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00:02:12.260 Ladies and gentlemen, it's Jolly Roll.

00:02:14.520 You know two people that get hated the most is handsome people and fat people.

00:02:17.840 You're handsome and I'm fat.

00:02:19.080 We should really relate to each other.

00:02:21.080 Getting the chokeslam awesome theory.

00:02:23.060 Dude, that was sick.

00:02:24.420 It was so good.

00:02:25.980 MGK and Megan Fox.

00:02:27.060 I pull up on them.

00:02:27.860 I'm like, do you want a ride?

00:02:29.140 And you mentioned that everyone hated you,

00:02:32.440 and I don't know if you were joking, if you were serious.

00:02:34.140 I was dead serious.

00:02:34.840 So now everyone loves you, and I've had the opposite journey.

00:02:39.360 I also, man, between us, I don't know if I want to go that deep,

00:02:42.640 but I still have to fight the, like, do I want to get up some days?

00:02:47.840 You know what I mean?

00:02:48.500 Like, I don't know.

00:02:59.140 He got a haircut on the last episode.

00:03:01.220 Yo, just the episode before this?

00:03:03.400 Yeah.

00:03:04.340 Fire?

00:03:05.140 I feel like I missed all the good.

00:03:06.460 You got equity in the company?

00:03:07.720 He got a haircut?

00:03:08.280 It was a big episode, that last episode.

00:03:10.700 He was talking about his kid.

00:03:12.360 We talked about Mudang the hippo.

00:03:14.380 You know who Mudang is?

00:03:15.620 Oh, dude, Mudang is a big deal.

00:03:17.080 Big deal.

00:03:17.760 We also talked about death by nitrogen gas.

00:03:22.260 Really?

00:03:22.900 Yeah, euthanasia in America.

00:03:24.540 Let's kick this off the right way.

00:03:25.780 What are your thoughts on euthanasia?

00:03:27.120 Do you have your PR team with you?

00:03:28.160 I can't.

00:03:28.600 Yeah.

00:03:28.760 No, she just left. We're actually wide open.

00:03:31.080 In fact, y'all can put this podcast out whenever you want to

00:03:33.420 and make no edits.

00:03:37.020 She's gone. The cats away. The mice will play.

00:03:39.780 Burn it down.

00:03:41.100 Who are you voting for, Mike?

00:03:42.840 No, just kidding.

00:03:43.920 All right.

00:03:46.300 My favorite topic.

00:03:48.640 I'm tired, Jelly Roll.

00:03:50.160 No, I'm sure you are. You're a new dad.

00:03:52.480 The dad thing is pretty tiring.

00:03:53.440 It's real.

00:03:53.960 They were right. Oh, my gosh. I'm tired.

00:03:55.900 Let me intro you.

00:03:57.540 Please.

00:03:57.800 Ladies and gentlemen, it's Jelly Roll.

00:04:01.960 It's me.

00:04:03.260 I made it to impulsive.

00:04:04.780 I love the show.

00:04:05.300 I've been watching you all a long time.

00:04:06.480 I'm like every other guy that has had a YouTube channel since YouTube started.

00:04:09.760 Heck yeah.

00:04:10.480 Thank you, man.

00:04:11.000 I appreciate that.

00:04:12.140 That means a lot.

00:04:13.260 I want to say something to you right off the rip.

00:04:16.200 We've crossed paths a couple times.

00:04:19.520 Backstage, WWE, usually the big events, the PLEs.

00:04:23.500 And we've always said what's up.

00:04:24.920 but i've not actually sat down and got to have like any sort of real conversation with you

00:04:31.060 and a part of me feels like bad about that like i regret it because from what i hear you're the

00:04:38.440 best person on the planet number one is what they is what they say most he is a positive force of

00:04:44.720 nature i i i before this episode even starts this is going to be one of the most important

00:04:50.360 and amazing episodes that ever comes out i'm just gonna set the expectations right now because he

00:04:55.760 is one of the most positive and amazing people that exists in this world i have not met one

00:05:00.440 person who knows this man that does not speak of him in the highest of nature and that's got to

00:05:06.320 make you feel good knowing that it wasn't probably always the case no dude i'm honored because

00:05:09.820 anybody who knew me before like five years ago would only shit on me yeah they would just be

00:05:13.880 like i hate that y'all love this guy he's such a bad human so it's like to work my way from that

00:05:20.740 being the situation like when i used to walk into rooms like it was instantly a downer i felt the

00:05:26.920 energy shift like dogs didn't like me kids didn't like me cats didn't like me like it was bad cats

00:05:34.100 don't get anyone yeah for sure dude and uh so yeah for people to say yeah so that means a lot

00:05:39.240 that people speak highly do you think that that was actually because i i can a lot of the stuff

00:05:43.020 that you're gonna say today i can relate to which is cool which is why i'd love to be sitting down

00:05:46.200 with you do you and i i know you're going to the on the wwe side but no you don't you don't know

00:05:52.280 that because i wasn't i wasn't okay fine do you do you still believe that ever do and and have

00:05:58.460 you learned whether or not that was actually true or was that something that your mind was telling

00:06:02.420 you which is that i wasn't gonna be that when people that when you walked in a room people

00:06:06.360 thought no no no no it was true it was true man because i this is a true story when i first got

00:06:10.600 out of jail i we stopped at the closest gas station which is kind of just a trend of like i

00:06:15.540 want to go get a whatever they have that i couldn't get it's like freedom freedom right

00:06:19.020 a gas station is like the epitome of freedom when you're out of jail you're like just i could get

00:06:23.660 whatever i don't even remember whatever candy they didn't have on commissary you know and i walked up

00:06:29.140 and uh this i swear it's a true story um i'm standing at the counter and i've got like six

00:06:34.260 dollars to buy whatever soda i'm getting and something else and a pack of cigarettes and

00:06:39.660 this little girl like maybe two-year-old child just comes and hugs my leg dog I don't want to

00:06:46.540 get emotional this early on the podcast but when I tell you before that point kids cried when I

00:06:50.920 looked at them like dogs ran away from me like I was like maybe it happened I was like maybe this

00:06:57.340 shit that I'm telling myself that just happened in jail is really happening when I went home I was

00:07:02.440 with this chick she had a dog dog loved me yeah love me more I mean swear love me love me more

00:07:08.400 than her it was like crazy it's crazy the cat loved me it was fucking nuts i'd wake up the cat

00:07:12.240 would be asleep on my face it was totally different did the little girl confuse you for

00:07:15.900 her father no no no no i didn't look like nobody daddy i can tell you that dude so nobody looks

00:07:22.880 like you no no at that time i was 24 years old and i looked like i was finna steal something

00:07:27.160 what do you think it was about the time inside that what how long was that stint uh i did a

00:07:34.760 couple years too i guess two and a half maybe three that time what do you what do you think

00:07:37.620 it was about that time that that shifted the your appeal to others well i had had a woman pregnant

00:07:45.140 whenever i was free so she had had the baby when i was born so that was my daughter's that was the

00:07:49.400 birth of oh oh great parallel let's go great parallel so this was my first child story i was

00:07:55.500 incarcerated and they knocked on my cell door and told me that she was born and i know it sounds

00:08:00.840 crazy but it was like a light switch happened in my head right then that i was like and i think it

00:08:06.860 was the pressure of that moment that caught me too. Cause you're like, I'm worth like $32 in

00:08:13.340 potato chips and honey buns. That's like what my life is worth. And like seven packets of paper,

00:08:18.940 three pins, six pair of boxers, five t-shirts, two jumpsuits. That's all I owned. One outfit

00:08:24.840 with like a $10 bill in the pocket that I'd had hidden in a watch pocket that the police didn't

00:08:29.920 confiscate when they arrested me. That's all I had. And I was like, and I'm a father. And I just

00:08:34.800 like felt guilt and i felt shame my whole life and guilt but never like this and i was like i

00:08:41.280 got to figure this out and i immediately i went and got my ged while i was still in jail i'd been

00:08:45.640 in jail a year and some change at that point had done nothing but play poker and get in trouble

00:08:49.540 and imagine how they felt in that jail when i woke up one day it was like i would like to go

00:08:53.440 to the educational unit they was like yeah fucking right we're gonna bring you up you've done nothing

00:08:57.860 but cause us a problem i'm like please sir i'm a change man they're like and i bet god came and

00:09:02.380 seen you in your cell last night i was like he did i have a kid and i want to change so it's crazy

00:09:08.280 talk about a disparity or difference between two like ways of coming into that father but watch

00:09:16.420 this though same feeling he he knows because i just iterated that on the last podcast

00:09:23.360 i you can't you don't understand until it happens and i was trying to understand because

00:09:28.100 everyone told me this is like your life doesn't start until now and you know i felt like i had a

00:09:35.440 life now i don't so much yeah i've been saying fuck the next chapter this is a new book that's

00:09:42.500 it so this is dad mode it's a complete shift do you feel like you owe your life to your daughter

00:09:51.460 because of the way she affected yours oh 100 man but i oh but i i what i know as a father is that

00:09:58.480 we we owe our life to our children anyways but especially the way she affected mine you know

00:10:03.540 what i mean but i can also tell you that the biggest curse we can give our children is an

00:10:07.120 unlived life of our own so always keep that in mind too while you're doing the balancing act of

00:10:12.000 being super dad but also being super superman yeah you know what i mean that uh sometimes

00:10:17.520 clark kent had to enlist had to exist so superman could do you think she was the catalyst for for

00:10:23.180 the shift in you it sounds like that was like the thing it was for sure really 100 her it was like

00:10:29.140 immediately like okay i gotta start applying these things so then i'm also curious because

00:10:35.300 you know it what you're describing let's go let's say what's her name bailey pre-bailey and post

00:10:41.800 bailey are like two different versions of yourself 100 and and just hearing you now it

00:10:47.040 sounds like the pre bailey pre bailey version of yourself was resonating at like a low frequency

00:10:53.520 and and and dare i say negative aura

00:10:58.020 but it's like you know l riz type shit but but but but but you know that that that can be felt

00:11:12.560 that your energy is contagious and and and was it as simple as flipping that switch where you know

00:11:20.280 now like a random little girl's coming up and hugging your leg like it it can be felt is what

00:11:24.260 i'm saying it it resonates it can be felt by other people like animals dogs you're mentioning yeah

00:11:28.840 and well i did a lot of work too you know i describe it as a light switch moment but man it's

00:11:33.760 been tons of work that went into that moment right like the moment that was the moment that made me

00:11:39.020 go i want to change okay and that was but the work after that boy i mean it was a it was a barefoot

00:11:44.960 race up a glass hill you know what i mean but um he the number of analogies he's gonna have is

00:11:50.500 gonna blow your mind he told me when i met him at summer slam for the first time right is that

00:11:55.680 what it was in cleveland he said um it used to be so bad i could walk it could it could be raining

00:12:04.460 it could be raining pussy and i'd get hit by a pecker that's true too that was my luck now i

00:12:11.500 could run blindfolded into a forest and not run into a tree yes sir because that's how much his

00:12:15.680 life has changed and see the stuff it takes me a second to react because all the crack smoke

00:12:19.480 but i think i think listen we'll talk about so many things today but i think more than anything

00:12:26.660 you are an example of comeback and of redemption and you know obviously that's something that i

00:12:33.980 pride in myself a lot too and and um hearing hearing a story about having your child well

00:12:42.320 incarcerated to the average ear seems like a wild way to have a kid but it's actually a story that

00:12:49.000 probably happens quite often to a lot of people out there oh yeah and i think that you've become a

00:12:53.400 a symbol and an icon to those people that they can that they can achieve greatness i mean i look

00:12:58.140 at the past week of your life you're sitting here with us today you did saturday saturday night live

00:13:03.420 on saturday yes sir insane you're on fallon last night you're touring every night everywhere

00:13:11.400 msg frat the friday before saturday sold out crazy crazy week i got a show tonight i'm living

00:13:17.280 here could you ever i don't even have to ask this could you ever have imagined no goodness no i've

00:13:23.360 been joking about this all week long with people because uh somebody saturday night laughs it was

00:13:26.960 this your dream and i was like who is so cocky that they dreamed they were gonna be on saturday

00:13:32.380 night live like i wasn't brave enough to dream of being on saturday night live i first the idea

00:13:38.580 that i could even do it didn't hit my radar until this year you know does that make sense and then

00:13:44.560 it was like even even if you had told me last january you might do saturday night live this

00:13:49.660 fall i'd be like ha ha you know what i mean this year i was like oh really this could be a thing

00:13:54.420 you know so yeah dude i never even dreamed i would i was we were leaving central park

00:13:58.720 and uh i put i posted this somewhere we were leaving central park going to saturday night

00:14:03.720 we had a police escort i just played global citizen and i'd done msg the night before

00:14:08.760 and i was like it was a moment where you're like what's really happening right now like this is

00:14:14.700 different this is not you know this is not normal this is not normal for us so yeah i've had the

00:14:20.300 best weekend ever dude thanks for bringing it up congratulations thank you that is fucking awesome

00:14:26.960 and it's it's so crazy because like when i look at you and like i i think probably probably most

00:14:31.720 people like you you fit you're you're right where you belong and i mean i mean that like i i think

00:14:36.940 like when i see creators artists uh kind of like pop up and i i'll definitely say like you popped

00:14:43.500 up on everyone's radar like pretty recently i was like yeah like i don't know it was a familiarity

00:14:49.780 that i that i felt and it to me it seems obvious that you're in this position that to you maybe

00:14:55.680 wasn't so obvious at some points like you obviously have the talent you have the look

00:15:01.540 you have the charisma and energy but why didn't you see it I think I was still struggling to see

00:15:10.140 past who I was not who I am I kept getting stuck in this like shame spiral of just not being able

00:15:17.940 to find my way out of who I was and if there was so many things that I had to go through to start

00:15:23.860 breaking those little patterns like i was thinking about it when we were following the police

00:15:28.020 i was like even my relationship with law enforcement it took a long time to like i

00:15:33.600 love police now like when i see them at my shows like they hug me i hug them i started collecting

00:15:39.000 their challenge coins i think it's cool i have a wall dedicated to it i think it's so cool that

00:15:43.180 they give me these challenge coins you know and it's like i was literally a decade you know 14

