Impaulsive with Logan Paul - ERIC WEINSTEIN IS THE SMARTEST MAN IN THE WORLD - IMPAULSIVE EP. 96

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00:02:12.900 Low gangsters.

00:02:14.080 Here we go.

00:02:15.880 You didn't think I knew that, did you?

00:02:17.380 I mean, I don't know.

00:02:18.540 You knew Jake was engaged.

00:02:20.000 What?

00:02:20.360 You knew Jake was engaged.

00:02:21.300 Sure.

00:02:22.100 You congratulated me.

00:02:23.160 You go congrats.

00:02:23.820 I was like, for what?

00:02:24.500 It's not every day, bro.

00:02:25.500 So anyway. 1.00

00:02:26.360 Whoa, what the fuck? 1.00

00:02:28.580 if you're a zebra in africa and you're chilling by murky water you just don't drink from it you 0.99

00:02:39.600 can never never know what's under that water murky water scares me it's actually it's actually

00:02:44.640 one of my big fears in life murky water yeah uh any water i can't see what's happening yeah i've

00:02:49.420 always thought about like if somebody would dare me to swim across the amazon would you do it if

00:02:53.600 If there was, like, 100K.

00:02:55.480 Have you seen the damage a pack of piranhas can do?

00:02:59.380 That's a no for me, Chief.

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00:03:15.020 Incredible.

00:03:15.860 Hey, comment your thoughts below, guys.

00:03:17.440 We liked your comments on the last episode.

00:03:19.260 There's thoughts on what?

00:03:20.600 Just whatever we do.

00:03:21.460 Anything you say.

00:03:22.180 Whatever you're thinking.

00:03:23.600 What's going on with the camera, man?

00:03:25.980 Well, something seems to be going wrong.

00:03:27.460 Oh, none of the cameras were on.

00:03:29.300 None of the cameras were on?

00:03:30.580 That's not true.

00:03:31.280 Well, it looks like we'll be starting back over.

00:03:33.400 Was Ron on the camera?

00:03:36.380 We're going?

00:03:37.040 We're good?

00:03:37.620 Welcome back to Paulson. 1.00

00:03:38.920 Take me out to dinner before you fuck me next time, Andre. 1.00

00:03:42.000 Anyways, what were we talking about? 1.00

00:03:43.120 Probably something.

00:03:43.840 Murky water.

00:03:44.680 Ah, scary.

00:03:45.480 Yeah.

00:03:46.080 Hate it.

00:03:46.340 What would you think would be the scariest thing your toe could touch under murky water?

00:03:50.380 Oh, that's the worst.

00:03:51.700 Like, whoa, have you kicked a fish when you're swimming in deep water?

00:03:56.140 Like, but what's like the, how do we know it was a fish?

00:03:58.880 What's the worst thing?

00:04:00.440 I mean, you're down there.

00:04:01.160 Like I'm thinking this, a plugged in toaster.

00:04:05.100 Think about it.

00:04:06.040 Think about it.

00:04:06.580 Your foot slides into the thing and the other, and a rock toast hits the toast button.

00:04:11.460 All of a sudden you're electrocuted.

00:04:12.520 Well, it's not scary.

00:04:13.660 That's fatal.

00:04:14.400 And that's, that's the terror.

00:04:16.140 It's also highly unlikely.

00:04:17.380 You say that, but have you not seen underwater lake power stations?

00:04:20.540 Yeah.

00:04:20.720 Have you seen 47 Meters Down?

00:04:23.340 No.

00:04:23.800 Is it about the Mariana Trench?

00:04:25.640 It's a shark.

00:04:27.560 The Mariana Trench, the deepest.

00:04:29.460 No, no.

00:04:30.020 You think the Mariana Trench is 47 Meters deep?

00:04:32.880 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:04:33.460 I thought you said 47 Meters.

00:04:36.580 God dang it. 1.00

00:04:37.880 Fuck. 1.00

00:04:38.480 Man, our guest today could help you with numbers, bro. 1.00

00:04:40.720 We need some help with some science. 1.00

00:04:41.660 The last thing you said was that fucking... 1.00

00:04:43.840 What? 1.00

00:04:44.120 The head of the Cali cartel was Fidel Castro.

00:04:47.300 I was thinking of Ariel Castro

00:04:50.920 The dude who kidnapped girls in Ohio 0.99

00:04:53.540 I don't fucking 0.99

00:04:54.260 There's a Castro somewhere 0.98

00:04:55.620 Unbelievable 1.00

00:04:57.280 I don't know things dude

00:04:58.780 We need help from a chief economist at some point

00:05:01.020 Should we bring him up?

00:05:01.940 We need someone smart

00:05:02.480 Let's talk about some more house gossip

00:05:03.680 Alright well we're gonna bring him on eventually

00:05:05.240 I promise

00:05:05.780 What else we got going on in the house?

00:05:07.480 Well today's Friday right?

00:05:09.040 Yeah technically

00:05:09.880 What day is it really?

00:05:11.700 Today's Monday so

00:05:12.600 But it's Friday 0.98

00:05:13.180 Today's Friday so what do you guys got planned fucking this weekend or something? 0.97

00:05:16.560 You know me? 0.93

00:05:16.960 i'm going to sweden i'm a swedish fish swedish fish what is there in sweden i heard those didn't

00:05:22.640 originate in sweden probably very true that will break my heart swedish fish swedish like what

00:05:28.360 yeah scholars haven't figured that one out yet still unsolved where did swedish fish come from

00:05:33.660 oh sweden she can see this he typed in where did swedish fish come from and it has a swedish flag

00:05:39.620 that says sweden no dude sweden yeah yeah i'm going there to make some music you guys know man

00:05:44.520 gotta go sing my little heart out

00:05:46.340 will you bring back some Swedish fish for us 0.80

00:05:48.260 uh yeah

00:05:49.200 what else is native to Sweden

00:05:51.920 like there's gotta be some sort of really nice food

00:05:54.420 like Copenhagen

00:05:55.460 worst Germany

00:05:58.100 type it in what else is

00:05:59.900 native to Sweden

00:06:01.260 some native Swedish foods

00:06:03.880 yeah cause I really wanna do

00:06:05.560 what is a typical Swedish food

00:06:06.740 oh many meat dishes

00:06:07.960 oh Swedish meatballs

00:06:11.440 the little baby meatballs

00:06:12.480 oh yeah in the in the gravy sauce and lingonberry jam oh fruit soups with high viscosity anyone know

00:06:18.620 what viscosity is it's a physics term for you it's uh it has it's a friction no it's friction related

00:06:24.200 nope it's the ability to flow like no friction like no friction it's you could just flow not

00:06:30.320 quite high viscosity not quite i think we're talking about a lot of facts and like austin

00:06:34.540 mcbroom's basketball tournament tomorrow oh yeah oh yeah don't make that face of me 0.80

00:06:39.880 what what no oh dylan oh dylan's mad at dylan's what else is fucking no it was just because i was 0.89

00:06:46.320 going to do a sick transition to the guests but actually i think we should talk about it i'm uh 0.94

00:06:49.580 i think i'm coaching one of the teams because jake and awesome made it very clear i'm not good 0.92

00:06:53.000 enough to play basketball yeah you kind of suck you're right they're right they're right they're 0.93

00:06:57.700 absolutely right i made no you have a basketball back for me we have a basketball hoop in the house 0.99

00:07:01.820 and i've been shooting around and you'll come in while you're just on your way upstairs and just

00:07:06.560 airball and hit the fish oh i always miss i always miss it's just sad and it's you know what's

00:07:10.800 sad even more sad is like i played basketball when i was younger not like on a team but like

00:07:14.420 i'd go to the rec center after school when i play and i just that's one sport i never got like good

00:07:18.320 at you're mad athletic it's just i'm physical bro like i get that rebound like i want it really bad 0.99

00:07:22.960 are you the kid that just fouled out like in like oh yeah oh yeah because i can give a fuck i was 0.99

00:07:27.220 wrestling motherfuckers all right let's do it let's bring on our guest here we go today's guest 0.99

00:07:30.920 is quite possibly the smartest guy in the world he's a mathematician and economist and the managing 0.99

00:07:35.960 director of Teal Capital, Peter Thiel's investment firm, it's Eric Weinstein.

00:07:45.860 It's because there's a TH, and that throws me off.

00:07:48.620 It's a tongue twister.

00:07:49.720 Peter Thiel, the tongue twister.

00:07:51.640 Can you say it for me?

00:07:52.640 Peter Thiel.

00:07:53.640 There you go.

00:07:54.060 You made it sound pretty easy.

00:07:55.660 Hey, you're a-

00:07:56.300 But do you guys believe in reptilians?

00:07:59.100 Reptilian overlords?

00:08:00.140 You're going right into it.

00:08:01.260 Yeah. 1.00

00:08:01.660 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:08:02.260 Peter Thiel is an anagram for the reptile. 1.00

00:08:05.960 Are you serious?

00:08:07.480 Just think about it for a minute.

00:08:08.560 Peter Thiel is an anagram for the reptile.

00:08:11.140 Now, an anagram is?

00:08:13.040 A thing that goes down the side

00:08:15.060 and every first letter of something starts a word, a sentence.

00:08:19.600 Wait, is that a pseudonym?

00:08:20.900 Is that his name?

00:08:21.800 An anagram, a word, a phrase formed by rearranging the letters of another.

00:08:25.720 Peter Thiel, what does it rearrange to form?

00:08:27.940 The reptile. 1.00

00:08:29.780 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:08:30.760 Is that true? 1.00

00:08:31.780 You know him.

00:08:33.380 Kids, check it at home.

00:08:34.960 He's right.

00:08:35.540 So he's like the king

00:08:37.420 He's at the top

00:08:38.700 He's the reptilian overlord

00:08:40.260 I don't think we should keep talking

00:08:41.280 He's like a time limit on it

00:08:43.320 Wow he's worth 2.5 billion dollars

00:08:47.460 Guy knows what he's doing

00:08:48.440 And you manage that money?

00:08:50.360 No

00:08:50.600 What says you're the

00:08:51.920 Managing director of Teal Capital

00:08:55.620 Yeah

00:08:56.300 Peter manages that money

00:08:58.780 What do you do?

00:09:00.640 For the average person

00:09:01.500 Because I heard you are one of the smartest people in the world

00:09:03.620 From whom?

00:09:04.740 That guy

00:09:05.520 He said you were one of the top five in the world.

00:09:07.540 So you're listening.

00:09:08.900 That's what he said.

