Alberta Telethon
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Summary
In this episode, I sit down with author Dennis Calma to discuss his new book, "The Value of Freedom" and how he got into the independence movement. We talk about how he came to write the book, why he decided to write a book, and why he chose to write it.
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sovereignty referendum that changes everything suddenly alberta is not begging to be heard
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we'd be negotiating from a position of strength for the first time in our history
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and when that happens when we vote yes to sovereignty ottawa will listen i'm told
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constantly on my channel fringe there is no way you can vote your way out of this mess
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your vote has no weight in the federal elections.
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Well, that was some amazing footage from the legislature.
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And I would like to give a shout out and a thank you
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to caroline richards for that coon that she gave us that was absolutely amazing it's berta proud
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dad ladies and gentlemen how is everybody doing and what an honor it is to have dennis calma with
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me uh for this next hour on the telethon and uh you guys might know dennis from from his book
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co-author or principal author the value of freedom and uh you know it's it's it's it's
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important to remember when we're doing you know something like this today how we all got here
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right how we all decided to get to this position you know it wasn't very long ago that I was
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championing Pierre Polyev in Battle River Crowfoot and going up against people like Grant Abraham and
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and you know I really thought that we could fix this country come January I decided to to make a
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little shift when I started seeing people cross the floor and I'd seen that before it's not like
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hadn't seen it before, Dennis. But, you know, that was really the final straw for me. And I always
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like to ask people what was their line and what was your line? So I've been an independence or
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someone very unhappy how Canada was running for a number of years. And my solution at some point
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was to say, OK, it's time for me to leave. I'll leave in retirement and away I go. But then Pierre
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came on the scene and I thought, hey, this guy's going to get in. He's going to win. Should be no
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problem he can start undoing the mess that we were in and then we had that wonderful election
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there in april last year and he lost and we literally had no influence and i saw if there
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was any chance for pierre at all that it was gone and probably gone forever if pierre couldn't get
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in with all of his popularity how on earth could anyone else ever get in so i got mad and i was
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just on x for the first time and i saw jeff rath go by you know on various posts and he's i thought
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that makes sense i like what he's saying and this is good and jeff's quite a forceful speaker so
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that was good so i pinged him i chatted with him and said hey you need some help i'm willing to
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help anyway i can he says well i've ever written a business plan i said sure dozens of them when
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i was an executive at a bunch of different countries around the world he's okay can you
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give it a shot so i said okay and we started writing the value of freedom
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well and that went on for about six weeks of heavy-duty writing and analysis and so forth
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primarily jeff and i he did a lot of the policy work i did mainly the analytics and the numbers
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and uh at that point i was committed and just keep on going yeah yeah and that that's the thing
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like it's important to remind people that you know they like to label us in this independence
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movement that we're just a bunch of rednecks right that's what they like to say and that's fine
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whatever they can say what they want but i'm a red seal heavy duty mechanic that's what i am
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um what's your background i'm a theoretical physicist by training so i got a degree in
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physics and um i spent my life uh primarily dealing with organizations under stress long
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story i won't bore you with how i got from physics to that but effectively i was a guy that dropped
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in when a large project or an organization was failing and they brought me in to try and fix
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stuff one of the things you have to do when you try and fix stuff is figure out what's wrong and
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write a plan to get out of it a business plan or some sort of major project plan so that's the
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background that got me here. And that's the one that I'm sticking with.
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Yeah. And that's the whole point, right? So, we all come from different
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walks of life. So, like myself, a mechanic, you, physicists,
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that's crazy. That's awesome. I've never talked to a
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physicist in my life. This is the first time. But, you know, I know other
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mechanics. I know doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers. I know, you know, this independence
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movement really is full of a bunch of people that just want
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what's best for their province and and they're seeing it so I recently just became a grandfather
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ah right thank you and that gave me another reason to fight right it was like a whole new thing like
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I was fighting for my kids before and now there's another reason and I like to talk about not just
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the floor crossing what brought me over to independence it's I like to remind people of
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this when Stephen Harper back in 2015 left left office he left Canada with about a 590 billion
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debt. That's what we had. And that was from 1867 to 2015. We accrued that debt. Now we're sitting
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at $1.3 trillion in 11 years. So we more than doubled that debt. If we keep going under the
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current spending, and people, you can look this up. I'm not pulling this out of my ass. You can
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look this up. If we go under this current spending, $1.3 trillion is going to balloon up to $3 trillion
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under Mark Carney. And what does that do for Alberta? Well, that's the thing I think people
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are not talking enough about. There's people who rightly say, oh, there's risks about becoming
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independent and things that have to be done to get us as an independent country. And that's all
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true. There are risks and there are things that have to be completed. More about that later,
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by the way. But they neglect to take into account what happens if we stay. And the answers are not
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pretty at all. First of all, we're seeing no end of laws and acts aimed primarily at curtailing
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alberta industry but also other industries we see a reduction of our freedoms we see no end of
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prosecution of pick on tamara leach going after people for doing things that at worst should be
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a minor uh minor charge and you see all this stuff going on and then to your point exactly
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and then we're going to spend ourselves into penury at some point and if you read history
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for example the weimar republic from the 30s they effectively spent their country into oblivion
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but the point is the country is bankrupting itself
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one more donation to some cause overseas at a time.
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So if we could fix his audio, that would be awesome.
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As well as since I took this little break, let's make sure we're sharing this out.
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This is out on every single influencer on the independent side, most of our platforms.
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If you're sitting at home right now and you're watching, share it to your groups.
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Share this out because this is truly about the third-party advertisers today.
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We're raising money for the third-party advertisers.
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And if you're looking at mainstream news, CTV, CBC, Global, they have a lot of money.
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Unlimited funds, they're funded by the government, over a billion dollars per year.
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1.4 billion, I believe, or 1.6 and 1.4 goes to CBC.
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These third-party advertisers, they need our help.
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as as alberta independent supporters as people sitting at home right now people sitting right
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here i'm just gonna i'm gonna say this quick um danny bucks just came out danny dollars so if you
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guys oh sorry wrong one one second if you guys applied for your danny dollars and and got your
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hundred dollars ladies and gentlemen your hundred bucks for the proud dad got his hundred bucks i
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didn't apply for danny dollars so i'm just donating a hundred bucks but i know danny dollars just came
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out. This is going to go to Jason Levine's TPA. That's what I'm going to give this one to. I've
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donated to some other TPAs, but this one's going to go to Jason's today. He's on next with Marty.
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So stick around for that. So what is the importance of these TPAs? They are absolutely critical.
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And because of all the silly restrictions put on the amount of spending, we're going to need many
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of them. That's why we don't have one big one. And TPAs are each developing their own personality.
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There's ones that want to pursue, for example, door knocking.
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We've got lots of volunteer labor, lots of people willing to help and put in their time, like myself.
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But at some point, there's things that cost money.
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You want to, you know, signs for people's front lawns.
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We don't need $1.9 billion, but we do need some.
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So I encourage people all the time to contribute what you can.
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But as Mitch was saying earlier in the program, 100,000 people contributing $20 is a lot of money.
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And that's what we're trying to do with this telethon today is get out to as many people as possible.
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so they can go out and do that boots on the ground work.
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I have a little bit of stuff here that we could talk about.
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You're gonna be able to pick from the multiple TPAs
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You know, a guy from Ontario who's really supporting what we're doing
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You cannot donate, but you can share this stream.
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And none of the TPAs will share your personal information.
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For more information, go to Elections Alberta website,
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Let's talk about elections in Alberta for a second and forever Canadian people.
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That's something that I really want to talk about because Thomas LeCasik has been rolling around the province in a campaign bus.
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He's got two campaign headquarters, and he's saying he's not campaigning.
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I mean, what drives me crazy is Canada used to be running under the premise of the hypothetical reasonable man.
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That would be the idea that the judges would look at something and say,
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is it reasonable in the eyes of that reasonable man or woman?
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You look at what Thomas is doing, any reasonable person,
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any reasonable person would look at it and say, that's campaigning.
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He's advocating a particular side of the referendum.
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And yet somehow Elections Alberta seems to think, well, that's fine.
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But you, on the other hand, Keith Wilson, who is doing similar kind of messaging,
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albeit for the other side of the question, all of a sudden, they're looked at and scrutinized
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and tied down by all these rules. It's crazy. It is absolutely crazy. And watching the double
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standard take place shows exactly what kind of state of affairs we are in and why Alberta
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independence is so important because under an independent Alberta, we'll have checks and
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balances for all sides. Because that's the thing too that people don't realize is just if we go
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independent, we're going to have opposition, right? It's not like, it's not like everybody's
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going to leave the province, which people say everybody's going to leave. I think a lot of
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people will come to Alberta if that's the case, but we'll still have opposition and we're still,
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we're just going to have a better system that I believe will be more transparent and work for the
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people by the people. So let me give you, give you two things. So first of all, remember if we win
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this referendum, or rather when we win this referendum, Nahed Nenshi will be an Albertan.
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He'll be a politician. He can run for office and people may well vote for him under the new system.
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We're going to have people of all stripes, just like we do today. And you know what? They're all
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welcome because Alberta will be a free place. Now, how can I say that? I just finished a tour
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with Bruce Pardee and Matt Rowley, three cities. We talked about constitutional models, talked
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about approaches to how you can set up a country to be more durable, more stable, more free than
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what we have today. Matt Rowley advocates a reformed Westminster system. Bruce Party advocates
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a very libertarian approach. I tend to be the middle ground guy that says, okay, the constitution
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should be more of a republican constitution. But we presented that to quite a few people in those
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three sessions, and all of them, all three models, have the same elements regarding personal freedom,
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political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom to bear arms if necessary.
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All those kind of things are built into all three choices, and all of them will work, and all of
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them can fail. But the idea is that we can craft a country that's more durable, more reliably
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governed, has more controls on government, gets rid of the excesses, things like uses of the
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ago. All those kind of things can be structured
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on my channel is we are a British Commonwealth.
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want to be loyal British subjects or not, that's
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system in Canada under the British Parliamentary
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So what you've seen with the Emergencies Act, for instance, when you see what happened in Ottawa, I was there as well.
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And I've seen what happened is we have privileges granted to us by the crown that can be taken away from us at any time.
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Now, if you see the Emergencies Act, like you just mentioned, it was ruled to be unconstitutional.
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So basically illegal what the government did to us.
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And now it's all the way up to the Supreme Court.
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The only reason it's in the Supreme Court, in my opinion, is they want to use it again.
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And is it a good possibility that they might use it against Albertans?
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Let's presume it gets serious and we start saying, okay, we're winning the yes-no referendum that follows.
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And it's starting to be a role, a momentum is building.
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I can see them because I don't trust them as far as I could throw any of them saying, okay, we have to stop this.
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They can take all those kinds of things and say, okay, this warrants being an emergency.
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A bunch of truckers parked their trucks in one city with bouncy castles, no less, and they invoked the Emergencies Act for that without even speaking to them.
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When you got five or 600,000 people who are all saying the same thing, that's going to look like an insurrection to them.
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The truckers were away from home, in their trucks, in a foreign city, a strange city,
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What's going to happen when they find out 600, 700,000, a million Albertans who want to leave
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are now trying to be governed under this Emergencies Act?
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It will not be a pretty sight, and I wouldn't recommend it for anybody.
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we can do this in a good way that all parties walk out in a good situation but i don't trust
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our government to not invoke no no i don't either and you said something you said something there
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a key word peacefully and that's what we have been we've been peaceful we've been doing our
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rallies we've been going to our areas they did the canvassing but it hasn't been peaceful on the
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other side and we've we've caught video evidence of that a guy getting a cigarette thrown at his
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face uh we saw a guy get pushed into the street there in edmonton uh we've seen you know marty
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up north he's going to be here uh on the show after this hosting uh jason levine he canvassed
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i don't know how many days in a row out in the blistering cold and he had some nutsos come up
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to him and you know it hasn't been peaceful on one side and this is truly what we're up against
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again for the reason for the telethon ladies and gentlemen is to get the money to the people doing
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the boots on the ground. That's the whole purpose of this. So if you haven't donated yet,
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please go to albertatelethon.com. Pick your TPA, any TPA. Like I said, I'm using my Danny dollars
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and I'm going to be giving a hundred bucks to a TPA. And I'm pretty sure you guys can too,
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because if this means something to you and nevermind, look at your kids, look at your
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grandchildren. And do you want them to have a better future than what they're going to
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currently have under the system? And that's what I want to kind of move into is this white paper
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And I know there's a white paper being worked on.
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i know you're part of that is there any any update on that is anybody going to because i know there's
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a lot of people looking looking for that yeah so um so i'm i'm co-lead for development of the
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white paper with keith wilson so i'm spending most of my days dealing with the team that's
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actually pulling it together now people say oh it's very complicated it's very difficult there's
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actually about 19 areas that be dealt with things like taxation things like policing things like
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pensions none of them are new to world there's not one thing that has to be recreated for alberta that
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has not that is not already done in canada today we're just trying to figure out what the right
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solution is for alberta the other thing with transition planning people immediately start
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to land about this is going to be what's the long-term plan for currency what's the long-term
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outlook for military long term we're not planning for that that is the job of the future legislature
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and that is their job to say what the long term is we're covering the period of time from when we
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win the referendum until a constitutional conference is held a new government is elected
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and they begin putting in the policies and laws required to operate the nation long term so we're
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we're scaffolding we're bridging the gap from winning that referendum till the new government
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being fully in force now one of the things we are developing is the model for the constitutional
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conference that is how do you handle transition authority and it's obviously danielle and the
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ucp presuming they're in power will be a big part of that because they are the government in power
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at the time of in the we win the referendum it covers that it also covers what's the method by
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which we choose the constitutional model we want to use in this country is it a republic is it a
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westminster system like matt says or as a bruce party's you know very strong libertarian outlook
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that's not for us to decide it's not for keith to decide me to decide we're going to put the tools
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in place to say let the people decide what the constitution should be and then let the people
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choose the leaders under that new constitution and let those leaders and those elected representatives
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make the decisions for the long term so it's not rocket science and there isn't a question on that
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list you just mentioned a minute ago that doesn't have a clear and simple answer yeah well that
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isn't that how it's supposed to be though it's supposed to be democracy or isn't the people
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supposed to decide and it's funny how you know the roadblocks that people are putting up and saying
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you don't have an answer for this that or the other thing they're totally oblivious to the fact
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that albertans people who are here people who voted you know that that we want we are for an
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independent nation um we're actually going to have a voice like like they're against that it's it's
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insane. It's insane how people don't understand that the whole point of this is to create a
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country that is not Canada. But we don't hate Canada. No. I don't hate Canadians. At all. And
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you know, I just don't see a way out of this anymore. And this is where we are. Yeah. And
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maybe two things. Finishing up on the transition plan a little bit. So just want to give a bit of
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background. We are writing those papers, roughly 19 subject areas. They're going to be reviewed by
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people who know the area. In many cases, they're written by subject matter experts. So it's not
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Dennis and Keith madly writing away in a dark corner somewhere. It's guys who know the subject
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area. They're actively writing, okay, how do you handle air traffic control? What's the right way
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to approach policing? What's the right way to do border services? All those kinds of things are
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being built by people who know those subject areas. They're going to get reviewed. We're
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checking them for integration to make sure they all line up with each other. And we'll publish
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roughly the end of July and then we will have a version of the transition plan and most critically
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we'll have a budget. Danielle Smith went online and said 400 billion and other people said 300
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billion. Complete and utter crap. Yep I was just going to get to that. Total crap. Yeah yeah the
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whole Danielle Smith the Premier Smith thing she was actually on my show and people said that I
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wasn't hard enough on her which I went and I looked back at the show and 100% I wasn't hard
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enough on her but the beautiful thing about this is she's going to be on my show every month now
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So I got to have an opportunity next month and the month after that and the month after that, right?
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And lately what I've been seeing come out of the Smith government is I'm a little bit disappointed in how she's advocating for, you know, to remain in Canada when actually she should just be governing the province, right?
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And she allowed us to go use direct democracy, go to a referendum on a referendum, and then from there we'll give the government a mandate of what we want, right?
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I'm going to be asking her questions surrounding that.
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But what do you see the elected officials doing?
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Because the Calgary Stampede was literally just here.
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And I was in a lot of those rooms with a lot of those elected officials.
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And I noticed one thing, same people, different venue.
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It was the same people in the room, the same bureaucrats, the same money, the same people.
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And they all sat there and they're saying, look at us, guys.
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We're doing photo ops and and we're going to we're going to get this built and you don't need to be independent.
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Well, first of all, it's really nice to go into a room and shake hands and take pretty pictures.
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And I look at these MOUs back in my business background.
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Just, hey, you and I agree to do sort of something that sort of looks like this.
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contracts. Show me the private proponents that are actually going to build this stuff. Government
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can't build crap. Look at how they run the post office for crying out loud. Yeah, good point.
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You know, so they're not builders, they're bureaucrats. I've worked in government a couple
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of times. I saw it up close, I've experienced it. Didn't like it, by the way. So for them to go and
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talk and beat their gums, that's wonderful. But then look and see what we're doing. So they actually
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are now saying things like EB in BC will get some sort of tolling or tariff on Alberta oil
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transits bc yeah where is that in the government of canada structure it's not it's supposed to be
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eliminated under our federal structure yet we're going ahead with it doug ford oh you wonderful
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man wonderful you know let's build a pipeline over the uh canadian shield into sarnia where's
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the market yeah tell me again where that extra million barrels a day is going to go sarnia is
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You think Plumondon under, uh, if the election in Quebec goes away, I think it will, he's
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going to allow a bit of oil drops, not on this, not on God's green earth.
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So when I hear all this stuff and I hear all these guys go, um, that means I think
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They're, they're afraid that maybe we're right.
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I think honestly, because you have people like me,
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people like yourself, and many of you guys watching right now
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It's not like you decided, okay, you know what?
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I just want to become independent because this is such a great movement.
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and doing your research to figure out what's exactly going on
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And then look at the work that you're doing with the white paper
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But what you said back then was, you know, about David Eby, Doug Ford, Quebec, all of that stuff is all the proof that anybody should need, in my opinion, that Canada is not working.
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So when they were in the stampede, taking pictures, shaking those hands, kissing the babies and saying Canada is working, you got a guy with David Eby that was paid off $13 billion basically to get out of the way.
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And then before that, it was a condo buyout to get out of the way.
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You have Wob Canoe, who's in Manitoba, who is an NDP diehard.
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So, again, ladies and gentlemen, we're bribing other Canadians to get our oil and gas to market that pays for social services that makes our country better.
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Okay, let's say they actually build the pipelines.
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Well, we still haven't changed the representation in the House of Commons.
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The fact that PEI has far more strength per voter than we do here.
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The Senate is still appointed and largely a liberal,
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certainly not aligned with the needs of each province.
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The courts are still the highest authority in the land,
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as opposed to Parliament, something that Pierre Trudeau did to us.
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And I see no plan by anybody to remediate those things.
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If Carney stood up tomorrow and said, we're holding a constitutional conference, we're building a proper bill of rights, we're making an elected Senate or some better structure for the Senate and so on and so forth.
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I might say, okay, maybe it's worth listening to the guy, but placating us with a couple of pipelines, especially with carbon capture tied to it is ridiculous.
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that pathways project for instance is a waste of taxpayer dollars to dump co2 in the ground that
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is actually going to do nothing nothing for anybody it's just a waste of taxpayer dollars
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to to to i don't i don't actually know what it's for because if you look at it brookfield's probably
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involved one way or another uh you know brookfield's got you can go down that rabbit hole all day and
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find out where they're making money but they've never made more money than they've ever made since
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mark carney's been in power right i can tell you that and that's facts you can go look that up
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Um, you know, the, the thing is, is, is the importance of Alberta independence is different
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And going back to Ottawa, you know, I was dumb.
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I was to sit there and I could say this and I've, I've said this publicly when I supported
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Independence. And if you don't want to support Alberta Independence,
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and said that she supports Alberta Independence yet.
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conservatives members of parliament to ottawa to be representing alberta never mind alberta british
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columbia saskatchewan right everywhere in the west and they have not been able to get anything
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done it's the british parliamentary system well i mean look at stephen harper yeah we had a
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conservative prime minister um he was one of the authors of the firewall letter he supported all
00:29:41.400
the kinds of things we think need to be done and he was in office for 10 years and i know
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He had some crises in minority governments, but he was unable to make any real material change to anything.
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Look at even Jason Kenney with the equalization referendum a few years back.
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My first eye-opening moment on the whole thing, maybe Canada's not working, was the NEP back in 1982.
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I remember I lived downtown as a young guy, 23 years old.
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And I was walking down the street before the NEP and I was bustling and buildings were coming up and people were running around and really active and hectic.
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A few months later, construction sites shut down.
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everything just died killed because of some guys in Ottawa making a decision that perhaps we ought
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to get more of the profit out of Alberta oil for the rest of Canada rather than the people that
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own it and the people of Alberta you start seeing those kind of things happen you start to move
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yeah well we if we want to go to a more recent time under Justin Trudeau we had Jagmeet Singh
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sitting there as like a proxy prime minister yep you know and he was basically controlling the writ
00:31:07.760
He was literally, you know, you can do this, Justin, if you do this.
00:31:13.200
And then just recently with Elizabeth May, the leader of the Green Party, which I believe is a one-seat party right now, was able to basically prop up the Liberal government with a budget and a non-confidence vote.
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There's no doubt if you look at the system, there are projects that just can't get done.
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I get chastised for being a pretendian all over the place.
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So we're going to get to First Nations in a second.
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But before we do, ladies and gentlemen, please like and share the live everywhere.
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No matter what stream you're looking at, it doesn't really matter.
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Maybe she won't invite you over for Christmas dinner.
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So if you guys could make it up there to Airdrie tonight,
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I'm giving a hundred bucks to Jason Levine's TPA.
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please like and share first nations all right so the first nations have been having a big stink
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and and at least their leaders have their leaders yes and that's very important because
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sunday night i'm recording an episode with the first nations guy who was on our side
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and you know and basically there are a lot of them on our side there there are i tried recording
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with four other people once people found out who it was then all of a sudden they said no
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I can't do it because they were getting bullied and harassed and everything else.
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They're basically gaslighting, I believe, the population and saying that we're going
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against their treaty rights for asking a question.
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My confusion there is this, and I don't know your stance on this, but if that is what they're
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going to stand on and that's what they're going to fight, that means every time the
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government makes a decision in the legislature they need yep consultation under under their
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understanding yes and what does consultation mean yeah in normal world consultation if i have to
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consult with you on a topic i hear your opinion we discuss it i see what it can be done to work
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in your thoughts or um what you desire into what i'm doing and at some point you may decide to
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agree to disagree and sorry i'm going ahead of this anyway another time you say hey we're able
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to work out some middle ground we both live with that's consultation what i hear a lot of these
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indigenous leaders saying is they want to veto they don't like something or somebody or some
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question or some act or some law they want to stop it yeah well that's not consultation that's a veto
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yeah and i think on independence the part that people lose is that you know the indian act is
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not exactly working well no i've got a couple of people i deal with a lot first nations people i
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asked them things i've given them uh clauses out of the constitution relating to first the first
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nations and ask them things like could you live with this if this is how we handle treaty rights
00:34:40.100
could you live with it now it's a small number of people but they say yeah we could because we don't
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like the indian act as it stands and we'd rather take our chances with alberta and have a new deal
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with a new structure that that gives us much better options and equality i think then people
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they would take that yeah yeah and the thing is what i like to remind people too because i i've
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dealt with treaties my own treaty and then i've read other treaties you know there's a big
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misinterpretation of the treaty people people don't understand what ceded territory means
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that's a whole other argument for another day i don't want to get into that in this one
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um but there's not one treaty in this country that has ever been adhered to by the federal crown
00:35:20.040
there just isn't so what i see is we have leaders who are misrepresenting their base yes and and
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their people going out there for one reason or another to now stay in Canada and to go as far
00:35:34.260
as going across the pond to the king. Yeah. Right. And, and taking a photo op with him and you got
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in the head and entry on the other side, taking photo ops and, and, and playing political games.
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But if you had a first nations chief in the room today, if we had one in the room and I'm working
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on it, I'm trying to get first nations chief. So if you're a first nation chief out there and
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you know, you want to have a discussion with me respectfully, I absolutely want to talk to you.
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I'd be saying, is your life under Canada what you want it to be for yourself and your people?
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All the people you represent, is that what you really want for them?
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Because your poverty rate's through the roof.
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Your life expectancy is, what, 19 years shorter than for non-Indigenous people.
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If the answer is yes, that's what I want, that paints one picture.
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Okay, what's the path by which these things get resolved?
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ever more money or how about we try a different approach what about pursuing freedom true freedom
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for your people let indigenous people yeah they should have their own reserves and own it be their
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land yes we have to accommodate the fact that we have obligations that we made to them 100 plus
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years ago we have to discharge that contract as it were we have to deal with those things
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how about we deal with them in a more modern way in a way that will persevere and last for a long
00:36:54.040
time. But more critically, it will give you and your people the freedom to run things the way
00:36:59.320
you and your people want them to be run. Yeah, and that's very well said. And the
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important thing that I've been saying is actually have real consequences for people breaking the
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rules and the law. Because right now, the federal government, we still have, I believe, six,
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and don't quote me on this, but six First Nation reservations with boil water advisories,
00:37:18.480
clean drinking water. It's 2026. Justin Trudeau, back in his campaign, he said that he was going
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to get rid of that altogether he was going to clean up the drinking water 10 years to do it
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never did it right but he definitely sat in front of a rock that was in the ground with a teddy bear
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to win the election and in in saskatchewan with the residential schools um you know the first
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nations are great people they're beautiful people um they they have a rich rich heritage and they
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have a very very stained past yes and the crown has treated them terribly i look at alberta
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independence as being that opportunity to right a wrong and make a better deal with them that will
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have real consequences if those deals are broken. And it just boggles my mind and frustrating that
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they're just siding with the crown. And it's not First Nations people. I think you said it good.
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I said it right. It's the leaders. It's truly the leaders.
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Well, and Ezra Levant did some polling and that was not huge numbers, but he saw close to half
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of Indigenous people are in favor of separation, the rank and file, the normal, the average First
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Nations person. So you think roughly half are on board. That's not that far off what the rest
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of Alberta thinks, and maybe even slightly higher. So I think we have to take into account that
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we want to build a country where all are equal. We want to build a country where all have freedom
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to live their life as best they can and that includes first nations people it brings tears to
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my eyes to see all this suffering and all this pain has been caused for a century or more when
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there are ways to fix it yeah so let's fix it for once for all yeah no i i absolutely agree
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ladies and gentlemen we're going to do it again albertatelephone.com i'm reminding you of it this
00:39:10.780
is the whole purpose of this let's get those tpas filled up we have to get some money out to them
00:39:16.880
we are combating cbc ctv global and uh also forever canadian who doesn't have to report
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anything and they're driving around this this province in a bus and they're saying that they're
00:39:26.500
not campaigning which is absolutely insane i'm going to read this little sheet of paper for you
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00:39:40.680
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00:40:37.820
let's talk about undecided people let's talk about the people that i run into every day now uh right
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now i'm between a ball tournament so i was at my daughter's ball game this morning had to change in
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the parking lot got into this stuff and then i'm going to change again and go back to the ball
00:40:54.460
field and a guy was asking me and he knows who i am he knows i have a podcast he knows i'm pro
00:40:57.980
independence and he said Lawrence he's like I just don't understand why we can't fix Canada and we
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talked about it a little bit already you and I in this in this show but what do we say to those
00:41:09.140
people because I give them the 1.3 trillion dollars in debt you know 590 with Harper like
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how can you see after three trillion in 2030 what this is going to look like you know it some of
00:41:21.340
them just are comfortable in the status quo and and you know what do we say to them what else can
00:41:26.760
we give to them? Is there anything in the value of freedom that we can give to them? Is there
00:41:30.340
something that we can be saying different? Well, I don't think, I think we've covered some of this
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already. I mean, where's Canada going to be in 10 years if we don't change our trajectory?
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You know, show me a path. That's the thing I ask them. Let's discuss what's wrong. Structural
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problems with government, courts, highest, you know, highest authority in the land, you know,
00:41:52.360
the spending, we discussed all that. Okay. So let's agree on the set of problems. And quite often
00:41:57.940
people say, yeah, I agree with that. That's bad. That's bad. That's bad. Fine. What do we do about
00:42:02.460
it? Let's take them one by one. How do you fix the overspending? How do you fix the representation
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question? How do you deal with equalization? And you know what really gets to me? Not one of them
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has ever given a solid answer. No one's come back and said, okay, here's a path by which we can
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remediate the constitution change these things go back to the older system where parliament was
00:42:23.380
supreme blah blah blah you don't see that at all so then at some point you have to discuss these
00:42:29.360
people and say so there is no path within canada to fix it yeah let's take then take my side for
00:42:36.460
a minute let's pretend that you're willing to be independent what would the country of alberta look
00:42:41.200
like and that's where the value of freedom comes in because that document was put together to make
00:42:47.280
the case that an independent Alberta is fiscally viable. It was not, here are the policies of future
00:42:54.400
Alberta, they're example policies, meant to say, if we just keep the money we send out today,
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keep it in Alberta, we have enough money to keep the provincial spending the way it is today,
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as country spending, compensate for all the federal programs and transfers that currently go
00:43:11.380
out, but to come back, stand up and operate the services like military and policing and so forth
00:43:17.160
that we need, that are provided by Canada, and still have enough left over to be able to give
00:43:23.080
some tax relief. Now, let's walk through those numbers. Where have I got it wrong? I've had
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dozens of conversations with people. Prove me wrong. Find in that document where the numbers
00:43:35.740
are wrong where the assumptions are so far out as to make the outcome change and to this point no
00:43:41.620
one has now to be fair we're going to do an update or i'm going to do an update on the value of
00:43:46.720
freedom uh once you get the transition plan done and it's costing done we'll make the two tie
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together and and there are some things that if i could do it over again i wouldn't have done it
00:43:56.020
that way some of the structures of how we put the numbers together and clear it up and clean it up
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So now, hypothetical person at your ball tournament.
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So here's the Canadian world where there's no path to fix this.
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But let's presume we can work through the risks.
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Albertans are good at dealing with tough problems and solving them.
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Now, when we get there, let me see, you have lower taxes.
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you're viable very viable financially you're next door to the largest market in the world
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the usa you know there's no reason why we can't have good relations with canada there's no reason
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why not what's bad about that answer yeah you're absolutely correct and when you talk about having
00:44:47.280
relationship with canada that has to happen totally right and people think that canada is
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just going to cut off alberta from everything they don't realize that we have the cpkc line
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that goes through Alberta from the Port of Vancouver.
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And I don't know about you, but every time there's a port strike,
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You know, Canadian Tire's not getting their stuff.
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And do you know much about the negotiating power,
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That's some of the white papers I was working on.
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I mean, the guts of us, we do have very large leverage with Canada.
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There's about 90 billion of east-west trade that occurs.
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The rest of us, the rest of our trade is with the Americans, 80% plus.
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And the rest of Canada imports from us mainly things that are hard to displace, energy and
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Manufactured goods, financial services like banks,
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The Americans would love to provide those to us.
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It's also good for Canada to sell those services to us.
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So why wouldn't we come to the point where we rapidly realize
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and we'll do it on a fair and reasonable basis.
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they would they would be forced right they would they would absolutely be forced we could force
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them yeah to have to negotiate with us because they get so much from alberta yeah you know
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everything has to come through alberta yes and and that's not something that i want to see where
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we're we're fighting like you know two cats in a barn i i want to see us collaborate and work
00:46:42.300
together and you know moving into the kind of the last segment of the show here is back to when we
00:46:49.760
talking about the stampede with you know them all coming here and trying to show canada is working
00:46:54.080
it's kind of what carney is doing now yes right carney has come out with all these major
00:46:57.840
announcements he wants to he wants to do all this power grid uh he wants to upgrade it he's saying
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you know stay not leave like all this other stuff and carney i believe is just here to do what
00:47:11.360
trudeau was doing and just finish it off that's my belief anyway and he's very anti-alberta and
00:47:17.840
trying to be pro-alberta he's a he's a central control guy he he could very well fit in the
00:47:24.140
soviet union of uh you know the 80s and before he believes in centralized control and centralized
00:47:30.480
operation that model's been proven false over and over and over again and so he's trying to
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essentially run roughshod over things like provincial jurisdictions i worked at the grid
00:47:42.240
operator the iso for a few years one of my uh more interesting pieces of work and power is
00:47:49.920
essentially a provincial jurisdiction every province has a different there is some benefit
00:47:55.640
in making sure the grids interconnect and can support each other that's a pretty limited thing
00:48:00.100
and it's done today we already get power in from bc to handle brownout type conditions and so forth
00:48:06.640
and they get some stuff from us too so why are you trying to exert more control on that particular
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part of provincial life because he's a centralist he wants it centralized he wants to get rid of the
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option for alberta to do its own thing because he knows alberta's different yeah he knows alberta's
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strong and he knows if he doesn't stop it now it may never be able to be stopped well burtons are
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just built different right totally we are just built different and you know you look i will go
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back to marty who's coming on here in a minute like i was in snowstorm sleep and and rain and
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many of you guys out there were doing the exact same thing so thank you for that thank you so
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much from my heart and my family's heart you know we're just built different we believe in something
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we want to we want to achieve that goal and achieve that mission uh mark carney and danielle
00:48:57.080
smith and many of these premiers are doing a damn good job though at chiseling away at at
00:49:02.280
at people's already brainwashed people through the CBC and the CTV and it's comments all the
00:49:08.720
time. It's never going to happen. It's never going to happen. And then now with the threats
00:49:11.960
of violence and all this other stuff, I think by donating to these TPAs, you know, I think
00:49:18.140
what we're doing today with the telethon is very important. So let's close it off. Let's talk
00:49:23.020
about the TPAs. Let's talk about what they're going to do and how it complements the stuff
00:49:26.740
that you guys are doing with the white paper. Okay. So the TPAs, as we said earlier, they're
00:49:31.720
pursuing all sorts of paths signs um you know the spreading the message around door-to-door type
00:49:39.180
stuff get out the vote kind of stuff all sorts of things that i'm not really good at yeah but what
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they need is information and content so there are many people who rightly ask okay dennis you made
00:49:51.360
the financial case in the valley of freedom that hey we can survive financially but i don't see how
00:49:56.840
we get from being a province to being a nation. That feels awfully scary. And have you thought
00:50:03.040
about this? Have you thought about that? So we need to write it out in black and white. And that's
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what the transition plan is going to be. Now it'll be, there'll be a very complex version with all
00:50:13.280
the jargon in it. We're going to make a simplified version in communication materials so people can
00:50:18.180
get it without having to read through. Because most of these papers are between 20 and 40 pages.
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But we want to make the case that there is a workable, doable, plausible path
00:50:34.180
to get from being a province to being a country.
00:50:38.380
When we put that out, it will not be under Keith and Tanya
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It will be a bunch of us volunteers went through a hypothetical case,
00:50:51.080
put together a plan that we believe would work and now all the tpas can use it share it and promote
00:50:58.420
it to people who have that question yeah no that's that's super important so what uh is there a
00:51:04.040
timeline do we have a timeline yet obviously it's got to come out before october right before we go
00:51:08.700
in october i know a lot of you guys are doing work and it is important to emphasize these aren't
00:51:14.960
alberta rednecks you know hanging out and just in and you know putting together a white paper you
00:51:20.060
guys are professionals with professional backgrounds from industry oh yeah and you're
00:51:24.280
putting this all together oh yeah we've got people who are recognized subject matter experts in their
00:51:30.400
field people from oil and gas people from transportation people from taxation uh we've
00:51:36.540
got lawyers involved of course because many of them see the agreements that operate the country
00:51:41.000
in detail there's about 40 ish people involved right now the timeline that we're aiming for is
00:51:47.600
end of July to put at least the first draft out, and it will be a draft. We're not going to put
00:51:53.060
it out there and say, here is the plan, go chisel it in stone somewhere. It's going to be, here's
00:51:57.740
what we think will work, and then we'll look for other people who know the area to say, yeah, but
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you missed this, or I think there's a better way to do that. We're already taking input. I think
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that's actually the appropriate way to do it, to be honest, is you guys get together in a room,
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you guys are putting this together, put it out to the people as a draft, because you never know
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who's going to read that right there's going to be another expert from some industry or
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some other guy who who might have a better idea and i think that's what we need to do as albertans
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i think we do that really well as albertans and that's why they try to shut down us having
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conversations you know i just i just wanted to remind the viewers at home that today c9 has
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started so the online hate speech act is has now started so there'll be another reason to go and
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support alberta independence because bullshit bills like that will not happen in an independent
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Alberta we'd be free to speak our mind and do what we're doing um you know so so I look forward
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to that white paper end of July you said that's a draft and uh and any final words that you have
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for people on Alberta independence on the undecided because on the decided like we can sit here and
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talk we're both decided right we want Alberta independence and we can sit here and have these
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conversations and I love having these conversations but I'm really starting to love having the
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conversation with undecided what's the best ammo we can give somebody that is the core group
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You know, I mean, the town halls are wonderful and they're great fun, but face it, everyone in the room has already decided or so close to it that it doesn't matter.
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It's the, it's the people, you know, the people you work with to ask them, Hey, what's your position on it?
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Have a respectful conversation with them and say, why do you think we should stay in Canada?
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What are your concerns with things we've talked about?
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And try and give them information, not to try and force them to decide at the moment, but be respectful, be thoughtful and say,
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hey that's enough for today but can we get together for a beer next week and discuss it further
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that's the way you bring people over yeah you know what i live in a little town outside of calgary
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called langdon yep very it is a redneck town i'm not gonna lie it is it's it's the good luck town
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it's got a horseshoe as a symbol and i was driving out because they were doing the langdon days
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parade today so i have to do a different way out and there's a house that i never see because i
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don't go out that way that had forever canadian plastered all over it you want to know what i did
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but i drove by yeah right i drove by but yet on the other side we have people kicking over signs
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spray painting signs you know being vandal vandals to businesses we don't need to do that on our side
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never our job is to educate right our job is to love our province do this for our kids we don't
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have to get violent we don't have to do that no and and you know what they're all citizens yeah
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we you know i i pick on bruce and matt we have radically different views on how the country
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should be run. But you know, we're three good friends. We go for a beer, we laugh, we talk,
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we argue. Yeah, but what about this and what about that? We sat through six hours of sessions a few
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weeks ago. And you know what? We had good conversations. And there's no reason why people
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cannot have that same style of conversation with their neighbors, with their friends, their
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co-workers. Absolutely. Well, Dennis, this was actually absolutely amazing. It's my first time
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talking to you and i know i met you at the at the pancake breakfast last sunday you came up and we
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knew we were going to be matched up in this and i was like dennis i want to hear anything i i i just
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want to go in there i want to be raw i want to be real i just want want to have a chat with you and
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this actually was awesome ladies and gentlemen the value of freedom right here can anybody get
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access to this it's online at the app website download it and uh yeah get it awesome thanks so
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much my man i appreciate it thank you that's an awkward one but that works ladies and gentlemen
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You're going to want to go to albertatelethon.com.
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So that's going to be the battle cry for our movement.
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That's what the whole thing with all these events are for.
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People understand that they're part of a group of like-minded people
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that think and have the same ambitions and goals as they have.
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Slow roll down from Edmonton, high beams cutting through
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Northbound up from Calgary, every small town waiting on you
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Truck stop, coffee coolin' between petitions in the rain
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Every name like gasoline, kickin' up that rebel choir
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Before I introduce everybody, including myself,
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i'm laughing because uh max our producer was in the background counting down 10 9 8 and and jason
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said the same thing that was going on my mind we're on a rocket by the way that would be insane
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to be on top of a rocket waiting to be launched like i don't think i would do it it'd be less
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stressful this is right now though so welcome back folks uh i'm the host for the next hour of the uh
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the alberta telethon so i'm marty up north i'm sure uh some of you guys know me if you don't
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I'm just one of the local guys here in Calgary who got a bit of a following during independence because I spent about 200 hours on the side of the highway collecting signatures.
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So, by the way, this is a telethon about third party advertisers.
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So you're not actually going to donate to this telethon.
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You're going to donate to third party advertisers.
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And I have with me some of the original people who set up a TPA.
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Is it your first TPA or did you have one for other events in the past?
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So we were one of the few that actually did a TPA during the petition period, the signature period.
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And then we did a second TPA during the referendum campaigning period.
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Okay. And so for, for viewers, right, TPA is third party advertising, third party advertisers. Right. So, and, and there's several various or different ones that can be set up. Some are set up for campaigning during political campaigns. Some are set up. Now there's been a bit of confusion because yours is not the, some of the ones set up currently are for the referendum. Yours is set up for the referendum.
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Okay, I thought it was under a different category.
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And how complicated is that just to set up a TPA?
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The whole point is, though, that there is forms to fill out.
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And one of the interesting things I discovered is that when completing the form,
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the very last set is they ask you to basically answer the 10-question referendum that's upcoming,
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the yes so the questions one to nine was a yes no and then the very last one question 10 was
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option one option two wow okay and um why why would you set up a tpa what what motivated you
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guys to want to set up a tpa the first one during the petition period when the signatures were being
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collected we were doing lots of events going out there doing our events which we're doing anyways
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we've been doing this way before the petition period but there was concern about whether or
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not we were crossing the line in any way shape or form because we do collect donations to put
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our events on and we are talking about independent subject matter but we weren't actually saying go
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sign we weren't actually doing that step of saying go sign because if you did that then you have to
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be a tpa and then as uh this kind of grew out uh mitch sylvester and his team stay free alberta
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felt far more comfortable using events that have tpas associated with them if they're going to send
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campaign or canvassers there so we wanted to make sure everybody was comfortable with that yeah i
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Like, what's the difference between being a journalist?
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Because you guys are fundamentally journalists,
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but then you sort of cross a line during a campaign
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where you're not just reporting on the campaign?
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then you're now in the third party advertiser category.
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during the petition period not to cross that line
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because we wanted to focus on the journalism and have speakers.
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Now, luckily for the Alberta elections rules for financial contributions,
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if you're doing speeches, commentary, news, those are exceptions.
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But we took that step just to be safe and be careful.
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When it comes to the current one, the referendum one,
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because we've taken a conscious decision to say vote option two on October 19th,
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And we definitely are spending a lot more than $1,000 on this campaign.
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And before we move on, I just want to, just about you, you crossed the line in a big way
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I've been doing a lot to get involved because that was my initial motivation was to represent
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my neighbors and get involved behind the scenes inside of lawmaking.
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That's why I ran as an MP in the federal and a counselor for the municipal.
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Still are. Yeah. You've ran for politics, not successfully, though, at this point.
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Well, it was a great learning experience from that perspective, for sure.
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Yeah. And then you've done media and now you're in this instance, you're a bit of a, what would you call it? A lobbyist?
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A proper word? Campaigner. Okay. Okay. Excellent. Yeah. You know, I mean, I was in sort of not quite the same way.
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A lot of people think that I'm more than a private citizen,
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but I'm a private citizen who perhaps has an audience
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I avoided, I did not become a canvasser at first
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I literally was worried about that, that they would come and say, well, you're not a private citizen.
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And then I realized, no, I'm a private citizen and I can collect signatures.
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And so I was reluctant at first, but then I, you know, I jumped on board and became a canvasser.
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I spent, not just me, actually, me and my wife, Karen.
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We became somewhat of a popular among canvassers because we had a very, I call it like a fishing spot, right?
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At first, I'd load my pickup truck with my signs, the flags were the lure, and then I would drive around.
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And in the beginning, I'd tried a couple of different places.
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I honestly thought at first it was going to be very easy to just collect signatures.
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and eventually we found a cool spot it was my fishing hole right so it was the corner of uh
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bow valley bow trail and bear's paw road and we became a fixture there and people would come
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and um sign a petition and we spent i'd say about 200 hours like 200 hours all told uh collecting
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by the way and and the people came to visit us i was amazed at the generosity and i was worried
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about that too right i had people who would bring something as simple as a coffee and i i would post
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about that you know a picture of me with somebody and saying thank you for bringing me a coffee and
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i had people report us yep yeah i saw that and that that was unfortunate yeah yeah yeah reporting
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me for accepting a coffee i'm like anyways uh you know so so what do you guys uh what what's
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what are you doing with this money that you're collecting as a third-party advertiser every dime
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in a dime has to go out we have to report all of that by the end because anything that's left over
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at the end it has to go to a charity or elections alberta so we want zero dollars left at the end
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back to elections alberta you have to spend it spend it so we're doing lawn signs we're doing
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digital billboards we're doing events booking the venues flying people out accommodations all of
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those are valid campaign uh expenses yeah so we're doing a lot of that and and and then you're you're
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I guess you're constantly navigating that fine line between because you still are journalists or do you suspend your journalism during this period?
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We bring on guests, anybody that wants to come on, we talk to them.
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But then after we take that hat off, we get onto the road and do other things.
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And Paula's been fantastic with the books and making sure everything's separate so we're not crossing any lines.
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In fact, she gets so detail oriented that she'll call Elections Alberta and say, we want to sell hats. How are we allowed to do that? We want to do it correctly. How do we allocate that money? How do we account for the cost? How do we do that? And she does a lot of those phone calls.
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We'll come back to that. I want to know about the relationship you personally have with Elections Alberta, but before we go too far. So like I said, this is a telethon. I have a hard time with that word. I don't know why. Telethon.
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and um there's no phones around yeah so if you go to www.albertatelethon.com you will see all
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the tpas they're all listed there so at this event this week we're promoting seven of them i think
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there's a few more i think there's about 12 maybe 13 um i i don't think i i might be mistaken but i
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think that 12 or the seven are listed on the screen next to me here if not go to albertatelethon.com
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and they're listed there now if you want to donate to them you have to donate to them individually
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and so in your case what's your tpa called where do people go to donate to yours so the levine show
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dot com forward slash tpa and then you click on the donate button there you can check our events
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you can become a volunteer you can request a lawn sign everything's on that particular page and so
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uh and every tpa is probably set up differently i imagine different but the same at the same
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about the same kind of thing okay and what do you like how do people donate is
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it credit cards is it PayPal what is it so we do credit card and we also do e
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transfer so the way we did our e transfers you request the link from us
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by filling in the details we need in order to accept it because e transfers
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if we just put the email address on the website people can send it to them and
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we don't collect their information and if we don't know who they are and we
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can't contact them back that money goes straight to Elections Alberta not us
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Now, do they audit you, the elections in Alberta?
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We'll also be then accounting for each of our expenses.
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we can't accept it and we can't we then subsequently and there's rules around
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identifying the contributor where the contributor's from yes yes where do they have to be from they
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have to be a resident of alberta sorry for those who are out of province who would love to support
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the cause and the one who did and the one who did the gentleman from manitoba he wanted to
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he actually sent a contribution by a credit card and when i looked i was like oh manitoba sorry
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so I reached out to him saying sorry we have to refund
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and you want to contribute or do something for the movement
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Share the stuff out, have conversations with people,
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But when it comes to the financial contributions,
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Now there's, I mean, I'm not advocating loopholes,
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and you have a bucket there and you're collecting a few bucks from people at that event,
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So we contacted Elections Alberta about that on two different fronts.
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And two, how do we control whether or not they put $50 or less in there?
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And what Elections Alberta actually guided us on is that you can pass the bucket
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You don't have to do anything as the bucket's going around.
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So they answered that question clearly because in the federal election,
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And we actually had to take attendance and then do the math and see what the average was.
