Impaulsive with Logan Paul - WWE CEO Nick Khan on John Cena’s Last Match, EXPOSES Green Shirt Guy, Jake Paul VS Anthony Joshua

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00:00:28.460 Ladies and gentlemen, it's Nick Kahn

00:00:31.140 President of WWE

00:00:32.740 Some people are saying that he is quickly becoming the face of the WWE

00:00:36.520 Once you sit with Logan, you know he has star power

00:00:39.680 There's all the upside in the world

00:00:41.220 And so far, everyone's been right

00:00:42.880 This green shirt guy has really annoyed you

00:00:44.780 I saw some lore

00:00:45.580 That green shirt guy accidentally got struck during an event like years ago

00:00:49.620 And in order to like not sue the company

00:00:51.300 The company was like, you get front row seats

00:00:53.020 So, but you see Anthony Joshua biting your brother in a couple weeks 0.99

00:00:58.180 I think it shows that Jake has balls. 0.97

00:01:00.560 You gonna put a little bet in on him? 0.99

00:01:02.000 No.

00:01:02.680 No.

00:01:03.260 Heyman said, you know, who was that masked man?

00:01:05.480 Wait, who was the masked man?

00:01:06.860 We'll see.

00:01:07.500 We'll see.

00:01:08.300 There's not been a dispute with John Cena since he announced his retirement tour.

00:01:12.820 Can you give us any candidates on the final?

00:01:14.800 You've seen the people who are in the tournament now.

00:01:16.560 I want it to be whoever the masked guy was.

00:01:18.380 John won't mind me saying this.

00:01:20.140 I said, give me your feelings on Logan.

00:01:21.920 Called me maybe an hour or two after the match.

00:01:24.360 And he said.

00:01:28.180 how you feeling from yesterday um dude i'm actually pretty good okay what what are we rolling

00:01:40.840 he's instructing mike's instructing me not to talk to you until the show has started okay

00:01:47.660 sometimes the good stuff it's the best stuff with the guests like no cameras off air before

00:01:54.420 where the show starts yeah so we try to stop but um and you guys go air force one here i see is

00:01:59.540 that normally i wouldn't but i wore them today just because i don't know oh oh the air always

00:02:04.600 works the air uh line lost my bag last night flying back from jfk oh misery has that ever

00:02:10.160 happened to you yes terrible they're like we'll get it back to as soon as i'm like dude what if 0.98

00:02:15.260 i have medicine in there that i'm gonna die if i would i wear tomorrow morning yeah same shit as 0.96

00:02:19.580 last night yeah tell him the air force one story please oh about me my air force one story yo 0.97

00:02:28.480 so we met we met nelly one time on like a party bus going to super bowl and uh i don't think logan

00:02:37.600 like really understood like nelly's like impact on i loved him in longest yard it's a long time

00:02:43.120 he told nelly he like just completely like by happens like by chance he was like yeah you know

00:02:50.020 whenever i buy air force ones i always buy like what he said like i always buy three jeff every

00:02:54.700 time like i go through like three in a week so give me like three pairs he's like give me like

00:03:00.440 i'm sitting next to nelly and he goes i don't even know if nick knows that reference of that song

00:03:07.100 this makes me feel fucking fantastic yeah this is fantastic i know the reference

00:03:12.080 But you didn't know it was Nelly 0.87

00:03:15.540 Bro I'm telling Nelly

00:03:16.960 I'm telling Nelly I'm like dude

00:03:18.520 Man I always gotta have like two or three pairs

00:03:21.260 Of Air Force One

00:03:22.100 You said Jeff give me three pairs

00:03:24.080 I'm like cause they get dirty

00:03:25.800 Yeah I didn't get it all 1.00

00:03:29.280 He goes motherfucker I'm the reason you're wearing 0.99

00:03:31.300 Air Force Ones I was like I don't know 1.00

00:03:33.320 What you're saying bro

00:03:34.540 Take it easy

00:03:35.840 By the way how about Jeff's so rich now he doesn't even wear

00:03:39.320 Shoes that everyone knows

00:03:40.500 damn what company are those they only sell them in italy i'm sure 0.74

00:03:45.360 shoes nobody knows you know they're so fancy that only a limited 0.99

00:03:52.080 what are they like golden goose or something like that

00:03:55.040 unreal hey nick you know what's crazy well first off hold up let me do an intro for you

00:04:01.880 all right uh look so some people watch you know the wwe or impulsive uh various programs that we

00:04:12.880 put out there and you know a lot of the time that they're saying stuff like logan you're so cool

00:04:18.280 and humble and just overall great man you must do whatever you want and you you don't answer

00:04:24.360 to anybody logan and that's totally true but there is one person that i do answer to

00:04:30.380 And he's our guest today

00:04:32.180 Ladies and gentlemen, it's Nick Khan

00:04:33.920 Thank you for having me

00:04:37.800 President of WWE

00:04:39.300 And by the way, I gotta say

00:04:41.460 I don't feel that you answer to anybody

00:04:43.300 I feel you answer to yourself

00:04:44.700 And you hold yourself responsible

00:04:46.500 And you've built an empire

00:04:48.100 Along with Mike and other folks on your team

00:04:50.620 Thank you

00:04:51.200 All credit to you

00:04:52.100 Over the course of like 10 years

00:04:54.620 It's been a minute

00:04:55.360 It's been a long run

00:04:56.560 For sure, dude

00:04:57.580 I'm 51

00:04:59.420 like i think you guys got to la and everything in 13 2015 2015 i got here so a mere 10 years later

00:05:08.240 except my representation that's nothing in the big scheme of things you've built what you've

00:05:13.640 built in the internet world that's like 10 centuries i got it people come and go like

00:05:18.540 every week here so to be in the space for like nine ten years is like kind of a a long run but

00:05:24.540 But for you, I mean, you were an usher at WrestleMania 9, so.

00:05:29.000 This is true.

00:05:29.740 You've been at the game for a while.

00:05:31.080 Why do you laugh at me being a working man?

00:05:33.080 No, just because before you walked in, we were watching the clip of you being an usher.

00:05:37.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:38.380 At like, what?

00:05:39.880 That was like early 2000s or so?

00:05:42.200 No, it was 1993, dude.

00:05:43.720 Wow.

00:05:44.000 Long time ago.

00:05:45.140 That was my first or second year in college.

00:05:47.680 He wasn't born yet.

00:05:48.680 Yep.

00:05:48.980 He was born in 95, right?

00:05:50.540 Yeah, 95.

00:05:51.420 Yep.

00:05:51.980 Wow.

00:05:52.180 So you were little.

00:05:52.640 So I was 93.

00:05:53.680 I was going to UNLV, which, according to the Wall Street Journal, out of 500 colleges is ranked like 480th.

00:06:01.580 So if your kid, if your daughter can't get into the top 479, call me.

00:06:05.840 Okay.

00:06:06.280 I'll help. 0.96

00:06:06.640 Or maybe she shouldn't be going to college. 1.00

00:06:09.280 Shout out to any UNLV grads watching this right now.

00:06:14.160 All respect to UNLV.

00:06:16.040 So I was working full time at a restaurant, and there was an ad.

00:06:19.680 You used to get jobs in the newspaper, the classified ads.

00:06:22.440 so there's an ad in the paper hey watch the biggest and best events and get paid to do it

00:06:26.960 and i was like is this like some sort of like porn ad or like what what is this but i worked

00:06:31.900 wrestlemania 9 which was at caesar's palace it was sort of my first exposure as something

00:06:36.240 other than a fan to the wwe's business and uh you know that's where it all started is it really

00:06:42.640 like and that's a genuine question was something about the event like mesmerizing to you in a way

00:06:48.940 where you felt like this would be your calling later in life?

00:06:52.680 I don't know that I thought it would be my calling,

00:06:54.500 but I know that I was mesmerized by how spectacular everything looked.

00:06:58.100 And at that time, so growing up in Las Vegas,

00:07:00.800 you know, the only professional sport then was really boxing.

00:07:03.820 So you'd get to see that,

00:07:05.360 and you saw a lot of things that were done wrong at those events.

00:07:08.700 And I thought that the WWE or WWF at the time

00:07:11.640 nailed WrestleMania 9.

00:07:13.600 The production quality, the time of day that it started,

00:07:16.460 daytime rather than boxing which starts so so late uh as you know you know from your fights um

00:07:22.780 so it was certainly something that inspired me and something that I liked but no I didn't think

00:07:26.700 that I'd necessarily end up at WWE it's crazy how life just works out sometimes in that way and how

00:07:32.680 like moments that you don't think will be like a defining moment of your life or or like something

00:07:38.900 that will come full circle um happens like even when you were working at CAA the first time that

00:07:46.280 you got a call from triple h was there ever a thought of like oh my god we're gonna be like

00:07:51.240 partners one day working together to run this company together well but he is truly my partner

00:07:56.020 as you just identified at at wwe no never thought of it and look at all the research you've done

00:08:01.660 like all your podcasts you guys do amazing research on your your guests we have a team

00:08:05.920 that helps as well but we try our best it's pat he makes a pdf yeah i also have it right here so

00:08:10.920 if i need to i'll just scroll it it works uh by the way mike you came from milford connecticut

00:08:17.680 to la like that's a pretty bold move when he when he talks about you and triple h and like this like

00:08:23.540 moment that just kind of happened like i think back to him texting me about love sack and asking

00:08:28.180 like hey man like what's the deal i was working on the brand side at this furniture company in

00:08:32.140 stanford connecticut stanford connecticut right down the street and you know he asked me a question

00:08:36.060 about it and now i look now and it's like having interviewed every you know every person in the

00:08:40.940 world and sitting presidents and and business leaders it's it's wild how your ability to

00:08:46.540 harness a a chance moment in your life or or an opportunity or even a piece of luck can turn into

00:08:52.580 this great thing and i and i guess like you're a you're a uh a point of that that shows that you

00:08:58.360 know and taking advantage of it look i i think you know i always say to young folks if they ask me

00:09:02.740 if you're given the opportunity to do something go do it don't say no don't say i'm tired don't

00:09:09.440 say it might be boring just go yeah and what's the worst thing that could have happened when you

00:09:13.500 moved to la like it didn't work i moved back correct yeah you know okay so you move back

00:09:17.960 you start again you come up and you learn from it and you move forward i think los angeles and i

00:09:23.680 would put miami in this category now i think and this was not my original thought on los angeles

00:09:29.120 just so we're clear there was a billionaire who i did not know this is a public comment of his

00:09:33.900 named eli brode who passed away a couple years ago when i was in law school in orange county

00:09:38.920 california i read a quote from him it said la is the last great meritocracy it doesn't matter who

00:09:44.700 your dad is it doesn't matter where you went to school if you go and you work hard and you get

00:09:49.600 a little bit of luck it might just work out for you and i found that to hold true in la i think

00:09:54.420 Miami has much become that way as well it still kind of holds for LA a little bit too because

00:09:59.440 it used to be like the old school traditionality of like acting and you could show up work hard

00:10:04.360 be super talented even though you come from nothing and now it's kind of switched over to

00:10:08.900 social media a lot but a lot of that framework still exists to come out here and do something

00:10:13.320 although we get a terrible rap nowadays people love to talk well it's just the crime is pretty

00:10:20.260 crazy he had that fire things are catching on fire which sucks and i feel like the city was

00:10:26.520 i don't want to get sued here but like people are saying the city was like potentially negligent in

00:10:32.800 that scenario like yeah but there's probably mike had a house that got robbed like four times

00:10:38.120 listen i've seen the ring camera footage he came out with a gun in his boxers we haven't talked

00:10:44.220 about that any of that yet we should we'll do the deep dive soon but go ahead listen i here's what

00:10:48.680 tell you on that number one i've lived here for 25 years i saw it go down to where it is now so

00:10:55.040 it's not what it was uh i think not by the firefighters in my opinion there was total

00:11:02.000 ineptitude in terms of that fire total ineptitude so when i heard quotes from city officials after

00:11:08.740 saying uh you know we weren't prepared for a fire of that scale this is second biggest city in the

00:11:14.660 country what would you think was going to happen just so you were prepared for a little brush fire

00:11:18.400 Like, that's it? Like, what are you prepared for? So I didn't like that. I didn't like, you know, how the government officials handled it after that. And I thought it was a shame, you know, that so many folks, obviously, lives were lost, homes were lost. At my son, Sonny's school, 25% of his classmates, their homes were wiped out.

00:11:37.860 Oh, my God.

00:11:38.620 So we live in what I consider the safe and sound part of the Palisades.

00:11:42.560 Right at the beginning of it, we got lucky.

00:11:45.100 We were merely inconvenienced.

00:11:46.580 But for so many folks who we knew, they were wiped out and, you know, weren't prepared for it.

00:11:52.220 Like, what is that?

00:11:53.120 Yeah.

00:11:53.780 Doesn't make any sense.

00:11:55.000 Makes no sense.

00:11:55.480 I mean, every city has problems.

00:11:57.660 And I think on a lot of the stuff, people have politicized it.

00:12:02.140 It's become, you know, like this representation of, like, blue America.

00:12:05.860 and so like it gets a bad rap on that like kind of side of the internet we definitely have our

00:12:10.380 issues but I still like to believe that LA is just an incredible city it's incredible listen

00:12:14.060 I'm here I'm raising my children here you know with my wife there's a reason for that I do think

00:12:19.860 in LA it used to be all viewpoints were encouraged and I like that you know in certain smaller cities

00:12:27.440 or you know cities that you know maybe are a little more conservative socially it's hey you

00:12:33.460 got to be like us to fit in i never thought it was that way in la i still don't think it is

00:12:37.780 outside of the people who went sort of wacky left you know far far left which i don't think any of

00:12:42.920 us who are reasonable agree with that nonsense oh of course not yeah i get it who defines reasonable

00:12:47.820 i get all of that but i think we see it the same way i think that like no unreasonable is changing

00:12:53.600 too because i thought originally that it was kind of unreasonable that he was going to be in the wwe

00:12:58.940 and now some people are saying that he is quickly becoming the face of the wwe what do you what do

00:13:04.400 you think about that listen when the executive who first brought logan paul up to me triple h

00:13:12.620 and the founder of the company said hey we should give him a shot he wants to wrestle

00:13:17.220 the first thing we always look for and it applies to logan who's now full-time with us

00:13:22.600 performing at an extremely high level it applies to bad bunny it applies to people who have come

00:13:28.380 in tyson fury would he first of all they have to be a fan if they're just doing it because as

00:13:35.060 younger folks would say i don't know this might be a data term they're chasing cloud or something

00:13:39.140 like this we don't want them right if you love it we're open to the conversation and once you sit

00:13:46.060 with logan you know he has star power you saw everything he had done you you know one of the

00:13:52.860 advantages the advantage from this point of view and the disadvantage from you or someone like

00:13:57.880 your point of view is you got to grow up on camera, right? So I liked the way you responded

00:14:05.000 to any perceived mistakes that you made in life. That's what people are supposed to do when they're

00:14:10.020 young. They're not supposed to have all the answers to this stuff. Even when you're older,

00:14:14.280 you're not supposed to have all the answers to this stuff. So from our point of view was this

00:14:18.040 is a mature young man, certainly athletic. If he comes down to the performance center and does

00:14:23.360 what we think he can do there's all the upside in the world and so far everyone's been right

00:14:28.640 yeah so far so good i'm not sure it's one of those things you can just do for clout

00:14:34.080 because like after that first bump you're gonna realize you know it's not worth it you gotta be

00:14:39.560 like gotta have some screws loose look it go ahead please sorry i was gonna say when like

00:14:43.960 sometimes i'll be sitting in gorilla and i'm looking around at my peers and the executives

00:14:48.700 and like i also really like the vibe at wwe like it is such a fun place to it's just like everyone

00:14:55.620 is everyone is the same but different and they all bring something equal to the table and

00:15:00.980 i have the saying i like i think about it often when i'm like in gorilla with the guys and i'm

00:15:05.380 just like we're all here because we're not all there i love that i feel like i feel like everyone

00:15:12.200 in wwe was like a little bit of like a delinquent a rebel in some way and um ended up in this spot

00:15:17.920 And I'm still very much the new-ish guy, but it does feel like a family.