00:09:09.680 This is getting better and better.

00:09:11.420 By the way, this is the most famous microphone in the world.

00:09:13.920 Am I right?

00:09:14.200 It really is.

00:09:15.260 It really is.

00:09:16.780 And, yo, this is actually when we met.

00:09:19.340 Yeah.

00:09:19.500 He's referring to the famous Riley Reid deep throat when she deep-throated our impulsive mic.

00:09:24.020 Yeah.

00:09:24.620 We met for the first time.

00:09:26.380 Yeah.

00:09:26.600 You said something.

00:09:27.200 You know, I knew you looked familiar, and it was actually when you were interviewing David Blaine,

00:09:32.800 and I watched him regurgitate a frog.

00:09:34.660 That was awesome.

00:09:35.420 and afterwards, you came up to me, and I thought, I don't know,

00:09:39.520 there was going to be some sort of, like, extreme knowledge that I was going to absorb,

00:09:42.580 and you go, hey, man, I want to tell you something.

00:09:44.160 I was like, yes, this is it, bro.

00:09:46.180 I'm going to become a better person.

00:09:47.760 And you go, I actually really appreciated you having Riley Reid on your podcast.

00:09:50.780 And I was like, whoa.

00:09:51.400 Wow.

00:09:52.840 I was there for that.

00:09:53.680 So first of all, she came to one of our shows with Sam Harris and Ben Shapiro in San Francisco.

00:10:00.720 she's clearly very interested in psychedelics in atheism in rationality and i think what's been

00:10:09.940 really interesting for me in talking to her is talking about very different topics which is the

00:10:15.980 business harassment of her as an independent successful businesswoman where she can't 1.00

00:10:22.720 effectively perform commerce in the world because she's being harassed by banks or

00:10:30.620 by social platforms exactly and so this is i think one of the most important fronts in the

00:10:37.540 free speech arena because we're seeing it people being restricted because of what they're saying

00:10:42.680 politically we see um people being restricted what they can teach educationally and we've forgotten

00:10:48.180 that the erotic arts are traditionally one of the most important battlegrounds for free speech and

00:10:54.140 historically have been so at least since um these these decisions were made in 1959 67 and 73

00:11:01.720 erotic arts yeah erotic arts porn if you will no yeah she had trouble getting a house yeah so so

00:11:08.800 she she had i saw her instagram story she was crying on her instagram story they had run the

00:11:14.780 credit right they had run the background everything came out perfect because obviously she's got great

00:11:19.040 credit because she makes so much money off premium snapchats snapchats and once they found out who

00:11:24.260 she was she was unable to get the house once they found out that she was an adult entertainer so

00:11:28.880 let's call it financial harassment absolutely and that's what i really appreciated is that you guys

00:11:33.980 treated her um as a successful businesswoman i mean you had a great time uh you know joke yeah

00:11:41.400 joking around but the fact is is that she's well-spoken thoughtful and uh she's in business

00:11:46.720 least facts we were all very surprised what a generous what a generous human being with her

00:11:51.200 time and and she's been lovely in conversation i will say this we are the most versatile podcast

00:11:56.100 i think in the world undoubtedly i think that's our that's our shtick we can have you on and we

00:12:00.880 can have someone who's the exact opposite of you on and we're gonna thrive so listen i do i do want

00:12:05.780 i do want you to explain in layman's terms what you do for the average person well um so i

00:12:12.720 i'm a mathematician by training i went into mathematics in order to understand uh the

00:12:19.900 geometry underneath the two main branches of theoretical physics and um with peter um

00:12:27.980 having spent time in finance it was a i had a hedge fund uh in new york city with a friend

00:12:33.780 um i try to simply be available in whatever capacity i mean he's one of the most brilliant

00:12:39.920 people i've ever met and i try to be his intellectual jogging partner for whatever

00:12:45.480 the topics are whether it's philanthropy or an issue in markets or finance or

00:12:51.220 trying to figure out how to fix education what have you trying to figure out how to fix education

00:12:56.860 what about it's a big topic bernie sanders made a little announcement last night you may have heard

00:13:01.940 of that he may try to pass a law that forgives all student debt yeah well what was it 2005

00:13:09.220 when student debt became non-dischargeable.

00:13:13.580 So you have what does appear.

00:13:17.260 And that's one of the reasons that I think it's great hanging out with younger guys

00:13:21.100 is that we have an intergenerationally extractive situation

00:13:24.860 in which your cohort is viewed as a source of financial wealth for older generations.

00:13:30.700 And the idea was to force you into a college paradigm

00:13:33.320 and make sure that you couldn't get rid of the debt no matter what.

00:13:37.360 and uh i think this thing is absolutely immoral and that kind of spirit is actually one of the

00:13:42.900 reasons why i voted for bernie last time around so you're i presume against the idea of traditional

00:13:48.940 college oh absolutely not i mean i went to a traditional college i think that it's it's right

00:13:54.920 for a minority of people but the idea that you have to sell everybody that if you don't do this

00:14:00.180 you're inadequate i mean this is preposterous and and it's it's unethical it's immoral but it's a

00:14:06.040 great scam oh yeah it's been going great it's a great scam how would you i i don't know the

00:14:11.980 details behind it but how would economically you actually forgive 1.6 trillion dollars of debt

00:14:19.300 with some difficulty i mean it's going to be really disruptive and expensive if that debt

00:14:24.900 has to get written off and there's going to be you know a clamoring for everybody trying to

00:14:29.260 play musical chairs with the debt and see who gets stuck standing up at the end so i don't know

00:14:35.220 how that's going to get unwound you saw his did you see his um uh his idea his proposal as to how

00:14:42.140 that happens no taxing wall street transactions yeah so basically there would be a tax on buying

00:14:49.340 and selling uh securities they say tobin tax i didn't see the name of it but is that what is that

00:14:54.540 what it would be considered yeah so the idea is just going to put some friction speaking of

00:14:58.340 into the system. And obviously that's intended in part to stop speculation, to punish people

00:15:07.420 who have been doing very well because they've been rent-seeking through finance. And whether

00:15:12.080 or not that is the best means of doing all of this, let's be honest, we're in a revolutionary

00:15:19.140 mood. And these proposals, we are years into a revolution that is not acknowledged. How weird

00:15:26.620 is that, that we're in something, and you're not even allowed to say that we're in revolutionary

00:15:32.560 times. Would you consider where we are right now to be similar to where we were in the late 60s?

00:15:39.160 I think that's the best parallel, that it's like 1968 is taking forever, in part because it's a

00:15:45.400 low-grade revolution. Like, we're not seeing, let's say, bombings and murders of a political

00:15:52.060 nature the way we were um in the u.s we're seeing milkshakings rather than you know the weather

00:15:57.760 underground and um where you see that the violence is a kind of a generalized digital violence

00:16:05.580 where it's pretty dangerous to be online because you're playing with your entire reputation your

00:16:11.620 reputation is what you need in order to be able to earn a living and anybody who says the wrong

00:16:17.220 thing or does the wrong thing according to somebody who's empowered to destroy them um you

00:16:22.820 can become unemployable very quickly i think it's i think it's because you know on social media

00:16:28.420 everyone does have a voice i don't think it's just one person who could be empowered to destroy them

00:16:33.120 i think it is that like collective of people who may feel wronged when it comes to a specific

00:16:38.180 scenario but i was going to ask you could you could you flesh out this revolution you're talking

00:16:42.120 about because i'm hearing you but i want to i want to know in in your eyes what exactly you

00:16:48.380 think this revolution is and what is happening that we haven't addressed or talked about yet

00:16:53.020 well i think before we get to the revolution we should talk about the weird stasis that just went

00:16:57.160 on the same way for a long time i think that between 1945 the end of world war ii 1973 there

00:17:04.020 was this period of bizarre prosperity it was really stable you could base your future on it

00:17:11.220 You can move away from your family and towards a financial solution

00:17:14.600 for most of your life problems.

00:17:17.360 A decade earlier.

00:17:19.080 I told you on the last podcast,

00:17:23.860 my phone rings and the YouTube video starts.

00:17:26.020 You were really headed to a good spot.

00:17:27.380 Let's get back there.

00:17:28.280 All right.

00:17:29.320 Everything up, bro.

00:17:30.420 What's new?

00:17:31.600 Logan Paul made a mistake.

00:17:32.580 I can't believe it. 0.99

00:17:33.440 I fucking can't believe it. 0.99

00:17:35.820 So you're moving towards financial prosperity. 0.99

00:17:37.840 It's 1970.

00:17:38.980 Yeah.

00:17:39.180 So 1973, there seems to be some sort of very weird thing that happens and

00:17:44.480 growth keeps going up, but like median male income flat lines for decades.

00:17:51.200 You know, you could say part of, part of that has to do with, you know, 0.82

00:17:54.380 some issues involving the Arab oil crisis, gold standard,

00:17:57.120 women entering the workforce, but there's a mystery as to what the,

00:18:01.780 how do you, how do you make all of it end? Like every piece of it. 0.83

00:18:05.060 Give me the phone. Give me the fucking phone. 1.00

00:18:06.600 If you mute that, if you mute the computer. 1.00

00:18:08.280 I already did.

00:18:08.920 I muted the YouTube video.

00:18:10.500 Millions call me twice.

00:18:11.720 I'm going to answer.

00:18:12.300 No, I'm so sorry, Eric.

00:18:15.060 Hey, Mill, you got to tell me what's so important,

00:18:18.080 that you called me twice on a podcast,

00:18:19.760 because we have the smartest guest ever,

00:18:21.600 and I blatantly disrespected him.

00:18:23.240 You've called me twice now, Millen.

00:18:25.820 Okay, I'm sorry, but listen to this.

00:18:28.920 What?

00:18:30.420 I'm with Tommy Chong right now.

00:18:32.260 Tommy Chong.

00:18:32.900 Okay, that's pretty important.

00:18:34.680 All right, that's a wrap, guys.

00:18:35.780 Thanks.

00:18:36.120 It's been great.

00:18:36.600 No, hey, tell him I said what's up.

00:18:38.260 We want him on the podcast.

00:18:40.120 Okay, what's happening, Logan?

00:18:41.920 Hey, what's up, dude?

00:18:43.300 Cheech and Chung, Tommy Chung?

00:18:45.360 Yeah.

00:18:45.840 I'm so sorry.

00:18:46.480 No, this...

00:18:47.320 Hey, nice to meet you, man.

00:18:49.260 This is a weird way that it's happening.

