you know nine months later still not there the thing that ended up

01:02:30.700 doing it is one day i'm half out of it and he's i think he's just two going on two and a half but

01:02:37.680 he's now but he's he he could see that i was sort of out of it and he said oh daddy's getting tired

01:02:42.920 and it just that's the first time i noticed that like oh my god he can now he's beginning to sense

01:02:51.920 it and it that it and i get up in a you know it's your podcast probably supposed to be a heck of a

01:02:57.420 lot cooler but it i mean it broke my heart you know i mean it's it's the first time that i realized

01:03:02.760 this little guy was he was only going to look to one person to show him how to be a man and it was

01:03:08.720 going to be me and i was in that moment i was you know screwing it up you know i mean i was failing

01:03:14.700 him and it literally just you know broke me apart and and again there was no there was no uh

01:03:23.100 whatever they call them the you know the shakes or that stuff i mean the next day done and it's

01:03:28.440 been and i've never i haven't just i just knew it was done over and that's amazing i just stopped

01:03:35.540 and i want to say you come on the podcast there's nothing uncool about the story you just told

01:03:41.920 that was the best story no no no i want to say this seriously you should you should really 0.98

01:03:46.920 understand that when you talk about that shit there's a percentage of people out there listening 0.98

01:03:51.520 to this that need to hear that stuff man that need to hear that you that you noticed it you 0.99

01:03:56.020 were aware of it and that you were able to get to where you are now and get past it because every 0.99

01:04:00.240 time those people hear a story of success and change and courageousness through that shit it 0.98

01:04:05.600 makes them feel like they can do it too so i just want to tell you like there's nothing uncool about 0.97

01:04:08.960 that story that's the comeback stories are the coolest stories in this on this planet really is

01:04:13.840 there's nothing again you know i just uh i don't i get i appreciate that and that's the thing i

01:04:18.340 guess that's the thing i get why i i again with all of you uh it's just i appreciate that you can

01:04:24.440 be i don't know as as old guys young and hip and all that but still appreciate i don't know again

01:04:30.120 that's why i feel like you're more you're vulnerable better well but yeah you're better

01:04:34.380 adjusted than we were because we were afraid to go there you know what i mean and i guess that's

01:04:38.440 what's that is what makes it cool is that you're there's a younger generation that you understand

01:04:43.500 it's okay it is and it's like and that's the thing i guess you couldn't you couldn't show that

01:04:49.320 when i was growing up in this you know what i mean it made you look weak yeah and then if you

01:04:54.580 were weak they were going to run right over you you know what i mean so you just you didn't you

01:04:58.980 didn't let them do it i can see it's challenging you still yeah well no but because i'm so it

01:05:04.400 bothers me that we allowed that lie to infest this business you know what i mean this is a

01:05:12.420 wonderful business as you're starting to understand how this how much you can express

01:05:18.280 and give to this and you can channel all of whatever it is you have in here that you might

01:05:23.680 need to get out you can work it out in here you know what i mean and we were brought up in this

01:05:29.980 business that was built on such bs you know what i mean and at a kind of i don't know and it's not

01:05:36.860 like they made us so again i don't i don't i don't ever want to dump on it it's not like anybody made

01:05:41.000 us it's just what you did but yeah it was just but it was just so kind of glorified in a way as

01:05:46.100 opposed to you know again i don't know like somebody said like you know coach this is bothering

01:05:50.400 me or again like we're not you know we won't make we're not going to make fun or talk down about

01:05:55.920 mental health or struggling with something or being on the road or this is hard for me

01:06:00.220 in this place you know what i mean i'm not gonna let one of our young men and women come in here

01:06:06.600 and feel less than because again this is the first time they've been away from home or it's

01:06:12.100 different than college or i or there's something you know i mean or all these people now nobody

01:06:16.720 used to attack me online you know i'm like you know i mean my twitter feed now the first time

01:06:21.760 since they've seen me and all of a sudden it's you know i mean all of a sudden now they're saying

01:06:25.520 all this stuff about me yeah you know what i mean yeah yeah it's a it's a different type of a different

01:06:30.000 animal and and so anyway i don't know so i guess like i said i just don't i do it that's why i'm

01:06:35.240 in this what's why i'm passionate about it that's why again i do i you know jump it jump in there

01:06:40.620 with you because and and here at nxt is because we have the opportunity to change this business

01:06:47.080 wwe has done so much on the i don't know on the on the outside you know what i mean but the only

01:06:54.060 people that can change it from a talent standpoint on the inside is us you know what i mean and i

01:07:00.020 want to be able to do that i want to be a part of that i would love to leave that kind of legacy

01:07:06.220 the matches and all that stuff absolutely cool i would i would love to lay the you know this

01:07:11.260 business in the hands of men and women that are complete you know good character driven human