00:15:25.640 It is.

00:15:26.640 That's the environment you guys have cultivated.

00:15:28.540 Well, it's kind of you to say that.

00:15:29.760 It's important to me.

00:15:30.600 It's important to Triple H.

00:15:31.840 It's important to our senior leadership.

00:15:34.520 We're not saving children here.

00:15:36.820 Like we're putting on a wrestling event.

00:15:38.640 Yeah.

00:15:39.040 And we're trying to make fans go crazy about it.

00:15:41.520 And the only way to do that is with amazing wrestlers and amazing creative team and amazing

00:15:46.560 producers which i think we have so to to me when you came in number one i thought you were

00:15:52.280 completely deferential to the people who more established in the business you were the new kid

00:15:57.380 at wwe and the first thing they do at the performance center you may remember is say hey

00:16:03.280 i want to show you what a flatback is yeah some people as you just said they take that first

00:16:07.780 flatback and they said this is not for me like let me just be a surprise manager or referee or

00:16:13.220 something like that you did it jelly roll to his credit when he came in boom he was taking every

00:16:20.100 shot that he could take and then you wait to see the second day do they come back do they say hey

00:16:26.240 again i'll be a manager or something like that and neither you nor jelly nor bunny nor anyone

00:16:33.080 else who's come in has done it anything less than with a full-time effort i'm going to this to the

00:16:38.540 surprise manager camp dude yeah i took one in saudi and i was like dude how do i become paul

00:16:44.280 heyman dude well by the way how about we have jeff levin king of the brass knuckles over here

00:16:48.180 oh man all of a sudden on camera and plays such a great role like sneaking up the little sneaky

00:16:53.340 guy with the best acting yeah yeah he's very good should bring him in yeah the knucks are a

00:16:59.020 thing now jeff and shout out to you for always being there for me i don't know about you guys

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00:18:19.320 Impulsive

00:18:20.100 I got a wise man I got the wise man to give you the

00:18:23.820 knuckles who's always there

00:18:25.160 um what's the deal there you guys like locked in now i i think so i think so yeah yeah i think so

00:18:34.400 like i think um i understand that this is a business where in a heartbeat there can be

00:18:44.080 betrayal and backstabs and um like life ironically wrestling is like a perfect mirror of life in the

00:18:52.780 most dramatic and theatrical fashion which is why i think the fans like it because there's like a

00:18:57.320 relatability to it with like archetypes and storylines and people trying to predict what's

00:19:03.100 going to happen and sometimes being wrong and sometimes being right but um look this this

00:19:08.360 industry is cutthroat like it it is actually cut cutthroat um and i i know people are probably 0.91

00:19:15.620 expecting me to you know do some scummy shit with with uh with my current team or like and i always 0.91

00:19:21.320 got my eyes peeled but like i like the group of guys that i'm currently aligned with in the vision 0.82

00:19:25.280 we we get along really well um not like uh not wrestling related just behind the scenes and so

00:19:32.440 uh i think if we if we choose to go forward as a team and as a unit with paul hayman by our side

00:19:39.280 like i i i honestly don't know who could get in our way well by the way there's two two things on

00:19:44.440 that number one wwe is life life is wwe they're both reflective of one another and in terms of

00:19:52.220 your current storyline i think i even watching the post show last night joe tessitore asked paul

00:19:57.840 hayman you know hey is logan a paul hayman guy and i think hayman said you know who was that

00:20:04.300 mass man or i didn't know how would i know yeah correct said it twice and wait who was the mass

00:20:10.320 man listen you got to watch watch the programming and you'll see tomorrow i don't know i don't know

00:20:15.980 i have an idea really not i don't know but i have an idea wait will this go well this goes out after

00:20:21.380 tomorrow i can say this no he was wearing i saw i saw i saw him when he walked in the door

00:20:26.800 that's what i was gonna say i saw him backstage and he had a mask on and eye paint on he not not

00:20:33.360 once did that person not have that mask and eye paint on i swear came out of the car this is not

00:20:39.680 to work so maybe nick doesn't even know who it is we'll see we'll see assume i know but assume

00:20:45.480 it doesn't matter what if it turns out being the guy sonny don't say anything either in the

00:20:49.600 green shirt guy broke yeah green shirt guy green shirt dude what's his deal what's the deal with

00:20:54.860 that deal with green shirt guy you didn't like those signs he had out at the one did you approve

00:20:58.860 them i didn't know about them until they were up but i think they were taken down shortly thereafter

00:21:02.820 dude he handed out like 50 flyers that said logan paul is an outsider and i knew it was him i knew

00:21:08.700 it it won't happen again by the way we we encourage signs as you know but i don't encourage

00:21:14.400 signs that try to make any of our performers feel less than oh that's unless it's their character

00:21:19.640 that's almost impossible with me especially because i'm so much more than most um fair enough

00:21:25.760 especially green shirt guy but what's his deal is he is he uh how does he always have a front

00:21:30.840 give us the lord so what one of the sister companies of wwe and ufc is on location which

00:21:36.560 is vip hospitality and entertainment so he pays for his seats he pays a premium for those seats

00:21:42.720 through on location and that's why he gets to be in the front row no way you know there's some

00:21:46.960 weird storylines that don't match that one right tell me what was it there was i saw i saw some

00:21:52.960 lore that green shirt guy supposedly like accidentally got struck during an event like

00:21:58.200 years ago no and in order to like not sue the company the company was like you get front row

00:22:02.800 seats for life no no definitely not we just killed all the lore i don't know if that was a reddit

00:22:08.440 thread i don't know it was definitely i want to ask you that how do you how do you like walk that

00:22:13.080 fine line between like having to tell it straight as it pertains to like the business perspective

00:22:18.340 and also like continuing to support like that that deep wwe lore like you just ruined so many

00:22:25.540 days i definitely did well listen we still didn't talk about mass man and we're not going to reveal

00:22:30.600 that right because that matters to our audience and our creative team right now but no there's

00:22:35.740 nothing like that on the legal side with him or anyone else yeah but man he must have bank like

00:22:41.340 what is a guy that's as goofy looking as him doing for a living that he can afford those kind of

00:22:46.180 seats listen he's in every he's at every event bro we had we exchanged words each time i'm in 0.87

00:22:51.300 the cage last night effing off green shirt guy him and he's looking at me like this i'm looking

00:22:57.260 him like this no one's walked no one's paying attention just me and him no we we saw it oh

00:23:02.460 really yeah but part of when i'm when i'm sitting at the events and as you know i have the good

00:23:07.900 fortune of of sitting you know pretty close but i'm watching what's going on ringside is anybody

00:23:14.220 hurt is anybody getting crazy i didn't like if you remember uh at barkley's a couple years ago

00:23:19.760 a fan ran out and tackled seth rollins yeah yeah we talked to him about it yeah you know that can't

00:23:25.340 happen and our security team i believe is elite and does great work but you know no one is is

00:23:30.440 bulletproof on this stuff yeah so you know oftentimes i find myself looking around looking

00:23:35.180 around looking around and not focusing on the matches and then i'll go home and watch the

00:23:39.760 matches that i didn't see super interesting so if i'm at gorilla i'm focused on the match

00:23:44.340 but usually when i'm ringside it's it's my attention's a little diverted well also as the

00:23:50.580 man in charge of all the things your focus isn't always on the product i i assume like

00:23:57.800 a lot of the times it's on like the consumers the crowd knowing your demographic and kind of like

00:24:03.320 watching the ripple effect of the show like i i could see how having your head on a swivel

00:24:08.220 is is a is is a better thing for you yeah look it starts and by the way i'm not the man in charge

00:24:14.360 whatever descriptive you generously gave it certainly seems the final boss i'm just a

00:24:19.160 Mid-level wrestling executive trying to make a good product for everyone.

00:24:22.260 Help make a good product for everyone.

00:24:23.480 This guy's way more humble than me.

00:24:24.520 I would call you the Bowser.

00:24:26.680 You know, are you familiar with Bowser from Mario?

00:24:28.920 Yes.

00:24:29.260 The final boss.

00:24:29.720 He's like the last guy.

00:24:30.860 In fact, we figured out prior to the show today, you're both of our bosses, technically.

00:24:35.940 At the end of the day, because we signed with Fanatics in WWE.

00:24:39.220 So at the end of the day, I mess up today.

00:24:42.060 I don't eat.

00:24:42.760 I don't pay rent.

00:24:43.840 My mom has to forfeit her car.

00:24:45.840 There's a lot.

00:24:46.600 Your dad's new car?

00:24:47.340 my dad's new truck that i just bought my new f-150 a lot of that stuff comes back to making sure

00:24:51.340 that you know everybody that's nice that you bought your dad a truck yeah that's a nice thing

00:24:56.260 i like when i hear stories it felt really good he was very happy at least at least i own no i

00:25:01.100 bought it for him really yeah cash yeah sick it was a wire dude i bought my dad wire fancy i know

00:25:07.640 he returned a lot more money no but he returned it and he bought a harley i know i remember that

00:25:12.200 and it really upset you a lot.

00:25:13.940 Well, because he didn't tell me.

00:25:15.120 Yeah, he was like, basically he was like, I don't like it.

00:25:17.680 It's like if I exchange all the socks my mom gave me on Christmas 1.00

00:25:20.140 for like a pogo stick. 1.00

00:25:21.360 Yeah, well, that's a good trade-off. 0.99

00:25:22.700 Yeah, that is a good trade-off until you knock your testicles off with it, 0.99

00:25:25.900 which, by the way, I've met your dad a couple times. 0.99

00:25:28.580 So sorry.

00:25:30.060 He's always been very polite to interact with.

00:25:32.320 Really?

00:25:32.760 But, you know, your show is big in my home,

00:25:35.300 not just with my daughter Natalie, with my son Sonny, who you know.

00:25:38.720 My wife loves your show as well.

00:25:40.480 This one?

00:25:40.760 you know the uh one with your brother oh oh oh oh the reality show yeah which showcases your

00:25:45.720 father yeah yeah very very much correct yeah you like it that much on the show listen i i i like

00:25:53.340 it yep my family loves it yeah a lot of people liked it i think that's awesome yeah well thanks

00:25:58.540 for the support yeah i did that much yeah let's talk after yeah did you have the same uh feelings

00:26:05.600 and sentiment towards the event last night how did you think it went how did you think the reaction

00:26:10.120 wise. So here's my observations of the event. So as soon as I get to the venue, usually I go to

00:26:14.600 the superstore. I have the good, I don't know if it's good fortune, but I get to see it from a

00:26:20.900 different point of view than you guys do. You guys are famous. I'm not. So I get to walk the

00:26:25.400 superstore and see what did we get right? What did we get wrong? I thought we nailed it last

00:26:29.640 night. Now there was a long line going into the superstore, which always annoys me, but that tends

00:26:34.920 to be a fire marshal thing. Annoys me because I don't want people waiting in line. I want them

00:26:38.460 come and get in buy our stuff go to the venue get in your seats and enjoy yourself but that's a fire

00:26:43.700 marshal thing so it's nothing anyone could have done about it but I liked the merchandise I like

00:26:48.900 the placement of the merchandise I like that the lines to purchase the merchandise inside were not

00:26:53.840 too long so I'm looking for things like that then when I go to the venue I'll walk the venue to take

00:26:58.960 a look at the merchandise things as well WWE controlled so when we first when I first started

00:27:03.960 there in august of 2020 it was pre-vaccine covid we were going from florida every week once we went

00:27:10.680 back out on the road summer of 21 i'd walk the venue i realized we were selling our t-shirts out

00:27:16.060 of the cardboard boxes that they came in like unacceptable unacceptable you'll see they're

00:27:21.480 sold out of a wwe black bin with the logo on it now i wouldn't want to buy something out of a

00:27:27.180 cardboard box i want it to look good when i purchase it right especially if you're asking

00:27:31.420 people to spend their hard-earned money so everything was good on that last night or at

00:27:36.320 at the survivor series and then you sort of walk in and walk the venue i didn't like that there

00:27:41.320 were white chairs on the what would be the baseball field and i get it they're a baseball stadium so

00:27:47.800 they're not built to have people on the grass if you will i didn't like white chairs especially

00:27:52.840 when people weren't in them i would have preferred black chairs so assume it just looks more full

00:27:58.040 white looked a little bit like um like banquety to me interesting just not really so you're in

00:28:05.160 the weeds yeah and any and any it seems like mid-level executive yeah well it seems like you

00:28:10.860 it seems like you behave that way which i think whenever you look at these uber successful

00:28:16.380 you know titans of industry and and and people that are in the role that you are they they they

00:28:21.740 tend to behave that way i think it's part of part of the game do you ever do you have people that

00:28:26.940 ever say to you like dude like stop man like this is not like you're going too far you're putting

00:28:32.660 too much time into things that don't matter i think there's many people who i work with at wwe 0.98

00:28:38.980 who say that but not to me okay yeah i'm sure what the fuck this guy's telling about the chair 0.95

00:28:44.480 what does it matter you know i also didn't like that the floor of again what was on the grass was 0.98

00:28:50.940 white we had a show in australia a couple years ago where there was a lot of white and it looked

00:28:55.940 empty like that should be gray or black but that's the way petco park wanted it we're not

00:29:01.620 going to fight with them about everything so no problem but the chairs we could have figured out

00:29:05.620 better ayo i'm sorry i used to do it in my vlogs it's the entrance for my theme song ayo i'm sorry

00:29:12.460 i got two shirts up on wwe shop fanatics right now i hate logan paul yes i am the one behind it

00:29:19.840 you're gonna monetize the haters and still humble because after all i am your humble king and i'm

00:29:24.480 to stay humble because i'm just that humble you can grab my shirts and all wwe merch hats

00:29:29.940 tees replica title belt superstar collections on wwe shop and fanatics get yours today

00:29:36.820 back to the show i asked you about the event and like i thought you'd go straight into like more

00:29:41.000 you know like the stuff that you would see on espn by the way sports center just glazing you dude

00:29:46.720 just putting out tweets like this logan paul is incredible doing this standing suplex pause suplex

00:29:52.100 and going to this all in the matter of 30s.

00:29:54.100 They love you, huh?

00:29:55.120 Disney loves you. ESPN loves you.

00:29:56.700 I'm not really sure what they're talking about.

00:29:57.960 That was light work.

00:29:58.800 Bizarre Vark.

00:29:59.580 Maybe from Bizarre Vark.

00:30:00.660 Bizarre Vark.

00:30:01.440 Did any of you guys watch Bizarre Vark?

00:30:03.820 That's crazy.

00:30:04.660 Mila, what did you think about Bizarre Vark?

00:30:06.720 I mean, I liked it.

00:30:07.500 I mean, I grew up watching it, so.

00:30:09.520 Really?

00:30:10.120 I grew up watching YouTube.

00:30:11.400 That's crazy.

00:30:12.680 That's...

00:30:13.200 Vine?