00:18:50.720 You too, you too.

00:18:52.040 I'm sweating if I'm being honest.

00:18:53.100 You know, let's get back to the podcast, Logan,

00:18:54.760 but I'm going to get his number,

00:18:55.960 and he wants to come on.

00:18:57.120 All right, all right.

00:18:57.540 I'll be on your phone, man.

00:18:58.680 All right, amazing.

00:18:59.360 Thanks, Mel.

00:19:00.560 Wow.

00:19:00.880 All right, later.

00:19:01.420 All right, bye.

00:19:02.200 You just bestowed upon some excellent vibes.

00:19:05.460 What?

00:19:05.960 This was you.

00:19:06.600 this is your doing name another podcast in the world where that would happen

00:19:10.860 sometime around the time that earache my eye appeared on teaching chong

00:19:15.060 everything changed in the economy it's amazing

00:19:18.520 it's incredible all right focus no more yes here we are all right and then we started lying about

00:19:26.780 everything in order to keep this game going think of think about it like a really rich family with

00:19:31.000 a failing family business for a while it can kind of take the assets it has and play games

00:19:36.340 to hope that the business recovers.

00:19:39.320 But in essence, that game sort of went from, let's say, 1980 to, I would say, 2008.

00:19:47.560 And then we were in this weird zombie period between 2008 and 2016

00:19:53.820 where we couldn't have new ideas.

00:19:57.160 We just had these old ideas that nobody believed were still true.

00:20:00.040 And they were like walking the landscape.

00:20:02.120 And then, you know, then you had the Trump anomaly where we find out people are so pissed that they will do anything to get the attention and say no mas.

00:20:12.240 And then the weird thing is that the thing that was supposed to get the message and hear no mas says, oh, let's just triple and quadruple down on the same stuff that wasn't working before.

00:20:23.100 Not policy wise.

00:20:24.940 Well, not just policy wise, it's just like, I don't think that the country is clamoring right now for, you know, open borders. I don't think that the country is clamoring right now for, I don't know, bigotry being normalized against any group, black, white, green doesn't matter, right?

00:20:52.960 But like the idea of this sort of woke movement is extremely powerful because I think the left lost the labor unions.

00:21:03.580 And this is this very weird thing that we think about these as social movements.

00:21:06.940 But maybe what really happened is that when Ronald Reagan broke up, Patco, the left lost unions and now it needed a replacement.

00:21:15.560 And so it found identity politics over time as a replacement.

00:21:18.720 and so instead of it confronting uh the fact that families you guys are having trouble in general 0.54

00:21:27.840 forming families it's gotten really tough like millennials you're saying yeah how come well

00:21:32.680 because you're right i've been trying to have a kid he's working on a long time you're speaking 1.00

00:21:36.840 red to his heart yeah and and it's not i don't think it's it's mainly because i'm emotionally

00:21:40.820 unavailable but i i feel like it maybe stems from what you're saying well you know you're in a

00:21:46.460 different position but if you're 24 25 uh you you want to think about proposing to the amazing get

00:21:54.620 you know gal that you've been dating and you say hey i've got a house the cool city you want to

00:21:59.160 live in how about having a couple of kids with me maybe you'll be the breadwinner maybe i'll be the

00:22:03.400 breadwinner i don't know yeah it could be gay could be straight doesn't you could switch genders but

00:22:08.500 you more or less need a breadwinner and somebody staying home uh is a standard division of labor

00:22:14.840 in a house that you can afford in a city you want to be in and that thing has just it's moved out of

00:22:20.720 reach what part of it has changed that has made it so hard to have those two people working in

00:22:27.460 tandem to achieve the same well for one thing you had this thing where um people moved away from

00:22:32.860 their family support systems and towards financial support systems right so you could either have

00:22:38.180 like, you know, unemployment insurance, let's say, or you could have the idea that if somebody

00:22:45.200 is out of work in a family, maybe they they're inside the home for a while doing things for the

00:22:50.200 clan and somebody else is out earning. But we moved away from family based systems to financial

00:22:55.560 based systems because we had the long period of prosperity. And then that kind of easy prosperity

00:23:00.660 seemed to have come to an end. Right. And so in general, our economy doesn't make fantastic sense.

00:23:06.920 So we've, you know, this debt forgiveness, this was an extraction program where older people who were professors and administrators in universities were able to hook up younger people and their futures to a debt machine to transfer wealth from down below to up above.

00:23:25.080 And that's got to end. 0.86

00:23:26.400 And, you know, whether or not my generation suffered through enough of this, the Gen Xers, but it's the silent generation of the baby boomers that really started these games. 0.78

00:23:35.960 And we should be compassionate with them. 0.94

00:23:38.160 But on the other hand, we should tell them, no, you're going to have to you're going to have to carry your own weight.

00:23:42.880 You've had a really beautiful run.

00:23:44.740 And in part, you did that by mortgaging the future.

00:23:46.980 And we're not going to pay for it.

00:23:49.680 That's great.

00:23:50.300 I agree.

00:23:50.780 It absolutely does need to end.

00:23:53.420 Does it end with like everybody just waking up homes?

00:23:58.420 Well, is it like a government regulated thing?

00:24:01.600 Something needs to stop at like a government level?

00:24:03.400 or is it, is it kids waking up and not, we can, we can do this any, which way you want. I mean,

00:24:08.500 you know, if, if, if there were federally mandated retirement ages, we could bring them back

00:24:13.580 and everybody's going to say, Oh my God, that's an imposition on my freedom. We say, okay, well,

00:24:17.960 how about debt forgiveness? You know, how about all the student debt is wiped out? Or how about,

00:24:22.760 um, we start looking at some laws that specifically take care of you guys. Uh,

00:24:29.420 Maybe my generation just needs to get screwed on both ends. 1.00

00:24:32.560 We got screwed by the baby boomers. 1.00

00:24:34.280 I know it sounds more exciting if I phrase it that way. 1.00

00:24:36.540 Well, we call that an Eiffel Tower.

00:24:39.560 Spencer's got these zingers every now and then, man.

00:24:42.220 We do, being politically correct.

00:24:44.340 Here I am in the valley.

00:24:45.240 Yeah, you're looking at it.

00:24:46.540 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:24:47.860 Riley could be coming in any second here. 0.89

00:24:50.680 You talk about different policies that need to change,

00:24:53.840 but the one thing I don't really hear too, too much from you

00:24:56.120 is the need for reform on corporate pandering

00:25:00.900 from special interest groups, right?

00:25:02.680 How big of a problem do you think-

00:25:03.940 How much time do you have?

00:25:05.980 We sat with Alex Jones for almost four hours.

00:25:09.400 Yeah, we talk about this all the time.

00:25:11.040 But I mean, and I've mentioned this too,

00:25:12.740 and like corporate control over Washington, D.C.,

00:25:17.660 in my eyes, is one of the largest problems

00:25:19.260 we face as a country.

00:25:20.200 That and partisan programming that's happened

00:25:23.240 and not working together as a two-party system.

00:25:25.140 how big of a problem is it's a huge problem and i grew up thinking it was the problem and i don't

00:25:30.580 think that that's true okay in other words i think that that game got going specifically because

00:25:35.920 there were fundamental changes in the pipeline from science to technology to the general economy

00:25:42.040 okay and that that had to do with um some things that were going to change forever within science

00:25:47.500 and in um and its development now what happened as a result is that uh as you went from privileging

00:25:56.240 the sharpest minds to the sharpest elbows the sharpest elbows became a problem but if you

00:26:01.240 successfully redistributed all this wealth and you got rid of all the special deals

00:26:05.500 we'd still be i think in a terrible situation so you know it's very tempting because they're

00:26:11.920 they're actual villains and i'd love to go after villains and amuse ourselves taking over their

00:26:16.680 third and fourth homes, you know, throw parties, that'd be fun. But I don't think that that's going

00:26:22.080 to solve our problems. It's just, there are not enough villains and they didn't steal enough of

00:26:25.920 our wealth to make that a viable option. We have really actually exciting fundamental problems,

00:26:32.120 which is we have to invent really cool stuff. And if you go into an average room now and you ask,

00:26:39.080 is it 1973? How do I know? You say, oh, okay, well, they're the phones. Okay. Subtract the

00:26:43.860 phones off subtract the laptops off very quickly you have no idea except for design issues that

00:26:49.980 you're not in 1973 the world didn't change nearly as much as we were expecting what do you what

00:26:55.640 were we expecting oh you know like why why doesn't a drone get me my my my beverage refill because 0.75

00:27:02.800 of porn we suck well we're close we are close amazon amazon amazon sending drones to drop 0.93

00:27:08.120 things off do you think that's because of like the space boom like we go to the moon and then 0.98

00:27:13.700 now it's like all of a sudden we're we haven't gone and one side note did we go to the moon

00:27:18.740 yeah we went okay i think i agree i was yeah thank god it'd probably be harder to fake it

00:27:25.360 than to actually just go there yeah but you know in part the reason we don't do this is because

00:27:29.620 it's kind of a silly weird thing to uh you know the plastic cup and somebody just goes the faucet

00:27:35.500 it's not it's almost not worth innovating so partially we had these sort of silly dreams

00:27:40.240 Partially, we didn't realize how difficult those dreams were.

00:27:43.560 We're also weirdly out of sequence and things.

00:27:45.960 I bring up the rollerboard suitcase that you see on all airline flights.

00:27:50.160 It was developed in 1989 because nobody had figured out how to do wheeled luggage until 1989.

00:27:56.200 And there's nothing about it that's, like, wildly technological.

00:27:59.520 Ben Franklin could have done it, and he didn't do it.

00:28:01.360 Now they have ones that actually follow you.

00:28:03.420 They follow you through the airport.

00:28:04.700 You don't touch them.

00:28:05.680 They just follow you like a little.

00:28:07.180 Yeah.

00:28:07.540 Yeah, and they make ones you could ride around.

00:28:10.240 too is that what you're saying yeah yeah you can ride them like little scooters okay but that's

00:28:14.280 crazy still 1989 you said yeah but that's like yeah there's all sorts of stuff that's lagging

00:28:19.440 so i've given previously on the tim ferris program the example of the umbrella there's no way that 0.98

00:28:24.020 the umbrella is in final form it's just an idiot device it's there to poke your eyes out to blow up 0.62

00:28:29.680 everything goes wrong with water right and and like one day it's going to be obvious to us like 0.96

00:28:34.860 oh my god the johnson umbrella that was clearly wait why if you know that the umbrella is not in

00:28:41.100 final form like do you have any ideas on how we can innovate the umbrella absolutely what can we

00:28:46.120 do what how can we make the umbrella is this the top podcast in the world it's the number one

00:28:50.520 all right low gangsters here we go you didn't think i knew that did you i mean i don't know

00:28:57.420 you knew jake was engaged what you knew jake was engaged you congratulated me you go congrats

00:29:02.820 I was like, for what?