00:15:48.560 years ago you know i mean i think i owned a fuck the police shirt you know what i mean it's like i

00:15:54.800 was so against i had to change so many different i had to look at every thing of life logan

00:16:01.760 differently bubble i mean not um a lot of people who haven't experienced that don't get it i think

00:16:07.480 that's one of our kinships is i'm sure you were the same like i can't look at i mean how i wiped

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00:20:20.800 with my assistant in my five million dollar house in the hills and i'm like man fuck this day bro

00:20:28.420 and i get in my my rsqa r 250 000 car and i fucking speed down the street and i forget that

00:20:35.520 the last you know exactly what you said 14 years ago i was driving a 1996 ford escape to the gas

00:20:42.380 station and putting a dollar 26 in the gas tank yeah you remember putting fucking less than two

00:20:46.680 dollars in the gas tank how shitty that felt knowing that you were gonna have to try to figure

00:20:50.660 out how to find another dollar to put in the gas tank to get to the methanol clinic this is even

00:20:55.100 deeper than just a dollar 60 if you've ever been in a place in life where you put a certain number

00:21:00.320 in the gas tank you know what i mean like i didn't i remember the first symbol of success for me was

00:21:05.800 the first time i swiped a debit card was like i'm gonna let that motherfucker go you know what i'm

00:21:10.680 saying like and i remember watching it the whole time butt cheeks clenched a little bit you know

00:21:16.200 what i'm saying stomach still tilting i had a little money in the bank by then but i was still

00:21:19.600 like oh it takes 80 to fill this i would have never known yeah i've only done 50 at a time

00:21:26.960 you know what i'm saying so like those were the moments and yeah coming from those moments you're

00:21:31.880 right though but you something else i had to learn was identifying emotions because my first problem

00:21:37.360 was one there is a space like recentering yourself and your gratitude in that moment of like why am i

00:21:43.160 tripping out on my assistant this is my life this is unrealistic right where it took me a long enough

00:21:49.320 to just go and what was the root of the problem right because for me it just always was anger it

00:21:54.760 didn't matter what it was no matter what happened it triggered an anger and then i would ruminate

00:21:58.900 in and i would just get angrier and i would just get madder and madder and i would fester and just

00:22:03.380 spiral and just it was just the never ending so i still have those days where i have to re-anchor

00:22:09.040 but now i'm just more honest now and i wake up being an asshole some more and it's a double back

00:22:13.280 and be like hey man my bad i just did that i just rectified this morning yeah it's like the text

00:22:18.520 I have to do it all the time

00:22:20.340 because what I've learned is

00:22:21.600 I hate to go back to cliche shit

00:22:23.460 but halt, hangry

00:22:25.160 angry, lonely, tired

00:22:28.320 you know what I mean?

00:22:30.000 We got a bunch of drugs

00:22:31.120 I've never heard that

00:22:31.880 I'm tired

00:22:35.780 that's big

00:22:37.420 halt, pause

00:22:38.920 that's awesome

00:22:41.260 you find yourself getting a little snappy

00:22:44.380 or not feeling something the right way

00:22:46.140 and you halt

00:22:46.640 hold on am I hangry?

00:22:48.520 Am I hungry?

00:22:49.880 Am I angry?

00:22:50.440 You keep combining.

00:22:50.980 Am I lonely?

00:22:51.500 Yeah, am I lonely?

00:22:52.360 Am I tired?

00:22:53.400 You know what I mean?

00:22:53.960 And I started like having just little things like that

00:22:56.260 and just hit them like a lot of the time for me it's tired.

00:22:59.540 You know, my dude knows I'm a bear.

00:23:01.260 If I'm super tired,

00:23:02.560 but I also know that my food addiction kicks in when I'm the tiredest.

00:23:06.100 When I'm the most tired is when I crave the most food

00:23:10.160 is when I can't fill myself up.

00:23:12.240 When I'm tired is when I want to go have a drink.

00:23:14.220 When it's when I want to do cocaine,

00:23:16.120 I'm the most vulnerable.

00:23:17.620 It keeps you tired.

00:23:18.520 because when you try to sleep after you eat or you drink your sleep suffers

00:23:23.600 while you're digesting food you're fucking your whole system up so you just got that downward

00:23:28.300 spiral that you described earlier is that can happen pretty easily and i i think being aware

00:23:34.180 of that for someone like you who's like you know you you lived it is i mean that's so important

00:23:39.500 because then you can stop you can halt that's it i can halt i can go all right what am i tripping

00:23:43.660 about you know what i mean now admittedly sometimes i should have halted four hours

00:23:47.300 yeah you know what i'm saying i'll be five i'll be a full i'll be three days into a need of a

00:23:51.260 halt yeah you know what i'm saying before you're in court and you're like oh it's too late it's

00:23:56.340 like hold on i was just hungry and tired well especially this lifestyle you're living now as

00:24:02.760 you know yeah you could do it a lot this is so good but already this is what i hope this would

00:24:07.740 be is real shit there's so much i was like yay i was gonna ask you you walked in with with miles

00:24:14.140 yes because you've been talking about ongoing work you've been talking you said hall

00:24:18.840 getting in tune with your emotions and i wanted to ask you how much of that is continuing to come

00:24:24.300 in i bring up miles because i just went to onsite yes life changing man i had a real serendipitous

00:24:31.660 journey there bro like like i don't i told miles about it but some crazy shit happened on the way

00:24:36.820 and i'll give you the abridged version but another singer from la had told me about onsite which is

00:24:41.120 this this magical retreat in in the hills uh north of nashville um which which works on addressing

00:24:46.420 trauma people that are hurt which a lot of us are all of us are she told me about i put in the bag

00:24:51.860 for two weeks i see you at summer slam it came up in conversation you said brother that place saved

00:24:55.840 my life true story two weeks after that i bring up carl lentz pastor carl lentz who we had on the

00:25:02.200 show four years ago i brought him up in conversation with my girlfriend not one hour after i brought

00:25:06.840 him up after not seeing him for four years he appeared before me whoa he appeared before me

00:25:11.380 at the rosewood in montecito i was having lunch with my girlfriend i brought up on site to him

00:25:16.300 he said brother that place saved my life actually yep verbatim he said save my marriage he said

00:25:22.440 fixed fixed a lot of things that i was working on true store i left that i flew to miami and

00:25:26.660 went to a church called vu church in miami pastor wilkerson sent him a message how great his his

00:25:34.520 sermon was which was a sermon on healing and the importance of healing maybe you're not maybe you're

00:25:39.140 not evil maybe you're just empty and you need something to fill it up you need christ to fill

00:25:43.180 it up i sent him a message i said hey your sermon was very powerful i appreciate that he said how

00:25:47.160 long are you in miami for i said till thursday he said i'm cool i'm going to nashville on thursday

00:25:50.820 i said i'm going to nashville on thursday what flight are you on he said 1 37 p.m american i

00:25:56.200 said what seat are you in no way 2a 2b i was seated right next to what on the way to onsite

00:26:05.440 in which i said to him hey i'm going onsite he said i've heard great things about that place

00:26:09.160 yes it saved a lot of lives and before i got off the plane to go to onsite and drive the hour from

00:26:14.700 the airports of the place he prayed he said a prayer for me he's an incredible man pastor

00:26:19.760 wilkerson jr out of vu church so all of these serendipitous things led to me met me to onsite

00:26:26.140 you being a part of it and i had an incredible experience there i got to do equine therapy with

00:26:31.260 horses and learn how to be present in the moment because horses don't allow you to be not present

00:26:37.120 there's a massive animal next to you who days who knows that's a wildest animal by the way it's just

00:26:43.620 let me tell you something about horses they're they're all wild even the ones that are they're

00:26:47.680 just tame doesn't mean they're not a wild horse they're just they have agreed to let you do this

00:26:51.680 but it's an agreement it's not that's what makes horses so special so you also heard about their

00:26:56.620 heart size too four times the size of the human touching on that um kind of like this serendipitous

00:27:02.940 nature of like signs if you want to call it like the the universe speaking to you are you at all

00:27:09.500 in touch with that kind of ether yeah yeah what he was just saying i was going to say that whole

00:27:14.160 journey of his to me sounds like the alchemist yeah right it's like uh the idea that when he

00:27:19.360 went all this way out of his way to find out what he really needed was behind him he didn't hit a

00:27:22.880 closed door on the way home you know what i mean it's like you know it's that it's that thing of

00:27:27.040 like when we're doing right the universe conspires for us i truly believe i'm telling you i hit

00:27:32.420 nothing but brick walls my entire life i have not ran into a closed door in 36 months god bless you

00:27:40.140 and i hope it stays that way because as someone who has had both and you mentioned in the beginning

00:27:46.040 this podcast that everyone hated you and i don't know if you were joking if you're serious i was

00:27:49.520 dead serious so now everyone loves you and i've had the opposite journey um everyone loved me and

00:27:56.600 now they hate me um but so so i've only gotten smarter brother yeah which is which is so true

00:28:03.820 you know and i'm partially being facetious but not because um the more i simply exist the more

00:28:12.520 people know about me which gives them the opportunity to choose what they like or don't

00:28:16.360 like and and i have had the ups and the downs and the doors have been hitting me dude and also i've

00:28:20.780 been running through the fucking doors it goes both ways so it's sort of a question and like

00:28:26.940 it feels i'm not going to give you advice because you already know this man but like

00:28:31.220 truly cherish the positive moments where there isn't a worry in the world and the world is

00:28:38.640 blessing you because there may be a day as you know where like you do have that feeling again

00:28:43.280 of whatever it is impending dread doom are are you prepared for that are you just trying to stay

00:28:50.240 positive about it are you aware that you know because let's let's be real mr roll gotta call

00:28:56.660 you that i prefer jelly but i'll accept i'm on your podcast you know let's be real jelly like

00:29:03.280 man good things can be stripped from you in a second

00:29:05.660 in one second

00:29:07.200 and like I've had it happen

00:29:08.980 how do you

00:29:11.520 we have built in defense

00:29:13.740 mechanisms for that

00:29:14.860 by way of prison and drug addiction

00:29:17.320 what you guys?

00:29:18.460 yeah it's just they take away

00:29:20.320 we

00:29:21.660 not to speak for you but we've been

00:29:24.620 in the gutter

00:29:25.900 and I know you don't want to go back

00:29:29.020 because you know what it's like

00:29:29.740 and also like man make no mistake

00:29:31.820 shit's falling apart for me every day when i say i haven't hit a closed door i mean it's just the

00:29:36.520 faith i'm just still walking in the right direction knowing it's worth and shit i get

00:29:39.640 kicked in my face every day that's part of it right um and i i'm honest with people to tell

00:29:46.000 you that i wake up in the morning and i have to spend real time fighting a monster inside of me

00:29:52.500 loving a very dark one like i have to wrestle this guy really really really get into my prayer

00:29:59.000 closet and my faith and my wife and communicate and be vulnerable this is before i pick up the

00:30:05.000 phone you know what i mean like i know that about me because i know that if i don't you know what i

00:30:10.660 mean i know the risk that i am to myself and other people so it's like trust me it's just the way

00:30:16.140 that i approach it i know listen i'll give you the most recent example but once again how the

00:30:20.440 universe still worked my dream was not my dream once they gave me saturday night live i was like

00:30:25.780 yo a skit is going to mean as much to me as singing like that's the big deal that's the

00:30:30.480 chance to show that i'm more than a singer it could open up a thousand other doors this is

00:30:33.760 the biggest program ever this is saturday night fucking live we're there friday and they go

00:30:38.780 got you in a skit colin wrote it i'm like oh it's a colin skit this is gonna be fire

00:30:45.480 and we come in for dress rehearsals and we shoot the skit and you know how dress rehearsals are

00:30:49.940 i've never done saturday night live so i'm learning all this over for time skit gets cut

00:30:54.400 you know what i mean you're just like that sucks but you're still like man fuck i'm singing on

00:30:58.860 saturday night live so you're just so like whatever skits still went on youtube still

00:31:03.160 went up still got the virality i hoped it would it's the only skit that got cut that made it on

00:31:07.160 youtube that shows me i was seen lauren michaels praised me for what i did in the skit colin thought

00:31:11.320 i killed it let's go you know what i'm saying so it's like even if the skit wouldn't have got seen

00:31:15.260 it was a small w for me yep you know what i mean but it's like i'm just those i'm just learning how

00:31:20.200 to pivot and look at them different it's also about how i started looking at things i started

00:31:24.000 looking at things through the lens of love man sometimes you can run into the door and you just

00:31:27.220 got to look at the door and go what you know what what where's the love at in this and as long as i

00:31:31.480 can find the love in it i can take any shitty situation to figure it out you have haters of

00:31:35.620 course fuck dude i'm a fat dude watch the comments it's finna happen yeah i'm fat with a pretty wife

00:31:40.080 you think there ain't somebody in here right now but do i have haters come bubba you know two people

00:31:45.620 to get hated the most is handsome people and fat people you're handsome and i'm fat we should really

00:31:50.220 relate to each other let's let's go out you know what i'm saying that's what i tell mgk all the

00:31:54.440 time i'm like you're fashionable i'm not i'm fat and frumpy you're tall and skinny and cute and

00:31:59.180 that's fucking how we connect because they hate you for that they hate me for this you guys you

00:32:03.780 guys didn't always connect no no no no i was a hater because you okay because he's fashionable

00:32:11.740 but you guys are you guys are pretty inseparable nowadays man i love that guy man i love i love

00:32:18.280 him and I love where his heart's at right now I love that the world's getting to see his soul

00:32:21.640 I sat down with him a few uh earlier this year and had a conversation with him and I was like

00:32:26.080 hey man I think that you haven't maybe executed telling your story the right way I was like I

00:32:31.240 think you've allowed the art to do all the talking and the headlines and the art's incredible and we

00:32:35.660 get it but you know between the fashion and the headlines it kind of you know I was like if people

00:32:39.860 knew your soul and the change you've had and the man you've become I was like I think the whole

00:32:44.220 world would look at you you know different as if you're not wildly successful anyways like y'all's

00:32:49.240 pod like how vulnerable like how honest to see that like kind of you know hoping he would do

00:32:54.700 when he came on and he did it's it's when you tell your story for the first time i think it's it's

00:33:01.360 i i would say i think he was a bit nervous i was gonna say this i still don't think the world has

00:33:09.360 really seen colson yeah no not like not the way well he's just starting to chip the surface though

00:33:13.800 He's just now getting comfortable enough sitting here

00:33:15.940 and having long form conversations

00:33:17.560 because you've hung out with him like I have.