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And if we fell outside the average, then we had some trouble.
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I mean, I am in favor, but at the same time, it's an example of our democracy.
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Some of our institutions are becoming so complicated for just the average person to participate.
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right like to me this is like wow this is this is the steps you have to take as a third party
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advertiser as a politician as a candidate did you have to take similar steps absolutely yeah for
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sure especially on the municipal one too we had to make sure where donations were coming from and
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they had to be from the area we didn't actually do donations during the campaign the missile one
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we actually just covered that ourselves but the federal one we had the same thing we had to
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register everybody. So being a politician is, or running, representation running is no longer just
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about, hey, putting your hand up at a nomination meeting and say, I'm happy to run as the MLA or
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the MP. There's criminal record checks. We have to go through the, provide all court cases we've
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ever been involved in. There's a lot of background that goes into this now. And to me, as an observer,
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it feels like certain people have to jump through more hoops than others. Because when I look at all
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the politicians that are elected at all levels in our country i go wow there's no way that person
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did what you just said right um now i mean i want to jump in i was going to go to the bit of the
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double standard but but before we go there how is your relationship with elections alberta um it's
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pretty good i can't complain they are available by email and by call and when we have had this like
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you know what we're going to be doing an event later we've got some questions i give them a call
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i've been fortunate enough to get a call back if i've had to leave a message so um no complaints
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quite frankly and the tools work like the tools work my little little time consuming yeah it's
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time consuming but my little wish list would be that uh right now we we um submit our contributions
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we have the ability to do it throughout the day and then we file on thursdays i'd love to do that
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with our expenses so i have this disconcerned at the end of it all i'm not just going to be giving
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them one number but because i'm probably gonna have to itemize everything i'd love i'd love to
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be able to be submitting that right now so that's on the suggestion box yeah and again you know um
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i mean i don't want to get controversial here but the private sector you guys are providing some
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pretty important financial reporting and and as part of transparency and i don't think that
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transparency is reciprocated by our government no in fact there's three exceptions to who has
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to do the transparency requirements on any of this.
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They can go and advertise for this referendum all day long
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So they're right now on the, let's call it the stay side.
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Is that what we're calling it, the stay side?
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So on the stay side, there are a couple of groups that are prominent.
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In your opinion, should he be following the same rules as you?
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So I have some legal training, and there's two things I want to explain here.
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There's the letter of the law and then the spirit of the law.
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The letter of the law says you cannot go over 60 kilometers an hour.
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The spirit of the law is, well, in an emergency, you're running to the hospital.
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yeah uh under the letter of the law he's on the safe side right now because he's not even saying
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option one he's not mentioning the date he's not telling them what to do on the referendum which
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is the line yeah however on the spirit of the law is he campaigning by all metrics and measures for
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sure right so he's he's uh he's walking a very fine line so his posters for instance don't say
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choose a or b his posters are choose unity choose unity okay so he gets away with that and that was
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It was last week and I read that one. It was basically
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here, Thomas, here are the rules and you're okay.
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Yeah. It's basically the bulletin. Okay, because I
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NDP logo in the bottom corner. There is, at the very bottom
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think. I'll have to go see where they stand on all
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Tories or something? That's the Alberta Party rebranded.
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um yeah okay so where um where do we go from here let me give you some of the legal
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not so much loopholes but some of the things people don't understand that they can do
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so not that you're advocating this you know i'm just pointing out providing the rules you're
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providing so the rules are cash donations or donations of 50 or less does not require a tpa
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to get your identity there's no rule that says you can't make a subsequent and a subsequent and
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And a subsequent FYI, um, two 50 and up, you end up, no, not two 50 up two 50 and below.
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You do not end up on the Alberta, uh, elections, Alberta website with your name in the report,
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So if you gave us two 50 and another one, two 50, it's not like suddenly you end up
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And, uh, the last one I want to let people know is there's no age limit.
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I do go to the elections in Alberta, and I go pull the financial reports.
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I mean, that's one of the things I do on X, right, is I'm showing people how to be good citizens.
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If you're not involved politically, maybe you're not running, but you should still know what's going on and go to the website and go check out Thomas Lukasik's financial statements.
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Thomas, he hasn't disclosed that for this period.
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607 000 so between between the there's we're promoting seven tpas here like i said there's
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perhaps a dozen but if we if the seven each do 600 000 that's only three and a half million bucks
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like or four and a half million bucks ballpark right um compared to the other side compared to
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nenshi compared to others that's not a lot and that doesn't go very far right now we learned this
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during um we learned this during the petition collection period the signature collection
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period like people said we should uh you know stay free alberta should have done more big events
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a big event at uh a big event at most halls is what like if you're going to rent a hall somewhere
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and you're going to try and you did an event you and i went on on a tour uh for when in april what's
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a typical event i would say the average is about 800 bucks or so right for 100 to 150 people but
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you get higher than that then it definitely gets so you get events and then buying flags buying
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trying to get advertising if we could get advertising right like uh could you could we run
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an ad on the ctv technically the crct they can't deny you yeah but in canada they don't have the
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equal opportunity rules like they do in the us so the democrats have to get so much and so the
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republicans they have to have equal amount yeah we don't have those rules yeah and they can in their
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own way deny you and then you have to take it up to the next stage because i've honestly not seen
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any ads on the platforms that i'm familiar like i'm on youtube a lot i see ndp ads on youtube all
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the time i haven't seen any of our group our side put any advertising so far maybe some will come
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um where was i going with oh this is a question i was going to ask so
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am i ever at risk of getting a knock in a letter from elections alberta like i mean i don't
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option two, yes, no. Because I am pretty close to
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Okay, but the $8 I pay Elon Musk to be on that platform.
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It's well under $1,000, so I can stay on X all day long
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and say, hey, folks, vote for Alberta independence.
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It actually says, if you're online and you're just doing posts,
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But if you boost them, then you're spending money, then they count.
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But the fact that I make a few bucks online, that's...
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It has to be expenses to advertise them by you.
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I'm allowed to make income, but I'm not. Okay, cool.
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exception to the rules. So if you're commentating,
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you have more financial restrictions you cannot do anything until the rits drop
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all day long all the time they can actually collect donations at any time and put it towards
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the campaign when the writ drops as an independent you can't do that and you also have limits on your
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personal contributions that you don't see on a party level either so there's even restrictions
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so if you really think canada can vote in an independent candidate and i went through all of
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this this is what was so difficult was on the financial side we actually have a lot more
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restrictions on us probably the fastest path is run under one of the parties and even the purple
01:24:53.860
one kicked out even the purple one but uh that does allow you to have a lot more access to
01:24:59.060
financial support yeah yeah interesting yeah it's uh i worry about the censorship side of it and
01:25:05.800
it's getting worse i joke but i don't think it's a joke i think many of us will not be on social
01:25:10.060
media in a year from now we'll have been silenced to the point where we'll be we'll just give up
01:25:15.420
there's no doubt elections alberta's watching right now yeah and there's no doubt that there's
01:25:19.560
people out there trying to find us and find a slip up and send it to elections alberta and
01:25:23.560
report it like i'm good probably 20 everybody watching right now are hoping we fail because
01:25:28.580
they're trying to find a way to get us in trouble yeah and and i've lived it i'm sure you live it
01:25:33.400
but there there are things that happen in our lives now as as as commentators as influencers
01:25:39.040
as people putting our necks out there on a cause,
01:25:42.360
there are things that start to happen that are not coincidences.
01:25:44.840
I've had way too many weird events in the last four months
01:25:58.140
And when we do the long sign handouts and stuff,
01:26:04.660
that never picks up a sign and they just hang out.
01:26:08.460
When I had my pop-up, they weren't even hiding it.
01:26:12.820
I mean, the way I was managing it, I had a pretty good group of volunteers, right?
01:26:21.780
But I got into the habits, like nobody's going alone.
01:26:24.320
Like there'd be days where I might have to run somewhere and Karen would say, well, I'll go.
01:26:33.620
And there was one day where I wasn't there and I get a text and it's one of my buddies says,
01:26:37.500
there's a van parked across the street and they got they got they got eyes on us is what he said
01:26:41.860
i'm like okay so i drove over there i went knocked on the door and that guy was uh not very nice
01:26:47.300
right away and then he put the camera on me turned out that he was that one was a genuine
01:26:52.700
i accept his the explanation afterwards that he was genuinely looking for somebody else okay but
01:27:00.180
anyways um are they knocking on the door no no no like i'm like um i mean time goes by fast but
01:27:06.700
doesn't go by that fast so um so what else so um let's talk a bit about independence then so what
01:27:14.460
brought you guys on to the movement uh i'll start with that one so before the federal election run
01:27:20.460
i was talking to a lot of people as part of my candidacy i was going out there talking to people
01:27:24.860
and that was the number one thing people brought up that they're tired of trying because as a
01:27:29.340
federal candidate trying to change the system on the federal level that's my platform here are the
01:27:34.700
the things I want to do for you here are the changes I want to bring to you and a lot of people
01:27:38.020
are going well that's great but we just want out we don't want you to try and fix it it's already
01:27:41.960
broken yeah so I had a lot of conversations like that that made me go huh maybe they're right and
01:27:47.880
as I was making my way towards uh April 25th uh to actually have the vote I started to understand
01:27:53.080
that what the representation that was wanted from me in Parkland County was to represent uh
01:27:59.480
Sovereign Alberta, whatever that looked like and head towards a vote and then represent them after
01:28:04.820
the vote. So that's what I put into my campaign messaging was the support of Maxine Bernier who
01:28:09.420
said, absolutely, a Sovereign Alberta is the right message. Go do that. Because that's what I was
01:28:14.800
going to promise to my constituency was if you vote for this, I will be that voice in the house
01:28:20.620
that fights for you on this because that house is not going to fight for you.
01:28:23.780
But you, okay, so you heard that from constituents and so you're acting as the
01:28:28.340
representative but had you made that same sort of not yet you hadn't jumped there okay so on april
01:28:34.820
25th you're late to the part or late-ish to the i went through an education phase first to
01:28:40.060
understand really what are all the generational issues with canada yeah because i came to alberta
01:28:45.500
late in life and then that's where i got that education and then the actual election results
01:28:50.360
where we saw the two parties go as high as they ever been we've seen before third parties all
01:28:55.100
took a nosedive all albertans got behind the conservatives and it didn't change anything
01:29:00.340
by 806 the results came out and we weren't even counting our votes yet yeah so at that moment i'm
01:29:06.160
like that was the last chance to try and fix canada in the old system that's when and let me
01:29:10.540
show you the actual decision was uh jeff rath reached out to me uh election night and he read
01:29:15.800
to me his message to alberta that he released the next day and it was a great message it was very
01:29:20.440
inspiring. Then Mitch Sylvester talked to me. He said, we got 4,000 new members an hour since the
01:29:26.800
election was called. And we're very, very excited about going. And then Danielle Smith sent a
01:29:32.220
message and said, watch for my announcement tomorrow. We're doing election reform and we're
01:29:37.360
going to make sure that everybody's ready for this. And that was when she dropped it to 10%
01:29:41.140
and other things. That's when I knew that there was a huge drive to push towards independence
01:29:46.420
amongst all of the movers and shakers that that that win that night was uh of carney was a great
01:29:52.380
push for independence but i just want to come back to something perhaps maybe not everybody who heard
01:29:58.580
what he just said is familiar with this but i'll go back a few years earlier back in the um so
01:30:04.860
when there's an election when there's a federal election we used to be in a total blackout yeah
01:30:10.520
back in those days that's right when in those days we used to get our news from cbc so on the day of
01:30:27.540
old, if I wanted to know, I could have called my mom
01:30:33.500
Today, you can kind of do it with the internet, even
01:30:45.400
At 8.05, we knew the results and our vote hadn't counted.
01:30:50.060
So my personal decision that night was it's broken.
01:30:58.500
And you heard my story because Jason and I did it and Paula, we did a tour in April
01:31:19.720
And when I showed up here, there was this thing called the Alberta Advantage, which was simply work hard and you'll get rewarded.
01:31:32.720
I mean, I like my life was good, you know, able to raise a family and afford a small house and whatnot.
01:31:39.700
and something changed dramatically in the in the mid uh you know in 2012 13 14 and and so for me
01:31:46.580
it was a game changer was my my time working for trans canada when we're trying to build
01:31:51.380
he's oh no that's not the building no that's our phone
01:31:59.220
there's a child missing yeah so everybody pay attention to that one if you're in the area
01:32:04.980
must be calgary as long as it's legit that's legit yeah i mean again again then again no
01:32:10.340
coincidences right there's no coincidence even with our door going back and forth were you at
01:32:14.660
the main event uh the big event at the at the um yes big four i saw you there and someone pulled
01:32:21.620
the fire alarm somebody pulled the fire alarm right and then uh that was cool because uh people
01:32:26.020
pulled a fire alarm and i think was it eva chip or somebody maybe mitch whoever was on stage didn't
01:32:30.900
skip a beat kept on talking right and nobody left right nobody left uh i remember helping andrew uh
01:32:37.940
what's andrew's webs um uh andrew bocage what's his uh handle on x um andrew's the guy andrew's
01:32:45.940
the guy who went put the alberta flag on uh adam's island yeah anyways uh good job for doing that
01:32:51.620
andrew by the way uh and the second time too because someone tore it down it's gone now again
01:32:55.780
it's gone like that's so well maybe they wanted it on their property actually we'll talk about
01:33:00.260
that in a second but yeah that night andrew uh we helped andrew because while the fire alarm was
01:33:04.900
going on he lost one of his kids he couldn't find a kid and that's a for any parent who has a young
01:33:10.420
child yeah that's a moment of panic right let's talk about that actually let's talk about um so
01:33:16.100
andrew goes to adam's island and he adam's island for people who don't know is when you're driving
01:33:21.620
from alberta to banff you go by uh lac des arts by by can just before canmore and you'll see that
01:33:28.580
cement plant and there's a big lake and on the lake there's a little island and a lot of times
01:33:33.320
on the little island there'd be different flags i've seen the canadian flags i've seen an acadian
01:33:37.420
flag and andrew went out there and put an alberta flag and then some group subsequent to that went
01:33:43.940
and tore down his flag and put an alber a canadian flag then andrew went back and andrew did the
01:33:50.120
right thing he's like because when he went the first time he didn't take down anybody else's
01:33:53.960
flag he just put up an alberta flag when he went the second time he left the alberta the canadian
01:34:00.220
flag and then he put up his own and now the alberta one is gone again and we're seeing that
01:34:05.780
somebody asked me this regarding the signs right now um are we starting to is it starting to feel
01:34:14.660
like a campaign my answer was yes because we are seeing but let's but we're seeing signs so the
01:34:21.120
so the important we're seeing our signs go up but we're seeing the other side go up
01:34:25.240
but you broke a story yesterday or you reported a story what happened in red deer so in red deer
01:34:31.320
at cool shit uh which is a fantastic place because they have a lot of that what do they do there
01:34:35.580
it's everything but there's a lot of place or computer store or are they uh well you can buy
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01:34:40.260
electronics there garden equipment or cleveralls it's basically a garage sale pawn shop plus retail
01:34:46.680
all in one okay it's really cool stuff you probably enjoy it okay to walk around like
01:34:50.280
alberta gear as well so he does have a lot of business he's a private business who's put his
01:34:55.980
neck out by selling alberta flags weird that that weird not weird sad that that becomes an issue
01:35:04.660
yep so what happened there was uh when we arrived because we were doing a pop-up for our sign
01:35:09.160
giveaway there he's a great guy rob i called him up said hey we'd like to use your parking lot can
01:35:13.900
way he's like absolutely because it's best to have permission from a private owner to do that
01:35:18.760
because even pop-ups are trouble like you saw with us in Edmonton with the police uh but anyways uh
01:35:24.680
as soon as we get there he's like they broke my windows this morning no and spray painted trader
01:35:28.720
on a sign uh at least it's felt it right just to be clear uh but yeah they did just and I asked
01:35:34.480
him you know how are you going to cover this insurance going to cover this is like 2,000
01:35:37.820
deductible it's best to just cover it himself so it's a financial loss for him but that's not even
01:35:50.680
We even had Mitch as far as the petition period
01:36:00.920
and then I actually had several incidents, right?
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01:36:11.920
oh i remember that one with the minivan i'll give my friend's name is sean right so sean
01:36:17.120
we had all been instructed you take out your phone once you take out your phone a lot of crazies
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01:36:21.760
calm down right so sean took out his phone she grabbed his phone and she threw it in the in the
01:36:27.380
ditch funny thing kudos to iphone i don't know what he had an iphone 14 or whatever it kept on
01:36:33.320
recording even underwater you could hear the muffled sound then he brought it up and she went
01:36:37.480
around and she knocked down all our flags yeah that's crazy and i'm like at least you blocked
01:36:42.460
her license plate at the end yeah you're so upset that you're you're offended by the flag of this
01:36:48.820
province yeah and i'm not i mean yes i've given up on canada but i'm not offended by the flag of
01:36:54.760
cannot at all it's your not at all and if we ever become our own country it's still your flag i'm
01:36:59.460
not going to be offended but uh yeah it's crazy that flags are are used that way the justification
01:37:04.840
that they have for vandalism and theft is it's not acceptable that we see people are literally
01:37:10.280
taking having lawn signs taken off their lawn again they're having their businesses vandalized
01:37:16.100
yeah just because you believe that you are correct doesn't mean it's so and it's quite there's a lot
01:37:22.820
of illegal activity and what were the did the police advise well you know it works both ways
01:37:27.920
however we are not actually going out and stealing Canadian flags Canadian lawn signs or anything like
01:37:33.080
that and and and sorry to cut you off but i was disappointed during the signature collection
01:37:38.560
period that uh that none of the political parties were coming out against that like
01:37:44.520
like i wanted danielle to say listen this is like condemn it condemn it right menchi you should
01:37:50.200
condemn it you should all condemn it this is this is in fact and you mentioned traitor i got called
01:37:55.840
a traitor so many times and i i'm like there's no pure first of all it's not it's not treasonous
01:38:01.580
no it's in our laws i'm allowed to do this a province is allowed to separate and i'm simply
01:38:07.060
exercising a democratic right like i'm sitting on the side of the road collecting signatures
01:38:11.840
and i want to come back to that but you sorry i interrupted you you had something you wanted to
01:38:15.760
say well i just want to kind of build on what paula was saying there about one every 20 people
01:38:20.100
that come to grab a lawn sign choose not to take a lawn sign because they're worried about the cars
01:38:24.060
being keyed right and someone attacking them and just putting themselves out there right but they
01:38:28.220
just stop by to say hey i just want you to know support what you're doing keep it up thank you
01:38:32.400
very much would you like free lawn sign no i'm more worried about my neighbor or someone attacking
01:38:37.440
my car and stuff and that's sad because it's true but it does work right i mean um i put up a lawn
01:38:44.600
sign yes i had i put up a lawn sign because some of us are people say you're brave to do it but we
01:38:50.360
some of us need to be brave to encourage others to do it right um it was fascinating when i was on
01:38:56.980
the side of the road i know i know that there were people that were driving and trying like don't
01:39:01.480
look yeah we'll see those two times right there's there's something going on but don't look but i
01:39:06.440
know that i reach people regardless because um you know marty's on the side of the road and some
01:39:13.580
people came by and said what are you doing it's like oh that's all i needed perfect if after 20
01:39:17.760
days you finally stopped and asked what i'm doing that's awesome well you're a data guy so let me
01:39:23.220
give you some data over the last few days because we've been going around sitting on the side of
01:39:26.460
highways doing this again um for every sign that gets picked up a little bit for every sign that
01:39:32.700
gets picked up we get about five honks pro honks right supportive for every honk we get about 10
01:39:39.140
thumbs up and silence explain what you're doing it'd be very pragmatic so you're you're you're
01:39:43.780
setting up i'm i'm breaking up into three different groups of support no no i mean what are you doing
01:39:49.000
on what are you oh we just have we're driving somewhere and you have piles of signs and you're
01:39:53.060
handing out signs. Exactly. Yeah. So kind of like the petition period where you're collecting
01:39:56.700
signatures, now we're handing out the signs. Right. And a lot of people will yell, I've signed
01:40:00.720
already. We're like, well, come get your sign. But what I'm getting at is there's three groups
01:40:04.740
of support out there. The silent ones that won't honk, but they're supportive. Yeah. They let you
01:40:08.740
know. They're the ones that are willing to honk. And then the ones that are willing to pull over
01:40:11.620
and put up a sign. So there's a lot more support out there than people think. One third, one third,
01:40:16.480
one third. It's a rule, right? I mean, one third of the people are totally decided on
01:40:21.820
independence one third are against it and there's that middle ground we're not seeing that third
01:40:25.420
anymore though we uh for the rocky mountain we had two people one thumbs down and one guy that's
01:40:31.520
kind of rode on his bike says make sure you include everybody i'm like well we are we are
01:40:35.240
but you know last week at i you and i had a chat right i told you i was driving up to grand cash
01:40:39.740
and i was following the cowboy trail and i had every intention of documenting all the alberta
01:40:44.860
flags because i've driven the cowboy trail folks is like highway 22 right that sort of parallels
01:40:49.160
the uh the the rockies and it goes from uh i think it goes all the way at the alberta u.s border
01:40:55.940
and it goes all the way up north to grand cash basically so i was following that heading up to
01:41:00.020
grand cash and i told jason i've i've been driving it many times and over time i've noticed the
01:41:04.340
number of flags that's alberta independence land yeah actually along there up in bonnieville there's
01:41:09.600
a few big pockets that are really um and uh and i was ready to document it but then all the alberta
01:41:28.260
That's democracy. And I don't get mad I've seen a Canadian flag at all.
01:41:38.720
go through Drayton. A lot of times when I'm heading
01:41:46.440
they had your signs all over the place you know the guy who did that you know who did that okay
01:41:51.000
so shout out to tomahawk yeah our buddy cliff yeah shout out to cliff directly yeah and then
01:41:57.400
he came in saw us right away he took a bunch and then he came back the same day said i'm already
01:42:02.040
out but keep going we gave him a couple oh is he also a distributor kind of thing he knows
01:42:06.920
everybody cliff is the unofficial mayor of tomahawk and area okay yeah he's definitely
01:42:11.640
getting it out there got permission from the landowners that we could put the signs up so
01:42:17.380
And I don't know why that Tempo gas station in Tomahawk is always cheaper,
01:42:23.280
So not taking a pause, but just a reminder, this is an Alberta elathon.
01:42:30.880
We're trying to get you guys to, we're trying to raise money is what we're doing.
01:42:42.280
and uh and so click on any pick any one of them i mean ideally you can throw a few bucks to all of
01:42:49.760
them because they're all doing something slightly different you remember 250 on each one of them
01:42:54.320
you're not on the website yeah you're focused right now on providing signs for people and events
01:42:59.340
you'll shift in gears at some point you're still doing events right yes we have many events lined
01:43:03.820
up uh coming up what are your events like there well the next one is going to be a tour with the
01:43:08.320
Holmes family okay so the sisters and the father and Maxime Bernier yeah to give the lessons from
01:43:13.460
Quebec okay to let Albertans know why this is so important uh it's not a political thing it's a
01:43:20.020
referendum why it's so important thing yeah we're doing a one-day family event on April 5th or
01:43:25.260
August 15th with Lindsay Butler for music it's a thank you and appreciation to canvassers and
01:43:30.820
Lindsay who's the president of the no Lindsay but you're thinking of maybe uh Sherry her mom
01:43:36.480
okay yeah but lindsey is a country music folk singer okay fantastic but this is an appreciation
01:43:41.280
to all the volunteers campaigners and canvassers so please bring your family to that one uh we're
01:43:46.960
doing uh bruce party he's going to come out again and talk more about his stuff dennis kalma uh uh
01:43:52.960
and as an example like when you bring out somebody i'm sure you know i don't want to put you on the
01:43:58.480
spot but i'm sure most people volunteer their time bruce probably doesn't charge you a speaker's fee
01:44:04.800
per se but i'm sure you try and extend something i mean it's not cheap for bruce to fly and and
01:44:11.440
this i mean you did it to me right i'm i'll speak personally yeah i didn't charge the speaking fee
01:44:16.000
to go speak nor do we pay anybody but if you can throw a few bucks because i got to pay for gas
01:44:21.120
that's that's a that's one of the things that the tpas are for the accommodations and hospitality
01:44:25.840
in the venue all of that stuff is covered by the donations yeah and when someone like bruce comes
01:44:30.800
into alberta from ontario he gives a different perspective yeah and he's like well here's why
01:44:35.120
alberta should do it you're going to save canada now on that topic i mean some people volunteer
01:44:39.200
an incredible amount of time incredible like it let's do the math at 25 an hour 200 hours 50 grand
01:44:46.320
you donate it in your time no it's not that much do it it was enough to qualify for ei in most
01:44:54.480
probably 25 an hour would be 50 grand and that was you and karen yeah yeah no no they yeah that's a
01:45:02.560
generous amount of time and i'm and i'm retired but some people are doing this while they're still
01:45:07.360
like mitch sylvester who was here in the first hour i mean his chair i think the man is right
01:45:13.680
like i i like i i couldn't keep up with him i mean he was how many miles does he put on 120 000
01:45:19.440
kilometers in his new truck in just over a year or something like that so i got that update in the
01:45:53.720
yeah yeah now actually sort of uh on that topic of of people stepping up what's your thoughts on
01:46:02.440
there's two schools of thought there's a lot of people that are asking for leaders and and i'm
01:46:07.980
not one of them i'm still of the opinion that this is better as a grassroots movement without
01:46:12.720
a leader but what's your thoughts on that i agree with that marty 100 each time that there was an
01:46:17.240
attempt to have like some sort of election pick a leader let's get behind one my first instinct was
01:46:22.300
no because you're leaving one target and as we saw they do go after with lawfare with hit pieces
01:46:29.260
yeah and if let's just say hypothetically if mitch sylvester was the leader they would attack
01:46:34.420
him even harder or if jeff wrath was the leader isn't it interesting i mean i saw that last week
01:46:39.080
right i saw the like jeff wrath it made the news because uh one of the judges froze his assets or
01:46:45.880
something like it's a civil case right it's uh he he actually represents a party that won he won
01:47:12.080
And it gets blown out. And when I first saw that,
01:47:14.520
that's all I thought. It's like, well, it's Jeff's turn.
01:47:20.400
i took a turn i mean i had i had associated my name with the centurion project and they came
01:47:25.040
after both of us for that yeah and i was like oh you know and and and that was just a taste of what
01:47:29.600
mitch and the rest go through yeah just a taste and and i don't wish it on anyone i mean it's
01:47:34.560
intimidating like i'll i'll repeat what happened that day i mean i'm i'm on stage we're on stage
01:47:39.760
and all of a sudden we hear that there's police cars and there's eight police cruisers outside
01:47:44.400
coming to quote serve a cease and desist papers to uh to david parker which had nothing to do with
01:47:51.620
the event itself but what he was doing yeah and and and then it was served by elections alberta
01:47:56.900
and so you're telling me that somebody at elections alberta called the police chief
01:48:00.900
in calgary and said hey i gotta go serve papers i need eight cruisers and the police chief said oh
01:48:05.240
sure they don't do that for anyone well you remember when the q a happened and someone asked
01:48:10.120
from the audience why are the police here and my answer was i don't know but i know what the
01:48:14.280
headlines are tomorrow yeah yeah i guarantee you what they're gonna run with this tomorrow and he
01:48:17.760
did yeah yeah no it's no different than when they the rcmp sent two officers to medicine hat to go
01:48:23.440
bring uh tamara lich on the warrant that's right yeah she would have walked in voluntarily anyways
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01:48:28.040
right on canada day too right she spent the weekend there are definitely some double standards and
01:48:32.560
there are definitely attempts and efforts to make some groups uh feel a lot more pressure so you're
01:48:42.060
We're on the same page. And just keep an eye on September.
01:48:47.580
September, that's when they're going to hit a card. Nothing's a coincidence.
01:48:53.620
you know this. I mean, stories that break on Friday
01:48:55.620
are different than stories that break on Mondays.
01:49:03.640
for all I know. I mean, they love picking on Jeff.
01:49:13.900
they could be. I think they're certainly going to be targeting
01:49:33.900
even internally, we're kind of... We're totally clean.
01:49:36.020
i mean i know these people like you know even they go after chris scott even internally like
01:49:42.880
if anybody has anything that's remotely possibly a headline fix it clean it or harm's length okay
01:49:49.700
but everybody else that's up front right now i don't even have speeding tickets yep yeah uh
01:49:55.380
actually interesting time sort of a neat segue uh they go after they went after paul's pizza for a
01:50:01.240
wow you did and so perfect segue there's a party tonight at paul's pizza right so uh after this uh
01:50:07.460
the last segment of the telethon will be broadcast from paul's pizza in airdrie and we were worried
01:50:14.300
that uh we were going to host a little party there on a saturday but paul said oh no apparently
01:50:19.840
saturdays are dead in airdrie in the middle of summer because everybody's out rodeoing
01:50:33.900
I mean, he's not a TPA, but why is he taking the heat?
01:50:38.980
I think he stood up against the issue with immigration
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And just saying, I don't think mass migration
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right that doesn't matter it's not paul's pizza it's farooq but he's an immigrant yeah this is
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critical of the immigration system but that's what i saw them going after this is some of his
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common sense comments around that subject just mentioning it they call you a racist and
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supremacist and and and that's another thing right we we talked about the cost of events
01:51:14.820
the cost is is one part but the other thing how many events have you been cancelled out of because
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the place where you're trying to hold the event said no thanks yeah there's three levels of those
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there's those that won't book you at all now the city of edmonton sent us an email saying don't
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bother we're not going to have any of your events anywhere in the city it's city facilities we have
01:51:34.100
those that um book us but then cancel us and then we have those that cancel like the day of which
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is really nice which is tough yeah which is tough um but it does happen okay it does happen and paul
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is fantastic of going on a phone and finding an alternate venue and we move it quickly yeah it
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does hit the attendance for sure yeah because people show up to the other one they didn't get
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the message but it happens everywhere people were doing that to paul's right they're calling his
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paul's ordering ordering like 15 pizzas he got wise to that pretty quick i think every pizza
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shops are wise so that yeah um and by the way they what they don't understand is this drives an effect
01:52:08.820
when they do that we actually hear about paul's pizza and we support it more it's just like the
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the Tabor billboards. The town of Tabor saying no
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I think that guy's going to paint the sign on his
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You push us too hard and that's what we do, right?
01:52:43.320
shift but i i was upset when uh when when i first heard that um the petition weren't wasn't going to
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be counted right yeah and before that came out i was worried about the ruling and i said if the
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judge says this is invalid and i have to stop collecting signatures that's when i would have
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said well then i'll be in contempt of law because i will go sit on the side of the road and i will
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continue to collect signatures so there's a time where it's okay to push back and disobey and i
01:53:13.240
think if yeah if a bylaw officer comes and says you can't have a sign on your property i'll just
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put a bigger one well jeff bezos you'll have to drag me out he has way over the limit for his
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hedges he just pays the fine yeah he just pays the fine yeah doesn't matter yeah that's true
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that's a actually uh it has nothing to do with this but i saw that uh i was standing in line at
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the customs you know coming back with my two bottles of booze and the guy in front of me had
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like whatever like 10 right and that's what he says like i just paid the duty yeah like ah of
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course of course it's still cheaper yeah it's a rich man's game sometimes uh how are we doing
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for time do i have to start wrapping it up okay i got a producer i don't know how i wrap this up
01:53:53.920
thank you both for coming down uh well martin it's a pleasure to work with you again where can
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people find you i mean we know what's the net come come by events actually i'll just say this
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right they're ordinary people we talked about this right so if you see jason and paula you see them
01:54:08.640
on the street if you see me on the street say hi like don't don't be shy and come chat we love
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chatting um where are you going next what's your plan so you're you're we're gonna take an actual
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week off now so we'll announce that now so we plan to take last week off but we didn't we took
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it off from the show but we're on the road every single day yeah we're actually gonna stay home
01:54:27.840
get off the road for a week and then get back to it because we have that august event uh seven
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seven days five stops with maxine and the home sisters i think it's okay to take a small break
01:54:37.360
uh the referendums on the 19th we need to be kind of like olympic we're olympic athletes we have to
01:54:43.680
peak like right about there we don't want to peak too early all right folks uh boy this hour went
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by fast thanks for coming by as part of the series of different interviews i'm doing with third party
01:54:56.260
advertisers i'd like to welcome my friend jason levine who is a third party advertiser jason's
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good to have you down here in my basement welcome to my home john i love it here your community is
01:55:06.620
great. Your home is wonderful, especially that garden in the front with all the signs.
01:55:10.080
Well, yeah, I've got signs everywhere. And we'll talk about your signs in just a moment.
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You've actually been in for quite some time. You were a third-party advertiser during the
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petition campaign, and you're in during this part of it as well. Why'd you get involved?
01:55:25.140
Well, we were third-party advertisers before it was cool, right? We got involved because we
01:55:29.780
wanted to make sure that we were not going to become a headline at some point by trying to do
01:55:33.240
events. We wanted to make sure we understood the rules for elections, Alberta, especially when
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you're getting out there, having conversations, where are the lines, then how to work with them
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and make sure you don't cross any of them. You know, there are some very difficult rules to
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follow, but it does give you some guidelines so you can, you can stay in your lane, correct?
01:55:50.440
It's nice when everybody plays by the same rules because the better team wins at the end,
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but it's important to ensure that you understand them, even if you're part of the public,
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because sometimes they can get themselves into trouble just by trying to help out.
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if they don't understand the rules, like the $1,000 limit for individuals.
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And we wanted to make sure that we could go beyond the $1,000
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in order to get larger events, billboards, and signs.
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We can talk a little bit about that as we're recording this right now.
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It's a couple of weeks before the telethon, which is on right now.
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You're kind of cruising around the province, Edmonton, Red Deer, Calgary this evening,
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as this is happening and we're recording today with Bruce Pardee, Dennis Kalma, Matthew Rowley,
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One of the things you're doing, you're going to do more of these events as we move closer to the 19th of October?
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100%. We were testing on a new format, a public input format, where we're asking the audience to provide their questions, comments, concerns, even some of their ideas on what a constitution could look like.
01:56:43.880
Because there's many different models out there and people talking about different models.
01:56:47.020
And we don't have an open mic, which is kind of a unique thing where we have everybody writing down on a card.
01:56:52.300
So I'm sitting at the table with all the cards while the gentlemen are answering the questions and I'm getting ready for the next one.
01:56:58.320
We get as many questions as we can, and people have been loving it.
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What's the importance of the Constitution as we move forward and that people know about that prior to the 19th of October and the referendum?
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Even Jason Kenney said we've got a lot of problems with Ottawa.
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But at this stage, what is going to be the solution to that?
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And that's why having a Constitution question at this stage with the public is very important.
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So it allows them to get into the conversation and have a piece of that as well and kind of own it, a little bit of stakeholder, because this is a constitution for the people by the people.
01:57:36.520
A lot of the different TPAs, third-party advertisers, are trying to be visual.
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I've got one of your signs along with many others in front of my house right now.
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Because people sometimes are not online watching their stuff and they're watching other things like CBC.
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And when you're getting on to the public and seeing your community with the support of something, it'll get your attention.
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And the billboards around the legislature, I think, is also a good idea because that's where the lawmakers are.
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And they'd be driving down these roads all the time and they're going to be seeing, oh, yeah, that vote on October 19th.
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There's a lot more people that are getting involved with that and getting behind that too.
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I think we forget that I wake up in the morning.
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Others wake up in the morning thinking about politics.
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But we think about it all the time, and most people don't.
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It is, too, because it kind of reminds them something big is going on.
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Maybe they're not paying attention to any news.
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Maybe they're just in their own bubbles, in their own communities, their own worlds.
01:58:37.360
And just even seeing a glimpse of that, like, wait, what is that?
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Let's go to livingshow.com and see what that's about.
01:58:41.640
You can check out interviews that we're having, find your show as well.
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And things like this telethon is super important because it's going to really put the focus on a whole bunch of people who are working hard right now.
01:58:55.460
A great segue into me talking about the telethon.
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If you'd like to support Jason and what he's doing,
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just go to albertatelethon.com and make a donation.
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Normally, we start a segment when we're in our little basement studio with,
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But since we have Daryl Comic today, we're going to say,
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so we're excited to be here today but the first thing i want to do is remind people
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our family is all about dialogue and that also means asking questions and hard questions and so
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there's an email that everybody can go to to write the spicy questions to chris scott
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for his interview later so go to the email let's go alberta one the number one at gmail.com
01:59:47.920
and send all of your hard questions there whether it's regarding you know finances or
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the potential constitution for an alberta because i find a lot of people are struggling to think
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about that um they there's this misconception that it's a hard thing to do to separate and
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fair enough if you've never done it like canada hasn't but people even within the last 50 years
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there have been minimum 50 countries that have separated it is not a new phenomenon especially
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here in the west i'm you can even go back to rome history they also separated before
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the usually people associate the fall of rome as like their comparison to today's america or
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even today's canada but rome also had separating states as a sign that the system needs refurbishing
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and so people need to start thinking about those things to send all your questions to said email
02:00:45.060
now for context about what we wanted to talk about here with cory and daryl dad yeah so first off
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this is an honor for us to be a part of this uh so we got to put our thanks so yeah i mean we're
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used to be in our studio we're a small channel and growing because as circumstances presented
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themselves most people that have watched our channel know that our wake-up call was in 2020
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and then getting involved ended up being the accountability process that we had to find our
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way through and so here we are you know just trying to help with the culture war because we
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believe wholeheartedly you know there's no nothing on record that attributes that this was a Mark
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Twain saying but it's easier to fool someone than to convince someone they've been fooled
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and one of the ways to dispel magic tricks that get played on the minds of individuals
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is by knowledge is by there's a biblical verse Hosea 4 6 I like quoting it says for lack of
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knowledge, my people were destroyed. Because they rejected knowledge, I reject them as priests before
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my house. The meaning of all of these types of quotes and sayings is that that's on us. That's
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on us as individuals. So for us to be asked to participate in this is an honor because that's
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wholeheartedly where the motivation is for our family at this stage of, I guess you want to call
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it the collective battle, is to bring awareness because our citizens and our fellow Albertans,
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they mean a lot to us we all went through things and we have this long context from 2020 to this
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point and that is going to be one of the themes of of where we would like our segment to be
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is how we got here because there's this tension that's arising out there with you know you got
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your forever canada camp and your independence camp and yet the funny thing is is that not even
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five years ago we were just all albertans facing uh unknown circumstances and different um protocols
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that were offered by our government and it would seem that this is a thread there's a theme here
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and there are those almost acting more conservatively um saying well we don't want
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any type of separation we would like to stay within you know united canada and and it's like
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all right well fair enough i understand that's awfully conservative of you but there are those
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though that find themselves going we played that game and this is one of the beauties about having
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cory morgan with us i've also done like dr michael wagner's works and books is that there actually
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is a long history of Alberta being in this circumstance since 1905 it precedes 1905 in all
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actuality we're not going to go down a history lane but I like bringing in the context of the
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larger picture and that we're all a part of it at one point in time before the Americans became
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Americans they were British subjects well that's funny we're British subjects and so we actually
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have a lot in common it's our humanity first and our neighbors and so we want to promote the TPAs
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uh the third party advertisers of which cory is also one of them there are six that are going to
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be uh getting promoted i know all the previous guests i mean uh segments have done this thing
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we're going to make mention of them too as we go i do not have the cheat sheet i'm not excellent
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with names that i'm trying to say it goes to my daughters but anyway so that's the context
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and we're thankful to be here and let's start with the uh questions and conversation because
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how did we get here, Corey? Why are we here? And I don't mean us as in just the five of us sitting
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in a studio. Well, that'll fill the hour if we really want. That's a big question. Okay, currently
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then with the TPA aspect that this is, because you've got a long history. I do. I guess what
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I'll point out is a whole new generation of Albertans have realized and come to the conclusion
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that change within the system is futile. The independence movement was always comprised of
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people who had come to that conclusion uh aging myself yeah i was 29 when i started the alberta
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independence party back in 2000 and that was my conclusion at that time but people still i'd call
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them reluctant independent supporters they always wanted to cling to one more lifeline one more bit
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of hope one more way to think that they maybe could fix this and the one that really devastated
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us as an organization as we were gaining a bunch of steam and getting a lot of attention at that
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time with the Chrétien government and things happening was Stephen Harper came out with the
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Alberta Agenda. And Bozenkuhl, who now is one of the most hardcore federalists apparently against
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us and things like that, saying we don't need to go that route. We can fix everything. We can get
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a pension plan. We can get a police force. We can collect our own taxes. We can do our own EI.
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26 years later, and he had a majority government. Nothing, not a single one of the things in the
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Alberta agenda has been accomplished. And we currently have a provincial government that's
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reticent in bringing those in as well. I mean, they talk and talk and talk and talk and nothing
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changes. And I've been very supportive of our provincial government in a lot of ways. They've
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done a lot of good things. It's been one of the better governments we've had in a long time. But
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when it comes to Ottawa, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. You're never going to talk a pipeline into
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the ground. You're never going to talk my pension better. You're never going to talk my personal
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rights back into being after we've had our bank accounts seized we've been locked down
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so a lot has changed i believe covid contributed to this as well that was a big wake-up call for
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a lot of people who thought the government's benign the government would never do such
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things to us our freedoms are protected they're safe realized no actually we're just one more
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sneeze away from being locked down again because nothing has changed and it's come to a head with
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people that final hope they were hanging on to okay canada prefers liberals they'll give us
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liberals for eight ten years at a time but they'll give us a breather with four years of a conservative
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government now and then so we could you know have somebody who's less bad to us for a little while
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in office and when it came that close but all they had to do was slap a new coat of paint on
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another liberal throw them in the front and not only were they put back in but with a stronger
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mandate than they had before that's when i think a tipping point of albertans realized that's enough
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it's enough the system doesn't work or it's working exactly as it was designed well it wasn't
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though i i hear that all the time and i don't believe it i i believe it's out of date i believe
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it was built by a centralized government you know again a hundred and some years ago who were looking
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from the perspective that this is four percent of the population thus you build a system to treat
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it as if it's four percent they didn't build in or think about the growth that would come later i
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mean the abuse of the system by those who control it yeah it's working exactly how they would like
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i just don't feel it was ever designed necessarily i do believe the founders thought they were
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building something good but it's it's the problem with a system a system a hundred and some years
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ago how many things from a hundred and some years ago were useful today we have to change this thing
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we have to adapt it Meech Lake and Charlottetown were the last two big you know these were prior
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to you guys time but these were the last two big pushes to try and change it and they didn't even
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come close and I was younger than they are now in that so it's realizing you've got two choices
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accept this status quo and realize that we're just going to have our rights degraded uh we're going
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to be a second class province within a larger federation or pursue independence which is really
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the only one and only way we can see now to shatter and break out of this looking at the
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amount of conversation looking at this growing support looking at this organization more people
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have come to that conclusion than ever have before so it's been an incredible year i mean a classic
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example is the telethon in and of itself the fact that it's manifesting as it is now with as many
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hosts that it's appearing with the viewers that are watching and everybody that's in on it all
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the tpas having we have seven on the list here but there's even albertans for freedom they're
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coming out and those are good people there's so many more that aren't on the list list which is
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you know just the testament to the culture that alberta's trying to continue for um fostering
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which is all what we're about well then we did a an interview recently because we were having a
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debate with people that are sharing the similar sentiments that you're talking about which is the
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feeling like if we just hold on a little bit right then we could get somewhere and it was with
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a lovely lady on our ca board named judy and then it was with one of the tpas uh angela taback from
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uh the alberto independence network yeah thank you alberto network i'm like that's the longest tpa
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but when she was talking uh judy she was mentioning that it's like well i mean in the past
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it was relatively like good enough to ignore as in getting involved in government was just
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something that not a lot of people were paying attention to because they thought that life was
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okay right but it was more of well yeah you're surviving but you're not necessarily thriving
02:09:14.200
and then she made the comment that you know what like are we really going to try and separate on
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the auspices of just bad 11 years of liberal government since pierre trudeau i think was her
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timeline it's only yeah and i instantly was thinking of you and all of your historical
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contacts going like oh honey it's far more longer than just 11 years of liberal government no it's
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much deeper and it's cyclical i mean i think something that drove home to a lot of people
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those of us old enough to remember the first trudeau like we had to go through another one
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like this what does this country ever learn is it is it going to change and no it doesn't yeah
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the bruising battered wife syndrome yeah i guess we keep going back but it looks different this
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time i'm just gonna do a quick announcement this was passed on to me uh keith wilson just announced
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they've raised twenty five thousand dollars today so far awesome so uh let let alberta decide is
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the name of their their tpa and yeah i checked about two hours ago with ours we'd raised 5200
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already a couple hours ago uh this this telethon and people are really responding all over i mean
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i'm he's obviously gonna blow me out of the water we're all winning well and if i'm not mistaken
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each tpa has a max that they can receive is that correct 607 000 yes and so we still got lots of
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room so exactly i know that keith is very popular and so is tanya i mean what an attractive woman
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who wouldn't want to give her money but i digress i mean definitely try and spread the love once you
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can that way people can divide and conquer the more signs if you know the more houses that look
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like john bolton's with you know seven signs the better something i also just wanted to add to play
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play to the context because there's so many people that are still on the fence.
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And that was alluding to the fact that even if we went through past
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grievances before, like maybe with the COVID-19 situation, it doesn't mean
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that they're necessarily feeling like Alberta independence is the way to
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Like trying to figure out how to fix the system using kind of the battlefield
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But when we were having that discussion on our podcast with Angela and Judy, it
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was one of the things mentioned was, okay, well, why can't we, you know,
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plea to the other provinces because all of the bills that are coming forward,
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every single province is going to be facing these censorship laws and it's not
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And I'm like, for sure, like there are laws that are going to make every single
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person in Canada, a victim to a terrible, terrible system, um, tyranny essentially.
02:11:40.720
But I coming at it from a young perspective, since Maddie and I are kind
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of, uh, the, of the younger demographic in this movement.
