Impaulsive with Logan Paul - Neil deGrasse Tyson & Logan Paul Debate God’s Existence, Why Elon Cant Go to Mars, Exposes Moon Hoax

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00:00:28.460 the sexiest astrophysicist alive neil degrasse tyson yeah are there aliens and are they going

00:00:35.280 to probe us how big is your ego that you think aliens want to look up your

00:00:38.180 can biblical explanations of the universe and scientific explanations of the universe both be

00:00:44.100 true the history of that exercise has not boded well for the bible did the moon landing happen

00:00:48.300 where do you think those rockets were going to the piggly wiggly down the street i heard you say

00:00:52.500 there's a zero percent chance we're going to get to another planet in this lifetime we are very

00:00:56.340 geopolitically reactive.

00:00:57.920 If China says they want to put military bases on Mars,

00:01:00.360 we're going to Mars in 10 months.

00:01:01.400 AI will transform the internet

00:01:02.840 into a cesspool of fake everything.

00:01:06.520 Dude, Stephen Hawking's been active lately.

00:01:08.300 You seen all the, like, kickflips

00:01:09.580 and half-pipe s*** he's been doing?

00:01:11.160 I want to die falling into a black hole,

00:01:13.400 reporting back my findings.

00:01:14.960 You're going to get spaghettified.

00:01:15.920 I'm a fusilli instead of...

00:01:17.860 Wow.

00:01:18.820 Generate an image based on what the future will look like.

00:01:20.820 There'll be total nuclear holocaust.

00:01:23.200 No, please.

00:01:25.280 You got to tell me what 3i atlas is.

00:01:27.740 I don't know what I'm looking at.

00:01:29.820 It's doing things I don't understand.

00:01:32.080 Therefore, it must be aliens.

00:01:33.740 Wow.

00:01:44.960 And now.

00:01:46.040 Yeah.

00:01:47.200 Yo, you have a great voice.

00:01:48.860 Oh, no, I don't think of, no, my regular voice, I don't think about,

00:01:51.700 but when I put on a voice, then I know I got a voice.

00:01:53.460 welcome to the universe see i could do that wow that's like the planetarium that's the voice

00:01:59.460 coming out of the sky it can't be pipsqueak high squeaky yeah it doesn't work yeah like sky voices

00:02:05.940 have to be like a morgan freeman sky voices is amazing no man you you got a great voiceover

00:02:14.160 voice you're just all around great neil like bro i'll just say it you're our dream guest dude

00:02:21.160 what yeah you're our dream guest yeah i saw you again you had some guests you had some guests

00:02:27.420 yeah but dude i'm a nerd like i geek out listening to you many people in the public eye

00:02:33.640 who have other identities there's a secret geek underbelly that they have geek underbelly and just

00:02:39.640 i love that in the right moment in the right situation then they just geek out yeah it's

00:02:47.560 like tell me about like black holes yeah big bang and is there god and is there and all the questions

00:02:52.260 just flow and as an educator that is joy that's pure joy prepare for joy dude i'm so excited i

00:03:01.380 want to get into all that i gotta go we'll go bring it on okay okay okay it's it's an honor

00:03:06.460 to say we have the sexiest astrophysicist alive in the room ladies and gentlemen that was 45 pounds

00:03:12.700 ago just to be clear no no you're still sexy ladies and gentlemen it's neil the grass tyson

00:03:18.300 yeah all right dude and again just it was it might have been 50 pounds ago it was in the year 2000

00:03:25.480 it was people magazine and i didn't know at the time i mean i figured it out of course that their

00:03:30.540 sexiest man alive issue has other sexiest men alive but in categories yeah was whoever's on

00:03:36.080 the cover transcends category so my year it was brad pitt no category necessary but i was in the

00:03:43.400 category sexiest astrophysicist then i thought about it and i said who did i beat who's the

00:03:49.220 competition what's the competition like stephen hawking i got that if that's what it is but

00:03:54.340 otherwise yeah you know so i don't it doesn't go to my head or anything dude stephen hawking's

00:03:58.580 been active lately you've seen all the like kickflips and half pipe shit he's been doing

00:04:02.040 on Soros.

00:04:05.720 Yeah, do you know what I'm talking about?

00:04:07.340 Yeah, yeah, no.

00:04:08.480 I've seen him do a high dive jump.

00:04:10.140 AI will transform the internet

00:04:14.060 into a cesspool of fake everything.

00:04:18.860 I predicted the future, you ready?

00:04:20.520 Here it is, that AI will be so good

00:04:23.060 at making deep fakes

00:04:24.080 that people who used to believe fake news

00:04:26.940 will no longer believe that their fake news is real.

00:04:31.040 Oh my God.

00:04:32.040 The pendulum will swing back.

00:04:35.820 If the people who believed, like with the Pizzagate, right?

00:04:40.360 This guy went to the pizza place because he saw it on the internet, okay?

00:04:45.160 If the people who believed fake news no longer believed the fake news because they think the fake news might be faked.

00:04:54.760 Wow.

00:04:55.860 Stay with me.

00:04:56.740 It sounds like a quandary.

00:04:58.100 that it means that the value of the internet

00:05:01.760 as a source of objective truths

00:05:03.660 collapses practically overnight.

00:05:06.700 And we'll have to resort to like cat videos,

00:05:09.480 which is what it used to be,

00:05:10.900 or just actual people for their own expertise

00:05:13.580 and not something presented to you

00:05:15.420 by someone who relies on clickbait.

00:05:17.360 Do you think that that could lead to the return

00:05:19.480 of a more organic and traditional way of communication?

00:05:23.080 Yes, yes.

00:05:24.060 Like talking to one another,

00:05:25.760 like reading a book.

00:05:28.100 Books have much higher thresholds of entry into our sort of landscape of information than posting a video.

00:05:38.920 So even though there's some books that are completely wrong, the fraction of those for which that's true is much lower than what you're going to find on the internet.

00:05:46.700 I don't even trust AI when it's just getting information.

00:05:49.280 It's not that I don't trust it.

00:05:50.380 When I know something and I AI it, it's 85%, right?

00:05:55.020 Yeah.

00:05:55.920 Right now, though.

00:05:57.080 Let's see what happens.

00:05:58.100 Okay, well, they're large language models.

00:06:00.040 And so what's happening is,

00:06:01.660 if there happens to be a lot of people,

00:06:03.140 so it doesn't really know what it's telling you,

00:06:05.540 it's just assembling words that have appeared together

00:06:08.380 in other people's writings.

00:06:09.860 And if other people don't understand something,

00:06:12.640 yet they write about it, it fucks with AI.

00:06:15.720 And AI is because it's deriving

00:06:17.680 its knowledge, wisdom, and insight from us.

00:06:20.300 And as an academic, I'm a source of information.

00:06:24.080 I've written 18 nonfiction books

00:06:26.340 and that's been ingested by AI.

00:06:28.600 I'd like to think for the better,

00:06:30.340 but there's a lot of other stuff that it pulls in,

00:06:32.480 and so all I'm saying, yeah, AI will get better,

00:06:36.040 it's gotten better with its illustrations

00:06:37.860 and the videos and all, I get it, I get it.

00:06:40.520 And I'm all for what computers can do,

00:06:42.840 but we need to know what you're walking into,

00:06:46.700 know what you're stepping in.

00:06:48.300 I like that, I wanna ask you kind of a fun question

00:06:51.740 to start with, talking about AI and the future

00:06:54.900 where we're headed um you're obviously this super knowledgeable person and i i i think uh well i'm

00:07:00.640 knowledgeable about what i know yeah a whole lot of stuff i don't know anything about i i really

00:07:04.320 respect i really respect you saying that um because i feel like it takes an intelligent

00:07:09.780 person to then also admit what they don't know oh yeah well no it's just it's because the knowledge

00:07:15.980 you have is not part of your ego it's just part of your resources that you draw from when you make

00:07:21.360 decisions and you think about stuff and you solve problems well you got a lot of resources in that

00:07:25.480 brain years and so i wanted to ask you sure and show you actually okay this is a picture that was

00:07:32.320 drawn in the 1930s of someone predicting what the future would look like tell me what you tell me

00:07:38.260 tell me kind of what you see

00:07:39.280 i love it oh so these are it's like devices like this yes oh yeah i love it them predicting

00:07:49.020 facetime in the future i love it okay so i'm actually curious by the way was that uh you know

00:07:55.500 dick tracy had a two-way was that just voice or was it also a picture of who was there

00:08:01.080 that was on his wrist that was there was a picture yeah because i remember seeing it was like wow

00:08:06.960 yeah it's it's it's it's like describing facetime someone drew facetime in the 1930s there and and

00:08:14.020 there was a you had it on your ears you had a uh handheld i love it i love people thinking about

00:08:18.840 the future, there's another one around that time,

00:08:20.620 no, there's one at the turn of the previous century

00:08:23.520 when everyone starts thinking about the future.

00:08:25.120 And one of them imagined, well that's good,

00:08:28.420 there are other ones where you can see they're stuck

00:08:31.420 in what they know and they're just trying to project it

00:08:34.240 in the future, they're not aware that things can come in

00:08:37.760 from the side and influence whether that prediction

00:08:40.900 will come true, for example.

00:08:43.320 So in 1900, steamships were crossing the oceans,

00:08:47.700 Railroads were crossing.

00:08:49.180 We didn't have a car yet, okay?

00:08:50.720 Not a commercially affordable car.

00:08:54.080 So steamships and railroads.

00:08:55.180 So there's a picture of a steamship sailing right onto the shore,

00:09:00.720 and it has railroad wheels that pop out,

00:09:04.400 and then it goes straight onto the railroad tracks.

00:09:06.240 I've seen that before.

00:09:06.880 Whoa, that's cool.

00:09:07.580 Right, right.

00:09:07.980 It's an automatic transition.

00:09:09.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:09.760 Okay.

00:09:10.520 And they're not imagining airplanes or even trucks,

00:09:13.860 because there are no trucks.

00:09:15.120 It was just railways.

00:09:16.460 Yeah.

00:09:16.620 And so it was cute and quaint.

00:09:19.220 And they also imagined motorized walkways

00:09:23.680 where you're on the sidewalk,

00:09:25.580 and depending on what level of the sidewalk you are

00:09:27.360 would go faster or slower.

00:09:28.740 That's really funny.

00:09:29.060 So it's like, you know, like...

00:09:30.620 Airport walkways.

00:09:31.540 Airport walkways.

00:09:33.660 Plastic was not a thing.

00:09:35.020 Rubber was not really a thing yet.

00:09:36.860 So to have a conveyor belt that was rubberized

00:09:40.700 that can return you was not a thing.

00:09:43.020 They had the entire sidewalk on wheels,

00:09:44.860 on like railroad tracks, of course.

00:09:47.320 Everything was on railroad tracks.

00:09:49.440 And we also had dirigibles and blimps that can move you around,

00:09:55.700 lighter than aircraft.

00:09:56.980 Again, the Wright brothers didn't have their plane yet,

00:09:58.740 so it had to be lighter than air.

00:10:00.080 So they imagined everyone would have their personal blimps.

00:10:03.700 It would wrap around under each arm, and then you would just float.

00:10:07.520 I saw this picture.

00:10:08.920 That's another image of people floating on water.

00:10:11.860 Floating, right, right.

00:10:13.340 That's how they started to get around.

00:10:14.520 Take what you know and then try to imagine a future of it.

00:10:17.760 But the real future, that'll get you maybe five years.

00:10:20.440 But 10 years, 20 years, it falls flat.

00:10:23.200 Because you don't know that we're going to have satellites.

00:10:26.360 We have GPS.

00:10:27.300 We have things.

00:10:28.040 You know, your iPhone, that is enabled not by Steve Jobs, who thought it up.

00:10:33.620 It's enabled by thousands of technologies that came together that he decided,

00:10:39.020 I would put all this in one device.

00:10:40.700 So that's the genius of him as a marketing person.

00:10:44.520 and as an idea person, but he didn't think up GPS,

00:10:47.440 he didn't miniaturize storage into solid state,

00:10:50.540 he didn't invent the miniaturized cameras,

00:10:53.200 he didn't invent the miniaturized magnets

00:10:59.140 that are very strong that allow you to have a loud sound

00:11:03.300 out of something that small.

00:11:05.080 You put on that speaker, everyone in this room can hear it.

00:11:07.560 That didn't used to be the case.

00:11:09.280 So little things like that all come in

00:11:11.320 from different places and you need clever people sitting at at a juncture so that they can cross

00:11:17.960 pollinate all those we need you to be that clever person right now right now i want to ask you so

00:11:22.320 knowing what you know yeah can you predict the future and describe it so ai can generate a

00:11:28.060 picture of what it looks like oh how many years a hundred years from now can you describe what

00:11:33.540 okay but i've seen people predict 100 years and they get it all wrong so 50 years from now can

00:11:38.960 Can you describe what the future will look like?