00:30:14.720 Holy smokes.

00:30:16.180 Vine and YouTube.

00:30:17.420 Whoa.

00:30:19.080 Wait, so you're the nephew, niece, niece.

00:30:22.100 yes got it got it exactly right why are they all so cool dude they all have like

00:30:26.040 cool bro you don't even know about sonny bro he's got an off-white shirt on you have no idea

00:30:31.040 sonny get up here for a second man yeah sonny come say hello yeah sonny yeah i don't i don't

00:30:36.600 know he does dude i'm gonna tell you all of this what's up he probably makes more off prime than i

00:30:41.320 do this he actually does he actually does this is sonny this is nick con's son the first i think

00:30:47.520 it was the first time i met you sonny you came in with a blazer on i didn't even know they made

00:30:51.860 blazers that size no undershirt and buddy had a full six-pack ripped and then you pitched me

00:30:59.540 why you'd be a good ambassador for prime like came prepared with a sheet and by the end of

00:31:05.360 the pitch i was sold well it was gracious of you to to do that meeting sunny asked for it i wouldn't

00:31:10.780 have asked for it uh and you guys have sent him a case of each flavor of prime let's go since then

00:31:17.200 including all the rafts i don't know if you knew that prime does this yeah like rafts and like

00:31:22.040 lawn chairs yeah yeah you know this sort of thing so we have how many rafts you got we got a lot of

00:31:27.600 rafts right yeah yeah but yeah he's a big prime guy natalie also a big prime person has one right

00:31:33.180 next to her now amazing it's my daughter natalie yeah that's awesome sonny anything you want to

00:31:38.340 say about anything how do you think logan did last night amazing amazing every event he does

00:31:44.040 Thank you, Sonny.

00:31:44.800 Thank you, bro.

00:31:45.340 We like that.

00:31:45.800 Who's your favorite wrestler, Sonny?

00:31:47.600 You got a favorite?

00:31:49.220 Probably Logan, Drew, Cody.

00:31:52.500 Let's go.

00:31:53.140 Wow.

00:31:53.380 In that order, by the way.

00:31:54.220 It's a good lineup.

00:31:55.000 Dude, I have this strange feeling that Sonny's going to be my boss one day.

00:31:59.120 Listen, we'll see how it works out.

00:32:00.540 I'm not kidding.

00:32:01.420 We'll see how it works out.

00:32:02.700 Like, yeah, you got that young mogul energy.

00:32:04.800 And I wonder this.

00:32:07.000 Given what you do, and I admire this about you because I'm now a father,

00:32:11.280 taking your kids around like your entourage today is just your family which is awesome

00:32:17.540 but taking your kids around and exposing them to your world i imagine he's growing up quick

00:32:23.500 or at least being like imbued so much wisdom at such a young age well look but a couple things

00:32:29.600 in that thank you i know they're only going to be with us at home until they're 18 and then they're

00:32:35.120 going to go live their lives and i read this stat that you know once they leave or kids leave at 18

00:32:40.380 90% of the time you will have spent with them is over.

00:32:44.680 So I want to try to embrace everything I can.

00:32:48.980 And my rule with both of my children at business settings like this is you can come.

00:32:54.540 Don't talk unless somebody asks you something because you haven't yet earned the seat at the table to talk.

00:33:01.440 And I think you see a lot of mistakes being made in family-run businesses, which WWE is no longer.

00:33:06.360 It merged with UFC, as you know.

00:33:08.560 It's TKO.

00:33:09.300 it's doing you know quite well thanks to the work of many many folks other than myself um

00:33:16.120 but i don't like the fact that people can come in and have a voice and not have earned it

00:33:21.040 so we're gonna get plenty of things wrong with natalie and sonny but hopefully we'll get that

00:33:26.320 one right i think so no nepotism yeah is there so if he like if you were having a wrestler that

00:33:32.960 was like underperforming right and he he was just like you were and you were thinking maybe

00:33:37.060 you would have to like cut him but he was just like dad he's my favorite like i cut gone gone

00:33:42.880 sorry son yeah dude both of them i'll tell you this two things i think you lose touch with as

00:33:49.300 you get older i think you lose touch with technology so if you've ever seen your parents

00:33:53.900 with the iphone and they're like i don't know how to you're like story my life story my life

00:33:58.220 you lose touch with technology is that gonna happen to us listen if past this prologue it

00:34:02.760 will happen to you i can't i can't let that happen i've made a point to to actively use the

00:34:09.080 latest technologies so what i see my parents doing doesn't happen to me i get it the other

00:34:14.520 thing we lose touch with is music i'll give you an example if i said to you uh i'm going to billy

00:34:19.680 eilish concert this weekend and you said are you taking your 14 year old daughter natalie i said

00:34:24.100 no triple h and i we're just going with undertaker you'd be like but is that real no okay okay because

00:34:32.440 But that's how much touch people lose.

00:34:34.840 That's how less in touch with music one is as they get older, right?

00:34:40.240 So both of my children have helped me on the music side for WWE.

00:34:46.020 So even now last night we used Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath.

00:34:49.400 That's classic.

00:34:50.380 It works for war games.

00:34:52.640 But if you look at the music that WWE has chosen to be across our events

00:34:56.660 for the last four to five years,

00:34:58.480 a lot of it is our music executive,

00:35:00.700 Neil Lowey and his relationships and all that which are great but a lot of it's our young

00:35:04.580 executives and to a much lesser extent my children say no think about this song it's a little more

00:35:10.880 up to speed or up to date than let's say ACDC which no disrespect to ACDC but we want it to

00:35:16.840 be fresh and relevant yeah yeah I see the Tame Impala sweatshirt in the audience there they know

00:35:22.400 what they're doing do you got who who you guys listen to have you tried to bring any new acts

00:35:27.040 him for the next couple years um yeah a little bit i mean i listen like everything man like

00:35:32.920 yeah we also big m&m guy oh yeah yeah yeah people love m&m yeah of course so when i heard travis

00:35:40.700 scott's uh fiend playing for wrestlemania well probably thousands of times fiend is actually

00:35:49.040 burned into my head really but i thought it was a cool cultural choice yeah because the first time

00:35:54.100 it's travis scott but uh it like like the wwe seems to have gotten cool in part i think to

00:36:02.460 what you've done and triple h is creative um what does that relationship with triple h

00:36:10.060 and you look like are you often involved in the creative or are you just kind of letting him

00:36:15.120 take this out really really the only times i'll get involved if he calls and asks

00:36:20.380 from my point of view on something or if I really feel strongly about it just as if he really feel

00:36:27.140 really feel strongly about something on the business side I want him to call me or the chairs

00:36:31.080 yeah I'm talking what's happening or the chairs yeah yeah that can't happen again can't happen

00:36:36.600 again um but I'll talk to Paul three to five times a day wow which you know is a lot uh so

00:36:45.020 you know, he's been a phenomenal partner and I love where creative has gone and it's Paul's vision

00:36:50.960 being executed by folks like yourself. And as long as we have a pipeline of young, fresh talent

00:36:56.800 and we have the folks who have earned their senior status, Roman, Seth, who's injured, as you know,

00:37:03.980 Cody, Randy, you know, those folks under where the young folks could be under their tutelage.

00:37:10.780 I think we got a great shot to have the business continue to soar and grow, you know, year over

00:37:14.800 year especially with that pipeline you mentioned nxt dude some of the talent coming out of nxt and

00:37:21.220 who are now like the the rookies in wwe just it's just insane it's insane it's insane there's a kid

00:37:28.140 javon evans he's sick dude the first time i saw him i he might have i think he was still in nxt i

00:37:33.500 i was like this is this kid is going to be incredible the athleticism it seems like is

00:37:38.880 now the non-starter for wwe it seems like everyone is just going to be so athletic in the next like

00:37:47.180 five to ten years and so it's interesting where do you see wrestlers in their ability to stand out

00:37:54.740 and become the big stars that they want to be i think the in-ring work matters significantly

00:38:01.160 and i think your work on the microphone matters as well and if you struggle on the microphone

00:38:06.520 which you do not hey we have the Paul Heymans of the world to supplement that so if you look at

00:38:14.160 when Roman Reigns really became the modern day Roman Reigns that was during COVID so for years

00:38:21.720 he was pushed as the face of the company face of the company I get it he's handsome he's charismatic

00:38:26.580 all these things when he came back and he associated himself with Paul Heyman and he

00:38:32.540 came back as a monster heel this was one of the great heel runs in the history of wrestling

00:38:38.080 and it's to his credit primarily to triple h's credit and the creative team and to paul hayman's

00:38:44.360 credit right none of us can get there on our own it usually takes a group of people to do it

00:38:49.280 and you saw roman do it in a way that you know has not been matched by others you know many times in

00:38:55.060 the course of a wrestling history no no what he's done is incredible what is what is your plan

00:39:00.320 for wwe it's a great question um so my obvious goal as someone who always shoots for the stars

00:39:09.580 is to become the face of the company with the belt um i have some ideas and ways that i think

00:39:18.780 i could make that happen but i also think that in order for that to happen i gotta put in the work

00:39:25.480 you know i gotta be showing up regularly and learning from those guys you mentioned and i

00:39:32.320 think that journey excites me more than like the obvious i want to be the best like i i want to be

00:39:38.840 the best in the company but i also want to be the best wrestler that i know i can be because i think

00:39:44.240 by learning the craft inside and out i truly think i can be one of the greats i was telling this to

00:39:52.540 someone um yesterday rug he's a youtuber who was at the event um my first match was on my 27th

00:40:03.960 birthday wrestlemania debut it was april 1st it was like it was one of those right after or right

00:40:09.780 before and i came backstage after my match thinking like oh that was fun and vince mcmahon

00:40:17.460 goes your future is here or something like that I was like you're meant to be here oh oh cool like

00:40:24.640 we'll see about that like I and then I watched it back and I I like bought myself as a wrestler

00:40:30.160 and then I did it again and I I like actually caught the bug and it took me a couple matches

00:40:36.620 to realize like oh my god I'm 27 years old and I think I found my thing I was meant to be a wrestler

00:40:43.940 and it it's funny because like looking back on my life like i wrestled growing up yep and and

00:40:48.900 then i was also very physically active like jumping off of things doing stunts doing flips

00:40:55.280 and then you add in the the decade of content creation that you mentioned and now it's like

00:41:00.160 oh when i pick up the mic talking is the easy part but wrestling is actually the easier part

00:41:07.060 for me like i like i like i like being physical first um more more than actually the mic work

00:41:13.660 um yeah by the way i have this theory in business and in life that for every great macro transaction

00:41:18.960 it's usually the result of a thousand great micro ones so think about every vine that you did

00:41:24.420 every vlog that you did every bed you jumped off as a kid actually wrestling in high school and you

00:41:32.320 were a high high level ohio state the state of ohio a high high level wrestler so all of that

00:41:39.340 coming together and boom you try it and the guy who basically invented the modern version of this

00:41:44.780 business says hey you know you got to be here whatever it was that he said and here you are

00:41:50.240 it's insane it's it's a culmination of every skill i've ever garnered in my life all in one

00:41:56.120 wwe is is is fascinating and i became more of a fan of it after i learned about the inner workings

00:42:03.060 of the craft dude the business is insane i i tell people it's truly one of the most well-oiled

00:42:09.520 machines that i've ever seen in my life i don't know how you keep track of all of it there's so

00:42:14.860 much going on and the cadence nick the cadence is insane we had an event friday or no actually not

00:42:20.380 this friday typically you have an event friday you'd saturday sometimes wrestlemania is also

00:42:26.620 sunday and you're back monday monday back every week yep listen you you know this drill you got

00:42:33.240 to earn your keep every day at wwe and in life and for any company that one is working with

00:42:39.440 i think at wwe the level of excellence that's expected from everybody our executives our

00:42:46.240 producers our superstars it's a really high bar but they're going to be people there to help you

00:42:51.700 do it so even on the business side what i say to a lot of the young executives who you've met and

00:42:57.760 and chef knows i'll say hey if you ever have a problem bring it to me it becomes our problem

00:43:02.520 but if you have a problem and you hide it from me like you better figure it out and if you don't

00:43:08.140 figure it out then there's it's probably not going to end well for you i think that enables an

00:43:13.940 environment people could say hey i messed this thing up i don't know what to do and it's almost

00:43:18.520 like in the ring i remember there was one match you and ray mysterio bro you know what i'm talking

00:43:24.500 about bro so think about the work that that guy has put into his career and by the way you know

00:43:32.500 date me a little bit but when he was in wcw he was considered like a nothing a nothing he came

00:43:39.620 to wwe and he had a great you know luchador history prior to wcf he came to wwe and the

00:43:44.860 machine got behind him and he did everything he needed to do to be elevated by that machine

00:43:50.460 and in that match you saw him save you or certainly help you or make sure there wasn't

00:43:56.400 physical injury which it could have been and i remember watching him how quickly he did it and

00:44:01.280 how instinctively he knew what to do and it made me happy that you were in the ring with one of

00:44:06.160 the all-time great pros yeah me too uh he's he's amazing the world's number one sports fan festival

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00:44:46.680 into this episode right here i think growing up watching a lot of these guys and getting to

00:44:51.440 wrestle with them even like cena is is a bit of a surreal experience um i'm a little jealous that

00:44:58.540 don beat him um you would have liked to beat him for the intercontinental championship yeah for sure

00:45:03.400 yeah yeah for sure uh you know because we ain't getting cena back no that's it you know look

00:45:10.180 cena on this retirement tour the generosity of his spirit in the ring is unparalleled there's

00:45:21.580 never a i don't like this outcome because it doesn't make me look good there's a lot of hey

00:45:27.340 let's do this in the storyline let's do this in the match which of course you want from the john

00:45:32.040 Cena's of the world, but there's never a, why do you have me losing a Dominic Mysterio? He always

00:45:37.380 does what's best for the business and it certainly has turned out quite well for him. Is he calling

00:45:41.880 the shots on his retirement tour? Like have you guys given him that grace? It's he and Triple H

00:45:47.560 together, but there has not been a dispute. I don't mean, no, no, let's end with this. No,

00:45:53.380 let's end this way. There's not been a dispute with John Cena since he announced his retirement

00:45:58.800 tour prior to that by the way or since he's executed upon his retirement tour smooth can

00:46:05.040 you give us any can you give us any candidates on the final i mean you've seen the people who

00:46:10.660 are in the tournament now who do you think

00:46:12.140 is gunther still in it he's still in it he is right i felt like that would be a good match

00:46:21.020 what do you think mike i don't know i i wanted to be the mat whoever the mask guy was

00:46:27.460 just undefined

00:46:30.400 mask guy

00:46:31.020 identify yourself

00:46:32.700 and wrestle

00:46:33.380 in two weeks

00:46:33.980 green shirt guy

00:46:34.080 end your John

00:46:35.100 senior's career

00:46:35.800 dude John

00:46:36.760 could it be Logan

00:46:37.540 I don't think

00:46:38.900 it could be me

00:46:39.700 no

00:46:40.440 it's not in the tournament

00:46:41.140 it'll definitely be

00:46:42.180 someone in the tournament

00:46:42.980 yeah

00:46:43.280 there's no

00:46:44.680 swerves

00:46:45.420 well I don't know

00:46:46.840 you're the boss

00:46:47.540 this green shirt guy

00:46:48.680 has really annoyed you

00:46:49.720 I see

00:46:50.280 I mean what's his deal

00:46:51.700 let me talk to him

00:46:54.700 why is he

00:46:55.260 why is he even

00:46:55.740 allowed in the events

00:46:56.460 but he's a good paying customer we'll find more just ban him ban him from all events if it were 0.83

00:47:02.200 up to me i'd ban him if he if he what if it were up to me i would ban him you'd ban him yeah you

00:47:06.560 don't like the way he does it okay no all right we'll move on from him yeah perfect i think we

00:47:12.080 should move on to zuffa to be yeah that's true because we have a lot to talk wait i do i do

00:47:16.220 want to say one more thing about john cena please first off he's he's incredible he's actually

00:47:21.120 a perfect human being it's it's it's shocking it's shocking he's one of those people i meet

00:47:25.940 and I'm just like, bang.