00:29:03.600 It's not every day, bro.

00:29:04.600 So anyway. 1.00

00:29:05.600 Whoa, what the fuck? 0.99

00:29:07.900 So what I was going to say is that all the low gangsters should figure out how. 1.00

00:29:11.960 This is how I'm going to innovate.

00:29:13.240 This is incredible.

00:29:14.500 I just.

00:29:15.980 Activate the audience.

00:29:17.280 Yeah.

00:29:17.960 Get them going.

00:29:18.640 Get them thinking.

00:29:19.380 Next.

00:29:20.920 What?

00:29:21.680 It's going to work.

00:29:22.780 Can you answer?

00:29:23.220 You guys got to do it.

00:29:24.140 Yeah, they're going to do it.

00:29:25.360 We'll figure it out, guys.

00:29:26.660 Well, it's good.

00:29:27.340 Can you answer?

00:29:27.620 So design us.

00:29:28.760 Send us your umbrella designs.

00:29:30.640 Is that what we need?

00:29:31.240 We need fewer moving pieces.

00:29:34.620 It needs to be safe at eye level.

00:29:36.480 It needs to not blow up in the wind and get destroyed.

00:29:39.160 It'd be nice if it was cheap and didn't get locked.

00:29:41.760 That's crazy.

00:29:42.620 That's crazy.

00:29:43.240 Go low, gang. 0.89

00:29:43.740 Should we shoot a little further and have it make toast or something like that, too?

00:29:48.860 He loves toast.

00:29:50.260 Why are we aiming so low?

00:29:51.760 Next, you're going to bring in the avocados and confirm all the stereotypes.

00:29:54.340 A little avocado toast.

00:29:56.060 It's $20 here in LA.

00:29:57.580 I mean, we need to innovate that process.

00:29:59.280 What if your umbrella could make it for you?

00:30:00.600 Exactly.

00:30:00.920 that's crazy question on uh recently rogan we were talking about this about the ufos that bob

00:30:07.320 lazar exposed and we were just talking about um how how this suppression of technology for

00:30:15.020 corporate interests is at play i don't know have you seen what bob lazar stands for and what he's

00:30:20.560 coming out with what he's been coming out with for 30 years no um so he's claiming that um listen

00:30:26.980 man do you believe in aliens do i believe in it have you been on a ufo and you wrote a ship are

00:30:31.700 you an alien no do you believe in it do you believe in aliens do i believe in aliens yeah

00:30:36.480 you think do you think alien technology is being hidden somewhere here in the united states god i

00:30:40.480 hope so that would be awesome probably not you don't think so bob lazar so you should check out

00:30:45.280 you should check out bob lazar he's he just they put a documentary out on netflix um long story

00:30:51.020 sure do you think that corporations are holding back technology for profits

00:30:58.100 sure but not alien technology probably here's an example i would also say sure like i'm like

00:31:07.840 how many years ahead are they with the iphone i think three three right yeah so the answer is

00:31:16.140 yes but there's obviously a strategic well i mean output strategy is the answer yes i mean

00:31:21.660 how far out you don't think so colin how far out are they really seeing as how they haven't done

00:31:25.780 anything innovative since the iphone you know what i'm saying like three years from now this

00:31:30.480 is the iphone it still looks exactly the same does yeah well that's what he's saying they're

00:31:33.700 holding back like the uh innovations they could be making because the corporation yeah money

00:31:40.600 so why would a corporation hold back their own technology that could improve their because you

00:31:45.280 You can knowingly release a slightly newer updated phone every year.

00:31:49.640 It's called planned obsolescence.

00:31:50.760 That's what I was just saying to Spencer.

00:31:52.300 Perfect.

00:31:52.920 Yeah.

00:31:54.360 Planned obsolescence.

00:31:55.600 You talk about borders a lot.

00:31:57.200 Talk about borders a lot. 0.99

00:31:58.060 What border would you set up to keep aliens out? 1.00

00:32:01.140 To keep aliens out.

00:32:02.920 I mean, there would be like a wild laser dome with plasma.

00:32:06.540 That's hard.

00:32:08.020 Hey, math.

00:32:08.520 That's cool.

00:32:09.340 That's cool.

00:32:09.880 Sharks and stuff.

00:32:10.780 Sharks too.

00:32:11.400 Sharks with lasers on the back.

00:32:12.940 it's a it's a yeah like flying fish shark hybrid we've seen them in don't we have like a defense

00:32:18.220 program that's kind of what's it called star wars don't we have it some sort of laser-bound defense

00:32:22.240 program currently well um no it's called space force no that's what trump wants to start well

00:32:28.800 is he doing it did he fund are you making a joke i'm being serious dead serious well the israelis

00:32:34.420 have this iron dome there's an iron dome in israeli israelian land okay so what is that

00:32:40.220 Could you explain that? 0.98

00:32:41.480 I don't think there are sharks, but I can't put it past the Israelis. 1.00

00:32:44.060 The Iron Dome is just their system of shooting down rockets 0.97

00:32:46.860 that are coming over from all the enemies.

00:32:49.160 Check it out.

00:32:50.220 All sorts of rockets.

00:32:52.620 Tiny images may be subject.

00:32:54.480 Is that really what you guys are worried about? 0.98

00:32:55.760 You're worried about alien illegal immigrants taking our jobs? 0.98

00:33:00.920 Like literally from outer space. 1.00

00:33:02.800 It could really potentially set us back.

00:33:05.600 I'm not sure.

00:33:06.200 So the Strategic Defense Initiative, also called Star Wars Defense Program,

00:33:10.220 is our strategic initiative from Reagan

00:33:12.560 that I believe still is in use today.

00:33:15.120 That is our nuclear missile defense program.

00:33:16.560 That was super controversial in my time.

00:33:18.520 Why?

00:33:19.200 Well, I think it was because it was going to,

00:33:22.200 you know, there's always been this question

00:33:23.500 of should we compete with the Russians?

00:33:25.600 Should we, or there was, 0.97

00:33:27.900 or should we befriend them and give them the technology?

00:33:31.120 Should we try to have one world government?

00:33:32.860 Should we try to have a Cold War

00:33:34.760 and mutually shared destruction?

00:33:36.260 Nobody's ever solved the problem of unlocking the atom.

00:33:40.220 uh what do you mean by that well like uh what is unlocking the atom that's what caused the that's

00:33:46.380 why we have nuclear weapons no so so that's when you split the atom all right so we we we split it

00:33:51.540 first and then we fused it next um you know this is we were joking before about the teller design

00:33:57.980 the uh teller at the end of the war uh world war ii um gets this letter from leo zillard who i guess

00:34:07.020 had pushed for the bomb and said, you know, hey, will you sign our letter saying that we have to

00:34:11.180 control this technology? And Teller more or less morally flips him the bird and says,

00:34:16.260 you're trying to solve your conscience. And I understand what we've just did and done and you

00:34:22.000 just don't. And what's really going on is we've given the world a very thin sliver of hope,

00:34:28.060 which is that war will become unthinkable. And the race now is to make the worst possible weapon 0.97

00:34:33.560 so that we will abandon war permanently. 0.84

00:34:36.020 And if you think we're going to put the nuclear genie back in the bottle,

00:34:39.620 you just haven't thought about this enough.

00:34:41.000 And we think of Teller as a monster, but it's not clear to us

00:34:43.880 that Teller isn't the guy who actually intuited the right calculus

00:34:49.020 of preservation in a post-nuclear age.

00:34:52.980 That's a scary thing to think about.

00:34:54.780 Yeah.

00:34:55.820 Now, the question is, how do we get off this rock?

00:35:01.940 Oh, you're on that wave.

00:35:03.560 Oh, yeah.

00:35:05.080 There's no long-term future here.

00:35:07.460 Elon Musk just tweeted an image that said Occupy Mars.

00:35:10.840 Yeah.

00:35:11.600 Mars?

00:35:12.200 Occupy Mars?

00:35:12.800 Is he still on Mars?

00:35:13.500 I don't know.

00:35:13.700 Mars buys us maybe a little bit of time.

00:35:15.620 It's a diversified experiment.

00:35:16.900 You're trying to go beyond.

00:35:17.560 You're trying to go to T-Garden B.

00:35:18.500 You're trying to get out of the Milky Way.

00:35:19.960 You're trying to hit up T-Garden B?

00:35:22.180 Is that Earth?

00:35:24.420 It's only 12 and a half million light years away, man.

00:35:26.640 No, 12 and a half light years.

00:35:27.780 That's what I said.

00:35:29.060 It's the most Earth-like exoplanet that they've found so far.

00:35:33.400 Yeah.

00:35:33.560 Yeah, T-Garden B, 12 and a half light years.

00:35:35.540 How are we going to get off this rock?

00:35:37.320 Well, there are two other rocks to go to, more or less.

00:35:42.260 I mean, we've landed on Titan, but that's not plausible.

00:35:44.940 Pluto's moon?

00:35:45.860 By the way, have you seen the picture of the land?

00:35:47.940 Put Titan landing photo.

00:35:50.020 Titan landing photo.

00:35:51.360 This is the weirdest thing.

00:35:52.280 It's like we paid for and successfully landed on Titan.

00:35:58.140 Which is one of Saturn's moons, right?

00:35:59.760 Yeah.

00:36:01.160 Are we looking for the actual?

00:36:02.780 Yeah.

00:36:03.200 Is this it?

00:36:03.560 No, no, no.

00:36:04.160 That's an artist rendering.

00:36:05.800 Go back to that.

00:36:06.500 That's a great artist.

00:36:07.680 That's a nice pancake.

00:36:09.000 Go down, go down, go down.

00:36:10.720 Is it one of these?

00:36:11.940 Oh, they got boats.

00:36:12.680 Is it one of these?

00:36:13.300 Nope.

00:36:13.860 How do they have a picture?

00:36:14.440 Oh, wait, wait, wait.

00:36:15.080 That's the one right to the left.

00:36:17.240 Middle. 0.98

00:36:17.940 You jumped in.

00:36:18.540 There you go.

00:36:18.800 Oh, oh.