01:07:18.280 beings you know i mean and great reformers you can do both and let me tell you man that is the

01:07:23.000 full 360 degree legacy like as a student now i think it's so cool that guys like you guys like

01:07:29.580 shane give their time to help the people that want to be the greats right that's that's the next step

01:07:34.320 you did you did the first part but you have so much invaluable knowledge in the head of yours

01:07:41.220 and being able to share that even some of the people that i've worked with thus far i'm so

01:07:46.720 grateful. I send out my gratitude texts. I sent a text to our group chat and our boys, and I was

01:07:54.100 like, hey, I think it's important that if there's someone in your guys' life that has educated you,

01:08:02.000 mentored you in a way, or done something that you're appreciative of, send them a gratitude

01:08:06.820 text. I'm thankful for this, for XYZ, because it goes a long way, man. You're literally shaping

01:08:11.860 the future of an entire industry with the people that you're giving your knowledge to it's

01:08:17.620 i personally think it's so cool and hopefully one day after i do a nice little run i'll be able to

01:08:23.120 spread whatever knowledge i've gained over the years because that is that that is that second

01:08:27.260 mountain in a way that of service yeah no well i got the thing service right and that's the thing

01:08:32.500 i mean i you know serve at the pleasure of you know you know the wwe and everybody here um and

01:08:38.500 it is that's it's it's all we can it's the only way we can sort of i don't know it's the only way

01:08:42.540 we can give you know what i mean and so uh like i said i love doing it and again like i don't know

01:08:47.480 and shane shane's another one again he held his little boy for the first time i think it changed

01:08:52.000 him too you know i mean that's one of the things i think you know for those of us in our line of

01:08:55.380 work something about them about holding them little boys you know i mean when you realize 0.99

01:08:59.860 you're looking at me aren't you yeah you know what i mean like son of a bitch quickly quickly 0.99

01:09:06.540 That's love. And I know we made a joke about the PR thing, but that story right there, regardless if it changes one person, it changed the way I truly look at this field. It really did. So you being vulnerable, which I know is tough, is making men like him not be scared to do it. And on top of all of that, just hearing your stories, you said you heard multiple people pass away and it didn't affect you, which means you didn't care what happened here. But when you saw another being, you were like, all right, I got to change. And that speaks volumes about your character. 0.98

01:09:36.040 Well, thank you.

01:09:37.320 Well, look, it's an ongoing, you know what I mean?

01:09:40.720 I mean, my children are older now, you know what I mean?

01:09:44.620 And I still, but, you know.

01:09:45.780 Let me ask you something.

01:09:47.100 How old is your son, the one that was the baby boy?

01:09:49.620 He's 22 now.

01:09:50.940 Did you ever have a moment with him now that he's an adult

01:09:54.960 where you thanked him for getting you out of that hole?

01:09:58.340 Oh, yeah.

01:09:58.960 Oh, I've told him a bunch of times.

01:10:00.360 Oh, yeah.

01:10:00.920 Well, just last night, you know, I'm just going to let you know

01:10:04.780 your old man loves you.

01:10:05.560 you know what I mean I take because he's up at school now um but yeah no I've you know I have

01:10:11.540 a number of times does he take pride in that or is it just like I just exist you know what I mean

01:10:16.100 I mean he's I'll say this I think as they get older I think they become they start to appreciate

01:10:22.960 that they're right now in the stage both him and my daughter were against because now so much stuff

01:10:28.420 is coming out you know what I mean there's you see documentaries and and and so now it's more

01:10:34.180 Because they've been raised by a really pretty Christian conservative dad.

01:10:40.320 But now they've seen so much stuff, and they're like, dad. 0.90

01:10:45.560 You're an animal.

01:10:47.380 Dad, you were really out there. 0.99

01:10:49.760 You know what I mean?

01:10:50.600 And so, like I said, I'm starting to – it's in a good way.

01:10:53.200 Because I've got over here, I've got the dad quality where it's like –

01:10:56.740 again, it's like all the dads.

01:10:58.800 Yes, dad, do right.

01:11:01.420 Say your prayers, eat your vitamins, all that kind of stuff.

01:11:03.560 I get it.

01:11:03.940 but now I'm getting some of that cool factor standpoint

01:11:06.780 where they go like, dude, you did.

01:11:09.400 You know what I mean?

01:11:09.760 You were once.

01:11:10.840 You know what I mean?

01:11:11.080 Because it's hard to look at your dad that way.

01:11:13.120 You know what I mean?

01:11:14.200 And to know that like, dude, you were off your rocker.

01:11:17.440 No, for sure.

01:11:18.020 Oh, my goodness.

01:11:19.180 You know what I mean?

01:11:19.800 I had a conversation with my dad.

01:11:21.240 I know exactly what you mean.

