00:01:00.000Hi, this is Kylie Brakeman, Angela Jaritana, Jeremy Culhane, Patrick McDonald, and we're the hosts of the Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists podcast.
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00:01:24.500He gets right up next to the microphone.
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00:01:42.140I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it.
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00:10:01.100He was the first one to take it nationwide because he was embraced by the New York, you know, from the Zulu Nation to all the Karas Ones, just the New York, you know, the best groups at the time.0.94
00:11:22.680terrible taste pretty good you know to get shot by iced tea everybody can't say that it was cool
00:11:27.660it was cool it could have been vanilla ice or something like that no i got shot by a legend
00:11:31.700yeah yeah for sure you talked you talked about east coast and obviously like new york city
00:11:36.480started hip-hop right like we could all agree on that right and and years later there would be this
00:11:41.860massive uh you know beef between pak and biggie and you know east and west but what was the
00:11:47.500relationship like with east coast hip-hop when you guys started like did you guys have a relationship
00:11:52.520with them or was there conversation we was fans you know we were fans we studied you know the best
00:12:00.500groups out there everything that was coming out of new york we studied it and um embraced it
00:12:07.600and um sharpened our tools you know with with those great artists those great records we
00:12:16.460sharpened our tools you know but we wanted to kind of carve our own lane because doing
00:12:23.440imitations of what they were doing wasn't working for us so we started to carve our own lane it's0.96
00:12:29.340just like let's just talk about the shit that's going on in the hood let's just talk about what's0.93
00:12:34.040going on around here and if we just become neighborhood stars that's good enough that's0.99
00:12:39.820better than what that's better than what we are now and shit you know so once we did that that's0.95
00:12:46.880when we got our niche everybody really started to pay attention and we love new york and we was0.95
00:12:54.340embraced by the east coast um but it was an undercurrent in the industry of people who
00:13:03.340you know thought that our our records was too hard you know our records was uh you know not
00:13:11.760real hip-hop you know i mean it was just kind of just uh like street records and and so um
00:13:19.900that was just kind of in the industry you know with the with the writers and the djs and the
00:13:25.980and the people that made the industry kind of click and then it kind of reverberated a little
00:13:32.500to the artists you know i think you know before biggie and pop you know uh tim dog had a record
00:13:39.060called fuck compton um and that was just kind of out of the blue and so it was just you know those
00:13:46.580kind of things just uh kind of came to a head with biggie and pop right right yeah i was gonna ask0.64
00:13:54.800uh because you know as someone who at least would like to consider myself a trailblazer in a sense
00:14:00.540kind of just hacking away in this forest no no real blueprint for what we're doing you did that
00:14:05.720on such a grand scale but how did you and your boys have the balls to essentially give the middle
00:14:15.140finger to traditional media who was trying to make this narrative go a certain way when it came to0.68
00:14:19.480hip-hop especially in the face of back then racism well we knew like at the time nobody was paying
00:14:27.960attention to what we was doing and saying we felt like we was just talking to each other
00:14:33.100and so they didn't matter you know and we realized they don't matter and we'd still be underground
00:14:42.380if they didn't come you know worried about you know what we was doing you see what i'm saying
00:14:48.860so um that was our attitude is we're not worried about them because they're not our audience they're
00:14:57.020not the ones that's gonna um benefit off this or they're not the ones that go through what we go
00:15:05.740through so they not they don't understand because we knew what we talked what we was talking about
00:15:12.600was real but we knew they didn't understand and so we didn't care because they was just lame you
00:15:20.180know i mean they just they don't get it they're not us they're not going through it so why should
00:15:26.160we ever listened to to them i guess just because i don't know like the authorities or or people
00:15:33.860painting you the wrong way in the limelight that didn't worry you guys not at all because that was
00:15:39.480happening anyway you know you don't have to do nothing for the police to mess with you you know
00:15:45.320i'm saying so that was happening anyway so why worry about what was already happening
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00:17:24.400we didn't think we were ever gonna be big artists you know i'm saying we thought we was just gonna
00:17:30.340stay underground that's crazy because the music was so hard we didn't think nobody was gonna
00:17:36.860like wanna play it or wanna be a part of it unless you really understood what was going on
00:17:44.340and so we felt like at the time it ain't gonna be too many people to understand this life or
00:17:52.020what's going on so we probably only gonna sell a little amount of underground records did did
00:17:58.480that lack of pressure uh that you felt prior to the commercial commercialization of hip-hop
00:18:05.640do you think that was a funner time for you creating before it was fully embraced by like
00:18:10.440the entire culture like did you have more fun when it was just you and your homies kind of
00:18:14.160doing it just for yourselves and for like just for a small group of people um i don't know you
00:18:20.400know in a way you spending somebody money that probably ain't got it so the pressure is on yeah
00:18:27.920like easy's coming out the pocket paying for these records so we want to make sure you make
00:18:35.200his money back so you want to make a hit record you want so there's still the pressure there
00:18:40.960Even if we didn't know we was going to sell a lot, we wanted to at least sell enough so he can make his money back, even if he sold him out to Trump, you see, of his car.