00:36:19.520 The only one that looks real.

00:36:22.080 I'm avoiding that one.

00:36:23.040 Now, why this isn't the world's most famous photograph

00:36:25.100 and you actually have to search for it is bizarre.

00:36:28.000 Why?

00:36:29.120 We landed on Titan and we sent back a postcard

00:36:33.460 and nobody cares it was like the craziest when did we land of course nobody cares jake paul

00:36:37.480 has just got engaged do you know what i'm saying like yo with like 125 000 is this not part is this 0.99

00:36:44.120 not part of the problem eric is that people don't care about this kind of shit because 0.99

00:36:47.680 jake paul's engaged kardashian's got a new sex tape out no one gives a shit about this stuff 1.00

00:36:52.000 we are gonna ride the e-news uh train directly to the fucking ground but we are part of this 0.99

00:36:57.520 problem like why are we doing this podcast is because we care about people so we have to we 0.96

00:37:02.440 have to you know it's like charismatic megafauna nobody cares about saving stuff that isn't as

00:37:07.300 charismatic as a is a panda bear right so what do you do you need a panda bear to get everything

00:37:12.380 saved so you tell me we'd send a panda bear to titan that's what i'm talking pandas on titan 0.94

00:37:17.180 seriously think about it we can do this because that because then we'd feel like a fomo type like

00:37:22.160 we need to join the panda but what about this photo is so is so i mean like yeah it's remarkable

00:37:26.920 technology wise we got the postcard back from the one of saturn's moons but like what about this is

00:37:30.980 so great and screams the moon with an atmosphere that we successfully landed on this far out i mean

00:37:37.560 but what about our moon yeah we did that in the 69th what year are you yeah this is a lot farther

00:37:43.420 out we landed on it we want to let's let's hang out i understand that but my point is that the

00:37:49.420 the whole elon musk let's go to mars thing is is super intriguing because it's not that intriguing

00:37:55.480 right like we know that there's this big relatively uninteresting planet now maybe

00:38:01.400 we'll find some cool stuff on it no doubt but we're running out of time and we've only got

00:38:07.540 these two alternate rocks to visit we're not going to go to venus we're not going to go to mercury

00:38:11.160 we're not landing on pluto we're not going to titan and if you think about it when once you've

00:38:17.460 unlocked what i call the twin nuclei problem the nucleus of the worst problem i deal with it

00:38:23.140 constantly who doesn't even with antibiotics it's pretty bad but um once you've unlocked the cell

00:38:29.620 of the atom uh you start a clock and it's ticking on you and you don't know how we're going to get

00:38:34.900 out of this thing we're too powerful and we're not wise question for you 50 years from now 100

00:38:42.600 years from now earth is starting to become uninhabitable we've destroyed the planet or

00:38:48.600 or warfare has caused a problem so we're dropping nukes there people are are pillaging villages

00:38:55.920 people are dying we find this planet somewhere in the solar system yeah we all go in the solar

00:39:01.320 whatever wherever it is all right we all go there and we show up and we get approached by

00:39:07.000 tea garden b's border patrol but hold on this is going to go to a real place even though that

00:39:14.220 it's kind of funny we get to tr and b and they say stop right there and we say i have my children

00:39:20.500 with me my family my home is being ravaged by cartels or ravaged by war right i need shelter

00:39:27.920 here i need somewhere to go and they say we're really sorry we don't have place for you here

00:39:33.780 we're overpopulated we showed up unarmed yeah yeah oh i like this analogy what what i see what

00:39:40.580 you're doing what what do we do like what do we do how do we solve a problem where there's a wall

00:39:45.160 and people can't get into a place that is going to offer them some solace from the place that

00:39:50.920 they've been you know i'm so far out there that i'm talking about the fact that we need to exit

00:39:55.260 the solar system and you guys are worried about hey listen and border control t garden b could

00:40:02.920 have some serious you know no but i serious both are i mean one's definitely you're thinking way

00:40:07.900 way way ahead like how far out do you think uh the vision you're talking about leaving the planet

00:40:12.780 is it depends you see this is the thing that i find fascinating which is it was only around 100

00:40:18.400 years ago that einstein came up with the speed limit it's like we're he grounded us it's like

00:40:23.740 being grounded by your dad you were not leaving the solar system under any plausible adventure

00:40:29.300 scenario and so if you're like me you're trying to figure out okay so dad dad grounded me and now

00:40:35.320 he's left and now i have to figure out can i scale this wall out the window there's got to be some

00:40:40.680 way maybe what's proven to be very difficult obviously i agree but we know that it's not we

00:40:45.860 we're almost positive that relativity isn't the last word right because it's got these weird

00:40:50.980 singularities there's the initial singularity that gives you the big bang there's the schwarzschild

00:40:55.140 singularity that gives you black holes so as far as i'm concerned you know einstein tells us these 0.94

00:41:01.360 equations we probably need to recover them from a more fundamental theory but damn it's like

00:41:07.120 grandpa grounded us and i'm not i'm not accepting it i think we have to we have to keep pushing on

00:41:12.640 the fundamentals what does that mean with the he had a speed limit like not like a physical

00:41:17.320 traffic speed limit well a physical you're not going faster than the speed of light bucko speed

00:41:21.960 yeah got it yeah we were just talking about this but but

00:41:25.280 seems like a pretty plausible speed limit what it seems like a pretty plausible speed limit like

00:41:31.940 so did 55 but sammy hagar didn't listen oh my god he can't drive 55 i'm impressed i gotta bring

00:41:41.200 the 34 year old that's even like a 60 year old aspect to it great song einstein did have some

00:41:46.820 anomalies in his space-time and his general theory of relativity did he not is there a way to tear

00:41:52.940 that fabric? Well, you can wormhole

00:41:55.140 that fabric. Because I'm ready to

00:41:56.980 wormhole the shit out of this thing, dude. Like, how are we 0.94

00:41:58.980 going to do this tonight? How do we do

00:42:01.060 this? We're doing it tonight. Do we got to hit a certain

00:42:03.180 speed? Right now, yeah.

00:42:05.060 Do we have to go to Miami and spend

00:42:06.760 like a whole three-day

00:42:08.920 weekend at 11? Yes, yes.

00:42:10.940 And then the wormhole forms. Eric, I got to ask you,

00:42:12.800 did you ever partied at 11 in Miami?

00:42:14.960 Have I ever partied at 11? It's the name of a club.

00:42:17.040 No. Mark Roberts Club. It is

00:42:19.040 a mix between a nightclub, there

00:42:21.060 strippers and a wormhole if i'm being i i will be honest with you if you are gonna find a wormhole

00:42:26.600 in this country or this world it's at 11 at the bottom of the stripper i think you're mistaken

00:42:30.340 i got 400 i got 400 bucks out of the atm there and it was gone in two seconds

00:42:36.560 because you threw the whole lot dummy yeah but i think we probably roll in different ways

00:42:41.280 but i need to party with you you parted with riley and so have i so i've not parted i've

00:42:45.740 never met riley oh what no i just talked to her on the phone oh whoa really she spoke

00:42:51.040 really highly of you.

00:42:52.280 I think very, very highly of her.

00:42:54.540 It seemed like you guys had met.

00:42:56.040 So back to the wormhole situation.

00:42:58.380 How could a wormhole possibly

00:43:00.380 behold

00:43:01.840 via worm?

00:43:06.100 Say that again.

00:43:07.480 Because that was pretty good.

00:43:09.680 How could the wormhole

00:43:10.740 behold via worm?

00:43:12.200 Wait, sorry. 0.99

00:43:12.860 What the fuck are you saying right now? 0.99

00:43:16.620 This isn't water, is it? 1.00

00:43:17.860 Logan knows what you're saying, bro.

00:43:19.500 Logan knows, all right?

00:43:20.520 It's an energy thing.

00:43:21.500 I feel you.

00:43:22.120 Thank you.

00:43:22.780 I hear you.

00:43:23.640 I got it.

00:43:24.140 I got it.

00:43:24.440 I got it.

00:43:24.740 I don't really know.

00:43:27.160 I mean, I think that's just a topological solution that physicists entertain each other with.

00:43:33.680 But I'm not positive that that's really how we would get out of it.

00:43:36.260 I think that the key question is to figure out what is the successor to space time?

00:43:40.960 What is the successor to these two theories that seem irreconcilable in quantum field theory and general relativity?

00:43:47.900 Did you watch Interstellar?

00:43:50.520 I did watch Interstellar.

00:43:51.620 What did you think?

00:43:52.040 You like it?

00:43:52.960 Yeah, I did like it.

00:43:54.260 Scientifically accurate?

00:43:55.380 No, I mean, that's Kip Thorne.

00:43:57.640 It's like scientifically advised.

00:44:00.200 You know, it's-

00:44:01.360 Is a wormhole a sphere?

00:44:04.000 Is a wormhole a sphere?

00:44:06.960 Like they depicted in Interstellar?

00:44:09.760 I don't remember it being a sphere.

00:44:12.060 Oh, you don't?

00:44:12.580 The black hole was a sphere.

00:44:16.200 I think it bended the light around it.

00:44:19.020 No, no, no, Spencer.

00:44:20.520 I'm going to say this one more time.

00:44:22.460 So maybe you can understand.

00:44:24.020 The black hole was a sphere.

00:44:27.080 I disagree with you.

00:44:30.120 I'm going to type this in.

00:44:31.220 What shape is a black hole?

00:44:33.820 The black hole is actually, according to Google,

00:44:37.780 the black hole is always approximately spherical.

00:44:41.000 Because it's spherical.

00:44:43.540 And actually, they just got a picture of, I think it was the most,

00:44:48.040 vivid

00:44:50.220 the super massive black hole

00:44:52.760 yeah

00:44:53.480 so you're talking about the event horizon

00:44:55.820 of the black hole

00:44:57.060 the event horizon

00:45:01.780 Joe Rogan's got a guy who does this

00:45:03.560 remember that movie

00:45:04.380 the event horizon 0.97

00:45:06.680 it's a fucked up movie 0.99

00:45:07.960 is it this one 1.00

00:45:09.300 I think it's this one

00:45:10.020 this is crazy

00:45:14.740 this is crazy

00:45:16.320 can you explain what's happening in this little macaroni yeah it looks like that we see

00:45:21.480 cheeseburger with the cheese falling off it my belief is is that they they took a lot of very

00:45:27.380 faint light and did some sort of computer reconstruction and colorized it to make it

00:45:33.440 um this is some i don't think my guess is it's not a photo of a black hole so much as it is a

00:45:40.180 an interpretation of the data for our visual pleasure yeah so you know that's not an iphone

00:45:45.560 photo obviously this wasn't shot on that's not shot on it's not a composite supposedly android's

00:45:51.280 got a better camera so yeah but um yeah where where were we headed where were we i'll be honest

00:45:58.000 with you i we have no idea okay we have absolutely if you haven't figured that out by now i think the

00:46:01.840 producer saying i was promised that there was a plot no i love talking about space and macaroni

00:46:07.280 holes yeah hey listen though let's talk let's talk about money you want to talk about money or do you

00:46:12.320 Or the border conversation, too, is another thing.