00:33:19.460 I love him.

00:33:20.580 He's the sweetest, funniest dude ever.

00:33:23.580 He's also goofy.

00:33:24.420 He's the goofiest dude.

00:33:25.700 He's hilarious.

00:33:27.160 He's hilarious.

00:33:28.060 And you know what I think it is?

00:33:28.920 I think the industry that he's in,

00:33:30.500 like white hip hop artists,

00:33:32.120 if you don't appear a little jaded and a little hard,

00:33:35.260 I wonder if in his head,

00:33:38.060 maybe that would,

00:33:39.400 people's perception of him may change.

00:33:41.340 And I think that,

00:33:42.060 I don't know.

00:33:42.580 I don't want to speak.

00:33:42.940 It's starting to happen.

00:33:45.260 It's starting to happen, though.

00:33:46.560 You can feel the thing coming to him.

00:33:48.820 There's also just a little bit of Cleveland in him.

00:33:51.080 For sure.

00:33:51.420 It's like a little bit of you.

00:33:52.240 Y'all have got a little fuck you in y'all.

00:33:53.880 That's just being from Cleveland.

00:33:55.320 I've been to Cleveland.

00:33:56.340 That's kind of the charming part of the city.

00:33:59.100 He's from actual Cleveland.

00:34:01.000 I'll be honest.

00:34:01.560 I'm from Westside, dude.

00:34:02.420 It's a suburb.

00:34:03.060 It's a suburb outside of Cleveland.

00:34:04.220 I just say Cleveland.

00:34:04.560 It's like Franklin being from Franklin.

00:34:05.880 Okay, yeah, yeah.

00:34:06.640 You know what I'm saying?

00:34:07.080 But still, it's like Cleveland people are like, you know, they're very prideful people

00:34:10.920 and they're very like, fuck, you were from Cleveland kind of people.

00:34:13.460 It's fun to watch that come out of him.

00:34:15.100 Like, I'll be talking to him, sweetheart, goofy, fun Coulson,

00:34:18.440 and then that hard side does come out.

00:34:20.980 No, 100%.

00:34:22.060 It happens.

00:34:22.640 His fangs.

00:34:23.600 Actual fangs, by the way.

00:34:24.760 Yeah, he's got them big babies, too, dog.

00:34:26.840 He's got them chompers.

00:34:28.400 He said on our podcast that you still drive everywhere when you can.

00:34:33.160 You're still personally driving yourself to the venue to, by the way,

00:34:37.400 headline an event, and you're parking your car.

00:34:40.140 why why why don't I get a driver man I don't know I'm just I'm from a place where I always

00:34:45.400 drove myself I don't know why I wouldn't I think it's like that's been the hardest part of like

00:34:50.040 being um successful is things change that you're like but why would this change and some things

00:34:56.740 have a really good reason and when it really came down to having a driver I just couldn't figure it

00:35:00.520 out I just couldn't really put a good reason of like and like I get in the car and it's my time

00:35:04.880 I listen to my demos, my music.

00:35:07.080 I call my wife or my brothers.

00:35:09.680 I'm a real family guy and have private conversations.

00:35:12.600 And I do the speaker phones because I'm a law-abiding citizen these days.

00:35:16.480 You know what I'm saying?

00:35:17.200 So it's like, yeah, I just like it, man.

00:35:19.660 It's cool.

00:35:20.100 It kills me.

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00:36:51.100 Lisa, we should tell them about our new show.

00:36:54.400 Oh my God, Lexi, we have a new podcast.

00:36:57.140 It's called Don't Lie to Me.

00:36:58.560 I'm Lexi Iwano.

00:36:59.420 We're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart.

00:37:04.180 And I'm Lisa DiGiulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references,

00:37:08.780 occasionally different opinions.

00:37:10.100 And at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all.

00:37:13.260 I'm not going to get anywhere fighting.

00:37:15.720 That is wild.

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00:37:19.700 Now in my 30s, being the founder of New Shoes, Good Taste is my business.

00:37:24.920 And I've always got something to say.

00:37:26.800 If men were just honest about this, there would be so much more peace in the world.

00:37:31.240 We're going to talk about dating, relationships, beauty, getting older, and a little wiser.

00:37:36.320 We're best friends, but we don't always agree.

00:37:38.620 Because you told us how accommodating you are.

00:37:41.100 Obviously, I would do what I think I could do to fight the fight, but there's only so much fight I can fight.

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00:37:58.720 I don't really care.

00:38:23.320 it's called reading so you're so we don't like to use that word anymore okay a panel of new yorker

00:38:28.360 cartoonists have you guys done terry gross's peloton class no i've been dying too i'm so sorry

00:38:35.640 i'm i'm seeing a a reading of sadako and the thousand paper cranes by audrey mcdonald at the

00:38:41.000 wonderland bookstore on 14th that's crazy i went to the wonderland bookstore yesterday and i heard

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00:39:17.420 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:39:20.140 I was always joking. So it's funny because I pull up on Kells and it's like a movie on Grammy night. I'm like, hop in. And he's looking around like, huh? But he's just as weird as I am because we're at Stagecoach this year. And listen, I'm pulling out of Stagecoach and him and his girl and Baze and his two homies are walking down the main street of Stagecoach trying to find where they parked. I was like, I pull up on him. I'm like, are you OK? He's like, no, man, we're just trying to find where we're going.

00:39:49.060 And I was like, do you want a ride?

00:39:51.500 This is MGK and Megan Fox, dude.

00:39:53.440 He's like, no, we're straight.

00:39:54.580 And she looks up.

00:39:55.080 She's like, we're cool.

00:39:55.800 I just kept on walking.

00:39:57.280 I turned around and I guess somebody came and picked him up by then.

00:40:00.180 But I was like, how long were they all out there?

00:40:01.440 He's like, I don't know, 15 minutes just fucking off.

00:40:03.560 That's why he's great.

00:40:05.240 And that's probably why you guys get along.

00:40:06.420 It's like there's still a semblance of normalcy given this extremely abnormal life that you guys are living.

00:40:12.240 Oh, for sure.

00:40:13.040 And you're lucky that that happened to me.

00:40:17.980 i i think i'm like at least now especially like relatively normal in real life because i'm a dad

00:40:23.580 and stuff because i've been humbled right like really humbled and i i've taken that as an

00:40:29.540 opportunity to like become a person again which i like um and and and that's certainly why why

00:40:35.700 you and colson i think are partial buddies yeah my well my heart my heart hurts for guys like you and

00:40:41.080 kells for a little bit of this reason of i was afforded the luxury of because my hardships were

00:40:47.940 an advantage in the aspect of i was afforded the luxury of i didn't have to do all my growing in

00:40:52.200 front of everybody for sure same with you yeah you know what i mean like it's like you know like

00:40:57.000 we've had to really watch like from i've been watching kells this whole career i've been

00:41:02.580 watching most of yours i was like i said i started on youtube my first thing i ever uploaded song

00:41:07.040 wise any platform was on youtube i was a youtube kid what year uh 2000 my daughter's 16 so this was

00:41:14.280 15 years ago 2009 yeah yeah that's that's generation one yeah i'm thinking 0809 i put

00:41:21.840 it to you this way i put up a product you're gonna get this a lot of people don't and i'm

00:41:25.580 gonna pop quiz let's go the first thing i ever uploaded on youtube was called the 10 minute

00:41:29.460 freestyle can you guess why it was 10 minutes probably had a max duration yes sir nobody gets

00:41:36.540 that back then youtube would only let a 10 minute and 17 second video go up yeah we call it the 10

00:41:41.620 minute freestyle but it's really 10 minutes and 17 seconds we had a 25 minute did it just end yeah

00:41:46.300 we just yeah yeah well we just we were chopping it up and at 10 17 it just hard out yeah for sure

00:41:51.320 yeah dude i'm so curious about your talent talent talent in general kind of um makes me really

00:41:58.040 curious because you very clearly have a god-given talent singers specifically artists you know you're

00:42:06.200 you're born with your voice sounding a certain way that that appeals to a lot of people um

00:42:11.520 how how i guess without being a fucking a dickhead with a talent like yours how did you not become

00:42:20.440 successful sooner oh i was i was in the wrong i was in the uh i was in the right room with the

00:42:26.300 wrong furniture that was the problem i was i was writing the right kind of songs i was saying the

00:42:32.980 right things i've been consistent in my message and who i am for a decade now right this has been

00:42:37.740 the better part of my last especially eight years since i got married that really was the beginning

00:42:42.500 of me like being like i want to get together because like real love will just have you like

00:42:46.800 want to change things you know what i mean yeah and uh i just couldn't i just started and i kept

00:42:53.220 feeling it getting closer and then the furniture started getting right but i was always in the

00:42:56.520 right room i think it was save me was the beginning of it i put a song on youtube called save me

00:43:00.300 that went pretty viral and it was the first song where i was like a super slow six eight ballad of

00:43:07.400 me just belting the struggles of pain you know what i mean just like ass chief clench just

00:43:13.020 screaming my soul out and i'd never put a song out like that and it that man it just instantly

00:43:18.660 went and i was like man this is because this was the kind of songs i was writing and recording but

00:43:22.900 not putting on my albums i had like songs like this that i was just not putting out you know

00:43:28.260 what i mean i was like oh my god all right well cool people accept this kind of honest vulnerability

00:43:32.640 i'm in so that's that's kind of where it was it was crazy i was just just couldn't figure out

00:43:37.660 the furniture okay how do you handle the fame i don't feel famous i don't feel listen when i was

00:43:44.040 in antioch everybody knew me i'm from a small neighborhood everybody knew everybody but i just

00:43:48.980 run around and people say hey jelly it's nothing like and equally i've been blessed to have friends

00:43:54.100 like uh like Dwayne Johnson who was famous you know I was blessed to work with guys like MGK

00:44:01.860 and Eminem they're famous so when I look at me I'm like Luke Combs is famous

00:44:07.620 Jelly Roll is not famous Garth Brooks famous Jelly Roll not famous yeah you know what I'm saying

00:44:12.860 it's all relative right all right well you look at it like if you're comparing yourself to Dwayne

00:44:17.740 johnson none of us are famous you're obviously like super identifiable you have face tats you

00:44:25.520 know like like my brother for example walks around big beard tattoos like you you know that's jake

00:44:30.700 paul it's it's hard to not see him and similar with you it's like you're you're very clearly

00:44:34.780 like this entity you're famous brother you're famous and i know you felt the life change like

00:44:39.580 people approach you in the street jelly roll can i get a picture but it's just like a bigger

00:44:43.180 anteo it's just a bigger neighborhood everybody knows you now but it's just a bigger neighborhood

00:44:47.300 because i think i've been blessed that the people that do speak to me make me feel that way

00:44:51.340 like nobody comes up to me weird they're always like what's up jelly it just makes me feel like

00:44:55.980 it's because of who you are yeah it's because you're you're real and authentic and you talk

00:45:00.680 about dude there's nothing more entertainment's entertainment people love to watch dwayne johnson

00:45:07.360 they love to watch a movie they love to you know and he's got and he's got struggles i'm not trying

00:45:11.300 to discount those but there's nothing more relatable to people that will make them want

00:45:15.760 to come up and hug you more than knowing that you that you go through or went through the shit that

00:45:19.380 they do right that's the most beautiful that's the best thing that i've taken on this whole

00:45:22.720 experience putting out the fifth vital having people come up to me crying be like oh i understand

00:45:26.300 addiction i understand heroin now i understand why my mom took her life like all that shit

00:45:31.120 that's that's what gets me it's not like oh i saw you made this joke or you worked with this person

00:45:36.540 you know what i'm saying that authentic relatability is the most beautiful thing

00:45:40.580 in the world and like even sitting here with you like

00:45:43.540 a lot of the shit you're talking about stuff i want to know more about there's people out there

00:45:48.400 that want to know more about it like like that monster that you fight every morning who is he

00:45:52.840 what do you and more and most importantly what do you what do you do what's your what does your

00:45:57.380 morning look like so that maybe they could replicate it well it starts with i had to get

00:46:02.080 away from the electronics in the morning like it was like i got in this bad habit i don't know if

00:46:07.500 y'all do it maybe y'all are already smarter than me but i would wake straight up and grab my phone

00:46:11.480 and i tell you what it's it's a gamble because there's very seldom great news on there right

00:46:16.680 it's always it's life kicking us in the face and i don't know about y'all but my phone i go

00:46:21.840 phoneless about six months a year because my phone is just a benevolence box it's just it's just

00:46:28.100 people it's just a request line right that's just it so i once i identified that you know it's just

00:46:32.900 people wanting stuff you know what i mean it's like it's just how that works right um so what

00:46:38.360 you know how it works right i'm not being fake here no someone wants them from me they don't

00:46:42.060 have my number yeah yeah no it shouldn't be like that i'm working on that but it's like i'm just

00:46:47.280 still so compassionate and i just it's a i have a bad relationship with my phone so i've just i'm

00:46:52.500 so bad with it i either won't have one or overly have one it's my addictive personality anyways

00:46:56.660 Like right now, I've lost 100 pounds this year because I'm just obsessed with getting my fucking weight and health together.

00:47:03.480 Wow.

00:47:03.940 Good for you.

00:47:04.560 You know what I mean?

00:47:05.200 But equally, I'm also, the flip side of that personality is I've had a year that I gained 100 pounds before.

00:47:11.220 You know what I mean?

00:47:11.920 So it's like, you know, I'm constantly fighting that.

00:47:14.380 So sometimes in the morning, I wake up and just kind of get in my own head.

00:47:17.560 Gratitude list early.

00:47:20.220 First thing, you're probably very familiar with this process.

00:47:22.600 Are you familiar with the gratitudes in the mornings?