00:18:56.520And actually, you know, going through the industry, doing your thing, you know, as an artist, you get to a point where you're like, I don't care what the industry thinks.
00:19:08.680I only care about what Ice Cube fans think, and that's the freedom.
00:19:14.840That's when you're having the most fun, when you cannot care about charts
00:19:20.100or sales or this or that or numbers, and you can just make your fans happy
00:25:26.820Or bringing in somebody like Stephen King and saying, hey, you wrote this scary-ass book and you got to be held accountable for Chapter 7 of The Shining.0.99
00:25:43.860you know what I'm saying it's kind of like that's that's how stupid it is to to pull a rapper in0.99
00:25:50.620and say these lyrics you know uh point to to to you know you're a criminal because you wrote0.99
00:26:00.220wrote lyrics like this now there's always a separation there's music shit and there's street0.99
00:26:08.320shit now if artists don't realize he's a music he's in the music business and continues to do0.99
00:26:16.300street shit then you got street shit consequences to that so that's a whole different thing you0.99
00:26:24.620know it's kind of like but you know i can't be on trial for one thing and then somebody start0.98
00:26:32.240pulling out you know lyrics from america's most wanted in 1990 and started saying you said this0.91
00:26:40.020so you must have did what they're accusing you of you know that's bullshit i want to i want to0.94
00:26:46.500back up a little bit and talk about how you uh dre and and easy like came together like how did0.93
00:26:52.700y'all link up to to create nwa in the first place um i met dre when i was uh about 14 years old
00:27:02.500and so he uh his cousin used to live down the street from me a dude named sir jinx and um
00:27:11.340i started rapping and and you know i got better and better and then one day he came over
00:27:18.000to jinx house for barbecue or something and uh and then i he was able to hear me rap now dre was
00:27:25.720already he was already part of the wrecking crew they was already doing parties all over the city
00:27:31.980he was djing he had a record out called uh dr dre and surgery and so he was like the most famous
00:27:40.900person we all knew and so to he heard me he heard me rap and he and he just liked me and so
00:27:50.000you know he started to come over more and more and you know i started helping him write rhymes
00:28:00.060for the wrecking crew and you know some of the rhymes we we wrote actually got them a little more
00:28:07.180um status in the city and so dre used to do these mixtapes called traffic jams for the radio you
00:28:16.780know like 15 minute mix while you in traffic and whatever you know and it was new and so he would
00:28:24.300want he want people to rap on the front of it because he got tired of making these four track
00:28:29.440things so he would ask me to rap and um i started rapping it wasn't a record so i started rapping
00:28:36.860about the neighborhood and that just caught on like people wanted more and more and more of that
00:28:43.660and so we kind of found our niche and then easy him and dre knew each other they used to do parties
00:28:52.340in compton high back in the day but they fell out easy start you know they started uh doing this
00:28:58.360thing and shit you know in the streets and so they looked they they lost contact but anyway0.71
00:41:57.120respect for multifaceted people especially creatives and and this is a good pivot actually
00:42:02.200because i wanted to ask you who you are you're rapping right and then eventually you you're
00:42:06.700doing a business acumen but i think the the thing the asterisk with you that not a lot of people
00:42:11.940have is the creative side of you you know yeah you're creative you like to write yeah and uh
00:42:17.380none of them can do what i do no it's that's the that's all the things that's awesome to be able
00:42:23.440to say that like convincingly because when you say it it's like immediately believed and it's
00:42:28.300credible what's unreplicable you can't you can't creativity is that that that thing you know you
00:42:32.760can't quantify it you just have it and i'm wondering when you realized you you were able
00:42:39.020to contribute more than just your rapping in a really significant way like had you written for
00:42:43.680a bunch of people you had these hit records or when you know once i realized like what what
00:42:50.300what makes it all worth it for me like what what actually is it that turned me on about
00:42:56.680this industry and what i'm doing and it's not it's not the outcome it's the create it's it's the
00:43:06.440creating in the moment you know i mean so i love creating and so you know to be able to do it on
00:43:16.220record or movie or write a script or whatever is is what's cool is actually you know it's it's the
00:43:25.540it's the uh it's the chef that wants to cook the food but might not eat the food you know i'm saying
00:43:30.520he just want to set it out and let everybody else enjoy it you know i'm saying so um that's what
00:43:37.540turns me on so that's that's the engine that keeps everything rolling and that's what keeps me
00:43:45.500inspired is is the creative process so although i think that's the healthiest place to land for