00:46:15.600 Because you've been quite vocal on the borders on Twitter.

00:46:17.700 That's true.

00:46:18.700 Borders should be uninviting places, you say.

00:46:21.280 Yeah.

00:46:21.580 There should be a door, but it should be a small door, you say.

00:46:24.040 Well, this is just like adult 101, which is like it doesn't have to be, you know, concertina wire and machine gun nests.

00:46:33.720 Or like, hey, let's not have any border at all, and everybody can come.

00:46:38.260 A border is a place that should be uninviting.

00:46:41.060 It should not make you want to cross it if you don't have an invitation to come through.

00:46:45.540 And we definitely want to have immigration, which is a powerful part of our tradition.

00:46:50.520 And we don't want to be overwhelmed in an uncontrolled fashion. 0.56

00:46:55.000 And we don't want our own people.

00:46:56.720 And this is the biggest problem of all, which nobody will listen to. 1.00

00:47:00.480 The big problem with immigration has nothing to do with immigrants.

00:47:03.540 It's two groups of Americans fighting each other.

00:47:06.020 A group of Americans in control who knows how to redistribute the wealth of other Americans. 0.90

00:47:11.060 And they use immigrants to do that. 0.94

00:47:13.240 And that's the biggest problem we have is I wrote a paper, for example, called Migration for the Benefit of All that said, hey, if you want to open a border and not screw people over like workers, here's how you do it. 0.99

00:47:25.660 And I came up with an entire economic theory and pushed it over to corporate America and said, how do you feel about this, guys?

00:47:35.280 Because they had always claimed that all we want to do is make the world more efficient.

00:47:39.240 But the tiny efficiency game that you get in immigration is dwarfed by the amount of money

00:47:44.480 transferred from American workers to the holders of American stock. And so the big problem that

00:47:50.400 we're having is that the people who are the owners of capital are hiding behind the immigrants 0.95

00:47:57.000 saying, oh, you wouldn't hurt an immigrant, would you? And it's like, stop hiding behind 0.79

00:48:00.400 the immigrants. It's you and me. It's two groups of Americans. You're trying to redistribute

00:48:04.640 money from my pocket into your pocket. And if you could use puppy dogs to do it rather than

00:48:10.180 immigrants, you'd use puppy dogs. So you're calling them almost like a scapegoat or some

00:48:13.480 sort of vessel for delivery of a, it's a mech. It's a mechanism, right? The immigrants are

00:48:18.700 relevant to the problem. The problem comes from the fact that very rich, powerful people who know 1.00

00:48:23.360 what they're doing, want the money of people who are too busy working and not sophisticated in the

00:48:29.080 game to know how to defend themselves. And the whole game is, I bet I can get you to get angry

00:48:34.140 immigrants then i can cry xenophobia and so my point to them is no no no i could open the border

00:48:39.500 and stop your little transfer game by actually using free market economics and you're not going

00:48:44.440 to like it because you're lying this is back to your point about corporate interests the corporate

00:48:49.220 interests have been whining complaining about labor shortages well there's no such thing as a

00:48:55.020 long-term labor shortage in a market economy right none and we get they get relief for these labor

00:49:02.280 shortages. But like, you know, I always make this joke that I've got a Ferrari shortage in my

00:49:06.440 driveway. And people say, well, what do you mean a Ferrari shortage? I say, well, I can't get a

00:49:11.920 Ferrari. And they say, well, you know, you don't know where they're sold? Oh, I know where they're

00:49:16.080 sold. I just don't feel like paying that much for a car. Well, that's not a shortage. I mean,

00:49:20.940 there's plenty of Ferraris if you want one. Well, the point is, I don't want to pay that price.

00:49:25.720 Well, the employers of America know where the labor is. They just don't want to pay the prices.

00:49:32.280 And so we're actually taking them serious.

00:49:34.100 Like we're giving them Ferraris and saying, oh, you know, you guys are in such a bad shape.

00:49:40.000 We have to make sure that you get exactly what you want at the price that you want.

00:49:43.540 Well, that's not what a market economy is.

00:49:45.260 Right. 0.80

00:49:45.840 And that price of labor is our wage.

00:49:49.120 How can we make the border an uninviting place?

00:49:52.640 But not impossible.

00:49:54.280 Just uninviting.

00:49:55.340 Well, we have to stop these.

00:49:56.800 Look, it's very important to get the open border people and the closed border people into a room to fight with each other and to leave the rest of us the hell alone so we can actually talk about sensible immigration policy.

00:50:08.780 So if you have either an open border or a closed border position, you're not an adult.

00:50:12.920 Included in the – see, now you're bringing up a different point because – which is even more important than policy that is influenced by corporate greed.

00:50:22.960 Sure.

00:50:23.140 and it's what i would consider the largest problem hands down that our country faces right now which

00:50:29.720 is a bipartisan which is a partisan system that is not working together well two aisles that when

00:50:35.240 one aisle says we have 100 certainty that this is what's happening and this is how we solve it

00:50:41.640 the other party will say behind closed doors we believe you but we will not do it because you're

00:50:48.480 in the other party but it's not it's worse than that because there's an anti-immigration part of

00:50:52.300 the democrats and there's a pro-immigration part of the democrats there's an anti-immigration part 0.96

00:50:56.320 of the republicans and a pro-immigration part so we're just all fucked well i'm just saying that

00:51:00.420 the more important division is between people who know what they're doing redistributing the

00:51:06.480 the wealth and income of others and people who do not want this to happen but stray into xenophobic

00:51:13.780 territory and so most of the rest of us are in this very unpleasant place which is that we don't

00:51:19.100 want to come down for effectively the theft of wealth from the defenseless to the very well

00:51:26.020 healed. And we don't want to put up with anybody saying, you know, the problem with Mexicans is

00:51:31.820 this or that, because that's disgusting. It's not who we are as a country. Where's the compromise? 0.99

00:51:36.560 Where do we find some sort of common ground? Is it like you said, putting these guys and

00:51:43.120 these guys in timeout and letting the rational adults have a conversation? Traditionally,

00:51:47.880 What we did is we gave immigration duties in Congress to people from landlocked states.

00:51:53.340 Oh, that aren't affected by immigrants.

00:51:55.500 So that they aren't under the same political pressure.

00:51:57.600 Incredible.

00:51:57.800 So you had like Tennessee or Wyoming getting the chairmanship of the committee that was going to deal with immigration to insulate these people because we know.

00:52:08.040 How Texas is going to vote.

00:52:09.300 Well, and we know that anybody on a border is going to be either calculating that this is their way to wealth or they're frightened that they're going to be overrun.

00:52:18.640 So when you come up with simple solutions like that, what is the blockade for those simple solutions to come to fruition?

00:52:25.220 It's corporate greed or some sort of initiative or incentive for people to block that.

00:52:33.780 Because that sounds very simple.

00:52:36.120 Yeah, it's very sensible.

00:52:36.920 I've seen some people from Ohio to talk about regulation and economics on the border.

00:52:41.560 Yeah.

00:52:41.860 We have a situation in which we are lying about just about everything in policy.

00:52:47.580 And we've been doing it for so long because of this growth issue.

00:52:51.560 What I'm claiming, I think, happened around 1973 is that the entire economy had been built on an expectation of growth.

00:53:00.420 and when that expectation could no longer be sustained the embedded growth obligation inside

00:53:07.460 of every institution whether a university or a medical practice or a hospital whatever it is

00:53:12.480 couldn't couldn't be met so all of those things were like a plane that has to be moving at a

00:53:17.700 certain speed or it'll stall out and the planes were no longer able to go at the speed that they

00:53:23.140 needed to so instead what they started doing is like throwing people out you know effectively

00:53:27.740 doing anything they could to avoid whatever the stall speed problem was. And that's where we've

00:53:33.160 been. We've been in about 45 years of across the board, lying by our experts to defend the

00:53:39.460 institution's right to continue. Like college. I mean, many fewer people need to be going to

00:53:45.620 college and it needs to be delivering value. Now that is such an explosive idea. We need to totally

00:53:52.640 redo our medical care. We need to stop being such a litigious society. We need to start looking for 1.00

00:53:57.280 new technologies and uh investing all these things that we don't do um they're just politically

00:54:05.680 unpalatable and that's the thing is we're in a revolution because we're doing a slow weird

00:54:10.620 unwind of 45 years of mental rot it's just it's intellectual malware between the ears of

00:54:17.400 everybody and by the way my head is filled with malware i have so much malware in my own head

00:54:22.660 which mean malware just wrong ideas put there by teachers by experts talking heads so how do you

00:54:30.800 purge yourself we do this we talk we talk through stuff and we and we listen for the people who are

00:54:37.040 challenging these things um and we and we promote them and you know one of the one of god's great

00:54:42.840 gifts was the podcast because this thing is unregulated you guys are in the wild west and

00:54:49.020 the fact is that they haven't figured out how to shut us down but if they could shut us down

00:54:53.120 believe me we would be under the same pressure that youtube is putting on their various channels

00:54:58.160 uh not to say anything interesting do you think they is um like traditional media or who do you

00:55:05.100 think they is well in general they has to do with what i would consider um i call the gated

00:55:12.980 institutional narrative. And this is this concept that there, there used to be this thing,

00:55:19.680 this discussion that we weren't a part of, we could watch. And like the democratic party would

00:55:25.040 call up their friends at the Brookings institution and Brookings, you know, would ask, well, what's

00:55:30.480 happening over at, you know, Princeton and Princeton. So, so you have this, this group of

00:55:37.980 actors and institutions that were trading ideas amongst themselves. And it was a little bit like

00:55:42.840 professional wrestling with a promotion where, okay, you're going to agree to take this fall

00:55:48.580 and then he's going to become the winner. You're not actually holding a real discussion. What

00:55:54.240 you're really doing is you're doing a scripted exploration of an idea. And that's what I think