00:47:24.080 i'm i i say gratitude prayers every night but i'm not i'm not familiar with uh this i love a

00:47:31.040 gratitude prayer though i get it so in the morning like i'll i'm something about me writing still

00:47:35.160 because i guess a songwriter in me i want to write stuff yep so i'll still wake up and write

00:47:39.960 like just basic like man i'm grateful i woke up next to my wife this morning you know what i mean

00:47:45.920 like like early in the morning i'm sowing them seeds of gratitude that's because if i don't i

00:47:50.840 might walk right out here got a busy schedule didn't get my stuff together i didn't get my

00:47:55.080 gratitude listen i didn't get a cold plunge in i didn't get to pray i didn't get to spend a few

00:47:59.660 minutes with myself you know what i mean i didn't get to hug on my dog my dog makes me happy yeah

00:48:03.720 you know what i'm saying it's like i just and then i find myself yelling at my guy you know

00:48:07.920 what i'm saying upset because he fumbled the ball on something small you know what i mean it's like

00:48:11.940 where if i so i try to get up and i kill that guy and i also man between us

00:48:15.640 i don't know i want to go that deep but i still have to fight the like do i want to get up

00:48:24.040 some days you know what i mean like and it sucks because i'm have purpose finally i'm useful i'm

00:48:30.840 everything i ever prayed for i've got financially security i've got everything i've wanted

00:48:34.820 and i still wake up some days and have to be like i don't know

00:48:39.600 i can relate to that for sure and it's and it's such a wild

00:48:46.380 animal for people out there to understand that don't understand it you know it's just such a

00:48:54.120 it's such a paradox because you look at someone who's successful got the wife got the family

00:49:02.520 got the money and wonder how is that not enough we we we i see it all the time with people talking

00:49:09.320 about it on on social media oh you have depression no you don't go to the gym yeah go to the gym

00:49:15.960 eat better i'm not saying those things aren't going to help you and they do they do they do

00:49:20.100 get loved ones around you get a network get in the sun but bro i got to get out of bed to do that

00:49:26.620 for that's what i tell people and then nobody's in there to pull me out of that bed nobody's in

00:49:32.120 there to drag me to that gym and and and i have to fight that dude that's the dude i have to fight

00:49:37.500 because that dude that dude that dude is scary you know what i mean that dude scares me and uh

00:49:43.420 that's the demon that's the monster but i've learned i mean i've been working towards fighting

00:49:48.420 this dude for years you know what i mean and i'm winning a lot more than i've ever won i'm kind of

00:49:52.980 kicking his fucking ass you know what i mean i'm kicking his fucking ass but you know what i mean

00:49:56.700 but i had to realize that this was a real thing in my life you know how important you know this

00:50:02.260 to understand how important this conversation is oh yeah like like it's just such a like i'm so

00:50:07.760 happy i hate that you had to have this moment because i hate that you're going through pain

00:50:12.020 but this is just such a necessary moment it's like something that i've always aspired to talk

00:50:16.940 about too like that feeling of dread of not feeling okay no matter how okay things seem

00:50:25.180 around me you know what i'm saying that being okay and that being something that could be worked on

00:50:28.980 oh yeah question for you um or now the the idea of uh you know just fucking now you got something

00:50:36.320 you're like god i don't want to fuck it up oh there's that's a whole new problem it's like

00:50:40.360 i never knew the pressure that would come with just being like whoa man i have so many people

00:50:44.700 that count on me not completely fucking and i don't know about y'all i got a history of fucking

00:50:49.200 shit up i've got a long history of like really blowing shit i can't relate right can't relate

00:50:56.740 it's like i've got a history of blowing it you know what i mean that's gonna be one of the

00:51:00.400 hardest things that's gonna be one of the hardest things to give up your man your managers you're

00:51:05.380 gonna be unless you work on that i'm six years in now and every day feels like bro if i don't

00:51:13.660 take this brand if i don't do this deal today if i don't do this show today if i don't do this

00:51:17.220 thing today tomorrow it's over i see it like like bro that crack mentality crackhead mentality that

00:51:23.020 like yo i gotta get my dose otherwise yo tomorrow this shit could all go down yeah it's you gotta

00:51:29.020 put that thing away and i've tried to i've tried to get to a point where like yo the shit that i'm

00:51:33.040 working on has strategic value and i'm doing real work but it's that's that drug mentality yeah and

00:51:38.100 that's and that's what i i kind of want to ask you about too i did uh i did a round table yesterday

00:51:43.460 with with bobby kennedy in philly dope and a number of other people to talk about the uh

00:51:50.220 rolling out of a strategy to get addicts back into the workforce which i which i fucking love

00:51:55.100 we we as a country are suffering from a from a gdp that isn't growing as fast as we need it to

00:52:00.060 it's one of the reasons why we're not a competitive country right now we've got you know hundreds and

00:52:06.160 hundreds and hundreds of thousands of very good people who need to be reformed into us right or

00:52:14.380 at least some version of us you know what i'm saying into work and these are great people

00:52:18.020 they're not fucking scumbags like they get labeled as we're not scumbags we're people who got lost

00:52:24.440 along our way and are now finding our way for sure and i don't know about you but one of the things

00:52:29.440 that i know it was your daughter but for me one of the things that gave me my first self-esteem

00:52:34.400 to continue being clean after i got clean was getting a job yeah and finding some self-esteem

00:52:39.960 in a body that had never felt that shit before tell them the job i was a dog walker oh and i got

00:52:45.800 that job it's actually kind of therapeutic it was the best thing by default i'm about to go back

00:52:49.940 to that yeah right it was fucking awesome you're gonna shoot a tv show about it

00:52:54.440 my older sister took my older sister took a chance on me and introduced me to some people

00:53:00.460 and she took a real risk bro and brought me into a circle that i did not deserve to be in

00:53:04.420 right and i asked bobby kennedy yesterday i said how do we democratize what my older sister did

00:53:10.220 for me how do we get other business owners other people to say these are these are hard you know

00:53:16.680 how strong fucking addicts are if you're an addict and you're and you're still working today and

00:53:20.980 you're still here trying your best bro you're a you're the strongest human on this planet bro

00:53:25.440 because how much shit in this underworld that people don't even know about bro you do you know

00:53:33.180 about it oh yeah in that world that is it's in the shadows bro that grind that daily grind of

00:53:39.300 just trying to survive every fucking day for years i did it for eight plus years of just every day

00:53:47.820 trying to just survive through the terrors bro you bro you you told me you it's all shot at

00:53:55.120 whatever like everything yeah all the horrors been been through it all my thing is too though

00:54:00.440 is that it even expands past just like finding a way to get them finding a way to give people

00:54:08.040 purpose what really changed my life was my daughter became purpose and then music became

00:54:14.340 purpose and then as the music started helping people because i was writing these just sultry

00:54:19.240 honest songs the people were like when people were seeing me in the streets they wasn't going

00:54:24.220 hey man i bump your shit they were going hey man we listen to that song at my granny of my uh my

00:54:28.760 nephew's funeral he overdosed my cousin got shot and we played this song at his overpass you know

00:54:34.820 what i mean like i was getting these these like i was like then you start finding more purpose and

00:54:40.180 moving in that it's like anything for somebody is purpose like getting them a job getting somebody

00:54:45.640 on the right track getting um getting somebody uh a place that they can up hobbies god man i

00:54:52.300 remember the weirdest thing too was man i got a problem i had a problem too with my addiction

00:54:56.360 whenever i was i just addiction swapped and went and put it all into this like oh i'm just gonna

00:55:01.240 the business was all that mattered and then when i'd have downtime the demons were coming again

00:55:05.680 you know what i mean it was like i was scared to go to sleep that's where the ghosts were

00:55:09.160 so you know what i mean it was that kind of thing yeah because because i there's a there's

00:55:12.840 this scene in uh you did you watch euphoria the show you gotta watch it really it's such

00:55:18.600 an incredible show i have a teenage daughter and i started to watch it and it immediately

00:55:22.360 disgusted me it is it okay i i hear you but what if you get a chance to watch it as an adult without

00:55:27.340 and and also i didn't watch it with her i meant like just having a teenage daughter and realizing

00:55:32.320 that this underworld they created was supposed to be kids between 14 and 19 i was like the problem

00:55:38.500 is it is though it's not this fictitious world no it's not like it it's what do you mean i lived in

00:55:43.600 it no it's that it's exactly that is that yes 100 bro i don't want to completely no no no no

00:55:49.620 you can't you can't it's a true story it's happening okay yeah anyways regardless there's

00:55:57.280 a scene in there's a scene in euphoria with the the main uh with zendaya's character uh rue who

00:56:02.400 says um the first time she did drugs was the first time that she felt safe in her own head

00:56:07.900 it's the only time she felt safe in her own head and i and i that i got goose i saw the scene and

00:56:14.420 immediately got goosebumps bro because it brought me back to to sniffing oxycontin and thinking to

00:56:18.620 myself like wow like all that shit went away you know what i'm saying so is that the reason why you

00:56:24.140 use drugs uh i don't i've i've always tried to track back what it was for me i think it just

00:56:31.240 was a cultural thing like my my father was a drinker like i was in my late teens i was in

00:56:39.500 my early teens before i realized that vodka wasn't a sweetener you know what i'm saying like

00:56:44.620 If you watched a man pour it in a Stanley thermos every day,

00:56:48.180 you would eventually just be like, this is sweet and love.

00:56:51.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:51.940 It's like you don't think about it in a bad way.

00:56:54.760 And I love my father.

00:56:55.540 He taught me more than anybody in my life.

00:56:56.940 He's a great man, but he drank.

00:56:58.240 You know what I mean?

00:56:58.700 Especially he got a little more soberish later in life,

00:57:01.540 but he was early.

00:57:02.180 He drank.

00:57:02.880 My mother did drugs.

00:57:04.660 The neighbor did drugs.

00:57:05.760 They smoked crack across the street.

00:57:07.220 They smoked crack next door.

00:57:08.380 They smoked crack at the top of the hill.

00:57:09.880 They shot heroin.

00:57:11.200 It was just happening everywhere.

00:57:12.760 so for me it was just like protocol you're just like you know you're 12 years old it's no big

00:57:17.260 deal you're smoking weed 13 years old you're taking alcohol you're stealing pills out of

00:57:21.620 purses you know what i mean that's why i say euphoria is real yeah i didn't know i didn't

00:57:26.340 i grew up in white lake west side of cleveland i couldn't watch it because i don't know one i was

00:57:32.120 afraid it would trigger me and two i was just like i don't even want to i can't even think

00:57:36.560 about my daughter going to a high school that this could be happening which she doesn't but

00:57:40.280 maybe she does i don't know but how do you but but it's like i know they're drinking beer and

00:57:44.980 having bonfires i mean we got started we got started with oxys early i mean and it's still

00:57:50.260 it still happens there's kids out there 13 14 years old doing all kinds of shit was that a

00:57:55.100 product of your household though for no no it wasn't so when did you start doing drugs when i

00:58:00.720 was 16 i started using oxys okay i was introduced to him through pain because i had a lot of trauma

00:58:07.640 broken bones splenectomies a ton of icu unit visits i have a song called she hate to cut you

00:58:14.080 off but it go in the song i wrote uh it's talking about a young lady struggling with addiction

00:58:17.520 and it goes nobody ever saw it coming because it started with a little pill

00:58:21.300 how crazy because yo remember there was a time when our parents did pills and pills were like

00:58:28.140 they weren't oxycon dude like that was the other thing that happened like value it was like v cut

00:58:32.540 not not to discount that cuts and shit exactly but i was i was mine was also a product of location

00:58:38.340 the east coast got eaten bro yeah eaten by oxycon dude yeah vermont maine pennsylvania oh yeah like

00:58:46.480 these states got west virginia all the way down into kentucky ohio decimated decimated by oxy by

00:58:53.860 one company and one pill with one brand name on did you have you watched all the tv dope sick

00:58:58.840 painkiller all of it dope sick was fucking incredible so good the guy who led the round

00:59:03.780 uh the round table yesterday was the guy that michael keaton's character was based on really

00:59:08.000 dope sick oh god i should have went i couldn't it it was not you'll you got to come on the next one

00:59:12.720 i mean bobby kennedy's got a good a good plan but but anyways also on the round table yesterday was

00:59:18.180 the coroner from from one of the hardest hit areas in pennsylvania because as you know as

00:59:23.540 someone who speaks out on congress wow what the fuck thank you bubba to try to fend off fentanyl

00:59:30.400 the death rate the overdose death rate is insane talk about a topic that is not being discussed

00:59:40.200 every day we hear about ukraine we hear about gaza major topics obviously super important

00:59:44.920 a bunch of other topics that happen in the states if the trend continues within the next i think

00:59:51.540 bobby said it's like within the next year the number of dead americans from overdose

00:59:57.240 since this epidemic began will surpass every american that has ever died in any war america

01:00:05.280 has ever been fucking involved in ever world war ii vietnam world war ever bro how often is this

01:00:13.620 topic being talked about dude you heard my analogy when i went in front of congress did you hear it

01:00:17.720 i didn't it's a 737 plane a day every day oh i did hear that i didn't see that i didn't see it

01:00:24.300 every single day 300 people right quotes of it anywhere between 227 and 300 people a day

01:00:29.080 so it's like and i looked and i had that moment so my sister was helping me do the research for

01:00:33.580 that speech and we were looking for like a comparison that would be the most jolting

01:00:38.160 you know what i mean of like we were like we were like comparing club sizes you know how you're

01:00:43.160 thinking about stuff you're like how am i going to present this in the most impactful way and when

01:00:47.600 we realized it when i realized it was a plane i was like you're telling me that's like if a plane

01:00:52.460 crashed in america every single day how many days would it happen before they grounded every flight

01:01:00.000 in america what's your prediction just ask out of curiosity i think it's two max i think it's two

01:01:06.040 max i think maybe three because they have to go are we sure right that a plane's crashing every

01:01:12.280 day it's like it happened the last three days in a row and i think they'd be like ground them and

01:01:15.760 figure out what the fuck's going on at least that brand of plane if it was a delta delta's shutting

01:01:19.660 down at that day yeah and it's like in our world the way that we have dehuman dehumanized drug

01:01:25.920 addicts and addiction is that america will literally step over their dead carcass and go

01:01:31.240 they made that decision and i'm like go watch dope sick talk to talk to mike a kid that was a straight

01:01:38.040 shooting kid that was broke four bones in his body tender age and they gave him a pill you know

01:01:43.880 what i mean it's it's crazy it's sickening i i'm i'm ignorant to this and i'd like to ask a question

01:01:49.320 that perhaps you guys could shed some light on is like why why is that being ignored like you you

01:01:55.540 testified in front of congress and so obviously like at least the start of the conversation is

01:02:00.560 being had but like why are we focused on such other i don't know petty shit rather than focusing

01:02:08.700 on the traumatic stuff that's happening right here on our own soil?