00:47:27.080 He would deny that 100%.

00:47:28.720 He would deny it.

00:47:29.400 He would deny it.

00:47:30.580 He's contrarian when I compliment him.

00:47:33.140 And he, like, says something really wise after.

00:47:35.140 I'm like, this is why.

00:47:36.400 This is why you're perfect.

00:47:38.040 Full humility with John Cena.

00:47:39.520 You never see a moment of arrogance.

00:47:41.140 Oh, it's insane.

00:47:42.700 And then even if you do, he apologizes.

00:47:45.540 Like, I'm sorry?

00:47:46.980 Yeah, he does say it that way.

00:47:48.100 Yeah, sorry.

00:47:48.400 But, man, we were talking about his merch, his merch sales.

00:47:53.280 That guy's a cash cow, huh?

00:47:54.740 Listen, Cash Cow, and think about when we first were talking about doing this retirement tour, he said, hey, get me a list of the cities where you think I'm going to appear.

00:48:04.860 He was months ahead of designing his merch.

00:48:08.720 Yeah.

00:48:09.300 Small things on it, the details on it.

00:48:11.860 And even, you know, you recall the Netflix premiere was at the Intuit Dome.

00:48:16.540 You know, he said, that's where the Clippers play, right?

00:48:18.800 And I said, yeah.

00:48:19.280 He said, okay, so no Lakers colors there.

00:48:21.180 Let's go with the Dodger colors.

00:48:22.640 So good.

00:48:23.160 Like he, he's a step ahead of it always.

00:48:25.760 Yeah.

00:48:26.160 And you know, it's, again, it's worked out.

00:48:28.100 Well, cause it, well, cause he was explaining to me, like, um, you know, if he were to do

00:48:33.460 this retirement tour, he's, he's obviously getting up there in age.

00:48:37.040 It's can't be that easy for him as it was back in the day.

00:48:40.580 Like it's, it's, it's hard on the body.

00:48:42.380 It's a lot of work is what I'm saying.

00:48:44.500 And in order for that work to be reciprocated, he obviously like has a number that he would 0.88

00:48:50.240 like to make for like john cena's not working for free john fucking cena but he told me that

00:48:56.680 he had basically made it his goal to make sure that number was worthwhile for you guys like 0.81

00:49:02.360 as an independent contractor i don't think you could ask for anyone better to get a good return

00:49:07.600 on the investment he cares about every little detail every detail and by the way refresh my

00:49:12.580 recollection your match with him on this retirement tour was in france it was in france yeah so going

00:49:18.160 into that match so you know and i know john won't mind me you know saying this i said give me your

00:49:24.800 feelings on logan and he said i'll let you know after the match called me maybe an hour or two

00:49:31.460 after the match and he said he has it and it was never the does he have the physical you know

00:49:38.120 skills to do it like i think in ring everyone knows that you've put in the time and you can do

00:49:42.780 it but for John it was can you work the crowd with him can you give and take with him you know

00:49:48.840 do you know how to follow direction and take the lead and I think you know certainly from this seat

00:49:54.400 you proved yourself to him and I find life is always about proving yourself over and over and

00:50:00.780 over even if one says to themselves at a certain point why do I have to prove myself so many times

00:50:05.320 like that's just the way it is yeah so you know you got Sina's validation which to me meant a lot

00:50:10.880 um and by the way we expected that you would get his validation me too uh i put a lot of pressure

00:50:18.200 on myself but because i like it i like i like rising to that occasion and like i said i feel

00:50:22.900 really comfortable in ring more more than on the mic i i really like the physicality of it all

00:50:28.720 but just quickly on the mic where did you come up why did you decide to do the humble song

00:50:34.420 because i'm mad humble that's big song in my house just so you know you got a humble family

00:50:40.860 humble guy what is you listen what are some of the lyrics to that song sonny

00:50:45.340 first i'm not a very good singer okay he's not a good singer just say it yeah it's fair

00:50:50.860 so humble how can i be so good looking as a hunger how about can i be so damn rich and still humble

00:50:58.640 how can i do all this i'm still humble and by the way by the way when the wwe audience 0.99

00:51:06.320 gets their head out of their sorry kids gets their head out of their asses 0.93

00:51:12.180 this is a perfect sing-along song i see people doing it for seth whoa 0.99

00:51:17.200 cody whoa bro how can i be so good looking at so humble how can i be so

00:51:24.280 humble the whole arena going humble how close perfect how close how close do you think we are

00:51:30.620 to that actually happening well i mean i think you'd have to go the face the face yeah you have 0.98

00:51:34.420 you go to face my fucking song sorry kids sorry you say anything you want around now i'm sorry 0.98

00:51:39.360 sorry sorry we made it so people could sing along how can i be so humble by the way again i'm not 0.99

00:51:48.740 involved in the creative but maybe it's worth telling the fans at a certain point god damn it

00:51:52.600 sing my song when i come out here it's a great idea then you know it's a great they don't listen

00:51:57.780 to me one day they boo me do you really think one day is it ever gonna happen like is there a day

00:52:04.020 when the when have you okay have you ever seen a heel or or someone in his role that was less

00:52:13.200 likely to turn into like a a favorite of the audience i'll answer it in the reverse way

00:52:19.540 there is no way i was born in 74 so as a child of the 80s there's no way i ever envisioned hulk

00:52:26.480 hogan rest in peace as a heel and when he turned heel in the late 90s and became a monster heel

00:52:33.680 You remember that, Jeff?

00:52:34.560 For sure.

00:52:35.320 It was unlike anything you had seen.

00:52:37.900 The most babyface wrestler became a monster heel.

00:52:42.760 And by the way, he made history with it.

00:52:44.460 And then he came back to WWE as, you know, face and all that.

00:52:49.120 Heel to face, it doesn't, I can't think of one right now.

00:52:54.720 But face to heel, you know, certainly Hogan.

00:52:57.140 But there's always a first for everything.

00:52:58.500 Oh, no, I have no interest.

00:52:59.700 You don't like that?

00:53:00.540 No.

00:53:01.120 You're a natural heel.

00:53:02.300 Well, he doesn't.

00:53:02.960 he does it in all of his places of in all of his industries we're heels on the internet he you

00:53:08.340 know he's not as a result of me no bro because i don't see you guys as heels on the internet

00:53:12.540 maybe a lot of very smart people don't see us as heels on the internet but a lot of other people

00:53:17.620 do see us because here's here's the thing being a baby being like a good guy pretend you're like

00:53:23.080 a hero all the time it's not realistic it's not realistic part of the human experience is like

00:53:28.200 making mistakes and like being you and that's what i've done and if you got a problem with it 0.99

00:53:36.000 come see me fuck off i think the people who have a problem with it 0.99

00:53:40.720 i would think they generally haven't taken much risk in life if you take risk you're gonna you 0.99

00:53:48.800 know miss well if you haven't taken risk there's nothing to miss that a lot of times the people

00:53:53.700 that have the most problems with him or with me or with us or anyone haven't taken any swings

00:54:00.740 because they're 15 16 17 years old and as a kid it's very easy to point your fingers at people and

00:54:06.540 or or yeah as jeff would say shout from the playground because whenever i go to jeff and i'm

00:54:11.060 like yeah the audience is being mean to us this week he's like dude these are children they're

00:54:16.000 children like when you walk by a playground and some kid's like hey you're fat like which i could

00:54:20.780 lose a few pounds but you know like do you go home and cry i'm like no i guess not because it

00:54:24.740 was a kid he's like who do you think these people are on the internet that are saying this stuff

00:54:27.920 i'll give you a different version of that yeah if you walked into a crowded restaurant and said hey

00:54:33.500 everyone in the restaurant please give me your anonymous feedback on me and they came back i'll

00:54:37.720 refer to myself so your hair's too white your shirt's too ugly whatever it is and i'm like hey

00:54:42.140 how could you say these things like you asked for it yeah right so and i get it you guys are

00:54:47.320 celebrities your empire building i've never and again i'm just a mid-level wrestling executive

00:54:52.360 i've never once searched my name on x i've never once searched my name on the internet whether

00:54:57.640 it's positive whether it's negative i don't care about that i care about it wwe part of my job is

00:55:04.100 ratings revenue relevancy we refer to as the three r's those are the things that i'm focused on so 0.99

00:55:10.640 if a fan out there is saying hey this piece of shit president of the company it doesn't matter 0.96

00:55:15.380 to me and if they also said oh my god this guy's so great doesn't matter if i'm close with you 0.99

00:55:20.800 then i care what your opinion is of me if i'm not i've oh and it's funny because i've always

00:55:27.260 preached that to him about relying on your generals as opposed to group feedback but i'm you know i'm

00:55:31.480 a human too so we also come to the tidal wave of feedback sometimes uh jeff's good steady hand

00:55:37.200 by the appropriately aggressive very smart but can see things clearly which is not so easy for

00:55:43.180 a lot of folks jeff doesn't yeah he's one of my favorite people he's incredible he's been with us

00:55:47.020 a long time he's brought a lot of things to logan that wouldn't have come to him if it wasn't for

00:55:51.420 jeff he's he's one of my favorite people honestly are you gonna say anything like yes oh i love jeff

00:55:56.460 the things that the things that mike is referencing is uh i mean well you and wwe is

00:56:07.520 prime mayweather yeah prime mayweather like basically the biggest things in my life are

00:56:11.760 are a result of Jeff and it's interesting because you guys have had or have known each other for

00:56:16.380 like a while yeah yeah yeah longer than damn we used to work together at an agency called ICM

00:56:23.900 which I was at before CA and I'm a little or a lot older than Jeff so I think what was your job

00:56:30.480 at that time right I was an agent there he was a junior agent but I always liked him I always

00:56:36.500 thought he was smart and it was of no surprise to me when we reconnected that he was in business

00:56:42.100 with you guys and you guys were all succeeding together speaking of succeeding together see

00:56:47.420 this is what i do zuffa great success on this first event with cannell and crawford uh one of

00:56:52.720 the top gates right number three gate of all time of all time yeah right um off to a off to a fast

00:56:59.220 start and there's a lot to talk about here about the future about potentially the next event and

00:57:03.960 and namely the Ali Act and this push to modernize it.

00:57:09.380 So I guess starting off,

00:57:13.360 you have this joint venture with Dana and Turkey.

00:57:17.440 What's it been like working with those guys?

00:57:19.400 So Dana and White and I have known each other for many years.

00:57:22.480 In 2016 or so, a guy who I was friendly with, George St. Pierre.

00:57:27.980 GSP.

00:57:28.580 GSP, yes.

00:57:29.960 You know we have a lot of overlap with GSP right now.

00:57:33.000 i do right now he was at my wedding i'm aware yeah yeah i'm aware i i comment he's amazing

00:57:38.740 i commentated next to him on karate combat and that's how i originally met him and then we

00:57:43.040 tried i read that i didn't say yeah that's right i love gsp he's amazing so gsp had stepped away

00:57:49.740 from the ufc for a while and he was doing his boxing training at freddie roach's boxing gym

00:57:56.440 in hollywood wild card wild card yeah so that's how i got out of being a lawyer and into the

00:58:02.300 sports business was through Freddie Roach. This is early 2000s. So Freddie, you obviously know

00:58:08.340 what he looks like. You know what he looks like. So this was in like 0304. So Freddie Roach, I was

00:58:13.720 a lawyer. I used to go to his gym as a civilian, just train as like a normal person, not real

00:58:19.560 fights like you or anyone else. And I'd always tell Freddie, if you ever need anything, I'm a

00:58:24.040 lawyer. Let me know. Let me know. Let me know. So one day he calls me. He says, Hey, I just got

00:58:27.980 arrested and i said uh are you are you in custody right now and he's like yeah and i said don't don't

00:58:35.700 say anything because they record you know those conversations i said but let's get you out and

00:58:40.380 then i'll come and sit down we'll talk together so he gets out and he says yeah i got into a fight

00:58:44.980 you know uh and i said tell me what happens and he was at a retail store uh and again if you know

00:58:50.540 who freddie roach is you also know he's a former lightweight contender yeah if you know how to

00:58:55.780 fight you know how to fight forever yeah right it's nothing that goes away from you but if you

00:58:59.660 don't know who he is and you see him and you're a bully he might be your perfect target yeah so

00:59:05.720 he's at a retail store he's standing in line some guy standing next to him six six three hundred 0.77

00:59:10.340 pounds the guy the six six the bully if you will was yelling at the clerk freddie standing in line

00:59:15.920 the clerk says something sarcastic to the bully freddie laughs bully looks at freddie says what 0.99

00:59:22.240 the fuck are you laughing at freddie says i'm laughing at what the clerk said to you 0.99

00:59:27.760 so according to third party witnesses the guy takes a swing at freddie freddie ducks under 1.00

00:59:33.680 lays the guy out one shot by the way freddie and i watched the video recording of that like 500

00:59:39.160 times that's amazing that's amazing so i was i guess i was 26 27 at the time so we got the

00:59:46.080 charges dismissed mutual combat no problem but freddie got sued by the guy and you know this

00:59:51.920 shrill from your own business the first time you get sued and you get served you're like the whole

00:59:56.120 what am i gonna do here oh my god this guy wants millions of dollars is that mad by cues

01:00:01.620 terrible right yeah that feeling that the first one the first one oh correct oh it's over you know

01:00:09.040 everyone's gonna hate me now i've been sued so freddie's like i don't know what to do i said

01:00:12.920 we'll defend it don't worry about it you know we settled the case for some nuisance fee 2 500 bucks

01:00:17.740 and freddie says to me hey you got to come to my gym i have a fighter no one's heard of him

01:00:22.360 uh but he's going to be the next big thing in boxing he wants to sue his then promoter

01:00:27.980 a guy named marad muhammad was the promoter and i said great let me meet him he said come to the

01:00:33.220 vagabond end in hollywood which is descriptive yeah that's that's insane that's the name whoever

01:00:39.420 came up with that name like people will want to stay here that place in bum hotel or two

01:00:44.180 the really hot wine hotel degenerate hotel um so i go to the hotel i walk in the room there's like

01:00:52.780 15 filipino guys in one room and freddie says hey i want you to meet manny pacquiao nobody knows who

01:00:59.360 he is this guy can fight and he needs to get out of this contract so i said nice to meet you manny

01:01:04.460 didn't speak you know great english at that time so i said can is there a room in here where i can

01:01:08.860 read this contract he's like yeah you can read it the bathroom so i'm like no problem so i go into

01:01:13.460 a motel bathroom put the toilet seat down sit on the toilet I'm reading his contract I look over in

01:01:19.700 the shower and like some dude's sleeping in the shower this is crazy and I'm like okay I guess

01:01:23.880 he's sleeping so he's not gonna bother me I read the contract I came out I said yeah I think

01:01:27.520 you know your promoters in breach of contract we hired the right lawyer for him I was not the

01:01:32.160 lawyer on that case uh we hired the right lawyer for him he sued his then promoter got out of his

01:01:36.300 deal and ended up managing Manny Pacquiao through Freddie Roach and through Pacquiao and that's what

01:01:41.620 got me out of being a lawyer, managing Manny, and managing another fighter named James Lights Out

01:01:46.400 Tony, who was an all-time great in-ring, you know, fighter. But it was a boxing business that got me

01:01:52.900 into the sports business and ultimately led me to CAA, where, you know, I ended up in the television

01:01:58.360 and sports business. So Zufa Boxing, and knowing Dana and going back to GSP, GSP wanted to come

01:02:05.900 back to the UFC and fight. He had an existing agreement. The UFC had just sold to Ari Emanuel

01:02:11.480 and Endeavor. So George wanted a new deal. So I called Dana, who I'd casually met, and I said,

01:02:18.040 hey, can I come see you in Vegas? GSP wants to come back. He asked me for help. And I said,

01:02:22.480 by the way, I'm not looking to make news out of this for myself. I'm not looking to say, oh,

01:02:26.680 we've upset fighter contracts. He just wants to come back, but he wants to be paid more money.