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I was like timeline though, is the, the rate at which these bills are coming
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forward and where we've seen, like see historically where Mark Carney and now
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And just all of the different, uh, third groups that he's intertwined with
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And people not looking either reading his material, like his book values or
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looking at the different historical uh policies that have come out of these groups i think is
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just a huge ignorant bubble that they are not willing to explore unfortunately but i was like
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trying to convince like 50 of all provinces to try and change and open the constitution in any
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way i'm like i i don't know about you but i i'm gonna be having to bear most of the brunt of
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what's coming down because i live longer so i was like i think time wise i'm like can we speak
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you would need to convince 70 of the provinces with 50 of the population right yeah and it's
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not going to happen there's just no way quebec isn't going to agree and you're already getting
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close into the population numbers uh you know with senate reform when 80 of our senate is on
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the other side of of anitoba there's no way those provinces are going to agree to that change the
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problem is the status quo serves them and they don't have an incentive to change it constitutionally
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we might get some legislative wins things you're talking about these authoritarian type actions
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bills coming out of uh the the the prime minister right now but that doesn't change the system and
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i mean we aren't protected till the system chief so yeah we should talk to the other provinces i
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mean there's no sense suffering you know and we still want to be as pragmatic as possible and
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and get as good a policy as we can in the meantime but we have to realize that this is just going to
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be an unending cycle of battling against these authoritarians until we bring in a system that
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protects us. Ayn Rand's right like you know tell me the incentive I'll tell you the outcome. Yeah
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so right yeah that's actually one question that on the interview that we did with the independence
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debate with the two ladies um I was asking about the question all those signs across Calgary those
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ones conveniently don't get vandalized the ones that say uh stay in Canada no to the nine we were
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talking about the referendum and judy said you know those other points it's she's not as radical
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as the some of the forever canadian group that like to claim say no to all of them because
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apparently all of the other questions imply independence that you leave which is ridiculous
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but one of my questions is because she said let's just focus on the other referendum question
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rather than you know the potentially separating one which isn't even a separation question but
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people are still looking at it with the trepidation of its implications and so a question that i have
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for you is with talking about reform and the system because you know we're a very solution
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oriented family and you're a very solution oriented guy that's why you've tried so many
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things in the past and you're like okay i'm narrowing it down but the referendum questions
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some of the stuff that you alluded to with the firewall letters being you know senate reform and
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then the police force the taxes alberta pension the alberta pension plan the thing is that i'm
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struggling with is that even though judy likes some of the other questions i think seven out of
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the nine of them are just on immigration and so how why is that a mediocre solution just to assume
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that those nine other questions will get alberta somewhere the bottom line is most of the things
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when they're talking about those questions require constitutional reform so yeah and you're not going
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to get it how many times have we you know as a country got to realize that and look at it so it's
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giving that false hope it's similar to the alberta agenda that was put out it's giving those people
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that out again say well we could just do this and this and this for example in a federation
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uh it's understood like quebec has a bigger say in who can immigrate and who can't when they're
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determining people coming into quebec but it still can't stop people once they've landed in
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Alberta or Ontario, once you're in the federation, a migrant can go to any province they please and
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set up shop. There's nothing a province can do. It wouldn't be a proper federation if you could
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set up borders like that. Right. It's just why I want to see a federation. If we want to control
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immigration, there's only one way. We need to be our own nation. Other than that, immigration will
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be a federally managed aspect because it must be in a federation. And we see that they use
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that again not for our benefit or our good i mean immigration has been very good to us in a lot of
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ways alberta was built on immigration all the statements about it and they're true and there's
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people who come from all corners of the planet bring fantastic skills and innovation and business
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whether it's from india or england or sweden or south africa but mass immigration is the problem
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uncontrolled immigration and nothing in those questions in that first part of the referendum
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we're going to change that we can just keep putting it's similar to the equalization question
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very nice we can all vote one but guess what the only way to change it gotta change it
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some of the stopgap things i do like that are put out from the provincial government talking about
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reducing some of the services uh you know that are available to people if they haven't gotten
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full citizenship or or permanent residency and things like that that helps address some of the
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temporary foreign worker abuse we've had or student visa abuse but it's still these are band-aids you
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know with the mass migration is the problem and i love to see solutions but i'm not seeing solutions
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seeing tweaks on a bigger problem the only reason we're seeing the federal government scaling back
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on the mass immigration right now is just because they finally hit the tipping point they couldn't
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you know they couldn't deny the damage that was being caused as we had a housing crisis
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health care systems being overloaded uh cultural issues with some crime waves i mean come on let's
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face it let's look at every big shooting big event big things that are happening all over
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the extortion gangs the uh grooming gangs there are always people from somewhere else with a
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different cultural norm that's coming in and you can only absorb so much before it becomes more
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problematic gotta tap the brakes seriously on and again it's always going to be in the hands of
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ottawa as long as we're here people wondering why the immigration was cranked for getting a bit geeky
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and so on but it was just an economic thing really you know people read more into it than
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was there but trudeau likes to brag in his administration that we never really went into
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recession that much while they were in but how did you avoid that well if you crank in mass
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immigration your gdp actually stays pretty good it adds to the gdp but the gdp per capita is is
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that's a false gdp number anyway gdp is actually supposed to be what a country produces like
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physical production and that's a separate yeah not being doctor on the books by a bunch of
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handouts and inflating numbers that's a convoluting of gdp but as a general measure anyways the gdp
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per capita aspect was when trudeau came in it was 51 000 and it was 55 000 in the united states and
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these are in american dollars that doesn't mean every person getting that much that's just that
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measure and an imperfect measure, as you said, but it is a bit of a baseline. Now, we're sitting
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at 55,000 per capita in Canada, 90,000 in the United States. This is our closest cultural and
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trade and linguistic partner, like similar resources. Our GDP per capita should have been
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rising just the same way theirs was over these years. And it's not, we're all getting collectively
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poorer. People aren't recognizing. The tool to do that, though, was mass immigration to try and
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pad those numbers to make it look better than it was and now we're really paying a price for it
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but there's nothing to stop the next government same that's what i just keep getting at until
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you change the system what if we just get a conservative then well then you might get
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somebody who's less bad for less bad exactly yeah i've always felt that that strategy was
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kind of like that uh there was an experiment that was done on rats where they put them in a vat and
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they got to swim for 15 minutes and then they would drown but before the drowning time on the
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second batch of rats you pulled a rat out saved it dried it off gave it a little bit of food
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then put it back in and that same rat gave you 600 more time worth of swimming because it had
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hope of being rescued yeah and it's a you know a good analogy that's conservative experiment and
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i mean again there's a lot of great members of parliament and people within the party who work
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hard and mean well but the reality and that's just math and that's what i put in my book that
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sovereignty's handbook in just explaining to people if they want to win they must cater to
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ontario quebec it's it's not personal it's math you're never going to win and those provinces
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have different interests than ours in fact they're usually in conflict with ours which means the
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conservative party will be in conflict with us the most hardcore independent supporters aren't
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creative when liberals screw us we expect them to when conservatives do it and that's when people
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realize we aren't winning. When Brian Mulroney gave the CF-18 contract to Quebec, when Manitoba
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had a far superior standing, but why? Because we needed votes in Quebec. Don't worry, they'll
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throw you under the bus in a heartbeat. When Mulroney dragged his butt in getting rid of the
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national energy program until oil prices collapsed and suddenly the country was now expected to buy
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our oil at a higher price to help us out, you know what, we don't need the program anymore,
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and he screwed the west these things keep happening um you have to understand that
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you know polyev i think he'll do fewer bad things if he ever gets in
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than uh trudeau or carney did will he change anything absolutely not a chance yeah i think
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that's i know john bolton said keep this positive and so i'm gonna try and keep this positive i can
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redirect it go ahead take your avenue people think this is a negative thing the thing that
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maybe people should understand about my family's mode of attention we don't bring up the system
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or the history in order to say oh look at how bad things are it's more so when you're looking
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at solutions because cory just you alluded to well-intentioned people and i think that's even
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a lot of the judy judy is oh she's a fantabulous woman she's really well-intentioned and so but
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solutions like even just talking about i can see you have the value of freedom document from the
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app on here and our family went over that whole document did a series to help people start thinking
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because that's the scary thing for a lot of people right now is the solutions you have all these good
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intentions and people that want canada to the to exceed succeed and they see that there's not
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actually that big of a divide like macy alluded to the bills that are coming out and all the bad
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policies that are happening to us here in alberta it's happening across all of canada and so
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and from my perspective those other provinces they suffer a lot as well because they are capping
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themselves from prosperity by trying to reach those equalization payments i mean people don't
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even know in quebec they are capping some of their energy prices just so they can continue but they
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would easily be able to cover their own they don't need to cap and that's sort of the positive like
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the positive end and people are painting it as a negative and we got to remember to keep
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pointing out that that's a positive the independence is the positive yes it is getting
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off of the hamster wheel it's moving on and it's not motivated by wanting to hurt the rest of the
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country my issue again isn't the rest of the country it's the system the people of canada
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are fantastic the history of canada has been very very good to me i got to grow up in a relatively
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peaceful prosperous place but now my job is to protect it make sure it's still like that for the
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the next generation i believe independence now there's a big caveat would actually be a catalyst
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that would help the rest of the country because then they would shatter them out of this system
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too and make them reform things and they would become better because we should all be incredibly
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prosperous with the amount of resources we got yeah but the big caveat is that's some of the
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discussions we got to have with the value of freedom and and perhaps with keith wilson's
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white papers and so on we got to make sure we build a better system than we won we left we have
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to be careful i mean we're humans if we broke out and then went right back into a system similar to
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what we just left and we don't deserve it no exactly we've got to have those discussions
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morally unfit for purpose then if that's the case and also like a lot of people when we talk about
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the independence movement they think this is very utopic as in you guys are almost painting it like
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rose-colored glasses everything's going to be fixed and everything's solved and that was one
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of the remarks that encounters that we did receive and uh from a young perspective it
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looks like almost like naive save the world syndrome right where it's like well this is
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gonna this is gonna get itself but i was like it at the very least the mistakes that we
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will come across because that's reality we're going to make some in the pursuit of trying
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to become our own country are ours like we made them as in a lot of what it is that we
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are dealing with today are downstream of choices that i know me and maddie didn't pick that and
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so i'm like i would rather be making my own mistakes but also then consequently i have the
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risk of making my own success and i'm like well that's what i would like to have the choice in
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being able to do because right now as you're alluding to we don't have that choice to even
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thrive yeah i'm forgetting the author of the book but last in the lohicans one of the characters
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lines is i would rather make the gravest of mistakes than surrender my own judgment well
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there you go and we've got such an opportunity if we've been a new nation though to be able to look
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at all the models around the world and pick and choose and perhaps build something superior you
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know the most modern and and freedom oriented sort of system never been built for that time
02:25:28.260
and maybe another country will surpass us and keep competing with better systems people are
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going under the assumption that our constitution is perfect it is i mean if you're saying that we
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because we should just accept it and take what you will that means there's no point pursuing
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change within it and we gotta break out of that thing for the sake of everybody yeah that's one
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thing that i love about all these different tpas especially the variety of them because even kathy
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and angela with the alberta women's independence network right now they're doing different series
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on some of the bills and then your education because you have personal experience also with
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all of these different independence movements over the time of alberta's history everybody's
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got different things that they're bringing in even keith wilson tanya looking at those white papers
02:26:13.660
the solutions people when we talk about the systems and the potential future people that
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haven't looked into it they associate it with a negative because it's unknown and people are
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really scared of what they don't know hence you know the devil i know versus the devil i don't
02:26:27.980
but a line that me and macy have continually gone to was said by cynthia chung who is a canadian
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historian we absolutely love and she said how do you know it's a devil if you don't know it
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there's there's nothing saying that it is and so all of all of these documents and all of the work
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that these tpas are doing is they're bringing to light their priorities and what they want to fix
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in the world and it's a vast variety which is why you should donate to all of them as much as you
02:26:58.380
can but that's the sort of thinking that they are spreading that's the point of giving them the
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the money and the donations so it's not just the signs but it's the ways that they do it and then
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when they go across and give town halls they're not all talking about the same thing and those
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are the system changes that everybody needs to start just recognizing is it is supposed to be
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in your hands every country that for the most part we know that there's infiltration which we talk
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about on our channel which we also have to be aware of but to pay attention to those things in
02:27:30.780
order to even think about what could you do if it was in your hands and a lot of people don't know
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because there's a lot of gaps but then even looking to people like you reading your books looking
02:27:40.780
donating to people that are putting in the effort to write the papers and do potential constitutions
02:27:46.200
it's like we're not alone in this and sometimes people think that they have to figure it all out
02:27:51.020
but there's a lot of people and a lot of tpas that know it needs to happen and so you just reach out
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and that's the community we're building our whole channel and why we love people like cory why we
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love people like daryl's because it's a culture that's being built here and that is the real
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foundation of any new country is the citizenry and thomas pain did the common sense that went
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around through the americas and a lot of that was to just bring about the actual awareness
02:28:20.280
necessary for uh an informed consensual decision about how they felt like they needed to stand up
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we need smart honest discussion something you mentioned earlier which is true people are a
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little guilty of it of promoting a utopia look this isn't going to be easy there's going to be
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hurdles there's going to be a difficulty in transition i mean let's assume in a year or two
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there was an actual binding vote and a strong majority of albertans voted to go i mean we're
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a ways from there yet we've got to be honest about that sure and the other part is there's
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going to be some some disruption the the dollar is going to go down there will be some businesses
02:28:52.060
is leaving there will be capital you know held until there's stability and things happen there's
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going to be battles within the movement itself over which model they want to see in a new province
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uh we've got a lot of those things we got to be honest about you know i think people's bs
02:29:08.280
detectors go off if you say we just vote yes and everything becomes perfect i think that's part of
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why the first pension uh thing out of the provincial government sort of flatlined with
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Albertans, because the Life's Works report took such a overwhelmingly optimistic view and
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interpretation of it on how much Alberta would be entitled to, that not only did the rest of Canada
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say you're not getting away with 60% of the principal, but a lot of Albertans were just
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saying, hey, you're really kind of shooting past the target here. I understand the interpreter
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saying, can't oversell, we got to be realistic about what we're putting out there. It can push
02:29:40.920
people the other way. I mean, when somebody comes and offers you paradise on the doorstep,
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more often than not they're full of crap that sounds too good to be true usually being it's
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too good to be true I mean we're liking it also to take a look at this honestly they say that
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you're a recovering alcoholic it's like there are many people that have found their way through
02:29:59.440
that my dad was one of them you know so the thing is is like you have to have a certain honesty
02:30:04.700
even where you are on the map I mean that's like this whole journey for me and my family started
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with me apologizing to my clan you know just going i was pretty savvy consider myself to be
02:30:15.400
a relatively streetwise guy and i did not understand the land of the lay of the land that
02:30:20.040
i was on the map and it was from that place that now here we are all these years later and in this
02:30:26.480
position and making friends all over not just alberta but like now now we've got some some
02:30:31.080
international audience as well and it's like this is this is coming from uh the ring of truth
02:30:37.240
it's a frequency tell the truth as best you can or at least the best of your knowledge and if all
02:30:42.400
of a sudden we like to change our axioms if somewhere along the way people that are on another
02:30:47.880
side of a particular issue would like to try to convince and edify my mind or that of my families
02:30:53.920
then i would like to encourage and come to the table let's have the discussion so those are right
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oh yeah well obviously because that's how it started for us was there was a whole lot more
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wrong than there was right yeah and it takes it's it i'm a friend of bill's myself uh being through
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part of that all of that process and it's been good for me and a big part of that isn't just
02:31:15.320
pointing out what's wrong with everybody else it's that harsh self-evaluation of realizing
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uh the truth about yourself and you can't prove until you've faced those truths and understood
02:31:24.920
those things like to shield yourself and those lessons can be applied in a broader way and
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in general yeah yeah the ask seek knock parable and lots of people got to remind themselves that
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that whole thing is three sets of action so that's why maddie and i like we emphasize culture the
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most and education in terms of our fight and so when people come and ask questions about what it
02:31:51.100
is that the specific group is or organization and what it is they need to be looking at like all of
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it every single one um because when we were going down the cultural route and then we started getting
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into the history even of as dad alluded to the beginning the uh our technically our old british
02:32:09.320
subject brothers and sisters the americans right they the people like the benjamin franklins i
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read his autobiography and they're the type of people where they had to form communities and
02:32:19.500
it took decades to actually get the populace like intellectually thinking about these concepts of
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what does the freedom mean even when you when you ask yourself like like what does it mean to you
02:32:28.660
exactly and then they would have to figure out how to form almost like their own uh groups that
02:32:34.820
we've kind of seen starting to stir in the surface with the bruise parties and uh matthew rallies
02:32:39.860
where it's like okay so what would a new documentation look like if we were trying
02:32:43.940
to actually physically say what it is that we want right and then that had to build an entirely
02:32:50.180
different like networks upon different networks right he had a thing um that i loved called the
02:32:55.380
juno club and that's actually probably where juno news gets their name derived from where he and a
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group of his intellectual friends and such would try and discuss these ideas like almost like in
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the value of freedom document and then afterwards those friends started to create their own because
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they're like we want more people talking about this writing their essays their articles and
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be um trying to see what it is that we can prompt and then when the time comes to come together to
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kind of go like during their time they had to actually physically fight right so it's like
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and we may or may not have to do that i don't know but but they did that and so they had to form their
02:33:29.400
own coalitions but it was like everything was so much based upon the community that they were
02:33:34.200
building that it was like the government in the system it was never about like the rat experiment
02:33:39.080
you don't have to rely on somebody to come and save you it was like we they figured out a way
02:33:43.000
where they were like no we're just gonna stake our claim because we are educated enough to make the
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republic and therefore keep it right so yeah like all the all the founding fathers that wrote the
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declaration of independence some could argue as far as the minutia's 27 to 32 grievances they
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actually put in evidence most people think it's just uh the beginning it's like when you actually
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read the whole thing they they list the the grievances and crimes if you will that were
02:34:11.480
perpetrated upon them and i see why alberta is in no different of a circumstance when you actually
02:34:17.400
look at how like how we got here these are an awful lot of motivated people right now i and
02:34:23.800
this was leads to a question that i definitely wanted now that i have uh you here was since you
02:34:29.880
have that past that you've had and now you're sitting in a very unique circumstance as we are
02:34:36.360
on the cusp of the largest tidal wave of knowledgeable people in this field per capita
02:34:43.240
in alberta than you've ever seen why did we how did we get there from in your opinion
02:34:49.800
and what gives you hope about this go around sure i mean two things that were kind of
02:34:55.720
in those two parts of the question the first part is similar to right off the bat you know when i
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talked about perhaps what led up through covid through repeated failures things that have led
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to this tipping point and then finally you know hope for change being snatched with a federal
02:35:07.160
election that pulled people up but something that's very different this time that gives me a lot of
02:35:11.480
optimism is the modern communication means we have that didn't exist only 20 years ago when i had the
02:35:17.640
alberta independence party literally we had volunteers who were licking and stamping envelopes
02:35:21.880
and mailing them to people asking for donations sending membership cards only about 10 of our
02:35:26.840
our membership had email at that point we can communicate literally to hundreds of thousands
02:35:33.120
of people for pennies uh share information we have these broadcasts the legacy media aren't
02:35:40.420
the gatekeepers of information anymore now that comes with a risk we've also got more exposure
02:35:46.000
to bs than we ever have in our life the personal responsibility and looking through and who is
02:35:50.580
is saying the right things or the wrong things or right things what their motivations are how
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to think through those things yeah but we have those opportunities like we never had before
02:35:59.640
uh now i'm optimistic but at the same time i see a bit of a void i don't know this is uncharted
02:36:06.340
territory and it makes me excited but also some trepidation part of the problem is mixed messaging
02:36:12.080
you know when you have a smaller group with the founding fathers of the united states but you're
02:36:16.520
spreading that out and that's with limited print and so on you could actually control the message
02:36:19.860
a lot more closely thankfully the message for them was predominantly good right now the message
02:36:24.240
just barraging people from 100 directions at once and it can get deleted it can get confused
02:36:29.480
I think though I've been kind of watching an evolution of social media certain people have
02:36:34.540
sort of just risen organically through people responded and reacted to what they were offering
02:36:39.200
more than others and now it's coalescing I mean with an event like this sort of shows a disparate
02:36:44.720
bunch of people I've never seen a campaign like worked on partisan campaigns all the time now with
02:36:51.260
this this variety of tpas it's a double-edged sword i think it's great because they're coming
02:36:56.000
from a bunch of different directions mine just specializes in signs signs flags visible displays
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there's much much more of the movement than that but i'm kind of saying well i'm going to bite off
02:37:04.720
this corner and take care of it and keith and tanya are going to take care of a lot more of
02:37:08.820
the policy oriented and and press releases and leading that maybe other ones are going to move
02:37:13.140
more on the organization of the ground game when it gets going and allows us to kind of
02:37:17.260
diversify and get that out there as well if any of these tpas blows up
02:37:22.480
happen sure you're insulated it's one of 12 or one of 16 uh but at the same time there's
02:37:29.340
disadvantages you know you're not necessarily moving in the same direction you might have
02:37:32.560
others giving different messages i'm still for the most part optimistic the way we've been working
02:37:37.540
together it's different than a party environment in a party environment you're naturally competitive
02:37:41.680
with you have to be eventually even if you're parties that like each other you have to be
02:37:46.580
running for the same seat in the same spot at some time or another that's the point of the party and
02:37:50.200
you will have to compete these tpas aren't competing at all i mean we're all i guess asking
02:37:54.160
the same pool for people to contribute and help us out volunteer wise or monetarily but still
02:37:58.980
it's it's not harming me if another tpa does better than than what we're doing it means that
02:38:03.500
they're filling a void that we didn't fill so it's good it's moving towards the right end and
02:38:08.480
and we cannot be at each other's throats instead we're all moving in the same direction so i'm
02:38:13.500
really pumped about this and again I don't know what we're gonna see because we've never seen
02:38:18.200
anything quite like but it's turning into something all on its own that I never would
02:38:22.080
have predicted 10 years ago and and I'm loving the direction I don't know why but I mean the way he
02:38:28.200
described it kind of reminded me of when dad was first talking about becoming a dad some of those
02:38:34.100
same like insane excitement but also like crippling fear and I feel like this whole we're
02:38:41.840
raise kind of trying to raise a nation and i only you could talk about i haven't had kids but it's
02:38:47.660
comparable in my brain to the experience you mom did on raising a kid it's scary because all of the
02:38:54.380
books on parenting that are written like this is how to be a good parent they're suggestions and
02:39:00.080
like there are universal certain things my family learns a lot about the brain so we can help and
02:39:05.960
manage everybody easier though it doesn't guarantee success and one that's one thing i learned even
02:39:11.380
reading the socratic dialogues was that he would talk about all of these great people even socrates
02:39:16.980
he had kids but why aren't they known in history so just because you have you know supposedly a
02:39:23.640
good canada or a good parent country because judy wanted to give credit to some of the systems and
02:39:31.020
you said earlier some of the things in the system they came from good roots you know there's some
02:39:36.440
good things in the magna carta and then we did copy some things from the american declaration
02:39:42.200
but there's no guarantee that the same quality and virtue gets passed down throughout the
02:39:49.480
generations and looking at that and looking at how canada has i've what you alluded to earlier
02:39:59.640
strayed from the thing the idea of raising this thing into something new as something scary the
02:40:08.100
positive thing about knowing the brain that we learned is we were listening to all the different
02:40:13.600
constitution debates from dennis from matthew rowley who was a bit more of a monarchist and
02:40:19.000
then from bruce party and it was a very overwhelming discussion if you've never thought about these
02:40:26.220
things because your brain goes what if what if what if but how and because all of the problems
02:40:31.420
that we see today we want to figure out how to manage it and some people say well the solution
02:40:35.460
is not to manage it and knowing history we can find examples where not managing it cause problems
02:40:41.960
managing it cause problems and so one of the things when people look at different constitutions
02:40:47.660
and solutions for what alberta could be um the thing is knowing the personal responsibility that
02:40:54.260
you're talking about is because no matter what the system is we have seen republics fail we have
02:41:01.120
seen monarchs fail we have so it doesn't we have seen democracies fail so all these precon notions
02:41:07.960
about what it makes to be a good parent what it takes to be a good we are discovering that it
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really takes each and every individual and that's what these tpas are founded on they're very
02:41:18.860
grassroots movements and the reason that we are so enthusiastic about that we got him we started
02:41:25.180
with federal politics and the ppc and then we were like okay try locally try and get a bit more in
02:41:31.500
our hands so then we tried provincial that did okay then we went municipal that did okay though
02:41:38.540
you'll find that there's problems amongst all three and then once we realized the culture and
02:41:43.820
how it doesn't matter really how good intention the system is if you don't have a good educated
02:41:49.580
populace people that do their research and talk to one another if they don't have the time they
02:41:54.140
have a friend that they continually consult just like a family would because the family is supposed
02:41:59.180
to divide and conquer that is how we actually reach the success because on paper it can look
02:42:07.340
as beautiful as it wants but it's always up to the person that is actually implementing it and that
02:42:13.180
That is one thing that I've learned, even you going through all of the motions that you have with your different movements.
02:42:18.220
It's like some of the parties had great foundations, but why did they fail?
02:42:23.720
Well, we've got to look at the others and learn and look at the better models.
02:42:27.380
I'm not going to look at the morbidly obese person for advice on how to lose weight.
02:42:34.000
I'm not going to look to Syria for how to have good governance and avoid civil wars.
02:42:40.400
but we have those examples and there's a lot of positive examples we can look to and that's where
02:42:45.560
I'm seeing an opportunity but we do have to think about so where are things going well how are they
02:42:50.080
doing I love Switzerland model as an example again not perfection but certainly an interesting one
02:42:55.200
for a landlocked country with population and areas there are other working models of democracies all
02:43:02.200
over there's some interesting ones really emerging in Asia actually you know that are doing quite well
02:43:06.000
look to the best we've got a lot of negative models i mean it takes critical thinking though
02:43:11.380
yeah what went wrong there you know i mean not every parent is good i mean yeah often are good
02:43:17.060
intention or some aren't good it's awful to think of but uh you know so we take our advice from the
02:43:23.460
parents who are successful with what they've done and we look at that and we can see that
02:43:27.720
so it's it's just a whole lot to bite off and it's a it's a correction staying on the parenting
02:43:35.000
model is something to consider because like one of the discussions that we have around our house
02:43:38.940
a lot right now is once again like how did we get here because there were it's very reactionary
02:43:44.960
where things have come right a series of events played out and then people felt like they just
02:43:50.760
got like cold water splashed on the face and then also went and had a cold bath and they didn't know
02:43:54.640
how to whim off like they're finding themselves in shock and then it's caused the motivation but
02:43:59.980
even in that there's lots of um areas where we've kind of slipped a little bit we're not okay people
02:44:07.820
going at each other but i mean these are family fights these are the things about even family i
02:44:11.580
mean that that's how we're looking at the whole overarching and all the different people and
02:44:16.780
that's why we are so awake once again because we're going to divert attention back to the tpas
02:44:21.100
we should read these off too like let's actually give the names of them all and hopefully there's
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a ticker we've got them all here right yeah we got stay free alberta let alberta decide
02:44:29.260
the levine show speaking of a good family uh cory morgan united alberta flags albertaschoice.com
02:44:38.060
and the alberta women's independence network there's also albertans for freedom there are so
02:44:43.020
many more so and the reason why i just want to encourage that is that we want to put out there
02:44:48.060
as a message also for our segment because we're coming into the landing zone here it's 2 48 i
02:44:52.940
think we're what three o'clock or something something like that until somebody comes in
02:44:56.220
and pulls that yanks yeah the little hook but the thing is is that these are all of our family
02:45:00.860
and including we would like to give them the tools and the knowledge and exposure for
02:45:05.580
equipment because odds are there's going to be a lot of people that will watch this telethon
02:45:10.700
and the odds are they're going to be advocates for this movement as it is in order for them
02:45:15.900
to even tune in in the first place what i'm hoping that is that somewhere along the way
02:45:20.460
we've given them some tools some things to think about some research to go and do and
02:45:25.340
books to go and read because i thoroughly enjoyed your work i did it twice and it was really really
02:45:30.060
early is before you even revamped it a little bit for where we were um just same with like
02:45:35.820
michael wagner's works and whatnot it's because i honestly feel that as albertans in order to be
02:45:41.820
able to not get bamboozled by a lot of the um mystics and malinformation slogans that are out
02:45:49.660
there and there are people with fantastic intentions but they're tripping over their feet
02:45:54.300
in a lot of ways so in order to be able to navigate through egos and icons i'm hoping that
02:45:59.580
the dialogue and these types of events can equip people i saw mike get slid in on yes on daryl
02:46:07.180
about time is going to have to like swing it around right
02:46:17.260
no no it's it's i mean it's fascinating for me because i've i've watched the evolution
02:46:24.700
of the holmes family so for me to see where they've started what they've overcome going
02:46:30.860
the opportunity to the community um has been standing for you you've kind of been the godfather
02:46:37.660
to everybody and it's such a long time that there's so much respect there and i think that's
02:46:43.340
when you're i mean i'm watching 45 minutes of you guys engaging on the evolution of the idea and
02:46:49.100
and gals are catching up mike's saying hey let's go and you're going hey we've been there here's
02:46:55.740
here's how the picture looks and i think that that's what's encouraging right i mean uh for
02:47:00.940
those of us we're always behind the scenes trying to make it happen before you're out there in the
02:47:06.540
front getting shot at the time um there's a lot of respect for those who have come before us and i
02:47:12.780
think as the group gets bigger it's important for us to remember respectful to that history
02:47:18.620
because you know this hasn't happened in one hour one day or right right this this has been going
02:47:25.500
on since like 1904 and said mike let's not go back to that right there but subscribe to us
02:47:32.500
tune into us and we'll talk about that yeah yeah and it's there and a couple things that you talked
02:47:38.640
about and great that people are donating to the tpas because there's so much work there and you
02:47:44.200
know we're we're drawing from a small pool that's growing people who donate i think as the momentum
02:47:51.680
goes people should have hope you know there's hope that the ideas are starting to generate not just
02:47:58.260
hey let's go but where do we go and i mean there's ben trudeau has a great book out enough i mean he
02:48:05.020
that all kind of started because we did the town hall of the courage to listen and
02:48:09.420
would it canada be what would alberta be within the united canada is that the place
02:48:17.020
value of freedom came out this the very day and so you know that was kind of the birth of this
02:48:27.840
discussion that's going on but what i think that people overlook is the fact that we have so many
02:48:33.860
things we could do now to be independent and sovereign but government chooses not to and it's
02:48:40.160
always the third question we have to ask it's not the first one it's not the second one it's like
02:48:44.340
having a conversation a third person comes in you get a validation and I think why is government not
02:48:50.220
doing more to promote prosperity why are we happy with the lid that's on the pot and I think so many
02:48:59.380
people in alberta that are entrepreneurial minded that's what we we see just like the sky's the limit
02:49:05.860
except there's a lot of dark clouds that get put over it by policy so in alberta alone we could
02:49:12.020
have repatriated a lot of money for the pension and had that money being generated in alberta
02:49:18.340
i mean quebec did it with just the bow they've had it with their own thing i mean we don't even
02:49:23.780
deposit alberta royalties in the alberta bank right that goes to the cibc they call they skim
02:49:30.980
off 800 million something like that in fees so our government in alberta and you know i have a long
02:49:37.140
history with um they're not really committed to building alberta as a as a fortress in canada and
02:49:45.940
making alberta as strong as it is and i hear it i see it but you know there's a lot of criticisms
02:49:51.140
that could be made but at the same time we have to be as the people the politicians will never be
02:49:56.240
the solution we have to demand the change and we have to call for it and that's why i think the
02:50:01.520
movement has grown um the tools are certainly better although we got an emergency broadcast
02:50:07.280
here just a few minutes ago and i thought it was because c22 was actually official but apparently
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there's an autistic right why doesn't that get a big warning right and and you know it dawned on
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me sitting here listening to everyone have this dialogue that um local news has just died again
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right uh global tvs just announced the the removal of alberta news from uh in edmonton and calgary
02:50:33.500
you know more local news not being told and centralized into toronto so toronto is going
02:50:38.660
to tell alberta news nice which you know they always have yeah it's the hunger games they're
02:50:44.220
the capital or district 12. so you got a minute your channels are going to do great i think you
02:51:00.840
been talking about asking good questions and dialogue
02:51:14.820
are one of those people thinking about it or you have
02:51:18.680
a think about it and they got questions i got a question for a friend right i got a question for
02:51:23.000
a friend it is literally your job to start the dialogue because that is how as you know daryl's
02:51:28.780
pointing out this local conversation and your local dialogues that's the news it's juno news
02:51:34.840
like the little juno groups and so get together with your friends and start talking and asking
02:51:39.060
those questions so definitely do that we are emphatically grateful for this opportunity and
02:51:44.400
thank you both for coming on and we could do another whole hour but
02:51:47.840
oh no i was fascinating listening to everybody we'll have him on our podcast yeah yeah you guys
02:51:56.000
matter i'm assuming we're there we're in your hands yeah we're in your hands here for the studio so
02:52:01.460
here with cory morgan another one of our third party advertisers the name of your tpa cory
02:52:08.840
pathway to independence pathway to independence and i've talked to you before i interviewed you
02:52:13.900
the day uh that you were in calgary handing out some of your signs it's been an incredible success
02:52:18.620
for you hasn't oh boy has it ever it's taken right off uh you know i i just like to remind people i
02:52:23.980
didn't anticipate it blowing up so big so i've been terribly organized we've had fantastic
02:52:28.380
volunteers stepping up though and helping as this shotgun approach uh over 12 000 signs made now
02:52:33.340
probably about 9 000 of them distributed at this point and still more just just churning out and
02:52:38.780
getting out there the demand and the the support has been incredible a lot of work and i know you've
02:52:43.740
you've talked about uh there's challenges certainly but i think the challenges and the
02:52:48.060
rules through elections alberta kind of well i was going to say it makes it equal for everybody i
02:52:52.140
don't know that that's actually the case because of what's going on with uh the forever canadian
02:52:56.300
people but it does give you some guidelines and uh it's allowed you to raise a quite a bit of
02:53:01.900
money so far isn't it it has and you know i don't mind the guidelines most of them are based on just
02:53:06.860
transparency having some maximums just reporting where's your money coming from
02:53:10.700
and making sure also the reporting on how you spend it later so you know people aren't getting
02:53:14.540
ripped off and it goes rip along so it's been good to keep up with it and uh the amount raised
02:53:19.260
now has been well just a bit over a hundred thousand dollars which is far beyond what i
02:53:23.740
ever anticipated right and you know we've there's been a little bit of controversy some signs taken
02:53:29.340
down or people trying to take down signs we went to taber a few weeks back which was a great success
02:53:33.660
people supporting your billboards around the province as well um and there's been a little
02:53:37.900
little bit of vandalism but let's stay away from that you have been in on this fight well i guess
02:53:43.600
decades now yeah i've been pretty stubborn i was 29 years old i started the alberta independence
02:53:48.540
party i really uh i similar to now in a sense of just kind of diving in and and uh finding myself
02:53:54.180
just working with how i went yeah uh we learned a heck of a lot since then we certainly learned a
02:53:58.500
lot then i've concluded the federation was broken a long time ago and i'm still holding on to that
02:54:03.660
conclusion i was going to say to you nothing has come along to change your mind and all that time
02:54:08.660
You know, I mean, there's been times where I certainly have worked on more pragmatic change because the movement wasn't moving or things are going.
02:54:13.700
You don't stop everything else just because you've concluded, you know, the Federation's broken.
02:54:17.540
But now seeing this finally with enough people realizing that this has to come to a question has been great.
02:54:23.040
If people want to find out more about you, what's your website?
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CoreyMorgan.com, which, again, I like to explain.
02:54:35.960
But if you would like to support Corey's third party as a third party advertiser, go to albertatelethon.com and click on his link.
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they stood in line for hours brave the cold and when you talked about their children and the mess
02:55:14.760
we're living in from the back row of the hall to the front row of the fight you said if they're
02:55:23.240
gonna hear us it's gonna be tonight come on let's go so that's gonna be the battle cry for our
02:56:11.140
That's what the whole thing with all these events are for.
02:56:13.780
People understand that they're part of a group of like-minded people
02:56:16.700
that think and have the same ambitions and goals as they have.
02:56:40.580
Slow roll down from Edmonton, high beams cutting through
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Northbound up from Calgary, every small town waiting on you
02:56:51.820
Truck stop, coffee cooling between petitions in the rain
02:57:12.200
Every name like gasoline, kicking up that rebel choir
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Let me shake your hand, thank you for your time
02:59:15.540
no thank you for for joining the live stream it's amazing i i know how many people are watching us
02:59:24.640
right now but i think today's goal is to support alberta independence and to get us as many
02:59:30.300
donations as possible for third-party advertisers so i'm just going to remind everyone before we
02:59:35.100
even start to go to alberta.com and select your advertisers oh shila and tamar it's so awesome
02:59:44.060
having you please tell tell us where you are right now okay so we are in lethbridge alberta right
02:59:50.700
now this is our second sign drop-off location today we started the morning in okotoks uh where
02:59:57.260
we met a couple hundred people give out a couple hundred signs for my third party advertiser
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it's albertas-choice.com we've got a couple of different signs so we're just finishing up here
03:00:10.540
in lethbridge i hope we have enough signs because we have to go to medicine hat still today so we're
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on quite a junket on a blazing hot day but this is the grassroots tpa that could and we're doing
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our best to spread the word that alberta just wants fair treatment and a chance to have our say
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yeah oh that's amazing you guys are so busy i guess it's thanks so much for for doing that guys
03:00:36.300
what what do you think for for albert the independence is there a lot of people coming
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up to pick up those signs we started off the day with 500 signs i think we will probably have about
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50 to give out by the time we get to medicine hat we're just wrapping up here now and we still have
03:00:53.820
you know like 15 maybe 20 people still here just gathering around talking it's a very busy day yeah
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but when we got here to Lethbridge there was like a crowd of maybe 50 people here and when
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we started the day in Okotoks we weren't supposed to start till nine but we know our people are
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eager and they were already there at 8 30 just snatching up signs so very busy um people like
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our signs uh because they speak to the inequity of the treatment of Alberta one of our signs
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says quebec got to vote why can't we in fact quebec got two votes and we have to jump through
03:01:30.620
all these ridiculous hoops just to get a chance to ask the same question quebec did and that
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isn't fair that's just another reason why albertans deserve a chance to determine their own future
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exactly exactly and what are the people saying do you have anyone coming to you while picking
03:01:48.460
up those signs and you know having a small chat what is the biggest reason that people support it
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yeah i'm gonna shut up and let samara take this one uh we've been busy talking to people like
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crazy i mean the one thing about it is they're very happy they're very hopeful they're looking
03:02:05.820
forward to the future of alberta they have a lot of concerns with how this government is being run
03:02:10.780
and how canadians are being treated and uh but the vibe is positive you know there's not a lot of
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Debbie Downers in this camp. They're really excited for what's coming. They're excited to
03:02:20.560
talk about the possibilities of what a free and independent Alberta could look like. And it's
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just been an amazing day already. I'm not going to even have a voice tomorrow. We've been talking
03:02:29.160
so much. Oh, talking so much, shaking so many hands. And yes, lots of hugs. And I just want
03:02:34.660
to reiterate what Tamara's saying. Unlike what is being offered on the other side of this, very
03:02:40.460
little arguments outside of nostalgia and name calling from the Forever Canada and the Federalist
03:02:47.280
side. The people on the independent side, they're full of facts. They can tell you the number when
03:02:54.100
you talk to them about equalization. They can tell you the number when you talk to them about
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the inequitable distribution of Senate seats. They come armed with the facts. And the other side just
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comes with like i said nostalgia and insults it's well we love canada um i used to love it too i love
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what it used to be and you know they they call you names they shut down the argument in fact
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um we had i should tell you crazy thing we didn't plan it this way when we got here to our spot well
03:03:28.140
the forever canada people were set up across the parking lot um and you know they kept to their
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side we kept to ours it's fine i don't want to fight with them i wanted i want to have our say
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at the ballot box but they did have somebody from their side get a little frisky and come over here
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and get a little aggressive with a nice older lady but he shut his mouth real fast when the
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young fellows got involved um you know if your argument comes down to pointing your fingers in
03:03:57.400
the face of a little old lady maybe you don't have an argument at all yeah exactly yeah that's uh
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I mean, and that's one of the things that I'm so proud about this side of the movement is, is that, you know, people, we are not the ones out there calling names or being disrespectful.
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You know, like I said, everyone's really happy, happy and they're hopeful and they're respectful to others and what other people's points of view are.
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And sorry, maybe we're monopolizing the show right now.
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We're very excited because it really fills your social battery up to meet with people all day.
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You know, we're in journalism, so we get a lot of anger directed at us on social media.
03:04:42.900
But it's good to touch grass, quite literally, and be in the real world with real people.
03:04:50.540
There is a substantial portion of the Canadian population that is addicted to fear post-COVID.
03:04:55.220
And so now that the COVID fear has receded, the fear of separation is their new addiction.
03:05:01.240
But, you know, when you talk to these people, and I've sort of said it all day, they're not scared.
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They really believe in Albertans, that there's nothing that we can't do.
03:05:10.700
When you look at the place that we were able to build in spite of the federal government, in spite of the weather and the climate and all the challenges that faced this province since its inception,
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we have built a wonderful beautiful place that we must protect as our own and it's a pioneering
03:05:28.040
spirit we were pioneers and we're about to pioneer a new country or trailblazers yeah we got the
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people we got the talent we got the resources we got the experience we got the know-how enthusiasm
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Exactly. No, Tamara, I wanted to ask you, I think you were a part of WeExit before people took, you know, Western independence seriously.
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I mean, how does it feel any different from 2019? How does it feel right now?
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Oh, man. Well, there's definitely a lot more momentum. And I think maybe the Maverick Party was a little bit ahead of its time.
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ahead of its time. You know, I've often thought what it would be like to have that, to have
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something like that now, as opposed to 2019. But I would say that the sentiment now is much
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more increased. There's a lot more support behind Del Verde independence now, for sure.
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And I think seeing those numbers on the petition normalized it for a lot of people. I think a lot
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of people believe in independence, maybe they didn't put their name on the petition. But seeing
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that 301,000 of their fellow Albertans were willing to stick their name and address on a
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piece of paper to say, we deserve a chance. I think it really normalized the conversation.
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It's not a fringe thing. You know, we know the majority of people within the UCP party itself
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support Western independence. We know that nearly 50%, and this is from our albertas-choice.com
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official polling data, and we hired Main Street to do it for us. So we thought we'd hire a sort
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a left-leaning pollster so we knew exactly what we were dealing with we wanted to know the mountain
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we had to overcome but we got data that showed that like almost 50 of indigenous people support
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independence regardless of what their chiefs are saying so we know that this is a really
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mainstream movement regardless of the lies as a mainstream media and there are a few people in
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the middle and that's all it's going to take to get this over the finish line and i mean i think
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every time Prime Minister Carney opens his mouth, 10 new independent supporters get up.
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Oh yeah, and I actually wanted to ask you, Sheila, about your book that you wrote on the blueprint.
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I wanted to ask you because there was a referendum in 1995 for Quebec and they did the right kind of
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preparation. Do you think we are getting this preparation right for ourselves right now?
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you know when i wrote the book we weren't you know and that's the problem with writing books
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is they only snow they only show a snapshot of what's happening at that moment and when i wrote
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the book um and what i did with the book it's called independence blueprint what alberta can
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learn from quebec at that time we weren't doing any of the groundwork that quebec was doing we
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have the enthusiasm we have the grievances for sure but we hadn't done any of the public engagement
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the sitting down and answering the questions and and you know in quebec they had this commission
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that went everywhere across the province and they had separate commissions for young people
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and senior citizens because they faced different issues and they really wanted to know what their
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objections would be what their fears were and they wanted to table a plan to address those because
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they knew project fear was coming for them and it did work at the end when when the independence was
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surging in quebec that's when they the federalists just unleashed everything they had and it really
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put a stop to that the more groundwork we do in advance which i think keith wilson and his group
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are doing right now the more public engagement the more facts and education are out there the less
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that fear that we saw in quebec will be effective on albertans exactly yes i think keith wilson
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started a good transition council so i think we are getting more more more and more prepared for
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this entire event i also wanted to ask you know for for tamara i heard that there is something
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going on in terms of uh you know additional charity i think i think you were there you know
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you got arrested multiple times with no bail i wanted to ask you uh do you think that like uh
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did it impact you to support alberta independence how how did your overall sentiment towards the
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federal government is after all of this and uh i heard that there are some things coming up soon
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in october so just wanted to get your perspective what do you think well i think that canada does
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not have a justice system i think that canada has a legal system and what you're referring to
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is we have an appeals process coming up chris barber and myself um as most people that are
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following these cases will know that pat king had his or his acquittal on his intimidation charge
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overturned by the appellate court yesterday and he's going back for resentencing and within the
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the next 60 days so that's obviously very concerning for for everybody else and you know
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what I love Canadians Igor I can't tell you enough how much support that Chris and I and so many
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others have gotten from Canadians Canada as it sits right now not so much I mean it's not it's
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definitely not the country that I grew up in and it's and it's very concerning it's very concerning
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to me that we have three judges that wrote in a decision that the freedom convoy was an organized
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attack on ottawa citizens yeah that's very concerning to me uh because that's that's
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liberal talking points that those are not facts um and those are now written in a legal decision
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going forward so i'm anticipating that our appeal will now be expedited because they were actually
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waiting on this decision and um and they're trying to do the same thing they're trying to have myself
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Chris Barber's intimidation acquittals overturned and have us serve more jail time oh my goodness
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this is and this is after i think it was already like five years how sorry that they did or
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uh it was already pretty long yeah my sentence will be served before this even gets to the
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appellate court most likely and my sentence will be served in january of 2027 so again then you
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know we're just going to start this whole process all over again this is something you know this is
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honestly you know scary for a lot of especially immigrants coming from those countries you know
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where democracy is not there so much so it's kind of scary even for me coming from eastern
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europe hearing that people get this kind of things going on here here in alberta it's almost
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feels like you know to me it almost feels like a made-up charge you know just to intimidate people
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from speaking up that's my personal perception of this you know it could be it could be a different
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thing from the legal perspective but that's how i see it you know from where i come from it's uh you
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know if you speak up your mind too much this kind of charges appear you know it's at least from my
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perspective i just spoke to a gentleman whose family immigrated here from china and he said
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the same thing like that his parents would just be absolutely appalled by what's going on here
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and i had to tell him the story about you know when we were at the freedom convoy if we were
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walking around canadians would obviously come up and they'd hug us and they'd cry on our shoulder
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and they would be very grateful but when the uh immigrants that came from communist countries
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came up it was a completely different it was a desperate gratitude tears of desperation from
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people that have watched this playbook and they're watching it happen in canada in slow motion
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and a lot of our immigrant population that came from these communist countries have been trying
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to sound the alarm bells for quite a considerable amount of time um so it is alarming to them and
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and uh and they should know they know what they're talking about you know and to just bring this all
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back to the whole idea of independence these judges by and large are federally appointed by
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the liberal party some of them are liberal donors there's a requirement on the supreme court that
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they be francophone all of that means that they are largely not from the west so these judges do
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not represent the values of the West. We are seeing light sentences or no sentences at all
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for career criminals, illegal migrants getting light sentences so that it doesn't jeopardize
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their immigration. But then you see the book being thrown at people like Tamara Leach. And then when
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they lose, they try to get another kick at the can. And so I think what we're seeing in the justice
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system, which as Tamara points out, is simply just a legal system. It fuels Western independence
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Because we see that we do not want to be a part of a country that allows catch and release for people who harm children, people who harm our fellow Canadians.
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But then when you see what's happening to Tamara, you see that it is a political decision that we no longer want to be a part of.