01:02:13.760 Well, if we all came together to fix a problem,

01:02:16.400 we wouldn't be fighting against each other, would we?

01:02:19.200 No, no, you're so right.

01:02:20.720 It's not in any of our government's best interest

01:02:23.960 for us to all agree that we need to fix something.

01:02:26.560 You know what I mean?

01:02:27.160 Because the day that happens, they've got a big problem.

01:02:29.880 It don't matter what the cause is.

01:02:31.620 The day that America actually agrees this problem needs to be fixed

01:02:34.980 and everybody agrees, our government is going to be in fear.

01:02:39.260 That problem could be saving geese.

01:02:41.240 You get the entire country agreed to fix that one problem,

01:02:44.000 it's going to scare our people.

01:02:44.760 They don't want it.

01:02:45.220 They don't want it.

01:02:46.080 That's why we have a two-party system.

01:02:47.580 I say it all the time.

01:02:48.780 It is the biggest problem that we have as a country

01:02:51.800 is a two-party system.

01:02:52.520 Do you know why they don't allow you to have

01:02:54.660 competitive two-person or two-team sports in jail

01:02:58.380 except basketball?

01:02:59.940 Because they kill each other.

01:03:03.200 Period.

01:03:04.440 When you can't have a...

01:03:05.980 Because they know that if we put you in any sport,

01:03:08.700 that involves y'all going against each other.

01:03:10.880 Y'all are going to fight to the point

01:03:12.120 that somebody's going to stab the other one in prison.

01:03:15.360 But we do it as a country.

01:03:17.200 This is it as a country.

01:03:19.340 It's got to be one of the most mind-boggling things to me,

01:03:22.400 especially as you watch the inability of them

01:03:26.080 to ever even find any kind of unison.

01:03:28.440 And by the way, not only that, it's not a disagreement.

01:03:32.980 It's a desire to always make the other party look bad.

01:03:36.880 I liken it to a basketball game

01:03:38.460 where both teams are playing against each other neither of which are trying to score both are

01:03:42.520 just trying to block each other's shots yeah and the and the american public is in the audience

01:03:46.920 just yelling i'm just over here like yo let's just you know yeah and i think that's a part

01:03:53.960 of the problem and also i think that we need to bring more light i appreciate you being honest

01:03:58.020 to go hey man i'm ignorant to this issue it seems like this is a problem why don't we just fix it

01:04:02.720 that means a lot just more people like you being like okay i'm in tune now well mike what's happening

01:04:08.140 Mike mentioned it earlier like okay I'll be honest so first off I really appreciate your

01:04:13.660 vulnerability and and so does the viewer you the words that you've said today just as far

01:04:19.220 are gonna like really affect people's life and like as someone who uh fuck it's emotional day

01:04:27.900 for me a little bit um as someone who uh just tries to be impactful you know like your story

01:04:34.780 and your voice allows us to do that i think in a way we're like you know our content this this

01:04:39.220 content specifically it means something it really means something um and mike mentioned earlier like

01:04:45.520 that demon you talk about that that that you fight um that i know he fights as well because

01:04:50.580 he's my best friend is not truly a struggle that i understand and i um have like failed to recognize

01:04:59.800 like how how hard that can be for some people just because of like how you're wired you know

01:05:05.520 that that's it just you know you got you got some neurons in your brain that are either over firing

01:05:11.240 or not firing the right way some synapses are connected and mismatch crisscross like and i was

01:05:17.240 not wired like that and it's i'm so grateful for it but i've had trouble in the past empathizing

01:05:23.560 with people who are going through things that i can't relate to i think that sentence that i just

01:05:29.120 said is the feeling of a lot of americans and of a lot of people who are in control

01:05:34.740 that allows or where they're sort of enabling themselves to kind of turn the other direction

01:05:42.380 you know they don't understand it they don't understand it and so a a educating people at

01:05:48.700 having these conversations is is super important um but i think like i think our our country in

01:05:55.420 general struggle struggles with like an empathy problem that's like an that's a that's a it's like

01:06:00.820 an evolved emotion for a lot of people it's true and and and and something i don't i'm not i'm not

01:06:05.860 trying to like hyper analyze you but your story is obviously so like can really positively influence

01:06:12.080 a lot of people so i'm trying to like hear you and and take things that that people can um and

01:06:19.560 enact in their lives to make a positive change and you have a you have a self-awareness and

01:06:24.980 self-awareness is a very attractive quality because like bare minimum you're aware of it

01:06:29.920 and you know and to try to make sure that that car isn't going to crash to be able to identify

01:06:38.080 certain things about yourself and then put parameters in place that you know you need to

01:06:43.640 put in place so you don't do xyz or regress to that that person you don't want to be like waking

01:06:50.400 up in the morning and and putting your phone away that's an evolved person right that that that's

01:06:56.080 something that is so important for people to do in their lives but i think a lot of people aren't

01:07:01.220 willing to put in that work because it's it's hard it is so hard for sure it's a it's weird it's

01:07:07.760 always been weird to me too with the empathy thing is like it's a daily work too by the way

01:07:11.520 yeah it's not just like a not the hard work is going through it but still i mean it's a daily

01:07:15.480 work what he was saying about empathy and and i i agree with you 100 i've always said is that

01:07:21.040 empathy is a learned emotion so it's it's not easy for people to just magically have it i got empathy

01:07:26.020 because i know what it's like to wait in line for methadone and when it's 26 degrees and i have a

01:07:30.200 jacket and the person next to me doesn't you know what i'm saying i got empathy from being have being

01:07:35.080 able to have a state's attorney when i went to court and and having somebody do something nice

01:07:39.220 to me because for me because they had a good attorney you know what i'm saying like those

01:07:42.260 little trade-offs and passionate

01:07:44.100 moments you have from living in that gutter

01:07:46.400 for so long, it breeds it inside

01:07:48.400 of you. The only reason I

01:07:50.160 don't get it is because that some

01:07:52.200 people don't understand the plight of addiction

01:07:54.220 in the country and would turn the other cheek is

01:07:56.260 their mom's

01:07:58.180 addicted. Their son's addicted. The kid

01:08:00.080 next door is addicted. Every... Bro,

01:08:02.800 substance abuse has touched

01:08:04.020 fucking everybody, bro, in this

01:08:06.160 country, so it's just surprising to me that people are

01:08:08.180 still... Well, I think that's

01:08:10.220 the thing, but it's also...

01:08:12.260 a testament to his honesty is that that's another thing too is though that

01:08:17.140 america has lost sight of taking the time to hear and care about what's happening with people

01:08:22.440 you know what i mean and we just kind of automatically and and i also get it too

01:08:26.440 because dude we're all fighting life man yeah i get it i know what it's like to walk and be like

01:08:30.500 look i'd like to stop and try to have an opinion about that but life's fucking me as much as it's

01:08:34.900 fucking him you know what i'm saying it's so true it's like it's so true and there's that and i

01:08:41.440 think that we've also because uh there was a time in life you only got news clippings and spurts

01:08:47.040 so you only seen the bad side of america at like seven o'clock at night on the news or in that

01:08:54.160 morning when you read your paper now it's like a non-stop funnel of all the fuckery that's

01:08:59.460 happening all over the world all the time on every single feed we have well you know what it is it's

01:09:05.320 it's i mean it's just shitty but it's like it's it's innate in humans to be drawn towards negative

01:09:12.860 stuff right i think it's a defense mechanism our species sees things that are happening that are

01:09:17.880 bad and instinctively we go i need to stay away from that i know about it now i need to stay away

01:09:25.040 from it oh this oh this mugging happened in the street and i see this video in 4k of a security

01:09:29.640 camera and it's horrible and it affects me and i'm scared maybe i won't go out past 11 p.m

01:09:33.860 it's sort of instinctual like in many ways you know i always sit on this podcast i'm like well

01:09:40.260 everyone just draw is drawn to the negative headlines negative headlines or you read

01:09:44.800 headlines like but at the in the same token it's like how we're wired we're just like we're animals

01:09:49.680 we're actually animals i love it when joe rogan says we're all a bunch of dumb apes he's right

01:09:53.820 he's he's right down the middle dude it's fucking it couldn't be more it hey it's all about love

01:09:59.080 though my message mostly is that

01:10:01.040 I think that whether you

01:10:03.200 have any connection with any of that stuff

01:10:05.120 what you do have is you love people

01:10:06.760 and then that'll end up bringing you around

01:10:09.280 to compassion and being more empathetic

01:10:11.000 of those situations

01:10:11.760 just you asking and having it now starting to be that way

01:10:14.460 I hate everybody

01:10:14.920 I don't hate everybody but dude

01:10:18.200 people are hateable

01:10:19.980 I get it

01:10:20.700 I'm hateable I get it

01:10:23.460 I don't hate a single

01:10:25.120 there's not a single person

01:10:26.320 That you hate?

01:10:28.180 No, no, I truly have.

01:10:29.820 I tell people all the time, anybody who don't like me anymore,

01:10:32.340 it's one-sided.

01:10:33.420 You know what I'm saying?

01:10:34.020 Bro, is that weird?

01:10:34.820 Like, I just don't.

01:10:35.680 When I finally made it out of that shit and got free from it

01:10:38.320 and broke those chains, I was just like,

01:10:40.040 hey, I'm sorry to everybody I did wrong, too.

01:10:43.320 I hope you accept it.

01:10:44.340 And if you don't, then I get it.

01:10:45.920 But I am, yeah, it's like.

01:10:47.540 When's the last time you left a negative comment online?

01:10:50.460 Oh, dude, I've never.

01:10:51.820 I missed that.

01:10:52.440 Not even on MGK's post back in the day.

01:10:54.960 No, no, no.

01:10:55.580 i just wrote a song about it instead i don't think i never could comment i probably sent

01:10:58.780 mean dms instead hey this it's important that that people like you are leading the charge

01:11:08.520 um i'll throw myself into it into it as well for for this topic prior to prior to us and and i

01:11:16.100 asked you about it before the show i'm an imperfect addict i think any good addict would say they are

01:11:22.440 too but i mean it even even less perfect i i do some stuff that people in the aa community might

01:11:28.700 not love yeah we talked about weed before i love to gamble yeah you know what i'm saying i do some

01:11:35.400 stuff that is that is that in the old school would be frowned upon but i feel like us being

01:11:45.100 authentically us and and and being truthful about it and transparent about it is allowing us to talk

01:11:50.940 to a much larger set of people through being the opposite of a guru. I don't claim to be a guru on

01:11:58.320 anything in this world besides cheeseburgers. But you are not a scientist or a mental health

01:12:07.880 professional. You are a singer. You're a multifaceted, multi-talented performer who just

01:12:13.460 so happens to want to help in a place that he used to exist in and continues to struggle in.

01:12:18.000 and i think that we are the evolution of um of the program that is going to help people

01:12:27.280 for sure i first of all thank you for being so nice to me i am a dumb songwriter that sings

01:12:32.940 right that is it which nothing more dude i have i'm sorry i'm a dumb songwriter and i sing

01:12:40.560 and i have so much respect for the sober community and the clean community that i don't i don't even

01:12:46.700 claim that community at all as far as for me right now i participate i attend um uh i'm a friend

01:12:54.500 of bills billy dub you know what i mean i'm a friend of bills but uh but but i completely when

01:13:00.760 asked i never claimed to be in the space because i have so much respect for their model yep i just

01:13:05.480 also know that my mindset the way what worked for me is been more of a harm reduction and less of an

01:13:11.900 abstinent model but um because i'll still smoke a little pot uh a lot of pot but frankly if we're

01:13:18.580 gonna be honest it's a lot of reefer but uh you know but i have came really far from it and through

01:13:26.740 it and uh my thing is my thing with everything and this is what what i'd like for the rest of

01:13:32.920 the world to just maybe even open their hearts to is that i believe there's space for multiple

01:13:37.340 things to be true at once i'm not married to just one school of thought about every single thing

01:13:44.020 you're gonna offend somebody if you're talking about nuance are you talking about nuance you're

01:13:48.360 gonna offend you're gonna get into a gray area that people don't think should exist

01:13:51.700 god forbid but it's like i know that god forbid we all meet in the middle

01:13:57.500 there's no metal get off the fence pick a side buddy fence rider it's like

01:14:03.380 Yeah, it's like, yo, I'm creating a side is the way I like to look at it.

01:14:07.960 I'm creating a side, and I just – it's even like right now somebody asked me.

01:14:12.060 I was in the gym this morning at the Lifetime Fitness somewhere down here in downtown,

01:14:17.100 and I was just making sure anchored.

01:14:18.800 I knew I had a big pod with y'all.

01:14:20.020 First of all, I love the pod.

01:14:20.900 Huge fan.

01:14:21.520 Genuinely watch clips all the time.

01:14:23.300 Thank you.

01:14:23.740 Watching your evolution and your growth going from, like, you know,

01:14:26.540 just like a shithead YouTube kid into a man into a father has been –

01:14:30.720 the way you've just gracefully dealt with things.

01:14:33.240 And when you're being a shithead,

01:14:34.680 I know that it's all in the spirit of,

01:14:37.740 you know,

01:14:38.500 it's,

01:14:38.720 it's a work for you.

01:14:39.840 It's not a shoot.

01:14:40.540 Come on.

01:14:43.260 Let's go.

01:14:44.540 Let's go.

01:14:47.300 But it's,

01:14:48.160 yeah,

01:14:48.760 for me,

01:14:49.040 sorry,

01:14:49.220 what was I saying before that?

01:14:50.040 I want to make sure.

01:14:50.420 How much you love our podcast.

01:14:51.520 Yeah,

01:14:51.660 I do love your podcast.

01:14:52.540 That's where I got lost at.

01:14:53.400 I was like,

01:14:53.520 I want to make sure I'm getting a flower.