01:02:31.340 Dana said, come to Vegas. Let's sit down together. We worked the deal out in a day. GSP came back

01:02:36.480 and fought Bisbing at Madison Square Garden,

01:02:39.360 won the 185-pound title,

01:02:41.120 and Dana and I have been in touch ever since.

01:02:43.480 So the partnership at Zufa is with Dana,

01:02:46.000 who's obviously the promoter and the face of the company,

01:02:49.860 Turkey Al-Sheikh, who you know, who you've met.

01:02:53.240 He's a longtime partner of WWE.

01:02:55.160 That partnership with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and WWE

01:02:58.240 goes back eight years, predates me.

01:03:00.840 So a lot of success together,

01:03:02.640 and I think he's a terrific guy and an easy partner.

01:03:06.280 So it's Dana, Turkey, TKO, myself, a number of other folks,

01:03:11.520 Mark Shapiro, Ari Emanuel, and, you know, we have a deal at Paramount.

01:03:15.700 UFC just announced their first show on Paramount, January 24th,

01:03:19.680 from the T-Mobile Center in Las Vegas.

01:03:22.320 Look for our announcement in boxing coming soon.

01:03:25.260 Canelo Crawford did the third highest gate of all time, as you mentioned.

01:03:28.940 I thought the show looked great on TV.

01:03:31.500 It was Netflix.

01:03:32.340 All of that matters.

01:03:33.260 We think there's a better way to do boxing than what's been done.

01:03:37.680 In terms of the Ali Act, it's the enhancement of that act.

01:03:41.940 We have the support of his wife, Lani Ali, Muhammad Ali's wife, Lani,

01:03:46.400 who's supporting, again, the enhancement of it.

01:03:49.960 The way the act is currently written.

01:03:52.120 If you want to do boxing that way with all these different sanctioning bodies

01:03:55.660 and this and that, do it. No problem.

01:03:58.180 But if you want to come do it with us, we think we'll do it in a better way,

01:04:02.020 Come with us and give it a chance.

01:04:04.480 If it's so – there's a lot of people who are looking at what you guys are proposing and liking it.

01:04:12.420 There's been some people who are outspoken against it.

01:04:14.620 Eddie Hearn, for example.

01:04:16.140 Why do you think Eddie Hearn is so adamantly against your proposal?

01:04:21.120 I think the people who are part of any current institution are supposed to protect that institution as it currently stands.

01:04:28.540 So that's what you would expect him to say.

01:04:30.700 Oh, there's no changes.

01:04:32.020 that need to be made it's been working great i love the current state of boxing what else is he

01:04:37.560 supposed to do saying oh dana white and turkey and tko they're coming in i'm just going to lay down

01:04:42.280 and give up like he's doing what he's supposed to do so it's posturing whatever it is organic

01:04:49.300 posturing don't care we're going to focus on what we're doing it's like at wwe any other wrestling

01:04:56.340 companies out there don't care what they're doing any second of the day it's the same with boxing

01:05:02.160 We're going to do it our way, and we'll see if we get it right or not.

01:05:04.820 Can you explain the Muhammad Ali Act, just for people who don't know what we're talking about?

01:05:10.080 Yeah, so the Muhammad Ali Act was put in place right around the year 2000 because one of the sanctioning bodies, the IBF, there was an indictment of the head of the IBF, a federal indictment, for some sort of corruption charge, bribery, corruption, whatever it was.

01:05:25.560 and senator john mccain from arizona who was a boxing fan and had boxed in the navy

01:05:30.560 said hey we need to put forward federal legislation that protects the fighters more than they were

01:05:35.940 protected then so there are certain great things about the act for example a manager can't also be

01:05:42.080 the promoter you can't double dip of course we would never double dip at ufc or wwe it's nothing

01:05:49.140 we're looking to change what we're looking to change is these sanctioning bodies that take

01:05:53.920 3% of the fighter's purse, 1% of the fighter's purse that insist upon, by the way, for Canelo

01:05:59.400 Crawford, which was a sanctioned fight, right, for the unified super middleweight champion.

01:06:05.620 One of the guys who runs one of the organizations emailed one of the young ladies who works with 0.59

01:06:10.280 us saying, you know, I can't have a regular hotel room. I have to have a suite at the fight. And

01:06:14.580 oh, by the way, this organization, we want to purchase $265,000 of tickets to the fight.

01:06:20.080 I thought to myself, this is supposed to be a non-profit.

01:06:22.940 This doesn't feel like a non-profit to me.

01:06:25.260 I'm sure they are, but it didn't feel that way to me.

01:06:28.140 Because when people say to me, hey, we're going to offer you a hotel room, I don't say, I insist I must stay in a suite.

01:06:34.120 It's different if I'm paying on my own or whatever it is.

01:06:36.700 It just, the whole thing felt odd to me.

01:06:39.080 And that's the part that we want to sort of avoid.

01:06:42.980 Let's have a well-run business, hopefully,

01:06:47.260 where we have the best fighters in the world

01:06:48.860 fighting the best fighters in the world,

01:06:50.600 where there's no political nonsense

01:06:52.160 as this guy's not getting this fight

01:06:53.980 because the sanctioning body won't sanction it.

01:06:56.740 So is that the criteria?

01:06:59.000 Best fighters in the world

01:07:00.160 versus the best fighters in the world?

01:07:02.160 Yes.

01:07:02.860 Any other entertainment clout metric

01:07:06.320 that you guys are looking at,

01:07:07.620 even if they're not maybe like, you know,

01:07:09.320 a world-renowned fighter?

01:07:10.340 well listen if you can get a conor mcgregor in boxing i remember the bus video from what was

01:07:16.720 that event it was that it was the inauguration the inauguration yeah i don't know the bus video

01:07:21.500 and i was like geez like i mean bro i tried i tried no you were great i i i was pushing a conor

01:07:28.680 boxing fight for me for a while my dreams were crushed actually by basically ari himself

01:07:34.520 dude dude it was so bad i was first off ari's got the the most bde i've ever been around in my life

01:07:45.440 the guy the guy reeks of aura and i was like ari bro i need your help so yeah uh man you got to

01:07:54.340 make this fight with me and connor happen and he just laughed nick he was like i was like no

01:08:00.920 seriously and he's like yeah no seriously and in that moment i knew this is not happening listen

01:08:09.740 there's a reason after i i had supposedly made 150 million but i never got that money there's a

01:08:15.020 reason he's in the seat that he's in yeah yeah that's all earned everything is earned yeah in

01:08:20.200 life and in business either way i i i don't think that was the best move for you to do a boxing

01:08:24.960 match with conor mcgregor are you guys gonna do one with uh conor that that's gonna be dana's

01:08:29.860 decision as to, Dana's going to handle

01:08:31.840 all the fights. Yo, put me in there. 1.00

01:08:34.180 Put you in boxing? With McGregor.

01:08:36.100 You're basic, buddy. No, we're not going

01:08:37.900 to do that stuff. We're going to do

01:08:39.720 number one fights number two, like UFC.

01:08:43.040 I see.

01:08:44.180 I see. Give me an example. Who could

01:08:45.880 a potential next fight be? 0.92

01:08:47.720 After you just did Crawford Canelo.

01:08:49.840 You know, right?

01:08:52.240 I know it as much as I

01:08:53.920 know who the masked wrestler was

01:08:55.720 at Survivor Series.

01:08:57.460 Oh, she do know.

01:08:58.660 You just want to tell us, dude.

01:09:00.380 Come on.

01:09:01.160 Give us the alpha, dude.

01:09:03.720 It's all timed out with the network.

01:09:05.420 Dana would support you giving us the alpha.

01:09:07.140 He loves us.

01:09:08.120 I know.

01:09:08.460 He does love you guys very much.

01:09:09.960 Always been very complimentary of both of you.

01:09:12.040 He's the greatest.

01:09:12.960 He's the best.

01:09:13.620 That's a tough act to follow.

01:09:15.320 Canelo Crawford was great.

01:09:16.680 That's what I was just going to say.

01:09:17.940 Like, how do you, like, what are some fights that even could follow that?

01:09:21.460 Listen, but not everything has to be Canelo Crawford.

01:09:23.500 Yeah, true, true, true.

01:09:23.940 Just like not everything has to be Survivor Series.

01:09:25.820 You know, raw will either be great or it'll be good, whatever it is, but not everything over delivers like that.

01:09:33.020 And it doesn't have to.

01:09:34.480 What happened in boxing, so just to go back in time, the top three sports in the United States in the 50s and 60s were baseball, horse racing, and boxing.

01:09:46.120 Okay?

01:09:46.920 Baseball, horse racing, and boxing.

01:09:48.820 So if you look at horse racing, you look at boxing, those became extremely fragmented sports.

01:09:53.600 They never unified.

01:09:55.200 The NFL didn't become the NFL really until the 80s, in my opinion,

01:09:58.800 with Joe Montana and the 49ers.

01:10:00.720 And then the NBA, Bird and Magic came in in 79, Jordan in 84.

01:10:04.920 The NBA took off.

01:10:06.400 So fight of the century, and I know in boxing the fight of the century

01:10:09.180 happens like every five years, so that's the marketed tool.

01:10:12.760 But the actual fight of the century, Ali Frazier won, 1971.

01:10:17.380 Each guy makes $2.5 million.

01:10:19.880 The average NFL salary in 1971 was $30,000.

01:10:24.040 NBA had just moved up to, I think, $60,000.

01:10:27.100 So if you were a big athlete, you went into boxing.

01:10:30.780 But once the leagues became the leagues, you went there.

01:10:35.100 So could LeBron James have been the heavyweight champion of the world?

01:10:38.160 Maybe, if it was 1971.

01:10:40.140 But why would he go into the ring rather than shooting the basketball?

01:10:44.500 So part of our whole plan is,

01:10:47.000 how do you get the American athletes back into it?

01:10:50.760 It's going to be tough with heavyweights.

01:10:53.160 It's why you see Usyk from Ukraine, Fury from, you know, he calls himself a gypsy, but from Manchester.

01:11:01.340 You see Anthony Joshua fighting your brother in a couple weeks from the United Kingdom.

01:11:06.360 Yeah, what are your thoughts on that?

01:11:07.260 Listen, I think it shows that Jake has balls, and people have said, you know, oh, he won't fight a real fighter, real fighter.

01:11:13.560 Anthony Joshua's a real fighter. 0.69

01:11:15.060 He's as real as it gets, dude.

01:11:16.960 Yeah, what?

01:11:17.640 Very much so.

01:11:18.460 so you know i i first of all i've always liked jake uh i admire his you know gumption for taking

01:11:25.780 the fight and you know we'll be watching you're gonna put a little bet in on him then no no but

01:11:31.640 i'm not a betting man okay i grew up primarily in las vegas it doesn't lead i'm not a fan for me

01:11:37.000 yeah but she's like josh was a 10 to 1 11 to 1 favorite wow i saw him at minus 1100 i'm thinking

01:11:44.400 about putting 100 can jake just just run it one lucky punch dude take a page out of my book

01:11:51.200 listen he could definitely punch you know he could definitely punch you definitely punch

01:11:56.000 where are they where are they netting out on weight on that again he anthony's going down

01:12:00.440 and jake's going up no but no it's heavy but it's open it's open no it's open anthony's gonna be

01:12:05.580 but no no no there's some nakisa came out yeah oh really i didn't know yeah there was a number

01:12:10.000 what is it for anthony's got to go down to a certain amount 260 originally asked for 240

01:12:13.540 and it's like, there's no shot.

01:12:16.280 It's crazy.

01:12:16.860 Bradley Martin size.

01:12:17.960 That's a nutty one.

01:12:19.900 Yeah, but keep you out of boxing.

01:12:21.540 Keep you fresh.

01:12:22.580 If your plan is to be the face of WWE,

01:12:24.820 let's keep you on that track.

01:12:26.160 Yeah, you know what?

01:12:26.720 You're right, Nick.

01:12:27.380 Perfect.

01:12:27.780 You're right.

01:12:28.280 Yeah, I'm down.

01:12:28.940 I'm down for that as well.

01:12:30.340 I'm also much better at wrestling than I am at boxing.

01:12:34.780 I can box, but I'm a sick wrestler.

01:12:37.160 Well, I thought you were pretty good in the Mayweather fight.

01:12:39.960 It's so funny because I saw a tweet the other day

01:12:41.880 saying like this was a disgrace to boxing and in my head i'm like the only disgrace

01:12:46.660 was that the greatest boxer of all time couldn't knock out an inexperienced well you did get

01:12:52.080 knocked out that one time and he held me up bro i just is it is fascinating wait what

01:12:58.900 wait no no you wait yeah yeah yeah how people will just make things up in their head to like

01:13:04.800 rationalize their own reality they're like it's impossible it's floyd knocked them out

01:13:10.380 Why would he not?

01:13:11.160 It's Floyd Mayweather.

01:13:12.180 Must have held him up.

01:13:14.040 But what round was that?

01:13:15.280 You never made up something that you wanted to believe in? 1.00

01:13:17.900 Hell yeah, I'm a dumbass. 1.00

01:13:19.900 What round was that? 1.00

01:13:21.920 It was closer to the end, right?

01:13:23.180 Six or seven, yeah.

01:13:23.920 Because what happened?

01:13:25.540 You were tired?

01:13:27.100 No, nothing happened.

01:13:28.360 Well, you definitely leaned on him a little bit,

01:13:30.160 but that was just part of the crunching.

01:13:32.140 I don't know.

01:13:33.440 It was a fight.

01:13:34.060 Something's happened.

01:13:34.920 I don't know.

01:13:36.280 Floyd Mayweather held me up, bro.

01:13:37.780 Why would he do that?

01:13:38.540 Listen, I've never seen – why would Floyd carry you in a fight? 1.00

01:13:43.080 He's a really competitive motherfucker, as you know. 0.99

01:13:45.940 Bro, he went – this is what I say to people all the time. 1.00

01:13:47.800 Oh, because in the clause it said that he couldn't knock him out.

01:13:50.560 That's what they said.

01:13:51.660 That's what they said.

01:13:52.860 By the way, I watched that fight.

01:13:54.320 There was only one negative experience on that fight. 0.99

01:13:56.860 What was that stupid app that you had to order it through that he kept – 0.99

01:14:00.640 What was that distribution platform? 1.00

01:14:02.440 I think I know.

01:14:04.360 Not Showtime, the other one.

01:14:06.280 Order, order, order.

