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00:02:13.580so you don't have to wait for access to do a story on you to be living in your your route
00:02:21.360to forgiveness false because y'all have a demographic that only knows me for one thing
00:02:26.920they are not watching this they are not watching my vlog
00:23:44.240I know. I know. I've come to accept that.
00:23:47.120But you do have all of the power to put as much, and if it means as much as it seems like it means to you, as much of your energy behind moving it forward in a way that you own, right?
00:24:01.560So you don't have to wait for access to do a story on you to be living in your route to forgiveness.
00:24:09.480false because y'all have a demographic that only knows me for one thing they are not watching this
00:24:16.180they are not watching my vlogs so then it would it would like it would really behoove you to take
00:24:20.640advantage then of the opportunities when you're in front of the the because i'm a representative
00:24:26.460it seems like i'm a representative of this audience you want to reach right that the last
00:24:31.200time they heard from you is yeah yes the controversial right and so it would seem to
00:24:37.360me that you would be you would do as much as you possibly could to to um engage in a 100 as
00:24:46.160authentic as possible experience or interaction to show this is who i am but in the snapshot that
00:24:52.980you can see in these 20 minutes but that i think going back to that question that i asked before
00:24:57.560earlier like it is is and this goes back to media responsibility and access hollywood responsibility
00:25:04.080and everybody is the story about logan paul philanthropist and make-a-wish foundation
00:25:09.340proponent and activist going to get the same i think coverage from you and i don't mean no no
00:25:16.740it's not and i'll tell you i'll tell you why it's not because and if i'm if i'm going to be perfectly
00:25:20.520candid uh and as i look at um no it's not because it doesn't it doesn't have the same it doesn't
00:25:28.480hit the same and the the not to say that it's not significant the philanthropy the the the giving
00:25:35.000back and uh your philanthropic endeavors like not to say that that doesn't have a significant pull
00:25:41.780or weight right but if you're asking me because i also can't speak for all of media right i can't
00:25:50.500speak for even access hollywood i can talk for me but you're right you're representative of the
00:25:55.120current of the current state why do you and that's why why do you think that that's what you say
00:25:58.880why does that well well because because listen and i think this goes to a higher level discussion
00:26:03.360right now about media and and current you know dialogue yeah the reason why we have someone
00:26:08.000like donald trump as president right and and and the conversation how it how it evolves and evolves
00:26:13.520and evolves around this negative connotation and dirty laundry has always paid the bills for media
00:26:19.960always always always always and it continues to and so and so logan paul logan paul you know
00:26:28.720what is he supposed to do what is he supposed to do what is he supposed to do
00:26:36.060you say that like you live it and breathe it and that's right no no authentic so my question is
00:26:43.080what do you think he should do to be totally honest with you i think you should take a break
00:26:48.000to be to be if you're asking me now this is this is not my recommendation to you this is what i
00:26:54.300think okay i think you should you need it would have been it would have been beneficial to you
00:26:59.760to take a break do you know that i get mentally unhealthy and unhappy if i'm not creating content
00:27:06.680i didn't say that you shouldn't be creating content i said you should take a break because
00:27:11.000you're creating content doesn't mean that you're putting it out and that you're you're you're being
00:27:14.400fed off of this energy exchange with an audience but that's part of my high so then maybe you need
00:27:21.000to consider being sober this is an analogy right so guys i am quitting youtube and every because
00:27:32.120of him i've never done no i'm not i'm not i'm certainly i'm certainly not saying i'm like again
00:27:37.060i'm not saying that this is what you should do if you're going to ask me my opinion i think it would
00:27:43.980have been it would have been a reasonable course of action to see the response that happened as a
00:27:51.240result of that video and to say okay i am moving you said it yourself i'm moving way too fast i've
00:27:59.860got way too much going on it appears that my my core my my conscious center is out of alignment
00:28:07.780with who i really am and now i'm hurting people in a way that i did not anticipate and so i need
00:28:13.700to get that back in check and so in order to do that i'm gonna step away he did that that break
00:28:19.700for me yeah was me training for the boxing fight that i had earlier this year so that so i that's
00:28:25.620not stepping away to me that's that is that's pivoting into something that that is just as fast
00:28:31.680just as furious and and doesn't necessarily allow you the opportunity to to then go in and say
00:28:39.180what in my life has gone undealt with that would or or handled maybe improperly that allowed me or
00:28:52.280that that propelled me to get to this point where this is what my life is or this is where the course
00:28:58.820of actions have taken me how how is it that i've gotten to this point and what is it that i need to
00:29:03.660address so that i'm not so out of alignment is that realistic sure like like for for a working
00:29:08.720person in this day and age right or or a multi-millionaire yeah all right all right listen
00:29:13.240but i'm saying but for anyone well no you can't like ah that's reality let me jump back in as
00:29:18.760opposed to it being a detriment to his pocket even if it's just a detriment to his mind to
00:29:24.480not create right is it realistic for him to take this you know six month break now when it first
00:29:30.000happened when you say six months maybe maybe i'm saying like two years three years but listen i
00:29:34.660was with him from the beginning i was not not the beginning but the beginning definitely from the
00:29:38.080beginning of the year and far beyond that but i was with him in january yeah and he took a very
00:29:42.700significant step back and i will say i will say i don't know if i've ever said this publicly um yes
00:29:48.500i took the step back it was not effective it was not a it was not a true step back i didn't i i
00:29:55.580came back and i made a very very powerful and uh strong video that is like like mike said it's the
00:30:00.880number one most viewed suicide psa ever i'm very proud of that yeah i know it saved lives um and
00:30:06.800that's one, uh, positive from the situation. But I will say again, in hindsight, I can see this now.