00:11:41.100 I'm thinking not so much what we would look like,

00:11:47.240 but the fact that medicine would be so tailored to your DNA

00:11:51.920 that you would have no side effects at all.

00:11:55.740 They would take a DNA reading, shape the medicine to fit you,

00:11:59.140 bada bing, there's that.

00:12:00.340 I think self-driving electric cars will replace 100%

00:12:04.660 of the automobiles on the road,

00:12:07.020 And that'll happen, I think, way sooner than 50 years.

00:12:10.500 Did you know that in 1910, no, in 1905, there was 50 horse-drawn carriages in the street for every one automobile?

00:12:24.120 Ten years later, there were 50 automobiles for every one horse-drawn carriage.

00:12:28.580 we literally and figuratively built civilization on the backs of horses and you couldn't give away

00:12:34.720 a horse 10 years after the car was introduced neil everything you just said is about to become a

00:12:40.320 i don't know how to do it can you make that into a an image for us

00:12:44.920 no put him in a museum i'm sorry let's start again do over all right ready future yeah yeah

00:12:50.600 just describe the future so my chat can generate an image give it first like a succinct like i got

00:12:55.680 I have to adjust what I do

00:12:59.520 for the sake of the computer.

00:13:02.420 Ready?

00:13:03.100 So you're going to generate an image

00:13:04.660 based on what the future will look like.

00:13:08.600 There'll be

00:13:09.240 total nuclear holocaust.

00:13:12.460 No, please!

00:13:13.620 Let's retribalize it.

00:13:15.820 Bring it back.

00:13:21.080 Wait.

00:13:21.640 all automobiles in the world will be electric self-driving if you wanted to drive your your

00:13:33.060 combustion car because it's a collector's item or a sports car you'd have to go to a car park

00:13:38.460 where there's a track where you can then enjoy your ancient technology in the same way today we

00:13:45.220 We have horse, what do you call it?

00:13:51.660 Horsepower?

00:13:52.500 No.

00:13:54.180 We have stables where you can go and ride horses

00:13:56.720 if that's what you still wanna do

00:13:58.200 as they did 120 years ago.

00:14:01.100 I'd like to believe, because hope springs eternal for me,

00:14:05.280 that the tribalism of the world will evaporate

00:14:08.760 and we will all live happily together.

00:14:11.980 Utopia?

00:14:12.820 Utopia.

00:14:15.780 Absolutely.

00:14:16.720 I have an image based on that vision.

00:14:18.520 So let's imagine a futuristic scene, a large, sleek car park with a dedicated track where people are taking out their vintage combustion engine cars for a nostalgic drive.

00:14:29.260 Meanwhile, the background is full of modern, self-driving electric vehicles gliding effortlessly around a futuristic cityscape.

00:14:36.640 Yeah.

00:14:37.460 Wow.

00:14:38.880 You're just in love with that voice.

00:14:39.880 i will say yeah my voice my voice is pretty sensual um she's got a soft voice bro i don't

00:14:47.400 know what to say i have a wife i'm married i have a wife and i'm married um all right so it's gonna

00:14:51.720 it's gonna generate that but yeah i had to get your take on that oh sure sure shout out to the

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00:17:33.200 We were talking about the Kardashev scale.

00:17:35.200 The Kardashev scale.

00:17:36.080 Kardashev.

00:17:36.440 Sure, sure.

00:17:37.160 Three types of civilizations.

00:17:38.920 Well, there's, yeah, sure.

00:17:41.420 I saw a reason that said seven.

00:17:42.980 You can add more to that.

00:17:44.220 Oh.

00:17:44.400 Yeah.

00:17:44.920 There's a version of me online doing that, which was completely AI'd.

00:17:48.200 What?

00:17:48.580 Yes.

00:17:49.340 It was completely AI'd.

00:17:50.240 And here's how you know it was AI'd, and this will probably be fixed later by a more advanced AI.

00:17:56.620 You know it was AI because when I speak,

00:17:59.720 there are pauses interjected in and among my sentences.

00:18:04.480 These are pedagogical pauses where I say something

00:18:08.860 and I know you need a minute, no not even, a few seconds

00:18:12.160 just to grasp it and absorb it and then I go on.

00:18:15.760 That narration, even though it was matched to my mouth,

00:18:19.000 which the AI generated, it was just run on words.

00:18:22.660 It was like.

00:18:24.140 Well they're gonna humanize the AI.

00:18:26.260 Perhaps, but that was completely AI, and attorneys have spoken to them.

00:18:30.000 I mean, I'm sure we've already been through that multiple times.

00:18:33.260 I had a hair loss clinic that used my stuff and created a whole AI thing about it.

00:18:39.900 Yeah.

00:18:40.460 A what?

00:18:41.660 One of the Cialis or something like that.

00:18:43.620 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:18:44.320 I was on like a—

00:18:45.940 A dick pill.

00:18:46.580 Yeah, a dick pill.

00:18:47.660 And that was all AI?

00:18:48.700 Yeah, so it's getting gnarly.

00:18:50.420 Have you seen my brother?

00:18:51.200 Have you seen AI Jake Paul?

00:18:52.400 No, what do they do with him?

00:18:53.080 You haven't seen gay AI Jake Paul?

00:18:55.120 No, I haven't seen him.

00:18:55.800 dude by the way just in all fairness to the world of parody there's room for parody in here as long

00:19:03.940 as it's completely obvious to 100 of the percent of the people who are watching it's not it's not

00:19:08.160 that's at all at all there's one parody where i was on some of them yeah exactly there's so i i was

00:19:14.900 on on um who's our boy with the with the mullet um theo vaughn see i was on theo vaughn yep and

00:19:20.760 we had a fun conversation he asked you if space was gay or straight yeah he did he did

00:19:24.660 that's that's real that was a real conversation okay and i couldn't believe it i couldn't believe

00:19:32.280 it do you remember my answer i do it was amazing oh thank you you answered like you actually

00:19:36.780 i gave a serious answer to that point is that somebody ai'd that and they babified that

00:19:43.760 conversation so the two toddlers one that looks like me with a mustache

00:19:48.120 looks like a four-year-old toddler and he's there and we're just having that exact conversation

00:19:54.540 in our voices. That's hilarious.

00:19:56.700 Completely hilarious. So you don't

00:19:58.480 chase them down because no one thinks that's

00:20:00.500 real. And if you do, you have other problems.

00:20:02.520 So you are aware... Why are you wearing headphones, dude?

00:20:04.560 I love headphones. Yeah, you are. You make me look

00:20:06.480 official. Excuse me, locked in. I've never

00:20:08.440 not worn them for a single episode. So you can hear my

00:20:10.360 voice right now. It's for little micro expressions

00:20:12.600 when he goes like this. I know

00:20:14.540 he's about to say something, so I stop.

00:20:16.040 When you're about to... I hear it in my headphones.

00:20:18.440 Oh.

00:20:20.020 This is the image that it generated.

00:20:22.640 Is it good? No. Well,

00:20:24.340 Well, it is.

00:20:25.660 Listen, they're at the rec track.

00:20:27.620 The image is on the screen right now.

00:20:29.300 The viewer is seeing it.

00:20:30.120 They're on the rec track.

00:20:31.400 They're driving a little, like it looks like a 50s Corvette around the track, enjoying

00:20:35.240 their day in the back.

00:20:36.080 There's a utopian city.

00:20:37.220 Yes.

00:20:37.560 It did pretty much what you said.

00:20:39.860 Yeah.

00:20:40.800 That's what the future looks like.

00:20:42.540 It looks like a recreational day.

00:20:44.240 Yeah.

00:20:44.520 They're good.

00:20:44.820 And all the other cars are obviously self-driving electric because they all look alike.

00:20:47.940 Yeah.

00:20:48.180 And they're all out there.

00:20:49.080 I like that with the city in the background.

00:20:51.140 It's good.

00:20:52.240 It's good.

00:20:52.540 It's not horrible.

00:20:53.480 I give it a B plus

00:20:54.600 I want to ask you

00:20:57.180 We've listed a lot of pitfalls of AI today

00:20:59.700 And things that's going to do bad for us

00:21:01.320 What benefits do you see

00:21:02.940 And what things do you think it's going to get right

00:21:04.460 The cat's out of the bag

00:21:06.680 Is that the right expression

00:21:07.820 I don't know why the cat was in the bag

00:21:10.180 Who put the cat in the bag

00:21:13.260 First of all

00:21:14.180 He's out now

00:21:14.800 I got one, the snake is out of the bag

00:21:17.640 Because you put snakes in bags

00:21:19.440 Yeah that's so true

00:21:20.540 Also when people say like there's a thousand ways to skin a cat

00:21:23.580 I'm like bro why are we skinning cats

00:21:24.960 Plus you know guitar strings

00:21:27.580 Used to be cat gut

00:21:28.400 Cat gut

00:21:29.820 Maybe that's why you skin a cat

00:21:32.180 Suturing of

00:21:33.140 Medical

00:21:35.280 Cats were highly useful in their day

00:21:39.300 I'm just telling you like it is

00:21:42.600 You could sweep it under the rug

00:21:44.100 But that didn't mean it didn't happen

00:21:45.260 Yeah we used the guts for sutures

00:21:47.000 Cat gut exactly

00:21:47.980 So what was I talking about

00:21:49.700 The true benefits of AI.

00:21:51.660 What industries do you think it's going to really?

00:21:53.240 Mike, science has greatly benefited from AI.

00:21:57.200 And it's been a natural progression from science, especially the physical sciences, fully exploiting what computers would do for us when they finally came out of, like, military installations and other sort of secret.

00:22:11.160 If you can calculate, you know, bomb codes and other yields of nuclear nukes, you know, the government has the big computers first.

00:22:19.280 Then it spilled into science.

00:22:20.920 Then it spilled onto your desktop, all right?

00:22:22.980 That whole time, the scientific community has completely embraced everything a computer can do, including early AI, middle AI, late AI.

00:22:32.280 We have telescopes coming online right now that the data rate delivered is so high, it would be impossible for any combination of people to receive the data, reduce it, analyze it, and then come up with the next suggestion of what to do.

00:22:48.700 AI is analyzing it all.

00:22:50.700 It's called the Vera Rubin Observatory.

00:22:53.220 It's in Chile.

00:22:54.580 It takes a picture of the night sky every, how often?

00:22:57.920 15 minutes of the entire night sky

00:23:00.500 and stitches it together to make a movie.

00:23:04.980 Think about it.

00:23:05.400 When I used to go to the telescopes,

00:23:07.560 back when that was a thing,

00:23:08.940 now we just observe from your desk

00:23:10.400 and somebody else, some other poor suckers

00:23:12.880 at the telescope living nocturnally

00:23:14.860 in the service of your science.

00:23:16.800 But I would go there and get the data and bring it back.

00:23:22.100 And it would be of an image of the sky and I'd analyze it.

00:23:24.640 Suppose something was moving in that image really slowly.

00:23:27.940 I wouldn't know it.

00:23:30.780 It would just look like another star.

00:23:32.740 When they take pictures every 15 minutes, they can find stuff that moves.

00:23:36.400 You know what moves?

00:23:37.720 Asteroids.

00:23:38.940 In the first week that this telescope was on,

00:23:41.740 It discovered 2,000 or 3,000 new uncatalogued, I was going to say undocumented, undocumented.

00:23:51.720 Yes, they're undocumented, but that's not the right word.

00:23:54.440 Uncatalogued asteroids, some of which are Earth crossing, which then you got to keep

00:23:58.900 an eye on because we don't want to have the same fate as the dinosaurs.

00:24:03.020 We got it on that topic.

00:24:05.800 You got to tell me what 3i Atlas is.

00:24:07.940 the asteroid moving through space

00:24:10.560 with weird characteristics

00:24:12.040 and a different trajectory it's speeding up

00:24:14.280 it's slowing down it has a tail in front of it

00:24:16.660 right it's got

00:24:18.060 it's weird like ice is melting off

00:24:20.600 tell me what it is because some people are saying

00:24:22.540 it's alien

00:24:23.020 there are people who are

00:24:26.700 alien adjacent

00:24:27.980 out there who if there's

00:24:30.600 something that we don't understand

00:24:32.060 alien

00:24:33.480 so these are the

00:24:36.060 You know, philosophers used to call this God of the gaps,

00:24:41.060 where there's something we don't understand

00:24:42.860 about the universe, well that's God.

00:24:44.260 Dark matter, dark energy, before the birth of the universe,

00:24:48.360 God must be there.

00:24:49.640 They call it God of the gaps,

00:24:50.640 where you put God where science has yet to tread.

00:24:52.860 Well in modern times, where there's less God talk,

00:24:56.500 aliens have kind of substituted in that role.

00:24:59.940 So God of the gaps has the alliteration with the two G's.

00:25:03.360 Like, you know, aliens of the gaps doesn't sound as good,

00:25:06.500 so I'd say aliens of our ignorance.

00:25:08.860 Oh, wow.

00:25:09.540 That's what I would call it.