00:55:59.780 has been starting to erode is that you couldn't pass NAFTA today. You couldn't say, free trade

00:56:07.200 isn't in the best interests of all Americans because it's not true. Everybody always knew

00:56:11.320 it wasn't true. It was never true. There was no point in time when that was true. And the idea

00:56:15.920 that you could push an idea like that through, because everybody agreed to say, well, you know,

00:56:22.240 privately, I know that it's only true that it's better for everyone if we tax the hell out of the

00:56:27.140 winners to pay the losers, and we're never going to do that. So, you know, it was a lie based around

00:56:32.600 a hidden program that was never going to happen. And you had essentially 100%

00:56:37.340 um, participation, uh, by the economics community, lying about the, about immigration,

00:56:44.060 lying about trade and lying about our finances. So, so who has a microphone now or a platform

00:56:52.620 that is able to exercise blocks, uh, or, or balances even to not let things happen that

00:57:02.960 aren't right. Like now the top's been blown off, right? Podcasts, everyone's got a platform to

00:57:08.940 stand on. But you can ignore people. This is the interesting thing. The gated institutional

00:57:13.260 narrative can't shut down the information anymore. But, you know, for 20 plus years,

00:57:19.880 I've had a paper on the internet currently available from the Institute for New Economic

00:57:24.960 Thinking about how the National Academy of Sciences and the National Science Foundation

00:57:30.640 effectively conspired to pass the Immigration Act of 1990 with provisions to make it impossible

00:57:40.220 for Americans to get market salaries using immigration as the tool. And I'm waiting for 0.85

00:57:48.980 the first person to say, Eric is completely full of it because that'll start a fight and they don't

00:57:54.520 want to start the fight because they know it's true. So I can, I can come on these shows. I can

00:57:58.440 say uh you know to check out this paper called how and why government university and industry

00:58:03.320 uh create labor shortage of of um high-skilled professionals and no one everyone will read the

00:58:10.480 paper the reporters will say this is a great story can i break it and then it always dies

00:58:14.780 who's who's killing it we don't know higher ups managers if you're listening to this right now

00:58:19.360 and you're at an economic publication pull it up how how and why government university and industry

00:58:26.160 why are you not talking about this don't know why not wall street journal new york times why

00:58:30.860 are we not talking about this university whether it's right or wrong why government university and

00:58:34.940 industry in the industry government university and industry industry and then put in labor

00:58:42.360 shortages and see what comes up it'll come up from labor he's he's in he's in troubling terror

00:58:47.580 but this is this is like really interesting because oh i'm perfect i know how to search

00:58:53.320 Yep, there we go.

00:58:54.200 Eric R. Weinstein, PhD.

00:58:55.520 Okay, so what I'm claiming is that this goes through the allegation that our scientific complex got together behind closed doors without anybody knowing and effectively conspired to cut off the ability of Americans to bargain for market wages using immigration as a tool.

00:59:17.320 And this is what gave us the H-1B visa.

00:59:18.860 Can you explain to people that are watching this right now what market wages are?

00:59:24.460 Well, whatever the price is that is necessary in order to get you to take a job.

00:59:29.660 Like this fine gentleman over here, he could be a waiter.

00:59:34.440 On the other hand, he could be a stock analyst.

00:59:36.980 And the key question is if I think that he should become a stock analyst for a little bit more than the wages of a waiter, he's going to tell me I'm not going to take your job.

00:59:48.860 Right. And so he won't accept the offer because the offer is too low.

00:59:53.120 Well, the problem was that these people wanted to pay terrible wages to American scientists because they'd gotten used to the idea that American scientists would give up their youth for a career afterwards.

01:00:09.800 Right. And so people would contribute lots of labor early on, like interns, postdocs, what have you.

01:00:14.800 and what these guys figured out was that you could use people coming from lower wage countries

01:00:21.780 to take these jobs and put pressure on americans so that they couldn't bargain for wages and

01:00:27.940 i'm wondering how long this took you to write this is really really detailed really long

01:00:35.100 really in depth yep and and if you know that the response is going to be kind of like nil to this

01:00:40.380 how come you do it well i mean i've been astounded right like i've been talking about this for

01:00:46.960 decades and i do it in high high profile plays i presented this at the national academy of sciences

01:00:53.220 like the nation's top scientific organization i got a standing ovation which was unheard of

01:00:59.320 for this work and then when people started talking about what happened they completely

01:01:05.360 omitted the fact that there was a bombshell revelation um in the meeting so my belief

01:01:13.200 about this is that the people who know that this has to be suppressed understand that the best

01:01:18.560 thing to do is to not engage it just pretend it's not there so i walk out of that meeting 0.67

01:01:22.160 i say weinstein just dropped a fucking bombshell yeah on the crowd i am gonna go call the new york 0.98

01:01:28.520 times put this shit in layman's terms and we're gonna blow this thing up what happens i make that 0.98

01:01:33.400 phone call this do i get a phone call back that says hey jimmy well i noticed i noticed that you're 0.98

01:01:39.700 you just signed your daughter up for uh school would you like her to make it to her first day

01:01:43.740 what what just happened to me with the san jose uh mercury news yeah it's like this is amazing

01:01:49.880 i want to do a piece on this i said yeah i understand and you're gonna you're gonna call

01:01:55.880 me back in three weeks and you're gonna say i really want to do that but my editor just said

01:02:01.180 it wasn't right wasn't a good look it's like what do you mean good look so what is so what is so

01:02:07.980 what is happening let's just take the concept of labor shortage do you believe that long-term

01:02:12.800 labor shortages occur in market economies yes or no i say no it's a very simple statement long-term

01:02:20.200 labor shortages do not occur in market economies right very simple because the wage level can rise

01:02:26.220 to fill any labor shortage all right why are we talking about uh tech employers facing labor 0.92

01:02:32.600 shortages are we morons do we think that we're in a communist command and control economy i have 0.97

01:02:37.560 no idea i have no idea why anybody who's self-respecting would say you know the problem 0.96

01:02:42.880 with tech is that we're experiencing a long-term labor shortage in stem occupation no we're not

01:02:48.520 every every smart person knows that we're not it's it's total so are there late are there

01:02:54.060 skilled stem you know scientists or or or workers or laborers right now that are looking for a job

01:03:01.620 job in silicon valley they're not able to get them tons of stem people and they're not able

01:03:07.000 to get them because because the jobs are not offering enough uh incentive to do so or what's

01:03:14.520 what first of all it's not just silicon valley right like i mean if you you know the guy who

01:03:18.420 Cleveland, whatever, yeah.

01:03:19.740 The guy who developed, put in the GFP bunnies.

01:03:26.820 Oh, these sound cool.

01:03:28.440 Is it related to the Swedish fish?

01:03:30.700 Yeah, sort of. 1.00

01:03:33.140 GFP bunnies. 0.92

01:03:33.960 I put a D. 0.99

01:03:34.820 Is that going to be a problem?

01:03:35.280 No, yes.

01:03:37.480 Those are like the little bunnies that do backflips at the toy store.

01:03:40.400 Also, a P is an upside down, D.

01:03:42.360 All right, what is this?

01:03:43.320 Green fluorescent protein.

01:03:44.840 Yeah, so give me a video for this.

01:03:47.800 Okay.

01:03:48.420 there we go yeah turkish scientists genetically yeah there we modify bunnies that's right that's

01:03:54.040 what we need you guys don't you know wait hold on this is awesome though imagine all the things

01:03:57.900 you could do with a glow-in-the-dark bunny may i say something else yeah of course i don't think 0.99

01:04:01.160 i don't think jake knows about gfp bunnies oh shit that's gonna be sick sick sick like bait 0.99

01:04:07.540 so they actually just use this same okay so these are glow-in-the-dark bunnies right whoa 0.99

01:04:13.060 And they took this GFP protein out of, what, jellyfish?

01:04:17.680 Yeah.

01:04:17.980 And they fused it into mammalian genetics to create these guys.

01:04:23.740 Now, the guy who was instrumental in developing GFP was a guy named Doug Prasher.

01:04:29.580 Wow.

01:04:30.180 And his, I don't know, his postdoc came to an end, and he couldn't get any funding.

01:04:35.980 so he um he turned over all of his research to permanent scientists because he was like having

01:04:42.000 trouble coming up the system and he started driving a shuttle bus in huntsville alabama for

01:04:48.240 like 35 000 a year and meanwhile his his team gets the nobel prize for gfp because let's be honest

01:04:57.240 this is pretty awesome well yeah okay so if you ever lost your bunny in the dark yeah why is this

01:05:03.540 why is this important why is this important because you can tag anything with something

01:05:07.200 that will phosphoresce and if you target it it's like it's cool to do bunnies because i just think

01:05:11.940 glow in dark yeah they're great that's great but you could also get for example the particular

01:05:17.180 neurons that are active in a c elegans worm maybe to fluoresce so you can see how the brain is

01:05:23.260 working they use this same technology recently in um the new yeezys that just came out i don't

01:05:29.800 know if you saw that they are actually able to glow in the dark gfp yeezys okay so did you see

01:05:35.140 those why are you looking at me like that did i do something wrong to harm you in some way no

01:05:39.420 no i'm not serious at all just to close the loop on the other thing they are they are glow in the

01:05:45.840 dark yeah i just don't think it's this it was not gfp proteins i don't know but what i was going to

01:05:51.400 get at was that the guy who was profiled in the new york times as having she should have won the

01:05:57.380 Nobel prize. I called him up a year afterwards. And I said, what are you doing? He's like,

01:06:02.040 I'm still driving a shuttle bus. It's like, are you kidding me? Like the New York times profiles

01:06:06.380 you and says you were deserving of a Nobel prize. And a year later, after the entire world sees that

01:06:12.760 you got shafted, no institution is aggressive enough that they want to say, how about you

01:06:18.980 take $50,000 and come work for us. We're out of our minds. We're throwing away scientists.