01:14:54.860 My,

01:14:55.040 but my sobriety journey is that my thing is that I think that same way about

01:14:59.580 everything is like,

01:15:00.360 Like I just, he was in the, he was in the gym and he's kind of preaching at me and he's

01:15:03.760 a, he's a, I've heard you lost a lot of weight this year.

01:15:05.980 I'm like, yeah.

01:15:06.320 He's like, I'm telling you, I cut out seed oils, sugars, get rid of carbs.

01:15:10.380 I've let, you know, he starts like, and he's like, this is what you like telling me what

01:15:14.440 I need to do.

01:15:15.660 And finally, at some point I look up at him and go, man, that sounds like that's really

01:15:18.700 been working good for you, man.

01:15:19.880 I'm happy for you.

01:15:21.180 For you.

01:15:21.960 For you.

01:15:22.420 Cause that's, what's working for you.

01:15:24.900 I'm eating a potato for breakfast every day and I'm losing the fuck out of it.

01:15:29.460 You know what I mean?

01:15:30.120 i don't really need i didn't say that but i'm thinking i don't need you ingesting like i don't

01:15:33.780 even need that in my you know what i mean like what's working for me right now is this and this

01:15:37.340 is cool and when it quits working for me i'll reassess i i love and just so you know the thing

01:15:43.180 that i'll take out of this and it will it will continue to build on how much i've already been

01:15:47.880 working on it i love your um confidence in saying that yeah for sure because because i've been on

01:15:55.440 this scene now for six years or seven or whatever and have had people say not so nice things about

01:16:02.560 the way i run my program and they're people that i respect and people that are well known and and

01:16:07.420 you're talking about me not at all no you've never all you say is that i don't look good

01:16:12.000 i know i'm just kidding i'm just kidding but but but um certain certainly i've i've felt

01:16:20.780 sometimes not as good as i could about the progress i've made because other people have

01:16:24.900 said that it's not as much as it could be um or should be and i should cut out quote unquote cut

01:16:30.260 out the seed is it not crazy how much people have an opinion on what you should do but they don't do

01:16:35.200 anything hey i can relate to this yeah what's happening right now with me being a parent

01:16:40.700 everyone has something to say they're telling you how you should father and most of them are bad

01:16:46.240 parents they're telling why is everyone wrong why is why are five percent of people on the right path

01:16:52.680 and by the way maybe i'm wrong but the point is at least in parenting working out whatever that's

01:16:57.880 like none of this shit is a perfect science everyone's different like your intuition your

01:17:02.560 gut your feeling at least with parenting for me is like what's been guiding us and

01:17:06.360 it's six days in it's working you're right it's like six days in we're killing it

01:17:11.320 do you have a night nurse did you get a night nurse or are you just accepting the trauma that's

01:17:16.840 coming with that i i tried i fired her within an hour no really the first time the baby cried

01:17:22.540 you just shot right in there huh no no it's uh it's i i mean yeah yeah i realized like i i don't

01:17:28.160 want this anyone handling my child and like because like well let's be honest i'm in a privileged

01:17:33.260 position where i can afford a night nurse and and that is a luxury but at the same token i i care

01:17:41.500 too much to be like hands off even at night especially with my first child like i'm i like

01:17:50.040 being in the trenches at the moment even though i'm tired and and and i'm learning so much about

01:17:56.100 parenthood like bro i'm on diaper duty that's my job how's the wife doing she's a fucking hero

01:18:01.420 she's literally my hero oh she's a champion dude oh my god i was just saying on the last episode

01:18:06.660 like what women go through have y'all got a workflow at night yet it's where y'all just

01:18:10.600 swapping on and off so we're kind of double teaming it right now which isn't great for our sleep yeah

01:18:15.720 we will we will do the vice versa i know it's just still so special y'all are both rushing

01:18:21.880 that's awesome yeah you'll get past that because this is going to last a little longer you think

01:18:25.240 yeah i know it's a little bit of a journey wait he called me on day three and he's like

01:18:30.180 i think we've got it figured out

01:18:32.400 dude that that night that night yo esme was up from legit like 1 to 5 a.m and on hour like three

01:18:41.460 i was like oh this is gonna affect who i am i i need to sleep i was hungry i was angry i wasn't

01:18:52.520 lonely i don't know if i will ever check ready hat hat so tired but but yeah man it's it's

01:19:00.420 everyone likes to think they're an armchair expert yeah well on that on that topic quickly

01:19:06.740 the only reason i bring that up is because the old school believes that there is a perfect science

01:19:12.180 to recovery which is one and by the way my thing is this are you proud of the progress that you've

01:19:17.140 made bro come on then find coffee that's what me you're right on camera was like dog i was

01:19:22.640 fucking the shittiest human on earth right if i am just smoking weed right now and that offends

01:19:28.900 you then fuck you anyways well you know what i'm saying like respectfully onsite taught me that

01:19:33.160 Fuck you, man.

01:19:34.100 I changed my whole life, dude.

01:19:36.360 If you knew, I would have choked you unconscious,

01:19:38.880 fucking stole your wallet,

01:19:40.720 fucking at one point in my life,

01:19:42.200 and stomped you on the way out the door.

01:19:44.500 And now I'm just smoking pot.

01:19:46.160 You're like, hey, everybody.

01:19:47.460 Like, fuck you.

01:19:48.740 I'm killing it.

01:19:50.080 You know what I'm saying?

01:19:51.180 It's God.

01:19:52.140 He has the same story.

01:19:53.860 You say you're the shittiest person on the planet.

01:19:56.660 I bet Mike circa 2010 would have given you a run.

01:20:00.160 No, it's earlier than that.

01:20:01.760 2010, I was.

01:20:02.540 i was coming back around well i mean we we both but i want to tell you something that that might

01:20:07.800 help you with this and i wasn't ever going to share this on a podcast again because i didn't

01:20:11.100 want to have to circle back into this but i love you enough to share this and hope it'll help you

01:20:15.320 i was with flagrant the first time i did schultz and them podcast now schultz and me are really

01:20:19.980 really really good good good friends and we were talking about my relationship with the church

01:20:25.220 because i have a cross on my face i'm a man of faith i'm very public about it smoke weed i also

01:20:29.600 do a lot of things that don't look godly right and i just told him how i felt about the church

01:20:33.960 on that podcast i won't reshare those feelings here they're online you can go look them up and

01:20:37.820 i just said but i love god and this is how i feel about the church and man did every pastor

01:20:42.300 it felt like in america the next sunday raked me across the coals

01:20:46.000 but i had three of the biggest pastors in the world reach out to me and go that was the bravest

01:20:53.920 act of Christianity we've ever seen was you going to do that and you know what I realized in that

01:21:00.040 moment man man what God's got for me he's sending baby I don't know what if them other dudes didn't

01:21:06.160 come they wasn't for me and that's fine God put me where I'm celebrated not tolerated that is my

01:21:10.660 request put me where I belong you know what I'm saying man if I don't give you no more freedom

01:21:15.540 because it hurt my feelings Mike that first Sunday I was like man I thought I would I thought Jesus

01:21:20.820 would be proud of the way i carried that conversation and these dudes are just like

01:21:24.320 this jelly roll is the devil they were like southern baptist like if you listen to jelly

01:21:29.300 roll you're going to hell you know and i'm just like golly you know i was like jesus christ he's

01:21:34.340 gonna listen i believe i can fly all the way out of here you know what i'm saying i'm the bad guy

01:21:38.720 you know but uh so just know that man don't worry man that shit is like it ended up working out in

01:21:44.440 my favor because i ended up actually getting closer to god after that yeah i picked up my

01:21:49.220 bible for the first time in a decade after that conversation i started allowing a pastor to pour

01:21:54.160 into me for the first time after a decade like it was a it was a breakthrough for me so on the other

01:21:59.800 side of all that pain and all that pissiness i felt and the fact that there's still on average

01:22:03.940 like 20 or 50 churches a sunday that talk about me in a bad way that's just part of it sounds like

01:22:09.880 water boy movie water boy yeah foosball's the devil they got your picture on that they have

01:22:15.300 picture on the wall in the church like this is satan right here but the other guys were like

01:22:20.240 most most megachurch i mean most big pastors and a lot of uh uh uh authors hit me up and was like

01:22:26.480 man that that was accurate you didn't you didn't tell a lie the churches don't know how to deal

01:22:29.940 with the truth i'm a i'm a little confused how like like sometimes with um certain sects of

01:22:36.400 religion um sex s e c t s uh um can't agree on on their own like teachings like um something that

01:22:47.700 confused me we had cliff and stewart connectly on the podcast and uh i asked them about evolution

01:22:52.180 right and they're like yeah yes scientific evolution yeah and when they said that i was

01:22:58.900 i was actually surprised because most christians i know seem to not believe in evolution and these

01:23:05.160 guys who are like really knowledgeable and like devout you know good dudes who practice their

01:23:09.840 craft and are the best at it said the opposite of what i thought like traditional belief was

01:23:15.940 you know these are these are two guys that are revered right by christians and catholics i don't

01:23:21.420 want to i don't want to mess up with which is which and the denominations that look up to them

01:23:25.820 but they posted the clip on their instagram as well as saying it on the podcast and you know

01:23:31.080 When I saw it, I was surprised because they were speaking directly to an audience that a lot of them don't agree with their opinion.

01:23:42.200 And sure enough, in the comments, people reaming them for saying that evolution is a thing.

01:23:48.340 And similar to this black and white conversation where nuance is important and that gray area, you've got to be comfortable navigating there.

01:24:00.040 and acknowledging that it exists um but with religion in particular there's just like a lot

01:24:06.060 of that like it's like almost like i mean maybe a shitty comparison as well like parenting like

01:24:10.120 there's like an imperfect science and i think there's like an intuition that that i don't know

01:24:14.640 like follow the teachings that make you feel the best the most fulfilled and that make you feel

01:24:19.660 like you are having that conversation with god and sure whatever works for you yeah man like

01:24:24.720 whatever gets you in touch with a higher plane whatever gets you outside because there's a lot

01:24:28.760 of it to me is just getting outside of yourself just admitting that there is something greater

01:24:33.820 than you if not we're stuck in a real narcissistic loop by default nihilist you know what i mean it

01:24:39.080 gets real gets real murky waters there and it's like but my deal is first of all nobody hated

01:24:45.420 religion more than jesus really here no absolutely not no not a figure ever why history has hated

01:24:52.920 religion more than jesus did why he thought it was just a complete kind of a sham he thought they

01:24:57.580 had turned the temple

01:24:59.820 into a merchant.

01:25:01.100 They thought it was

01:25:01.620 more of a money gag.

01:25:04.680 I'm not telling you

01:25:05.480 nothing the Bible

01:25:05.900 don't say about Jesus

01:25:06.760 for the record.

01:25:07.340 Go do your own research.

01:25:08.320 Come up with your own ideals.

01:25:09.640 That's what I did.

01:25:10.560 I read the same book

01:25:11.900 everybody else read.

01:25:12.880 Maybe they read it different.

01:25:14.220 I don't know.

01:25:15.120 But you know what I'm saying?

01:25:15.780 But that's possible.

01:25:16.840 That's possible.

01:25:17.520 That's real too.

01:25:18.060 And you know what?

01:25:18.780 That's fine too.

01:25:19.940 You know what I mean?

01:25:20.780 Because I tell people

01:25:21.680 all the time,

01:25:22.500 Cool Runners

01:25:22.940 is one of my favorite movies.

01:25:24.500 And they're like,

01:25:24.980 wow.

01:25:25.220 I was like,

01:25:25.420 because I think

01:25:25.800 it's one of the greatest

01:25:26.480 stories ever told.

01:25:27.580 Because sometimes you can do everything right

01:25:29.600 and the bobsled still breaks.

01:25:31.300 Nobody else seen that though, right?

01:25:32.920 Everybody else thought it was a movie

01:25:34.100 about a bunch of guys

01:25:35.020 that shouldn't have been on a mountain

01:25:36.160 in the first place.

01:25:36.960 And to me, the real magic happened

01:25:38.280 after they were off the mountain.

01:25:39.700 Yeah.

01:25:40.300 It wasn't getting to the mountain

01:25:41.340 that was the magic.

01:25:42.040 They thought it was a story of triumph

01:25:43.440 and overcoming.

01:25:44.260 I said, the story was the bobsled broke.

01:25:46.120 They fucking were killing it.

01:25:47.380 You know what I'm saying?

01:25:48.240 I got to rewatch it.

01:25:50.860 That's such a classic, dude.

01:25:52.680 Dude, it's one of the greatest movies ever.

01:25:54.340 It's in my top five for real.

01:25:55.580 I haven't watched it.

01:25:56.320 Have you ever seen it?