00:25:10.860 So I'm happy to think about mysterious features

00:25:15.920 of this visitor to our solar system, 3IATLAS.

00:25:19.880 ATLAS is an acronym of the name of the observing program

00:25:22.800 that discovered it.

00:25:23.980 By the way, there's only three of these ever known.

00:25:26.840 Yep.

00:25:27.240 That came from interstellar space.

00:25:29.340 Interstellar space, and that's why it has the number three in front.

00:25:32.220 Oh.

00:25:32.440 that's where the three come and the I

00:25:34.700 stands for interstellar so third

00:25:36.620 interstellar object discovered

00:25:37.960 by this system called

00:25:40.700 Atlas for layman's out there interstellar means

00:25:42.840 between the stars

00:25:44.800 outside of our solar system

00:25:46.340 no that's one of the

00:25:47.300 in my field we call it like it is

00:25:50.440 Jupiter has a big red spot

00:25:52.840 on it we call it Jupiter's red spot

00:25:54.980 okay yeah yeah yeah

00:25:56.700 stuff comes from interstellar

00:25:58.940 space it comes from

00:26:00.720 between the stars

00:26:02.600 We have very transparent vocabulary.

00:26:05.000 Don't overthink it.

00:26:06.000 Got it.

00:26:06.420 Yeah.

00:26:06.680 So yes, it means it comes from outside our solar system, which means it's not bound gravitationally

00:26:12.160 to the sun.

00:26:13.020 And you can know that immediately by how fast it's going.

00:26:15.300 It's going to come through and exit the other side.

00:26:18.320 All right?

00:26:18.680 And so we knew this about all three interstellar objects.

00:26:21.840 And each one had peculiar properties.

00:26:24.200 Fine.

00:26:25.260 Everything we know and understand about space matter is in our own solar system.

00:26:31.260 The moons, the comets, the planets, the asteroids, the meteors, the meteorites.

00:26:38.200 It all comes from our own backyard.

00:26:40.760 So now something's coming from somewhere else.

00:26:42.680 I'm not surprised it has properties we've never seen before.

00:26:45.720 But as a scientist, does what we know about our current solar system,

00:26:51.200 does that directionally lead you to believe what we know about areas outside of it?

00:26:55.280 It's the urge to think so.

00:26:58.060 We don't want to think we're special or different.

00:26:59.760 we want to we it's it's an urge it's a bias i'll even call it that that everything we discover in

00:27:05.220 our backyard is representative of things elsewhere in the universe would that be right would that be

00:27:10.900 racist or potentially spacist to assume to assume that everything is like a racist yeah

00:27:18.540 is that space is this the first case of spacism

00:27:22.160 No, but maybe tribalism

00:27:25.460 Yeah, okay, okay

00:27:26.700 Solar system tribalism

00:27:28.280 There's us, and if you're not us, you're not with us

00:27:31.640 You're against us, you're aliens

00:27:33.400 So, yeah, maybe it's drawn from that same place within us

00:27:39.620 Imagine we get cancelled by some alien civilization

00:27:42.320 It's the otherness of things that

00:27:45.860 In the slightest way, don't look like you

00:27:49.260 yeah right and so the urge is to categorize it in some other way rather than to say here's the

00:27:56.020 parts of you that do look like us join us and then we can learn more together so all i'm saying is

00:28:02.680 just because you don't understand what you're looking at it doesn't mean it's aliens that's all

00:28:09.180 it just means that it's a reason we don't know what it is yet but does that not heavily excite

00:28:14.100 you yes it excites every scientist yeah we because as the area of our knowledge grows

00:28:22.820 so too does the perimeter of our ignorance yeah so science is this endless frontier

00:28:32.800 that oh the sun is coming in yeah he just works on that we good he's an expert we're always good

00:28:39.220 I don't have a glow

00:28:41.260 no you should have a glow

00:28:43.280 I feel like I probably have a glow

00:28:44.780 you want a glow

00:28:47.240 yeah I can use a glow

00:28:48.780 so yeah this is

00:28:51.300 when people see lights in the sky

00:28:52.700 doing weird things

00:28:54.320 here's how the sentence unfold

00:28:56.740 I don't know what I'm looking at

00:28:59.560 it's doing things I don't

00:29:01.340 understand

00:29:01.940 therefore it must be aliens

00:29:04.640 you just said you don't know what you're looking at

00:29:07.180 you just said that

00:29:08.440 Well, give me some-

00:29:09.280 Therefore, nothing.

00:29:10.680 Give me some counter-

00:29:11.500 No, no, there's no-

00:29:12.560 There's a German poet, Rainer and Maria Rilke,

00:29:18.000 and there's a longer,

00:29:20.500 there's sentences leading up to this,

00:29:21.880 but I remember this one,

00:29:23.000 which says,

00:29:23.740 learn to love the questions themselves.

00:29:27.380 Be at peace with all that puzzles you in your heart.

00:29:30.920 Learn to love the questions themselves.

00:29:32.960 Because if you have to have an answer every single time,

00:29:36.220 you're gonna end up making shit up.

00:29:37.620 And you're going to come up with the most exotic explanation possible.

00:29:43.460 It's clickbait.

00:29:44.560 But the history of that exercise is that it has never been magic.

00:29:48.800 It has never been mystery.

00:29:50.400 We have solved it using known physical laws.

00:29:53.060 Or the phenomenon is so interesting, we discover a new physical law.

00:29:57.600 But it still doesn't make it aliens or God or some divine intervention that's violating known laws of physics.

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00:33:01.220 i don't even know there's this thing is d no no no i mean like i didn't get on the c list like i'm

00:33:06.460 not even average i'm not even passing i'm failing listen to no safe words with october and tony

00:33:10.920 gonzalez part of my culture podcast network available on the iheart radio app apple podcast

00:33:17.240 or wherever you get your podcast so at the beginning of this podcast i i made a comment

00:33:23.460 about how uh a sign of intelligence i think is the willingness and ability of someone to admit

00:33:29.820 that they don't know I think I think saying like I don't know actually is um admirable especially if

00:33:35.680 you you don't know and you don't have the answers let me make that more precise okay I agree with

00:33:41.100 you I agree with you because there's too many people running out there running around out there

00:33:44.600 who are certain of everything they believe yeah and and will harm other people who don't agree

00:33:52.200 with them this so it the odd thing to me is the less evidence you history shows the less evidence

00:34:01.320 you have in support of your belief system the more likely you are to go to war over what that

00:34:07.780 belief system represents you won't find legions of scientists taking a hill because other scientists

00:34:14.000 no equals mc cubed no we think equals mc squared yeah this is not how that works okay so so

00:34:21.980 So when you have evidence in support of something,

00:34:25.220 your opinions no longer matter

00:34:27.340 because it's an objective truth established

00:34:30.160 by the methods and tools of science.

00:34:32.560 Now, about not knowing,

00:34:33.640 let me just make that a little more precise.

00:34:35.420 It's fully resonant, but I wanna be precise.

00:34:41.460 Whatever I think is true or not true

00:34:45.540 is in proportion to the strength

00:34:49.400 which I think something is true or not true.

00:34:51.780 with the intensity, is in proportion to the evidence

00:34:55.560 that exists in support or in denial of the thing.

00:35:00.860 Damn, you must hate the internet.

00:35:02.200 I know.

00:35:02.920 Oh, man, dude.

00:35:03.740 So what that means is, do I think monkeys can fly?

00:35:10.280 I'd say, well, other than in the film, The Wizard of Oz,

00:35:13.480 and I would hope AI can distinguish

00:35:16.320 that that's children's fiction from reality,

00:35:20.160 even though they both sit side by side on the internet uh it's not going to say well in some

00:35:24.060 places such as oz yeah monkeys have been known to fly and if you didn't know anything about oz

00:35:28.620 you would think that's a real place somewhere in like indonesia yeah in the monkey forest right

00:35:32.940 so so i i i would say i've yet to see evidence in support of that so i find it highly unlikely

00:35:39.840 i won't say it's impossible i won't say so so that's how you really should approach things

00:35:44.820 dude it's a really mature way to approach things

00:35:47.280 and I think people

00:35:48.040 that unknowing is really

00:35:51.660 uncomfortable for some people

00:35:53.300 and so they assign an explanation

00:35:55.820 well it's ego dystonic too

00:35:57.260 you said ego dystonic

00:36:00.380 I literally was like

00:36:01.280 that's a crazy thing you just said

00:36:02.660 I wasn't the only one

00:36:05.060 dystonic

00:36:05.620 can you check it

00:36:08.200 no one in this room but you has heard of that word

00:36:10.980 it doesn't mean it's not a word

00:36:12.440 I'm just saying you are not communicating

00:36:14.600 if you choose to use words that no one in your presence

00:36:17.500 has heard or understand.

00:36:19.720 Wow, he called you too smart in a really crazy way.

00:36:23.740 I'm a best-selling author, as are you, correct?

00:36:26.420 And you have your book here.

00:36:27.600 Oh, yeah, oh, thank you.

00:36:28.400 Did the word end up being a thing?

00:36:30.700 The prime.

00:36:31.620 Bro, how do I have one bar on the 52nd floor

00:36:35.860 in the middle of New York City?

00:36:37.200 I can't even look up defined dystonic.

00:36:40.820 Ego dystonic refers to thoughts, behaviors, attitudes

00:36:43.440 that are inconsistent with a person's fundamental beliefs

00:36:45.580 and values. This guy did it. Causing

00:36:47.440 distress. He did it.

00:36:49.560 Thank you for defining

00:36:51.440 the word that you used in your sentence. Sorry about that.

00:36:53.760 Sorry. Hey, by the way,

00:36:55.180 Neil, you use a lot of words that I don't...

00:36:57.420 No, no, I try not to. I try not to.

00:36:59.500 So two books ago, I

00:37:01.180 invented seven...

00:37:03.160 Just two books ago.

00:37:05.020 You've written so many books. Yeah, yeah, sorry.

00:37:06.900 18 books. I didn't mean it came out that way. That wasn't

00:37:09.080 my intent. No. Two books ago,

00:37:11.680 in that book, I invented

00:37:13.300 seven words, but knowingly, because the sentence

00:37:17.360 needed the word, and the word did not exist.

00:37:20.820 Where do you think any word ever came from?

00:37:22.860 Somebody needed a word, and they came up with it.

00:37:26.600 But the words were not chosen to be obscure,

00:37:29.800 to show offy, and now you gotta go look it up.

00:37:32.700 No, the meaning was completely clear.

00:37:35.740 Can I tell you what it was?

00:37:37.040 One of the words, just describing what happens

00:37:39.380 if you had a time machine, and if you have a time machine,

00:37:42.300 and you say, I gotta go back to tomorrow, all right?

00:37:44.600 Because I made a mistake.

00:37:46.060 If you go back to tomorrow and that's all you did,

00:37:49.080 you would land in empty space

00:37:53.580 because Earth has moved since yesterday.

00:37:55.980 Oh.

00:37:56.820 So every time machine has to also be a space machine.

00:38:01.820 It has to be a space time machine

00:38:03.960 so that you go back in time and space

00:38:07.120 to get back to the location

00:38:09.060 which is the incident you want to relive.

00:38:13.100 So I describe the time machine

00:38:16.460 as taking you everywhere and every when.

00:38:22.860 Wow, every when is a new word.

00:38:25.300 That's one word, every when.

00:38:27.300 Because everywhere is a word, why not every when?

00:38:29.660 Has it been added to?

00:38:31.300 I don't care, because I need it and use it.

00:38:33.360 But I do have a word in the Oxford English Dictionary

00:38:36.100 that was lifted up to that.

00:38:37.140 What is it?

00:38:37.900 Manhattan Henge. What does that mean?

00:38:39.980 That's when the sun sets

00:38:41.680 two days a year exactly

00:38:43.400 on the grid. Oh, yeah, and they take pictures.

00:38:45.880 Everybody, thousands of people. When I first

00:38:47.840 did it, nobody was in the street except for me

00:38:49.500 risking my life in the middle of traffic.

00:38:51.520 You discovered that? Yes! Shut up. No, it's always

00:38:53.840 been there, but no one thought about it. Yeah, right, right.

00:38:55.780 I didn't arrange Manhattan

00:38:57.880 to make this thing. Yeah, you noticed that they line

00:39:00.060 up between the two buildings. Yes, I noticed it.