00:30:11.380And even now I'm sure I'm not like fully recovered and, um, hyper aware of everything,
00:30:17.760but I do know now when I look back and even after that month break, you could see in the vlogs,
00:30:22.920like that month break didn't really do anything. I didn't really learn much. Um, it took, it took
00:30:29.860relationships with people. Um, me, although you don't think it was a step back, taking a step
00:30:36.660back from the internet and focusing hard on getting my body to where it needed to be for this
00:30:40.800crazy event um even doing this helps impulsive helps because i can i can really express myself
00:30:47.100and and be curious and do my best to move on to that next step um but yeah if i'm gonna take a
00:30:55.900break he said six months you said two years like if i'm gonna take a proper break 15 minutes and
00:30:59.800you're it's just hard dude like if i needed to do it it would have to be like a year or two years
00:31:04.240which i just don't want to do because i would literally be so unhappy really actually unhappy
00:31:08.260yeah even if i am making making content if i did it would be for music i would take a six-month
00:31:15.980hiatus to just make an album or two and come back and be like yo i'm here so humor me it like i'm
00:31:26.440hearing a lot about like me me my turn me i right and it i guess the the thing that i i was
00:31:35.500suggesting is that the the the look in your break is really about like where where where am i in
00:31:43.180relation to others right where am i how am i falling in relation to others because like i
00:31:49.580think one of the reasons you got the moniker controversial youtube star was because it was
00:31:54.600like all these other people were affected by the video and it was like in terms of a pivot point
00:32:05.040for someone who is in a crash and burn trajectory to then flip it to what i know him to be now
00:32:11.000yeah which is a very very grounded strong continuing to better himself day after day
00:32:19.560And starting to now find that very, very sincere empathy and empathy for others that can then create something that helps those people and groups of those people through whether mental health awareness or suicide or whatever, or whatever he decides to do because he's got a ton of things on the plate.
00:32:39.580It was – it touched him in a way that I don't think anyone watching or listening to this can ever understand.
00:32:46.040I don't think he's taking that away from Logan.
00:32:48.980i think what he's saying is to just be conscious of the impact yeah and i think that that to me
00:32:55.340what i see just from being here along this whole journey is that this show and what we're doing on
00:33:01.860our own accord not in control of what you're putting out like what you put out doesn't affect
00:33:07.200us right in all reality it doesn't and if you think it does it's not true because it's going
00:33:12.240out and yeah some people are thinking a certain way but at the end of the day that doesn't give
00:33:17.600anybody else power over what we all do right and what you do so the process that takes place in
00:33:24.360that narrative i think when you when you say you have that vendetta you have that something out
00:33:29.480that's pointless i think that needs to get dropped i know because i'm what i'm sort of joking i'm it's
00:33:35.160like a five percent feeling i had it more in the like the middle of the year when i was like
00:33:38.680tweeting back at like crystalia and shit and i was just like an angry kid i'm sort of joking it's
00:33:42.540just like it is refreshing and nice you guys are the first publication that has uh put me on camera0.93
00:33:46.860i believe i may have done one like but like yeah um but it's what he's saying is this like what
00:33:53.620you're getting at this is a perfect opportunity for you to continually reflect for sure back and
00:33:58.580improve you know i have those steps i was like not a slight problem you're very well spoken mike0.95
00:34:03.000and i love you you know i love you i personally i i just have like a problem my boy jerking me off
00:34:09.040like tell me like oh he's done this and again thank you but i think as you know you know as
00:34:13.220well as i do it's up to me now after you know we cut and every day here on yeah forward to continue
00:34:19.300being better which is always like at the end of the day that's what it comes down to at the end
00:34:23.280of the day that's what it comes down to and at the end of the day it that's that at the end of the
00:34:27.740day it comes down to that and and the point that i was trying to make or hoping to to um hit on in
00:34:34.760portions of our our conversation was i wanted to see like if that's even something you thought
00:34:39.020right like i even i wanted to see if that was like if you were responding to pressure to respond to
00:34:45.420that situation or if you were actually reflecting on that situation you know what i mean that the
00:34:52.280question to you was like what has been the most poignant lesson for you in this last year and i0.99
00:34:58.280thought that what you said about slowing down was yeah it was like the realest shit you've said0.90
00:35:03.400to be perfectly honest with you do you know what i'm saying because it was like i can so get i can0.96
00:35:10.780so understand how you get in this machine of content content content content got to turn out
00:35:16.280got to turn out got to turn out also because of that's what you do that's what you love that's how
00:35:20.280you operate that's how you think but also that's how we've come to know you so then you have a pace
00:35:26.080to keep up. And then I can also understand making really bad choices and then, and not knowing it's
00:35:34.280a really bad choice until you're smacked in the face with it. Right. And at some point you just
00:35:40.120have to say like, I'm sorry. And I'm sorry in a way that I now can't control how you feel about
00:35:47.500that. I can't control what you do with that. I can only control me. And so that's what I'm saying
00:35:53.660to you like you got to let controversial youtube star honestly you got to let that go because that
00:36:00.420that won't change until you change it yeah yeah and and again it's like i'm and it like it's not
00:36:08.920going to take a couple checks and i'm i don't i swear i do not mean to minimize or to snapshot
00:36:14.100your your work afterwards skin dog but like i'm it's it's going to take more than 365 days and
00:36:20.660and several hundred thousand dollars or millions of dollars and donations.