00:43:54.000creatives because as you know you're just making stuff all the time and you can't become too
00:43:59.380outcome dependent because i think that can really fuck with your mind surely though you want your0.71
00:44:06.620products to be received well right or are you completely indifferent to releasing a song a0.56
00:44:12.460movie and getting critiqued well i mean you want it to be received well i mean but at the end of
00:44:19.980the day it's not up to you yeah like um you know a person that put a painting on the wall
00:44:29.520he can't really care what you think about it he gone like he's doing the next painting
00:44:35.420yeah it's you that's looking at it and you have to interpret it and you have to live with it and
00:44:42.000do whatever you're going to do with it but he's not really concerned because like he's off to the
00:44:48.460next painting you know i'm saying so it's it's taking that it's taking that attitude but of
00:44:56.080course you want people to like it you want people to be able to enjoy it over and over and over again
00:45:01.520um but you know if we watch the same movie at the same time we're not seeing the same movie
00:45:11.140because the parts that we don't see that we have to make up in our head
00:45:16.780about the character and about the story, it's all different.0.99
00:45:20.940In my mind, the character took the bus to the damn spot.0.97
00:45:25.640In your mind, he got a ride from his girl.0.99
00:45:28.160In his mind, he jumped in his Lambo and got to the...
00:45:30.780So everybody is seeing a different movie,
00:45:34.140even if we're watching the same movie.
00:45:35.920So we can't really be caught up in the outcome.
00:45:38.660But you did do an incredible job of portraying a part of the world that people were very curious about, and that being South L.A., Compton in general, in a time where you've said in the past, every movie that was coming out, whether it was Colors, whether it was Boys in the Hood, painted the hood out to be this menacing, dark place.
00:46:05.980and that from what i understand that was the reason why you got the confidence and the idea
00:46:12.300and the creative behind writing friday yeah because if you live in the hood you laughing
00:46:17.360all the time so you're like wait a minute if this is supposed to be such a dark place why are we
00:46:25.460laughing to our side hurt because you realize it's it's just as much comedy in the hood as
00:46:35.340it is tragedy and and people should see how much fun we had growing up too and not just
00:46:43.580oh my god you know everything is terrible like everything is unpredictable you don't know when
00:46:50.420it's gonna pop off but every day is not you know hell so that's what we wanted to portray in friday
00:46:59.320like how much fun we have with this crazy life we're dealing with you know when did you
00:47:07.360make the jump from being this like hardcore hip-hop dude to a comedy guy or or or or doing
00:47:17.900the family films because i remember that was that was fascinating to watch you know right growing up0.98
00:47:23.360i mean you had this prolific hip-hop career and and i mean you're ice cube you know fucking hard0.99
00:47:28.240motherfucker and then you come out in these family movies and it was such a it was such an amazing0.99
00:47:33.260duality to watch but did you have to swallow a pill or or or maybe check something in you0.99
00:47:41.400because you were afraid people were gonna not maybe take you as serious anymore if you're doing
00:47:46.460you know comedy and making jokes um no no you know at the time you know we had there friday
00:47:53.380which made people feel the same way like man you hardcore how you gonna do a movie like friday
00:48:01.000so but that was r-rated and then and then we did we did barbershop which was like pg-13
00:48:09.640so it was like okay we could make them laugh in in r-rated we can make them laugh in a pg-13
00:56:35.720You know, it's something that's just a passion play, you know.
00:56:40.220As a fan is why the Big Three is here because I wanted to see it, you know.
00:56:44.740And I felt like there's a lot of cool people who want to see something cool in the summer.0.98
00:56:49.180The summer sometimes is boring as fuck when it comes to sports.0.98
00:56:55.880Like, you know, like I love baseball, but mid-season baseball is like, okay, like preseason football, summer league, NBA, you know, it's like, you know, somebody killed me.0.98
01:12:26.280I'm just I'm just I'm just wondering, do you feel do you feel any type of way about like the hypocrisy or backpedaling of society now that we're finding out that there's a lot of holes that can be poked in the effectiveness of these vaccines that we're just finding out now that back then were forced on a lot of people.0.99
01:12:45.080and a lot of people got in a lot of trouble
01:12:46.640because they didn't put this foreign substance in their body.
01:12:50.900Yeah, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, it's a shame.
01:12:55.820It's a shame that you was even worried about saying that.
01:26:46.560He gets right up next to the microphone.
01:26:48.280I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other.
01:26:51.380You've never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween.
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