00:39:01.740 It lines up on all the cross

00:39:03.820 streets that go completely through. But I took

00:39:05.740 a picture, I published that, and I said

00:39:07.820 this happens twice a year check it out we published the times so it started just a few hundred people

00:39:13.700 now tens of thousands of people crowd the streets the police have to and finally traffic is blocked

00:39:18.980 in new york city for reasons other than con ed digging holes or police activity for a cosmic

00:39:24.320 event let the traffic stop for the cosmos we're talking about intensity of evidence and how it

00:39:31.980 leads you to believe things are true or not intensity of belief relative to the strength

00:39:35.940 of evidence correct what is your strength of evidence for something like i don't know aliens

00:39:40.760 are there aliens do they exist are we going to be visited and are they going to anally probe us

00:39:46.480 just be honest dude tell us right now we want to know um how big is your ego that you think aliens

00:39:50.660 want to look up your butt that's that's ego dystonic just just pause and think that one

00:39:57.660 through it wasn't it a south park who's someone created the anal probes it wasn't me it you are

00:40:04.040 making sense i think i think that that started like like do you have do you have opinions about

00:40:08.660 cattle mutilations and like and like some of the weird like abduction stories where yeah so here's

00:40:13.420 the thing people say they got probed here's the thing here's the thing uh the crop circles and

00:40:19.380 the and the cattle mutilations they're very popular in like the 60s and 70s uh let me remind

00:40:25.920 you something i mean i'm the oldest one in the room here okay when i grew up which includes those

00:40:31.320 errors uh you were photographed twice a year once for the school picture the other when your family

00:40:40.560 went on vacation only two people carry cameras journalists and tourists so nobody was photographing

00:40:48.420 anything ever okay there were no security cameras no yeah for fort knox but not for the street or

00:40:57.320 your backyard or your front porch so all of those alien activities report all those activities

00:41:05.340 reported as alien uh mischief yeah no one has any footage of them doing it so either they're just

00:41:13.220 really shy aliens or humans did it under the cover of night because in modern times when we could be

00:41:24.100 filming such things no the the frequency of these events have drops have dropped especially since

00:41:31.160 you just stick a camera out there and find it if you have footage of a flying saucer landing

00:41:35.840 you'll be famous and rich overnight so where is that footage i don't it doesn't exist and

00:41:41.420 and older cars had hubcaps that you tapped onto the wheel okay now the wheel is is made pretty

00:41:48.860 so you don't have to add hubcaps.

00:41:50.480 If you had potholes,

00:41:54.580 your hubcap would pop off

00:41:56.120 and you wouldn't know

00:41:56.860 because it popped off while you hit the...

00:41:59.300 So along the freeway,

00:42:01.000 there were like hubcaps.

00:42:04.700 Take a look at how many photos

00:42:06.440 of flying saucers were alongside freeways

00:42:09.400 back in the 1950s and 60s.

00:42:11.460 Just hubcaps flying off cars.

00:42:13.760 That's great.

00:42:14.480 That is insane.

00:42:15.600 That is stuff.

00:42:16.280 You're saying the flying saucers were hubcaps.

00:42:17.900 take a look at those hubcaps

00:42:20.680 they were really good looking flying saucers

00:42:23.140 so the point is

00:42:25.200 there are 6

00:42:26.620 billion

00:42:27.740 smartphones in the world today

00:42:30.240 there are 4 billion

00:42:33.040 photos, high resolution

00:42:35.080 photos, uplifted

00:42:36.900 uploaded to the internet

00:42:39.140 daily, as well as a

00:42:40.960 million hours

00:42:42.380 of video

00:42:43.480 where are the aliens?

00:42:46.780 All the abduction stories went away.

00:42:50.020 Because we would say, we know you had a smartphone.

00:42:52.320 Did you film them walking towards you?

00:42:53.940 Did you drift?

00:42:54.540 No.

00:42:55.040 Well, they take place when people are sleeping normally.

00:42:58.260 Okay, so that's another thing.

00:42:59.820 Go back 200 years.

00:43:01.680 Do you know about incubuses and succubuses?

00:43:03.600 Yeah.

00:43:04.260 Okay.

00:43:05.000 You know about, okay.

00:43:05.640 These are demons that invade your bed at night.

00:43:09.300 And the incubuses were male demons that would give otherwise chaste women these horny thoughts so that in the morning they had something to blame it on that was not under their own sort of initiatives.

00:43:29.120 The man, it was the succubus, okay, that would invade your – and you'd have wet dreams and all this.

00:43:35.960 Have you ever been to Miami?

00:43:37.120 They're just called Latinas.

00:43:39.300 dude. Suck it, they still exist,

00:43:41.460 man. Trust me, man.

00:43:44.080 So,

00:43:44.660 so,

00:43:45.240 so,

00:43:46.580 so these overnight

00:43:48.800 sexual fantasies where

00:43:51.060 someone is, you know, probing your organs

00:43:53.080 is, that happens in a half,

00:43:55.820 a state of half sleep, half

00:43:57.160 awake, that's just been

00:43:58.760 ported to aliens. Tucker Carlson said

00:44:01.180 he got mauled by a demon in his sleep.

00:44:04.420 I'm glad he's

00:44:05.180 still alive after it. Yeah, he said he has

00:44:07.040 markings on his body. Oh, that would mean

00:44:08.940 him mauling himself oh right for sure um sure so what next time if this happens so either demons

00:44:14.640 actually did this to him or he did it to himself set up your freaking camera you can put it on

00:44:20.220 on time lapse i do in the whole night in your in your own room though because look dude neil some

00:44:25.420 of the cattle mutilation stories are really odd yes i i don't have a problem with that just give

00:44:32.420 me better evidence than your eyewitness he's using his intensity of evidence argument very well here

00:44:36.940 which is like, why is there nothing?

00:44:38.520 For example, in science,

00:44:40.320 the lowest form of evidence

00:44:42.080 is eyewitness testimony.

00:44:43.500 Pearsay.

00:44:44.460 No, no.

00:44:46.100 Just any eyewitness testimony at all.

00:44:48.140 You're saying eyewitness testimony

00:44:49.360 is the lowest.

00:44:49.900 The lowest form of evidence.

00:44:50.420 If you come into a conference

00:44:51.760 and say,

00:44:53.120 especially if you're describing

00:44:54.560 something extraordinary,

00:44:55.960 this happened, I swear it.

00:44:57.800 Go home.

00:44:58.780 Get out of here.

00:44:59.320 Until you get a chart recorder,

00:45:01.040 a video, something.

00:45:02.460 Okay?

00:45:02.800 Of the thing you were saying happened.

00:45:05.380 As Carl Sagan said,

00:45:06.340 extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence yeah if you say neil you left your

00:45:11.360 car keys out on the on the on the on the on the couch i'm not gonna say where's your proof i need

00:45:17.220 video no that doesn't that's not an extraordinary claim yeah i'll say i probably left my car keys

00:45:21.540 let me go check maybe they're not my not my car keys you could be wrong but it's still it's not

00:45:27.020 something to doubt let me let me let me push back on for one second so so for cattle cattle mutilation

00:45:32.680 specifically like unfilmed go on well you're not going to have any cameras in in the vast

00:45:37.420 majority of acreage in where these where these cattle are being set up if you want to show

00:45:42.600 people that aliens did it i don't think cattle treated as a scientific experiment i don't think

00:45:47.160 set up you're right cattle farmers aren't aren't scientists they don't care and they also no one

00:45:52.580 thinks they want someone to believe him no one become scientists no one thinks it's going to

00:45:55.900 happen to their cattle all of a sudden then you have a cattle who's who's propped up in the middle

00:45:59.660 of a field stiff his organs have been removed

00:46:01.580 he has no blood in his body

00:46:03.280 and there's not an ounce of blood anywhere

00:46:05.480 near the cow and like

00:46:07.500 happens repeatedly the same

00:46:09.500 time yeah yeah so that's freaky

00:46:11.280 it's weird totally freaky

00:46:13.420 they're not going to have evidence for it

00:46:14.900 something you're saying

00:46:17.500 so either it's a hoax which is a way

00:46:19.580 easier thing to imagine

00:46:21.460 than

00:46:22.460 intergalactic aliens

00:46:25.360 coming and taking great interest

00:46:27.540 in your cows

00:46:28.460 Why would they do that?

00:46:31.360 I don't know.

00:46:31.940 It was like a few months ago, there were like these lights over northern New Jersey and made the headlines.

00:46:37.300 What do you mean?

00:46:37.840 They're talking about the drones?

00:46:38.840 Yeah.

00:46:39.180 Well, some were clearly drones, but others they didn't know.

00:46:41.940 So it was a mystery.

00:46:43.300 And the government officials say they're safe.

00:46:45.300 But how do you know they're safe if you can't identify them?

00:46:47.040 We don't know.

00:46:48.080 Da-di-da.

00:46:48.380 That didn't freak you out.

00:46:48.860 I'm on CNN.

00:46:50.020 And they say, you know, so what do you think these could be?

00:46:52.760 You know, might they be aliens?

00:46:54.100 Again, we don't know what they are, therefore aliens.

00:46:56.180 So I said, you know, I'm an Earthling, so I only know sort of Earthling values.

00:47:01.340 I have Earthling values.

00:47:03.080 But if I were an alien visiting Earth, I would not be visiting New Jersey.

00:47:11.480 I've got nothing against New Jersey.

00:47:13.460 I'm just an alien.

00:47:14.680 I got Hawaii.

00:47:15.600 It's so true.

00:47:16.840 It's so true.

00:47:17.780 I got the pyramids.

00:47:19.280 I got, you know, the outback.

00:47:21.960 I got places that are fun, but not New Jersey.

00:47:24.980 Does your Earth-bound evidence of cattle and all of that stuff influence your total opinion on aliens in general?

00:47:34.040 It influences my assessment of how eager people are to believe that we've been visited by aliens, even though they don't have such...

00:47:42.400 The evidence isn't there.

00:47:44.060 The evidence that would convince a scientist, an experimental scientist.

00:47:48.840 So let's go back to Congress, where they have these hearings, and the whistleblowers, and they come out, okay?

00:47:53.100 All right.

00:47:54.980 Sir, yeah, I've seen aliens, and I have in a box non-human biologics.

00:48:06.180 That was an actual phrase.

00:48:07.480 Yes, biologics have been recovered.

00:48:09.420 Non-human biologics have been recovered from the grass site.

00:48:12.420 Think about that phrase.

00:48:15.520 Okay, we have the tree of life with millions of species thriving on Earth,

00:48:20.100 And in there is the thread that goes to vertebrates

00:48:24.340 and then mammals and then primates

00:48:27.080 and then Homo sapiens and there we are.

00:48:30.800 Okay.

00:48:32.040 Remove the Homo sapien line, humans,

00:48:36.680 and everything else is non-human biologics.

00:48:40.560 He could have tree bark.

00:48:42.080 Fish, fish.

00:48:43.360 He could have anything.

00:48:45.280 Grass counts as non-human biologics.

00:48:48.320 If he meant non-Earth biology biologics, that's something different.

00:48:54.760 Different story.

00:48:55.180 Okay, that's a different story.

00:48:55.940 It's not what he said.

00:48:56.820 It was a very intentional word.

00:48:58.360 Okay, perhaps, but I'm saying if he's got tree bark, I'm not knocking down the door to find it.

00:49:06.340 A.

00:49:06.600 B, if he has aliens in a locked box and he's not going to show you,

00:49:15.040 to a scientist, that's exactly the same thing.

00:49:18.320 as no aliens in a locked box that he's not showing you.

00:49:22.340 Dude, it makes sense.

00:49:23.260 He doesn't have the aliens, though.

00:49:25.260 David Gruss does not have the aliens.

00:49:26.620 Why doesn't he bring it out in front of the...

00:49:28.620 Why not?

00:49:30.060 He's already a whistleblower.

00:49:31.560 So what's he worried about now?

00:49:35.040 Okay?

00:49:35.620 So, plus...

00:49:37.560 Plus...

00:49:39.560 Plus...

00:49:40.560 I gotta calm down.

00:49:42.640 Plus...

00:49:43.560 How is it that often the same people

00:49:48.120 who are certain that there's a masterminded government cover-up

00:49:52.280 with hundreds if not thousands of people in on the secret

00:49:55.820 that the government is stockpiling aliens in secret places,

00:49:59.620 especially Area 51.

00:50:01.440 Pizza game.

00:50:02.080 And these are the same people typically

00:50:04.740 who will on the next breath say

00:50:07.500 the government is an oversized bloated bureaucracy

00:50:11.280 that's inefficient and it needs to be dismantled.

00:50:14.420 You can't have both ways there.

00:50:16.440 I see.

00:50:16.700 And Ben Franklin said it best in his Port Richard's Almanac.

00:50:21.260 There's a quote.

00:50:22.800 Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead.

00:50:28.220 Yeah.

00:50:29.180 And let's go to Area 51.

00:50:31.420 If you're the janitor and you see the aliens, sneak in your smartphone, take a picture.

00:50:38.460 Send it up to the internet.

00:50:39.760 You'll lose your job that night, but you'll be the famous, most richest janitor there ever was the next day.

00:50:45.960 So wait a second.

00:50:46.840 You know who Bob Lazar is?

00:50:49.080 Yes, I think I do.

00:50:50.460 Yeah, he's an enthusiast in this space.

00:50:53.440 Enthusiast.

00:50:53.980 Well, he is the original Area 51 whistleblower who was, he wasn't the janitor per se, but

00:51:00.020 he was supposedly hired to help reverse engineer aliens.