01:14:07.880 denied denied and i'm like what is this and again so funny all i know is it was impossible to order

01:14:15.760 and finally we got lucky and and got it ordered but again one of the many things wrong with boxing

01:14:20.980 like why is there so much on pay-per-view wwe go ahead no i guess i'm pointing at you to just keep

01:14:28.780 going but wwe got out of the pay-per-view business in 2014 again predates me brilliant move get out

01:14:35.780 of that in the volatility and all of that stuff. UFC does the monster ESPN deal seven, eight years

01:14:42.080 ago where, Hey, it's still pay-per-view, but it's only available through ESPN plus now with the new

01:14:47.560 paramount deal, you'll see the numbered events formerly known as pay-per-view. And I have nothing

01:14:52.220 to do with the UFC business just so we're all clear, but what Dana and company are doing,

01:14:56.900 the numbered events are going to be on paramount plus. If you subscribe, not subscribe to paramount

01:15:01.060 plus and pay another 80 dollars one of the brilliant things about canelo crawford was the

01:15:07.380 netflix distribution yes dude it's so good it's so good it's so good free i say free they're not

01:15:13.500 free because you have to pay for a subscription but it they're pay for the subscription they're

01:15:18.120 free it is the model especially because of piracy dude totally piracy with fighting is is rampant

01:15:26.380 Like, to a level that is, like, shocking.

01:15:29.240 We've probably lost tens of millions of dollars for piracy,

01:15:32.660 and no one's really come up with a solve for it yet.

01:15:36.460 But it's so rampant, Logan, you can't avoid it.

01:15:39.360 If you're flipping through TikTok during a pay-per-view fight,

01:15:42.180 you'll get a piracy stream.

01:15:44.200 You didn't even want to be a pirate.

01:15:45.200 Correct, correct.

01:15:46.320 You're like forced to be a pirate.

01:15:47.540 Yeah, forced to be a pirate.

01:15:49.640 Yeah, it's the model.

01:15:50.700 And because of that, you are going to increase your viewership,

01:15:55.720 And then with that increased viewership, you can make money in a thousand different ways.

01:15:59.740 No question.

01:16:00.360 Think about this also.

01:16:01.260 If I was telling you, hey, I had difficulties ordering your pay-per-view fight, at a certain point, you're going to tap on it and say, I'm just not going to order it.

01:16:08.080 I'll catch the results later.

01:16:09.860 Make it easy for the consumer, especially when there's so much free entertainment on your phone.

01:16:15.200 You could just sit there all night and text your friends, look through X, go on TikTok.

01:16:20.680 You can entertain yourself for free.

01:16:22.280 So if you're going to expect people to show up and watch your event, number one, it has to be quality, which Canelo Crawford was.

01:16:30.120 Number two, it has to be well-produced.

01:16:31.920 And number three, you can't charge another $80 for it.

01:16:34.200 It doesn't work in the modern distribution ecosystem.

01:16:38.380 When you're doing these big, big deals, man, how many figures?

01:16:43.420 Nine figures?

01:16:45.280 Nine figures?

01:16:46.760 Some of these nine-figure deals?

01:16:48.300 11.

01:16:48.980 10 figures?

01:16:49.900 10.

01:16:50.260 That'd be 10 figures.

01:16:51.400 Team 10's in the Bs.

01:16:52.500 Team 10's a billion.

01:16:53.480 Tens of billions?

01:16:54.260 11 billions?

01:16:55.120 Wait, nine figures could be like 300 billion.

01:16:57.760 Ten figures.

01:16:58.860 Team 10.

01:16:59.600 Are you on Team 10?

01:17:00.360 When you're doing these like 10-figure deals, 0.98

01:17:04.780 are you just sitting there like, damn, I'm the man? 0.98

01:17:07.940 No. 0.99

01:17:08.420 Well, first of all, it's not just me.

01:17:09.780 You got Ari, who you mentioned,

01:17:11.500 Mark Shapiro, who's the president of TKO,

01:17:13.640 who's phenomenal at what he does,

01:17:15.820 Dana, Triple H, myself.

01:17:18.060 First of all, it's a product, right?

01:17:19.720 No one's going to overpay us for anything.

01:17:22.600 They're going to pay us for what they see as the value of us.

01:17:25.680 Netflix saw $5 billion worth of value over, what, 10 years?

01:17:29.800 Correct.

01:17:31.520 New subs stay, right?

01:17:34.040 It's hard to unsubscribe from things.

01:17:36.180 Again, you're more technologically savvy than I am.

01:17:38.660 When you want to unsubscribe from a service, brutal.

01:17:41.700 Yeah, it's hard.

01:17:42.360 It is brutal, and that to me is intentional,

01:17:44.560 and they're allowed to do business however they want.

01:17:46.500 Not Netflix, other folks I'm talking about.

01:17:48.580 Netflix is so easy.

01:17:50.180 Paramount Plus is so easy.

01:17:51.820 You're going to look for increased viewership across Zufa's on Paramount Plus.

01:17:56.240 We just haven't announced the first date yet.

01:17:58.200 Again, UFC just announced during the CBS Thanksgiving football day game, Thanksgiving day football game.

01:18:06.720 Their launch date, again, January 24th.

01:18:09.260 You're going to see the Zufa announcement coming soon about our first date and our first main event and all of that.

01:18:14.620 And then you'll see 12 of those shows in addition to some megafights next year.

01:18:19.720 12 of those shows over the course of 2026 do you think this starts like a a ripple effect for

01:18:26.260 some of the other like leagues and programming that currently is ppv i i guess to say do you

01:18:33.680 think it eventually hits like a a diminishing return for the uh subscription platforms or do

01:18:39.460 you think it just turns into this like ultra competitive landscape where like each one is

01:18:43.380 like yo we have to buy this because we got to compete with paramount we got to compete with

01:18:46.760 netflix we got to compete with you know espn plus or whoever it is at the time like just to stay

01:18:51.920 competitive you have to pick up these entities i think that yeah is what you're going to see so

01:18:56.080 even in the bid for warner brothers discovery that's going on right now and it's out there

01:19:00.560 publicly you know paramount's made an offer netflix has made an offer comcast has made an

01:19:05.740 offer you're going to see more consolidation especially at this moment in time with the

01:19:10.320 current administration which is more business friendly to mergers and acquisitions so yeah

01:19:15.440 You're going to see more consolidation because there's too much out there right now.

01:19:18.240 And to be able to compete against Netflix, you have to beef up.

01:19:21.540 You have to have a library.

01:19:22.760 You have to have the right distribution.

01:19:24.380 And then you have to be able to go to pay for the right content creators.

01:19:27.720 So I think immediately overnight, Paramount, once the Ellisons bought it, it became a real player again.

01:19:35.860 And now all of a sudden, hey, boom, here's the UFC deal.

01:19:38.900 Here's the Zufa boxing deal.

01:19:40.500 hey we got the rights to south park back uh which would be exclusively on paramount plus as well

01:19:46.480 like you're seeing them make big bold moves that's what you want in this marketplace it's

01:19:50.660 better for everyone and you're seeing a lot of people team up and you're seeing a lot of

01:19:54.520 collaboration one of the best collaborations i've seen lately that's really like caught my eye and

01:19:59.400 just made me happy was um wwe and fanatics coming together it's just really been great for me um and

01:20:06.080 i want to talk to you a little bit about that and just the network that um you guys are building

01:20:10.080 with fanatics so look first of all michael rubin huge fan of him and everything he's done you guys

01:20:15.940 have interacted with him yeah of course you know what he brings love love his story love the fact

01:20:22.160 that as a kid he was starting businesses some succeeded some failed goes to i think it was

01:20:27.520 villanova enrolls himself in villanova for two weeks or a month can't take it right drops out

01:20:34.600 i don't even like the term drop out stops going to college yeah and goes to start a business

01:20:38.820 and becomes wildly successful in that

01:20:41.140 and then sees the opportunity in the licensing business of,

01:20:45.240 hey, the NFL is not really focused on it

01:20:46.880 and, hey, I have a lot of relationships

01:20:48.140 and how can I do this better than anyone else in the world?

01:20:51.580 And then he goes and does it.

01:20:52.880 And then with Tops, you took a business that had stayed the same.

01:20:56.840 Dude.

01:20:57.400 Since I was a little kid.

01:20:59.040 And, hey, I'm going to modernize it

01:21:00.540 and I'm going to have rookie on someone's debut night on the Lakers.

01:21:06.320 I'm going to have them wear a debut night patch.

01:21:08.260 I'm going to cut that up and I'm going to put it in the packets.

01:21:10.940 There's a guy named Michael Mahan who runs Tops for Ruben,

01:21:14.040 brilliant guy who I've known for years,

01:21:15.960 used to be like randomly my next door neighbor

01:21:17.880 when we were like living in apartments, like that kind of neighbor.

01:21:22.540 Me and my wife, he and his wife, now we all have children.

01:21:25.700 They happen to go to school together.

01:21:27.680 Big fan of his, big fan of Ruben's.

01:21:30.280 Fanatics is the best in the world at what they do.

01:21:33.160 When we decided to try to get into business with Fanatics

01:21:35.820 was when the supply chain issues were happening.

01:21:38.840 If you remember this.

01:21:39.880 With cards?

01:21:40.600 With everything.

01:21:42.080 Hey, there's gonna be supply chain issues.

01:21:43.500 Things are backed up at the ports.

01:21:45.440 Things are not getting delivered.

01:21:46.500 And I was Googling, how do you make T-shirts in India?

01:21:52.260 And I said to myself, what are you doing? 1.00

01:21:54.520 Like, I don't want us to be

01:21:56.020 the best T-shirt manufacturer in the world.

01:21:58.440 Why don't we go get in business

01:21:59.940 with the best memorabilia licensing partner

01:22:02.560 that we can get in business with

01:22:03.720 rather than worrying about is that heather gray that came in or is that light gray i don't want

01:22:08.140 to do that so we did the deal with fanatics it's out earned for both sides what we thought it would

01:22:13.580 be by the way wwe merchandise sales are through the roof through the roof in part fanatics in

01:22:20.200 part our creative team that sort of came up with the simple idea of everybody loves their city

01:22:25.600 but you see people wearing football jersey yeah of course so make it city specific merch as simple

01:22:33.200 as two of the young executives scott zangalini alex varga wwe they said hey you know the austin

01:22:38.440 316 t-shirt they said obviously austin's a city let's just do one for each city that we're in

01:22:44.900 it's great la 316 new york 316 columbus 316 yeah they sell like crazy and then the next round

01:22:52.580 you know if i'm sure you're familiar with the term like southey 316 in boston yep county 316

01:22:58.900 right in LA micro neighborhoods

01:23:00.940 yeah it's amazing

01:23:02.380 East Lowe's 316 in Los Angeles

01:23:04.820 people love this stuff

01:23:06.260 so you know through Fanatics through our creative

01:23:09.000 team you know merchandise sales

01:23:10.780 through the roof dude it's so good

01:23:12.480 it's such a good partnership that

01:23:14.880 makes so much sense

01:23:16.520 and Fanatics

01:23:18.260 led by Michael just

01:23:20.060 absolute killers on the team Fanatics

01:23:22.580 Fest I went last year just so fun

01:23:24.820 we'll be back there

01:23:25.900 it's like culture

01:23:28.500 sport entertainment it's it's all just intersecting in such a beautiful way and i have to say as

01:23:34.300 someone who is is is coming into this industry and now has been working with you guys for like

01:23:40.220 three to four years seeing all these companies that i like love so much and have had relationships

01:23:47.420 with for a while now like all come together is so cool like dude i've been a ufc fan for for

01:23:54.720 almost as long as i can remember yeah um and then we you know we got to meet data white have him on

01:24:00.700 the podcast he's all he was always nice to me uh ufc gets bought by uh endeavor and then tko

01:24:07.440 wwe you've seen my like two favorite organizations and how fanatics is involved there and it's like

01:24:12.040 i'm i'm just uh i'm i'm i'm really deeply grateful and happy to be in in the ecosystem because it all

01:24:17.940 it all feels like as someone working for you guys it feels really exciting with us yeah yeah

01:24:22.400 working with us yeah yeah correct you have seen prime working with you guys you've seen prime

01:24:28.020 you have seen wwe and breath death it's like a it's like a real family thing going on over here

01:24:34.080 but what that is to me it's an amalgamation of smart people you guys dana and sensing that

01:24:41.660 there's opportunities even think about the creator of breath death when he came to sit down with us

01:24:45.840 he's like you remember pop rocks as a kid yeah i remember him he's like no one's ever done them

01:24:49.260 in mint form try this you try it you're like okay yeah we want to invest yeah they're so good it's

01:24:54.320 that it's that simple think about prime right i look at when you guys got into that business

01:24:59.060 you didn't grow up with michael jordan right he's older than you guys you know his importance all

01:25:06.520 that michael jordan to me really propelled gatorade same yeah so now you had a whole group of

01:25:12.820 kids including my children and my niece and nephew who didn't grow up with jordan where i would see

01:25:17.760 when we would go to the rec center

01:25:19.180 for our children's games,

01:25:21.020 everyone carrying Prime.

01:25:22.180 And if my kids came in with the Prime,

01:25:24.640 how'd you get that bottle?

01:25:25.820 You know, that sort of conversation

01:25:27.100 was insane to me.

01:25:28.900 So it made sense.

01:25:30.060 You want to partner with Prime?

01:25:31.620 Oh, we're getting into the podcast business

01:25:33.340 with Fanatics.

01:25:34.620 Who's like one of the innovators

01:25:36.820 of the whole space are you guys, right?

01:25:40.220 Bill Simmons in that space,

01:25:42.660 you guys in your space.

01:25:44.600 So, hey, let's get in business with these guys.

01:25:46.880 They know how to do it.

01:25:47.640 not let's go try to like recreate you guys there's never going to be a next logan and mike the next

01:25:53.180 one never looks like the last one so why don't we just go get the one that exists and do it with

01:25:57.740 them and create another uh group of partnerships with them we haven't done a lunchly deal i noticed

01:26:02.500 you're holding out it's the only one left it's the only one left part of my outside of thinking

01:26:07.440 on that is what is that what is the one that came out first that with the plastic on it there's

01:26:13.560 oh we don't talk about that whatever that was after i was a kid yeah but like i know my kids

01:26:19.800 don't eat that company's food right when this came out like we gotta get it we gotta get it

01:26:24.420 you're in the zeitgeist of young people i remember us having like 12 in our fridge no way that's

01:26:30.320 awesome dude you guys you guys are supporters dude thank you we're we're proud of this product as

01:26:34.920 well maybe there is a deal to be done there um don't withhold dude no yeah no yeah you're right

01:26:39.920 this and and this is doing well um really well actually we can't make enough of it uh oh by the

01:26:46.340 way always the problem in scaling a business that how do you have enough product meal kits

01:26:51.340 especially no question it's tough refrigerated as well it's a whole thing shipping logistics all of

01:26:55.980 it tough um what's next for you guys what are you looking at i'm trying to get my bag back from jet

01:27:03.680 blue they're calling they're calling can i pick this up dude yeah you gotta get that bag are you

01:27:08.040 seriously.

01:27:08.660 Hello?

01:27:09.960 Hi, I'm with the delivery service for JetBlue Airlines.

01:27:13.420 Yeah.

01:27:14.440 And we have a bag to deliver to

01:27:16.140 Los Angeles.

01:27:19.860 Sir, what do you need from me?

01:27:22.920 Well, I need to verify your address.

01:27:24.920 That's the one.

01:27:26.860 Okay, will you be home between 6 and 8 to receive it?

01:27:29.640 Yes, I'll be there, sir.