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Exactly. And, you know, honestly, before we continue, I just want to remind everyone
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to go through the link and put your donations for your favorite TPA, third party advertisers
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Exactly. Yes, please don't forget that too, because I think that's the only way to fight
03:14:53.520
tyranny at this point to get, you know, as many donations as possible to have the vote
03:14:59.320
to get us out because we have unlimited budget of traditional media i think we have i think uh
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was it was it you sure that you were saying about two-tier media system that we have or you know
03:15:10.640
that we have and yeah i think the social media and that's what they're trying to close right now
03:15:17.240
is the only way and we have to get out before before it's too late so make sure you donate
03:15:22.200
i also wanted to ask you tomorrow how do you keep on going if you know that there's so many so much
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of stress is going to your family you know potential another charges or another thing
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that might come up we we don't know how do you keep on going despite of all of those things
03:15:36.560
because a lot of people would just they would look around they would just give up by now they
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would say you know what i don't want to deal with this i'm too scared yeah igor i want to know that
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too yeah well honestly you just you just answered your own question i'm not afraid these people
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don't scare me and and people just need to understand there is nothing to fear i mean
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what can they take from me that that i really truly need you know they've put me on house arrest
03:15:59.240
and the judge has um blocked my mobility rights but she doesn't give me my freedom my freedom
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comes from god and i think he's got my back um and i'm just really fortunate that i have an
03:16:09.940
amazing family who supports what i do all right and uh good co-workers obviously the best co-workers
03:16:17.560
in the entire world um and so you know chris barbara and i talk at length about how blessed
03:16:23.240
how truly I feel like the luckiest woman in the world I've had support and this goes back to what
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I was saying about Canadians you know Canadians have really supported Chris and I and everybody
03:16:31.980
from the Freedom Convoy and we let we appreciate it and love them so much um and you know that I
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guess that's what keeps me going and they just don't scare me and uh and I'm just not good with
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I'm not going to let them break me you know they just they can't and and honestly that's one of
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the things they hate the most and I've been speaking about this a little bit lately because
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there's quite a bit of backlash after I was at the U.S. Ambassadors there on the 4th of July
03:16:58.360
and you know a lot of people that don't like me are more upset that I'm not miserable sad broken
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and demoralized but that's really not in my nature so so yeah I feel really lucky and you know to be
03:17:12.320
quite frank we're almost through this we've got about just over two months left of our house
03:17:16.520
rest and then we'll have a curfew for a few months and you know then this will be all over
03:17:23.560
oh that's that's that's the good part i yeah and i hope it's it's all going to be over i
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hope we you know i hope by october once we have our referendum you know we are going to move towards
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to more towards freedom because i think it's getting a little bit more you know heated up
03:17:38.120
because recently i don't know if you've seen that news an edmonton person was walking around with the
03:17:42.120
the you know it was the flag alberta flag it was almost thrown under the car it you know it could
03:17:48.840
have been a homicide if that person were to get run over by that car it's it's crazy things you
03:17:55.400
know igor i did run into that man his name is don bonner i ran into him at keith wilson's pancake
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breakfast for uh let alberta decide uh last weekend in calgary and he also amazed me with his positive
03:18:09.880
attitude he has very much the same positive attitude as tamara that yes maybe he could have
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flung me into traffic but thank god i didn't get run over and he's grateful for the driver with
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their quick reaction and you know he said it's not going to stop me they did that to stop me
03:18:26.640
so if i stopped didn't they win and i think that's exactly the right attitude to have you know we
03:18:31.720
we got to go out there we got to have the facts but we got to have the right attitude because this
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is not a level playing field the other side does not have to register as a third party advertiser
03:18:42.860
group the other side can push our people into traffic the other side can get aggressive we
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can't it's not fair but we have to know that we have to be on our best behavior and we have to
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we all have to be great ambassadors for the movement absolutely it's actually the more
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successful this becomes the more desperate the other side and vicious ambitious and so i just
03:19:05.500
want to tell everyone to stay safe out there dial the heat down on a swivel and just be aware of
03:19:11.420
your surroundings and uh you know hopefully these these other guys smarten up a bit exactly it's uh
03:19:17.820
you have to always yeah you have to watch your back because some some i don't know why it is
03:19:23.260
sometimes i'm thinking it it's like a trump derangement syndrome almost going on on the
03:19:26.700
other side i don't know what's you know even though we don't have trump here but they get
03:19:31.100
really aggressive without any reasonable explanation to it so always you you also
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be careful there when you're in public giving away your sites because some forever forever
03:19:41.420
canada people who don't even have to declare this is the craziest part about it is that they don't
03:19:45.660
have to declare the third party advertiser where the funds is coming from is it even coming from
03:19:50.540
alberta where it's all spanned it's crazy yeah we don't have any idea igor we oh yeah we have about
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two more minutes otherwise we're never going to make it to medicine hat so yeah i wanted to ask
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what do you think about premier's uh you know shila what do you think about premier's question
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that she she rewarded it to you know it became a different question for october you know so yes
03:20:19.340
leads to another referendum rather than is it a smart correction or just way to stall the movement
03:20:26.380
how would you address it no actually for both of you yeah i think it was neither uh i think
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it was neither a smart correction or a means to stall the movement i don't think she's out to
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stall the movement i think we can and i understand people's anger towards premier smith for sure i
03:20:44.220
get it um but i think she was sort of left with no choice with the court decision that said that
03:20:50.620
there wasn't adequate enough consultation with first nations groups she just and she was public
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she said i disagree with that that's right um she was vocal about that but to challenge that
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decision would have taken this beyond october and so this is the only way to salvage an opportunity
03:21:09.500
for albertans to have their say but also to have their say down the road it amounts to adequate
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consultation i guess i don't like it i don't agree with the court the premier was clear that
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she doesn't agree with the court you know what consultation is one person one vote regardless
03:21:26.540
regardless of your ethnicity we're consulting everybody on the matter of a referendum i think
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she was stuck between a rock and a hard place and she split the baby and there's just no winner there
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yeah no i don't really have too much to add to that um remember premier smith wasn't didn't
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have an independence mandate when she was elected she never ran on that platform but
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Like, I think she is trying to mitigate both sides and make it hot.
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I think if everybody's unhappy, she's probably she probably thinks she probably did the right thing.
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You have to remember, she did not have to fix the referendum process.
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Jason Kenney made it insurmountable to proceed with a referendum in this province.
03:22:09.180
She lowered the bar and made it a little bit more achievable.
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And the independence movement did achieve that.
03:22:15.300
the activist courts and the activist chiefs got in the way and i i think it was just an ugly
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situation and it wasn't made any better by that decision but i'm not sure what else she could
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have done oh yeah well yeah thank you so thank you so much ladies for for joining us on this
03:22:32.920
and giving all this incredible information and and especially doing all the groundwork that
03:22:38.520
you're doing by actually giving up the signs not only you know like most people on youtube like
03:22:43.320
myself we just make videos but you guys actually do the actual work yes real jobs to get alberta
03:22:51.300
independent exactly and also want to remind everyone to go ahead and support the third
03:22:57.280
party advertisers and that's the i think that's the only way for us to to get our independence
03:23:02.060
because like you were saying the you know the forever canada crowd i don't even know whether
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i should call them forever canada people i just you know summarize it because it's almost like
03:23:11.580
trump the regiment syndrome on that side going on in that way they don't have to forever slavery
03:23:16.300
yeah forever slavery i think that's actually way way better it's people who are being driven by
03:23:23.580
fear a lot you know and they're having unlimited printing machine of money from what i'm seeing
03:23:30.600
because if they don't declare where the money is coming from and could be coming from anywhere it
03:23:34.820
actually doesn't really make sense if they're you know from my perspective they are companion
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their companion not for unity of canada their companion specifically against alberta independence
03:23:45.000
they were literally in the same parking lot as us today with flags we had flags they had flags
03:23:52.820
i have signs they had signs they had volunteers i got a volunteer they were doing exactly the
03:24:00.440
same they were taking donations i'm taking donations doing exactly the same thing i was
03:24:04.940
doing in the exact same city 50 feet that way and i've got to register as a third party advertiser
03:24:10.580
and declare everything and they don't make it make sense it's it's it it does make sense it's
03:24:16.920
you know the biggest surprise i got for me is that my investigation by elections alberta got
03:24:22.040
dismissed i didn't even know i was investigated for something i said on x i was like oh wow i'm
03:24:27.360
not even registered a third party advertiser i didn't do anything you know i was like why are
03:24:32.840
investigated i just got a letter saying it's been dismissed i was like oh well i guess it's a good
03:24:37.480
sign i can do you one better they investigated me for writing a book called stop notly and i
03:24:43.800
gave out lawn signs to promote the book and then elections alberta investigated me issued a 50 i
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think a 50 600 fine and then when i said you you concluded the investigation without even
03:24:57.080
interviewing me they said oh we made a mistake now we want to interview you then then the fine
03:25:02.440
got rescinded when i recorded my phone call with the investigator when like my lawn signs literally
03:25:08.520
said stop not leave buy the book and they said that was a campaign but i was advertising anyway
03:25:14.760
they came after me wow that's that that's that's crazy they really they reduced the amount or they
03:25:20.840
dropped it that uh they dropped it all together once once i said you didn't even interview me
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and i'm about to lawyer up big time then they got rattled and then dropped the fine
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oh my goodness i guess that's their that's the biggest way of just intimidating people out of it
03:25:36.080
you know it's yeah it i'm sure they might be watching our live stream right now so we also
03:25:42.080
have to be careful you know not to say something they could you know not to say something they
03:25:48.160
could catch to it and say that you're saying something i'm not scared i'm not scared of
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elections alberta i fought them once in one come again no absolutely absolutely i think i was the
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sound on my on my headphone somehow but i can hear you a little bit okay yeah we can still hear you
03:26:05.720
but igor i must tell you we have to wrap up we have to get to our next location i don't want
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the people waiting for me i have the signs sounds good sounds good that's amazing well
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you you may just have a wonderful journey and keep doing the great work
03:26:20.040
thank you for and your entire team for putting this together
03:26:28.540
John we're talking about you thank you to and to everybody at home watching Max also everybody at
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home watching everybody who's putting their hard-earned money behind whatever TPA you choose
03:26:40.600
please choose mine but whatever hard-earned money that you are giving we know how hard you work for
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that we know that there are other things that you could be spending your money on but we promise
03:26:49.640
we're out here working hard giving up our weekends our evenings after we have real jobs to fight for
03:26:56.280
western independence and we just appreciate everybody who's doing that
03:26:59.900
who's supporting all of us whether it's Cory Keith us anybody thank you so much
03:27:04.380
we appreciate you thank you thank you thank you especially for for doing all
03:27:47.240
Three months from today, you'll be asked to vote for option two on question 10 in the referendum.
03:27:52.220
but a lot is going to happen between now and October the 19th. Let me put it to you this way
03:27:59.220
over the next three months the full weight of the federal government of Canada the Liberal Party of
03:28:04.960
Canada and the Prime Minister of Canada Mark Carney will come down on Alberta to try to stop
03:28:10.860
us from gaining our independence. Not only that the full weight of the Conservative Party of Canada
03:28:15.740
its MPs many of whom you voted for and its leader Pierre Polyev will come down on Alberta
03:28:21.360
to try to stop us from gaining our independence.
03:28:40.100
Not only that, these parties have endless amounts of money.
03:28:49.400
and this is a pretty steep hill to climb. But today we can make a difference. Today we can
03:28:57.820
make a stand. Today we can send a message to Ottawa. So far third-party advertisers on our
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side are doing very well. We're out raising the other side but we have hundreds of thousands of
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dollars and they have millions and billions. If you can, over the next 12 hours, please contribute
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Please donate to the third-party advertisers we'll be talking about today.
03:30:19.240
and we are back right here and now i also invited john bolton to come back to our stage i want to
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remind everyone to go and donate as much as possible to to get us through the referendum
03:30:37.880
question go to albertatelethon.com and it's that's that's the website and there is i think there's a
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six tpas seven seven yeah seven there yes and you can pick the one you want so there's seven there
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yeah perfect choose the tpa that you think you want to donate to and go ahead and support because
03:30:55.640
we are fighting against legacy media that has unlimited yeah amount of funds coming from your
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taxes probably if you can uh donate to more than one that'd be terrific you know um it's been
03:31:06.280
fantastic so far i just was talking with tanya clements by the way tanya and keith wilson are
03:31:12.280
going to be on in the next hour with nat and the guy we're going to mexico nat and the guy will be
03:31:17.720
hosting from mexico we're kind of an international telethon here today but jenny and keith will be
03:31:23.320
on with matt and the guy they're not in mexico i have to tell you that but they've already raised
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over thirty thousand dollars today uh so it's been a great day all the other tpas are more than 10
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times what they would raise in a day but it's not enough we need to get more money in the bank
03:31:39.080
we're four hours in and this has been an incredible success but folks we really
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really need your support so if you can help out albertatelethon.com please help exactly i don't
03:31:50.920
know if my microphone is working because i can hear you but i can hear myself but i can hear you
03:31:54.840
okay perfect as long as you can hear me i can hear you because it went silent oh my goodness
03:32:00.760
it was amazing to have shiva gun read and kamara leach on our i yeah on our live stream right now
03:32:06.920
they're actually doing the doing the groundwork risking and that that's that's awesome and you
03:32:13.400
know they brought up a couple of important things and that's what scares me a lot right now in in
03:32:18.280
in canada what can has become is tamara leach getting you know getting criminal charges and
03:32:23.560
getting like what is that obstruction i believe it was there couple of arrests with no bailer
03:32:29.240
we actually have real criminals i was talking to edmonton police officer there the other day and
03:32:34.200
he was telling me about the case where and some nine-year-old girl was tossed into killed and
03:32:39.160
tossed into a you know hockey bag and there was like a ridiculously small charge for that guy
03:32:45.320
who did that wow this is crazy so for political speech they really go at you and then somebody
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has a homicide of you know underage it's like almost like what the hell is going what is going
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on it's scary the process is the punishment and that's what they're doing when i see tamir leach
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it makes me mad i remember watching the convoy you remember watching the convoy everybody
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who followed the convoy remembers when she got arrested i was so damn mad about that and then
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i see her now she's been charged with mischief and this has been going on for five years or
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something and then they're going to take her back to court and try to put her in jail for longer
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all because of her speech this is this is what you want to deal with where you live this won't
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happen in an independent alberta this isn't going to happen in an independent alberta
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people are going to have rights in an independent alberta and i think back to the time when they
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ran over an old woman i think she was in a walker with a horse so yeah i get mad when i see tamara
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late she's she's a diminutive woman she stands about four foot nothing and i stand beside her
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and she's got more guts than most of the people who run this run this government and it makes me
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so damn mad when i see her because she is a freedom fighter and so is sheila gun reid and
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thank them i want to thank them for being on and and this is what we're fighting for today we need
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as much money as we can get today for goodness sakes as i said in that little clip you just
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watched there's an unending amount of money that's going to be fighting against us billions of
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dollars all the political parties because they want to keep us here because we're their bank
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account it had enough and i want to leave and i could feel the momentum building and that's what
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today is about albertatelethon.com this is a fundraiser folks i'm glad you're enjoying the
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stream thank you so much if you contributed thank you but if you haven't and you can give or you
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know somebody who can or you can max it out and go to five thousand dollars for goodness sakes
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do it today and and and keep contributing as much as you can all the way through to october
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19. biggest thing that i i heard i believe i heard it from you today they've actually
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passed some legislation to censor the freedom of speech right now in in canada i think it's coming
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to power c9 is in effect today that's crazy three months to the day before we vote that's where we
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are right now yeah c9 i mean it's a religious speech is all going to but be gone here and and
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our freedoms of speech are slowly being stripped away a little by little and you know what happens
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in england is this is where we're going folks in england somebody knocks on your door and there's
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somebody standing there and they said you offended somebody on x we'd like you to come down to the
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police station yeah and you're not charged with a crime it's a i can't remember it's some orwellian
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phrase they use and i can't think of it right now but they take you down and they grill you and they
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tell you to behave yourself because you bothered somebody you know i'm a i'm a free speech absolutist
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as long as you're not threatening somebody you should be able to say whatever the hell you want
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in this country as far as i'm concerned that's the way i feel about it but yeah the free speech is
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being slowly stripped away bill by bill by bill by bill eventually they're just going to take take it
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away from you i mean george washington said if freedom of speech is taken away then death and
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dump shall be led like sheep to the slaughter and that's what's coming folks i think it's it's it's
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time to speak about it right now before it's too late because in some countries you know if you if
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you ask me why i'm speaking about it is because once you're not able to speak about and it's too
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late the only way to change something is probably to change the country it's right you know then it's
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it's too late and i don't want to be re-immigrating again first i move to a free country and then it's
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becoming the similar dictatorship what's going on in eastern europe and then you know getting out
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of here like no i'm not doing that so we have to keep on speaking up and for our freedoms and rights
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igor you've been talking to so many people through this as i have and you know i've gone
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out to so many wonderful places you know i was on at 11 o'clock this morning and um i said how
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wonderful it is for me to be able to meet the people of this movement i met you through this
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my friend and you know we've got a kinship here now everybody's got this kinship it's just
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remarkable and i go out you meet people they come up to you igor right you shake their hand and
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you're just as happy to see them as they are to see you this is this friendship this bond that
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we've got here we've got a bond of being friends we've got a bond of working towards the same goal
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and how great is it to work towards a goal with your friends and um it's just really remarkable
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and uh we can we can do this but we're going to need a lot more help and and and albertatelethon.com
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go there click on a link click on several if you can put all the information in there as much as
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you can all of it then you'll find then then the tpas the third-party advertisers won't have to
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track you down and make sure you do that specifically for paypal and e-transfers if
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you don't put all your information down elections in alberta might end up with your money yeah they
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can't help you the tpas can't help you at that point they'll just literally steal your donation
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so make sure you put all your information there and i'll tell you you know what happened in eastern
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europe there's a guy from russia that lives in the energy right now and he he was an influencer
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so to speak in back home in russia it's and he made a facebook post supporting ukraine and when
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when the when the entire situation happened there with the other you know military basically war
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with between ukraine russia he went and supported the plane there and they showed up to his house
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and they brought in the camera they came with the machine guns and everything but they didn't point
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at him but scared of his kids and everyone and they basically brought in the camera and they
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recorded that guy's face and saying well uh you should not ever do this again yeah so uh yeah
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so that's uh that was his final straw before he left russia and he yeah he took asylum in canada
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well you know yeah i've spoken to people who come up and said they've come from communist countries
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or oppressive countries and they came here through the freedom and it's slowly being
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stripped away they see what was happening there now happening here and that that's really sad
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yeah that's that's what happens when you cannot protest or anything then he went
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in st peterburg for a protest they dropped him throw him into a jail and jails were overfilled
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with the people who came to a protest so they took him out of the city and then they released
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him in a like by 4 a.m in a random location somewhere in the rural part of russia and he's
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like i don't even know where i am and what's going on and yeah because the jails in the city were
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overfilled with the people who were on that protest so they literally brought in buses just
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loaded people on the bus and started driving them jail to jail to find out which one is you know
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police department which one is available because everything was overfilled so that's kind of a
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thing when i meet eastern europeans i met some congressers i was going to play a video today
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on this live stream it was 40 minutes long 40 minutes i'll just publish it separately on my
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channel and honestly hey i'll tell i'll tell you what i wanted to show the entire video but i think
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i'll save it as a documentary it basically was starting where you were speaking there is dennis
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questions uh so they can ask them live on air so you can always uh send your questions right now
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to let's go alberta one at gmail.com so also do that as we continue our conversation with keith
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and tanya and i would say um maybe we'll get right into oh did you have a question you want
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to start with actually you can start you go ahead okay uh well first of all i do want to ask because
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of let alberta decide and it's amazing that we've already raised about 30 000 for let alberta decide
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but i wanted to ask what initially drew you to be an advocate for alberta independence and what has
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changed uh your perspective as it's gone forward so what what what caused me to get involved
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is that your question yes well um i think like many of us uh we've watched the trajectory of
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canada and we've watched in my view alberta outgrow canada uh i mean i didn't leave canada
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Canada left me. And I'm very concerned about the affordability crisis. I'm concerned about
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the erosion and, frankly, attacks by the federal government on our culture here in Alberta.
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And the biggest driver for me is looking out for the future of my children and grandchildren.
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And I've looked at this many times, very analytically over the years. And by every
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measure, by every objective measure, Albertans, my children and grandchildren will be better
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off in an independent Alberta. We can redefine our relationship with Canada, one that's one
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of respect instead of exploitation, where we can grow up into the shoes that we've earned
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to wear, which is to be a nation state as opposed to being a colony. So that's sort
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of my origin story i've been watching the decline of canada manifest itself most acutely since 2015.
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the views of people in central canada that will always elect our governments until alberta leaves
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are never going to align with ours and we're fooling ourselves if you think
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you can lead your way out of this we lead our way out of this by leaving
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and tanya what about you i think that when i'm talking to people in alberta lots of their
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hesitation to support alberta independence comes from either a place of fear because of the
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uncertainty or the unknown and they like to stay in the status quo because that has less fear in
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their minds or they have this like deep-seated patriotism to canada and this ideals that we
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were brought up with. And I think I was largely one of those people for a very long time, up until
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the recent federal election. I campaigned very hard for our local federal MP to try to be successful
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in that election. But at the same time, I was also doing some research and learning about our place
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within Canada and what Alberta sovereignty could mean within or without Canada. And while I was
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kind of on that journey, I quickly discovered that there has been generations and generations
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of people advocating for sovereignty within Canada
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in our children and our grandchildren's futures,
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then the path forward is to claim that sovereignty and pursue an independent Alberta.
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And with these two great motivations you have and this drive to see an independent Alberta,
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what made you jump to say, OK, let's actually create a TPA called Let Alberta Decide?
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Well, I'll take a first crack at that, Tanya, if that's OK.
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you know one of the things that I've been involved in grassroots initiatives over my career
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you know the most dramatic one I guess was the freedom convite protests in Ottawa
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in 2022 but others before that and grassroots movements are essential but grassroots movements
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also have a limitation and this particular initiative for Alberta independence the
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limitation we have is that we have tremendous support in rural Alberta but
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we haven't been able to get our message yet into the cities and so Tani and I
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recognized sort of a need a gap and we created let Alberta decide so not so
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much as to focus on those who've already concluded on their own that Alberta and
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and our children will be better off in independent Alberta but to focus on those in the cities who
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are not yet persuaded or just not engaged they're busy with their lives they're busy trying to afford
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groceries they're busy worrying about the needs of their children and or they are engaged but
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they haven't really had their mind open to the advantages so the whole focus of Let Alberta
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decide is to really target those voters in helping them understand why the smartest best
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most valuable thing they can do into on october 19th is to vote for option two
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in support of independence and i think it's also great that both keith yourself as a constitutional
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lawyer but also tanya as an educator and a farmer know the importance of knowledge and how important
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it is to actually explain things thoroughly and through and i do see that with uh let alberta
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decide and all the incredible job and work you've both been doing on educating the public because
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as tanya was mentioning i think a lot of that fear is coming from the unknown and then well
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what would happen and we continue to see all these questions raised also even within our own streams
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and sometimes it is hard to try to answer them but as we build and as we are able to continue to
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tell people well no this is what actually what an independent alberta would look like in your
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opinion what would an inter in 20 10 20 years what would an independent alberta look like then
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i think that an independent alberta would bring back that ability of self-determination and that
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sovereignty is as just human beings that we have the ability to chart our own path in life and we
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would not be dictated to by ottawa and their punitive policies on our industries and our
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families and our communities, the overtaxation that we suffer from currently, that we actually
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would be able to navigate a path forward based on Alberta values and the values of our communities
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and our families. And that's what should be happening. We're a very large nation with varying
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degrees of personalities and values and ways that we see things should be ran. And right now,
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things are being ran from a place that is very far removed from the values of Albertans.
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And we've seen Danielle Smith kind of throw around some numbers and then be interviewed
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and then kind of walk those numbers back about, oh, those were back of the napkin estimates
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I know you're working on these white papers and a lot of people are really excited about
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How are they going along and when are you expecting to kind of release them?
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So about three or four months ago, I started a separate group called the Alberta Transition
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And, you know, it's a group of really smart, experienced people who have achieved a lot in their life and are subject matter experts.
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And the focus of the white paper is on detailing what, if Albertans decide to exercise their constitutional right of self-determination and independence as laid out by the 1998 Supreme Court Canada succession reference case, then what happens next?
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And in particular, if Albertans do choose independence and resetting the relationship with the rest of Canada, how will life be different the day after the vote as the day before and the steps of Alberta transitioning from provincehood to nationhood?
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So that's what it's about. And to answer questions about continuity of service, whether it's someone may have a trip planned with WestJet to Cancun and want to know that after the vote that they're still going to Cancun and we'll be able to assure them that they are.
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um so that's what it's about and we're also going to look at the costing you know what's remarkable
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about those numbers that the premier threw out and i hope she regrets it i suspect she does
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because one of them was the debt now first of all the number is ridiculous that she used but just
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whatever the number is you know the analogy i like to use is imagine i had a spouse and i don't i do
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have a spouse but she doesn't have the problem i'm about to describe and those have met my wife
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don't want to know that that i'm just using a hypothetical which is imagine she had a terrible
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spending habit and she had this ability to go and get brand new credit cards every two weeks and max
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them out and i say to my buddy you know i got to bring this to an end i can't do this anymore and
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he goes you can't do that you'll have to pay off the bill right and it's like no i'm trying to stop
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the bill from getting bigger so that's one of the points first of all it's not even clear we're going
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owe the government any the Ottawa any money because we've sent over 300 billion dollars
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since equalization has been in force more to Ottawa than we got back so um and there's other
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issues about well if the money we sent to Ottawa in addition to the 300 billion helped by the new
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new buildings that the federal government built don't we own 12 of that building so there's a
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lot of adjusting that needs to be done and the most significant thing is when people are looking
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at the cost of transitioning to a province we need to look at the benefits of transitioning
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to a province because immediately right out of the gate we've got 25 billion dollars more
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that we're not that we're sending to ottawa that we're not getting back that we'll have
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and we'll also have ottawa's knee off of our neck of our economy where we can grow it to
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supply the world because we have the third largest reserve of oil in the world and any other country
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that has any comparable to us other than the dysfunction of venezuela has no income taxes
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has free education and so on they prosper economically we don't because ottawa holds us
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back i'm not worried about this math it's going to work out especially if you consider the benefits
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and also speaking of money let's not forget to continue to raise money today but because we
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are at a telethon and there is amazing tpas that are doing the hard work and are going to get us
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i think to independence and i really do hope so and it is a hopeful movement and which is why we
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decided to fully throw our backs behind it and support it because we we understand the value of
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freedom not to steal from dennis comma but uh which is why once again go to albertatelethon.com
03:57:05.960
and don't forget to do that but also i wanted to ask uh what does the money that has been raised
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indicate to you to both of you about the grassroots effort and support and the actual sentiment
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within alberta and albertans well the grassroots movement is strong and we have a very solid base
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and it's growing all the time i did a little bit of looking back into uh traditional telethons
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because i kind of grew up watching like the country 105 caring for kids radiothon that
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benefited the children's hospital and it said that since 2003 it raised 50 million dollars
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and that was by people donating 10 25 or 100 at a time and not thinking that their contribution was
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really going to make a huge difference but by having many people making small contributions
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together we've built hospitals we've funded research we've changed lives in many areas of
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our communities and absolutely those 10 25 or 100 can help us build a future alberta that we can be
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very proud of so i'm very excited that this telethon is happening that john bolton took the
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initiative to do this and everyone has joined in to do it i'm very grateful and and every
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contribution helps us achieve our goals and just on that note if i could you know i was on the
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ground in ottawa during the most successful fundraiser in canadian history which was the
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freedom convoy that raised over 24 million dollars in three weeks and what was so significant about
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that because i remember standing beside tamara leach on the ground in the war rooms there and
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she's going oh my god we just went up by another million and what it was it was an opportunity
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for canadians at that time to lay down a marker they couldn't be in ottawa they couldn't be on
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the side of a highway but they could show their support there's a lot of albertans who are feeling
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somewhat similar in the sense that um they're concerned about putting a lawn sign up some of
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them right they're concerned about showing their outward support because of the extremist uh
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approached by the stay in canada crew but sending a donation is a way they can put their marker down
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just like donors did in the freedom convoy and they can say i support this i'm showing people
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i support it and on that note i just got a note from our control room that uh let alberta decide
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today alone has just passed over 38 000 in donations thank you thank you thank you we are
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going to give you a return on that money like you could have never imagined we're going to win this
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and that's amazing because right before we were about to go on it was at 30 so that's amazing
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that everybody is uh and showing that support and that that care also for a cause that i guess many
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would call or many do call the critics and the skeptics uh fringe or an uphill battle but how
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would you respond to to that and especially given today what we're seeing well i wouldn't say that
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it's fringe anymore maybe at the beginning it seemed a little bit fringe and we had that large
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base that was very angry at the outcome of the federal election and quickly joined forces and
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came together to start to combat this but now we've kind of elevated that conversation and it's
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grown and i think that's what keith and i are very proud of doing with let alberta decide is
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we're creating that space for the conversation to continue to grow and to reach into that undecided
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category where we know that Albertans share a very common sentiment of being frustrated with
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Ottawa and their punitive treatment of Alberta but not necessarily everyone is ready to make that
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step to independence and then I'd also want to add that this first referendum to have a referendum
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is not a binding referendum so if you if you vote option one in that you're voting for the status
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quo. You're voting for nothing to change and for us to continue as per usual with the increasing
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overreach by our federal government and the increasing punitive treatment of Ottawa to
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Alberta. But option two gives a pathway for people that feel just disenfranchised with how Ottawa has
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been treating us. And what a vote for option two does is it empowers our provincial government
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with all the negotiation strength to be able to negotiate with Ottawa with that leverage and
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position of strength that we've never had in the past so if you want to pursue more sovereignty
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within or without Canada you have to vote option two I would implore you to vote that vote and then
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it will be up to us to convince you that no let's take it a step further and look at what the
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benefits are to Alberta standing on its own two feet and achieving independence well it seems like
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there's two opportunities here to really send Ottawa a message today with a raising a large
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amount of money to really push this thing over the finish line. And then on October 19th will
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be the second opportunity to really send Ottawa a message. And when we get to that binding
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referendum, I think there's going to be a big surprise of a lot of people that were pushed
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out of their own country, like us, like conservatives across Canada, wanting to move to Alberta to
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take a part of their country back and save Western values. Well, you know, on that point,
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if I could. You know, the rest of Canada needs some tough love. They've been living beyond
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the means. Alberta has been propping them up incredibly. I mean, which province has
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a growing economy in Canada right now versus how the rest of them are declining? Alberta.
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Which province has created the most amount of jobs? A report came out this week. 80,000
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jobs were created in Alberta. Meta just announced a $13 billion investment in an AI center.
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Other companies have announced over the past year record investments in Alberta. But Ottawa
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behaves recklessly. The prime minister every week announces billions and billions more
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going on to your credit card, your kids' credit card, your grandkids' credit card, and your
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great grandkids credit card. Corey Morgan was talking earlier today about the trillions and
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trillions in debt. That causes inflation. That causes workers who go to work and work really
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hard. And each week, each month, that paycheck, even though the number stays the same, it buys
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less and less and less. Their money becomes worth less over time. And nothing the federal
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government's doing is changing that and they're going deeper and deeper into this debt cycle
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and alberta has an opportunity to break free from that and start again and start from a foundation
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of our young entrepreneurial population that tanya talks about our resource economy we've got um you
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know we've got um we've got more agricultural highly productive agricultural land than most
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countries in the world you know we've got the third largest reserve of oil in the world we have
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a very high tech tech sector in our province we have an aviation and aerospace industry
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we've got everything going for us but for ottawa holding us back and pursuing ideological agendas
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at the expense of our children's future more and more albertans are waking up to that our goal what
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we're using these dollars for is um is is we're running a very sophisticated professional campaign
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some of which won't become manifest for some time because of its nature but uh we're covering every
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aspect of traditional campaigning and taking advantage of the latest technologies and tools
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and recognizing the fact that just about everybody is on these all day getting their information from
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this thing exactly and i also think you will you raise excellent points there but also previously
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you raised that people might be skeptical or scared to show support for example and i think
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that is in it within itself supporting something like alberta independence and being afraid to do
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so should tell us something about the state of uh well canada at least but alberta as well
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within inside alberta but albertans also have really strong values that we see every day the
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hard work the resilience the responsibility so how can those be leveraged to actually achieve
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independence sorry did you want to go keith or do you want me to go for it tanya well i think that
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we have to just realize that we're not uh some some group that doesn't have identity and that's
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what is often being labeled on us that we don't have common values or or something that's easily
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identifiable but Albertans absolutely do and we all want to pursue better for our communities
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our families we want to achieve prosperity we want to have increased sovereignty and
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self-determination over our own lives and I think to do that we have to get behind
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a process that is actually enabling us to do that and the conversation in the past has been very
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limited in how we can actually achieve that and now we're trying to bring that conversation to
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the forefront that it is normal to talk about Alberta's future and Alberta's path and what we
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want to achieve for Alberta. And we might disagree on some of the steps that we take on it, but we
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absolutely are united in the things that we want for Alberta. And that's why I think that this path
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to independence is actually a unifying concept. And some of the media or different characters might
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try to make you think otherwise of it, but it is unifying to pursue self-determination and
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prosperity for your family, your communities, and your province. So if we bring that conversation
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and make it more normal to talk about it and engage people in that conversation, I think that
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we can achieve that. And after October 19th, once we do send Ottawa a message and it's clear that
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Alberta does want its independence, what do you think is an acceptable or appropriate timeline
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for the binding referendum to take place in? I think a completely achievable timeline for the
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binding referendum is in February or March of 2027.
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I think that'll provide ample time for campaigning,
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about this strange ruling from Justice Davidson
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that we had about our petition launched by Stay Free Alberta.
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that prior to the Alberta government making a policy
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it's supposed to consult with First Nations.
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That just turns the whole concept of our democracy
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in any Supreme Court of Canada or other decision.
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ultimate form of consultation is giving every one of your first nation members the right to vote
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and they can exercise it by an x and choose where they put it but more to the point of your question
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i would say this we're either going to have a court ruling saying that the obstacle for
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the alberta government holding an up down vote on stay leave is resolved or if it's not it'll
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be open to the government of Alberta to hold its nose and consult and go and meet with each of the
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first nations and rent a town hall and say okay hey guys in February or March there's going to
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be a vote and each of you get to decide okay check mark so I don't I think we can get around
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the politics of the legalities because it really is a political stunt wrapped in the pretext of
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law this most recent decision from the court of king's bench and even if we don't have closure
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from the courts it's open for the alberta government to hold its nose do a consultation
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even though it doesn't think it's required to to clear the way for true democracy for them
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the most direct form of bureaucracy to allow Albertans to choose their future
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through an up-down vote on independence in February or March of 2027.
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And just quickly, as we wrap up, because we do have to be out by five, I have a quick question
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for both of you, but it might be a long answer. What gives you hope in Alberta right now? What
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specific thing gives you hope today, maybe? Go ahead, Tanya. What gives me hope, I guess,
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is that we are actually being asked the most important question in Alberta's history.
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And there have been, like I said before, decades and decades of efforts
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by thousands and thousands of people to lead us to this referendum
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And I hope that when Albertans go into that voting booth
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and they're about to check that ballot with their ex,
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they realize the significance of what they are doing.
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that Alberta doesn't need a handful of heroes right now,
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but what we do need is we need hundreds of thousands of Albertans
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with being informed and engaged in this whole process
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and making sure that they stand beside their decision.
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So knowing Albertans and knowing their grit and tenacity,
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I feel very confident that they will look into this
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and we'll mark that X on that ballot on referendum day with great conviction and we will be very
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successful in the outcome. And we usually have one last question and maybe I'll ask it to Keith
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and it's a question I hope a lot of people start asking themselves in Alberta because I think when
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they ask them that question that will lead them to independence and that is what does freedom mean
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to you? Well freedom means to me being able to wake up in the morning and choose what I can do
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And it's an honor to be able to speak to you as well
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because I think what Let Alberta Decide is doing
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and all the other amazing third-party advertisers are doing
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is incredibly important and again not just for maybe even people in alberta but to show
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also the world not just canada what is possible and what freedom does mean yeah absolutely and i
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will say um if you can afford to donate today um now is the time to really help push this thing
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over the line on october 19th as well as if people are maybe outside of the country and can't donate
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because it's only for people with inside of alberta there is a list of content creators from
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the unacceptable fringe and others we really need to build up our media presence not only
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for this october 19th but to go into the binding referendum as well and if i just add that i just
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got an update from our control room we just topped forty thousand dollars oh thank you everyone look
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at this momentum i think we're gonna win i know we're gonna win we have all of our stars are
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aligned uh we've got a legal pathway we have the resources of people and spirit we have the momentum
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in politics momentum is everything and we're going to keep that momentum building thanks to you
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and for now i guess i will continue to read hi i'm john bolton and we're here with angela tabak
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kathy flat let alberta decide which again 40 000 which is amazing pathway to independence the
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levine show alberta women for independence alberta's choice united alberta flags and
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stay free alberta and again you can always go right now to donate to albertatelethon.com
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and i believe we have coming up uh chris scott with dennis comma and again you were able are
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able i don't know if still but go to uh you can send an email with a question to let's go alberta
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one at gmail.com yeah absolutely and they are looking for more questions so if you have any
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questions the spicier the better i think they're going to answer them all so yes and i will say
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there are a lot of people outside of alberta that are supporting alberta independence as well
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they've felt like they were pushed outside of their own country and there was not
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anything like alberta independence going at the time so i know we have a lot of people watching
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from the philippines the united states mexico on a daily basis exactly i'm waiting to know if we're
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on or off but uh again it's amazing that also people have stayed on for the telethon as well
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and are watching it and are watching it again it's not just from alberta but i think a lot of people
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even within our own channel and and within people that talk to us are interested in what's going on
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in alberta because once again it does show how what grassroots movements can also do and what
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actual democracy can also do well absolutely it was kind of funny that um i don't know the
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government shut it off but the stream suddenly ended on the same day bill nine is coming into
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effect yeah uh thank god for elon musk and starlink i guess hopefully we were able to connect again
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hopefully they're not going to uh figure that's foreign interference there
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i'm waiting to run it off but uh as we continue i guess um
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um well we still have tanya on i can continue to ask questions um if you don't mind yeah continue
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to continue to ask until they just cut us off i guess yes i will then uh i wanted to ask uh for
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younger uh people that are looking towards alberta independence but are maybe also still skeptical or
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are unsure uh which way they should go or what it would mean for them in their future what would you
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tell younger skeptical people because i think we are missing a bit of the younger crowd as well
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or at least for them to show up well i think a lot of the younger crowd is actually more engaged than
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you realize but lots of activities we've done in the past have been town halls and that
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traditionally happens with an older age group because that is part of their culture right
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before telephones and cell phones like we used to have to go to our town hall to our local community
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hall to engage and find out the local news so lots of people attending those are an older crowd but
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the younger crowd is very engaged on social media and you can see that through politics
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and tick tock in different places they're engaged but i guess that they need to look forward to their
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futures and be very realistic with what their timelines are things and what the the monetary
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policies are going to look like and what that can allow them to afford i believe the average age
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in canada now is over 40 years old for being able to purchase your first home whereas 20 years ago
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that age was 24. so right there that's a huge deterrent from the path that canada is on when
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you take home your paycheck and you look at how much comes off with taxes when you look at your
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buying power for the money that you do take home and what it's able to purchase at the grocery
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store or the gas station because of all the hidden layers of taxation in there it's pretty disturbing
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and i i don't want that for my children and as keith has said too he doesn't want that for his
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children we want better for all the future generations of albertans so there's quite a
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few things that they can look at going forwards and maybe start to question huh is there a better
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pathway out of this and maybe we should engage in the conversation and and here are some of
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the merits of a sovereign alberta well and i will say uh on october 19th i hope young people really
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come out and realize realize this is an opportunity to send ottawa a message because i know when the
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binding referendum comes out that's one vote that changes the rest of your life so i think you're
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going to have a groundswell of young people come out from that binding referendum i really hope
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they realize now that october 19th is an opportunity to really send ottawa a message
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for the direction they're kind of going right now exactly do you have another question there yes
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uh and the way i always put it is uh trying to also incentivize younger people to say this is a
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literally historic moment where you get to be able to have your voice heard but
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then also once Alberta becomes independent being able to almost look
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at how to do governance and form governance and continue to be engaged
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which at least as a young person myself when I was living in Canada I didn't
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feel like I had that opportunity well this is a really easy thing for them to
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act on right like we're not calling on young people to join a political party
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we're not asking them to come to weekly meetings. We're asking them to vote once. Well, twice,
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I guess. The first vote in October and then the one that follows. And I was interviewed by a lot
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of the legacy media after the pipeline announcements and all the fanfare about the announcements of
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announcements, because that's all they are is announcements. They're nothing more than real
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things. They're not real things. I said to the reporter, I said, one of them, I said, so now
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with the announcement about the announcement of a pipeline is a 21-year-old's rent going to go down
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is a 21-year-old who goes to a grocery store and looks at a jar of pickles and goes someday I'm
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going to be able to afford that is that going to change when he looks at his or her paycheck
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and sees how hard they work and what the top number is and they see what the bottom number
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is is that going to change no none of those things are going to change so I don't think
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I think reality is real for all of us and what our job is to cause young people and people and I
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actually don't think that's the toughest demographic I think our toughest demographic
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is a couple in their late 30s mid 40s early 40s both have fairly good jobs and they got two kids
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in a house and two cars and their kids are from eight to 12 years old. That's going to be our
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toughest demographic to crack because they're going to go, oh, Mike's not so bad for me. Why
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should it change? So we're really focused on targeting them as well to help them understand
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the dark path Canada is on and the responsibility for their children and what opportunity could come
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to Alberta and their children and future grandchildren through supporting independence.
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and i think that's a perfect uh note to end on so thank you so much keith wilson and tanya
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clements once again would love to continue to talk to you for a longer time hopefully soon
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and just found that we work really well together and we have just stuck with the message of alberta
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independence for six years now six years together yeah it kind of works out nicely because we're in
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calgary right now it's kind of neat in the middle right that's right this is fantastic yeah obviously
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we've got your signs hold it up there people are i've got this out on front of my house right now
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i'm excited i've got now six signs uh other people have 12 i got to get up to 12 but you're doing
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signs and you're talking to people that's what you're doing so tell us a little bit about the
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talks right now because we know we love your sign shall i talk about that i'll talk about the talks
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sure so we're we for over a year now have just been doing home meetings with people
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helping predominantly women but then the guys love the conversation too so they join in understand
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why we need to be our own province and we thought well why fix what's not broke we're just going to
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continue on but now as a tpa so that's what we've done and it's actually exploded our calendars are
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filling up with people that want to have us over and so we're calling it politics on the patio
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because it's summertime and just have us over six seven eight nine ten thirty people it doesn't
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matter to us and we walk people through the history of how alberta became a province set
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some ground as to why our government structure sucks the way that it does. And then why we need
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to vote yes to all of these questions and yes to option two. Well, you know, the difficulty I think
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that's happened through this process, even through the petition process, is finding people sitting
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on the fence. Are you meeting up with some of those people, Angela? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And
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it really comes from, you know, people who are already there inviting their family and their
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friends to come. It's a very casual, open discussion. Nothing is being shoved down
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anyone's throats. And it's an opportunity to just kind of go back and forth with the ideas,
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some of the concerns that people might have. And it allows us to be able to address them in a way
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that is very non-confrontational. We're building community. Our whole focus has been education and
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building community. And so that's what we're continuing to do with the TPA. And it's working
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out really great we're in kind of a noisy room right now we're at the derek fildebrandt and
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duane bratt debate yeah and and for the most part it was a pretty friendly thing it's almost radical
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now to have a a friendly conversation but that's what you're trying to do isn't it exactly that's
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exactly what we're doing and it's working as angela said we we are not combative in these
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meetings we're not we're not putting anybody down we're not there's nothing like that at all
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But let's see what you have to say and how come.
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And if you would like to support Angela and Kathy on the telethon,
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Go to albertatelethon.com and click on their link.
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you talked about their children and the mess we're living in from the back row of the hall
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to the front row of the fight you said if they're gonna hear us it's gonna be tonight
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come on let's go so that's gonna be the battle cry for our movement let's go you came to sign
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this one's for you i feel like i'm with friends here yeah that's exactly correct that's what the
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whole thing with those all these events are for people understand that they're part of a group
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of like-minded people that think and have the same ambitions and goals as they have
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you stare down that lens in your studio light coffee gone cold face pale from the night
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Slow roll down from Edmonton, high beams cutting through
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Northbound up from Calgary, every small town waiting on you
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Truck stop, coffee cooling between petitions in the rain
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we're live i heard max say we're live does that mean we're live
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is that what's going on here yep what are we supposed to be doing i was actually just driving
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down uh a back street in calgary i was lost and i saw uh an alberta flag and i was like hey that
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seems kind of cool and i ended up in this seat yeah exactly who are you yeah i'm dennis calvin
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oh i'm chris scott nice to meet you hey i've heard your name before oh i've heard your name
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We're going to do an updated version pretty quick once you get the transition plan done.
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And I don't know if Keith talked about that earlier, but I'm a co-lead with him on building that transition plan.
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And once we get that pulled together, which is a bit of an effort, there's somewhere around 40 people engaged in it right now.
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We've got 20 subject areas to deal with, pulling it together, and hope to release it by the end of July.
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But that'll redo the transition elements in the value of freedom because we'll have more accurate numbers, more accurate processes, and so forth.
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so we can say okay transition will really cost us roughly this much that's awesome and then on the
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actually doing it part we're getting we have a bunch of subject matter experts guys who know
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their area like whether it be air traffic control or oil and gas or whatever that are actually
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saying okay this is how we would transition and they're speaking from position of knowledge so
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that's all coming in the next small number of months that's pretty cool so before we get more
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into that uh i should do an introduction and i'm sorry folks for the people that are watching my
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stream it seems as though there's always technical issues and the camera shows up that it's totally
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fine and when I try and put it on the stream it's not there so if you're watching my stream and you
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can't see me or you can't hear me head over to freedomcalendar.net or John Bolton's page I think
04:27:31.440
it's back up or I noticed our the young ladies Madison Macy Holmes they have it streaming on
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their YouTube as well. So you can find it elsewhere. So my name is Christopher Scott.
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I'm the owner of the Whistle Stop Cafe in Mira, Alberta. And I'm also, I just happened to
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accidentally find myself as the leader of another, I don't want to say freedom minded, although we
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are freedom minded, another organization that's dedicated to having conversations with Albertans.
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So the most important thing that I've realized over the last six years is that people aren't
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talking to each other and we're making decisions on our governance on legislation those types of
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things and we don't have all the facts right right most of the time and i i think it's most of the
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time people are making decisions and voting based on what somebody else said and they fail to
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actually dig into it and listen especially to the other side so let's talk alberta exists specifically
04:28:30.660
to facilitate the conversation between our conversation amongst Albertans about Alberta's
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future. And that's extremely important. It's critical right now because we're going to be
04:28:42.940
asked a question on self-determination, right? And it's not a constitutionally binding toothed
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question. It's a question that kind of opens the broader conversation, but it's a question
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nonetheless. Yes, indeed. And I believe that we have a responsibility to learn as much as we can.
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So when we go into that referendum, we make the best decision possible for Alberta.
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You just kind of popped up and then I saw the value of freedom and I never heard your name before.
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So I have been following politics my whole life.
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I've actually been seeing how Canada is failing for, I'm going to say, at least 15 years.
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And my personal plan was to say, okay, this country is not working.
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You can really eat an apple and speak at the same time.
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And then before literally it reached the Manitoba border, it was done.
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I saw Jeff Rath's posts and I thought, well, this guy seems interesting.
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So I pinged him and said, hey, you know, need any help?
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He and I got on the phone and he said, well, can you write a business plan?
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Well, heavens, I spent 47 years in business, probably written 100 of the wretched things of various sizes.
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Oh, by the way, would you help with the Constitution?