00:51:03.040 You have the pictures.

00:51:03.660 I need the pictures.

00:51:04.280 I need something bad.

00:51:05.680 You're still describing his eyewitness testimony.

00:51:08.380 It's not good.

00:51:09.300 What's weird, I got to slip this in.

00:51:11.240 What's weird is that in the court of law, eyewitness testimony is high.

00:51:15.740 That's what I'm saying.

00:51:16.540 You're not giving it much credence.

00:51:18.000 No.

00:51:18.940 No.

00:51:19.600 Because in science, it's not.

00:51:21.460 I don't mind it as, okay, I'll look into it more.

00:51:24.020 Yep.

00:51:25.080 That's fine.

00:51:25.760 Yep.

00:51:26.140 As a starter.

00:51:27.120 Yep.

00:51:27.860 As a starter point.

00:51:29.180 If someone said, an alien just landed up the block, I'm not going to say, do you have

00:51:33.160 better evidence?

00:51:33.860 If it just landed, let's go bring your tools.

00:51:36.520 Yep.

00:51:36.760 Bring your instruments.

00:51:38.160 And let's, so eyewitness testimony can hint at things that deserve further attention.

00:51:43.920 Yep.

00:51:45.020 And by the way, if you type Bigfoot into the, okay, you know what you get?

00:51:50.000 That fuzzy 1960s black and white, was it in color maybe?

00:51:54.060 A video of some guy in the woods.

00:51:55.920 Why is that the best evidence of Bigfoot?

00:51:58.200 It's a seven-foot hairy ape.

00:52:00.420 And why is that less believable for the public than the alien story?

00:52:04.460 Or the Loch Ness Monster.

00:52:05.840 Even if you do believe it, I'm saying, is your best evidence is 60-year-old video.

00:52:14.140 you know a fuzzy film that's your best evidence when everybody's got a camera today this is seven

00:52:19.240 foot hairy ape and how is it reproducing where's where's the girl where's where is bigfoot poop

00:52:26.460 okay you can't you can't be that large and go unnoticed bigfoot seems like bigfoot seems like

00:52:34.280 a hoax let's be honest for bigfoot's crazy hey i don't know but let me let me say something

00:52:40.400 because dude you're totally

00:52:42.100 I hear you

00:52:43.180 and I love the take

00:52:45.380 and you're a scientist

00:52:47.180 and a million people at any given moment

00:52:50.260 are airborne

00:52:51.140 with a window

00:52:52.660 and a smartphone

00:52:54.540 if the mothership were coming

00:52:57.240 we would have it

00:52:59.240 Tommy Fury has it

00:53:00.560 Tommy I've said it on this podcast

00:53:04.020 and I've seen it

00:53:05.160 I'm going to say it again bro

00:53:06.400 I know you showed Mike the picture of the mothership

00:53:08.760 That you took from that airplane Tommy Fury

00:53:10.600 Fucking post the picture

00:53:12.440 Is this after you told AI to produce the picture

00:53:15.320 Now you got AI has messed everything up

00:53:17.060 So this is what I want to say

00:53:18.580 So you're yearning for

00:53:20.400 More concrete evidence

00:53:22.860 Specifically video evidence

00:53:24.760 Because you keep saying smart phones

00:53:25.960 Video's a start

00:53:26.960 What I really want is the freaking alien

00:53:28.540 And we're good here

00:53:30.520 Bring me the alien

00:53:33.460 But let me say

00:53:35.200 With AI and

00:53:37.240 generative video not being as AI is not going to make a physical alien no it won't it won't make

00:53:41.860 it but like it's going to be harder and harder to produce evidence to convince you that it does

00:53:48.140 like less less having the actual alien I don't think it sounds like you'll ever we're going to

00:53:52.880 run out of possible ways given the capacity of AI and the urge of people to need a need aliens to be

00:54:02.460 real, that plus AI is a pretty devastating combination

00:54:09.100 of what you can produce.

00:54:10.860 You can want to believe in it so much

00:54:14.080 that you're almost without guilt for having created it

00:54:19.320 because your mind took over your motives.

00:54:22.760 Your urges took over, I mean I'm thinking

00:54:26.000 just more compassionately about the neurodiversity

00:54:30.320 of the world.

00:54:31.220 There are people who believe in something so strongly

00:54:33.380 that it becomes real to them.

00:54:35.000 And they generate an AI image of it and that becomes real.

00:54:38.300 So, we're coming to a point where just fork up the alien.

00:54:43.560 We're good.

00:54:44.400 My favorite scene in Independence Day,

00:54:47.460 where, in the movie?

00:54:49.080 Well, no.

00:54:50.200 I wanna say that!

00:54:52.400 Well, no!

00:54:53.840 You say it, you say it, they'll ruin it.

00:54:56.320 Okay, so, Will Smith goes up to the alien craft

00:55:00.040 in the middle of the desert, pops the hat,

00:55:02.140 punches him in the face, welcome to Earth.

00:55:04.840 It's like, yes.

00:55:06.840 Yes, I would behave almost that way.

00:55:09.720 I would, like, I might say, welcome to Earth.

00:55:13.360 Don't fuck with us anymore, you know?

00:55:15.360 I mean, I might be.

00:55:16.200 What if that turns into a Mars attack situation?

00:55:18.460 Okay, so, well, the Mars attack movie,

00:55:22.120 you know, that was a little campy.

00:55:27.160 It's a great movie.

00:55:28.180 He turns the lady into a dog

00:55:31.660 In the same sentence

00:55:33.080 Okay wait let me ask you this

00:55:34.760 Based on intensity of evidence

00:55:37.160 We do have others

00:55:38.340 Quality of evidence intensity of belief

00:55:40.240 Quality of evidence

00:55:41.960 Where is aliens, where is flat earth

00:55:44.680 And where is the moon landing

00:55:46.060 Rank them

00:55:47.080 All equally zero

00:55:51.080 Really

00:55:52.240 Yeah pretty much

00:55:53.100 Really the moon landing too

00:55:54.520 As what

00:55:55.960 Did the moon landing happen?

00:55:57.580 Was that what I'm answering here?

00:55:59.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:56:00.040 Did you invert the scale?

00:56:01.340 Sorry.

00:56:02.280 Sorry.

00:56:02.680 Sorry.

00:56:03.600 I'm ego dystonic.

00:56:04.540 Okay.

00:56:04.960 Let me compose the sentence that combines those three.

00:56:08.040 Yes, sir.

00:56:08.460 Okay.

00:56:10.320 The evidence for the moon landings and the spherical Earth

00:56:19.320 are to be in denial of those

00:56:25.720 means you are intellectually and emotionally disconnected

00:56:31.280 from civilization on some level.

00:56:34.920 You need help.

00:56:37.300 So you're saying flat earthers need help.

00:56:40.680 Well, okay.

00:56:41.720 No, we're in a free country.

00:56:43.180 You can say, believe what you want.

00:56:45.420 I just don't want you to become head of NASA.

00:56:47.400 There are plenty of jobs you can have

00:56:49.300 thinking Earth is flat.

00:56:51.020 Kyrie Irving was one of them.

00:56:53.160 He did this while he was with the Celtics.

00:56:55.700 I don't know.

00:56:56.040 Yeah, we know.

00:56:56.640 We did a whole Flat Earth documentary, dude.

00:56:58.480 We infiltrated the Flat Earth community.

00:57:00.000 Oh, I know about that.

00:57:01.180 You do?

00:57:01.660 I know of it.

00:57:02.660 I know of it.

00:57:03.340 Wow.

00:57:03.780 Yes.

00:57:04.120 You almost got killed.

00:57:04.840 I thought that was good.

00:57:06.780 You saw it?

00:57:07.400 No, because it was,

00:57:09.640 let them sink themselves, you know?

00:57:12.840 Just let them talk themselves into whatever.

00:57:14.980 That was so good.

00:57:15.860 It was our favorite thing we've ever done.

00:57:17.260 Right, right.

00:57:17.680 So I got you.

00:57:18.600 So plus I think flat earthers, it's really a hoax on us

00:57:24.740 because when space flight becomes routine,

00:57:29.360 they want to be the first one sent into space for free.

00:57:32.500 Okay, okay.

00:57:33.100 So instead of forking up the $50,000,

00:57:35.560 they get sent for free to see the round earth.

00:57:37.960 To see the curvature.

00:57:38.300 Okay, now I believe it.

00:57:39.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:39.720 I think it's a hoax to go to space.

00:57:42.320 Right, right.

00:57:42.580 So, moon landings

00:57:44.340 We would have had to have faked the moon landing

00:57:50.460 Going to the moon

00:57:51.740 Nine times

00:57:52.900 That's weird

00:57:55.300 Why would you do that?

00:57:57.020 Well, you know why you would do it

00:57:58.420 To fake it nine times?

00:58:01.180 That's weird, I'm just saying

00:58:02.560 Yeah, but weird is not

00:58:05.840 Weird in itself is not a piece of evidence

00:58:08.200 Correct, but you're allowed to look at

00:58:09.860 What could be motives

00:58:11.620 as part of the evidence that you assemble.

00:58:13.400 What about the physical evidence that was brought up?

00:58:14.840 Physical evidence, we have rocks from the moon.

00:58:16.520 That's what I'm missing.

00:58:17.760 Shared with the world.

00:58:18.820 Please watch this video.

00:58:23.380 I remember that.

00:58:25.420 Old enough to remember it.

00:58:26.620 Is that how gravity functions on the moon?

00:58:30.720 Doesn't he not look ridiculous hopping around on the moon?

00:58:33.100 He does look ridiculous, but how much do you weigh here?

00:58:36.220 You're 2, what, 220?

00:58:37.120 215.

00:58:37.780 215?

00:58:38.180 So on the moon, you would weigh 35 pounds.

00:58:45.220 So you have your musculoskeletal strength

00:58:47.280 to accommodate Earth weight.

00:58:50.540 Even if I put on 100 pounds of suit,

00:58:53.700 on the moon, that's adding 16 pounds to your body.

00:58:57.520 So there you are.

00:58:59.320 Now, those suits are not like modern flexi suits.

00:59:02.840 That's like first-gen moon suits.

00:59:07.060 But with your current musculoskeletal structure, you're now skipping around with 40 pounds of total weight.

00:59:14.740 So your slightest muscle movements, you'll just float.

00:59:18.120 Don't you think that video looks a little silly, though?

00:59:21.240 That doesn't mean it's not true.

00:59:22.920 Yeah, but is that really how you would bounce around on the move?

00:59:25.760 Yes, on those kind of outfits.

00:59:27.600 I mean, they're not doing jumping jacks.

00:59:28.780 They can't because they don't have that flexibility.

00:59:31.000 But if you don't have much flexibility, and you'll go up slowly and down slowly.

00:59:36.260 You think we went to the moon.

00:59:37.760 I know we went to the moon.

00:59:38.740 What do you mean I think?

00:59:39.420 They brought back rocks, okay?

00:59:43.540 Rocks shared with laboratories around the world.

00:59:45.940 That's what you do as scientists.

00:59:47.620 And that's evidence for you.

00:59:48.880 That's the concrete evidence you need to believe in something.

00:59:51.560 Plus the Saturn V rocket launched.

00:59:55.020 You can calculate how much fuel is in it

00:59:57.320 and what that could do to the little capsule

01:00:01.220 where the three astronauts were.

01:00:03.120 It's enough fuel to go into Earth orbit,

01:00:04.920 go to the moon, go into moon orbit, come back to Earth, and land.

01:00:08.760 Where do you think those rockets were going?

01:00:11.220 To the Piggly Wiggly down the street?

01:00:13.680 So, it's, and to be thousands of people who would have to keep this a secret.

01:00:21.560 So, just ask yourself, here, I'll answer it the cleanest way I can.

01:00:29.380 You ready?

01:00:32.000 NASA was concerned that Russia would beat us to the moon.

01:00:34.640 so they and the government got together

01:00:37.300 and said we're going to have to fake this

01:00:38.640 so they say but we don't know how to do that

01:00:41.440 let's go to Hollywood

01:00:42.080 so they called Hollywood and Hollywood said

01:00:44.600 we got to fake the moon landing but don't tell anyone

01:00:46.360 so Hollywood

01:00:48.840 studies the problem

01:00:50.880 and comes back and says

01:00:53.220 turns out we can fake

01:00:55.580 the moon landing

01:00:56.660 but it's way easier if we do it on location

01:00:59.360 what about Gus Grissom

01:01:04.400 Do you know the story of Gus Grissom?

01:01:06.040 What about him?

01:01:06.860 Do you know the story?

01:01:07.960 Yeah, I met most of the moon people.

01:01:09.860 Yeah, what about him?

01:01:10.380 So he was one of the astronauts that burned alive in the cockpit.

01:01:13.140 Yeah, in Apollo 1.

01:01:14.760 Yeah, that was supposed to go to the moon.