00:36:24.920And I'm sorry, it's going to take more than that to show.
00:36:28.200And so you just got to kind of roll with that.
00:44:27.240But when I said, yo, I want to do like videos.0.73
00:44:29.800what the fuck how you make money doing that youtube was just getting started no no one
00:44:34.720thought i could do it we were i didn't think i could do it when youtube came out we were using0.98
00:44:38.800it solely to watch reruns of martin yes yes like that was the only reason there was no such thing
00:44:45.500as creator but my mom thank god mom i love you bought me a video camera it was as simple as that
00:44:51.500foster the belief at a young age and then you're you can become like the thing you want to become
00:44:58.080instead of working like a nine-to-five job and feeling trapped every day.
00:45:01.200Building on that too, there's 75% of kids 6 through 17 want to be a YouTuber.
00:45:07.140And I hear so many parents that are like, oh, no, like, you know,
00:45:10.540what's the chance of my kid or the kids themselves not believing in themselves.
00:45:14.940What I think is cool is it's beautiful that we know 75% of those kids want that.
00:45:21.880So what we should do instead of telling them, no, that's tough to make it there
00:45:26.080or you realize what you're gonna have to do that is a perfect outlet to now build that passion
00:45:33.500whether or not they end up becoming a youtuber yeah you you have a vehicle that they are passionate
00:45:38.540about can you something they want to do our approach was instead of it's so like you have
00:45:43.340these two you have kids who are like i want to be i want to be an nba player right and you the first
00:45:48.760thing you as an adult think oh statistically this is like not gonna happen right so but instead of
00:45:53.480saying yeah nah maybe pick maybe pick something else we took you to the pacers and we showed you
00:45:59.940all of these other gigs that help make the nba work like mc exactly maybe it's mc that's super
00:46:10.440cool maybe it's like uh game operations maybe it's publicity maybe it's uh coaching maybe you
00:46:16.380all of these other avenues work on your basketball game but if you're like 17 and have played
00:46:23.880three games of basketball and you're five foot two and you're five two like have a backup plan
00:46:28.960question saw you on the other side of the camera yeah as a party goer yeah on power uh-huh do you
00:46:35.660like that i loved it yeah i mean i loved power is like just like you know what i mean come on
00:46:41.220like one of the best shows it's like one of the best shows on tv and so i was watching that show
00:46:45.560Okay, I'm going to give you, this is, I mean, it's not really a funny story, but it's just an interesting story.
00:46:49.620So my Uncle Scott, man I'm named after, when I left Purdue to move to L.A., he told me, so when you get back, you're going to need to be famous.
01:05:19.500you're not incurable you're not broken you're having a normal human experience and we have
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01:05:45.280Listen to Free Therapy with Ben and Kevin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
01:05:51.200Do you love golf? If so, you should listen to Three Putt Bogey.
01:05:55.300I'm Chuck Bryant from the Stuff You Should Know podcast.
01:05:57.620And I'm Adam Pranica from a couple of embarrassing hit Star Trek podcasts.
01:06:01.480And each week on Three Putt Bogey, we're going to get into the bunker and get to the bottom of what is just so alluring and frustrating about the most beautiful game in the world.
01:06:10.100So whether you're someone who pipes it on the driving range, but freezes up on the tee box.
01:06:14.320or misses that three-foot putt when everything's on the line.
01:06:17.420We're there to laugh about it with you on 3-Put Bogey,
01:06:20.360a podcast about two mid-handicappers, one great shot,
01:06:23.560and the three-putt that spoils it all.
01:06:25.700You can listen to it now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
01:06:34.540There are thousands of podcasts that can tell you how to better yourself.
01:06:39.220Get Worse with Kyle Pru is not one of those podcasts.
01:06:42.100So if you're interested in getting thinner, going to therapy, starting peptides, setting boundaries, taking supplements, making your better, getting closure, then I would humbly recommend other podcasts.
01:06:51.620If you're interested in blackmail, love bombing, cloning yourself, or getting revenge, then we've got a little something something for a dastardly individual like you.
01:06:59.920Listen to Get Worse with Kyle Pru on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.0.91