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and I bought a restaurant in July 2019 not the right time to be free of government interference
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restaurant and next thing you know I'm speaking at hundreds of town halls across Alberta on the
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topic of Alberta sovereignty so life has a an interesting way of you know throwing these
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curveballs at you and you know they say you know they disabled the best laid plans right
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so I never planned for any of this but here I am and what a privilege it is to be here and in the
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midst of this conversation. I can't think of a more important conversation. So I think the theme
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of this telethon is we're trying to raise awareness and raise support for the conversation
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around Alberta independence. Now, there are a number of third-party advertisers that the telethon
04:31:39.100
itself is supporting. As far as I know, I don't believe they're working together. This is something
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that John put on to try and get things public because that's what he does. So the goal here
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but if you haven't, there is a contribution limit.
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So you should be spreading it around as best you can.
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The Elections Finance Act has a carve-out in it
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that allows people to express themselves for political purpose.
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We're facilitating town halls, open conversation.
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Although, because I'm very vocal about my position,
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it's very rare that somebody that opposes me shows up but i wish they would because if you know we're
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going to be asked this question i want to make the best decision and if they can tell me why
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their position is better than mine i need to hear that yes because i want to make the best decision
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so i would love for the front row to be filled with people who oppose um oppose my position
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so what we're going to do and i'm not exactly sure how the logistics of this is going to work i guess
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we're going to have to rely on some of the folks in the back end.
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But I have a little bit of a contribution limit left
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And so that means I have $4,000 left that I can donate.
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What I'm going to do is during this portion of the telethon,
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I'm going to match that up to my contribution limit.
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$600 or something like that, but the top three.
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So folks, now's the time you're going to maximize the impact
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and the input to those people that you want to support
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And if you want to support the work Let's Talk Alberta is doing,
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As a matter of fact, we had a donor fund us with a nest egg
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which allows us to go and book town halls and do all sorts of things.
04:34:16.100
And people are going to see a rolling billboard within the next few weeks.
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And it's going to be a lot awesomer than the Forever Canadian Unity mobile.
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And it's going to be an absolutely fantastic expression of a I love Alberta.
04:34:42.560
So donate and donate often, but don't exceed your limits.
04:34:46.300
And if you're from outside of Alberta, don't donate to a TPA.
04:34:50.260
You're not allowed, but you can donate to Let's Talk Alberta and we will be good stewards of your donation and maximize its impact.
04:34:58.160
Now that that's out of the way, is there anything in particular you wanted to talk about, Dennis?
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Because all I really wanted to do is I wanted to come on and just answer questions.
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We've been doing that for months and I have fun doing it.
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So we can talk about whatever you want and then we'll do that.
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Well, there's a couple of things I wouldn't mind talking about.
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And first of all is I've been co-leading with Keith Wilson,
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And I want to make clear a couple of things about it is people think the
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transition plan is setting long-term policy for the country of Alberta and
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deciding how we will run things and how taxes will work and form a government
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All those things are in the hands of the future legislature.
04:35:41.980
Deciding how taxes are done, deciding what constitution we should use, deciding, you know, what kind of military do we need are all things to be done by the people of Alberta through their elected legislature once we are an independent country.
04:35:58.440
So all the transition plan is doing is covering that period of time from when we win the referendum until such time as that legislature is in place.
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Think of it more like scaffolding or temporary supports than a long-term plan.
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So all we're saying is, okay, how do you handle policing until the legislature can decide what the long-term policing model is?
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We have to, of course, defend the borders, protect the borders, at least keep track of who's in.
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We have to deal with how do we collect taxes in the interim.
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We have to deal with things like what do we do about a military, you know, to cover that period of time.
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I said a few minutes earlier that we're developing it with a bunch of people who know what they're talking about and is being pulled together as we speak.
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I'd say it's about 300 or 400 pages at this point.
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And we plan on releasing it roughly the end of July or as soon as close to that as we can possibly get.
04:36:58.540
And then people can answer the question that follows after the value of freedom.
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Value of freedom was, is the country of Alberta a fiscally, a financially viable place?
04:37:10.060
Second question is, okay, so we will be financially viable.
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How do we get from where we are now, a province embedded in Canada with a lot of services that are not being done by our own people,
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to the place where we are doing all those services and operating as an independent country recognized by the rest of the world
04:37:29.180
and be able to do things like, okay, we need a passport.
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How do I get an Alberta passport if we offer such things?
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And that's what we want to have ready by the end of July.
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I'm glad you brought that up because there is a lot of confusion around that.
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hey, you know, how come we're not involved in these conversations?
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And the answer to that is because we have no idea about any of those things.
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Like I have no idea how to transfer the logistics of operating an international airport
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I have no idea how to manage moving, you know, corporate tax liability from one structure into another and making sure all those things are smooth.
04:38:09.340
But there are a lot of experts that can do those things.
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And I will point out, and I don't know if this was included in some of your stuff, but this isn't much, this isn't new.
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There's a province that's been doing this for 60 years and that's Quebec.
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And they have a ton of research and information on these things.
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Well, every service we want to take over is currently operated by Canada.
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Now, they're not filled full of rocket scientists and brain surgeons.
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Yeah, well, it's hard to believe, but some of them actually maybe even don't reach that level.
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And what we're doing is just replicating them in the best possible way.
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So someone said to me, well, passports are so hard to produce.
04:38:55.380
their their fancy little booklet you know digital chips in them and so on and so forth so i got
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online did some searching turns out the government of nepal just signed a deal with a company in
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germany to produce passports for seven dollars a booklet oh you give them a picture address you
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know the relevant information which we have to do please have to check you send it to this company
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seven bucks later they give you a passport and turn around i guess is about a week or two so
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So we can literally do that for seven bucks a passport.
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Now, Government of Canada does it much more expensively,
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So there are ways you can optimize and streamline
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and that'll cover us till the legislature takes over.
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and we have some historical examples to look at.
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I mean, I was doing some Googling a few weeks back
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That's 38 new nations that have had to do all these things.
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Like this is just a, it's an administrative task.
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and you've got a bunch of people working on them.
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the problem is not usually that any task is rocket science.
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The problem is you just have so many tasks to track and try and get done
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in a short period of time in a coordinated fashion.
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And it's no fun sometimes, but you can get it done and it's pretty straightforward.
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And countries, I just was talking with John Bolton a minute ago,
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a question that came up on email was, how long will it take?
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I think there's no reason why our separation from Canada towards independence will take longer than a year.
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Well, I mean, there's lots of evidence to support that claim.
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It hasn't taken other countries, you know, decades to do it.
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Speaking of questions, if John's watching, you're going to have to come in and unlock your laptop because I didn't move the cursor around.
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um the second part of that you you mentioned that these things have to be done
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uh kind of before our legislature does its thing and outlines i want to point out kind of the the
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the flow so it's not like all of these things get done at once right no so we have a referendum
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and independence it's successful well now we begin negotiations with canada yes right the
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negotiations will inevitably fail i i would assume and there's a declaration of independence
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somewhere in there after that uh albertans get to decide what their future looks like yes and this
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is the opportunity that i that is gives me so much hope and is so uh amazing to me an opportunity
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that other people other countries have have like they've they've sacrificed millions of lives to
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get the opportunity to answer a question of self-determination and we're going to get that
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so we would get to decide through constitutional convention what our government's going to look
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like what our legislature is going to look like how our executives are going to work all of these
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things. And we can look to other countries, to other constitutions all around the world for the
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things that have worked well and the things that haven't. For example, the United States just
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celebrated their 250th anniversary. Greatest experiment in freedom the world has ever seen.
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Not perfect, but it's a great example, a great constitution to look at to say, hey, how did they
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maintain their freedom and how did they maintain, you know, their cohesiveness through that amount
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of time? Because a lot of countries don't. No. And I just came off a road trip that Jason
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Levine organized with Matt Rowley and with Bruce Pardee. And we went to Edmonton Red Deer in
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Calgary to answer questions and listen to people about what they thought about constitutions.
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And in that case, the three of us have different points of view. Matt Rowley's in favor of an
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improved Westminster system. Bruce Pardee is a very libertarian-minded guy. And I tend to be
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roughly in the middle with a republic much like the americans have so we discussed those we took
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a lot of input from people we answered a lot of questions and key to all of this and actually the
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number one paper on the on the transition plan is the development of the constitutional conference
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and that's been mapped out that paper is actually pretty well done and it's a process by which we
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can get multiple groups not just government not just lawyers not just you know a bunch of academics
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but a public, open forum made up of a wide representation of people
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to work through the process of picking our system of government.
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And from that, you actually then structure your elections,
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you structure your houses of government, the legislature,
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And like you said, there's nothing new under the sun in many ways.
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I think we can improve whatever model gets chosen.
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I think we make serious improvements over what's there.
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I've seen the weaknesses in the American system.
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They have some challenges that I think we can fix.
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And even when we went down the Westminster system, we know the holes.
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Bruce's system is a brand new to world approach, but it's got some
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really good thoughts in there and some real lessons to learn no matter what.
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We'll give it to the people of Alberta to decide ultimately.
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So the constitutional conference generates a document, but ultimately the
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people of the country of alberta will vote to accept the constitution and that's when it will
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become the law of the land so that's something that's that process is designed and that we'll
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be publishing it like i said roughly the end of july and that is the opportunity and the blessing
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right there absolutely this isn't nobody is saying things are going to be perfect you know i i've
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actually even stopped saying things will be better because i don't know if i what i what i do say is
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that for the first time in history albertans will get to decide yes albertans will decide the laws
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the governments the policy all of those things and they will reap the benefits or suffer the
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consequence right now it's a group of people thousands of kilometers away that make the rules
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largely and we kind of go along for the ride for better or for worse and i think there's a better
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way to do it i think the people who are affected by legislation should be the ones that that that
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choose their legislation and if it's not that way and if you can't influence the laws that
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govern you, I think that's a big problem. So I'm supposed to mention and I will mention
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this is a fundraiser and if you folks want to donate to any particular TPA, I'm not going to
04:45:41.300
tell you which ones to donate to, visit albertatelethon.com and you can click a link and
04:45:46.400
fill the appropriate information for whatever TPA you want to donate to and keep in mind that the
04:45:50.900
top three TPAs that you donate to right now, I will match those TPA donations up to my maximum
04:45:58.160
allowable contributions, which I believe is another, I think I can donate about another $1,600
04:46:02.260
for three more TPAs. So I'm happy to do that. And, you know, if you got a couple hundred
04:46:07.580
thousand dollars kicking around, you don't know what to do with it, Let's Talk Alberta can accept
04:46:10.940
anything from $1 up into the sky's the limit, Elon, if you're watching, and we'll be, like I
04:46:17.660
say we'll use your money very well the tpas um in alberta right now are subject to a number of
04:46:27.500
rules yes and the reason is that elections alberta wants to know who is paying to advertise for an
04:46:37.320
outcome of a referendum election whatever yes and the purpose of that is so that a giant corporation
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in wherever doesn't stick their billion dollars in and influence an election.
04:46:47.920
They want to know that it's coming from the people of Alberta
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So I think Elections Alberta has an important job to play in that
04:46:58.740
and it can be frustrating to navigate those rules.
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But I have noticed that some TPAs, particularly the one,
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doesn't seem to be really following those rules.
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Have you ever, have you heard anything about that?
04:47:19.160
Well, I've read the announcements made by Elections Alberta and they're cutting in my
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I've also listened to the Forever Canadian people a few times and, you know, as far as
04:47:32.060
I can tell, they're campaigning, you know, just like, for example, Keith Wilson's campaigning
04:47:37.340
for his point of view and, and I go fine, let them campaign.
04:47:40.940
but I am very unhappy with the idea that one side apparently gets free pass and one the other side
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gets a different one and that's something that that angers me so I think that I would ask
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Elections Alberta to look very carefully at what exactly is being done by all TPAs make sure it
04:48:01.640
fits in the rules so I do agree with the idea that elections should not be able to be bought
04:48:06.600
that that concept is solid but then make sure all the tpas on both sides of the question
04:48:12.620
are in fact playing by the rules living by the rules and meeting the requirements that you set
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out yourselves so if one side uh appears to be you know not quite following the rules as as they
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should be and the other side is under under quite a bit of scrutiny i would say folks if you you know
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if you have an opinion if you believe in one side of the conversation or the other support them
04:48:34.660
support them however you can donate as as much as you can as often as you can within your limits
04:48:40.320
and that's really the only way this is gonna this is gonna work the status quo um the current
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situation is the easy choice it's the safe choice because nobody really is going to uh you know put
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a cigarette butt in your cheek for saying hey we want to remain in canada but the uh the the risk
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to some for expressing their opinion for self-determination is uh it's it's quite it's
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quite visible well and things we see and you say it's a safe choice and i agree from the elections
04:49:08.320
alberta perspective it is but i ask people and i've been having this conversation for a while
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so is choosing to remain in canada really the safe choice well i would say no well i would say
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no as well but i ask people to walk through the thinking process of uh low investment levels in
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in Canada, low productivity levels, worst financial record of the G20, you know, all these rules and
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restrictions and net zeros coming at them, where will Canada be in 10 years time? Will it have any
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financial means left? Will it even come close to maximizing the use of the many gifts it has?
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And so when people say, well, it's safer in Canada, I go, no, it's not. It just not happened yet.
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leaving Canada is in fact, it's an event. We're going to have a vote. There's going to be a whole
04:50:01.460
bunch of upset and concerns and worries. Very emotional. I tell people after the hangovers
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wear off in a few days time, we'll wake up and say, okay, now what do we do? And that's why we're
04:50:13.240
building a transition plan. So some of that's already answered, but there will be, um, it's an,
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it's an event and um i think though once that happens cooler heads will prevail there's a school
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of thought and i understand it being valid they they think that canada will be very aggressive
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and very difficult to deal with i don't i actually i agree with you they won't because i think that
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canada will wake up with a huge hole in its financial economy they they already they have
04:50:44.460
this lump in the middle of their country that separates bc from them they are now beholden to
04:50:50.020
a third country and a foreign country third party to for their energy because they don't produce
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much themselves um they're going to have the americans breathing down their neck saying
04:50:59.200
play nice because we want to protect our oil supply i think canada will after the hangovers
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are over sit down and say okay let's talk we need some things you need some things let's work them
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out. Can you imagine after, you know, after Mark Carney publicly recognizes the sovereignty of
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Palestine and after Canada publicly acknowledged the sovereignty of Kosovo and other new and
04:51:25.640
emerging nations, can you imagine if they wouldn't recognize Alberta? I can't see that happening in
04:51:31.600
any reality. Well, and if they did, if they said we won't let Alberta go, I can imagine the world
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community saying wait a minute this is colonialism yeah this is not self-determination of your
04:51:45.740
citizens you are demanding that this area this group of people stay beholden to you keep throwing
04:51:52.940
you money year after year and that is nothing more than a colony and you know what we like
04:51:58.280
alberta because they are trying to be their own country i think it's going to go it won't be easy
04:52:02.700
it's like a divorce not like it's going to be you know all happiness and butterflies there will be
04:52:07.440
some pretty tough fights and some arguments about how do we handle parks and how do we handle
04:52:13.800
financial commitments and how do we manage the debt and all those kind of things, all of which
04:52:19.400
I think have good answers, but each of them will have to be worked through. And I've said it to
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more than one person, there's a couple of teams I'd love to be on that negotiating. Negotiation
04:52:28.220
is four. One is a pension. I'd love to be on that negotiating team because I think we will get a
04:52:35.340
very robust pension out of the cpp assets and i think it's more than doable so that's one team
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i'd like to be on but this is all workable it's all doable and i think it will happen
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regarding the pensions just real quick uh i have been in some of my in some of my uh media
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people have asked me well why does alberta pardon me why does alberta think that they deserve all
04:53:01.240
this pension fund and you look at the math and the math is it speaks plainly so it says you get
04:53:06.980
what you put in plus interest minus what you pick out exactly period it's easy my question would be
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well if we if we're uh entitled to 50 of the fund where's the rest of the money where did it go and
04:53:18.780
why is it not there yeah that should be the question people are asking not why does Alberta
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get it well and I mean I think it'd be a broader negotiation but you're quite right and that's why
04:53:26.980
the value of freedom, though, we said, okay, the real number is the 344 from the Lightworks report.
04:53:31.680
And as people say, yeah, but, but, but, but, you know, I said, even at half, if we just get half
04:53:38.200
of that number, I've done the math, I've done it recently, we can cover all of our pension
04:53:43.680
obligations, CPP, OIS, GIS, and so forth, within that 184 comfortably. It turns out our expenditures
04:53:52.600
every year for current payouts to pensioners is actually less than the net contributions
04:53:58.360
from people working. The rest of it is in the funds.
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Exactly. So you take that money, you invest it wisely, you cover all of your pension obligations
04:54:10.880
from that funding, and then you say, okay, that's now a stable pension fund, and it will grow.
04:54:17.020
I did a bit of the actuarial math to say, okay, run it out 20 years. You know what the rates we
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are now building inflation building aging population all those wonderful things it's
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still a perfectly viable fund for alberta yeah if it is for canada why wouldn't it be for alberta
04:54:32.200
why would it not be for alberta well i'm gonna get some questions here this one i i think is
04:54:36.280
really interesting um the question is from uh danielle and she asks what she says is her last
04:54:44.680
name smith by the way well she said not to use her last name so we'll let people stew on that
04:54:48.780
one she says uh hello i am not a separatist but i'm listening to the telethon in good faith to
04:54:54.140
better understand the situation the issue and the separatist perspective well thank you daniel for
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watching watching i appreciate that that shows you're responsible civically engaged citizen
04:55:03.900
my question is what provisions are there for religious organizations in a separate alberta
04:55:09.000
will there be continued provisions for charitable exemption in an alberta tax structure what about
04:55:15.280
immigration exemptions for religious leaders slash clergy via immigration to be able to come
04:55:20.680
to Alberta and minister? What about protections for religious-based schools? That's a, it's a,
04:55:27.260
it's a opportunity question. What, what do you want? That's the point. Yeah. We get to decide
04:55:31.880
in our, in our constitution. Well, and to answer the question directly, in all three approaches,
04:55:37.700
Dr. Partey's, Matt Rowley's, and mine, all of them have at their core, very strong personal
04:55:44.720
freedoms, things like freedom of belief, freedom of religion, freedom from religion as well,
04:55:49.860
if you don't want to believe. And that includes the ability to worship as you will, as long as
04:55:55.460
you don't hurt anybody else, of course. And that's all in the structure. And we will decide that.
04:56:01.160
In terms of immigration, whether it be for a pastor or a religious leader, I mean, that's
04:56:06.560
subject to immigration law, which again, we craft here in Alberta. And I think there always needs
04:56:12.060
to be exemptions for special people if we have a sports team we'll have the two best hockey clubs
04:56:17.420
in the world in our country so we probably want to bring in the odd player from finland or wherever
04:56:22.540
it's from and yeah there has to be some special carve outs for those kind of people but generally
04:56:26.920
it's managed immigration only immigration for the good of the nation is what happens not just bring
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in what we used to do yeah what we used to do i mean we actually went back in the valley of freedom
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It was 2003, which was held up roundly around the world
04:56:43.740
as being the best, most productive immigration system in the world.
04:56:51.060
You got points for certain attributes and subject to quota.
04:56:54.720
There's a limit on the number of people that could come in.
04:56:56.960
And so what you did is you made sure that people that came in
04:57:01.660
were going to fit culturally and language-wise,
04:57:35.320
racist well no no i believe in preserving the values that made the country the place that
04:57:39.560
people want to immigrate to period right and it doesn't matter what color you are where you come
04:57:42.940
from if you want to acknowledge freedom you want to be prosperous through hard work and opportunity
04:57:48.040
come here exactly build with us right yeah well and i talked to some folks from india my friend
04:57:55.600
prakash and uh anyway he he is grumpy and angry at the current state of immigration in canada
04:58:02.760
Because he came in in the early 2000s, went through the point system, brought capital, worked his ass off, set up a company, is successful, done very, very well.
04:58:13.120
And he's angry because why are we letting these people in with no requirements and no desire to build the country?
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And, you know, Prakash, I'm sorry, he's from India.
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Well, you know, I don't go out in the sun much.
04:58:31.060
you know i have a part of my part of the whistle stop is a convenience store and most of my
04:58:36.180
suppliers all but two i guess now are uh either from india or lebanon and i've had this conversation
04:58:43.260
about alberta independence with them and some of them they're not even they're not even citizens
04:58:46.720
they're just here on temporary prs yeah uh they're they're completely choked at what's going on yes
04:58:52.440
with immigration and they they're the common comment is if i could vote i would be voting
04:58:57.580
for independence because this is not, you know, we should, we should be protecting what we have
04:59:03.240
here. And well, and, and I said, my wife is mainland Chinese. And if you want to get a rise
04:59:08.880
out of her, just say, Hey, immigration's fine the way it is in Canada right now. She will go
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absolutely ballistic. I think I maybe will skip that one. Okay. Next question. This one's from
04:59:20.180
Dale. Dale says lots have been said about, and by the way, folks, um, these aren't, uh, screened
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and control over resources and the Constitution.
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It blows my mind. The Clarity Act is the legal pathway that Canada would prefer Alberta use or any province use to secede from Confederation. That's a preference. It is not a requirement. Under no circumstance in any time in history has a nation that has split from their parent nation been subject to do it only by the laws of the parent nation.
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The entire premise of an independent Alberta, for me, would be this in a nutshell.
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I completely reject the Canadian Constitution and the Canadian system of governance, and I want Albertans to create their own.
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That means that the Clarity Act, to me, is almost irrelevant.
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And as a matter of fact, it's irrelevant to Quebec as well.
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Quebec, when the Clarity Act came out, they passed a law that said they will never use it.
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because they live their sovereignty and they would never ask permission.
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However, you know, it is nice to believe that we could use this legal pathway
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to achieve our self-determination, but it may not work that way.
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But having said that, I mean, I am quite content to try and work within the rules.
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As long as everybody understands, this is not a,
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well, we're asking for permission, pretty, pretty please.
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We are going to leave if we win the referendum.
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We would like it to be civil and reasonable and based upon good conversation and good negotiation.
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But if the other party refuses to hold to that standard, we will pursue things unilaterally.
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The international community recognizes the right to self-determination.
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And it's, you know, internationally, not every nation agrees on everything, but that's one thing that most civilized nations agree on.
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What happens to the joint provincial federal pipelines and other deals that are being made in the MOU presented by Kearney?
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Well, this is assuming that those happen and they happened before, but let's just pretend that it happens tomorrow.
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Well, I mean, this is what negotiation is about.
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The feds are going to say, take the Trans Mountain Pipeline.
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We invested a ridiculous sum to do way too much money.
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But let's pretend it's $34 billion, I think it is.
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We're going to use that pipeline to ship our product to the sea.
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We owned part of it, so we get something back for that.
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Let's work out the deal that says, okay, you get to recover your part of the investment.
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It's just like when we ship stuff to the southern states right now through the American system, we pay tolls.
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And the other thing people forget is that a federal asset, Alberta owns 15% of federal assets as well.
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So it's not like we only own what's in our border.
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I go, well, I'm willing to exchange my 15% of the military bases, parks, and federal facilities in the rest of Canada for a 100% ownership of those equivalent facilities within the borders of Alberta.
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And by the way, my advice to Canada, take it fast because it's really in your favor.
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That's one of the things that, one of the trifold documents that we produce at Let's Talk Alberta was show me the other half of the ledger.
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And we forget, or people forget, to ask the other question on the other side,
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what about the assets that we own in other provinces?
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And this stuff all has to be considered, not just the one side.
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And you go, okay, but back to your other side of the ledger.
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What proportion of that debt incurred had benefits that accrued to Alberta?
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If you put all that money or a bunch of that money into stuff in Newfoundland
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without you being able to do anything about it,
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And considering that Alberta has contributed, you know, something like $600 billion before inflation adjustment to Confederation, I think we're starting off in a pretty good negotiating position, if you consider both sides of the ledger.
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Unfortunately, some don't, including our Premier.
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Our Premier went public and said, hey, it's going to cost us $400 billion, it's going to cost $60 billion a year.
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She talked about that one side of the ledger, not the other.
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And that's actually what motivated me to write that document.
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and she mixed all sorts of things up she mixed up initial capital cost with increased operating
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cost of the actual units and then the actual you know money dispersed as part of those programs
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and you know i like to think because i do like danielle i like to think if she could say that
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over again she'd say something different but now it's out there in the wild and i think it's a
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ridiculous statement well it worked out good because it motivated me to do something so i
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spent a couple days doing some research and producing a document and now it's uh in in red
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Deer alone, there's a group there, they distributed
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in the city of Red Deer and we've got them going all over Alberta.
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And when you do, remember that the top three of those TPAs, the top three amounts of donation for three of those, I'm going to match that dollar for dollar up to my remainder of my maximum allowable under the elections finance rule.
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There's quite a few questions in this one email.
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So let's try and get through them really quickly before we run out of time.
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how would an independent how would an independent or move towards independence defend itself from a
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canadian army that is now becoming a greater percentage of foreign nationals without canadian
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culture or tradition well let me put this we are going from the assumption that canada will follow
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the law they are not and they're not going to take military action against us neither the americans
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for that matter. First of all, play this scenario out. Let's say Canada was so foolish as to do
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such a thing. Do you think the Americans would stand by idly? Absolutely. I told them we have
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oil. Yeah, we've got their oil. Remember, they want to buy our oil and they want to have it
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protected because it's a big part of their supply. They are not going to let the Canadian army come
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in and try and impose a police state. So the option makes no sense. And so I think you have
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stand back and say no Canada will not invade they will not try and do such things and we're going to
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end up with just like the Czech uh separation it will be the velvet separation where I think we go
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probably with a few bruised feelings and so forth but generally in a peaceable fashion yeah uh one
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thing I like to do and we have to do when people ask me a question about what for instance military
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what if the Canadian military and how are you going to defend yourself I say how do we defend
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ourselves now yes as a canadian are you comfortable with our ability to defend ourselves i'm not no
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we rely on other nations to defend ourselves i have a friend whose son is uh he's on a submarine
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out of esquimalt in british columbia and that sub spent two years in dry dock yes two years they
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finally get it out to sea it lit on fire they brought it back had to do a bunch more repairs
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they brought it out to sea again something happened they had to tow it back and fix it like
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are if you want if you're concerned about your nation defending you you should be pursuing an
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independent alberta where you could actually have some input on what our military looks like yeah
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and how it functions right now we can't and alberta has not been able to do a darn thing about the
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systematic destruction of our military in this nation that was started by pierre elliot trudeau
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in the 70s yeah nothing we could do nothing about it well and pierre has done a bunch of bad things
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changing topics. Matt Rowley actually brought this to my attention. I never realized before
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that when Pierre Trudeau set up the charter and so forth, he actually changed the basis of
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government from Parliament supreme to the courts being supreme. And there's that one major change
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that has allowed the courts to change our laws, refuse laws, and block laws that the courts don't
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like. And those kinds of changes have permitted a lot of these things to happen, like the
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evisceration of our military and imposition of all sorts of crazy laws. So when we say we want
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a new constitution, it's not just, well, we want to have our own, that, but also to get rid of the
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wrongs that are plaguing Canada right now. Well, I see Max over there and he's doing something like
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this. I don't know what that means. Maybe it means he can't breathe or something. Maybe he's
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asked me if I needed water because I was choking well I think it's five minutes to six oh it's
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five minutes to six okay so I guess we're gonna have to wrap it up well I'm gonna I'm gonna leave
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you with this folks um I'll tell you what Alberta independence means to me it Alberta independence
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isn't some magical switch that we're gonna flip that makes everything okay it's not a switch
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that's gonna solve all of our problems what it is is it is the most amazing opportunity
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and potential blessing that we will see in our lifetimes.
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We are part of a movement that may result in people being able to self-determine
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And if you look at the way our elections work and things like that,
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Alberta has never truly been able to influence the laws under which it's governed.
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so when you when you consider how you're going to support this movement or what your place is in it
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just consider that consider what it means to be part of a group and part of a time where we get
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we get to do that and we get to do it without lifting a weapon we don't have to well I mean
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some people get beat up a little bit whatever but we don't have to go fight a war and it's right
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there in front of us so this is uh it's worth making small sacrifices of your time attending
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events talking to people trying to chip away at the stigma of of the independence conversation
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and also financially if if people aren't willing to open their wallets and financially support
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the independence movement it just won't happen no right that's that's the sad state of things so
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so please consider supporting um again it is albertatelethon.com there's some links there
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you can click on your favorite tpa i'm hoping that john can let me know uh what the top three
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were before i am on my way and then i will announce which ones they were and how much i'm
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going to donate so the more you donate now the more of uh my money you get to donate as well so
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perfect and yeah thank you very much dennis it was a fantastic finally meeting you and thank you for
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all your hard work for alberta thank you as well all right now what do we do i'm with tanya clemens
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Keith Wilson, Let Alberta Decide, and we're at the amazing Stampede Breakfast just the Sunday before the telethon.
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And congratulations. This was a remarkable event. I think you had 1,000 people out here today.
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Yeah, we sold out real fast and just shows the level of momentum and support in the movement.
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It's real. You know, you saw the cross-section of society who is here today of all backgrounds, all ethnicities,
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ethnicities, all, you know, places in life, and the support's real. It's growing. Albertans know
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that we can do better, and we're going to build on this to even take further campaign steps. We're
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going to be rolling out our large sign campaign to counter some of these larger red and white
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signs we're seeing, particularly in the Calgary area, and we're really excited about the turnout
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today. Jandy, I think it was about three weeks ago when you really kicked this thing off, and of
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course, there's some nervousness when that kind of thing happens. But how has it progressed for
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you so far? I mean, I'm seeing amazing momentum, as Keith said. Yeah, well, the support has been
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pretty incredible. As to date, we've raised approximately a quarter of a million dollars
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in our TPA. So that was one of the leading TPAs in Alberta history. The support that we have for
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people that come out and have conversations with us and send us information and chat with us is
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immense yeah you know keith i said when i was on stage thank you by the way for having me emcee
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this today it was just an honor to be here you know i said i'm here among friends and the other
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thing i noticed was there were a lot of other third-party advertisers who showed up today
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really it's really a team effort here even though you're doing your thing they're doing their thing
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it's just remarkable how everybody's working towards the school yeah like the the other
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third-party advertisers are spontaneous you know it was not a coordinated effort there's new ones
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forming all the time yeah you know i see uh you know like a veterans for freedom and albertans
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for freedom uh and many other groups and everybody's got a role uh we've got so many
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forces against us uh with the with the federal government having unlimited resources to try and
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scare albertans and use their fear campaign with other with the state forces are so well financed
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they they have the legacy media to rely on so this is grassroots but you know what we're trying to do
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tanya and i with uh let alberta decide is take a more sophisticated approach that that is really
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focused on persuading those who are not yet prepared to vote for independence and and build
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a new future outside of canada and a new new relationship with canada for alberta uh that's
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what we're focused on we're really going to be focusing on the cities as well because we have a
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lot of support as people know throughout rural alberta where our growth potential is is an
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imperative is in the cities it needs a different kind of messaging some different techniques and
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that's what we're implementing you know i heard uh i heard keith uh tanya earlier talking about
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these little people who sit on his shoulders one says why aren't you on the golf course keith and
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this one's telling i'm with tanya clemens keith wilson let alberta decide and we're at the
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amazing limited resources to try and scare albertans and you look at the importance of what
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it's going to mean to our children that's what really is driving all of us we've spent so many
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many generations trying to build Alberta up every generation and leave something better and more
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prosperous for the next generations and now we're at this point where that's not going to happen
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where our children are not going to be as better off as us it's not going to have as much opportunity
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and that's really disheartening we don't want that for them so this is our big chance to do it
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this is our big question that's going to be asked and Albertans need to really be engaged and think
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seriously about the outcome of this. Well congratulations on a great day I'm looking
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forward to the next three months it's going to be really exciting all the best to you and if you'd
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like to support let alberta decide albertatelethon.com click on the link you stood on those
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stone hi guys uh mike from the critical compass here we are live from the edmonton studio thank
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you for joining us it's been um a pretty amazing day so far um we've got uh we've got mr alberton
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uh or mr alberta he's uh he was uh hello stuck on the kiwi too on the way here so
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welcome sir yeah it's great to be here excited that we are now officially opening up the edmonton
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portion of the live stream which is of course the better portion at least the more the more
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northern one the more northern one edmonton the last great day we actually have something we uh
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oh you don't have it never mind all right it was a little peace offering to all the unfortunate
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calgary flames fans that are joining us but uh we'll maybe it'll join us we'll save it for later
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yeah yeah so for those of you don't know me i'm mr alberta i am a guy who's up here in edmonton
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blue collar worker who has a lot of fun making fun of the liberals and having a good time with
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that stuff i've been uh in alberta on one side of my family for over 100 years and the other side is
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immigrants so i have a little bit of a taste of both worlds and we're here doing a joint stream
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with uh critical mike critical mike yeah i'm uh i guess my maybe i'll say my background i mean like
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i'm a we looked this up one time the americans and the canadians say it differently if you're
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a first or second generation canadian or american in the u.s you'd be a first generation if your
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parents emigrated and then you were born you would be considered a first generation in canada some
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people say that the parents emigrating are first generation and then the children are second
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generation so i'm either a first or a second generation canadian so uh my my family comes
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from the middle east and from south america and so yeah i've uh until you know not too long ago
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was a very proud canadian and uh and i've you know unfortunately we've seen nothing but uh
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canadiana kind of die so it's uh i'm happy to identify as an albertan and uh yeah this is
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very cool so i'm glad that we have such cool guests with us today yeah maybe we'll maybe we'll
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zip it on over to uh mr wilkinson beside you yeah so here we have with us today first is uh john so
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tell us who are you absolutely thanks mr alberto thanks mike for having us on and what an amazing
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day so far with the telethon with the support coming in from across the province uh huge numbers
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and we've been seeing them as well so thank you first of all for the donations i am the lead
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and the primary contact with united alberta flags one of the registered tpas that's on the page and
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part of the telephone we thank you for your support so far today at all of the different
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activities and we thank you for helping us paint the province blue our team has been out in parades
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we have been out handing out flags little ones and i've got a couple here for you guys just for
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setting up all the work that it took just to get going and some alberta independent custom stickers
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that we had 10,000 printed these are going out all over the place but this
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isn't even what it's about this is about getting people ready to paint the
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province blue so that everybody remembers to vote for option two it's
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a nice little thing it works really well there might have been some thought behind
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it so yeah United Alberta flags we are actively involved in community events in
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helping get people not afraid to fly the Alberta flag anymore because of course
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as we have these discussions about independence we have people that have
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obviously made up their minds we've had other people that have obviously made up
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their minds against it and what we're actually trying to do is engage in the
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conversation with the hearts and the minds of the undecided voters in the
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province people are afraid what Canada has become isn't the Canada we grew up
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in that's true right I love Canada I've worked across the country I've traveled
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across the country I have family across the country but it's not what it once
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was and we're not just talking about equalization we're not just talking
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about the cost of living and the cost of food we're talking about values we're
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talking about orientation we're talking about integrity we're talking about a
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federal government that's off the rails and so as we do that that's what our
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goal is with RTPA today and the donations help it continue to grow that's
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what we're here for today we've got an announcement we'll wait a little bit here
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it's I know some of my followers some of our followers on our accounts have been
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Teased a little bit today that we've got really thrilled to be able to be here and be part of
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advancing a cause that's going to make a difference in our future generations, in our kids, in our
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grandkids, in what Alberta can be. People don't need to be afraid to fly the flag.
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Well said. Well said. I'd like to touch on a couple things you said actually, but first we want to
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introduce phil yeah yeah so phil uh gamash right uh i've been uh involved uh when right from it
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probably be um sometime in october right and got involved with the whole movement and uh so a little
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history behind me my family's been here since 1653 when was new france oh right we've seen a lot of
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changes over those times we had to make some rough decisions right and in those rough decisions you
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You know, some, you know, feelings will get hurt, loyalties will be bent, but the whole thing is you've got to come back to, okay, what's best for our family and our future?
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And I think that's what really struck a chord with me in this movement.
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And some people call me super volunteer, but there's a lot of super volunteers out there, right?
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but yeah so i'm proud to be about uh you know uh helping in this whole cause and very excited for
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our future and the education that you know behind it is what you know i think will make the difference
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absolutely awesome so having you here has been pretty cool and it's really funny for me because
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i remember last year up until like last summer yeah the albert independence movement was always
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fighting over the flags we come up with new flags then everyone argue about it no we can't have a
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north star in it no no blue people still hate the the st george's cross for some reason yeah there's
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lots of discussion on different pieces yeah but then at the end in last summer a crazy thing
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happened where some forever canadian guy i think his name is uh copland or something sean copland
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goes to a medicine hat safeway and freaks out at the manager because they had an alberta flag
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it displayed over Alberta beef and he went so far as to make the manager take it down and like what
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we didn't know is that as soon as he really upset about that ever since and you know that just
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recently happened as well I saw on social media last week up in the Edmonton market here where we
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are I believe it's just over on the west end there are retailers that are supporting the Alberta
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else, you buy something from Germany, they put a
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that somehow a certain segment of our population
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They are universal. Every Albertan, it doesn't matter.
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Ten years ago, it doesn't matter if you supported NDP or Conservatives, Alberta was your flag.
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It didn't matter if you lived on a reservation in a First Nations community up in Fort Chippewan
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or downtown Calgary, Alberta was your flag. You're Albertan,
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your flag is Alberta. It doesn't matter. And when we're talking about a jurisdictional
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issue like independence for the province of Alberta,
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there is only one flag, and that is the Alberta flag. It's the flag that you fly, that I fly,
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that everybody all around us flies there shouldn't be an issue at Safeway and
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there shouldn't be an issue in somebody's front yard it's funny how
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people it depends on the political winds of the day doesn't it it does how
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people view flags because I'm I don't know about you guys but I'm old enough
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was a symbol right yeah and now it's a symbol of a whole you know the it's
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unity again so isn't that funny how just in a matter of a few years the winds can blow it's
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only a subset of the community that uh that likes to play games with our symbols but they're also
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playing games with our futures and albertans right now i think not only are fed enough fed up
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but have also realized what those games are right right now we're talking about bc putting royalties
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on our pipelines on our oil well that's never happened before that's not a unified country
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You know, we chose the name as a third-party advertiser, and we are engaged in this campaign, and we chose United Alberta to directly contradict, not to contradict, but to come up against what at that time Danielle Smith and the Prime Minister and others were saying, well, we're going to have a strong Alberta in a united Canada.
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There's no such thing as a united Canada anymore, and there hasn't been a generation or more.
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So if you're going to play on the games here, I can tell you, I think, on October 19th,
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we'll have a united Alberta that's voting for option two.
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We're going to help make that possible by strengthening people's resolve,
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helping to educate them, and helping them to fall in love with their provincial symbols again.
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In the last two weeks, we've got out over 4,000 flags at different events of different sizes.
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Yesterday, we picked up another order of 5,000 flags that are coming up, and we've got the little parade flags that go on out.
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We've got these big ones, and I guess I'll throw it out now.
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We've been announced on Rebel News a couple of weeks ago that we want to do big ones, but here's part of the problem.
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We couldn't find a manufacturer for the flagpoles here without going to the States or going to Nova Scotia.
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now in a normal environment yeah we could look at those things but i really want to support local
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we met with and started the conversation and started the deal today with a manufacturer
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here in the province that's going to manufacture us 100 foot flagpoles that we're going to put up
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20 by 30 foot alberta flags on around the province your donations can help make a difference to fund
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these, up and down Highway 2, up and down Highway 1, and up and down Highway 3. They're not the
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same price category as these, so feel free to donate up to $5,000. We are tracking absolutely
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everything. You can go to unitedalbertaflags.com today. Right now, we can take e-transfer, we can
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take credit card. It's all set up and it's rolling. We've seen so far today that we've already brought
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in $5,000 or more, and we're greatly, greatly, we really appreciate it. We're so thankful for that
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because it helps make this possible and it helps strengthen Alberta all the way across.
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So five grand, how many Alberta flakes does that get?
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Well, we buy them in bulk, so it's not really a retail price right now.
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Depending on the size and depending on what we're using them for,
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the big ones here, these are going to be $2,500, $3,000 a piece.
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These we're getting for cheaper than probably most people want to know
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because there's other people that are still buying them for different events.
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So we make very good use of wholesalers and bulk agreements in the province to help make the biggest impact that we can so that we can distribute at an efficient level and make sure that we're getting out to all of the requests.
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When I came into town today, I stopped at a house and a volunteer.
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Somebody had asked for them here in Sherwood Park all across the province.
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We're traveling all over and distributing them.
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But, you know, really it's about changing people's hearts, too.
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one thing that i did before we got to the studio and i had a parade this morning i had flag drop
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off we had another meeting i had a 20 minute window and our truck needed an oil change i went
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to the local the jiffy jiffy lube real quick just going through while i was sorting things out on
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the phone three guys there two young guys and an old guy and they saw the truck come in with united
05:27:34.880
alberta flags on it first thing that happened somebody followed me off the highway because of
05:27:39.200
the logo and pulled in behind not for an oil change but they had seen the logo and they asked for a
05:27:43.280
flag. It was unbelievable. The guys were laughing. And then I had to be on the phone because I was
05:27:48.220
actually talking to James, starting some different things out. The guys do the oil change and they
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come up. They go, you're helping with independence, right? I said, yeah, absolutely. They just exploded
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with joy. We can't talk to anybody. I can't bring this up at home. I can't talk to my parents about
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it. Can I take something? I said, yeah, absolutely. Here, have flags, have stickers, handing them out.
05:28:09.660
they're thrilled to bits one of them is midlife same age as me he's working there can't get a
05:28:14.920
house we were talking about the economy and the taxes and what's happened to canada over the last
05:28:18.500
year breaks my heart to see what's happened to canada as a whole and albertans living within
05:28:24.820
that the cost of living that's going up the food that's going up all of these things that are going
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up we've got to push back against it we've got to recognize that it's not just an answer about
05:28:34.200
equalization it's about are you proud to be in albertan are you proud to fly the flag
05:28:38.780
right so what do we pay for the flags less than you will which means we can
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efficiently distribute them across the province in a way that can make a
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difference perfect yeah honestly I think anyone here who's gone to buy an
05:28:53.900
Alberta flag recently they've seen how expensive they become they're hard to
05:28:58.160
get I remember I was up in a white court there and I walked into their home
05:29:01.460
hardware and it was literally either a Canadian flag for 20 bucks or an
05:29:06.860
alberban flag for 54 bucks and that's just how crazy expensive it's become it's funny that you
05:29:12.800
mentioned that i posted up on social media on our on our x account i don't think it's on the
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facebook but on the x account we actually ran into an interesting spot about a month ago at
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the wetasquin canadian tire where the alberta flags were at 20 regular price and they were
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totally sold out and the canadian flags were on sale at nine dollars and the rack was full
05:29:33.720
So it depends on the community that you're going to.
05:29:36.080
People will pay more to stand up for truth and integrity
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Phil, what's your, in your experience as a volunteer,
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what's your read on how people are feeling about the Alberta flag?
05:29:55.300
The excitement, the energy that people came up,
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and they would ask questions and at the time we couldn't answer but you know we said you know you
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can find it online and look here look there right and so people were really excited about the fact
05:30:13.180
that we're finally going to see some change and we had some school girls come into I'll say his
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name into Harvey Jan's place right and he was the one holding the office where you could come sign
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and so these three girls come in from the high school right and you know they think they're just
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05:30:33.720
going to be there for me for five ten minutes so do we right they wound up spending an hour
05:30:37.580
with us because they were so excited they were like sponges learning exactly what you know
05:30:42.300
alberta had gone through uh what we you know how it was formed right how we are calling in a colony
05:30:48.620
right and they didn't understand what that meant and so we went on forever but that was just you
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know one experience and then uh other canvassers or sorry not yeah canvassers right basically going
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out getting the signatures they you know they come back with stories right one lady came up to
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this one fellow and he says you know i'm never going to sign right and i just want to know why
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you're here and so he explains his look i make uh i think i make what is it uh just under $800
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and i have to pay taxes on that right then my my old age security i get some more on it but not
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very much maybe four hundred dollars whatever it was right the way because the way he had set up but
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in the end he says you know what when alberta becomes its own independent country right we're
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going to have the money to increase you know if you're already in a pension you're already you're
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already going to be increasing your ways your uh old age security right so and so that being said
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right she said okay i'll sign so it was a real quick quick thing right and you know uh we then
05:31:50.620
we had some people that were really you know not friendly and we've got a lot of
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birds right but we quickly learned is everything's about attitude right and so
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when these people would flip us the bird or whatever we just smile and wave right
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because we know everybody has their own opinion and they have the right to that
05:32:06.280
opinion but the whole thing is we're here because we're bringing attention to
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what needs to be changed you know in this province right and being around
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people that are like-minded like it it just lifts your soul and it encourages
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you encourages you just to do more right and so I don't think I've ever been this
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dedicated to anything right and it's basically because I see a future for my
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not only my children but my my grandchildren right I want to see them
05:32:37.480
have that bright future and what really stands out to me is the excitement
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behind the likeness of the boston tea party and their independence because they had taxation
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without representation and that's what we have here taxation without representation
05:32:53.180
and i think it was uh mcdonald and laurier our premiers at the time our prime ministers at the
05:32:59.420
time laurier actually came out and said that alberta is canada's first colony right and so
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once you learn all this stuff you realize okay yeah maybe it's time we you
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know say I'm glad you have your views over there but our views are different
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and it's time to take care of ourselves right yeah and speaking about change
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change isn't only a means of adjusting and growing over time but it's also a
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synonym for money isn't it and we had to Alberta plug your site again yeah
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absolutely unitedalbertaflags.com yes and and on there we can take interact we can take visa
05:33:45.140
credit card mastercard whatever works for you honestly because at this point it's a matter of
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there are a lot of people that are volunteering there are a lot of people that are putting in
05:33:55.360
the time and the effort but it takes money to also make that happen it takes money to get the
05:33:59.860
signs for the lawn signs for jason's for cory for keith for tara for the different tpas that are
05:34:06.140
working takes money to get the flags out there we are all pouring our hearts and
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our souls into this because as you just said we're absolutely committed this is
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about not just us this is about the next generation this is about the future of
05:34:19.760
Albertans and honestly the future of Canadians too because I think it'll be a
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good thing for Canada we've gotten ourselves into a pretty awkward spot
05:34:26.840
where that's the spot but so for our third-party advertiser to help make a
05:34:31.040
difference yet unitedalbertaflags.com otherwise if you go to albertatelefon.com as well all of
05:34:37.840
the different tpas that are being supported there's a drop down menu they made a fantastic
05:34:42.000
little website over the last couple days we've been part of the behind the scenes conversations
05:34:45.640
and know how much work some of these people have put in it's remarkable so remember though when
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you do fill out on ours or any of the tpa sites or on the alberta telethon all of your personal
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information is required you have to be a resident of alberta uh we do know of some tpas that are
05:35:02.200
going out of province but the rest of us we love alberta and we love albertans so we're going to
05:35:06.760
stick with albertans and we're going to stick with the alberta law i'll leave that for others to
05:35:10.280
interpret and when you go to uh sorry to interrupt go to albertatelefon.com um and you see your list
05:35:16.840
i think there's six tpas on there um just as a little update if anyone's interested we've got
05:35:21.720
at the latest numbers uh keith wilson and um and tanya's um uh let alberta decide is uh
05:35:29.640
damn near fifty thousand dollars raised today um we've got the alberta independent uh the women's
05:35:35.320
network uh they've got uh nearly ten thousand raised and uh cory morgan's group has a little
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over eleven thousand raised like it's it's been a big day so far that's that's pretty awesome to see
05:35:46.440
yeah you know what guys i know like many of you some people are a little hesitant to donate
05:35:52.040
because you don't really see a lot of the impact from the donations that you make right away with
05:35:57.360
john's tpa here that flag that's going to be given to that family who wants to fly it in their front
05:36:02.260
yard or on their pole that's going to be there for years that's going to be there until the sun
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finally makes it wear out so if you want to see an impact that not only is something physical but
05:36:12.280
something right away that will last long after this is all said and done donate to john united
05:36:18.680
alberta flags thank you amazing yeah all right well i think we have a few more minutes before
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we got to kick you out here absolutely unfortunately john's got another appointment
05:36:29.240
so uh yeah fifth campaign stop of the day we were at a parade already we were at events handing out
05:36:35.000
flags we've been uh up and down uh and in fact i'll put a shout out as well uh my partner and
05:36:40.920
our chief financial officer were the ones that came up with the alberta independence float based
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on what happened in sundry they shut down the pro rodeo parade because somebody was trying to fly
05:36:50.360
the alberta flag it was just egregious and that's when we said no we're going to go all in and this
05:36:54.760
is the way we're going to go all in so we built the alberta independence float it's got an eight
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foot grain elevator a working oil jack animals and 20 foot flagpoles with alberta flags on it
05:37:04.520
and it gets its way around the province it's been to pinoka calgary edmonton all over the place
05:37:08.760
but she's taking it down to paul's pizza for later in the evening so we're dividing and
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conquering tonight so kimberly will be down there so look out for her uh same shirt because we stick
05:37:18.440
together throughout this entire challenging ordeal uh so she'll be down there with the alberta
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05:37:23.400
independence float and with some of our flags as well for the event wasn't there a city councilor
05:37:27.640
stealing your flags or something there was uh okay i wasn't sure if you guys would bring this
05:37:32.280
up or not not just was there there were two and our social media and our press releases cover off
05:37:40.320
the details and the facts of that there were denials then there was video evidence that came
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forward as well so forever canadian participants and representatives were stealing alberta flags
05:37:49.320
that were part of our campaign and registered third-party advertiser material at this point
05:37:53.860
the last update we did have a meeting with the detachment commander they reviewed the facts and
05:37:59.740
talked to us about it they looked at it and especially with the politicization of not just
05:38:03.820
elections rules being broken but with city councillors uh the local detachment has elevated
05:38:10.060
it it's now under investigation at the central alberta rcmp investigations division and so with
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that said i won't say anything more because it's obviously pretty deep right now yeah that's like
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what what a gift in disguise what a blessing in disguise no no i don't think i don't think it is
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and i'll tell you why i always i respect i've been involved in politics myself and i absolutely
05:38:32.660
respect other people having different opinions and we'd seen some of the banter that i thought
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was too far on both sides earlier in the campaign on that day on july 1st we were at the beginning
05:38:42.440
of the parade and we were ahead of them but at the beginning marshalling area the floats are
05:38:45.960
beside each other we set ours up and i said to my kids just stay here because there has been some
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i went over there with kimberly and we went over to say hello we went over to shake hands we went
05:38:56.820
over to take the high road and to be friendly and to show the community, our MLA was there,
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others were there, to show the community you can be an independent supporter and a Forever Canada
05:39:04.980
and still have a respectful conversation. So we took the high road to go and do that.