01:01:16.620 Apparently he was really outspoken about the moon program

01:01:19.400 and wrote a letter.

01:01:21.220 It's basically saying we aren't ready.

01:01:22.420 We don't have the technology for this.

01:01:23.680 He even hung a lemon on the craft as like a symbology for this rocket is a lemon.

01:01:31.680 There's a recording of him.

01:01:32.400 Sorry, I've never met Gus Grissom.

01:01:33.940 I met the astronauts on Apollo 13.

01:01:36.580 Sorry, not met.

01:01:37.820 I know who he is.

01:01:39.380 Yeah.

01:01:40.200 And there's even a communication of him talking to the tower down the street, the headquarters, and they couldn't connect.

01:01:48.100 Even me, bro.

01:01:48.660 I'm sitting in this top building on this floor, and I have one bar.

01:01:51.460 It's 20, 25.

01:01:52.480 And Gus said, like, we can't even communicate.

01:01:55.580 You're miles down the road.

01:01:56.820 How are we going to make it to the moon?

01:01:58.260 Yeah, so we have clever engineers, and they fix it.

01:02:00.260 That's why the next five Apollo-numbered missions were scrapped.

01:02:05.880 We went from Apollo 1 to Apollo 7 after the Apollo 1 fire.

01:02:09.760 So that was a problem.

01:02:11.020 They fixed it.

01:02:12.060 This is what engineers do.

01:02:13.420 Wait, so you don't think they just assassinated them?

01:02:15.120 This is all they do.

01:02:16.100 They live for that to fix a problem within budget on time.

01:02:20.520 So there's money versus time, and they work opposite each other.

01:02:26.220 The more money you have, the quicker you can do it generally in these things.

01:02:29.680 so uh the real issue here is if you don't know physics you think getting to the moon

01:02:37.380 was harder than it actually was explain that to me because it sounds really hard dude it's far

01:02:43.140 away yeah it's far but rockets you know yes it is rocket science but once you know what you're

01:02:49.640 doing it's just can the materials sustain it get the right materials get the will everything fire

01:02:55.160 in the right sequence.

01:02:56.220 You don't want to put human life at risk.

01:02:58.680 And take a look at the early rockets that failed.

01:03:02.100 All right?

01:03:02.680 Nice YouTube compilations of unmanned rockets

01:03:05.600 that just failed.

01:03:06.520 And all the rockets that we had

01:03:08.560 that would carry a person into space failed

01:03:11.060 at the time Yuri Gagarin went into orbit

01:03:14.820 for the Russians, for the Soviet Union.

01:03:17.260 And so we were spooked.

01:03:18.700 Kennedy gives a speech in the Joint Session of Congress,

01:03:22.180 May 25th, 1961,

01:03:24.140 could not utter the man's name.

01:03:26.420 He says, if the events of recent weeks,

01:03:28.820 Yuri Gagarin went in and out of space,

01:03:32.460 could not utter his name.

01:03:33.640 The events of recent, I'm paraphrasing,

01:03:35.480 the events of recent weeks are any indication

01:03:37.700 of the impact of this adventure

01:03:39.320 on the minds of men everywhere,

01:03:41.000 then we need to show the world the path of freedom

01:03:43.600 over the path of tyranny.

01:03:45.400 It was his battle cry against communism.

01:03:47.700 It was like, kill the commies, let's beat them,

01:03:49.720 and let's go to the moon.

01:03:50.940 And so Moon became the thing to leapfrog all of their achievements and advancements.

01:03:57.740 And, dude, we have an SUV-sized rover on Mars right now.

01:04:03.400 Just roving.

01:04:04.580 Chilling.

01:04:05.340 Yeah.

01:04:05.660 Well, it's doing work, okay?

01:04:07.540 Work.

01:04:07.700 And just discovered a rock that may have had evidence of life.

01:04:09.920 Yep.

01:04:10.100 So the fact that we have people living and walking among us in denial of where engineering

01:04:17.320 and science has taken us is itself a compliment

01:04:21.020 for how far civilization has become.

01:04:24.060 I see.

01:04:24.460 What, because they don't, no,

01:04:25.460 but does it not frustrate you that that group does that?

01:04:28.220 No, because we live in a free country,

01:04:29.700 they can think what the hell they want.

01:04:30.760 But why is the size of that group?

01:04:32.320 Because if you go back 30 years,

01:04:34.200 the size of the denial of historical events group

01:04:36.640 was a small group.

01:04:38.220 It was a pretty small group.

01:04:39.780 And then there was Alex Jones,

01:04:40.880 and it got a little bit bigger,

01:04:41.920 and Sandy Hook was a hoax,

01:04:43.140 and now the moon is a hoax,

01:04:44.260 and the earth is flat,

01:04:44.980 and COVID was a lie.

01:04:45.940 We can find every other person in the world that thinks exactly how you think, no matter how crazy the idea is, which lends credence to your own belief in whether or not you are correct.

01:04:58.860 Whereas in the day, you were the lone person, crazy person in the town, and you had no friends.

01:05:04.080 But now that lone person in every town in the world found each other.

01:05:08.280 No, but I think more people are transitioning into those belief sets.

01:05:12.000 I think distrust in the government and distrust in historical events is at an all-time high.

01:05:16.120 How can you distrust the government if the government is stockpiling aliens secretly?

01:05:19.720 You must really trust that the government can keep a secret.

01:05:22.740 Okay?

01:05:23.160 That's what I'm saying.

01:05:23.880 So, I don't care.

01:05:26.080 You don't get upset about the fact that scientists are being discredited.

01:05:31.480 Their life's work is being discredited.

01:05:33.420 It has consequences.

01:05:34.800 And when it bites you in the ass, you'll come back.

01:05:39.060 It has consequences.

01:05:39.840 You're not going to vaccine your whole family and your whole town, it has consequences.

01:05:45.340 And you value freedom so much that you'll put the lives of others at risk because you

01:05:50.920 could then transmit a disease that you are not protected against, especially people who

01:05:54.760 are immune compromised, for example.

01:05:58.320 So we have to, in America, I think we need to strike some balance, which we're exploring

01:06:04.880 that that that that interface some balance between personal freedoms and and group responsibility

01:06:15.400 exactly yeah personal freedoms and and a social contract that at some level you're going to care

01:06:22.920 about other people do some level do you feel like those are those neglect each other in some way

01:06:28.600 like your your personal freedoms somehow go to war with empathy for other people's uh it can

01:06:34.380 It can, but I think you don't want to live in a nanny state.

01:06:38.440 No one does, right?

01:06:39.920 So I think we still need to explore where the best location of that should be.

01:06:45.660 Let's give an example.

01:06:46.340 Let's say you're a billionaire and you're stepping over homeless people to get home.

01:06:49.680 And you say, well, I earned it and they didn't.

01:06:51.840 That's their problem.

01:06:53.360 Wouldn't you be better off if you created a program that helped the homeless people?

01:06:58.740 People are too selfish.

01:06:59.600 So that your town is more attractive to visitors.

01:07:05.480 Isn't there a collective interest served if your money was invested that way?

01:07:10.520 People don't want to do that.

01:07:11.380 But if you just say the person who dies with the most money wins,

01:07:14.700 but you're living in a hellhole?

01:07:19.740 Dystopia.

01:07:20.660 Dystopia, good word, that we all understand.

01:07:23.320 You used a word that we understand.

01:07:24.200 Well, the one I used earlier was close.

01:07:25.620 It was dystonic.

01:07:26.580 They have similar build-outs.

01:07:27.840 You had the disc thing going.

01:07:28.620 But it's funny because when you describe the future world in your chat GPT visualization,

01:07:34.580 you describe the utopian world.

01:07:36.400 And unfortunately, based on what you know about the human condition and the human species,

01:07:41.060 we're not going there.

01:07:42.340 I don't have that level of trust or hope for the human species that you do.

01:07:46.940 It doesn't mean I should not continue to hope.

01:07:51.920 Agreed.

01:07:52.500 One day we might.

01:07:54.080 What did you say you were hoping?

01:07:55.080 You said your hope, you said basically like hope optimistic or like.

01:07:58.660 No, no, I am, I am, I'm an optimistic realist.

01:08:03.120 Okay, okay.

01:08:03.500 That's what I am.

01:08:04.720 All right.

01:08:05.060 Me too.

01:08:05.560 I like that.

01:08:06.000 So I know, I want to be told like it is.

01:08:10.880 I don't want to be lied to.

01:08:12.500 I want to think about all the problems and all the warts of society.

01:08:17.080 But my attitude towards it is not that it's going to all go to hell,

01:08:21.400 but that we may be able to improve it on some level.

01:08:28.140 And we think about it.

01:08:29.800 We have improved quite a bit.

01:08:31.400 Let me just kind of give an example.

01:08:33.240 You know, we live in a time where if there are protesters

01:08:35.620 and then there's a van that drives into the protest,

01:08:38.820 kills a few people.

01:08:40.680 Unfortunately, that has happened before,

01:08:42.480 so I'm not just making that up as an example.

01:08:45.220 So half a dozen people die.

01:08:46.560 It's world news for a day.

01:08:48.680 It's national news for a week.

01:08:52.220 It's local news for a month.

01:08:54.480 Okay?

01:08:55.500 Do you realize between 1939 and 1945,

01:09:00.540 1,000 people were killed per hour

01:09:05.500 in the service of the Second World War?

01:09:08.880 Yeah.

01:09:09.780 But that's not how we reported the war.

01:09:11.780 Oh, we took this beachfront.

01:09:13.740 We pushed the enemy out of the town.

01:09:16.220 So now they're out at the outskirts.

01:09:19.320 The front has moved.

01:09:21.160 That's how we talked about it.

01:09:23.240 There is no time in the past where I would rather be alive than the present.

01:09:30.440 And in the present, we are prisoners of the present,

01:09:33.500 forever transitioning from our inaccessible past to our unknowable future.

01:09:40.720 But it doesn't mean I can't always try to continually improve

01:09:45.400 where we're headed.

01:09:47.120 In the Broadway musical Man of La Mancha,

01:09:50.520 which is based on Don Quixote.

01:09:52.580 You know, Don Quixote, if you remember the story,

01:09:54.400 he's got a joust or whatever you call these things,

01:09:57.000 and he's on a horse, and he wants to fight the windmill.

01:10:00.400 That's just weird.

01:10:01.460 Like, who wrote that?

01:10:02.500 What are you doing?

01:10:04.980 Plus, Trump wants to fight windmills.

01:10:07.560 Plus, you're not gonna win, right?

01:10:09.300 So why are you doing this?

01:10:11.100 That led to a song in the musical

01:10:13.260 to dream the impossible dream.

01:10:16.980 We all know this song.

01:10:18.760 To dream the impossible dream.

01:10:21.380 And look at the lines in that song.

01:10:23.800 To fight the unbeatable foe.

01:10:26.900 To march into hell for a heavenly cause.

01:10:31.740 When I see things that feel challenges of the world,

01:10:35.440 that feel insurmountable,

01:10:36.920 I just read the lines of that song.

01:10:38.880 And it gives me energy

01:10:40.880 To continue to fight

01:10:43.300 I'm sorry

01:10:44.760 We have 8 minutes

01:10:47.040 8 minutes

01:10:47.500 I want to ask you some of the big ones

01:10:51.240 I wanted to get to

01:10:51.860 I'm honored that my book is between your drink picture

01:10:54.880 Yeah

01:10:55.420 That means you value

01:10:58.360 Yeah for sure

01:10:59.660 We want people to go buy this book

01:11:01.020 Just visiting this planet

01:11:02.100 It's a Q&A book

01:11:04.600 I think it's amazing

01:11:06.200 it's 200 questions asked by real people

01:11:08.960 and they're not chat GPT

01:11:10.940 they're questions the way the answer

01:11:12.820 has personality because Merlin is a pen

01:11:14.900 name that I wrote a column with

01:11:16.740 and Merlin has a personality someone says

01:11:18.820 dear Merlin I don't quite understand gravity

01:11:20.600 and Merlin recalls a conversation with

01:11:22.920 Isaac Newton so anything we miss

01:11:24.860 on this show today can be found in that book

01:11:26.460 no I'm asking

01:11:27.640 Neil I'm just curious because I feel

01:11:30.980 like you'd know

01:11:31.500 Neil what would prime taste like on Mars

01:11:34.780 well you would suffocate

01:11:37.860 oh man

01:11:39.960 the electrolytes won't help you

01:11:42.640 yeah I'm sorry

01:11:44.280 you'll have other issues

01:11:46.120 than worrying what your drink is going to taste like

01:11:48.580 so if you go into a HAB module

01:11:50.900 on Mars

01:11:52.220 where the environment is just like Earth

01:11:54.420 the only difference then will be

01:11:56.100 slightly less gravity

01:11:57.340 that's all

01:11:58.440 and so the drink will then otherwise

01:12:02.000 taste the same

01:12:03.140 So Mars' atmosphere is 1% as thick as Earth's atmosphere,

01:12:08.740 so you'd have to pump in oxygen.