01:11:22.540 My dad, my whole life was, you know, my dad.

01:11:25.860 Yeah.

01:11:26.280 Dad tendencies.

01:11:27.840 Then one night, I think about a year and a half ago,

01:11:31.360 we were at a dinner table and me and Jake were sitting there like,

01:11:33.940 asking him now as adults like an adult talking to an adult about the past and i was hearing some of

01:11:40.280 the stories that my dad had had done and i mean you probably could have guessed it but greg paul

01:11:46.060 was a menace i'm sure back in the day i don't say what makes you think he's not a menace now

01:11:53.040 but but but let me tell you something that's really interesting for parents out there who are

01:11:57.720 are finding out that it's probably the hardest job in the world here's a little piece of advice or

01:12:03.040 or a story take what you want with it the stories that he was telling me were the were and jake was

01:12:10.580 at the table too my brother um jake had heard before he told them to jake when he was in high

01:12:18.060 school and he didn't tell them to me i was the straight a student i didn't drink till i was 18

01:12:23.980 years old i was like a good kid wrestling academics sports that like i was focused and jake is the

01:12:31.120 problem child he was stealing iphones he 1.6 gpa like like it's high no it's not he was he was

01:12:39.480 and i i always wonder if it's because like my dad told him the stories of what he was doing as a

01:12:47.420 youth when he was a hooligan and my brother maybe tried to emulate right what his old man did i 0.98

01:12:53.000 didn't hear those stories until i was an adult i didn't know my my dad was a fucking troublemaker 0.98

01:12:57.320 like to the 10th degree 0.98

01:12:59.500 and so I just wanted to be the best

01:13:01.720 son I could

01:13:02.880 and so it is interesting

01:13:04.400 you do wonder the whole time

01:13:06.320 is the best to be honest with them

01:13:09.140 nah lie bro

01:13:11.560 we just never

01:13:17.120 said anything really

01:13:19.360 and thankfully again when I was wrestling

01:13:21.460 they were young

01:13:22.240 and since they've gotten older

01:13:24.880 we've done a good job

01:13:26.420 the business has not completely saturated every bit of our life you know i mean so

01:13:32.620 their dad does this for a living but that's never been they've never been crazy into it

01:13:37.680 wanted to be in the back my daughter just now starts coming to to this because she's interested

01:13:42.340 in the makeup stuff my son's never had you know any interest in it you know um so again you don't

01:13:49.140 you can sort of stay away from the conversations but like i said now it's sort of a different

01:13:54.120 with the documentaries and so much stuff has come up that i've you know it's gotten back out there

01:14:00.540 so there's been a sort of a another phase of it but they're older yeah yeah yeah exactly they're

01:14:05.320 developed now yeah so now personalities are going to change exactly that's what i'm saying you can

01:14:09.220 begin to open it up and and like i said they you know i think we've got the foundational stuff in

01:14:14.620 there pretty secure so hopefully most of what they see and they hear now what doesn't you know

01:14:19.760 doesn't uh you know tip them off their rocker so speaking of rockers i wanted to talk about

01:14:26.860 your relationship with the rock a little bit okay how is that how is how is it working with

01:14:32.660 him you guys have a i haven't well i've never worked with him i work with you know his daughter

01:14:37.140 is here you know what i mean and so so look we've i've the times i've seen him we've always gotten

01:14:42.320 along okay i don't i'll say this i i don't that was never i don't think it was as bad as everybody

01:14:48.180 made it up to me yeah that's why i'm asking yeah you know what i mean i mean i know that again uh

01:14:53.840 you know i gave everybody a hard time back when i was younger um but you know like when i came back

01:15:01.460 i made sure i went up to everybody and at least like sorry you know i mean you know i mean honestly

01:15:06.420 that's that's the best that i could do though but i tried to i when i came back in 2002 and i knew

01:15:11.360 that you know there's gonna be like yeah we'll see but it was important to me to go around and make

01:15:16.240 commends you know at least tell everybody like look you know i had to go sorry about the way i

01:15:21.120 was and i you know i got no excuse but you know i'm willing to earn back whatever and look if you

01:15:25.940 never talk to me again i'm cool with that too but yeah you know that's part of the record that's

01:15:29.820 what is that it is well that's one of those things like yeah i never knew any of that because i you

01:15:33.720 know again it's like that's why everybody's always asked like did you do that i was like no i just

01:15:37.920 you know i thought i always joke about it i did the one step of jesus and it was just done you

01:15:41.720 You know what I mean?

01:15:42.520 It was just done.

01:15:43.820 Well, but it was just like all gone.

01:15:45.900 It was just nothing.

01:15:46.760 There was no urge.

01:15:47.780 There was no, you know, missing anything.

01:15:50.180 It just wasn't anything.