05:39:09.000
And we did do that. And people in the community were talking about it on social media.
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And we saw that. Look at the United Alberta flags and the
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independent supporters going and talking to Forever Canada. This can happen in communities.
05:39:21.100
We had three more stops that day. I was a speaker down at Mirror, spoke after
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phone calls back from the community. People were coming
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and saying we witnessed this, we witnessed this
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it's in process. We did talk to Elections Alberta
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unitedalbertaflags.com thank you for what you're doing sir um where can people find you on the
05:39:58.020
road next do you have a schedule for the next few days like do you know where you'll be uh there's
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so many things going on so yesterday we were with jason levine and red deer we were in rimby this
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morning we were at pigeon lake with tasquin leduc we are we've been down on calgary for the last
05:40:11.780
couple weeks we are going to try and focus on the capital region and edmonton over the next couple
05:40:16.560
days call on like days is going on there's all kinds of different events sometimes our schedule
05:40:20.720
changes dynamically and pretty quickly listen if you see a parade float coming down the road with
05:40:26.140
20 foot alberta flags on it and people handing out stickers handing out flags and we can take
05:40:30.960
donations and we can get you big flags for your house as well you're going to see us all over
05:40:35.000
the place follow us on social media follow us on x united underscore ab underscore flags and
05:40:41.980
on facebook you can find us as well and from our website you can make a donation and if i wanted
05:40:46.680
flag? How do I get a hold of you? You want to text me because I know you have my number. I've got
05:40:51.260
some in the truck right now. Absolutely. You can email us at unitedalbertaflags.com, but on our
05:40:59.060
website, there's a form to donate. There's also a form to get a free flag. So it's in there. It
05:41:03.780
comes right into our phone. We've got a database of them. We're hitting communities as quick as we
05:41:07.640
can. We dropped some off in Sherwood Park today in Leduc, in Wetaskiwin, at Pigeon Lake. There's
05:41:12.340
some going down to Calgary for somebody else to pick up and distribute as well.
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A referendum is one of the simplest and most direct expressions of the democratic will of the people.
05:41:30.180
Even the Supreme Court of Canada has been clear on this point, and this cannot be ignored.
05:41:40.740
But when change becomes necessary, we meet it responsibly.
05:41:48.860
We see it in our daily lives, in rising costs, declining services,
05:41:55.620
and growing distrust in institutions meant to serve the public.
05:42:00.380
Do you agree that the province of Alberta shall cease to be a part of Canada to become an independent state?
05:42:10.740
That question is directly out of the Clarity Act.
05:42:21.720
It means that we will become an independent country on our own.
05:42:31.600
Over 150 of your fellow Albertans got their canvassing badges, went through the canvassing
05:42:38.460
training and made sure that nobody had to stand out in the cold for more than five or ten minutes.
05:42:44.700
So if you're tired of being dismissed, of being told to comply without question,
05:42:51.020
tired of being silenced, this is your moment. I am inviting all of you to make your voices heard
05:42:59.420
clearly, confidently, and so that Ottawa hears it once and for all.
05:43:29.420
so that was awesome and just for the record we'd like to get everyone else's opinion right now
05:43:36.940
who has a better backdrop was it the calgary boys or was it us because you guys know who
05:43:42.560
got the better backdrop just super chat uh super chat unacceptable fringe and tell them that it's
05:43:47.920
us and he'll donate all your super chats to tpas so amazing wow what a gentleman exactly a scholar
05:43:54.520
So, we are very, very pleased to be joined by Miss Kathy Flett, friend of the channels, returning guest, hasn't gotten sick of us yet.
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And I can't even remember what your title is, actually, for the Women's Independence Network.
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Oh, well, the TPA is the Alberta Women for Earth Independence.
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I'm the CFO, so I want everybody to keep me as busy as possible.
05:44:26.060
I want to be going nonstop here for the next few days.
05:44:29.600
Well, it feels like you've been going nonstop for years, actually.
05:44:32.020
Maybe you can give our viewers a little bit of a background of your history within the movement.
05:44:38.420
Yeah, so I started about seven years ago in 2019 when the whole Wexit thing exploded and came on the stage.
05:44:45.820
And I was part of that, and that's where I got to meet Michael Wagner, who you guys are going to talk to after,
05:44:49.880
and made some other really great friends along the way.
05:44:51.680
and then that exploded as quick as it went up it came down and then through a series of events I
05:44:59.020
was with the Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta and that exploded and so then I sat down and went
05:45:04.620
well now what am I going to do and we were on right on the cusp of having a provincial election
05:45:11.200
in 2023 so I thought well what if I run as an independent candidate I'm not going to win but
05:45:17.460
I'll never learn anything quite this quickly any other way so I ran my friend Angela ran as well
05:45:24.580
she ran down in in Cardston where she lives and we worked our asses off and of course lost never
05:45:31.380
worked so hard to lose in all my life but I learned so much and what I learned by doing that is that
05:45:36.520
the independence movement was alive and well as I was door knocking that's what people were talking
05:45:40.700
about I went okay we've got to figure this out we've got to sort something out so after we slept
05:45:45.740
for about a week um we got back together and angela came to me and said you know what i have
05:45:50.480
an idea and i said that's frightening okay what is your idea because they're always really good
05:45:55.900
ideas when angela's talking and uh she says who's missing all the time in this in this movement like
05:46:02.340
every meeting that we go to who's missing and uh i said i don't know like i don't i don't know and
05:46:11.860
We are always outnumbered by the men, easy two to one, every single time.
05:46:18.100
The message is not getting through to the women in a way that they can understand it.
05:46:21.600
I think we need to reach out to the women.
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But anyways, long story short, we came up with a message specific for women.
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And we started doing home parties because a lot of the women, they didn't want to go to the rallies.
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The rallies are fun, but they didn't want to go to the rallies.
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And if you looked at who would come up to the mic, very few women would go to the mic.
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There are some exceptions to the norm, but they weren't the norm.
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And so we started having these home meetings all around the province, and then it worked.
05:46:55.380
And the message was so good, I guess, that the guys crashed our parties.
05:46:59.420
They kept wanting to come in and go, well, what are you guys talking about?
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Right, I guess, yeah, and the food, and the food.
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and and so then it went from there and then that message got out and the next
05:47:11.000
thing I know I'm I'm sharing the stage with all the folks with from HPP saying
05:47:15.620
well we want to hear what you're talking about so I put together a slideshow and
05:47:18.800
said all right so now I'm in front of hundreds of people and then it was
05:47:21.800
supposed to be stay free as well but then that went kind of crazy with the
05:47:24.500
whole signature thing because some rules we didn't know what they were and what
05:47:27.440
they weren't but it still continued and then let's talk said hey we want you to
05:47:31.100
come with us like okay let's go and so we just kept going and then we kept
05:47:34.820
doing these home meetings and then this happened and Angela and I had a decision to make because
05:47:41.340
we're simply just two women who won't shut up and if we chose to keep talking the way that we were
05:47:47.820
we could be kind of violating some boundaries as to what's allowed and what's not allowed as far
05:47:53.100
as advertising goes because we're also very opinionated in what we're saying so we decided
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you know what let's just jump in let's start our own tpa let's let everybody know the women are
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here we do make up 50% of the population despite what the progressive might like
05:48:06.900
to think otherwise and this is as important to us as it is to you guys and
05:48:11.840
we're just we're having way too much fun but it's good well we're thrilled to
05:48:16.160
have you here now who's who's this gentleman beside you well he's amazing
05:48:21.860
I'm here representing my son actually he's the one who's come up with a lot of this stuff
05:48:27.620
I've been just kind of you know helping him out in the background a lot of this
05:48:30.860
stuff and i have to say though you know and sorry to all the other people but your sign is one of
05:48:36.760
my favorites and i think we spoke about that yeah you did yeah um i like how you laid it out with
05:48:41.240
all the questions and everything on there and um that that's one of the things and also like i've
05:48:45.780
come to some of your uh handout locations and you guys are picking some very prime locations and
05:48:51.480
red in people's faces and everyone gets to see that and that's really wonderful thank you i really
05:48:56.460
really like what you guys are doing with that for sure and i've gotten to meet you a few times i
05:49:01.120
think here and there in passing maybe you know um you gave me a pin we gave you okay good
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that that's been my sense thing you know we've been trying to go around alberta
05:49:11.060
and just pin as many albertans as we can um and that that was our our initial our initial like
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You know, we tried to put Alberta flags in stores that support independence.
05:49:26.020
And now we're going to be moving towards putting buckets of pins in stores that support Alberta independence as well.
05:49:33.240
So if you're a store out there that supports Alberta independence, hit us up and we'll send you a bucket of pins.
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Unacceptable Fringe was the one who usually talked to us about us a lot and kind of got our name out there a bit.
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and we kind of just ran with it my son has been trying to uh start the youngest tpa in history
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which we were hoping to have set up by today but we've come a few across a few uh you know
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speed bumps i guess you could say and uh not surprising but it's okay i mean i'm happy he's
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coming across these speed bumps he needs to see that uh this is what we're trying to navigate
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and how old is he your son he's 18 right now so this is gonna be the youngest tpa in history
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So what does an 18-year-old think about Alberta independence?
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Three old men and a young woman at this table right now.
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You don't look like you have an 18-year-old son.
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or is this like does he are 18 year old boys like 18 year old young men i guess what do they have to
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say about independence so and again i really admire everything he's accomplished at this point
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and i see where he's going with it uh there's a lot of great people in this movement that are
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doing a lot of good work and some of that work he's not going to try to touch because it's already
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being done like you had keith today talking about some of the stuff he's doing you got jeff he's
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killing it in court for us so there's three main points that he's going to be trying to focus on
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on a youth program and initially it's going to be you know jobs and opportunities kids need to be
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able to you know have affordable schooling where they can get qualifications that they can use at
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home here and not take these qualifications and fly overseas where the money currently is
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unfortunately. I know his second thing that he wants to focus on is going to be an affordable
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future for these children. You know, building a legacy starts with a home. And if you can't afford
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a home for another 20 years, kids aren't going to be thinking about building families and leaving
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that legacy behind. That's very important for him. And I know that the third point, which should be
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the first point for him, is going to be one of his main topics, is the voices and engagement that the
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youth will have when it comes to this vote that's coming up in october so he's already kind of met
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a bit of hurdles with elections alberta and trying to register his tpa they said his name
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was too close to another name which it was based on opinion fact what we were told so
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you know she said keep your head up adapt overcome and continue to push forward um he's going to be
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kind of trying to stay away from town halls because like i said so many people are already
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mastering that so he's going to be trying to engage with the youth through things like you
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know he wants to put on a bike-a-thon where you know trying to keep them active canoe trips
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camping trips and really grow that movement so that come october 19th you have you know maybe
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hopefully a record set of youth that are engaging in our democratic democratic process that we're
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having right now so amazing while we're still trying to put a pin on every
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Albertan and I think it was a while ago I remember seeing on X when elections
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Alberta came out and said that Thomas Lukasik's forever Canadian essentially
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doesn't qualify as a TPA or doesn't isn't required to register as a TPA I
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remember your son was a little relieved at the time because he didn't have to
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register Alberta PIN initially as a TPA. Right, our understanding, his
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understanding is that as long as you're not talking about the vote on your
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website and stuff like that or what the options are then essentially you're not
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a TPA. It's when you start to touch that area and that's what he wants to try to
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achieve by registering the TPA is to be able to touch on these things you know
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and be a bit more so you can have both hats this way we can have both hats this
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way and then you know when October 19 is done then we're not done we can
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continue to exist and continue to be there as an auxiliary to freedom
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essentially you know while all the hard work continues to happen behind the
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scenes. Kathy what is your, I'm just switching gears from the youth maybe to
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women in Alberta, what are some of the main hurdles that you are having to
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overcome with women when you're talking about independence? Women tend to be very
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risk averse and this is in their minds pretty risky and it kind of is right we
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don't know what's on the other side of it and so the biggest hurdle is well
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what does this look like for my kids right my youth what does this look like
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for my kids what does this look like for my grandkids what am i what am i
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signing them up for and am i ready to do that does that make sense what does
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this mean for our schools what does this mean for health care all the social
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things that we tend to look after as women what does this mean for my
05:54:52.020
community? What does this mean for my church? And like, well, I don't know, it might mean that your
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pastor can actually preach because in Canada, that's becoming a thing of the past. And so those
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are the hurdles and helping them to get their heads wrapped around that, okay, we can do this.
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This is okay. And the other hurdle is that a lot of people think that we can't. For whatever reason
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that they've got in their heads, they think that we can't, that it's a brick wall. And so then we
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walk them through, well, this is actually how Canada became a country, and this is actually
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how Alberta became a province, and this is what the numbers look like now, when you look
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at the MPs and at the Senate, and so when you look at these numbers, what do you notice?
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Well, immediately you notice that the East has a hell of a lot more than we do, and then
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we explain to them why that is and why that can't change, and so if that can't change,
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then we're going to have to change, and how do you think we can do that? Because we can't
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fix this we want to we're women we like to fix everything we fix our hair we fix dinner we fix
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our husbands we fix everything and so once once we get them to that point like no you can't fix it
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honey you just can't so what's our next option how are we going to protect our babies and then
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boom it's like all right and then the mama bears come out and we're ready to rumble and speaking
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about change for anyone just tuning into the stream i made a really funny joke about half an
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hour ago change is it means so many things and it means also money and so of course we're here
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to raise some money today so let's do a little plug for albertatelefon.com i don't have any
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updated numbers but i can only imagine we've at least triple or quadrupled our intake since we've
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gone on yeah i mean calgary did a great job but like look at the studio here guys look at the
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Look at the general, look at the good-looking guests that we have on the show.
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For those of you who don't know, we literally set this up in eight hours.
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Yeah, albertatelethon.com, guys, six TPAs there.
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and also where people can view outside of Alberta Telethon?
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So Alberta Women for Independence is the full name.
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It's a long one, so go to albertatelethon.com and find us and click the link.
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So abwomenindependencenetwork.com is our website.
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And so everybody knows what your money will go to with us is lawn signs.
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We've got a bunch because people are asking for them.
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but I think we're the only ones covering all the questions.
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So we do, and in our presentations, we've tweaked it up a little bit
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that we talk about the first nine that the government put out,
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This is how convoluted and confusing and ridiculous they are.
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And this is why we think you should vote yes and then we go to question 10 the referendum on a referendum. So we go through all of that
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So yeah, you're gonna go towards lawn signs and we do a lot of travel
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I'm not saying the others don't they do we're still doing the home
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meetings and we're just calling it politics on the patio because it's 30,000 degrees outside and and
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Carbon tax was supposed to do something about that, but here we are
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are. Maybe we just need more. It's supposed to be a Super El Nino this year. I'm very disappointed
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Super El Nino. You've let me down. Get that carbon capture sorted out. But yeah so anyways it goes
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towards a lot of travel. Today I was in Red Deer this morning doing some stuff down there and next
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week we're traveling up north. We're going to be in Grand Prairie and Fairview and High Prairie
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before we come back down and so that's what your money is going towards. I put so many kilometers
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on my last vehicle i got a new one so now i'm ready to mile that one out too and i want everybody
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to keep us busy if you want to have that smaller meeting in your house there's no limit to the
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number of people we don't care because those five people that show up will go and tell five others
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we just want to keep the conversation going so let me keep putting miles on my car and let's
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let's get this done and when kathy has to get a new car she'll unfortunately have to get something
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from outside the province and if you are watching from outside the province and want to support
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Alberta independence you can't don't but you can buy from Alberta pins because they have got some
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amazing stuff going on so tell us a little bit more about which your merch you got right now
05:59:05.120
well Alberta pin has shipped and sold things all across Canada and even in the United States we
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get emails from you know all over Canada people telling us hey don't forget about us when you get
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your independence Alberta's independence is just the beginning you know and it's a milestone to
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what's to come next and you know we can we show off this flag yeah of course uh so i've said this
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on uh on on john's uh podcast on his youtube channel if you look at the original flag the
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river flows from west to east just like your money so we came up with this uh james came up
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with this new flag where you know if you're looking at the mountain the true depiction of
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the river flows towards you just like our resources should and the north stands free
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representing alberta because alberta is the north essentially you know uh we pay for everything so
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and and just just the golden black hoping to play on the home and away one day and
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hopefully maybe the oilers if you guys are watching
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and uh and that's it just like we try to make it in kind of almost corner the market for
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affordability when it comes to being able to show alberta pride you know and that was the main the
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main goal right um when independence happens that people are wearing our pin every year on
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independence day that that's our goal you know so honestly what i really want is that hat that's
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just awesome isn't it that's a beautiful hat yeah so and the jersey too the the jerseys are finally
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available now that this was like you know through special requests people see like we wear uniforms
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all the time we got hockey jerseys or something people saw us in those baseball jerseys and
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started like you need to make me one you need to make me one so uh we got together with uh
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unacceptable fringe and we were trying to work something out and so uh now you're gonna have
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the home in a way again like we're doing everything yeah and this is now available
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for everybody on albertapen.ca if you're looking watching um but the hat the hat that you speak of
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actually um it's it's the golden cap this hat is lined in with a golden interior and there's
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currently only 25 people who have this hat this hat is not for sale this hat is in recognition
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of people who are doing outstanding work like you guys are and we hope to continue to grow the golden
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cap momentum as much as we can keep up obviously it's it's just my son and myself doing this so
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but uh you are two people that we definitely had in mind for the golden cap and i wish i came a
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a little more prepared I that's cool I did my hair today anyway so I could I literally could
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that's exactly what I was gonna say you know we'd golden cap you but I don't think you want to like
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that's a nice flow right I wear the hat because there's not much under there so
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I'll hit you up when it starts going to go back on what you guys are talking about in elections
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Alberta and Thomas Lukasik and his TPA you know one of the questions my son asked when he called
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uh elections albertas like hey is it difficult to report they're like no absolutely not and we'll
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help you through it and as a matter of fact just to kind of give you a heads up if you don't report
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we're gonna fine you five hundred dollars a week so you know if you add up the amount of money
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that's already been spent uh with the kilometers that's been put on that bus with the signs that
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have been printed uh with the buttons that they're giving away the magnets that they're doing
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you know and you times with how many weeks are left over it'd be very easy for him to afford
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500 bucks a week to not be compliant and you know i'm not saying that that's what's happening
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but it's well it's interesting because i i remember hearing they am saying that thomas
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lukazic kept all the lists that he was supposed to destroy because the fine was only fifty thousand
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dollars and that's why they bumped it up to half a million dollars after that so for those of you
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might have been involved in uh forever canada your information might be in a private server somewhere
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being potentially being shared with others we're talking about someone who's extremely smart on
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paper yet at every uh injunction he says i didn't know i didn't know i didn't know what was going to
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lead to this i don't know it's going to lead to that so it's becoming a bit deceptive and
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convenient maybe you know we're navigating it feels like a corrupted system to leave a corrupted
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system and like you said we have to have fun with it we can have fun with it and just keep our heads
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up keep smiling like jeff smiling and we're gonna get to where we're gonna get to what do they say
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if you don't laugh you'll cry right yeah kathy what's your experience been with working with
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elections alberta to the extent that you have has it been has it been a pain has it been time
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off for a second elections alberta we love you and support you here and you can head to alberta
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telethon elections Alberta you're great we have no complaints at all and I can
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actually say that I can actually say that okay because when I was when I was
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also working with political parties like real registered political parties I got
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to know elections Alberta because I had inherited a bit of a mess that required
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some cleaning so I literally had them on speed dial okay and they were fantastic
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fantastic to deal with and this go-around I haven't had any trouble okay
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at all so i i think it i don't know what it depends on i don't i don't know what the deal is
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but it's been it's been really good for us and i think at the end of the day what i love the most
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about this movement is that regardless what the other side tries to throw at us this is the
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legitimate we're in it to get in it together right like we are all pulling the rope in the same
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direction we all know one another we're all friends we're all like go support whoever it
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doesn't matter like give everybody 20 bucks who cares or whatever however much don't don't go
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over the 5 000 though no but you're like just support everybody and that's why they can't beat
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us because we're united and it's again i go i hearken back i often talk about that game of
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whack-a-mole they can't take us all out there's too many and there's more popping up all the time
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so this is a good thing this is a really good thing and i want to circle back something you
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said about um being really good for for canada because others might follow right when i did a
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saskatchewan tour not very long ago and i did a little talking tour over there when i told them
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you know i'm not kidding when i say and i'm not even exaggerating when i say every meeting i go
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to inevitably somebody will ask is saskatchewan coming with us every time and there were tears
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in the room because it was like yeah man we're not leaving you behind if you want to don't don't
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make our mistakes just pick up where we are right now learn from us let us help you and let's go
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forward and that went that went a long long way for the folks that were over there so it could
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happen it could be a domino effect where okay Alberta goes Saskia goes Quebec goes like whatever
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and that will actually save the people and I think that's why we have to do this we do some walks in
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the parks on Saturday to touch on this every Saturday around two o'clock we just go kind of
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walk around the dog park with the dog and stuff like that and we meet people and talk to them
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and we met a lovely lady one time and she said to us you know if you get independence I'm out
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I'm moving away I'm going to Manitoba and me and my son were talking and I think the reality is
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you know if people were to move away from Alberta because they're unhappy with independence do you
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know how many people would be like well I'm fed up and I'm moving to Alberta or how do you feel
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right now where you're like man I'm done with this place I want to leave but you got nowhere to go
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Alberta is going to be the place to go yeah and so for whatever we lose we're going to gain
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that's happening now I learned I met someone today when I was at the Red Deer Farmers Market
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I met a couple who just moved here from BC because of this they said we can't vote in
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October because we didn't get here fast enough but we can vote in the next one we'll be here
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long enough for that and I was like great on do you want a long sign because you can still do that
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yeah it's fascinating because i think when czechoslovakia separated from two countries
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into or sorry one country to two they ended up having only about three percent of people move
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well if three percent of nd peers leave alberta that's going to be like about like you know maybe
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50 000 people ish give or take if three percent of canadians who are more conservative decide to
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to come to alberta that's going to be in the hundreds of thousands so there's definitely
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going to be way more people coming in than we'll ever leave and it's going to be the right people
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coming in the people who want the values that we have and i mean like if you want if you have
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liberal values like that's fine you can go live in a liberal country and that's your choice but
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alberta we want to choose to be free because we want to choose our own values we want to choose
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the values that have provided us prosperity up until this point and we know would provide us
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prosperity going well into the future. And if you are Albertan, reminder that only Albertans
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can go to albertatelethon.com and donate to one of our amazing TPAs. Keep in mind, please
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fill out the forms with as much detail as it asks, because as much as Elections Alberta has been
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maybe, you know, relatively pleasant to deal with for some people, you don't want your donation
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going to them you want to go into the tpa of your choice so fill the information out properly i
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believe it's um anything under fifty dollars doesn't need information correct if it's between
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fifty and five hundred or five thousand five thousand it needs the info it needs your info
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so yeah don't let's let's not you know give any money away unnecessarily um and uh i wanted to
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actually just make a quick comment too i learned this fact from adam uh from i can't remember his
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last name from army of good men yeah he was saying you know how uh liberal california is
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maybe you guys know this stat and california is nowhere near ever you know in recent you know
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history electing a republican um if you subtract alberta and saskatchewan from canada from our
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last federal election the rest of canada voted 64 percent liberal yeah left left leaning liberal or
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NDP. California only voted 57% Democrat. So the rest of Canada minus Alberta and Saskatchewan
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is many points higher than even California is liberal. Like that's so liberal. And like you
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said, I mean, fundamentally at a personal level, I got no problem with anyone. You know, I have
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liberal family members. We all have liberal family members that, you know, we love them.
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Maybe we think them as maybe a little gullible or naive or whatever.
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And it's our job, and God bless you for what you're doing in your work in the TPA
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and your work as well, in educating people on why we're not just a bunch of mean, redneck,
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Maybe it's even lower than a hillbilly, I guess.
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but uh you know we're we're actually quite nice people and we just want more prosperity for our
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family and our future right um how much time do we have before i can't recall do we have you till
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seven yeah as long as you want doesn't matter to me oh fantastic okay so we've got we've got to
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think five minutes before we do a switch um can you maybe give us like a five five four and a
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half minute um what is it what does the process look like if somebody contacts you and wants to
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do one of your uh a porch party before we do that i do have one thing i'd like to bring up with
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please please so oh no most people don't know but uh there's a facebook group called alberta
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independence that's true it's got about 120 000 members yeah and kathy and i are the ones who do
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all the work validating all those memberships we're admins on those teams and it's been an
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absolute roller coaster of an adventure it really has yeah yeah yeah i'm the one who's i'm a bit
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sticky if you haven't answered the questions i probably won't approve you because i don't have
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patience for them yeah but that's me i'm gonna sorry i gotta interrupt for one minute oh i'm
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gonna bring it right back to you okay we have a note yeah we have a note we have to mention on air
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um sheila from out of the alberta's choice tpa yeah ezra and tamara leach right now
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are at the gas city campground distributing signs until 8 p.m tonight nice get over there
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yep get over there gas city camera i don't know if we mentioned the party at paul's pizza
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yeah oh crap there's tons of people there apparently yeah angela's there yeah paul's
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pizza and airdrie yes head on over there that's where the party is we'll be switching to them at
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eight o'clock so you can be in the stream if you are there in time so so sorry continue yeah so
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we've been doing that now for over a year together we've had some moderators come and go yeah but
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honestly the people the the number of requests we get every day is anywhere from like 50 to 500.
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That's right. And we have to go and manually vet these people and you know maybe like one percent
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of them are like bots and stuff like that so we kick them out. But most people who are coming
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there are coming there and we get one of the questions is why are you interested in this
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movement? Right. And Pete the the the answers we get sometimes are so touching. People talking about
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you know wanting their future for their kids their grandkids being tired of ottawa's choices
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and stuff like that and so many people are coming and say hey i used to be a staunch uh and you know
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supporter of staying in canada but the what mark carney has done for the last six months
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has made me realize we're on the sinking ship yeah yeah how's it been for you same same and
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and i love the ones where it's my wife told me to good wife keep her um yeah it has been that
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it has been that there's been a lot of emotion in those answers that i wanted it to work it does
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it's not going to i see it now i just want to be around like-minded where i work i can't talk to
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anybody about this that kind of a thing and so they're coming now to this online community on
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facebook to participate in the conversation with others there's some who go down there and say i
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I haven't decided yet, but I want to find some answers.
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Let's see what we can, let's keep that conversation going.
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And honestly, we let anybody in who answers the questions is obviously from Canada,
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or especially if they're from Alberta, regardless of what side you're on.
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I mean, but when people come in, sometimes they'll just make it like,
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you guys are a bunch of idiot hillbillies, ditch billies, ditch billies.
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And that's the biggest thing is like we have such a variety of people
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who are supporting Alberta for various reasons.
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I remember one time we did a poll on there and we had said,
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what's your primary reason for wanting Alberta independence?
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And we put in taxation with our representation, equalization payments,
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the culture war with Ottawa, all these different reasons.
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That was the number one thing that most Albertans had an issue with.
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And you were only allowed to select one answer is one thing that we did.
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And he was surprised because he thought it would be the cultural stuff.
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Because for him, that's what is the biggest issue that he's currently facing.
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He wasn't expecting equalization to be the number one thing that bothers Albertans about the system.
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which to me is interesting because that's something that could be fixed by the federal
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government but they never will no well yeah and that's the symptom right equalization is a perfect
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symptom james had started a golden hotline on tiktok asking people to call in with their reasons
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and leave a voicemail on the voicemail that he had set up and one of the main reasons that he
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was getting was young people are saying i'm scared that they're going to offer my parents made
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you know and that that was one of the the for us one of the oh my god one of the leading exactly
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and some people that were leaving the messages were almost in tears when they were saying that
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stuff it was like something i hadn't even thought of like you know we're upset with maid but these
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young kids are scared that their parents are going to get offered maid and they're going to be too
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proud to you know try to leave their kids with with their disability or something like that right
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Mark, we're going to sub Mr. Wagner in shortly here.
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Do you want to do another plug for your son's future TPA?
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which we were told the name resembles too much of another TPA.
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The other TPA that it resembled too much was Stay Free Alberto.
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I will say that when I jumped on today to donate,
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leave your information if you still want to donate to them
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we're usually walking around with a yellow bucket.
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If you can't get to us and you want to have a pin,
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and pick yourself up some pins for yourself and your friends.
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Thank you guys for having us here, and good work.
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one of the third-party advertisers great to have you here now what i want to do right off the bat
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is i want to say you are the unlikeliest couple to have a third-party advertiser angela lives about
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as far south in alberta as you can get yeah in the waterton area and kathy's in edmonton how the heck
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did this happen please tell me oh we became friends when we were working in the uh wild
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girls independence party of alberta yeah number of years back yeah and just found that we work
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really well together and we have just stuck with the message of alberta independence for
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six years now six years together yeah it kind of works out nicely because we're in calgary right
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now you just kind of meet in the middle right that's right this is fantastic yeah obviously
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we've got your signs hold it up there people are i've got this out on front of my house right now
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i'm excited i've got now six signs uh other people have 12 i got to get up to 12 but you're doing
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signs and you're talking to people that's what you're doing so tell us a little bit about the
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the talks right now because we know we love your sign. Shall I talk about that? I'll talk about the
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talks. So we for over a year now have just been doing home meetings with people helping predominantly
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women but then the guys love the conversation too so they join in understand why we need to
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be our own province and we thought well why fix what's not broke we're just going to continue on
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but now as a TPA so that's what we've done and it's actually exploded our calendars are filling
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up with people that want to have us over and so we're calling it politics on the patio because
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it's summertime and just have us over six seven eight nine ten thirty people it doesn't matter to
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us and we walk people through the history of how alberta became a province set some ground as to
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why our government structure sucks the way that it does right right and uh and then why we need
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to vote yes to all of these questions and yes to option two well you know the difficulty i think
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that's happened through this process and even through the petition process is finding people
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sitting on the fence. Are you meeting up with some of those people, Angela? Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
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And it really comes from, you know, people who are already there inviting their family and their
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friends to come. It's a very casual, open discussion. Nothing is being shoved down
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anyone's throats. And it's an opportunity to just kind of go back and forth with the ideas,
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some of the concerns that people might have and it allows us to be able to address them in a way
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that is very non-confrontational we're building community our whole focus has been education
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and building community and so that's what we're continuing to do with the tpa and it's working
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out really great we're in kind of a noisy room right now we're at the derek fildebrandt and
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duane bratt debate yeah and and for the most part it was a pretty friendly thing it's almost
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radical now to have a friendly conversation but that's what you're trying to do isn't it exactly
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that's exactly what we're doing and it's working as Angela said we we're not combative in these
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meetings we're not we're not putting anybody down we're not there's nothing like that at all
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um it's just well what are your concerns and let's see if I have an answer and if I don't
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well then I don't but let's see what you have to say and how come well congratulations on your
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success uh your website tell people what it is it's very long okay go to the qr code go to the
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qr code it's abwomensindependencenetwork.com okay and if you would like to support angela and kathy
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on the telethon go to albertatelethon.com and click on their link hi i'm john bull
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great joke everyone yeah it's too bad no one will ever know what it was
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Welcome back to the Edmonton studio, guys. We are pleased to be joined by Mr. Michael Wagner.
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I've been calling him Professor Wagner all night. He doesn't appreciate that, but I think it's cool.
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Thanks for having me here. It's good to be here.
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Maybe you can give kind of a little bit of a background in your involvement in this movement.
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Well, actually, I originally got involved in the movement in about 1981.
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I was a teenager in high school in Calgary, and I was triggered by Pierre Trudeau's National Energy Program,
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So I joined the first major independence group at the time, which was called Westfed.
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And so the following year, an organization called the Western Canada Concept Party of Alberta
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And I was so excited by that, I joined that party.
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And then in November of 1982, there was a provincial election.
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And so I handed out pamphlets for that party at that time, my first political activity.
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But I was really engaged with that activity, with the independence idea.
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And I stayed a little bit involved with that party for the 1980s, but it folded at the end.
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And, of course, the Reform Party came along at the end of the 1980s
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and kind of absorbed all the independent sentiment for several years.
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So like most other people who had been involved,
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I was either involved with the Reform Party or doing other things.
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And I got reengaged in 2015 when Justin Trudeau was elected as prime minister.
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And so I've been kind of re-involved since that time.
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So I kind of have a long history to one degree or another with this movement
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because I've really believed in this idea for a long time.
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Would it be fair to say maybe from the early 90s through till the mid-2010s there,
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was there, even though it wasn't necessarily a name,
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was there still an underground sort of independent sentiment in the province, you would say?
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There was actually a very small party called the Separation Party of Alberta.
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And actually, around the year 2000, Corey Morgan created the Alberta Independence Party for a little while,
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So there were definitely people who believed in it still,
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just a bit of small minority of people because the reform party had been so successful at that time
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but the idea never died i mean the idea really the the independence movement really started when
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pierre trudeau became prime minister in the late 1960s that's when the i mean before that time
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you'll see the occasional letter to the editor or an opinion editorial in a newspaper floating the
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idea of independence but it never became a movement until pierre trudeau became prime minister and so
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and it was pierre trudeau who gave it credibility especially with the natural energy program that's
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when people really came on board with the idea for the first time in the early 1980s and so it
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hasn't died out since then like it dissipated a lot because the reform party was such a credible
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organization and the idea that they had of reforming canada so the west's voice could be heard in
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ottawa that's an idea that's a really good idea and it caught on with a lot of people and they
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did a lot of good work the reform party but in the end it shows that despite how much effort we
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can put in to try and reform canada we can't and so independence is our only option we have left
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yeah you know it's kind of funny i never thought i would be sitting here saying thank you pierre
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trudeau because if it wasn't for you we wouldn't be here right now that's true yeah so how has it
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been for you like with the ups and downs because i imagine there's been a lot of times where you
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almost had a little bit of false hope of things about going to go big as they are right now
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what was it like for you with all that up and down actually especially in those early years
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when i was a teenager i was really putting a lot of hope in that 1982 election because
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you know the western canada concept party had been growing very rapidly and that's actually why
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our Premier, Peter Lough, he called an early election because he saw the WCC was growing so
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quickly. He wanted to cut it off before it could organize properly. And so I was really looking
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forward to a lot of MLAs for the party getting elected in 1982. And when we didn't get any,
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I was really devastated, actually. I was very emotional about that. But I did, like I say,
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I stayed a little bit involved with the party. And during the 80s, you know, as long as Pierre
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Trudeau was in power, there was hope for the movement. And then when Brian Mulroney was elected
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1984, it looked like people were going to put their hope in Brian Mulroney, but he quickly
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stabbed us in the back with a CF-18 fighter jet contract that went to Montreal. And so it wasn't
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long before the movement was growing again and the WCC was growing again. And so, yeah, like, I mean,
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it never seemed close back in those days, if you know what I mean, but I was really dedicated to it
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and I was willing to stick with it. So, I mean, it was an idea that was, you know, kind of growing
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among a certain segment of the population. And then, like I say, with the Reform Party coming
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along, that looked like a very hopeful thing. It grew very quickly and it did very well. And
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And like I said, it was a very good idea, and a lot of people were engaged,
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So there was a lot of optimism that Canada could be fixed, right?
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And then, you know, they became the Canadian Alliance after it was a Reform Party
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So the emphasis on Western issues really dissipated toward the end of the 1990s,
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but it did look like the party could potentially gain power as the Conservative Party of Canada, which it did.
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And Stephen Harper had been a Reform Party Member of Parliament, right?
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Like, we thought he could do things for us, and he tried to the degree that he could.
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to a certain degree. I mean, any prime minister of Canada, regardless of their party, has to
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cater to Ontario and Quebec. That's the bottom line. And Stephen Harper had to do the same thing
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if he wanted to stay in, and he did. And so we didn't get the kind of things that we really needed
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here in Alberta from the federal government. And so again, it just goes to show that we cannot fix
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this country from here. We've got to become our own country if we want to be able to elect people
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who will do what's good for us and not what's good for Toronto and Montreal.
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The reality is Stephen Harper, even when he was here, he didn't exactly
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help us he just was he pulled the knife out of our back for a little while actually that's a good
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way of putting it i mean it's not it's not so much that the conservatives could do a lot of good stuff
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for us it's just they give us a reprieve from the punishment of the liberals you know the liberals
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are there to punish us and hurt us and when the conservatives in there they won't do that
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conservatives aren't going to hurt us but there's not much they can do for us they just give us
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breathing room until the next liberal government comes after us basically except that it was harper
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that changed the equalization formula yeah to include 50 of our resource revenues but exclude
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Quebec. That was the thing. For votes. Right. Exactly. Yeah. So he also stabbed us in the back in that sense. Like, I mean, he won his vote in Quebec. Smaller knife. Smaller knife. That's the thing. Like any, any federal leader who wants to be in power has to cater to Quebec. And the opportunity came up to change the equalization formula. And he needed seats in Quebec because that was the one province where he was weakest, right? So this was a way of gaining support in Quebec exactly. So he did something that was bad for Alberta for sure. Yeah. And speaking about change, I wanted to make another just quick reference
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to albertatelethon.com uh i have about four jokes that i just cycle constantly constantly try being
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my wife at home uh albertatelethon.com actually we just got a note uh that i thought was interesting
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maybe the panel would like to hear um mr john wilkinson who is on from alberta flags he uh he
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messaged us and said that he's actually since he's been on he's been getting a lot of uh 49
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donations which is sort of an an interesting note because you know how frightened people are about
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being having to give their information away about what they're donating like even even now you know
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we have we have a question on a referendum we have some social legitimacy because we have you
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know signs everywhere and flags everywhere still people are afraid to put their names down on a
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piece of paper to to engage in the democratic process what what does this say what does it say
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says we need out yeah it just it really does it says we need out um just a short story we had a
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donor who shall remain nameless but they used a middle name and then gave the 250 so under 250
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you're not on the on the public list but over 250 your name is immediately on the elections alberta's
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has donated over this much right so he gave that much and then his spouse gave the 750
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so that they could make it right up to the to the thousand dollar mark that's what they wanted to
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give but the spouse used a middle name as well so that it couldn't be tracked exactly to them right
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um it's really it's been quite fascinating even today when i was at in red deer at the farmers
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market you know i i don't know i want to put a sign out but my house is going to get egged if i
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do that i want to do this but this is going to happen i want to do that but that is going to
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happen and all i can think of is you know funny story none of this ever came from our side ever
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because it would have made the news yeah immediately and so yeah people are scared
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they're scared to put their names to something they're scared to put that sign out because of
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of repercussions. It's ironic though, because in my area that I live in, it's very, very left
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leaning, extremely left leaning. Not that all leftists are against Alberta independence. I know
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there's a lot of you who are for it. You just don't want to say it. Yeah. But the moment I put
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up an Alberta flag on my house, all of a sudden one of the neighbors down the street put up an
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Alberta flag on their house and another neighbor put up an Alberta flag on their house. And then
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I found out later that it actually helped build up our street credit with our neighbors because
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they're like okay we know you're not crazy like the forever Canadians are these days and so like
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all of a sudden they're we actually made more friends and I've never had my car get keyed I've
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never had my house get egged and I'm in the heart of the uh the crazy place yeah so yeah well that's
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the thing I mean even at our house the other day when I was in Two Hills um speaking with Chris
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Scott and his crew uh the dogs alerted my husband to somebody in the front yard in the front yard
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and I've got signs I've got the flag like you know it's my house right and we are also on a
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dead end street so it's not through traffic that comes by and so he looks out the window and he
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sees somebody lurking in the front and looking at the signs and looking at the flag and he's like
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ah here we go you know now I gotta get out there and blah blah blah anyway long story short the guy
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is also for independence and so this conversation strikes up on the street and he's like yeah I was
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just I don't know like a Facebook marketplace pickup or something like that and couldn't help
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but notice and so this great conversation takes place and my husband says well do you know who
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Kathy Flett is and he says yeah which always freaks me out like that should not be a thing
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that should not be a thing but he's like yeah of course I do and he says well these are her signs
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do you want one he's left with three because i happen to have some in the back of the truck i
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got them in the back of all the vehicles that we have so it's important to have these symbols out
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there because you just don't know you don't know what opportunity you're going to be able to open
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up for somebody else to be able to be brave and go yeah you know what i'm going to do the same
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thing michael in your experience working on these campaigns and and in being involved in this world
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in the 80s what do you notice differently from how people treat a separatist quote-unquote
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for in the 80s and 90s maybe compared to today do you notice much of a difference in how they're
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treated in the public or online not online back then but you know what I mean like there's always
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been a stigma like I mean it was less common then back in those days like it was a brand new idea
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back then like no one had really thought of it seriously until the 70s and the 80s so you were
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very much minority it was like and the word separatist course has stigma with
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it still of course so to just to identify with that word I mean some
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people today don't even want me to use that word still but but I've been using
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that word for decades so I still will so it was very much a stigma and like
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compared to right now like there's more independent supporters now than ever in
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Alberta so there's in certain communities that's there's no stigma I
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don't think at all like so in that sense it's more comfortable to be an
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independent supporter now except for in the sense like you're talking about
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people who don't want their names you know put it down and and what I want to
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about that is that shows how canada has changed like it was never like that the canada that i
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was born and raised in was not like that you wouldn't have to be afraid of putting your name
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on something but that just shows what the liberals have done to this country it just shows more why
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we need to get out how can we have freedom if people won't even put their names down for what
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they support you know what i mean like that's not freedom there's some kind of fear there that's been
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generated by the government the government has made people afraid to stand for what they believe
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and speak what they believe that's not a free country in my view and i think that's just one
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more argument why we need to become independent so we can have that freedom again that we had before
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it's it's it is a great argument because and it and it's such an important distinction to note
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that this is something that is very manufactured by by government by media working together because
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you know like we talk about you know we we see this in our neighborhoods like we if you have a
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like i have i was talking with uh our friend of the channel off screen about our our neighborhood
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how we have uh we're sort of outnumbered uh from alberta um lawn science to forever canadian lawn
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science but these are neighbors that we like and we get along with and you know there's no like
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you you run across them you get in the mail or on their mowing their lawn or whatever like this is
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not a what you see online is not um it's not representative of reality right and to make it
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seem that way is it's so so dark it's not nice it's not good and and to make it seem like it's a
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uh a much more personal and much more vitriolic sentiment like this is you know we have very
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reasonable arguments i think and i think if if more people were open to at least having a
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discussion about it rather than i think the trick that the that the government and the media likes
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to play is um they say that even if you engage in discussion about it you know you're you're giving
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it air or you're giving it but that's exactly how you think you know this is a very you think by
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talking and by discussing and by being challenged in your ideas and so it's it's ironic though
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because forever canada appears to be creating a culture of encouraging this of fomenting this
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kind of unity this kind of thing where you know you need to attack them or you need to like do
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all this stuff to a separatist come up with names and call them all that stuff but the reality is
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all that does is makes it so you guys start to look more and more like the crazy ones.
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So of course you're going to attract more crazy people to your side, but then over time,
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the more normal people are going to reject it. And so I kind of find it a little bit serving us
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that they're doing that, that Thomas Lukasik has never come out once to denounce any of the
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violence done against any of our Albert independent supporters. He's never come out once to even say,
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stop harassing or doing all this. He's always silent on that. And then in their private groups,
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I got booted out of one because I opened my mouth,
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but I've got alternative ways to stay in that one.
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But yeah, so I always found it really interesting.