01:12:11.420 But if it was a lower air pressure,

01:12:13.300 it might taste a little different

01:12:14.740 because certain foods are more aromatic

01:12:17.020 the less air that is pressing down on top of them

01:12:19.720 because their molecules can rise up with greater vigor.

01:12:24.400 So it might even taste better.

01:12:26.000 Well, some foods, you don't want all the taste all at once.

01:12:29.560 You've got to watch out for that.

01:12:30.900 Some is a gentle blend that come out as the aromas rise.

01:12:35.580 So if you go into it, and you wouldn't have to do that.

01:12:38.700 It's why you might order some drinks on an airplane that you wouldn't order at a bar.

01:12:43.960 Have you ever thought about that?

01:12:45.140 Just look at what you order on an airplane and compare it.

01:12:47.840 Like a nice white wine.

01:12:48.980 Yeah, for example, on an airplane, it has less pressure because they don't want to overbuild the cabin to hold the pressure at sea level.

01:12:58.200 Neil, we've got to rapid fire you.

01:13:00.240 here's one right all right so um uh one of einstein's lifelong friends died and einstein

01:13:08.120 sent a letter to his family offering his condolences and in his letter he said now he has

01:13:13.460 again preceded me a little in parting from this strange world this has no importance for us

01:13:18.400 believing physicists the distinction between past present and future is only a stubbornly persistent

01:13:24.360 illusion. What did he mean by that? It's because he saw time as its own coordinate

01:13:32.040 in space-time. So we are in a room here that has a height with depth. You can move within this room

01:13:39.360 at will. But as I said a moment ago, we are prisoners of the present. But if you step back

01:13:45.200 and say, if I'm not that, but I can see your entire timeline, then I can put you anywhere

01:13:52.780 in your timeline the same way i can put you anywhere in this room if time is just another

01:13:56.920 coordinate and so on a timeline you were always being born you're always dying you're always alive

01:14:03.840 how do you how do you get to that timeline you have to come at it from a higher dimension

01:14:08.660 fourth dimension yeah a fourth spatial dimension is that the guy in the wall in interstellar is

01:14:13.440 interstellar based on a true story yeah they're trying to the better analogy there would be uh

01:14:17.760 the film and story Slaughterhouse-Five

01:14:19.760 where the main character is abducted

01:14:22.020 by aliens and he

01:14:23.940 lives in a higher dimension but he sees

01:14:25.460 his entire timeline and he

01:14:27.880 rejoins it just at, he's in a zoo

01:14:29.700 by the way, but it doesn't matter because he's

01:14:31.900 an alien zoo, he can access his

01:14:33.840 own life's timeline at any time

01:14:35.880 at will. So that's what Einstein

01:14:37.760 means by that. I see. If you're

01:14:39.760 traveling at the speed of light

01:14:41.880 if you're traveling

01:14:43.960 at the speed of light, can you see

01:14:45.800 the landscape of time

01:14:47.520 like a horizon

01:14:49.380 like it's theoretically right

01:14:51.900 at the speed of light time stops

01:14:54.100 so

01:14:54.940 we can't travel light can do that

01:14:57.900 but we can't so at the speed

01:14:59.960 of light you'll see everything going by you you won't

01:15:01.900 know that you're traveling because motion

01:15:03.800 is relative you wouldn't know it

01:15:05.440 and things will look different

01:15:07.040 as they move past you

01:15:09.680 that certain

01:15:10.740 your field of view narrows

01:15:13.560 and so there's fascinating

01:15:15.520 consequences to it

01:15:17.500 There's a guy, George Gamow, who wrote a series of books called Mr. Tompkins in Wonderland.

01:15:21.780 And what he did was he changed the laws of physics for Mr. Tompkins in each book.

01:15:26.000 And in one of them, the speed of light was 60 miles an hour.

01:15:29.640 And so as he's driving down the street, things happen, and you get to describe your life

01:15:34.480 when the laws of physics are different just to get you a little closer to their impact upon you.

01:15:40.120 Bring on more.

01:15:40.680 Okay, ready?

01:15:41.280 I got one.

01:15:41.660 My turn, please, please, please, please.

01:15:43.360 Okay, okay.

01:15:44.440 You said that you look for-

01:15:45.740 Whose name is on the show?

01:15:47.500 we've done this before

01:15:50.460 we were going to change it to a mics

01:15:53.020 you said that for your

01:15:55.140 inspiration you sometimes visit that song

01:15:56.960 that you were just singing so

01:15:57.960 when I confront problems in the world

01:16:00.100 other people when they look for hope and inspiration

01:16:02.200 they look to a book called the bible

01:16:04.340 does God exist

01:16:05.600 are you asking me

01:16:08.280 oh you mean does that God exist

01:16:10.660 I guess so

01:16:11.980 just type God into

01:16:14.500 look at the wiki page on God

01:16:16.160 and there's thousands of gods listed there.

01:16:18.440 Does any god exist?

01:16:20.640 Based on what people say

01:16:22.320 about what that god is supposed to do

01:16:27.580 and its influence in the world,

01:16:30.080 based on that, I remain unconvinced

01:16:33.060 that anybody's in charge of anything in this world.

01:16:36.020 You're agnostic.

01:16:36.960 Yes.

01:16:37.360 You refuse to believe or disbelieve.

01:16:39.500 You don't have evidence.

01:16:40.720 Refuse is too harsh.

01:16:41.620 I would welcome better evidence

01:16:44.640 than what has been presented in defense of the existence of somebody who's in charge.

01:16:49.860 We had two guys on our podcast named Cliff and Stuart Connectley.

01:16:56.020 They are devout Christians who spread the word, the gospel,

01:17:00.240 and they were very convinced by the eyewitness testimony of Jesus.

01:17:07.900 And that was, I think, I don't want to misquote them,

01:17:11.820 but they cited that as some of the strongest evidence they had

01:17:15.020 to prove the existence of Jesus at one point in the Bible.

01:17:20.440 And you're saying that you're saying I wouldn't...

01:17:21.800 You're talking about God, not Jesus.

01:17:22.360 Yeah, well, Jesus is God to some people.

01:17:24.320 No, no, no, but the existence of God and the existence of Jesus

01:17:26.280 are separable variables here.

01:17:28.420 Okay, so do you think Jesus existed?

01:17:30.320 Because Thomas Jefferson, okay, one of our founding fathers,

01:17:33.980 published a book called The Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, okay?

01:17:41.220 And you know what's in that book?

01:17:43.140 He took the New Testament, cut out,

01:17:45.600 physically cut out with scissors every reference

01:17:48.980 to a miracle, anything mythical, magical,

01:17:51.820 conversations with God, and he left in the wisdom of Jesus.

01:17:55.900 And so to Jefferson, Jesus was a wise person,

01:18:00.400 had a lot of good things to say,

01:18:02.260 but the religious dimensions of him

01:18:05.980 was denied in that compilation of his book.

01:18:09.780 That's why I didn't call him Jesus Christ,

01:18:11.760 which means Jesus the anointed one, Jesus of Nazareth.

01:18:14.720 So, one can embrace the existence of Jesus.

01:18:18.760 By the way, there's some people who doubt it,

01:18:20.040 but I don't have the energy to go that way.

01:18:24.600 I don't have, if he's fine, he exists fine in person, right?

01:18:27.560 So, what I'm saying is his existence or not

01:18:32.560 is a very different issue from whether you wanna say

01:18:35.920 somebody created the universe and is in charge of things.

01:18:39.760 Can biblical explanations of the universe

01:18:41.920 and scientific explanations of the universe

01:18:44.000 both be true?

01:18:45.720 The history of that exercise

01:18:47.300 really has not boded well for the Bible.

01:18:50.620 Okay.

01:18:51.300 It's, if you go to the Bible

01:18:55.140 and deduce something about how the universe must be

01:18:58.820 based on the Bible,

01:19:00.480 and then make a prediction about the world,

01:19:04.260 not a post-diction, a prediction,

01:19:07.020 because that's how science works at its best,

01:19:09.840 Anytime anyone has done that, it has shown to be false.

01:19:14.720 So the record is not there.

01:19:17.840 Enlightened religious people today

01:19:19.540 don't use the Bible as a science textbook.

01:19:22.060 They use it as a source of inspiration

01:19:23.400 and a source of moral compass,

01:19:26.900 even though there's a lot of stuff in there

01:19:29.060 you wouldn't do today because sensibility.

01:19:31.660 Like if your kids disrespect you,

01:19:33.360 you will not stone them, okay?

01:19:35.100 That's in the Bible.

01:19:36.360 The things you just, you know.

01:19:38.120 read the Bible

01:19:40.860 why are you asking me about God

01:19:42.420 you haven't read the Bible

01:19:43.380 it's not my name on the show

01:19:44.360 that was good

01:19:50.120 going back quickly to

01:19:51.980 and you know Joan of Arc

01:19:53.160 burned at the stake

01:19:55.080 but things were very different

01:19:58.600 in those times

01:19:59.300 I want to ask you this quickly

01:20:00.320 do you know if you read the transcripts

01:20:04.700 because the Catholic Church keeps very good records

01:20:06.920 if you read the transcript

01:20:07.880 Do you know like a third of why they built a case against her?

01:20:13.300 It was for cross-dressing.

01:20:15.000 What?

01:20:15.800 That's what I'm saying.

01:20:17.080 That's what I'm saying.

01:20:17.920 So why?

01:20:18.720 Because in the Bible, in Leviticus, there's the line.

01:20:22.220 If a man dons the clothes of a woman or a woman don the clothes of a man,

01:20:26.300 it is an abomination unto the Lord thy God.

01:20:30.180 Wow.

01:20:30.680 And they said, let's use that because she's not dressing in a skirt.

01:20:34.140 She's not leading soldiers into battle side saddle.

01:20:37.880 okay? And so she's like

01:20:39.740 the first, you know,

01:20:41.620 there she is. And so they...

01:20:43.580 Dude, I've been dressing...

01:20:44.460 I've been dressing up like a woman

01:20:47.000 since I was like 10.

01:20:49.580 It's an abomination to the...

01:20:51.300 Let's keep the cross... Neil, let's keep the crossbusters

01:20:53.780 out of this for a second, alright? You have to cherry pick

01:20:55.540 the Bible to say

01:20:57.500 that it is your moral compass.

01:20:59.780 Who pushed the button for the Big Bang?

01:21:01.600 Commonly held belief in science community

01:21:03.520 of the Big Bang. We don't know. It's a frontier of science.

01:21:05.960 But what's a... I think I know, Neil.

01:21:07.360 i think i know who i don't think i know who i think i know how oh all right i think the universe

01:21:15.740 will collapse on itself and at one point make another one and i think i think it's happening

01:21:19.760 more than once outside of our universe forever thing i think started the cycle we don't know

01:21:23.200 it's a frontier i'm asking you theoretically so the the the latest best guesses that's really

01:21:30.400 all they are extending quantum physics into that realm and quantum physics has been really really

01:21:35.620 really successful as a theory of the universe uh it tells us that our universe is likely just one

01:21:42.760 of many in what we call the multiverse like an infinite number of these just getting cranked out

01:21:48.620 each with slightly different laws of physics the laws of physics that would enable life as we know

01:21:53.080 it are in this universe that's why we are here speaking together are we it's why it's possible

01:22:02.060 at all. We are not having this podcast

01:22:04.140 in another universe where the laws of physics

01:22:06.120 didn't allow matter to form.

01:22:08.660 But that pushes

01:22:10.100 the question back. What started the multiverse?

01:22:12.680 We don't know. It's a frontier.

01:22:14.760 Learn to love the questions

01:22:15.920 themselves. If you must have

01:22:18.080 an answer every place you go,

01:22:19.920 you're not very useful in the lab. I'm asking it as a

01:22:22.060 question, but does it not at least

01:22:24.240 lead you to believe?

01:22:25.140 I got five more minutes. Last question.

01:22:28.000 Last part of it. Does it not at least

01:22:30.060 lead you to believe, based on what you know

01:22:32.680 once again about your own backyard,

01:22:34.920 that something, someone, or some entity

01:22:37.500 has to be responsible for the ignition of said sequence.

01:22:40.820 I will never say anything has to be anything.

01:22:43.420 I will just simply say, we don't know.

01:22:46.760 Got it.

01:22:48.040 At least you're agnostic and not atheist.

01:22:50.420 No, no, I'm not.

01:22:50.860 I'm a Christian man, Neil.

01:22:52.020 But I also respect science.

01:22:55.220 So my agnosticism, let me be more precise there.

01:22:58.620 in a day one might have accurately called me an atheist

01:23:04.040 however the most visible atheists today

01:23:07.000 are defining the emergent understanding of the word

01:23:11.580 for people who are experiencing

01:23:14.420 or seeing atheism for the first time

01:23:16.600 and the dictionary doesn't define the language

01:23:19.800 contrary to how we typically think about it

01:23:23.200 it describes words as they have come to be used

01:23:28.300 So atheists today, I'll give an example.