01:15:51.200 You know what I mean?

01:15:51.700 The human brain's strong, man.

01:15:52.900 If we really put your mind to something, and mind you, God forbid, I've never been in any

01:15:56.560 substance abuse, but I see certain people like you that can manage to get out of it.

01:16:01.460 And I think that mental state where people are like, that's going to be really tough

01:16:04.100 to get out of it.

01:16:04.780 That's what you're already blocking yourself.

01:16:06.040 You're already causing those obstacles.

01:16:07.160 Well, I was going to say, as we'd say, you're kind of already speaking it into existence.

01:16:11.720 So, you know, but again, I understand it.

01:16:14.600 I was just, I look at it as, you know, like a miracle.

01:16:17.580 I go like, you know, I just don't, I don't think that much about it.

01:16:20.420 Cause I go like, I'll take it.

01:16:21.680 You know what I mean?

01:16:22.840 But you found Jesus to be a part of it though.

01:16:27.200 Yeah.

01:16:27.900 I don't know.

01:16:28.320 There was honestly, it was, I think it was finally feeling like, okay, so there is a purpose

01:16:35.660 to get into my existence here.

01:16:38.000 I'm put here to do something.

01:16:40.320 and obviously it's obviously to help form these two little lives now to anyway again into something

01:16:47.180 productive and decent in this world you know what i mean yeah it's a it's a weird thing because

01:16:52.700 everyone always asks like these questions about like how how did you get clean how did i was

01:16:57.620 addicted to opiates for 10 years and it's like how did you do this how did you do that and the answer

01:17:01.400 is always very dear near and dear to the person that right so it's like what do i give to you

01:17:07.180 to make you understand it's really not super easy i think i think what what could help is is uh

01:17:14.320 a conversation sure and then with the intention of be finding that that motivation because it is

01:17:19.960 super specific per each person so so so what is it and and quitting opiates drug whatever whatever

01:17:27.620 you're using is is not easy and if you're gonna quit it needs to come solely from you you're you

01:17:33.700 need to want to quit but you also have to find motivation and and and sometimes men like

01:17:39.420 conversations like this someone listening to this uh talking to your friends like discovering what

01:17:44.080 that is finding that little bit of hope that you can that you can grasp onto to pull yourself out

01:17:48.620 of that hole is all it takes and the more you learn about yourself the more you're going to

01:17:52.100 discover there's other parts of it too that it's like why what and how it's like you might you

01:17:56.580 might have a why your kid you know sit in front of you but then you run into issues with what and

01:18:01.900 how how do I get you know what I'm saying I can't do it I'm too sick or I need medical supervision

01:18:06.500 whatever and then and then as you know after you get a good amount of time and you start to find

01:18:11.000 some mental clarity and some time away from the drugs and alcohol now you need to find a way to

01:18:14.840 keep it going and that's the part where people run into problems how do I maintain this now for

01:18:19.480 years and years I got very blessed with this and I've never really talked about this before with

01:18:25.200 this strange sickness that comes over me when I see people using or when I think about myself

01:18:30.760 using it makes me feel sick to my stomach and i started to play into that when i found the power

01:18:36.880 from that which was i no longer want to be a loser that's what i tell myself and not to not

01:18:42.840 to call anyone that's stuck in that a loser but that is what i had to tell myself that i was and

01:18:48.040 that i wanted more for myself and it was very important that anytime i had an urge or saw some

01:18:53.440 using or even thought about drugs i became physically ill from that thought and so that's

01:18:58.420 it's a weird tactical note that i that worked for me but everybody needs to find works for them and

01:19:02.860 that's that's kind of the challenge of it if i eat like too much of like an unhealthy food like

01:19:07.300 a cake yeah sometimes that thought of eating that cake the next time makes me sick and so i won't i

01:19:13.400 won't eat that cake again so i do see what you're saying yeah same thing i do see what you're saying 0.96

01:19:17.420 you know bro you are smarter than you look thank you that much you know i look that dumb uh i actually 0.95

01:19:23.260 had something to bring to the table i i recently and i never told anybody you are the table which 0.96

01:19:27.780 by the way you need you need somebody we're gonna need to work on hold on thank you thank you hold

01:19:31.700 on guys on the table zoom in on the table you're not the table bro you're like a folding table

01:19:38.740 you do understand like like in like in this business like being the table like that 0.97

01:19:43.820 the table never ends up i don't know i don't know why i said it damn 0.56

01:19:47.600 that one out yeah like what do you bring the table like i am the table 0.91

01:20:01.820 oh my goodness i'm just saying just doesn't that's you know yeah you gotta look you're

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Impaulsive with Logan Paul - October 25, 2022

E349 Shawn Michaels On Logan Paul VS Roman Reigns, Triple H Saving His Life, WWE Future

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