01:27:31.240 Okay, we're going to call you once.

01:27:32.780 We're right out front of this complex.

01:27:34.200 That way you can come down to grab your bag.

01:27:35.820 Perfect.

01:27:36.080 Hey, make sure you support your next WWE event and anything for UFC or Zufa

01:27:41.460 or Lunchlee or Breath Death Prime if you get a chance.

01:27:45.300 Not a problem, sir.

01:27:46.280 Thank you.

01:27:46.800 Thank you so much.

01:27:48.020 Okay, bye.

01:27:49.260 This is great.

01:27:50.020 That was perfect.

01:27:50.560 So that's next.

01:27:51.540 This is awesome.

01:27:52.280 I always feel for, like, that guy.

01:27:54.200 Yeah.

01:27:54.500 He's just doing his job.

01:27:55.380 Of course.

01:27:55.860 Normally he doesn't get met by such a friendly, you know, response.

01:27:59.540 That is one of my huge goals in life is to be friendly to everyone.

01:28:02.800 Like, I really pride myself on it.

01:28:05.200 dude it's it's it's just a better way of life it's just not so prevalent anymore and i like

01:28:10.720 having i like having high energy i like talking to people in a fun way and like being positive

01:28:15.440 to people it's just something that i really try to pride myself on and do all the time no matter

01:28:18.660 how i feel because there's a lot of days that i wake up that i don't feel like that yeah likable

01:28:22.180 yeah i try to be both of you guys better dude i'm focused on being the best wrestler i could be

01:28:27.440 now that said yes i still have time to do other things did jeff just whisper you a note yes

01:28:34.920 i heard some whispering all right yeah yeah but he animated it but he animated like kind of like

01:28:40.340 weave it in so i'm gonna do it so what are we working on yeah uh i have one one project in

01:28:47.560 particular that i'm working on that i'm i will actually come to you guys about um when the time

01:28:52.500 is right that i'm really excited about i have uh production company no okay no um it it it's it

01:29:01.100 has to do with collecting in the collectible space which i'm like it's like my favorite thing

01:29:06.080 in the world i i've been collecting since i was like six and so i figured like you know what i

01:29:10.920 think it may be time to make a business around it what do you like to collect or what have you

01:29:16.720 well my favorite is pokemon cards yeah did you sell one for the highest price i bought it bought

01:29:22.660 it yeah i own the most valuable pokemon card in the world um is that accurate oh yeah accurate

01:29:29.800 Okay.

01:29:30.160 There's one video of he put out at Fanatics that someone knocked it over.

01:29:34.540 Someone knocked it over.

01:29:35.820 Yeah, they were messing around.

01:29:38.180 Horsing around. 1.00

01:29:38.940 Horsing around.

01:29:39.760 They were horsing around them kids.

01:29:41.460 And they hit the thing and it knocked over.

01:29:43.300 It's fine.

01:29:44.480 It's great.

01:29:45.220 It's only PSA 10 in the world.

01:29:47.160 Pikachu Illustrator, of course.

01:29:48.540 There's some people that you know to sell it.

01:29:50.980 $5.3 million.

01:29:52.980 A lot of money.

01:29:53.940 But, dude, you know Pokemon cards have outperformed the S&P 500?

01:29:57.120 I'm aware.

01:29:57.600 And how much they've appreciated?

01:29:59.780 I'm aware through your material, which I cross-checked.

01:30:02.900 But I didn't know that until I heard it.

01:30:04.380 The asset class of trading cards in general is just, at the moment, booming.

01:30:10.500 Now, every industry and market will have its dips, its crests and troughs.

01:30:15.780 But at the moment, Pokemon's on fire and their 30th anniversary is coming up.

01:30:19.500 And I just have this, like, burning passion for a few things in life.

01:30:26.120 Wrestling is one of them.

01:30:27.120 I love consecration and storytelling is one of them.

01:30:29.320 And then I love collecting.

01:30:31.240 We were ripping packs on the way here, man.

01:30:33.240 Hit a Charizard the last couple of days.

01:30:34.840 Sometimes you got to rip it.

01:30:35.580 Sometimes you got to rip it.

01:30:36.720 What do you think drove you and your brother?

01:30:40.440 I don't remember the specific city.

01:30:41.800 I know it's not Columbus, Ohio.

01:30:43.120 What city was it?

01:30:44.120 Westlake.

01:30:44.600 Suburb outside of Cleveland.

01:30:45.860 Outside of Cleveland.

01:30:46.600 What drove you to get out?

01:30:49.700 That's a great question.

01:30:55.380 So...

01:30:57.120 In high school, I had this really kind of difficult to understand feeling that I just

01:31:07.620 wanted to do something great and I knew I could do it without like knowing like how

01:31:15.040 or even what that meant.

01:31:16.560 I knew I wanted to be great.

01:31:20.800 Like at one point, I wanted to create a product that would revolutionize the world when I

01:31:25.680 thought I was going to be an engineer.

01:31:26.780 that was my thing but I'd always loved making videos and I think when content creation became

01:31:34.860 a thing and it became democratized and I saw people making a life for themselves

01:31:38.740 the internet opened my eyes to possibility in a way that I don't think like my parents

01:31:46.160 had gotten to experience like if you wanted to go make it in media you'd have to take that jump

01:31:52.200 and like move to LA and try to become an actor

01:31:54.740 or a singer or a musician

01:31:55.780 and pursue the arts, which wasn't easy.

01:31:58.460 But now, or at least like when I was 18 years old,

01:32:02.440 10 years ago or so,

01:32:03.740 you just make videos on your phone.

01:32:05.640 Like you can make it, you can do it.

01:32:09.060 If you have the belief in yourself

01:32:10.460 and you really want it and probably have to love it

01:32:14.240 because if you don't love it,

01:32:16.700 it's going to get old and stale

01:32:17.800 and then you're just going to be stuck doing something

01:32:19.260 that you pursued for the wrong reasons.

01:32:20.920 but i i i just had this this burning desire to to do something greater than just

01:32:27.000 grow up in the city that i was born in and stay there for the rest of my life and no offense to

01:32:33.860 anyone doing that it just like wasn't for me yeah i think um when i look at what you've done

01:32:40.120 it's a number of different risks and pivots of okay hey i'm doing vine okay vine's starting

01:32:48.180 to slow down a little bit let me get into the vlog space at that time okay that's starting to slow

01:32:52.580 down a little bit yeah i'm gonna get into the podcast space i'm gonna get into the wrestling

01:32:55.620 space now the collectible space i think there's a natural curiosity with both of you which has led

01:33:03.260 in part to your success ultimately comes down to you guys and your hard work and be able to deliver

01:33:08.180 on what your dream is i would say like you gotta have an idea plus something else like a lot of

01:33:15.880 people have good ideas few can execute on them he's he's i don't do that he's an he's an evolver

01:33:22.520 he he evolves constantly shed skin moves shifts does more i'm i never wanted to be great i just

01:33:29.240 am great just born that way i just this this kid this dude my my friend andrew flanagan's father

01:33:34.840 told me he told him when i was like 16 he's like that mike malak's gonna fall ahead of the heels

01:33:39.720 in the money his whole life because he's lucky that's what he said in a lot of ways i have been

01:33:44.200 but I just I talk I maneuver I do this and I do that he's always coming up with a new idea

01:33:49.380 I need infrastructure and I've never had it he's given me the most infrastructure I've ever had

01:33:54.580 you're a good student or not a good student I can learn grade wise yeah I can learn for

01:33:58.940 yeah I was in the I was in the gifted program but I also was suspended and expelled as often

01:34:03.840 as I was in the gifted program so I'm a good grades not good grades fantastic I got I got

01:34:08.760 a full academic ride to college I was I was going to be an industrial and systems engineer

01:34:13.300 So I have this theory on people who really succeed like yourselves.

01:34:18.560 High school is tricky, right?

01:34:20.440 It's fun, right?

01:34:21.860 There's good challenges in it.

01:34:23.080 There's grades.

01:34:23.720 But it's tricky because it is a system, right?

01:34:27.280 Hey, your fall semester, you get graded.

01:34:29.660 Then you're told you be here in first period, be here.

01:34:32.320 This is your class.

01:34:33.620 You have to follow the rules.

01:34:34.860 You have to follow the rules to have a chance to succeed.

01:34:37.980 If your paper's due on a Tuesday, you can't come in on a Wednesday and be like,

01:34:42.200 I don't care about your rules. Here's my paper. You get an F. Then you get to the outside world

01:34:46.600 and you realize, and there's a difference between laws and rules. Always follow the law. You never

01:34:50.680 want any problems there. But you actually have to not follow the rules to succeed in business.

01:34:55.680 So interesting.

01:34:56.700 But for 18 years of your life or K through 12, however long that is, you had to follow the

01:35:01.500 rules. So if you talked up too much in class, hey, you're suspended or whatever it was. And

01:35:05.920 all of a sudden you get on the real world and you're like, well, if I just follow the rules,

01:35:09.140 that means i'll get a three percent raise every year and again not to begrudge anyone who lives

01:35:13.400 that life i respect any person who works hard but the i want to go do something different is

01:35:18.980 completely contrary to everything that everyone goes through school and that's why i think there's

01:35:23.020 starting to be that like rebellion against school even by parents as well and not not against school

01:35:28.580 but just to be a little bit more malleable in how you treat your kids as they go through the

01:35:33.940 education process you know and identifying their strengths and and creative pursuits that they may

01:35:39.680 want to partake in as opposed to just go to school get good grades go to college yeah i think look

01:35:44.020 go ahead i was gonna say yeah you have young kids how are you handling this schooling situation with

01:35:50.600 them given even your take on it that you just mentioned now for us it's do the best you can

01:35:55.380 and we're have a good fortune of hey if you need help tutoring this or that we'll get that for you

01:36:00.340 but I don't believe we define our children by their grades.

01:36:03.740 When we see their grades, there's never a,

01:36:06.240 and by the way, both of them get good grades,

01:36:08.360 but there's not a how could you have done this

01:36:10.540 or how did you do bad on this test.

01:36:12.880 It's okay, you didn't do well on this test.

01:36:14.920 What did we miss?

01:36:15.980 What do we need to put in place?

01:36:17.640 And to me, they'll both be the best versions of themselves.

01:36:21.120 That's my only expectation.

01:36:23.400 You're nine?

01:36:24.960 Ten now?

01:36:26.200 What do you like to do?

01:36:28.280 Right.

01:36:29.100 Just like for fun.

01:36:30.160 like what yeah just in general like what is there is there stuff you're interested in or like drawn

01:36:34.320 to video games and you i like to play a lot of tennis tennis oh there you go whoa cool what do

01:36:42.860 you natalie what do you like about tennis um i like playing on a team like with different people

01:36:50.440 Doubles?

01:36:51.260 Uh-huh.

01:36:51.820 Doubles.

01:36:52.320 I want to know doubles.

01:36:53.180 Nice.

01:36:54.040 I like, um, what do I like about it?

01:36:59.220 Yeah, I think that's the main thing.

01:37:00.600 I just like being part of the team.

01:37:02.300 It's fun.

01:37:02.540 Are you, do you enjoy actually tennis more or being on a team?

01:37:07.860 I mean, I really like tennis.

01:37:09.260 You like tennis?

01:37:09.660 But I think, like, being on a good team is, like, makes it a break.

01:37:12.520 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:13.820 I want, I.

01:37:14.400 I'm a coach, too.

01:37:15.300 I see.

01:37:15.780 That makes it a break, so I think.

01:37:17.160 I would love my daughter to be a tennis star.

01:37:19.980 It's so fun.

01:37:21.040 It's fun to watch, too.

01:37:23.300 We put it on TV and watch.

01:37:25.680 My wife got me into it.

01:37:27.220 Well, it's gotten kind of hot again, too.

01:37:28.860 Tennis and golf.

01:37:30.480 Carlos Alcares, dude, running it.

01:37:32.460 Absolutely running it.

01:37:33.520 Golf is through the roof right now.

01:37:34.740 You grew up middle income?

01:37:37.160 Lower than that.

01:37:37.980 Lower, lower middle. 0.78

01:37:38.580 Until my mom remarried and married a doctor.

01:37:42.940 By the way, I intentionally say income.

01:37:44.600 I don't believe people's class is defined by the amount of money they make.

01:37:47.660 so i have found for people who grow up middle income or lower middle there's something about

01:37:53.760 a girl playing tennis that's like wow that's wow that's great you know yeah yeah it's

01:38:00.220 the reason the reason sorry no no the reason i ask you guys is because um i have gotten to live

01:38:06.340 a a very blessed life and because of content creation on my phone i've been able to do what

01:38:11.940 you said. And that is like kind of pivot and just go, go where my passions lead me. And I've noticed

01:38:17.580 that the things that I'm doing now as an adult that I love the most are the same exact things

01:38:23.400 that I was doing as a kid that I loved the most. And I get to have that. I had that freedom of

01:38:29.820 expression as a kid. Cause I was a kid. There were no like boxes. It was just like, I was into

01:38:34.380 photography and doing stunts with my friends and brother in the basement. Or even like I wrote

01:38:41.460 stories like i i wrote like a novel when i was like five or six and now i get to like tell stories

01:38:47.280 and content creation i get to wrestle i get i i get to do professional photography projects and

01:38:52.220 i think what i'm saying is as a dad i'm really gonna try to let my daughter be and foster her

01:39:01.040 interests throughout her life because i think the things that you're interested in as a kid

01:39:05.540 are probably the things you're most innately attracted to,

01:39:10.140 and if you can make a career and a life out of those interests,

01:39:14.120 you'll do what you love every single day.

01:39:16.560 I think you nailed it.

01:39:17.200 I think, look, as a kid, I grew up in Las Vegas.

01:39:20.880 We moved to Los Angeles.

01:39:22.520 We moved to Honolulu, and then back to Vegas.

01:39:26.360 At all times, I watched boxing.

01:39:28.380 I watched wrestling.

01:39:29.740 That's just what I was interested in.

01:39:31.480 And, yeah, I watched the NFL, too, and NBA, this, that.

01:39:34.040 But those are the things that I like most.

01:39:36.440 So even with my children,

01:39:38.020 Sonny, what are your favorite video games now?

01:39:41.220 Fortnite?

01:39:42.780 You like the new map on Fortnite?

01:39:44.360 Did you download it?

01:39:45.580 Well, like, me and my cousin,

01:39:48.040 we were, like, just downloading it this morning

01:39:50.360 right when we left.

01:39:51.220 Did you hear the bad news about the bus driver?

01:39:53.240 Oh, no.

01:39:54.460 R.I.P., dude.

01:39:55.300 What's up?

01:39:55.520 What happened?

01:39:56.040 What do you mean?

01:39:56.420 Yeah, he's gone.

01:39:58.040 Yeah.

01:39:59.100 I think it was an explosion, I believe.

01:40:00.960 Yeah.

01:40:01.360 Yeah, he's gone.

01:40:02.080 GG's.

01:40:02.540 Well, dude, video games are really interesting because, I mean, now people have full-on careers out of video games and stuff.

01:40:08.900 And, like, I played a ton of video games when I was younger.

01:40:12.860 And I remember my parents, like, weren't really happy with me.

01:40:16.380 Totally.

01:40:16.620 A couple I was addicted to.

01:40:18.280 But then I look back and it's, like, one of them, in particular, World of Warcraft, I was actually addicted to it.

01:40:24.420 But at the age of 13, I learned what addiction was.