01:06:26.120 we're discarding these people that we train because we're we're in this crazy game of trying

01:06:32.720 to get all the young people to contribute their labor for free right think about all your friends

01:06:37.280 with internships so many right why i should i should start doing that it's the only way people

01:06:45.000 are gonna fall for it i could really save a lot of money you know how many interns have reached out

01:06:49.460 to to me and logan directly and said i'll shoot for absolutely free i just want to be i want to

01:06:54.080 learn just right there have probably even been interns that have said hey like i'm equally as

01:06:58.540 funny as mike so you don't have to pay me and yeah i mean you could fire me right now and some

01:07:02.780 this guy will just come sit here for free the economy works when you say if you don't pay me

01:07:09.740 i'm walking and by the way i'm kind of pissed off that you didn't you didn't come up with a

01:07:14.800 more aggressive offer so i've taken what was on the table before and i'm going to raise it seven

01:07:19.100 percent above that and if you don't like it i'm out of here what's it going to be when you have

01:07:24.260 that kind of power that's when wages go up now if you don't have that kind of power because

01:07:31.100 your employee your boss is oh don't let the door hit you on your way out which is always the case

01:07:36.320 which is frequently the case it's not always the case smart employers don't do that well

01:07:40.400 and if you're a super you know if you're if you're a super high performer you know i i have no doubt

01:07:46.500 that um you know uh i don't know billy eilish can oh for sure can can negotiate a great deal

01:07:55.220 but that's a very particular talent and skill you know so do you think that what you've detailed in

01:08:01.720 your in your report is this suppression of scientists all right what are they doing with

01:08:09.000 those wages that that they have the money to give higher wages but what are they doing with that

01:08:14.480 money well i don't think that they have a lot of money like the whole reason that we coming back

01:08:21.320 to bernie and the debt forgiveness is that we don't have any plan to keep these universities

01:08:27.040 open we have a huge number of research institutions and they're depending on young people to contribute

01:08:33.220 their labor speculatively so that they may one day have a job in the future right that was the

01:08:39.020 old system and now you know you don't have a future you're not going to contribute your labor

01:08:42.900 in your youth you're gonna say i'm out of here i'm going to tulum you know or mykonos or what

01:08:48.060 yeah great places yeah they really are what's what's that producer saying oh he's saying we

01:08:53.020 got two minutes which actually is a good out because there's some things i want to talk about

01:08:55.800 in the audio only it's basically this but it's audio only okay um so yo eric thank you for coming

01:09:00.020 on impulsive man for real thanks for having of course you're blessing us with knowledge the most

01:09:03.600 smartest guy i know and uh really appreciate you they can find you on social media i'm looking

01:09:07.620 here eric r weinstein and i think it's important to know that i am starting a podcast called the

01:09:12.880 portal saw that yeah yeah let's hear it and the idea is the portal is the search for a way out of

01:09:21.840 these issues and problems to a better world think about um like alice in the looking glass or the

01:09:29.300 rabbit hole or the phantom toll booth there's got to be some way out through the portal to get to a

01:09:34.760 better place and that's what it's going to be about i love it where can they find when is that

01:09:37.940 going to be uh live uh i think it's coming up in july when i we've just recorded our first episode

01:09:44.320 can't talk more about it but we're going to get a few more in the can and uh hopefully we're going

01:09:49.000 hit our stride okay great great you guys heard it here first we're going to itunes only itunes

01:09:53.780 audio only itunes spotify audio only right now on impulsive the number one podcast in the world

01:10:00.480 thank you guys for listening hit that box here we are i want to ask you about religion yeah are

01:10:06.900 you religious well i mean i'm an atheist but i go to synagogue why why because i do prayers on

01:10:13.640 friday night because it's you want to keep uh optics no i'm this confuses me isn't well so

01:10:20.760 you think it's all about belief i don't know enlighten me no i don't know i mean i let i let

01:10:25.720 the the spirit move me it doesn't mean that it confuses me but you know why do you go to a movie

01:10:32.160 I like movies.

01:10:33.100 I'm going in an hour to a movie.

01:10:35.100 Okay, so what movie are you going to go see?

01:10:36.580 It's Midsommar, it's called.

01:10:38.180 Okay.

01:10:38.880 Now, there's probably going to be a narrative arc.

01:10:41.120 There's going to be love interest.

01:10:42.560 There's going to be daring do.

01:10:44.400 But you know that none of that stuff's real.

01:10:46.160 It's just photons and a wall.

01:10:47.580 And yet you go.

01:10:48.460 Why?

01:10:49.540 Entertainment.

01:10:50.280 Yeah, okay.

01:10:50.820 So the idea is that I'm going for some sort of spiritual meaning.

01:10:54.720 I've got two gorgeous kids.

01:10:56.220 I want to keep my family together.

01:10:57.640 The world is coming apart.

01:10:58.820 and i happen to have access to a religion that's been around for more than 5 000 years

01:11:03.100 and has been helping people who have believed in that religion make great scientific discoveries

01:11:08.780 like nobody else's business you think i'm gonna give this up because i don't think there's a

01:11:12.880 beer to do in a cloud there's no way wait wait i'm confused is anyone else confused is this just me

01:11:18.800 i'm not i'm not at all i really want to flesh this out because the religion is super interesting to

01:11:22.600 me so being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean you don't practice religion well i mean if the

01:11:30.280 question is will i say will i say prayers will i observe rituals yeah what are you doing when you

01:11:34.920 go to the synagogue on fridays well in general uh mostly i go saturday mornings uh i'm i listen

01:11:42.720 i listen to the voices and the music some of the greatest music takes place in my synagogue

01:11:48.560 the kitchen, uh, in San Francisco. Um, the teachings of my rabbi, uh, are fantastic.

01:11:56.120 Uh, I disagree with her on so many things, but Rabbi Noah Kushner is, uh, an amazing teacher

01:12:02.840 and she stimulates me and I appreciate hanging out with my community, my friends

01:12:07.820 and, uh, being part of something greater than myself. If you, if, when you go see the movie

01:12:13.780 later that you're going to see, I think the point he's making or the analogy he's making is

01:12:17.740 what if the movie is sheer

01:12:20.560 fiction? Nothing you're watching on the screen

01:12:22.660 is real. You know that. They're traveling around on a

01:12:24.620 flight. Oh, so it amuses you. Yes. Religion

01:12:26.460 amuses you. Or mass is a form of discipline. 0.96

01:12:29.140 I find that somewhat sacrilegious,

01:12:31.360 Mr. Logan.

01:12:31.900 Yo.

01:12:34.700 No face, no face. You're just getting duped.

01:12:37.000 I don't know what he's saying.

01:12:39.100 The answer could very well be 1.00

01:12:40.680 yes, but am I a fucking moron? 1.00

01:12:42.260 No, no, no. I think you're just missing the... 1.00

01:12:44.340 When you watch... This is what he's saying,

01:12:46.200 not me because you guys know i love jc he loves jesus but what he's saying is if you're watching

01:12:52.820 a piece of fiction you don't need to believe the fiction to enjoy the movie so you're christian

01:12:59.260 yes okay i'm not christian i don't believe that jesus christ is lord and savior that's fine but

01:13:05.380 that we're still home but that's but that yeah but that but that that voice has so much wisdom

01:13:12.540 in it are you imagining that i need to believe in the immaculate birth and and the resurrection

01:13:19.160 in order to to i mean how much crazy good stuff did this guy say okay so i'm saying you're you

01:13:26.280 agree with the pillars of religion and what the intent of religion is for people no but okay 0.99

01:13:33.260 well fuck here can i can i try another analogy first off atheism is the the you don't believe 0.97

01:13:39.500 in god right for sure in gods i'll tell you what it is right now atheism is the disbelief or lack 0.99

01:13:45.980 of belief in the existence of gods yeah it's what you just said yeah that's good that's fine so

01:13:49.960 we have full definition so you you you're going there for the value and for the messaging but

01:13:55.660 you're you're not buying there for the spirituality i'm going there to be uplifted i'm going there for

01:14:01.360 the same reasons you're probably going there are you absolutely sure that a bunch of stuff that you

01:14:06.160 did not witness absolutely happen no you're not sure you vacillate sometimes right i'll be honest

01:14:11.900 with you the re the one of the reasons i go yeah okay is because do you know what happens if you're

01:14:16.220 wrong yeah no no no no i gotta tell you eric i gotta tell you i'm sorry i wish i got to tell

01:14:21.260 you on the video version because we i don't think there's many listeners as to our viewers

01:14:24.320 testify that you will go to a place yeah where no no not like this hitler will shove pineapples 0.96

01:14:31.980 up your ass every single day don't do it i'm sorry to tell you this eric yeah you can't be 0.99

01:14:37.500 wrong about this shit okay and so i gotta be i gotta hang out with my boy jc because he's gonna 1.00

01:14:44.760 keep me out of that dark place that sunken place so you're you're absolutely positive you're 0.98

01:14:49.180 absolutely positive that that particular version is the right version the pineapples or the lord

01:14:55.860 on the savior on the cross you know that my point to you is um you're not absolutely sure that's one

01:15:02.080 of the reasons you're so adamant with me because you think that that's a possibility and you're

01:15:06.740 hoping that you bet on the right horse but if i told you that i have two separate books right

01:15:11.300 and then book a says everything in here is true and book b is wrong and book b says everything

01:15:18.320 here true is book a is wrong and the books are otherwise identical you have no means of figuring

01:15:23.480 out which of these is the correct facts to another good example other than a fictional movie yeah

01:15:30.140 that i would bring up to make it a little bit easier for you to understand is

01:15:33.380 people who are not addicts or alcoholics that go to aa and na meetings yeah so you're like what

01:15:40.620 they're talking the whole meeting about how to not use again and somebody's like i've never done a

01:15:45.160 drug in my life why am i here because there's a great message there's an uplifting spirituality

01:15:49.320 that exists in the code dependency is generic right there you go and so i do how are we done

01:15:55.820 we can't talk about kyle kashuv i wanted to talk about kyle kashuv do we not have time to talk

01:16:00.760 about that he's got it all right i can maybe you guys can i wanted to talk about the two you're

01:16:06.320 blending the two worlds of physics together right the two disciplines can you guys talk about it

01:16:09.760 i have to mob our maybe that's for your podcast no maybe if we tune in over there i'd actually

01:16:14.120 like you guys to close by the way guys i'm gonna i'm gonna move to this fair city of yours so it'd

01:16:18.600 be great to see you at any other future point we can continue whenever you like hey very true

01:16:23.160 that'd be awesome that's fine part two one may say i'm gonna shake your hand eric i gotta go

01:16:28.880 thank you guys of course it's been amazing thank you really appreciate it wait wait are we signing

01:16:31.740 off yeah we can that's fine he said another time that's fine all right all right here we go eric

01:16:35.860 thank you brother eric r weinstein on instagram thank you red is five stars or you're going to

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Impaulsive with Logan Paul - July 03, 2019

ERIC WEINSTEIN IS THE SMARTEST MAN IN THE WORLD - IMPAULSIVE EP. 96

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