01:25:57.580 no it's well no they're gonna give me give me the give me the other four in the top five if you

01:26:04.700 have them or at least at least three more uh a beautiful mind a beautiful stop for one second

01:26:10.000 on each one that movie's fucking amazing insane insane i think russell crowe's greatest performance

01:26:16.100 ever yeah but it's what what it's that and when he did the uh cinderella man i thought

01:26:20.400 a beautiful mind is painful it's a painful watch it is it is so emotional when you when you start

01:26:29.000 to realize what had been happening the entire time when you thought something else was happening

01:26:32.400 insane what else big fish okay yeah it's a great big fish is one of the greatest movies ever

01:26:39.420 i don't care who you are it is so awesome big fish is great yeah uh goodwill hunting yeah it's

01:26:46.100 another one of my top perfect movie yep also just watching it now makes me upset because of robin

01:26:50.320 williams yeah greatest monologue in movie history when he's sitting by the lake when they're sitting

01:26:54.480 by the lake and he starts incredible name another one better name another movie monologue better

01:26:59.760 it's un-fucking-real did it did it a much most of that monologue was one take yeah steel magnolias

01:27:07.460 is my fifth one by the way great movie as well do you want mine yeah they're all boy movies oh dude

01:27:13.680 that sucks because none of mine are i guess i i guess i could put i could put a little haunting

01:27:18.460 in there if we want one emotional like meaningful movie no country for old men the fire incredible

01:27:25.980 sicario dude never even seen it i ain't gonna lie in brother i'll make a note i was grabbing

01:27:32.680 from my phone please watch please watch that movie fight club we have no great war our great

01:27:41.240 war is a spiritual war um and then i'll probably say i'll fucking piss logan off and say probably

01:27:48.000 inception inception or department well no but you love interstellar more and me not having it on

01:27:54.000 there it probably upsets you no no it's your list his number one is interstellar yeah it is

01:28:02.000 and prestige what's your other four i like the prestige i love the greatest showman oh the

01:28:07.500 greatest showman that's a good one that'd be my probably top 10 that's a good one yeah

01:28:11.160 i can relate to the story and i love musicals um uh the gentleman with matthew mcconaughey it's a

01:28:17.500 great movie it was awesome it's a great movie i loved the show as well i think it was on netflix

01:28:22.100 and then this is like maybe it's the top tenner for me but it just popped up on netflix and i

01:28:28.880 loved it edge of tomorrow with tom cruise yeah i like i like action you know should i should i

01:28:35.940 send you this list i have he's got a whole list it's called my movies grand list i mean dude

01:28:40.820 like i'm a guy that i'm a weird dude that has a top five and everything i have a top five movies

01:28:46.340 shows yeah but how do you how do you like even fit up like you know zero dark 30 children of men

01:28:52.100 1917 running scared saving private ryan is what rock and roll a great british film the godfather

01:28:58.960 eastern promises man on fire smoking aces casino jason born pulp fiction i watched casino on the

01:29:04.420 bus the other night just on some like we were up at four in the morning so fire just as fire

01:29:09.040 sometimes you go back and watch them 90s movies and you're like is it gonna hold you know because

01:29:14.100 like technology and sometimes they don't hold doesn't and then sometimes they casino does i

01:29:18.700 still hate joe pesci for what he did bro he ended up being such a bad uh what's what's one movie

01:29:24.880 that you don't want to watch again because i wonder if you can relate on uh a movie called

01:29:30.740 requiem for a dream never seen it maybe try to watch i don't know actually i'm not sure if i

01:29:36.420 want you to watch that really yeah darren aronofsky absolute fucking classic it's a very

01:29:42.520 it's a disturbing disturbing film about drugs it is it is fucked dude marlon waynes jared leto

01:29:52.580 jennifer jennifer lawrence jennifer lawrence no no not jennifer lawrence jennifer uh

01:29:59.640 Aniston.

01:30:00.360 Jennifer Garner.

01:30:01.800 No, it's one of the Jennifers.

01:30:03.100 There's a lot of Jennifers.

01:30:03.640 Jennifers.

01:30:04.420 But it's an insane movie about heroin, and just, it's dark.

01:30:10.020 I watch it.

01:30:10.660 Send it to me.

01:30:11.500 I like more emotional stuff.

01:30:14.580 I watch some dark stuff.

01:30:15.700 Brother, they call it the one movie you swore you'd never watch again.

01:30:20.140 It took me over a decade of being out of jail before I would watch jail shows.

01:30:26.300 Nobody said Shawshank.

01:30:28.120 Oh, my God.

01:30:29.640 But even then, I wouldn't watch it.

01:30:31.080 When I got out, I didn't watch it for like a decade.

01:30:33.240 I was like, my wife would be like, she would get into like, she loves murder mystery stuff.

01:30:38.420 And she'd turn on First 48 and I'd flip out when we first got together.

01:30:41.500 I was like, yo.

01:30:42.160 It's a great show.

01:30:42.880 I was like, no, no.

01:30:44.540 And she was talking to me the other day.

01:30:45.880 She was like, what are you doing?

01:30:47.000 I was like, watching First 48.

01:30:48.620 And she's like, really?

01:30:49.480 I was like, I've been watching to go to sleep lately.

01:30:51.120 Wow.

01:30:51.580 Because I've been, you know, whatever.

01:30:52.640 And she was like, and that's such a sign of your healing.

01:30:55.080 she was like when i first got with you nine years ago she was like you would

01:30:58.900 like yell at me if i walked in the room i was like turn that shit off like immediately it would

01:31:03.580 get like weird and now i'm like yeah watch it every night it's funny you say that because i

01:31:08.260 read a news report the other day that uh watching uh crime shows is one sign of uh potentially of

01:31:16.700 a psychopath yeah right fuck that yeah i was gonna say i know what you're talking about

01:31:21.680 Of course, I saw it, but it was a lot.

01:31:24.280 Is your girl in a true crime?

01:31:26.280 What's that?

01:31:26.800 Is your girl in a true crime?

01:31:28.040 Every girl.

01:31:28.380 Yeah, we watch, of course.

01:31:29.380 True girl in a true crime?

01:31:29.720 Do we watch?

01:31:30.360 That's all Bunny watches.

01:31:31.400 I go to see Forensic Files, which every girl's in a true crime.

01:31:33.620 Pretty sure.

01:31:34.380 Do you know that show Forensic Files?

01:31:35.420 Forensic Files is a true crime podcast.

01:31:37.120 Yeah, no, 100%.

01:31:38.480 Bunny does it, and when she does her podcast in October,

01:31:42.560 she does like a horror theme every week with it,

01:31:46.020 like either a murder mystery or something that caught her eye,

01:31:48.500 and she'll do a whole pod on it.

01:31:49.720 and she dresses up for every day of the month of Halloween.

01:31:53.380 Oh, she's a Halloween lover?

01:31:54.960 Yeah, she'll start posting her Halloween pictures today

01:31:58.440 for the next 31 days.

01:32:00.240 Every day will be a different Halloween.

01:32:01.560 How long have you guys been together for now?

01:32:03.140 We've been together eight years.

01:32:04.140 Eight years.

01:32:04.400 We've been married eight years, eight and some change.

01:32:06.760 And how did you meet?

01:32:07.840 A bar, at a bar.

01:32:09.200 The old-fashioned way, baby.

01:32:11.640 Where, where?

01:32:12.300 Like it happened in the movies.

01:32:14.300 Las Vegas Country Saloon.

01:32:15.940 Amazing.

01:32:16.640 Wow.

01:32:16.740 I was doing the show.

01:32:18.180 It was a soft-ticket show,

01:32:19.140 So we were like doing some of our songs and covers and just, you know,

01:32:21.960 we're just doing a bar circuit.

01:32:23.760 She was there and we bumped into each other at the bar.

01:32:27.600 I was going to grab a drink.

01:32:29.100 She was going to grab a drink.

01:32:30.240 I knew she had Xanax.

01:32:31.580 I asked her for one.

01:32:32.880 You know what I'm saying?

01:32:34.680 So I was like, that girl's got Xanax.

01:32:36.240 And I was just immediately like, ah.

01:32:37.700 She just looked like an angel.

01:32:39.860 Like an old South Nashville mating call.

01:32:43.340 Shake a bottle of pills and I'll run.

01:32:45.980 What does she think of?

01:32:49.140 craziness oh dude she's actually been my biggest supporter in all of it of course man we talk

01:32:53.500 about it we foxhole up though man it's what it goes back to little things in your life to change

01:32:58.540 when i was in the streets it was like no pillow talking like you never talked to a girl about

01:33:02.960 your business because what do you think they're gonna do when you break up yeah for sure now i

01:33:06.280 don't do nothing but pillow talk that's all i look forward to my pillow talk i'm waiting for it i'm

01:33:12.620 like oh it's the end of the day i can unload i'm like a girl i just like pull my hair back i'm like

01:33:16.540 This is how it happened, and Dave was a dickhead.

01:33:19.120 You know, like, she's really been my anchor, man.

01:33:21.480 That's awesome.

01:33:22.000 Also, you know she's not going to get called in as a witness to a felony

01:33:25.360 indictment anytime soon, so you can tell her everything.

01:33:27.900 We also quit committing felonies.

01:33:29.600 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:33:31.700 We did commit some together early in our relationship.

01:33:34.040 We were both pretty wild when we first got together.

01:33:36.340 Yeah.

01:33:37.000 She's sweet.

01:33:37.520 She's sweet, man.

01:33:38.540 I have to ask you about WWE.

01:33:40.340 Please.

01:33:41.820 They say you love it.

01:33:43.260 Love.

01:33:43.760 Yeah.

01:33:43.940 Dude, I'm, like, truly a fan.

01:33:45.880 And I think the storytelling right now is, like, probably the best it's been in a long time.

01:33:50.460 I was going to ask you about the product.

01:33:52.160 I think it's the best it's been since the Cena era.

01:33:54.480 Yeah.

01:33:54.800 And to see Cena coming back around.

01:33:56.580 You know what I mean?

01:33:57.300 Like, and I think before that it was, you know, I mean, it was the Attitude Era almost.

01:34:01.640 So, it's like I think that we're seeing, I would say wrestling's bigger than it's ever been right now.

01:34:06.600 Totally.

01:34:07.020 So, it's really fun.

01:34:07.940 And they are finding a way at the WWE to serve two masters.

01:34:14.100 and they're serving that they are keeping people engaged every single week

01:34:19.340 and they're keeping it fast because the times need fast stories.

01:34:22.820 But they're also allowing bigger stories to develop over longer periods of time,

01:34:27.920 like watching the bloodline develop over 36 months,

01:34:32.240 taking three WrestleManias for Cody to finish his story.

01:34:36.760 But they kept us so engaged that we almost had forgot

01:34:40.060 that we had been watching these big storylines play out

01:34:42.680 sure because they were giving us the little fast nuggets that we needed for

01:34:45.740 Instagram and tick tock.

01:34:47.340 So I think they're doing the best they've ever done,

01:34:49.380 man.

01:34:49.520 I think the talent's higher than it's ever been.

01:34:51.360 I'm just,

01:34:51.760 I'm,

01:34:52.040 I'm admittedly because I'm an older guy as a dude that like didn't tune into

01:34:56.120 it around the scene of time.

01:34:57.540 It got really live again.

01:34:58.720 You're like,

01:34:59.120 Oh,

01:34:59.280 it's happening.

01:34:59.880 Yeah.

01:35:00.160 And a couple of years ago I started feeling the writing was changing.

01:35:03.060 I was seeing it more and I knew that Roman was Roman.

01:35:05.700 You know what I mean?

01:35:06.220 Like you could feel it.

01:35:07.660 Yeah.

01:35:07.820 I mean,

01:35:08.020 he just,

01:35:09.360 it was,

01:35:09.920 it felt early that he was going to be a version of the rock that he was going

01:35:13.300 to be some generations version of the rock.

01:35:15.420 You know what I mean?

01:35:16.220 Like there's kids out there that look at him.

01:35:18.840 Like I looked at the rock.

01:35:20.240 Yeah.

01:35:20.680 For sure.

01:35:21.020 Like when 1998,

01:35:22.720 when he's at 96,

01:35:23.900 when he's at municipal auditorium and him and Stone Cold are doing WWE

01:35:27.820 Monday night raw.

01:35:29.140 And I'm up in the nosebleed section with my brother.

01:35:31.780 I knew that kids were feeling that way about Roman.

01:35:34.960 You,

01:35:35.220 you did that.

01:35:36.240 That was,

01:35:36.520 that's a true story.

01:35:37.540 Do you have a true story?

01:35:38.660 Oh yeah,

01:35:38.980 absolutely.

01:35:39.420 told dj this i mean true true story so it's like going from that because you know i was a south

01:35:44.780 nashville kid we go to the wrestling fairgrounds we go to the underground we go to the backyard

01:35:48.580 ecw shits like we were like super white trash okay so can i okay so that's amazing that's amazing

01:35:55.740 um what what about people who like maybe aren't aren't aren't fans of wrestling because they think

01:36:02.340 you know what they think yeah like how how do you describe it to people who who don't understand

01:36:08.360 like what they're watching because i i admittedly like i was one of those people at some point yeah

01:36:12.740 you're watching one real incredible storytelling like and it's also wholesome like i know there's

01:36:20.260 times it gets a little wild but that's what makes it even more wholesome when it comes back around

01:36:24.000 because it's always going to come back around and um i'm also into it because i'm an entertainer

01:36:29.840 i'm a showman right like i just uh i'll give you an example when are y'all dropping this

01:36:35.900 we got a little you got a little bit two weeks two weeks so i do so this is all i'm gonna say

01:36:40.920 i'm gonna i do something in my show because i don't want to burn this for the people that might

01:36:44.620 watch it might be coming to my tour even though most of your people are like who the fuck is this

01:36:47.320 fat dude anyway no wait no please come they're here to watch cousins you they're asking who we

01:36:53.740 are but uh i took something from a roman thing i'll tell you off camera that i put in my show

01:36:59.840 cool i'm that much of a fan of stuff that like when i watch things i'm like there's a there's a

01:37:04.880 Quoting the entertainment business, you're going to love this

01:37:06.780 because I've watched your pod for years. It says

01:37:08.640 the good ones will borrow, but the great ones will

01:37:10.780 steal. Steal like an artist. Yeah. You know what I

01:37:12.800 mean? So it's like I stole something.

01:37:14.600 Straight from Roman, like this is it. So yeah, I started

01:37:16.860 tuning back in and then I thought you

01:37:18.780 were great for it because you brought a whole new eyes in

01:37:20.840 and it brought athleticism

01:37:22.900 and

01:37:23.600 you mind me

01:37:25.440 telling a story? You can cut this for a fucking

01:37:28.720 podcast. Nah, we'll actually allow it, man.

01:37:31.280 I think we just, hold on, let's check.

01:37:32.660 Well, it's about him. Is that cool? No, no, no.

01:37:34.340 No, it's about Logan.

01:37:36.020 I don't want Logan to, like, I don't know if this is something he don't want people to know.

01:37:39.240 No, I don't care.

01:37:39.920 But when I'm in the ring that day getting ready to sound check, I'm leaning over the ring, and I'm looking around.

01:37:45.760 And I keep watching Logan switch chairs, and he's doing this like he's fucking fixing to paint something.

01:37:52.280 And then he brings his dude over with the camera, right?

01:37:55.620 And he's like, and they're looking at it, and they're looking, and I don't really get it.

01:37:59.440 And then still, I didn't fully get what they were doing.

01:38:02.080 So I just kind of keep going on about my business.