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The other thing is they have no problem calling us names,
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she freaked out at the idea of being called an anti-separatist and had an absolute freak out
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about it and so i played for a couple like weeks there just saying okay i respect that you do not
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wish to be called that so how does maple nationalist sound or canadian confederate how does that sound
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well it's funny you say that actually because we uh on the show james and i i think james came up
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with this term but i'll take credit for it because he's not here um he's behind the camera maple
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syrup flavored nationalism uh-huh which is what a lot of this boils down to you know it's like
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there's people are nostalgic for a and you know what i i try to give them the benefit of the doubt
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that what they are forever canadians is nostalgic for a canada that they remember but that no longer
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exists that's what it is yeah maybe you guys can speak on that that's what it is well i can speak
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to that i can give you uh three stories in two the last two home meetings we've had the smaller
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meetings that we've had unbeknownst to me there were some people there who were not I wasn't
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preaching to the choir they came and when one came kicking and screaming is that fine if you will
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shut up and stop talking to me about this I will go and hear what Kathy has to say and then I don't
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want to hear a word about it right left going oh my gosh I had no idea I had no idea right
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and then the second meeting same thing happened not kicking and screaming but just really curious
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like what is it and you know it's going to be after eight o'clock is she actually going to
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grow six heads like what's gonna happen here because they told all sorts of things about us
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so there's there's that that happens um and then there's the everyday conversations
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that we have the opportunity to do to do this with and there was one that was about a month ago now
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and it was somebody that I know don't know very well somebody that I know and it came out the cat
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was out of the bag that I was a separatist and she was horrified by that and she said you know
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what my kids my whole family is all for this but I'm just not and so we had this back and forth
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conversation and she admitted like my kids and my grandkids are never going to buy a house I know
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that but I just can't give up this Canada and I my sovereignty and on and on and on I said
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so you admit that the Canada that you lived in and were successful in and had every opportunity to
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achieve everything every goal you ever set for yourself doesn't exist anymore and she said oh
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know i know that it doesn't i said then why would you vote for your next generations to stay in that
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and she went oh my gosh i never thought of it that way never thought of it that way right she
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was holding on to this nostalgia and it's those one-on-one conversations that's why like rallies
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are great they have their place but it's that one-on-one that's going to get this done i think
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a big thing as well is that alberta itself didn't really transition from that old canada until
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COVID yeah we were still living in old Canada when the rest of Canada had long since gone and
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departed I lived in Ontario for a few years in the early 2000 to our 2010s I mean and I could
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like it was hardcore shifting back then I came back home to Alberta I'm like oh good everything's
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still normal and then COVID hit and it's just it's been on fast forward trying to keep up now
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so we still have that remnant of Canada in Alberta and we're trying to preserve that and keep that
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because it's very hard to get it back once you give it away oh yeah and Michael you have some
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books here um maybe in and I'm sure you've talked about this in in one of your books but
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kind of chronicling the maybe the the shift as Alberta has maybe not shifted away from Canada
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but as how Canada has shifted away from Alberta maybe have you talk about how Alberta is a
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a throwback to what Canada used to be or or reminiscent of that in some way like can you
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speak to that a little bit from from what you've written yeah like not not
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quite exactly what you're saying but related to the previous discussion is in
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in this particular book here Alberta separatism and then now like I wrote
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this book it came out in 2009 so it's a history of the origins and the early
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years of the Alberta independence movement up until 2008 but one of the
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key people who I quote in here is Ted Byfield with Alberta report magazine and
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for those who are younger you might not remember Alberta report magazine but it
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went from 1973 to 2003 it was a very very influential magazine in Alberta and
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I mean, it was part of the effort to create the Reform Party.
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I mean, the influence of Alberta Report magazine was key
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But in here, I talk about, it was Ted Byfield who in 1980 already
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was writing about the difference between old Canada and new Canada
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because it was Pierre Trudeau who brought in the new Canada.
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Pierre Trudeau brought in a different constitution.
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Now, the constitution is the foundational document of a country.
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When you change the constitution, you change the country.
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So in 1982, Pietro was fundamentally changing Canada, and he knew it, and that's what he wanted to do.
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And Ted Byfield, to go into details about how Canada was different, like he grew up in, he was originally from Toronto, and he came out to Alberta, became an Alberta patriot.
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I mean, a lot of people from Alberta move here and become Alberta patriots.
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And like when he was growing up, we had a different flag, and that was changed by the Liberals in the 1960s.
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And actually, the change in the flag was representative of the kind of change they were introducing to the country in general, right?
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So anyway, in that book, I'm quoting from Ted Byfield how he talks about and describes the change from old Canada to new Canada.
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And he did not feel loyal to the new Canada that Pierre Trudeau was introducing to us.
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So that's part of what that book is about because in those early years, there was that cultural issue to the independence movement
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because people realized our country was changing fundamentally and they wanted to stick with the older Canada.
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And so there was a lot of even meetings I went to, I think there were like World War II veterans there, you know, who were for the Alberta side, you know, because they saw the country changing drastically, and they didn't like what they saw.
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So that book talks a bit about that, because those are some of the original emphases and themes of the independence movement back in those days.
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So then in the second book, No Other Options, Self-Determination for Alberta, I do talk a lot about how Ted Byfield talks about Alberta's cultural identity.
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Like, now, Alberta's identity isn't different from the rest of Canada the way Quebec's is.
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Like Quebec, they have a different language and a different history and stuff.
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So Alberta is not distinctive from Canada the way Quebec is,
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It has, like we had way more American immigration in those early years,
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which kind of set us apart from the rest of the country.
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And so Ted Byfield talked about those things, about Alberta's cultural identity.
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And that's an important part if we're going to become our own country.
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as that would be our cultural identity and our political identity.
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And so that's kind of one of the themes that's in there.
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But those are the kinds of things, though, like that Ted Byfield talked about
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that were so important for Albertans today to understand about how we're different
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and how we are more like the old Canada than the Canada and the rest of the country.
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But even in terms of our history, we don't exactly have the same history
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Like Alberta was not essentially set up initially by Canada.
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We were a completely different colony that had nothing to do with Canada.
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And it wasn't until finally the British Crown forced the sale of it to Canada that we even became a part of it.
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And then we were treated like a colony for the first 40 years, a colony of another country, essentially.
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So we were settled by a very different group of people.
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And even when we became part of Canada, for a long time, only the rejects were sent out here.
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If you were a dirty Eastern European, or like a lot of our ancestors were, you weren't allowed to settle in Upper Canada, in Ontario or Quebec.
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No, you had to go out to the prairies because, oh, yeah,
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And that's why, like, we've got a giant Easter egg in Bankerville.
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We have all the rejects that were sent out here.
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So we weren't even settled by the same people who were settled in Ontario.
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Honestly, when I look at our history, we are very different people than Ontarians.
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But when you look at modern-day Quebec and modern-day Ontario,
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although their history is different, their values have almost just become a French and English
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version of each other. A lot of their values have aligned so much that they're pretty much become
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a monoculture that just speaks to different languages. Actually, that's quite an interesting
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point because when you compare the settlement of the Canadian West with the American West,
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like generally the American West kind of was gradually moving west and people would come in,
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immigrants would come into eastern United States, become acculturated as Americans and then move
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west whereas like what you're discussing what is true what truly happened is after the prairies
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were attached to canada it was like there were very few people out here and they needed to bring
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in people to create an agricultural economy so at first there was obst there is opposition to
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bringing in eastern europeans like you mentioned because some of the you know the wasp people on
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ontario didn't want those kind of people eventually we've got an interior minister who went and
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advertised for people in eastern europe and they a whole flood of them suddenly came to the prairies
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and they didn't go through eastern Canada become like geographically they did on the train or
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whatever but they didn't stay there become Canadianized and then move out west they were
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plopped here as immigrants and they Canadianized in the west in a different experience from the
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people in central Canada so what you're talking about is true that our our experience as westerners
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here on the prairies the way we developed a Canadian identity was different from the historical
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experience of those in central Canada and like this is important to me like my paternal ancestors
06:44:45.220
came to the prairies in 1902 and so this is kind of like our and probably some of the others here
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I'm sure people in the audience yeah their ancestors came early in that time period to
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to the prairies and we're descendants of that we're the we're reaping the fruit of their efforts
06:44:58.660
to get us here you know but so exactly what you're saying was exactly true yeah and like a lot of it
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as well was just the strain of geography like the United States it was just like gradually like a
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guy would move in just a little further away than the last guy just a little further away
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us we had the Canadian shield exactly it literally divided us up and so it's no
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surprise that when you know they're looking at it they're like oh convenient
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we can just send them so far away that we don't even have to think about them
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and that's what happened and we just became a resource colony they sent so
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many people out here a lot of them did really well a lot of them died and they
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didn't care they just took in the money from all the agricultural sales that
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they got over time and sorry please go I was gonna add one more way in which we
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are different from the rest of Canada, is when you look at our provincial political history,
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we would form alternative political parties. So, you know, the original party was the Liberal
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Party, but in 1921, the United Farmers of Alberta became our government. United Farmers of Alberta
06:45:53.380
from 1921 to 1935. And in 1935, it's the Social Credit Party of Alberta up until 1971. Those are
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parties that weren't in other provinces, you know, in terms of forming government. I mean,
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eventually in BC, there was a Social Credit Party that kind of keyed off Alberta, but it was
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different in its own way. But Alberta was very distinct from the rest of the country in terms
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of our voting trends and federally as well we voted federally for the social credit party for
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many years and previous to that the progressive party of canada so when you look just at our
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voting history we can you can see how different we are from the other provinces honestly if it
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wasn't for stockwell day losing so bad i did i think we probably would still have our own parties
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i don't know because we never would have become a conservative stronghold otherwise
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yeah i don't know but everything you guys say is true i mean one of the the quotes that i give in
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every presentation that I do is the Sir Clifford Zipton quote right where every
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Canadian every patriotic Canadian is gonna want all the trade from the
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prairie to go to the east to enrich them that's the shortened version of it but
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that's why we were created was so that all of our bounty all the fruits of our
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labor could go to the east that that was the plan and here we are all these years
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later and it's no different but what's neat to me is despite that and people
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still came here and a hearty bunch of people right like you go way up north and it's very
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hardy nobody told them about the snakes in the south and the minus holy moly in the north right
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they just only just showed up and did what they could with what they what they had and when you
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dig into the history books the few that there are there's stories of the women being home alone
06:47:26.880
with the kids while the men went to go and work to try and support them and they didn't speak the
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same language as their neighbor but they would still go and have sunday dinner just so they were
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around people like that's what this province was built on and that's why when you go to any pick
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any small community pick anyone and what do you see first you see an old church you see an old
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church that's probably dilapidated now but that was the first building that was built the second
06:47:57.700
building that was built was the school because everybody appreciated how important education was
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and so then there was the church there was the school and if it was a bigger community
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the next thing they would build is a community hall and you go to all these little towns and
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there's community halls you go to the bigger centers there's the german community hall the
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ukrainian community hall the dutch community hall the exactly what you were talking about right
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all these people came together and they made it work that's what this province was built on and
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the three words that angela and i have been hanging on to in this campaign is family community
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sovereignty you cannot have the first two without the last one and that's what they eroded they
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purposely eroded the family which then eroded the community and now they're trying to take
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our sovereignty and we just can't stand for it that's not what this province was built on
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no it was not it was built on being a resource colony and speaking of resource colonies really
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you can view us today as your resource colony for albertatelethon.com where our purpose is to direct
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funds to our six great tpas you're good that was very smooth the king of the segue yeah that's great
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um i wish i had updated numbers for you but but if you're if you're tuning in earlier we were
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reporting that um keith wilson's tpa keith wilson and tanya yeah uh they they surely must be over
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50 000 now um the the women's network uh the women alberta women for independence network
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yeah i got that right close enough yeah perfect they're over 10 000 corey morgan's over 11 000
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um amazing work guys uh we we really really appreciate that you know this is what we're
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here for we need if we're going to talk about high-minded things like sovereignty
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and uh you know where our future is going and how we can uh you know build build something
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better than what we have currently for our children and our grandchildren the fact is that
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these things take money and the people on the other side of this debate right now have seemingly
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unlimited money they have government money in fact and they have different reporting structures and
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rules surrounding their money than we do so let's make sure to do this right remember that in order
06:50:11.020
to donate to any of the tpas you have to be an albertan citizen yeah uh you have to uh if you
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if you donate under 50 you don't need to provide information anywhere between 50 and 250 you need
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to give some information please fill out the information correctly so that you're not uh
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accidentally donating to elections alberta because they'll take those funds so i think it goes right
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to the government i think it goes right to general revenue yeah yeah um and you can donate up to
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five thousand dollars uh in in any one election cycle i think is the rule right in any one year
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or something like this yes um if you're wanting to donate in the thousands of dollars maybe double
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check that first um and if you live outside of alberta you can always buy one of michael wagner's
06:50:57.260
books and learn a little bit more about alberta independence and how it came to be this guy's a
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wealth of knowledge and his books are fantastic i've read two of them where can michael where
06:51:10.660
Well actually this particular one that Mr. Alberta held up is available on Amazon.ca
06:51:16.740
and all three of the books are available at a website called merchantship.ca like it's
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a home school supply online store but they carry my books as well and so they carry all
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I've got three books in Alberta independence so if you go to merchantship.ca and put my
06:51:29.660
name in my books on independence will come up and they're less expensive there than they
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Did I ever tell you our cool story about your books?
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So we had Angela hosted a home meeting and there was 20 women there.
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And the way that the host got these 20 women to show up was she said,
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you know what, it's been a long time since we've been in school.
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Perhaps we need a refresher social studies course.
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And so these 20 women showed up for charcuterie and tea and all the rest.
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And Angela brought out your books and gave them the social studies course that we do.
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that's great professor Wagner working even when he's not there that's how we work together there's
06:52:10.780
no competition here oh no competition yes before we run out of time yeah we I mentioned this earlier
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in the stream so we're going back to Paul's Pizza there in Airdrie so just north of Calgary well not
06:52:22.220
not right now but at the top of the hour um and we bring in the Edmonton location we were talking
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about like what can we and we wanted to maybe put a little bit of Edmontonia in this stream
06:52:38.140
So, you know, they talk about in this movement having a big tent.
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You know, we want to have people of all stripes.
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And so in the spirit of that, I just wanted to maybe put this on the table for everyone.
06:52:55.340
All you Calgary independent supporters, you are welcome, in fact,
06:53:01.640
to join us in supporting the edmonton oilers it is not a good time to be a calgary philliams fan
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we all know this your arena is garbage your team is almost as bad uh and so
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we want to invite you to be a fan instead of the edmonton is because we have the greatest player
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to ever play hockey playing for us currently i'll die on that hill um and uh and uh yeah so we you
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know we just wanted to just have this little this is a little gift for from us just a little visual
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gift for the next uh 20 minutes on the stream so thank you for reminding me yeah you can fit
06:53:39.480
in our big tent anytime anyway go flames so it's been great having michael wagner on the show
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i was in high school in calgary when the flames came from atlanta
06:53:51.720
well so it's it's deeply burned into my heart those those early years the flames did really
06:53:55.400
well those early years they did nostalgia right yeah i actually think technically even to this
06:54:01.800
day they still have a winning record against the oilers much to my chagrin i think that's
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and then may it may have adjusted in the last five ten years but um i'd have more respect if
06:54:11.080
they actually made it to the finals well hey you know well fun fact we do often get asked what's
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going to happen to our sports teams once we're our own nation right right well i mean that's
06:54:22.120
that's an interesting question little things like that come up all the time you know big concerns
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about like well you know my family lives in bc like am i going to be able to oh it's like i mean
06:54:31.160
yeah like if you have people have family in the u.s that go visit like we're different countries
06:54:35.320
in the nhl you know the nhl is made up of two different countries right now what would be the
06:54:40.300
difference of adding quote unquote a third you know they play official nhl games in um in europe
06:54:46.100
now you know they the nfl plays games in in europe and south america and like we're you know
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as much as we maybe hate to admit it like we're a fairly global world right now things can just
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happen that's one of our kind of rallying cries in the movie you know you can just do things you
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know like not only that but once our taxes drop that's what i was thinking we'll be able to keep
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some players here they won't be going down south well they don't have to give away their money
06:55:10.200
well people scratch their heads and wonder why like huh why does it seem like every you know
06:55:14.380
middle to high value canadian player they just always end up playing in florida what what could
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be the reason why could it be their tax structure i don't know could it be the beautiful weather
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we can only really accommodate one of those i think here that's right although it's been
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really hot this week so we'll have one week of beautiful weather yeah yeah it's been comparable
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to florida yeah yeah yeah it's been great what are some weird um maybe we can take the last you
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know 10 15 minutes here what are some questions that you guys get or concerns that you guys get
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a lot when you're talking to people about this movement that maybe we wouldn't think to ask like
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some some of a very personal concern that somebody might have if they were on the fence of well you
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know i understand the the value of being independent but x you know like what would be your what are
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some of the maybe more interesting things that you've heard that people have been concerned
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about well i think one of the issues that was addressed earlier was risk and for me that's the
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number one thing like becoming independent country is a risky venture like what we're doing is risky
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like let's just admit that but staying in canada is risky too that's my reply you know what i mean
06:56:16.860
even more risky riskier yeah well look what the liberals are doing to this country is this the
06:56:20.280
direction that you want to go with your future and your family's future I mean it's not like
06:56:24.500
liberals are doing you know just at one time one strange thing like this is they're incrementally
06:56:28.920
taking away our freedom and and crushing the Canada that we used to know they're doing that
06:56:32.700
incrementally so that people don't notice it as quickly but it's happening and as if we stay in
06:56:36.680
Canada we're going to continue to lose our freedoms and so the the risk of staying in Canada yeah
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there's a risk of leaving and there's a risk of staying so it's a matter of which risk are you
06:56:45.220
willing to take we know which direction we're going with canada you know becoming independent
06:56:49.120
it's a different risk but we risk becoming free we get more freedom that way so but i think risk is
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kind of the number one thing that people bring up for me is it yeah um the one that always surprises
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me because i just don't understand it is well am i gonna need a passport to go visit my family back
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east like i don't know it's up to canada it's up to canada yeah you know it might be i'm old enough
06:57:14.180
remember when all you needed to do was have driver's license to go down to the
06:57:17.360
US you didn't need all your paperwork and show that your dog had had their
06:57:21.360
regular shots and all that you know right you just didn't need all of you
06:57:24.800
didn't need a file folder across the border you needed one little card I
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don't see why we couldn't have that same type of relationship with the rest of
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Canada it's kind of interesting as well because for Alberta we've always needed
06:57:39.200
a flexible workforce yeah so we have no reason to deny people dual citizenship most likely
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alberta will keep the tradition of dual citizenship yeah for canada they're the ones who as a threat
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it sounds really good to say we're going to take away your canadian citizenship but in reality
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there's no mechanism to do that the only mechanism to lose your citizenship in canada is by committing
06:58:02.400
fraud when you apply that's it there's no other way for you to have your citizenship stripped
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You could commit actual treason and try to kill the king
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but we're not going to take your citizenship away.
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There's literally no way for you to lose that citizenship.
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And for Canada to put in a new law, because they totally can,
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that doesn't infringe on the constitution to strip our citizenships
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will be very difficult for them because under the Canadian constitution,
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we're going to allow dual citizenship in every other country
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except Alberta, because that's discriminating against their origin.
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Likewise as well, they can't put a discrimination against freedom of travel.
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Even though they did during COVID, they're not able to put in...
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But, you know, it's interesting with these kinds of arguments,
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is nobody's saying, look how great Alberta is in Canada.
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They're saying, well, this will be hard and this will be hard.
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Like, there's no positive image of Alberta staying within Canada.
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And to your point earlier, too, about, you know, what an indictment about what Canada has become
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is that we even have to worry about what sort of punitive measures Canada is likely to impose on us
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Like, aren't we supposed to be the polite ones?
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Aren't we supposed to be, like, you know, the kind and accommodating?
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like why wouldn't the discussion be you know you know how they maybe at least a little bit of how
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they treated quebec in the 80s and the 90s like oh sweetheart please don't you know you're my
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my canada includes quebec now it's you know you're idiot ditch billy traders and you know good riddance
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but you also you can't leave so yeah what's important about that too is like canada's
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constitutional law allows provinces to leave if they follow the proper process and that's what
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we're trying to do like this is the law like how can you be a traitor if you're following the law
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I've never heard a definition of traitor where if you obey the law, you become a traitor.
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Why are we being threatened for doing something that the country allows, that the law allows?
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We're doing nothing wrong, and yet they're making all these threats against us.
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Like I say, it just shows what a bad country Canada has become.
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The funny thing is they'll throw out the argument saying, oh, you're never going to get that constitutional amendment,
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which number one is a burn on themselves because they think they're so horrible that you'll never
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get the amendment but also keith wilson can correct me if i'm wrong on this and he will
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they can't do the constitutional amendment until after we leave because otherwise they're stripping
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canadians of their rights so we need to go have the negotiations we need to go form our own
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government we need to do everything cut ties become our own country then they can remove us
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but if they don't remove us then they technically have a foreign country that's completely
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autonomous and gone having voting rights in their leftover of canada so it's kind of a weird kind
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of flex that i'm trying to say hey uh we're not going to let you leave because we can't get a
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constitutional amendment even though pretty much you leave and then we amend it so there's no real
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threat there but they bury it well they loft it around like it's an actual like good point or
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something like that well you know James has brought this up on our show before where a lot
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of the times I think when people use the word traitor when they refer to us really what they're
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saying is something more like disloyal or something like I don't think they're trying to use the word
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in a legal sense it does have a legal meaning it's more of an emotional sense right because
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this is a very emotional topic for a lot of people and they view it as a um it's hard for
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some people to view it from a cold logical like listen these are why objectively this makes sense
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because they view it as an emotional like you know we're you know we're canadian you know it's nice
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and it's kind and igloos and whatever and maple syrup on a stick like yeah so it's i have some
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sympathy for that because it's a i get the patriotism aspect of it but it's just you got
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to use the right words um i got a small update by the way yes we've got about uh you know 12 13
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minutes here uh do you want to know what the women's independence network you guys are over
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12 000 now come on yes yeah yes thanks everybody um let alberta decide uh keith wilson and tanya
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um why can't i think of tanya's last name on clemens yes of course sorry tanya um you guys
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are over 50k nice yeah uh broken the mark and there's also a note that uh they wanted to let
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us know let you guys know for people who are going to Paul's Pizza tonight in Airdrie if you
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are maybe hesitant or you don't want to or don't have the ability to donate online they have
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donation bins there so you can donate cash they have six different jars I guess for the TPA so
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nice option to have nice cold hard cash yeah cash never runs out of batteries cash never runs out
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of batteries it's always um it's always going to get used for the good cause what I love too
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about all the different tpas i think i said it in the first segment is we all have kind of our lane
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like almost all of us have signs but we all each have something specific that we are talking about
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so it's not like oh well my money is going to go to six of the same things it is not right it's
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absolutely not it's going to go to six different things and and that just completely helps build
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up that message build up the movement and get all the message out there in a way that all the
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different people can hear it and understand it and so there's no bad
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dollar spent on anything I think that's a really good point because there are
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some people say well look there's so many groups it's divided no it's just
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the different groups appeal to different segments of the population like not
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everybody's the same not everybody's convinced by the same argument or you
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know or the same appeal or whatever so you need different groups that have
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different arguments and different appeals to different segments of the
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population yeah so the more TPAs there are the better because they can reach
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more people yeah not only that but it's been fascinating just watching like how
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everything changed over the last two years like before it was alberta prosperity project they
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were the ones leading the charge they're rallying everybody and then it became state free alberta
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and that's when things took off because we had one job to get the signatures and that's it just
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go get the signatures done and then once it was done it went from one job to literally like 30 40
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different kinds of jobs we have to do alberta prosperity projects focusing on the political
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angle because we're going to need that we're going to need to be able to pressure our government
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and then all these other different tpas have popped up to be able to focus on different things like
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we just had john for those who just turned in who's literally his entire tpa is getting alberta
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flags across the country or the province and stickers yeah and the tpas are really important
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and that's one thing i want to emphasize really quick the reason why we have tpas is so that way
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it's albertans talking to albertans in this campaign it's very critical despite what forever
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canadian and other groups might be doing we are able to look and say this is just an albertan
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movement with albertans with albertan money and we like it that way it's perfect and we're happy
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to continue doing that eventually the referendum is going to be over and things are going to move
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into the next phase but right now that's the reason why these tpas are so important and that's
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why we ask you to donate to as many as you can as much as you can afford don't because this is for
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our future but that being said putting food on your table is also very important and something
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if i can jump in please um for the tpas to remember so it stands for third party advertiser
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in this case it's for the referendum um i know some people have been pretty hard on elections
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alberta and i'm going to root for them one more time by saying we've never done this to them before
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true ever yeah good right good point and and so this is all new for everybody it's new legislation
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it's a new workload for everybody it's so we're all trying to feel this out and i've often said
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that this side of the conversation is literally their worst nightmare because we're doers right
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we just we get up and we see something needs to get done and we go we do it you don't ask
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permission you just get it done and there's legislation around this and so we've you know
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some of us who get up a little earlier than others have had to back up and go oh shoot sorry i didn't
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mean to do it that way how can i fix it what can i do to make this better and so some patience has
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been required because of that and and the reason that we have kind of these um fences if you will
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around what we do as tpas is because i don't know if you all know this or not but in canada
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there's a small problem with foreign interference i have to report every dollar that comes in even
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if i don't have to tell them who gave it when it's under the 50 mark i have to report it all
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and I and I'm under the I'm obligated to to sign my name that yep these are all from Albertans
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and so there's reasons there's reasons for these parameters and we want to make sure we're following
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the rules so that's why they have tpas yeah yeah it is you know just like many other things you
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know you you something starts off as a the intention is good the the ethics behind it is
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good um and just like so many things it can be corrupted and pushed and maneuvered and bent and
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you know so yeah we that's a great attitude to have because we don't want to antagonize our you
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know as as easy as it is and maybe as fun as it is sometimes to antagonize like dumb bureaucracy
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yeah we still got to play the game if you know if we want to be taken seriously and and and be
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legitimate and of course we do because just like you said mr wagner this is a legal process this
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somebody will seize any opportunity to call this illegitimate
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because we are you know like it or not sort of like you say we've never done this before and we
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are we are the change you know like this is the it doesn't take any guts to say like no i'm happy
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with how everything is yeah i don't want i'll have more of this please thank you you know that's the
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default you know forever canada is the default we're the ones who are rocking the boat a little
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bit and so yeah it makes sense you know we want to want to keep everything above board and we're
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the ones that when we hear those those arguments back to us or those excuses
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back to us oh it's gonna be too hard it's gonna be it's like huh what good
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like anything good is worth doing right right let's go what's actually gonna be
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hard about it I mean like half of the institutions we already have we already
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have an Alberta Revenue Agency what borders do we have to really protect
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like Canada isn't going to invade us even if Canada invades even if Canada
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invades us though we have more veterans in our province than the canadian army has in the entire
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army it's not really like that big of a deal and they have cold war era weapons actually the a
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funny point about invading if i can just interrupt that's always my favorite objection is that the u.s
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is going to invade us if we become independent and because we won't have a military as if the
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only thing that's preventing the u.s from invading us now is canada's military superiority
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actually it would take longer to invade alberta than it would on ottawa because ottawa is only
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45 minutes away yeah whereas alberta is five hours away oh sorry guys we're getting cut off
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we're going to paul's pizza soon kathy michael thank you guys so much for this this has been
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so fun thank you you guys are rock stars this is fun this is amazing we really appreciate guys
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so john we got to do this again i'm just saying yes john we're putting you to work
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yeah and guys tune in you'll be hearing from uh mr dale or mr mr alberton and mrs alberton down
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at paul's pizza it'll be a live stream if you're in the area feel free to come by and then at nine
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o'clock you're coming back here for fringe showing up with keith wilson so there's a lot of stuff
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still coming up but please donate today donate and help us to be able to push this movement forward
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Wow what a fantastic crowd. There are thousands of our fellow Albertans here today. Thank
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you for being at the largest ever rally for Alberta sovereignty in Alberta's history.
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We are at an inflection point ladies and gentlemen, a time in history where we have
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a choice and that choice is do we continue to be subservient to ottawa and the enslavement by our
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federal government or do we chart or do we chart a new path forward to freedom and prosperity
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through independence we have the leverage we have the power we have the ability to empower
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our provincial government to be able to for the first time in history negotiate a new sovereign
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Alberta from a position of strength and that position of strength comes from a successful
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referendum on Alberta sovereignty Albertans it's time we face the truth Ottawa's system cannot be
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fixed from within every path to fairness is blocked by design every single year we lose
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between 20 and 28 billion dollars in equalization payments. That's about 6,000
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per Albertan. Or for an average family of four that's 24,000 dollars your family
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gives away to Ottawa for no services in return.
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That's money that you earned and money you'll never see again. But after all
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these things they have not yet broken our spirit Alberta is not getting a fair
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deal in Canada right now and here's the truth if we actually want real change
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the kind that means opening up the Constitution that's nearly impossible
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for Albertans to do on our own but if we vote yes in a sovereignty referendum
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that changes everything suddenly alberta is not begging to be heard we'd be negotiating from a
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position of strength for the first time in our history and when that happens when we vote yes
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to sovereignty ottawa will listen i'm told constantly on my channel fringe there is no
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way you can vote your way out of this mess. I beg to differ. Alberta, you've been handed
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a golden ticket. You've been given a golden opportunity. You've said for years your vote
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has no weight in the federal elections. Our Senate is unrepresented. Our votes just put
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bums in chairs while Toronto, Southern Ontario, and Montreal decide who runs our country.
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But this vote, ladies and gentlemen, this vote gives you more weight and more power
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If you are a true Albertan, you owe it to your children, grandchildren, your future
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great-grandchildren to vote for prosperity to ensure that there is a land left here for
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them that they can afford homes, they can have families, they can build memories and
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But I'm confident that no matter what happens in that process, and this is critically important,
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that next year, whether it's in the spring or the fall, there will be a province-wide
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we cannot for the sake of our children underestimate underestimate the magnitude of that challenge
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we have to get like 1.8 million albertans to vote yes that means that means every
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single one of you is now charged with a mission and that mission is to talk to your friends
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Talk to your colleagues at work, the guys on your shift, the people in your baseball team or your hockey league, everybody that you encounter, to have the awkward discussions, to get them to understand the opportunity that's before us, the opportunity that how they will benefit, how their family will benefit, how their community will benefit, how their kids will benefit by voting yes.
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that is the imperative that we all have we can do it you must do it are we going to fight for our
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kids there's a lot of people here today but it's not enough we need more people which means that
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each and every one of you you need to ask yourself are you willing to make the sacrifices necessary
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specifically with your time to make this happen? Are you willing to actually go and have the
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difficult conversations with those who may scoff at you so that you can make these changes? Are you
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willing to give up your Friday night or your Saturday night, like most of these people have
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been doing for the last three, four years, to make this happen? And if you're willing to answer yes,
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which i'm sure most of you are then you need to walk the walk when you leave here you need to
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start doing these things you need to educate yourselves on what the situation we're in and
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what the solution looks like you need to know the details so that when you have these conversations
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you're an effective ambassador for independence every one of you is an ambassador for alberta
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Independence. Did you know that? So just insane. I've got a little thing. Kearney's got the elbows
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up thing going. You know, it's kind of a hockey thing, right? I'm a hockey player. I'm going to
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tell you a little thing about hockey players. There's a challenge that goes on. I don't know
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if you're aware of it, but I'm aware of it. Sometimes guys will sidle up to you and say,
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come on let's go do you want to go so at that moment you either do or you don't
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and if you don't that guy probably owns you and you're a little intimidated and then once you
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get intimidated it stops everything from working so here's what I'm going to ask you let's change
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that up because the answer to come on let's go is let's go right so I'm going to ask you as a group
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you know there's a double meaning there come on let's go
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so that's going to be the battle cry for our movement how about that
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so I'm going to ask you a question and then you can tell me if you want to go or not is the
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federal government stealing from us are they sabotaging our industry are they taking us down
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the path to communism are they censoring us are they stealing our guns from us come on let's go
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I want to tell every one of you that's here today, I have never been so proud to be an
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I look out across that sea of blue flags and I see that today, going forward, should be
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know on October 25th is Alberta Independence Day. It's time to end the
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tyranny of Ottawa and keep our money at home to take care of our families, fund
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Alberta education, fund our hospitals, fund our doctors, fund our Indigenous
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people and take care of Albertans. And there is only one solution, and that is
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to get Alberta the hell out of Canada and become an independent country.
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I want to thank all of you for coming out today. Again, I can't tell you how
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proud I am today to be in Albertan, to see all of you here standing for
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independence, standing up for your families, standing up for the future of
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your children and your grandchildren and a prosperous future for this province.
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Thank you all so much for coming out. God bless all of you. God bless.
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when you go outside the problem is this mic is going to pick up both of us
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oh you know what i mean yeah so if you're walking around it's actually not good yeah
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i'll hold this what i'll do then when people come up i'll just do this yeah good idea and then
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and when you're here i'll do that and then yeah oh we're on hey guys oh hey everybody
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guys everybody we're live right now on location at paul's pizza
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Ha ha! We got everybody, both sides, fill her up.
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You just click wherever you want to do it.
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If you don't have all the reports, then legally you have to give some information.
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My two people is from me, so even the ones that I...
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So we're going to be interviewing them, and then you can decide which one you want to support.
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Or if you want to support all of them, the maximum you can donate in total is $5,000.
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sounds good so this is uh tanya clements hi famous or infamous what's your what's your tpa
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called and give us your plug uh we'll have a tpa with keith wilson it's called let alberta decide
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and our goal is try to reach the undecideds and anyone that's just disgruntled with the way that
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ottawa has been treating alberta historically and reach out to them and be able to engage
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them in conversation yeah thank you so much for all the work you're doing oh thank you thank you
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too. It takes a whole army of us. I was following the Expos today that you're making,
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$35,000 you've raised so far. I think actually we're over $45,000 today. So John Bolton's
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telethon is incredible. This is amazing for Alberta. It's incredible. Yeah, so well,
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thank you so much. And I hope the other TPAs are making money too. So what do you plan to do with
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the money exactly? People want to know where their money's going. Well, some of our money is going
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towards our sign campaign right now and we're doing like a hybrid of traditional campaign
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strategies all the successful ones that you would typically see but then we also have a very
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sophisticated behind the scenes digital strategy that is marketing and targeting that undecided
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group and trying to bring them into the conversation yeah well something i've been thinking about a lot
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is like how do we get through to the conservative who agrees with everything that we're saying
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except they won't take it to the next step where independence is the rational thing how do we
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communicate to those people i think that's actually where this referendum for a referendum
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is a little bit of like a blessing in disguise because if you vote option one in this referendum
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you're voting for the status quo and you take away all power that alberta has in confederation
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but if you vote for option two you're going to enable you're going to enable our provincial
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government with all the strength to negotiate from a position of power with our federal government
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so whether you are fully independent or you just want Alberta to have strength
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it's like okay now that if we get a successful win on this
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and then I suspect they're going to come back with their best possible offer to us
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I doubt that they're going to open up the constitution
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but they might come back with something really strong
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yeah i don't know at least we have some power then to force them to come back with an offer
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yeah well and i think that assuages a lot of people in the middle on this
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we're like okay we don't know what we're gonna if we're really ready to leave out of canada yet
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but send a message and uh see what we can get and then at least in the real referendum they know
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what they're voting for because then it's like canada's giving us the best offer and they're
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like wait a minute that's still not good enough so then you know hopefully then they they i want
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independence i want freedom yeah and those of us that do support independence we definitely will
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we'll take that opportunity to try to bring them in to the independent side of the movement and
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speak to the merits of sovereignty but the first referendum question is just if you're agreed and
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you feel it's unjust how we've been treated you have to vote option two yeah and then it's our
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job to try to convince you that you know what pursuing independence is going to give us all
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the things that we've been asking for yeah wow yeah so uh on your on the campaign trail what are
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some of the big questions that people have been asking you uh they ask a lot about the uncertainty
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of the future they're worried about that actually when i talk to people it usually comes from two
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places it comes from fear of change of uncertainty and then um a position of just really having a
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patriotism towards canada and a love for canada as we all do like we grew up with these ideals of
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what canada was and is supposed to be to us so that's where the hesitancy comes from and then
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people are just concerned about how it's going to affect their their personal and their family life
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going forward so whether it's pensions or their paychecks or their job security yeah so questions
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so fear and patriotism that's what i've been finding with my youtube videos as well yeah
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because i i go around making videos and talking to people right and like i think the patriotism
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argument confuses me but when i think about the risk argument like the uncertainty it's like
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there's two ways to look at risk right there's the risk of changing which is uncertain there's
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going to be big uh changes and there's going to be unforeseen things if we're being honest right
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with independence but then there's risks of staying and we know what those are tell us what
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the risks of staying are in your in your mind yeah that's how i phrase it too that the certainty of
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where canada is headed is far scarier than any uncertainty of giving us a new nation and being
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able to carve our own path yeah so we know how taxation is going to go we know that our property
07:26:47.280
rights are going to be continued to be shipped away at we know that our children the next
07:26:51.840
generations are going to have an increased affordability issue so not going to be able
07:26:55.520
to afford homes till well into their 40s likely we know where it's headed for canada so do we want
07:27:02.000
to vote for the status quo or do we want to empower our government for some change and some
07:27:06.400
leverage yeah like 20 years ago when i was 20 um i bought my first house the average age to buy a
1.00
07:27:14.960
house was like 22 and now it's like 45 you know there's no hope for young people like that's a
07:27:21.120
risk of staying in canada if you if you vote forever canada that's what you're voting for
07:27:26.480
we know the path you're on and this is an opportunity to get off of it yeah think about
07:27:31.520
if we could end the equalization payments and keep that money that we send out east that does
07:27:36.640
nothing and comes back to us at all if we kept that where we are and we also released the resource
07:27:42.560
potential that our province has what kind of future we could build for albertans what kind of
07:27:47.040
services we could provide classroom sizes our health care like the amount we could invest in
07:27:52.800
our communities is astronomical like it's limitless yeah i got a confession to make so
07:27:57.840
during the referendum on equalization i voted to keep it oh really i did and my rationale was
07:28:05.600
i actually wanted to share with canada i'm like i want to share i'm like that's fair i i love
07:28:11.040
people in canada and i want to share with them but then what changed my mind on this now is like
07:28:16.960
they want us to pay but then they won't let us develop our industry and our economy and our
07:28:23.760
resources they make policies that hold us back and they spite us and they hate us i feel like
07:28:28.960
they hate us with all the policies that they put in place like that changed my mind yeah i feel
07:28:34.800
like that's the common sentiment of how ottawa treats us and it's not a grievance with canada
07:28:40.000
we obviously love canada we want to be good neighbors in the future but the way that we've
07:28:44.640
been treated by ottawa is what compels us to pursue independence and yeah we have paid a lot
07:28:50.000
into this confederation and we've taken very good care of other nations like monetarily so why punish
07:28:56.640
us why why pass all these bills that hurt our industries yeah like that's the question why like
07:29:03.120
i don't see it and that changed my mind the reason i'm telling you this is because i think i was one
07:29:08.240
of the people in the middle i changed my mind on some things i used to be much more centrist in my
07:29:13.440
my politics but uh now i just see i see our freedoms being eroded i'm really concerned
07:29:19.520
about free speech i'm concerned about religious freedom i'm concerned about the gun ban and i see
07:29:26.000
that independence is the only way to to get our freedoms guaranteed right and i think this actually
07:29:32.480
is it's it should be non-partisan because it should be about alberta's future and not which
07:29:37.360
side of the political spectrum you you sit on it becomes partisan just by people's nature i believe
07:29:43.440
but it's not it should be unifying to pursue self-determination and prosperity for us and for
07:29:50.560
future generations that should be a unifying principle and maybe the pathway we don't quite
07:29:54.560
agree on it yet but i can tell you option two is what takes us a step closer to achieving that
07:29:59.920
that's right uh get because this is a live stream repeat everything you said about your tpa
07:30:06.000
because people might just be logging in so what's your tpa where can they go to support it
07:30:11.120
so keith wilson and i have the tpa called let alberta decide you can go to let albertadecide.com
07:30:17.200
it's on pretty much all the socials uh today because of this telethon and all the support
07:30:22.800
from albertans and john bolton taking the initiative to put this on we've raised over
07:30:27.120
forty five thousand dollars today which is amazing and i promise we will put that to very good use
07:30:31.760
and this is absolutely something that we can win yeah and so then you can go to uh albertatelethon.com
07:30:39.040
and then you can click on the link for for let alberta decide or you can click on the link for
07:30:44.480
all the different tpas like you can donate to all the different tpas up to a maximum of five
07:30:49.920
thousand dollars per person per corporation so yeah oh per person per corporation yeah so a
07:30:57.360
corporation counts as a single entity so if you have a business it can also donate five thousand
07:31:01.760
dollars towards the referendum through tpas i could donate five thousand personally five thousand
07:31:07.360
with my company you can if you're in the position to do that you certainly can yeah and you can
07:31:11.920
donate five dollars and that helps too yeah well and that's what i was just saying like i'm looking
07:31:15.680
at some of these cory morgan signs that are right here and it's like they cost about five bucks a
07:31:20.000
pop you know and uh and they're all working towards the same message right so you know you donate 10
07:31:26.960
bucks then you kind of paid for your sign you paid one for a free person for someone else
07:31:32.640
so this if you feel you can't give you know all that money every little bit counts right so
07:31:39.520
if everybody gives a little bit we can win this well it's just like the traditional telethons
07:31:43.760
they used to have like the ones for the children's hospital and i remember growing up watching the
07:31:47.200
country 105 ones yeah and people would donate 25 or 100 not thinking that they were actually going
07:31:53.360
going to make any change but when enough people do that you make substantial change yeah it's
07:31:58.620
pretty amazing yeah exactly awesome well thank you so much tanya thanks for all the work thank
07:32:04.080
you for all that you do too appreciate it so much all right have a great day okay guys so here's the
07:32:12.120
next uh i just want to check my sound quality first of all sound is still good i think everybody
07:32:18.200
can hear me come on over jason how are you absolutely nice and lively in here tonight
07:32:25.640
isn't it yeah awesome okay so give us the plug for your tpa okay so the levine show tpa what
07:32:32.280
we're doing is we're putting up billboards and lawn signs everywhere large events with debates
07:32:36.760
we actually could just announce that we've got stockwell day and bruce party agreeing to do a
07:32:41.080
debate stockwell for the federalist side bruce for the independent side will be releasing that
07:32:46.120
one in september and we got a few more in the works we're even trying to get one of the other
07:32:50.200
gpas on the other side to agree to sit down yeah we've already had some communication so i'm excited
07:32:55.400
that we actually might be able to make that one work yeah wow so you agreed to get stock well day
07:32:59.960
so because people always want to know what is your where where's the money going if i donate to you
07:33:05.000
so you're answering that question continue answering that question about 80 of the money
07:33:09.480
goes to lawn signs that we hand out all over alberta we're just up in grand prairie left
07:33:13.560
bridge medicine that we're going all over alberta to handle long science we have some here tonight
07:33:17.560
as well about 10 of the budget has gone towards the billboards the digital billboards in edmonton
07:33:23.400
and the other 10 is about producing the events booking the venue getting the hotels get everybody
07:33:28.920
involved so roughly 80 10 10 is where we put the budget right now yeah so like as far as the
07:33:35.320
political things like this go that's a really effective way to give their money like you're
07:33:40.040
using it effectively and so i appreciate all the work you're doing here so where can people go to
07:33:45.960
donate they go to levineshow.com gpa they also go to the albertatelethon.com you'll find our
07:33:52.760
donate button there as well uh you can mail it to us we take checks through the mail we do credit
07:33:58.440
card we do e-transfer then in-person events we can take cash as well yeah well and there's a cash
07:34:04.040
bucket floating around here it was getting pretty heavy well that's good because we're up against a
07:34:09.560
billion dollar machine yeah and that's just the media here in canada it's a trillion dollar
07:34:13.640
machine when you look at the globalist level of things yeah they don't want for people to have
07:34:17.800
this kind of independence right because it's contagious yeah when other countries and other
07:34:21.720
places see what we're doing here they're going to start doing that too so we talked about the cbc
07:34:27.240
and the canadian media being like 1.4 or 1.6 billion or it gets a trillion dollar machine yeah
07:34:32.360
that wants to keep the globalists all together yeah yeah well and that's a really insightful
07:34:37.160
point is they don't want this to spread but you know okay the other side they're not reporting
07:34:43.240
their expenses and elections alberta says they don't have to and that's a big pile of bs
07:34:49.480
but here's the thing we're raising money from small little groups like this right and events
07:34:56.280
like this is truly grassroots that's what gives me hope for independence like it's the people
07:35:02.440
supporting this and like look at how big this is twenty dollars from thousands and thousands of
07:35:08.120
people is how a lot of the grassroots movements happen this is what elected trump it was twenty
07:35:12.600
dollars at a time it wasn't twenty million dollars at a time and it came to brexit as well that was
07:35:18.040
a grassroots effort funded by 20 pounds at a time and look what they were able to accomplish when
07:35:23.640
people get together and they feel the support from each other they step up and i this is definitely
07:35:29.000
one of our best days when it comes to the gpa fundraising yeah we said lots of generosity
07:35:33.480
keith wilson donated to us today we're very pleased that even amongst the gpas people are
07:35:38.760
working together to get things done at the end of the day it's going to take a large army to get
07:35:43.400
this done oh yeah not one general not one soldier it's going to take a large army yeah that's why
07:35:49.720
i encourage people to donate a little bit to each gpa actually because it would be terrible actually
07:35:56.440
if we piled it all into one tpa and they got way over and then where does that money go if it goes
07:36:01.560
over well i'm sure it's something like keith wilson's team they'll make sure they don't go over
07:36:06.200
because that can get you into a little bit of trouble but it's 607 000 that's a pretty
07:36:10.600
sizable more chest and they're going to probably be there in the next couple of weeks at the rate
07:36:14.200
they're going yeah but i like the idea of giving to a whole bunch of ppas yeah there's a lot of
07:36:19.080
people to remember that at 250 or below your name doesn't pop up in the lexington wilberta website
07:36:25.480
but it also means you can go 250 per tpa yeah and you still won't be on the website because it's
07:36:30.120
by tpa it's each individual tpa and then if you're under 50 then it's completely anonymous yeah 50
07:36:37.560
below could be a cash anonymous donation or even online at 50. some people do 49.99 you can give
07:36:44.600
us that last penny because it's a 50 or below yeah you're good to go yeah and so what i've been
07:36:49.960
telling people is these signs they cost about what five bucks a piece five to seven depending
07:36:55.160
on the quantity yeah you get it to the thousands close to the five and that's where we're at now
07:36:59.960
okay we distributed about three thousand now just in the last three days grand prairie and
07:37:05.960
i came all over alberta we gave away about 800 signs so we're doing good and i just want to let
07:37:11.240
your the viewers know yeah we have some fantastic support on the highway in rocky mountain and in
07:37:17.560
rimby there's so many people that would give the thumbs up or support they didn't honk because they
07:37:22.680
maybe a little bit too embarrassed or don't want anybody to know but lots of support in rocky
07:37:27.560
mountain we even had a bus from the first patients go by and the driver gave us a honk and a thumbs
07:37:32.440
up yeah so there's a lot more support than the media will ever tell anybody right now i tell you
07:37:36.440
that yeah well you think about hey todd come on over and say hi every time i see him i say hi
07:37:44.040
yeah todd's a great volunteer of ours as well he helps out when we're in drumheller and stettler
07:37:48.680
in other areas but but like that's that's a good example like all of these people here
07:37:54.840
they came out to show their support you know and a lot of the people that i talk to you
07:37:59.560
they actually say that they would they've never been engaged before they've never donated or
07:38:04.840
volunteered before um until now and uh you know myself i was kind of involved in politics
07:38:11.560
more than the average person was before this but i was really disillusioned alberta independence
07:38:21.800
that their name's going to be on a list, a bank account
07:38:33.680
it's not something that the government can step on.