01:23:31.780 I had a Facebook post.

01:23:33.500 A friend of mine went up on the shuttle to fix the Hubble telescope,

01:23:36.640 to service the Hubble telescope.

01:23:37.500 That's cool.

01:23:38.020 And so I said, my friend is up there, Godspeed, space shuttle,

01:23:45.440 I forgot the number, STS-117, whatever was the number.

01:23:49.460 And I had people responding, Godspeed, I thought you were an atheist.

01:23:53.380 so if you think I'm an atheist

01:23:57.000 and I use that word

01:23:58.340 and it defies your understanding of me

01:24:01.620 I must not therefore be an atheist

01:24:03.820 okay this continued

01:24:06.440 and when I finally confronted this group

01:24:08.820 because I got a humanist award

01:24:10.380 in front of a room full of atheists

01:24:11.680 and I said I posted this

01:24:14.000 and everybody said I thought you were an atheist

01:24:15.440 I said by the way

01:24:16.360 has anyone in this room used the word goodbye

01:24:18.460 and they said yeah we all have

01:24:19.940 that is a contraction of God be with you

01:24:22.000 which is what used to tell people when they left the city walls

01:24:24.960 because you needed protection between cities

01:24:28.000 because that's where highway robbers were, okay?

01:24:33.300 So Godspeed is traceable to John Glenn.

01:24:36.540 When he went up in space, the risk factor there is how fast you're going.

01:24:40.660 He's going five miles per second.

01:24:42.880 So Godspeed.

01:24:44.680 It's a space-age version of God be with you, which itself became goodbye.

01:24:50.300 I have no hesitation using that word as out of respect for the history of the space program and just for what it means in your sentiment and your emotions shared upon others who are about to enter a dangerous situation.

01:25:03.360 And not only that, I'm a big fan of B.C. and A.D.

01:25:07.940 Okay?

01:25:08.680 Atheists will use B.C.E. and C.E.

01:25:10.860 You know about this?

01:25:11.720 Yeah.

01:25:12.060 I'm not going to use those.

01:25:13.480 It's common era and before.

01:25:14.720 I'm not going to use it.

01:25:15.600 Why?

01:25:16.040 Because A.D. and B.C., Anno Domini, it's Latin for the year of our Lord.

01:25:21.720 B.C. is before Christ, okay?

01:25:24.100 So, because one is English, one is Latin.

01:25:27.520 That's a little weird.

01:25:28.400 But anyhow, there we are.

01:25:30.920 The calendar we use, the Gregorian calendar,

01:25:33.360 was established by the Catholic Church under Pope Gregory in the year 1582.

01:25:40.080 1582.

01:25:41.220 He saw a problem with the calendar, with the Julian calendar,

01:25:44.100 because spring was shifting in March

01:25:47.260 and Easter was going to land on Passover.

01:25:50.820 Can't have that

01:25:51.540 because you've got to distinguish Christianity from Judaism.

01:25:54.280 So he got together his smartest people, the Jesuits,

01:25:57.020 before the telescope was invented.

01:25:59.020 And they figured out what the problem was with the calendar

01:26:01.000 and they fixed it.

01:26:02.960 They had to take 10 days out of the calendar,

01:26:05.560 reset when Easter would be,

01:26:07.420 and that is the calendar we still use today.

01:26:10.540 That's great.

01:26:11.180 I tip my hat to the brilliance of how they figured out

01:26:14.060 Earth's movement around the sun at a time

01:26:16.300 when we still thought the sun went around the

01:26:18.220 Earth. Holy shit.

01:26:20.660 So I give credit

01:26:22.080 where credit is due. I'm using ADNPC.

01:26:23.640 Hey, you said holy shit.

01:26:26.800 Oh, should I say that?

01:26:28.000 If I'm an atheist? Plus, my favorite

01:26:30.160 Broadway musical of all time is

01:26:31.900 Jesus Christ Superstar. I saw that.

01:26:33.860 I saw it in first run. His favorite's Book of

01:26:36.100 Mormon. Is that right? Yeah, okay.

01:26:37.840 Have you seen it? Yes, I have. So good.

01:26:39.780 Back when, what's his face was in it? Josh, the actor.

01:26:42.540 Josh Allen. Yeah, yeah.

01:26:43.540 Josh Allen, the fucking quarterback for the Bills.

01:26:46.620 Josh Gatt, the hemorrhage guy, when he was in it.

01:26:50.900 So I saw when Ben Vereen played Judas.

01:26:54.560 So that's that.

01:26:55.400 My favorite music of all time is Bach's Mass in B minor.

01:27:00.720 So atheists generally don't carry on that way.

01:27:03.760 Can we have you back on, Neil?

01:27:05.420 I'm going to tell you.

01:27:06.140 You've got to come back.

01:27:06.820 Can we have you back on?

01:27:08.320 Oh, back on.

01:27:09.000 Yeah, you've got to come back on.

01:27:09.800 Where are you based?

01:27:10.660 Where do you do this?

01:27:11.200 All over.

01:27:11.900 We'll come to you.

01:27:12.480 Can we please do a

01:27:13.280 This is a five hour podcast

01:27:14.380 Yeah

01:27:14.600 No joke

01:27:15.340 We could do this forever

01:27:15.920 But we have a government official

01:27:17.420 Can I ask one more question

01:27:18.860 This is my last question

01:27:19.760 Okay

01:27:20.020 I once said on this podcast

01:27:21.200 That I'd like to die on Mars

01:27:23.380 If slash when I die

01:27:25.540 Theo Vaughn said

01:27:26.440 He told me

01:27:27.020 That is a very rich person thing to say

01:27:29.080 I'd like to spend a trillion dollars

01:27:31.940 Go to Mars and die

01:27:32.700 Yeah yeah yeah

01:27:33.340 Well you know I don't know

01:27:34.480 My wife has since convinced me otherwise

01:27:36.560 Earth is pretty great

01:27:37.840 But

01:27:38.180 Marriage will do that

01:27:39.000 Yeah

01:27:39.300 I want to stay here

01:27:40.300 You're freshly married aren't you

01:27:41.520 Freshly

01:27:41.820 You're welcome to the Institute.

01:27:42.800 They will also sometimes make you want to die on Mars.

01:27:47.280 But I heard you say to Stephen.

01:27:48.380 Not yet.

01:27:48.940 He's still doing that.

01:27:50.040 I heard you say to Stephen Bartlett, there's a 0% chance we're going to get to another planet in this lifetime.

01:27:55.020 If we go, it's because it's someone's vanity project.

01:27:58.220 Or because, no, there's more context there.

01:28:01.400 Or because we are very geopolitically reactive.

01:28:05.240 If China says they want to put military bases on Mars.

01:28:07.740 We're going to Mars.

01:28:08.200 We're going to Mars in 10 months.

01:28:09.280 If that doesn't happen.

01:28:10.540 We only went to the moon.

01:28:11.380 I told you why we went to the moon

01:28:12.560 it's not because

01:28:13.420 oh we're explorers

01:28:14.840 we're discovering

01:28:15.360 it's in our DNA

01:28:16.580 we were geopolitically

01:28:18.580 forced

01:28:19.540 into that

01:28:20.660 to show the world

01:28:21.540 who we were

01:28:22.160 versus our godless

01:28:23.660 common

01:28:24.300 you don't think Elon

01:28:25.180 would want to get it done

01:28:26.160 he'll want to

01:28:26.900 but

01:28:27.520 he's going to take money

01:28:29.000 from SpaceX

01:28:29.560 and just do it

01:28:30.720 how does the meeting

01:28:32.500 he can fund it himself

01:28:34.000 but it's not a business case

01:28:35.560 it's not

01:28:36.880 he wants to

01:28:37.960 terraform Mars

01:28:39.240 move there

01:28:40.080 ship a billion people

01:28:41.160 and that's a whole thing.

01:28:42.360 That only happens if there's motivation.

01:28:45.520 It's not whether it's possible scientifically or technically.

01:28:48.260 Like I said, we have an SUV-sized rover there.

01:28:50.440 You can certainly send a person.

01:28:51.800 That's not the issue.

01:28:52.940 The issue is, why would you do it?

01:28:56.860 Okay?

01:28:57.400 Is it a vanity project?

01:29:00.580 He could pool his half a trillion dollars together with Jeff Bezos

01:29:03.760 and they can have a vanity project and send someone to Mars.

01:29:07.120 All the world will pay attention

01:29:08.760 And it would be an important news event, an important achievement, but it won't become a regular thing unless there's a geopolitical reason for it, which is why we didn't stay on the moon, because we looked over our shoulder.

01:29:21.860 And you know who wasn't there?

01:29:22.980 The Russians.

01:29:25.420 Got them.

01:29:27.140 So, yeah.

01:29:28.040 So we got to the moon, and the competition was over.

01:29:31.040 Apollo 18, which never flew because we stopped the program, it's in captivity in Huntsville.

01:29:37.920 Yeah.

01:29:38.680 It's in Huntsville

01:29:40.000 Rocket Center, Space and Rocket

01:29:42.220 Center, on its side.

01:29:44.360 Space-worthy parts that never flew

01:29:46.100 because we stopped going. So,

01:29:48.580 I didn't want to just sound blunt and say

01:29:50.300 0% chance. What I'm saying is, there are

01:29:52.380 reasons we would go. It wouldn't be

01:29:54.300 the reasons anyone is currently talking

01:29:56.220 about right now. I see. Amazing.

01:29:58.240 I know you got

01:30:00.400 an important next guest.

01:30:02.400 No, you have something.

01:30:03.580 I got a thing downstairs. That's what I'm saying.

01:30:06.620 But you got a politician coming.

01:30:07.920 Oh, we do, yeah.

01:30:08.540 Okay, so we can't get in the way of that.

01:30:11.120 Have him fix the world, okay?

01:30:12.740 He's going to send us to Mars.

01:30:14.780 Oh, so here's what I want to do.

01:30:17.760 When I die, I don't want to die on Mars.

01:30:19.840 I want to die falling into a black hole,

01:30:22.160 reporting back my findings.

01:30:24.240 That's a great one.

01:30:25.140 That way you do that, you're going to get spaghettified.

01:30:27.340 You get spaghettified.

01:30:29.320 And I'll talk about it while it happens

01:30:31.140 until my last day, man.

01:30:32.860 That's great.

01:30:33.480 Oh, I'm a fusilli instead of...

01:30:35.800 Wow.

01:30:37.300 My last words.

01:30:38.840 I love it.

01:30:39.740 I love it.

01:30:40.400 As I twist my way in.

01:30:41.520 So, yeah, but be productive in your death.

01:30:44.880 Okay.

01:30:45.860 Don't just go somewhere and die.

01:30:47.060 That's great.

01:30:47.600 Yeah, perform an experiment in the progress.

01:30:49.620 Dude, I enjoyed it.

01:30:50.620 Thanks, man.

01:30:51.120 Dude, Neil, this was such a delight.

01:30:53.140 Thank you so much.

01:30:54.880 Can you come back, please?

01:30:55.800 And thank you to the Four Seasons for having us here.

01:30:58.280 Four Seasons Hotel right here in the middle.

01:31:00.040 Plus, we didn't even talk wrestling or anything.

01:31:02.000 Nothing, Neil.

01:31:02.480 I used to wrestle, dude.

01:31:03.500 Can you come back, please?

01:31:04.300 I was undefeated in high school.

01:31:06.380 Captain of my team.

01:31:07.440 I knew this.

01:31:08.160 Until I went to college.

01:31:10.240 And then I wrestled guys who were corn-fed from Iowa.

01:31:13.540 Yeah, really good.

01:31:15.360 That's a whole other nother.

01:31:16.360 I knew this about you, actually.

01:31:17.200 That's another nother.

01:31:18.380 And I have deep respect for all of that.

01:31:19.960 But I still wrestled with a losing record in college.

01:31:22.800 Because I wrestled not because I was good, which I was in high school,

01:31:26.140 but because I enjoyed the sport.

01:31:27.660 And I enjoyed it.

01:31:28.240 Tough sport.

01:31:28.660 Yeah, and I enjoyed it.

01:31:29.600 Dude, this has been great.

01:31:31.220 Neil deGrasse Tyson, ladies and gentlemen.

01:31:32.500 Thank you so much.

01:31:34.900 Like and subscribe.

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01:31:44.040 by the way

01:31:44.500 that's cool

01:31:45.120 I saw the images

01:31:46.260 they're great

01:32:05.740 All the nitty gritty stuff we all think about, but just don't say out loud.

01:32:09.020 You're probably just going to be some rich guy and he's going to whisk you away.

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Impaulsive with Logan Paul - November 11, 2025

Neil deGrasse Tyson & Logan Paul Debate God’s Existence, Why Elon Cant Go to Mars, Exposes Moon Hoax

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