01:38:04.100 i was like this dude's obsessed with whatever's happening at this seat and then in the middle of

01:38:08.840 the match i'm on the other side of where he was and when he goes and climbs up on those ropes i go

01:38:14.600 this fucking dude this is why he's one of the best dudes this is why he's one of the best content

01:38:21.480 creators he was looking at the shot he knew he was that particular about exactly where he wanted

01:38:28.980 it to be and i was like and i love whenever people are great and you get to find out why

01:38:35.660 there's something special that happens when somebody's cool like i hope i leave here today

01:38:39.840 and you you go i get it you know what i'm saying i got it beforehand and and to be honest not that

01:38:45.940 you didn't but i'm saying like for me with you like that was a moment when i was like that dude

01:38:50.300 is really thinking in the fucking future can i can i blow can i blow your head up even more

01:38:54.940 about that shot yeah he was he was probably gonna say this maybe not he was not only thinking of

01:39:00.180 the future he was also thinking of the past in that moment because it's even deeper than than

01:39:05.880 what you're talking about he wasn't only trying to create the next shot yeah but he was trying

01:39:10.940 to create a continuation of a shot that it happened when how long before that i'm not even

01:39:16.640 sure what you're talking about mike are you talking about the the moonsault off the rope

01:39:19.700 that you did you created that piece of content where you had the practice is that what you're

01:39:23.580 talking about then yeah damn it bro you ruined my fucking fantastic story sorry so he had he had

01:39:31.100 he had shot it in practice in puerto rico and combined really it happening at summer slam

01:39:37.420 with the practice shot when i'm telling you that he literally two or three different seats got in

01:39:43.720 the back row like he was right i was and i didn't know why because i hadn't seen him work out their

01:39:48.980 shit yet i missed all that him and kels had just done it so when i'm out watching the match in real

01:39:53.840 time i truly don't know what's happening so i'm like a fan they got me mic'd up and everything

01:39:57.660 and all i know is what i the one thing i know you know what i mean i'm watching when he goes

01:40:02.020 up there i was like this motherfucker was staging his shots sorry you're totally right no it's okay

01:40:07.980 you're tired first off i i appreciate that yeah we're pretty specific about well i'm not even i

01:40:14.460 don't have the energy to like dive into like the intricacies of content creation but like

01:40:18.240 i love what i do i take it very serious when you do have the time call me yeah give me 15 minutes

01:40:24.200 of some game this is what i did want to say to you um that is i that is i think why i haven't

01:40:30.200 really like try to develop a camaraderie yet with you at these events because like

01:40:34.700 it's it's sort of like ritualistic for me and i'm very new still and so i i really kind of just

01:40:43.480 like it's hard for me to it's hard for me to be like a cool fun friendly guy and also be like

01:40:48.140 shit dude 50 000 people are gonna watch me probably break my leg but i hope not

01:40:55.280 and here's what i gotta do to make sure i don't break my leg and and and the headspace that i'm

01:41:00.000 in at pl8 you're locked in it i haven't yet gotten able to like balance it you might not ever

01:41:06.940 i'm not doing flips in front of 50 000 people but i'm doing 16 000 a night in an arena and if you

01:41:13.280 caught me on a show day and it wasn't in my dressing room in a moment i was sitting down

01:41:17.080 you would think i was fucking a lost puppy a little bit i mean because i'm thinking about how

01:41:21.620 do i not go out here and blow this how do i not blow my voice i'm very picky about how loud i'll

01:41:27.440 get on show days i respect i understand no i do and and it's funny because watching you in the

01:41:32.200 rehearsals i was sitting we were sitting behind you and it was the first time i'd seen you perform

01:41:36.280 live and i'm like oh i get it yeah this motherfucker can't fucking sing like you you put your soul

01:41:43.100 into your music when you're singing and and i i have to say just oh that's cool that's when you

01:41:47.560 got it yeah well it's it's funny the moments are super similar and i'm telling you like bro i was

01:41:53.480 sitting 15 feet behind you and i like felt it in my soul i'm like fuck the songs are smashing

01:42:00.380 homeboy can sing i gotta get to know him one day i just you know whatever i'm in the headspace but

01:42:05.340 I'm glad it worked this way, though, man.

01:42:07.000 It's the way I like to do it, too.

01:42:08.240 Me, too.

01:42:09.180 There's a lot.

01:42:09.920 There's a lot, dude.

01:42:10.820 You have so much depth.

01:42:12.300 And I appreciate that we've gotten a chance to unpack.

01:42:15.260 I have to give a shout out to Kevin, my videographer.

01:42:19.040 I can't do this shit without someone extremely good at their job.

01:42:23.800 That young man right there in the light-colored shirt is so fucking good at his job.

01:42:29.720 And I'm not here on accident because I got lucky by myself.

01:42:33.900 i have a team of really adept people who pay really close attention to what that lens is

01:42:40.380 capturing and that shot in particular was like a large part in his ability to like execute because

01:42:46.420 i i need to trust that the person shooting that is going to get that shot because like that could

01:42:51.880 be my last jump for four months if i pull my acl don't fuck it up if i even get it right right um

01:42:57.620 and he did and so because also because it's not you nailed it it's also not a job to him that's

01:43:02.080 why yeah it's his life kevin fucking lives for this shit bro it's hard to find that's the first

01:43:06.760 time he looked like y'all were praising him well he deserves more praise that's probably the deepest

01:43:11.940 y'all were giving y'all were giving kevin the nicest words and he was sitting over there like

01:43:14.740 his that's how i looked he cracked the smile that's why he said the light colored shirt i

01:43:20.720 kept looking around like it can't be this no i know i was like i know you don't know who i'm

01:43:23.520 talking about he's just sitting there no it's him bro it's him he's a wizard he's a wizard behind

01:43:27.220 the lens and i remember thinking man that is fucking i've told that story about you to everybody

01:43:31.520 i'm talking behind the scenes you know how people talk yeah and it was like yeah they were talking

01:43:35.940 about wrestling it's like how was logan paul i was like dude let me tell you about this guy

01:43:38.640 thank you man you're sweet you're always sweet to me anyway i was like the man just knew what

01:43:43.500 he was doing man it's uh it's my most viewed video on instagram ever that that particular

01:43:48.880 video fucking beautiful sometimes you get that you get that perfect video and as like a person

01:43:53.000 who's been doing this forever dude like i i love that that idea did you feel it when you were

01:43:58.420 flipping that it was nailed yeah i know you probably talked about this a bunch but did you

01:44:02.660 feel it like in the middle of the air i knew it i love that feeling i knew it and and it was the

01:44:07.400 best i had ever done it oh in front of it was crazy oh that's the best feel wwe is i appreciate

01:44:13.740 what you said about this showmanship artistry of of what you're witnessing because like that's

01:44:20.660 something that like to my core i'm obsessed with it every single action has a meaning and is

01:44:30.300 important to get right and has has it has a depth that i think like the average person doesn't

01:44:37.140 understand but once you're in the world and you like realize the stories that you're watching

01:44:41.620 i'm glued now i'm a fan oh the showmanship though the athleticism and i'm dude i uh

01:44:49.000 getting the chokeslam awesome theories oh my god that was dude that was ever happened in my career

01:44:54.720 dude that was sick you nailed it it was so good i remember seeing that i was like why yes

01:45:02.400 yes i'm telling you dude i'm coming man let's go dude you chokeslam the fuck out of him and i

01:45:09.600 caught the bug in a way that i've never caught a bug sick yeah i caught a bug so much i think i

01:45:14.620 to buy a ring i just it was the it was it was awesome dude and and and to shoot on it for a

01:45:20.580 second because i haven't got to do this yet and this is where i've been hoping i got to do it

01:45:24.180 let's go austin theory yeah is a superhero yeah he is a fucking hero yeah is what he is and i'm

01:45:31.780 not in the business so i don't gotta carry kayfabe that dude made me look like a fucking rock star

01:45:37.280 i love that dude and will forever because he told me that whole night night he was like

01:45:42.220 I got you dog

01:45:44.100 trust me

01:45:44.980 and because I looked

01:45:45.700 I sat down with

01:45:46.620 R-Truth and Miz

01:45:47.660 earlier in the night

01:45:49.200 and I said look y'all

01:45:50.020 if we do this right

01:45:51.420 we should have a top

01:45:53.260 three viral moment

01:45:54.240 I was like

01:45:55.780 Roman's return

01:45:57.360 Logan's flip

01:45:59.100 Arch fucking

01:46:00.920 five knuckle

01:46:01.480 shuffling chokeslam

01:46:02.440 that should be

01:46:03.100 the three moments

01:46:03.760 it was the three moments

01:46:05.520 by the way

01:46:05.980 dead on

01:46:07.020 and I was like

01:46:08.020 if we pull this

01:46:08.940 and you know

01:46:09.340 something you'll

01:46:10.060 appreciate about this

01:46:10.900 you can ask Miz

01:46:11.580 I did the work, too, though.

01:46:13.100 I went back there and really got with Miz,

01:46:14.940 and I spent some time back there.

01:46:16.340 Hey, how great is Miz?

01:46:17.120 He's the best.

01:46:18.460 I love him.

01:46:18.740 He is the fucking dude.

01:46:20.260 He is the dude.

01:46:20.960 R-Truth, too.

01:46:22.240 Miz is probably like a mentor to you, huh?

01:46:23.720 Yes, he is.

01:46:24.040 Especially being an old Cleveland dude.

01:46:25.580 Sent me a gift from my baby girl.

01:46:27.800 Just a sweet dude.

01:46:28.820 He's awesome.

01:46:29.360 I love him.

01:46:29.920 And such a good coach.

01:46:31.160 Such a good coach, man.

01:46:32.280 I felt like I was in the better hands in Allstate.

01:46:34.960 I mean, I felt so comfortable with them.

01:46:37.600 I feel bad every time they make me wrestle him

01:46:39.300 that I just have to beat his ass.

01:46:40.660 Yeah, right.

01:46:41.120 You got to do what you got to do

01:46:43.960 At least you got to give a bump, bro

01:46:47.240 And you didn't have to fucking take one

01:46:48.640 He got his ass beat

01:46:50.220 The Usos

01:46:52.040 You got to give a bump

01:46:54.200 Yeah, dude

01:46:55.020 You got to slam someone

01:46:56.460 I got smoked, bro

01:46:58.000 You should watch the Usos

01:46:59.820 Super kicking the fuck out of here

01:47:01.700 It was crazy

01:47:02.920 In Saudi Arabia, dude

01:47:04.420 I love Jacob

01:47:05.580 I love Jacob, by the way

01:47:06.940 Oh, yeah

01:47:07.440 Fatou

01:47:08.060 I think Fatou is

01:47:09.260 I think he is one of the

01:47:10.500 he is the dude so so look i love that dude as a dude but i love him as a wrestler i love his um

01:47:16.340 i love everything about very clear rising star he's he's one of the only guys who

01:47:23.140 really stands out to me and i think everyone else sees it and while i like i recognize his greatness

01:47:31.080 Part of me also thinks

01:47:34.400 He's on my list

01:47:37.000 Yeah

01:47:37.580 And I will be wrestling him in the near future

01:47:40.560 And we're going to be going at it

01:47:42.380 So I sort of see him as

01:47:43.940 The speed of that

01:47:46.700 Match is going to be crazy

01:47:48.360 Yeah

01:47:48.840 If y'all ever do end up in a situation

01:47:53.400 The speed of that

01:47:54.560 I promise you we're going to go

01:47:56.380 Fucking crazy

01:47:57.600 Crazy

01:47:59.940 I don't know when it's going to happen, but, like, dude, it's inevitable, no?

01:48:03.060 I hope so.

01:48:03.600 I'll tell you what, I'm coming.

01:48:04.640 If it ever happens, I'm coming.

01:48:06.160 It's going to go crazy.

01:48:06.640 To me, that's the two up-and-comers, man, the two wild cards in the WWE.

01:48:11.800 Though y'all two have the two storylines that I think could go anywhere.

01:48:15.360 That is true.

01:48:16.200 That is true.

01:48:16.960 Yeah.

01:48:17.340 I got to figure it out.

01:48:17.780 Everybody else, you can kind of see a little bit of how it's going,

01:48:20.480 but y'all two are like, I can really kind of go wherever it wants to go.

01:48:23.500 I'm turning face.

01:48:24.220 Yeah.

01:48:24.660 Yeah.

01:48:25.740 Fucking.

01:48:26.140 they're like so we actually can't even do that

01:48:30.560 um all right low i want to ask him are you hungry right now not at all what do you got food

01:48:37.080 well i want yeah i just put out a new product actually it's called bunch

01:48:41.680 it's uh it's better for you than lunch bowl it's got 400 yeah i'm saying that like i'm in the

01:48:46.840 company now here's the way you are are we allowed to say it's got 400 milligrams of electrolytes

01:48:51.960 Nine grams of protein per pack

01:48:54.200 I just ate macaroni

01:48:56.440 Small amount, tiny amount

01:48:58.280 Almost like an amount you wouldn't even recognize

01:49:00.240 Well I didn't know that

01:49:01.440 Forget it, we'll skip McDonald's

01:49:04.360 I do love the lunch leaves

01:49:07.600 I appreciate you Jelly Roll

01:49:09.320 Look, I know you have a show tonight

01:49:11.600 Which is fucking crazy that you even did this podcast

01:49:13.740 Thank you baby, I'm excited

01:49:15.000 I appreciate you coming on so much

01:49:17.180 Your vulnerability means so much to me

01:49:19.100 So much to Mike

01:49:20.560 and so much to our audience

01:49:22.740 and I know

01:49:24.860 you were joking but I can assure

01:49:26.820 you that any impulsive fans who didn't

01:49:28.980 know who you were that now know

01:49:30.820 who you were are going to be attending your

01:49:32.800 shows and following your life and career man

01:49:34.680 because you have made an impression on all

01:49:36.760 of us in this room and everyone watching today

01:49:38.440 thank you so much for joining us

01:49:40.100 I appreciate your time, love you man

01:49:41.340 you have a new

01:49:44.940 album, October

01:49:46.200 October the 11th, it's called Beautifully Broken

01:49:48.820 it's out now

01:49:50.580 we're fixing to come out

01:49:51.360 not sure where we're at

01:49:52.100 in a month

01:49:52.520 but please

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01:49:57.320 let's fucking go

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