01:40:28.000 and so i was less inclined to do drugs like all of my other friends because i i was like oh this

01:40:34.760 addiction is horrible i don't want to i don't want that too much or something yeah yeah what

01:40:39.280 how did your wow addiction affect your life negatively yeah oh dude i played so much world

01:40:45.900 of warcraft it was staying at home yeah yeah it was did you ever pawn a laptop to play wow

01:40:50.980 because i'm on the same laptop like six times that's great by the way i i take i'll take you

01:40:56.860 literally here you've been to a pawn shop to pawn yeah and the pawn and the pawn my mom my mom made

01:41:01.900 enemies with like several people and the guy that owned the pawn shop in milford connecticut

01:41:06.360 was probably like her biggest enemy because he told her he's like your sons are you know never

01:41:11.880 gonna make it anywhere and he's he's like a like you know how people are like and and she just took

01:41:16.640 real offense to that guy and by the way the first time i ever went to a pawn shop to pawn something

01:41:21.080 yeah i was like you know you walk in i was like 18 or 19 like it's a little different this

01:41:26.400 environment yeah and then when you go to get your stuff out of pawn i always feel like they're mad

01:41:31.660 at you yeah like they thought you wouldn't show up you know paying the vig well they just knew

01:41:36.320 that i was like popping back into grab it and i was gonna come back anyways they were just they

01:41:40.500 just yeah pawn shops are such a weird industry so weird i don't think we have the time to get

01:41:45.360 into it today but just one line on it that show that was on yeah i remember watching it and seeing

01:41:51.940 like people who thought they could negotiate like the guy that the gentleman who ran that would be

01:41:56.660 like okay i'll give you eight hundred dollars they'd be like no no two thousand he'd be like

01:42:00.200 no you can leave they'd be like fine eight fifty all right no problem but it shows like you have

01:42:07.300 no leverage yeah you need the money like well how life goes yeah on on that it would smoke people

01:42:13.020 on that show yeah on that topic on the topic of passion and tv i gotta tell you my main uh passion

01:42:20.400 life is like number one beyond anything else is trivia i'm just obsessed with it i love jeopardy

01:42:26.420 i want to go on jeopardy i've always wanted to go on a lot of game shows and i know part of your

01:42:33.060 break and and i think the biggest thing in the pdf for me was that you actually were on wheel

01:42:38.140 of fortune i didn't know where you were going with that it's a trivia thing dude yes you didn't

01:42:43.960 you win money on it yes but by the way we just bought trivial pursuit for thanksgiving no stop

01:42:49.480 Please, can I do something with you?

01:42:51.540 Let me tell you what the problem was.

01:42:53.300 Oh, I thought he bought the corporation.

01:42:54.560 No, no, no, no.

01:42:55.180 He bought the game.

01:42:55.780 We bought on Amazon a $20.

01:42:57.080 All right, can I come play at the house or something?

01:42:59.420 So it was the 90s edition.

01:43:00.980 So for me and my wife and this and that, my wife and I, by the way,

01:43:04.020 it's the 30th anniversary of our first date.

01:43:06.500 Oh, nice.

01:43:07.020 Like next week.

01:43:07.800 Wow.

01:43:08.180 So she was 19, I was 21 when we first started dating.

01:43:11.440 Anyway, we bought the 90s edition.

01:43:13.600 We're like, this is going to be so fun.

01:43:14.900 Somehow we bought like the British 90s edition.

01:43:17.880 So they're like, which Lord declined the future?

01:43:20.680 I'm like, no one knows the answer.

01:43:22.280 We threw the thing away after the time of that.

01:43:24.800 Wheel of Fortune.

01:43:25.680 I was in law school, worked full-time in law school.

01:43:29.240 If my monthly nut at that time was $2,000 a month or so,

01:43:32.880 I knew that to study and pass the bar exam,

01:43:35.900 I had to not work and study for two months

01:43:38.960 to have a chance to pass.

01:43:41.260 If I worked and studied, I'd be spread too thin.

01:43:43.460 It wouldn't work for me, for my brain.

01:43:45.080 so I'm like you know how do you get in the bar review course you have to pay for is like three

01:43:49.640 four thousand dollars I'm like how do you get like five thousand dollars there was no relative

01:43:53.360 who would loan me the money like that didn't exist and by the way I had bad credit already

01:43:58.600 like your credit cards at 18 you don't know what to do with them it was already bad so I said let

01:44:03.980 me send in a postcard that's how long ago it was to wheel a fortune so I get a letter in the mail

01:44:08.660 hey come and audition I go to audition there's a thousand people auditioning the good thing for me

01:44:13.900 is 990 of them were like 80 years or older yeah so they're doing the test spins they're like z

01:44:18.920 x i get up there i spin i'm like t and they're like okay you're on the show i'm like that's it

01:44:25.780 you just have to choose like t right so i go on the show i win 16 500 sick and you'll remember

01:44:34.120 from your own life when your account goes from zero to 16 oh you are living large

01:44:38.200 so I never want to work again.

01:44:39.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:44:39.700 Drinks on me tonight.

01:44:41.280 Take everyone to dinner.

01:44:42.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:44:43.200 But I paid for the bar review course.

01:44:45.000 I passed the bar exam

01:44:46.100 and sort of went on to my career.

01:44:48.080 See, that's awesome.

01:44:49.220 Do you remember by any chance

01:44:50.740 any of the phrases that you...

01:44:52.020 I do.

01:44:52.520 I'll tell you this.

01:44:53.280 So I told this story

01:44:54.380 to a gentleman named Steve Moscow

01:44:56.460 who used to run Sony Television,

01:44:58.280 Sony being the owners of Wheel of Fortune.

01:45:00.220 I told him this story like 15 years ago.

01:45:02.240 The next day,

01:45:02.960 he sent me a DVD of the episode.

01:45:05.120 No way. 0.99

01:45:06.060 So I was like, holy shit. 0.98

01:45:07.380 So when my kids got a little older, Natalie's 14 now, Sonny's 10, we showed them this episode. 0.99

01:45:15.480 And both of them were like, your hair was so black.

01:45:21.400 They're like, now it's white.

01:45:25.340 And I'm like, white or gray?

01:45:26.900 They're like, it's white.

01:45:27.880 I'm like, okay, fine.

01:45:29.100 They're like, what kind of tie were you wearing?

01:45:31.280 What was that tie?

01:45:32.600 Now, you remember like the first time you went to New York and you'd see these kiosks,

01:45:36.000 like three ties for nine dollars yeah it was one of those times yeah because when you don't you

01:45:40.700 know when you're getting when you grow up in middle income you're like three ties for 10 bucks dude

01:45:44.980 great deal great yeah what was that and then of course they're like you're so thin you're something 0.92

01:45:50.240 i'm like everyone's just gonna talk shit no one's gonna say like oh the 16 five 0.72

01:45:55.620 they did say that too but that changed my life yeah that money i needed it to happen it happened 0.52

01:46:01.440 and fortunately i passed the bar exam do you have any poll with people in the game show world

01:46:05.500 I really need to go on Jeopardy.

01:46:07.000 If it doesn't happen, I'll feel failed as a human.

01:46:09.580 Michael Davies, just remember this name, okay?

01:46:12.140 Michael Davies.

01:46:13.280 Michael Davies was a British executive

01:46:14.840 who was working at ABC in the late 90s

01:46:17.200 and said, we have to bring the show

01:46:19.360 Who Wants to Be a Millionaire to the United States.

01:46:22.000 It's gonna be the next big thing.

01:46:23.800 He then quit his job at ABC to executive produce that show

01:46:27.300 and he took a piece of the action.

01:46:29.400 That show went on to be a massive, massive hit.

01:46:32.120 So Michael made a ton of money.

01:46:33.500 he's now with sony he sold his company to sony and he oversees jeopardy and wheel of fortune

01:46:39.740 and he's the best guy cold email cold email he's best okay okay me and jeff will handle it

01:46:44.120 i'll text him tomorrow and be like hey these guys want to meet you he's always down they do

01:46:48.380 a celebrity jeopardy and they always have like you're not like really like followed people

01:46:52.900 it's like they're like not like the level of no they're no i'm sure they're great artists but

01:46:58.040 they're just not like they want to bring some draw like bring some bring some people on there

01:47:02.120 If I get this right, you can go on.

01:47:04.800 Jeopardy, you're one of them.

01:47:06.160 Michael Davies is a name from a show famous in our year.

01:47:11.860 He is assistant somewhere.

01:47:14.080 He becomes an agent in what show?

01:47:15.980 Oh, my God.

01:47:17.360 Davies!

01:47:17.880 No, you're wrong, Jeff.

01:47:19.000 I think you're wrong.

01:47:20.080 I think you're wrong first.

01:47:21.120 Adam Davies.

01:47:21.900 Adam Davies.

01:47:22.040 Adam Davies.

01:47:22.400 You smoked his own trivia question.

01:47:25.680 Davies.

01:47:26.160 You don't even need those first.

01:47:27.080 From our, when you say our year, what year do you mean?

01:47:30.220 Years.

01:47:30.760 I'm not giving you years.

01:47:32.120 Are you in the 80s?

01:47:33.500 That's a horrible question.

01:47:34.760 Just think about the only agent show that ever matters.

01:47:38.320 Oh, okay.

01:47:38.800 So I get to go on the show?

01:47:39.880 Entourage?

01:47:40.840 Entourage.

01:47:41.380 He says, Davies.

01:47:43.120 I just remember Ari.

01:47:44.180 I just remember Lloyd.

01:47:45.160 I remember Lloyd.

01:47:45.840 I remember Lloyd.

01:47:46.440 Lloyd.

01:47:47.120 Lloyd.

01:47:47.660 Davies became the agent that he was against.

01:47:49.600 Hey, how similar is Ari Emanuel to Ari Gold?

01:47:54.220 I think quite similar.

01:47:55.720 Really?

01:47:56.160 By the way, it's now the, you know, it's now the as successful as he is in 2026, Ari Emanuel, compared to, you know, before you have real success, there's a certain anger and fire that most people have that tends to go away for some, not for him.

01:48:18.380 He still has that fire in him, true killer, and by the way, built an empire.

01:48:23.140 Yeah.

01:48:23.840 I just watched an interview with him recently.

01:48:25.820 I don't know who it was with, but he is a firecracker.

01:48:28.820 Yeah, he did that on-stage video about there were four other agencies.

01:48:33.280 Yeah.

01:48:33.640 And I started a fifth, and people kind of, I'm paraphrasing here, 0.95

01:48:36.760 talked shit to me, and, you know, he had dyslexia as a child. 0.98

01:48:39.920 He's like, I didn't like that, so, you know, I'd come at him pretty hard. 0.99

01:48:44.060 And, you know, respect anybody who can go, you know,

01:48:46.700 start something and build an empire like that.

01:48:48.780 Yeah, thanks.

01:48:49.840 Well, this has been great, Nick.

01:48:51.060 Thank you for having me.

01:48:51.860 Yeah, very gracious with your time.

01:48:53.160 You gave us a ton of time today.

01:48:54.400 Thank you so much.

01:48:54.580 this was your time thank you both yeah yeah we were looking forward to this podcast it's been

01:48:58.020 a minute we've had a few reschedules and so glad we got you locked down any ctas besides like go

01:49:04.220 vote on the ali act or like what what do you want people to do support us on the ali act thank you

01:49:10.020 for asking that uh one of my colleagues lawrence epstein from the ufc is going to appear in front

01:49:14.960 of congress uh in early december december 4th december 4th uh lonnie ali will be with him as

01:49:21.400 well. Andy Foster, the head of the

01:49:23.260 California State Athletic Commission, will

01:49:25.300 also be there. Dude, Andy Foster

01:49:27.060 told me that Floyd Mayweather was going to kick 1.00

01:49:29.240 my ass. Well, listen, I'll tell 1.00

01:49:31.380 Andy, it proved not to be true.

01:49:33.500 He wrote a letter like saying

01:49:35.380 we had to go to Florida. We were going to do it here. 0.99

01:49:37.600 Andy told me on the phone, he's like,

01:49:39.760 you know, he can end you whenever

01:49:41.320 he wants. I mean, technically in round seven, some

01:49:43.360 would say that he did.

01:49:44.380 I just said, I'm just saying.

01:49:47.560 Andy Foster

01:49:48.320 wrote you your denial letter

01:49:49.820 for KSI for the three points.

01:49:51.700 Yeah, for the two points.

01:49:53.020 Yeah.

01:49:53.640 There's a lot of beef going on here. 0.99

01:49:54.940 Yeah, I actually don't fuck with Andy Foster, though. 1.00

01:49:57.620 I don't fuck with him. 0.99

01:49:58.700 By the way, he's a serious, straightforward guy. 1.00

01:50:01.400 Think about it.

01:50:01.880 The greatest boxer of a generation

01:50:03.820 fighting someone who didn't have a professional fight.

01:50:06.740 Yeah.

01:50:07.340 You know, you look at that and you say,

01:50:08.540 hey, I don't want to do this.

01:50:09.820 Yeah.

01:50:10.180 Was that four years ago?

01:50:12.020 Five.

01:50:12.620 Six.

01:50:13.360 Eight.

01:50:13.620 12.

01:50:14.380 Could be 14.

01:50:15.820 Wow.

01:50:17.060 Wasn't that in the 80s?

01:50:18.680 I don't know.

01:50:19.040 I think so.

01:50:20.380 21.

01:50:20.980 Four years ago.

01:50:22.420 Four and a half years ago.

01:50:23.380 Okay.

01:50:23.920 So I get that saying, okay, this guy has no experience.

01:50:28.380 Andy Foster and the California State Athletic Commission voted six to nothing unanimously

01:50:32.940 to support the Muhammad Ali Enhancement Act.

01:50:35.780 We love Andy Foster.

01:50:36.480 We love Andy Foster.

01:50:37.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:37.880 Right.

01:50:38.140 He looks at it from an objective point of view.

01:50:42.040 Now, maybe he got it wrong on you and Floyd.

01:50:45.380 Good fight.

01:50:45.820 Yeah, but also when I appealed that two-point deduction from Jack Reese,

01:50:52.220 who's probably in cahoots with Andy Foster.

01:50:54.280 No, no, Jack Reese is a good guy.

01:50:56.740 Maybe they just saw a different one.

01:50:58.360 Maybe they just saw a different one.

01:50:59.400 I ran into him recently.

01:51:01.640 He's like, I'd like to talk with you one day.

01:51:03.080 I'm like, yeah, I'm sure you got a lot to say.

01:51:05.260 Two more points, gone.

01:51:06.760 Listen, you'll come to our fights.

01:51:08.120 You'll meet these folks.

01:51:09.260 You'll like them.

01:51:10.380 No, it's all good now.

01:51:11.640 It's all good now.

01:51:12.320 Jack Reese is sort of the reason Prime started,

01:51:14.220 because I feel like if I had won that fight,

01:51:16.600 I don't know if me and Case, I would have started Prime.

01:51:18.440 So like Loki, blessing in disguise type situation.

01:51:21.700 I will give a shout out to Jack Rees.

01:51:23.740 But not you, Andy Foster.

01:51:25.880 Andy, don't worry.

01:51:26.720 One day we'll get you guys in a room together.

01:51:29.460 So yeah, thank you for having me on.

01:51:31.560 And that's it.

01:51:32.160 Thank you for all your support and your part of it.

01:51:33.700 They're calm, ladies and gentlemen.

01:51:34.580 Thank you, guys.

01:51:37.020 Take out some slime, bro.

01:51:38.060 We love you.

01:51:38.520 See you next time.

01:51:39.060 Take it easy.

01:51:39.480 Peace.

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