07:38:43.660
worried about your name being on a list, donate $50.
07:38:45.720
next week maybe another 50 next week maybe another 50 yeah and keep in mind it is a sanction we are
07:38:52.140
registered as a third party advertiser so don't be afraid the government will step on your toes
07:38:56.600
on this yeah well and i think a lot of people are afraid of this right it it doesn't take any
07:39:01.720
courage to put a canada flag up right now because that's just the status quo and this is still
07:39:06.640
canada right but like it takes a lot of courage to put an alberta flag or an alberta sign up
07:39:12.640
uh or to donate or to volunteer or to even talk about it and so what i what i find a lot of people
07:39:18.560
that they they accuse us they say like you're never gonna win right like that's that's that's
07:39:26.320
their argument i guess it's not an argument but that's what they say and it's like once they see
07:39:31.160
look at all these people you know you say we're never gonna win but look at all these people
07:39:36.040
you know this is a good shot at winning i agree with that completely and keep in mind that those
07:39:42.000
people that don't have any other argument they're not providing us with a good reason to stay
07:39:45.900
they're not convincing me that this will be a place for my children to grow up in and be
07:39:49.480
prosperous they're not removing the criminal code that takes away the bible from us they're
07:39:54.600
not actually stepping up and doing anything of positivity so all they have is breaking windows
07:39:58.980
spray-pacing signs and trying to convince us that we're just not going to win but that's not the
07:40:03.620
alberta way we came and prospered here when it was frozen land there was no roads we built it and did
07:40:09.980
it so i absolutely believe that the courage is there the conviction is there and also christ
07:40:14.900
is on our side on this amen christ is on our side put god first in everything um you're talking
07:40:21.760
about the albertan culture uh perseverance adversity these are the things that make us
0.70
07:40:27.760
stronger and uh this morning i interviewed uh the guy from cool shit wholesale in red yeah they
07:40:34.840
smashed his windows you know yeah and it's like they want to discourage us but they're not going
07:40:40.040
to discourage us he's going to fix those windows and uh and and i'm going to make i made a video
07:40:45.400
that's going to get published it's going to get thousands of views and that's going to make us
07:40:50.200
stronger well yeah they smashed his windows that's about two thousand dollars but while we were there
07:40:55.720
there's about seven thousand dollars worth of sales that happened yeah and everybody's going
07:40:59.560
there now for all their merchandise yeah even the tpas are going there to pick up flags and things
07:41:03.800
like that so this drives an effect like he just brought attention to it so now we want to support
07:41:08.200
him all the way for sure well hey hang on yeah where are the donation boxes over there the
07:41:14.920
donation box but i also reminded people that on the donation level you have one of these tpas
07:41:19.960
not reporting anything yeah and he has on his website that says there's no limit you can donate
07:41:24.120
as much as you want he's soliciting from outside of alberta publicly he's doing that he's clearly
07:41:29.320
not following the same rules that we are and why would you register as a tpa and not report it
07:41:34.200
because you don't want to show where the sources are and you don't want to work within the limits
07:41:38.120
so those are the kind of things that we're up against so i'm wondering if there's some kind
07:41:42.040
of legal recourse like can somebody sue forever canada force or sue elections alberta like this
07:41:49.080
is well in every revolution there's a side that will always cheat lie and do the wrong thing
07:41:55.080
they will like put in spies and try and disrupt things because they can't win on the field
07:41:59.480
they can't win on the actual messaging so they will do other things to do it i don't want to say
07:42:04.360
he's lying or cheating or stealing i'll let the public decide on that one but he's certainly not
07:42:08.840
followed by the same rules that we are and he doesn't report the same way we do okay give us
07:42:13.480
another plug for your tpa this time spell it out because your name is levine i don't maybe we can't
07:42:20.440
spell that spell everything out that might be might be hard to spell absolutely the levine show
07:42:24.600
t-h-e-l-a-v as in victor i-g-n-e-s-h-o-w.com yeah and from there you'll be able to support us
07:42:32.280
you can also go to albertatelecon.com and you'll find our link there as well yeah and the link is
07:42:37.560
probably in the description of this live stream so please go and donate show your support for
07:42:42.920
independence put your money where your mouth is thanks so much jason john thanks for everything
07:42:48.200
my children thank you and we're all going to fight for the same thing here god bless you god
07:42:52.280
bless you absolutely okay hey we got somebody else coming in all right come on over chris scott
07:43:05.320
what's that oh this is my microphone is that a recording device it's a recording device the
07:43:09.800
government puts chips in there and then they can like they can download the data from your phone
07:43:15.640
and they send it to the chinese in the communist party well i don't know about the chinese but i
07:43:21.000
want the government to know what i'm doing okay tell us more well i mean i want them to know that
07:43:25.400
we're advocating for self-determination that makes me happy i hope they're listening yeah hi yeah hi
07:43:31.960
you know and this is the thing i i feel like i've crossed the rubicon i watched from the sidelines
07:43:37.640
when all that covet stuff went down the freedom convoy i watched the sidelines and i said afterwards
07:43:43.720
i was ashamed that i didn't do anything because i have friends that joined up and i didn't do
07:43:48.280
anything i was afraid i was afraid that if i get freedom i was afraid of getting in trouble with
07:43:53.640
the government of you know i didn't know what the bank accounts happen yet but i was just afraid of
07:43:59.960
everything and uh and and now i'm like i will never i will never do that again i'm going to stand up
07:44:06.360
this is the time to shine i'm going to hold my shoulders up and i encourage other people to do
07:44:10.680
that as well you know we're we're all afraid of something um and i gotta say in in january 2021
07:44:19.720
i was terrified of the government yeah like i i people think that i just was brave it wasn't that
07:44:27.000
i was brave um i was what i i was less scared of the government what they might do than what i knew
07:44:34.120
was going to happen if i didn't stand up yeah so i was uh you know i thought about that and then i
07:44:39.320
i had to make a decision and part of the decision to stand up in civil disobedience was i also had
07:44:46.280
to accept what i believed was inevitable and that was i thought i was going to get crushed i thought
07:44:52.280
the government was going to destroy me bankrupt me find me in jail and so i thought about these
07:44:57.300
things and and i made peace with it and i accepted it because that because i knew that i had to do
07:45:02.520
something right yeah and i find like we're in another situation like the trucker convoy gave
07:45:08.020
so much hope for canada i wanted in i wanted unity but now i want out and this gives me hope
07:45:15.940
right independence is the thing that's giving me hope um but plug your tpa i don't have a tpa
07:45:22.900
you don't have a tpa no i'm not a tpa oh so i i uh i lead an organization called that stock alberta
07:45:29.380
okay we're not a third party advertiser we're not subject to uh contribution limits we can take
07:45:35.300
contributions from anybody anywhere at any time and there's no maximum also but you're not allowed
07:45:40.900
to say like go and vote this way or that way is that no i i share my opinion and my political
07:45:46.740
leanings and beliefs with people and i invite them to have a conversation with me about it
07:45:51.140
specifically i invite people here's my message i i believe that alberta independence is necessary
07:45:58.420
and inevitable yeah that's my opinion in october we're going to be asked a question of self
07:46:04.180
determination and that question one way or another is gonna we're gonna pursue it or not right so if
07:46:11.140
we know we're going to be asked the question i think we need to talk about these things
07:46:15.300
i want to make the best decision too so if somebody on the forever canadian side with
07:46:20.100
the status quo side if they believe that the current structure and situation within confederation
07:46:26.900
is the best for me and my family i want them to tell me tell me that explain why change my mind
07:46:33.060
right because if they don't do that and they really believe it i'm going to go into october
07:46:38.500
and i'll make a decision based on the information i have now that's why we need to talk so in your
07:46:43.780
travels what are some of the best arguments for canada you heard or what are the angles
07:46:49.060
that they seem to always take the best argument for canada yeah um the most the most difficult
07:46:57.940
one to challenge or debate is the emotional arguments oh i'm canadian i'll always be canadian
07:47:04.260
this is my country i'm patriotic patriotism i've realized patriotism uh it often blinds people to
07:47:11.700
the failings of their nation and it prevents them from doing something better so the emotional one
07:47:16.340
is difficult um the other the other one is fear fear of the unknown well well you don't know
07:47:22.260
exactly what independence is going to be for alberta you're right i don't i don't know if
07:47:27.460
it's going to be better even but i do know that we get to decide and whatever we decide we get to
07:47:33.460
to reap the benefits or suffer the consequence and if there's a consequence we don't like we can
07:47:38.340
decide to change things and make it better that's what it is for me well and you that whole risk
07:47:43.780
argument right the uncertainty the fear of the unknown i think if we're honest there there are
07:47:48.900
a lot of unknowns with independence and that's like intellectually honest but there's an uncertainty
07:47:55.540
of staying and so what are the risks of staying in canada well what what do we know in the last 20
07:48:02.260
years uh canada has experienced or alberta has experienced a net loss of approximately 150
07:48:08.340
billion dollars in investment capital uh in that time we lost the the flagship canadian energy
07:48:15.220
company and canna they they left and it wasn't because of what company was that and canna it
07:48:22.980
It was because of federal policy that Alberta couldn't affect that caused them to abandon their business in Canada.
07:48:33.520
If you look at where our dollar is, our dollar, our buying power has been plummeting.
07:48:44.040
I know that if we don't do anything and we continue on that trajectory, 10 years from now, I'll be thinking back and I'll be thinking we should have done something.
07:49:00.880
Like if you put yourself in your own shoes 20 years ago, I know that's a tough thing to do, but just pretend you're 20 years younger.
07:49:06.800
And someone came to you and said, in Canada, in your Canada, you're going to have to attend church secretly, illegally, because if the government finds you, they're going to throw you in jail.
07:49:19.440
Or in your Canada, if you offend somebody, you're going to be fined or potentially jailed.
07:49:31.280
Now you think, what's it going to be like in 10 more years or 20 more years if we don't stop what's going on right now?
07:49:38.660
The unknowns about what is our currency going to be,
07:49:41.280
what's the military going to be, all of those things,
07:49:43.400
I don't know, but we get to decide, and that's the opportunity.
07:49:51.300
Every Albertan I talk to is like good idea after good idea,
07:50:00.260
As a province of Canada, we are always outvoted.
07:50:06.420
So independence is about asserting ourselves and deciding our future.
07:50:12.400
And even worse, sometimes we're the sacrificial lamb of the confederation.
07:50:16.120
I mean, look at the, when Carney was campaigning, they were ready to sacrifice Alberta.
07:50:21.100
Oh, we're going to turn off your oil, United States.
07:50:23.060
And Alberta's like, pardon me, that's like 100,000 jobs.
07:50:26.520
We're not just going to stop shipping oil to satisfy your trade war, right, without even talking to us about it.
07:50:42.340
Well, okay, you also say in your talks that you're a capitalist.
07:50:48.600
So my website's whistlestop.ca, which I did prior to becoming a Sovereignist advocate.
07:50:55.920
I've got lots of stuff people can buy up there.
07:50:57.880
I love it when people come to the restaurant and eat our food because it's delicious,
07:51:04.860
And I also, you know, Let's Talk Alberta is doing big things.
07:51:09.040
We have been since we started back in February.
07:51:11.540
We've been to, I don't know, 60 or 80 or 90 different places in Alberta.
07:51:19.360
We have our advertising is encouraging conversation, right?
07:51:23.980
Because the TPAs, they're putting lawn signs up.
07:51:26.200
They're putting out ads to vote this way, vote that way.
07:51:28.940
And the average Albertan, they don't know the facts.
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So our job is to have these conversations and hope that by the time the conversation's over, they know who they should support.
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And to support Let's Talk Alberta, you can go to letstalkalberta.com, click the Donate button, no maximums.
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And it doesn't count towards any personal limit, right?
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Or you can send an e-transfer to letstalkalberta at gmail.com.
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If you want to see one of the things we're doing with our…
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So this is the type of thing that Let's Talk Alberta wants to do.
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Well, and when we say unity, what are we talking about?
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freedom and prosperity that's what we that's the banner we unify under i and and as for the
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you know the other side the forever canadian third party advertiser they're the biggest one
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out there i've actually started to agree with their lawn signs i i realized well no i agree
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with the forever canadian lawn sign because one of the things that thomas thomas lakasik said
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to discourage people from exploring alberta self-determination is that you'll lose your
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canadian citizenship but you can't lose your canadian citizenship you will always be forever
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canadian just alberta won't be part of confederation i'm going to denounce my citizenship
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well i here's why i won't like i'm just going to stop filing my taxes with reverdy canada
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i'll tell you why i'm i will keep my canadian citizenship because i consider it a huge blessing
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to live in a country where my voice can be heard and i'm free to express my political views even
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when my political views are so uh so big as to remove my province from confederation that's a
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blessing to me and i do appreciate what canada has offered me in that regards i just don't agree with
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where they're going now hey that's well said thanks so much chris yeah thanks all right have
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a great day you too we'll see each other again yes yeah cheers come on over angela angela please
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to meet you my name is John all right so what's your TPA Alberta women for
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independence awesome all right so and how can people support you and donate to
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you well you can go to our website it's a really long website address spell it
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out slowly for the live stream abwomensindependencenetwork.com
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oh it's easy to remember that abwomensindependencenetwork.com there you go
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yeah now people always want to know what where the money goes when they donate so what are your
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projects what are you doing sure so you know our focus for the last year and a half before we had
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to register as a tpa has been education and especially reaching out to women uh inviting
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them to be a part of the the conversation that we need to have in alberta and so we decided that we
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are going to stick with that same focus so we are doing meetings all across the province
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this week we have meetings in medicine hat red deer grand prairie fairview and high prairie
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that's really spread out yeah it is and we're just kind of i mean kathy is up in shore parks
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so she's my partner in crime and i'm down in the southwest and we're just kind of doing a conquer
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and divide but sometimes we were able to come together so we're doing meetings where we are
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inviting women especially to like i said get involved in the conversation so we've got
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literature that we're handing out that they can share with their friends and family we've been
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doing videos on each of the referendum questions we've got lawn signs everybody wants a lawn sign
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um when we're at the meetings we're handing out t-shirts as well sometimes we're handing out
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books if we can get a hold of them so the whole focus is on making sure that we are informed
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voters um and just really kind of having a respectful dialogue like even if people come
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to the meetings then they don't necessarily agree with what we're talking about at least we're
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really fostering of an opportunity to have respectful dialogue to learn to relearn that
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that's something that people used to be able to do you know they would sit around the coffee table
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or whatever and they would go back and forth and share ideas and unfortunately we've lost that in
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our current society and so our focus is on allowing people to to experience that again and to realize
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it's okay yeah we can have these really hard conversations we always do it over dessert
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that's kind of our tagline so if you come to the meeting you get dessert you get dessert
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these conversations need dessert that's our tagline so yeah it's just a real great opportunity
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to come together have that community have these discussions and yeah well what you said about how
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we've lost this in society i really i'm perplexed by that because it actually feels like that you
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know we talk over social media we talk past each other right and i feel like it's just shouting
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past each other and when can you sit down with people and just have a reasonable conversation
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you know and and that's what i i try to do with my channel as well you know i have a channel i talk
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to people but i do find that most of the people who want to talk to me are men and it's like maybe
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it's because i'm a man you know but so what are what are women what's the perspective like what
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do women say about this because it's a group focus on women for independence well you know like
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politics can be kind of an ugly game you know it's it can be very there's a lot of blustering a lot
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of ego some aggression for a lot of women that's a turn off you know we're busy we're busy moms
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we're busy grandmothers maybe we're the ones putting the bread on the table and so we just
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don't have a lot of time for that but we do have time to get together and and to have these
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conversations um while the facts are really important and the facts support the idea of
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alberta independence that we could do this on our own there is also an emotional aspect to this
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what we are asking people to do is actually very difficult for some a lot of our personal identity
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is tied up in our nationality and so we're asking people to kind of step away from maybe
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how they've been for 30 40 50 60 years and consider the possibilities of something new
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and that takes time you can't just throw facts at somebody who's struggling with that and say
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well what's wrong with you no it takes time and it takes you need to be able to process those
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feelings and when you're sitting in a warm environment as we try to foster and you're
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sharing food and you're having that discussion it's a lot easier to get past that than if you're
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just being bombarded by facts and that's just the way women are we're fired differently it's okay
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that's such a profound thing you say it's like you're sitting around in a small group sharing
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food and that this is the context for how you're going to have these deep political conversations
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what a brilliant idea like i'm so happy that you're doing that and you know what it is so fun
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like we're just having an absolute blast with this and it's like every time i leave a meeting i'm
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just like thank you lord like i just feel like my community has just grown even more and i just i
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know who my peeps are and it's just this wonderful feeling we have lost community we have lost the
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sense of unity that we used to have the sense of patriotism that we used to have and so that is
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all part of this as well right that we are finding our people and and surrounding ourselves with
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people who support us well like you said that we're finding our people right and if like we're
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building a nation we're this is our these are our people here and when you're finding our people
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you're bringing them together you're welcoming them into the community and uh that's how we
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build our nation of alberta yeah wow yeah it's absolutely amazing and it just feels like there's
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this real vacuum um just because of the way things are in our society right now i mean social media
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i'm sure has a large effect on that but also i believe that the idea of unity has been
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intentionally destroyed within canada well diversity is the opposite of unity kind of
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isn't it and it's supposed to be our strength yeah unity is our strength unity is our strength
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i was going to say that diversity is i mean you can be diverse in different ways in that we don't
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have to be carbon copies of each other and we can have you know different life experiences or
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whatever but you have to have something to unify yourself around if you don't have that you are
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not a nation yeah like a shared dream for the future shared values right shared culture alberta
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has a unique culture you know yes you know um talking to we did a series and i would recommend
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if people want something good to watch we did a seven part series based on a paper
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that colonel david redmond put together back in 2024 where he talks about the six national
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interests and the first one is unity and he says if you are not surrounded or you are not unified
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by shared values ethics and beliefs that's not shared culture and that's not shared religion
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it's shared values ethics and beliefs so you have to find that commonality
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then you are a nation he says if you do not have those shared values ethics and beliefs
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you are not a nation that will last and i think our parents had that and we kind of had it our
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generation and like our kids they don't have that and so independence is about our kids and having
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what we know brought us together but hey angela give us one more good plug for your tpa and then
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i'll keep moving on here well i just want to say thank you for all the support that we've received
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today it is overwhelming and i mean kathy and i have been doing this for a year and a half
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out of our own bank accounts we have never asked for donations so it's really odd to us to ask for
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donations but today is just overwhelming the support and oh my goodness we just we pledge
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that we are just every dollar to me is is almost sacred it represents a sacrifice that someone has
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made for their belief in alberta independence and when we spend those dollars it is so carefully
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because i keep that in mind but that's what people have done they have sacrificed for that okay so go
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to albertatelethon.com and uh donate to the alberta women's independence network yes alberta women
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for independence yes thanks angela thank you so much thank you hey hey so guess what's up what's
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up we got a gentleman here that wants to uh make a challenge so hey everybody can we have a second
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of your time please we got a gentleman here that would like to pose a challenge to the bar if he
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could go ahead john john this is the bar bar this is john within the first 10 minutes of this
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telethon way from sylvan lake put out a challenge
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i was going i was going to put out a challenge but wade beat me to it and i came here today to
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put a challenge out to everybody in this bar the donation jars are right over there
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okay one over there i've got a 50 bill that i am going to put in the jar over there
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way he's got his up as well so everybody in here take a 50 bill whatever you can
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and let's fill those donation jars thank you thank you awesome thank you all right al so
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it's been a great night you should take over an interview here take over an interview yeah interview
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you have you shown the magnitude oh i can't show with this how you doing i'm good how are you
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excellent i'm adam hi adam how are you doing doing good good what what brings you here tonight yeah
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you know alberta is a very financially attractive location yes it is and one of the big things that
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people are speculating and investigating is ai data centers yeah now ai data centers has a lot
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of heat exhaustion yes it does and one purpose for that can be utilizing that to connect it to
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greenhouses where is that alberta can utilize this to grow tropical plants vegetables and fruits to
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boost the food economy yes so that way we had we could diversify our economic output by not only
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being oil and gas but also being an incentivized hub for tech data centers yeah and also for food
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creating an availability for it lowering the cost of living around food and even that heat output
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could be utilized to also feed houses yeah so it could be a very cool political campaign to push
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something like that well it could be we're gonna have to keep up with with the rest of the world
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because the dei data centers are coming whether we like and not so we got to use we got to make
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sure we use them for our advantage right yeah well that's something that we can't really decide as
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far as an independent alberta goes but that once we become an independent alberta then we can decide
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how we utilize it and what we do with it right yeah right now we have to become an independent
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alberta before we can even get the choices to do that that's right because we have a lot of policies
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yep but we can incentivize that politically if we were independent absolutely and i think we
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have a lot of a lot of time to go hey guys sorry sure to catch up hey guys we got three minutes
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left can we get a yahoo we are heading out i can't really take this off but there is a bunch
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of people over on the other side of the of the room as well that you've seen
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and apparently vicky has to go you want to talk we have vicky would like to say something
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hello everybody i guess i'll get in front of the camera here so i just i wanted to give a quick
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shout out there's been um so much support today i've loved watching all the speakers today and i
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hope you are you know putting out your donations and helping everybody out but there are a few tpas
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that have just formed recently and i want you guys all to be aware um especially about the
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regional one so we have a brand new tpa that's just started up in the grand prairie peace river
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area and i'm going to read it just so that i don't screw anything up it's called north alberta strong
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and they're a third party advertiser that has come up in peace river grand prairie and again
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they're out there to educate and get people to understand why they need to vote for option two
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on October 19th so I just wanted everyone to know that look on the Elections Alberta website
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regularly there's going to be new TPAs popping up find the one closest to you and help support them
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awesome thank you so much I would like to say to Vicki what are your thoughts on tonight amazing
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amazing turnout and again I've been watching online all day before we got here so everyone's
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doing a fantastic job i love seeing these donations coming in and i love seeing my freedom family my
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alberta independence family it's been a beautiful day we have people outside on the upper patio
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lower patio the restaurant's packed the lounge is packed it's the place to be so how what time is it
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it's time for us to go so he's going to plug us off right now uh we're going to be back in about
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an hour right now we're going to pass it off to garrick smith up in edmonton and we'll see what
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he can do while we're having some more fun here at paul's pizza we'll see you back here in about
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Welcome. Three months from today, you'll be asked to vote for option two on question 10
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in the referendum. But a lot is going to happen between now and October the 19th.
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Let me put it to you this way. Over the next three months, the full weight of the federal
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government of Canada, the Liberal Party of Canada, and the Prime Minister of Canada,
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Mark Carney, will come down on Alberta to try to stop us from gaining our independence.
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Not only that, the full weight of the Conservative Party of Canada, its MPs, many of whom you voted for, and its leader, Pierre Polyev, will come down on Alberta to try to stop us from gaining our independence.
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And a little closer to home, a woman you probably voted for and trusted will be campaigning against you for trying to get a better life for yourself, your children, and your grandchildren.
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not only that these parties have endless amounts of money throw in the mainstream media and the
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1.4 billion dollars of your money to the cbc and this is a pretty steep hill to climb
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but today we can make a difference today we can make a stand today we can send a message
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to Ottawa. So far, third-party advertisers on our side are doing very well. We're out
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raising the other side, but we have hundreds of thousands of dollars and they have millions
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and billions. If you can, over the next 12 hours, please contribute. Please donate to
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the third-party advertisers we'll be talking about today. It's the only way we can win
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this thing. Welcome to the Telethon for Independence. Now let's kick some ass.
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gentlemen welcome back to the alberta telethon what a day it's been the donations have been
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pouring in absolutely flooding in you guys have been doing a top job but we need to step it up a
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bit tonight the fringe is here the whole team is here we have tiffany of course my lovely wife and
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friday night co-host mike is joining us in studio as well and uh keith say hi to keith keith's here
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hi keith um keith uh he's had a long day he's a little tired so we're not gonna hold that against
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But we just had to make sure that we wrapped them up for you so that we knew it was Keith
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Got a lot to talk about today. We got a lot to talk about in terms of the telethon
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First, Mrs. Fringe, would you like to update us on the numbers?
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We got some updates on the TPAs. What do we got?
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So we've got Keith and Tanya are sitting at $60,000
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Unbelievable. The donations have been coming pouring in
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And now the other TPAs are still doing what they're doing these are the updates we have for you, but folks we can do better
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Okay, I'm not gonna be happy until we see at least
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Keith's astronomical $60,000 break six figures. We have to get that done tonight
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This is the time to donate and without that let's not have fake Keith anymore. Let's bring in real Keith
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Real you guys didn't really think we were gonna do this without him. Did you Keith welcome into the show?
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Now, I want to get something clear as we talk to all Albertans right now.
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You can see at the bottom of your screen, albertatelethon.com coming in.
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And it's time we talk about that because let's be honest, folks.
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See, what Albertans do, what Albertans like to do is Albertans like to dig into their pockets
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And Albertans like to make sure that everybody gets their fair share when it comes to independence, when it comes to making sure that we look after our province, we look after our future republic.
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If you really want to support Alberta, if you really want to support your kids' futures, as you can see, I'm flushing my children's college fund out the window right now.
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And I think Keith Wilson is the man to do that.
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So without further ado, I'm going to stop throwing money at Keith like a cheap stripper.
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There's $1,000 from Unacceptable Fringe for Keith Wilson and his TPA.
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Thank you so much to everybody in our amazing community who's helping contribute to this.
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Now's the time to dig deep and show the world Alberta means business and that we're ready to get out of Canada.
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It should have been a black paper or something.
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Coming out at the end of the month, now the white paper is going to be different, I understand, from the value of freedom because we were talking about that earlier in the telethon.
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What can people expect out of this white paper when it comes out?
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Well, what the white paper is about is to answer people's questions about what happens after the vote for independence.
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How is it that when people are planning a vacation or a business trip that the airlines still run?
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What happens with the ordinary things that you do every day in your lives?
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How are the continuity of business services, of contracting, of trade?
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So we've got some incredibly smart people that have come forward and helping with the Alberta Transition Council, the white paper.
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It addresses those areas where the federal government currently has a role.
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And, you know, at a certain level, it sounds like a daunting task,
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but it's really not because I've joked in some of my interviews
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that old Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld had an express
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there's known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns.
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We know each of the services and roles that the federal government currently provides.
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We know that they run a passport office, very poorly, I might add.
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We know that they have Customs and Borders agents at the airports and the border crossings.
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So we've identified all of the functions of the federal government.
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so the transition plan is to detail continuity after we vote to become independent it's a
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transition plan to transition alberta from a province into the newest freest most prosperous
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country in the world i like that i like that awesome um i got some questions for you too
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and these are very important questions these are probably some of the most important one
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that don't look at them okay um this is honestly this is i sat down i did i spent time i went
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really serious and very important questions number one pineapple pizza yay or nay yay oh i agreed
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we're gonna break the chat yeah okay well right off the bat okay fail that one uh number two is
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there any time when your tpa will be interested in purchasing a 1990 winnebago driving around
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creepily throughout Alberta doing 4 a.m. purring videos no okay that's a good one okay that's a
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good one how's your TPA reports going excellent it's a huge task especially given the number of
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donors that we have because the elections Alberta went to the Smithsonian Institute
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and hired the computer coders from the 1990s to design their interface.
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So for every single box, you have to do a click, drop down, select, click down.
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But we've filed early every week, and we're going to continue to do that
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because we're not going to let these guys discourage us.
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there it is we're not into fascist pancakes we don't do fascist pancakes here and uh i got a
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last one for you do you like i do believe that john bolton is a vampire uh i hadn't given that
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any thought i hadn't heard that before i think i need to do some research dude never sleeps
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never sleeps dude sleep all right it's 2 45 a.m and it's john here and i've been up for the last
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45 minutes got my big blue mug sometimes you per skin over analyze things i think you've just
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identified the obvious i think it's clear i mean i think there's no other explanation i think it's
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easier the facts are there i think what happens is it's more like hi it's john it's three in the
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morning and i just said something offensive to my wife so i'm in my studio i think that's the way
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it goes but hey we're all doing our part for alberta i think that's great uh mrs fringe i do
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have some questions as well more serious not as good as mine i wrote them down uh critics raise
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fears about national debt share uh currency or military how does the white paper address alberta's
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leverage in negotiations drawing on president presidents like norway sweden um or the velvet
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divorce sorry i got it so there's a couple of questions in there the first one is um how would
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Alberta address the debt in the negotiations for example well that's an open question and it's still
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being worked on and but what we have to keep in mind is a number of factors first of all in terms
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of what how do you calculate what Alberta's share of the debt is do you take into consideration the
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fact that Albertans to date have sent over 300 billion dollars more in tax and
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other contributions to Ottawa then we've received back because of the
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equalization program so throughout the history of equalization here in Alberta
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we've sent 300 billion dollars more to Ottawa then came back to Albertans okay
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So if you give that as a credit, we might not owe anything, right, just from the get-go.
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Another consideration is, well, our tax dollars went to build the new bridge from, relatively new, that goes to PEI.
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They built a garage at Rideau for the governor general, and it was like $3 million or $30 million.
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I've been litigating complex and a lot of high-value cases in my legal career for over 30 years.
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And I'm very experienced in dealing with these kinds of negotiations.
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and what happens is the parties will both come up with a methodology of how to pick the number
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and then the other side says no we don't agree with that this is a better way so
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so it's not clear to me what the number would be but the bottom line is Alberta has a lot of
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strength and that's the second part of your question our negotiating position
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I've negotiated most commonly on behalf of landowners farmers and ranchers against
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multinational oil companies. So I'm used to an underdog position. In this negotiation between
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Alberta and Ottawa, Ottawa's the farmer. We're the oil company. And what I mean by that is
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we are the largest contributor of growth and GDP growth in the country. Our economy is super strong
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and is growing. We keep seeing these announcements like Meta, 13 billion for a data center and all
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these other things. That's the power of our economy when it's restrained with Ottawa with
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its knee on our neck. Imagine what we can do when we get that knee off our neck and we can pursue
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our potential. But more importantly, for those of you who saw my debate, the second public debate
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with former Premier Kenny, he said something during the debate that just shocked me and made
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no sense. He said that if Alberta separates, the federal government might stop the flow
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of oil through the TMX pipeline to Vancouver, as well as through line five and nine to Ontario
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and Quebec. And if anybody was in the room, they would have saw me tilt my head and look very
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puzzled. Because if we stop the flow, if for whatever reason, the flow is interrupted to the
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Burnaby Refinery in Vancouver, they run out of gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel in less than 11
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days. Their economy comes to a screeching halt. Also, I did a detailed analysis and talked to
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experts. The same thing happens to an Ontario. The refineries at Sarnia get our oil. We also
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send different products through. That turns into gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel. You cannot run a
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car plant if the the diesel highway trucks can't fill up with fuel people can't the 401 for once
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will be safe to drive on because there'll be nobody on it um and the Pearson airport will
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function as it seems normally because no planes will go in anywhere because they'll have no jet
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fuel uh and similarly right up into Quebec so uh if if if the federal government wants to be
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hostile and unreasonable and punitive they're going to quickly realize and I think they know
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they're bluffing I think that's why they're putting such effort to counteract the independence
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movement we have phenomenal power in this negotiation and here's another huge fact
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think about this overwhelming majority of our overall economy not just our oil is north-south
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Our largest trading partner, the driver of economy, is the largest economy in the world, which is the largest market in the world, which is the largest market closest to us.
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If we lost the ability to trade with the United States versus lost the ability to trade with Ontario, and you had the ability to choose which one, which one are you picking?
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So we have phenomenal leverage in this negotiation, and I think you're going to see the other side fight even harder, harder in the coming weeks and months to undermine the independence movement.
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All they've got is emotion and fear, because by every objective measure, our kids and grandkids will be way better off in an independent Alberta.
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Absolutely. Yep. And I think they're going to scare us by shutting off the taps, but they're just de-benefiting themselves.
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just yeah i mean the oil it's not it's not like it's bananas no you know like where we sell
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bananas and it's like oh my god they're going to be bad if we can't keep shipping them it's like
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okay fine we'll just it'll still be we'll show you exactly i have one more uh so for the many
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albertans who aren't fully sold on independence yet but feel deeply concerned about their kids
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and grandkids future uh rising costs fewer opportunities and watching alberta's health
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wealth and potential constantly held back by decisions made far away in ottawa what would
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you say to them about why choosing option two on october 19th i was hoping that would happen
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i could open the door to more confident prosperous alberta where our own resources work ethic and
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values finally build the kind of province we all want to pass on well i think we're going to have
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to try and get past the emotion the emotion of the patriotism of the symbolism of canada
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um uh i'm not planning on leaving canada canada left me yes absolutely and um and here's another
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thing we're not actually leaving canada and let me be precise about this because some people might
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misinterpret what i'm saying and get mad at me like you i just saw the fist
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clenched and you're closest so i gotta be really careful uh so let me see if i can get that fist
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unclenched and it's this we're not bringing in concrete cutters and jack
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hammers and and and dollies and house movers to lift Alberta up and move it
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somewhere which is what a lot of people kind of make it sound like that's
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what's happening. Intuitively without thinking about it does seem that way
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we're always going to have British Columbia as our neighbor to the west
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and Saskatchewan and I mean Saskatchewan if we go is gonna come and it's so it'll
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manitoba to the east but what's going to change is our relationship with the rest of canada
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we are exploited we're treated as a colony we have taxation without representation we have taxation
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without representation the laws that are made that affect us that affect the safety of our community
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the delivery of our health care are made in ottawa by politicians we can never elect
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And that will always be the case. That's why Canada is structurally broken and doesn't work for Alberta anymore. So through independence, we're going to redefine our relationship with Canada. We're going to have one where our respect for us will be automatic because we are the wealth creators.
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we're the hard workers we're the entrepreneurs we're the risk takers and we have the third
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largest reserve of oil in the world and we have the small one of the smallest populations
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relative to our oil reserves so if you look at countries in the middle east where the government
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there also owns the oil like the government here in alberta owns the oil um even though they have
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far higher population and not as much oil reserves as us they have no income tax they have free
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health care they have free education it is inevitable that in time if our economy is freed
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and we can supply the oil and gas to the world that so desperately wants it because we get rid
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of these ideologues in in on ontario and quebec and who keep voting in the guys in ottawa who are
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pursuing net zero will be able to create the most prosperous country in the world it's a fact
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yep so how do we change these people's minds who are still on the fence about moving forward
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with independence well you know you have different problems in politics the biggest problem is
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actually getting people to even pay attention to you right it's the you know we could do a little
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survey here and go walk down the street and bump into people and a whole bunch of them wouldn't
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even if you said what's the name of the premier of Alberta they'd go Joe Biden yep you know like
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I don't know what's a premier is that oh is that that soccer team yeah you know so uh and of course
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there's gradients of that so we've at one of the key uh important aspects of our campaign the
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campaign that Tanya and I are leading with Let Alberta Decide, LetAlbertaDecide.com.
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So just to wrap up on this is that our campaign has so many different aspects to it.
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They're all targeted to those different groups.
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So we have a particular method of campaigning that we're unleashing to target that 21-year-old
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who's suddenly realizing how expensive it is to rent his or her apartment
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and going into a grocery store and looking with envy at that jar of pickles
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saying, someday I'm going to be able to afford that baby, right?
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And leaving with so few groceries compared to what they thought
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Looking at their paycheck and seeing how much the gross amount was,
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like what their work was really worth and how much they get
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I've said to some of my nephews who are in their 20s, I said, could you imagine working
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and that top number you keep? And they're like, no way, Uncle Keith, that would be awesome, right?
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So for each of the demographics, for the seniors who are worried about their pensions,
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for, you know, one of the hardest demographics for us to crack is actually parents who are like
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in their 40s and who have kids who are, you know, eight to 12. Yeah, right. And both of them are
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working and have a good income and they go, huh, life's pretty good for me. Why? Why should I take
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the risk? So our campaign is multi-layered, is very dynamic, and it's very professional. And
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we're targeting each one of those groups through different methods. Yes, agreed. Okay. You know,
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and that brings us to a very important point and it's one that I want to address with the audience
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because this is literally what we're discussing is the old phrase that I've been hearing
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for about the last year you can't vote your way out of this Alberta has been given a golden ticket
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in the sense that we finally have the opportunity to show that votes actually matter at least in
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this province and we have the ability to do so the problem we're facing and what we're seeing
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today and the reason for this telethon folks this is our only shot now or never is the only time to
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make the donations please I know times are tough I know people are struggling dig into your pockets
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throw out a donation and I'm going to tell you why I started this YouTube journey a couple of
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years ago back at the height of the pandemic shortly around the times of the freedom convoy
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brought out a little ditty called how the prime minister stole freedom and during the emergency
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Act hearing. I went down to Ottawa. I met Keith Wilson for the first time in Ottawa, which is
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funny given that we live, you know, very close to each other now. But when I sat down in this
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rental that they were staying in, and I talked to Keith and we sat down and he asked what got me
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involved in writing these books or taking a shot at Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. And I told him
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everything that our family had gone through i told him about my kids staring at the tv asking
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are the truckers going to get our lives back tamara leach has quoted that was that was one
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of the times they thought maybe canada could be saved and i'll tell you watching those trucks go
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past uh in manitoba and the cb radio saying thank you truckers for what you're doing with all the
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kids cheering for them i had faith that the nostalgic canada that i once believed in still
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existed that it could be saved and salvaged from this tyrant of a prime minister unfortunately we
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saw how things unfolded. But as I told Keith this story about how my family dealt with the pandemic
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alongside my children losing their grandmother behind a wall because of the way the pandemic
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went, this man after meeting me for less than five minutes shed a tear. He showed emotion and it was
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at that moment I knew that this man, despite what people say about lawyers, was the most trustworthy
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lawyer on the face of the planet. And he is a man that only am I happy to call a friend, but I trust
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his plan i trust all of these tpas and the plans that they have and the best thing you can do right
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now is to reach in support them and support their efforts for alberta support the efforts that
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hundreds and thousands of of volunteers made over the winter while collecting signatures out in the
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freezing cold to ensure that alberta could be free if we don't win the vote october 19th folks
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the whole effort goes to waste it's all for nothing not completely this genie's never going
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back in the bottle but we get one crack at this might as well do it right the first time so head
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over to alberta telethon.com all tpas are listed there reach in whatever you can afford a dollar
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five dollars ten dollars one thousand dollars like we did on the show folks get in there support
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your local tpas wherever you feel your money is going to be best used and help them out let's get
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alberta over the finish line it's our only option right now let's vote our way away from this
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um mike you had uh a few things you wanted to talk about as well yeah a few more questions
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oh i definitely have a few more questions um batman and or superman why both there you go
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why why because they're both awesome and they're superheroes there you go there you go
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names was martha whoa okay okay that's good okay okay we talked about the pipeline stuff uh why
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no signs what's going on with the signs for your tpa um my ford operating base in calgary sending
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me messages lawn signs lawn signs so if you go to our let alberta decide website you will see
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there's an announcement we were putting it on social media today we have three sign locations
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set up for tomorrow at three different points in in calgary you can go to the information it'll
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give you the locations uh very easy to understand we just sent out an email to a couple thousand
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people with that information as well from 10 30 till 1 p.m tomorrow we're doing our small sign
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distribution however if you've driven through calgary one of the things you will have seen
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is that stephen carter has these very strange white and red signs that say he's such a douche
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no to all the questions and he's just data mining lists so he just wants people's names for his
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political party but um we are going to we currently have um a hundred large signs in
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production for for calgary uh we have a sign making team we have a workshop uh we have an
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interesting strategy for how the signs are going to be designed because we're anticipating vandalism
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and uh somebody on my team came up with a brilliant idea which we won't share until we
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you start to see it and we also have volunteer teams that are going to be patrolling the signs
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regularly and what we would like to achieve is that when a sign is vandalized or damaged it will
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be replaced within 24 hours because that will send a message yes when someone drives by here's what
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we want to happen somebody drives by they're an independent supporter they're on the fence and not
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sure about us and they don't think we know what we're doing they all they see is the red and white
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signs now they're going to see these big beautiful blue signs four by eights and they're going to go
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wow, they're up. And then they're going to drive by a few days later, it's going to be vandalized.
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And they're going to, oh, I knew that was going to happen. And then they're going to drive by
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the next day and they're going to go, huh, it's been fixed. And then it's going to get vandalized
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again. And then they're going to drive by again and they're going to go, huh, it's going to be
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fixed. And then they're going to say to themselves, these independence people know what they're doing.
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Yep. And if they know what they're doing on this, maybe actually they got this whole thing right.
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It's a small example, but it's happening. But we do need volunteers. So if you are someone who is
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interested in volunteering with our particular large sign install and repair team and manufacturing
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team, please go to info at letalbertadecide.com. Info, send an email at info at letalbertadecide.com
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and give your name and information and what your skill set is and where you are.
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We're currently going to be branching out the large sign campaign. There's a lot,
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some tricks around the bylaws i'm currently i know a lawyer he's working for free i'm reviewing
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all the sign bylaws right now uh and uh so once we know where we can and can't put signs we're
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going to try and put them up in your hometown sir uh madam and uh and as well as grand prairie
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lloyd minster red deer lethbridge medicine hat all the major regional centers and to start showing
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the support and you know we've all experienced the fear that people have and that in itself is
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a remarkable testament to how things have gone off track in Canada that you need to be fearful
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of showing your political affiliation but the bigger signs on where legally they can be put
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on common property on public property are safer because you know you're not going to have a
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repercussion of putting it outside your home so there's so many people that want to put them on
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their home but they're they're concerned about it so this overcomes that to show the level of
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support but we're also doing a lot more than signs uh we're we're going to be doing some
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really interesting stuff that's already in the works awesome good good stuff good stuff is that
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not the perfect analogy for alberta either right something gets pushed back by vandalism and we
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just come back stronger and we show that we can take the hits and keep moving forward i love it
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That's the way this movement's been run, folks.
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And you guys have shown that with people getting cigarettes put out on their faces, coffee thrown at them, events shut down and canceled.
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Like a hydra, you cut off one head, we keep coming back stronger.
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I think it's safe to say we're winning this fight.
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Keith, I know Nat and the guy kind of beat us to the punch earlier, but Tanya answered the question, so I want to ask you.
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what are you most hopeful for with an independent alberto what what what keeps you motivated to get
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an independent alberto what's the keith wilson sales pitch well i i know the entrepreneurial
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spirit of albertans i know our work ethic i see it this uh you know if life something knocks you
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down brush yourself up stand stand up and keep going and it's true it's from our roots it's
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people who have who that approach to life uh appeals to them end up here it doesn't you don't
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have to be from alberta to admire that that that work ethic that cultural characteristic
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so you combine that with some really simple things we have incredible institutional infrastructure
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in place you know some people say I think the premier did and I was very
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disappointed when she did and if she didn't others have said it which is oh
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well it's going to be very expensive to build all of these things from scratch
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we're not building anything from scratch already here it's already here do you
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think the people we know I don't have to be hypothetical we know that the people
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who currently work at the passport office want to keep their job yeah we
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know the people that meet us at the airports that have the blue uniforms on
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and say borders and customs agency they want to keep their job they already know
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how to do it as well exactly so we want them to be able to go if independence
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occurs on a Tuesday I want them to go to the job on Wednesday and do the exact
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same thing they did on Tuesday and over time we will the new government of
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Alberta will improve things but let me give a more of a concise answer to your
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question um we have everything here that is needed to create the freest most prosperous
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place in the world and the only reason it is not happening is we have no control over our future
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we are ruled by ottawa they use us they abuse us they reach into our pocket they misuse the
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spending of money and they're ideologically opposed to us and they want to hold us back
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and they are holding us back and they have been holding us back we have achieved the greatest
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economic growth in canada the greatest number of job creation and the greatest level of investment
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despite being pinned down with ottawa's knee on our neck so that future for my kids grandkids and
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yours of getting Ottawa off of our neck is uh something that brings joy to me and it's completely
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achievable and I think we're gonna get there yep oh yeah so what you're saying is is in an
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independent Alberta we wouldn't have 160,000 dollar food flights or braised beef and luxury
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butter I don't even know what luxury butter is right I uh I see butter yeah I don't even know
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I worked in government in the late 90s when Ralph Klein was premier
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and he was going through a period of extreme cutbacks.
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And we went from having lunch meetings where catered food was coming in
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with fresh fruit shish kebabs and chocolate-jipped strawberries,
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i kid you not to lunch meeting no food bring a bag lunch and we all literally showed up with a
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brown bag and nobody complained we didn't complain and uh uh the waste that occurs in government is
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off the scale because it's not their money they don't care they're spending your money yep you
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know it was one thing my father always said because we moved to alberta in 1995 we lived in alberta
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my father was transferred out to manitoba moved back in 95 10 years later and when we came out
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i was a teenager and i asked him why are we uprooting our lives and going out to alberta
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of all places to meet me and well that was one of them but but you know what he told me at the time
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was alberta was booming it was the mid 90s the oil boom was huge entrepreneurs were coming in
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home business startups were at a highly successful rate and he said alberta's the one province in the
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country that you can make a name for yourself and that you can get ahead no
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matter how high you want to go as long as you're willing to get your hands dirty
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and put in an honest day's work if you're looking for a job you can find a
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job within a day and if you want to work your way up a corporate ladder they will
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train you they will actually help you get ahead because they want to invest in
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their own people and at 15 years old I didn't appreciate that but as I grew
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throughout the provinces I spent my time in Alberta that rang true up until
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about the early 2000s once we started getting governments in that wanted nothing more to do
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than to use their names like a nascar driver to give contracts to their friends scandalous spending
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trudeau happened we all saw how things went there i think it's very adherent at this point
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that alberta understand those days can come back when i talked earlier about the sentiment of what
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canada used to be if you were in alberta anytime before the year 2000 following the national
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energy program seeing those booming years that can return tenfold in alberta under a new republic
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when you think about the teachers who are protesting right now saying we need a raise we
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need more money we need smaller classrooms how many schools could we build without the bureaucracy
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of the federal government and red tape with the billions we're not sending in transfer payments
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how fast could we build those schools how many teachers would be clawing their way into alberta
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to get a job because they're no longer paying federal income tax or gst same thing with hospitals
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doctors how many doctors would love an extra 30 percent on their paychecks i see mike's note
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their age benefit would benefit as well you look at age and adap those on disabilities could finally
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start getting real funding and those who are taking advantage of the system folks they would
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be removed yeah we would have a brand new program the prosperous nation of alberta would be a true
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marvel to behold i think people from all over the world let alone canada would be flowing in at an
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alarming rate we would have to vet who's coming in but nonetheless as nice as that sounds nice to
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just vet people who are coming in the the idea of an independent alberta for the last year ever
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since i watched pierre polyev lose the federal election i was pro pierre i thought finally we
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had a chance things can change uh i was shown very quickly that uh the government can kind of
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set the system how they want it to in order to win their elections there is no hope when it comes to
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being on that carousel now if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over
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and hoping for different results now's the time we do something different again now's the time to
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donate head over to albertatelephone.com yes make your donations support a free and independent
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Alberta one of the things I do worry about throw you a 20 every time you say donate
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donate now uh one of the things i do worry about keith uh that we hear a lot being discussed not
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only in the house of commons on the media on the news is uh we know bruce party's been talking about
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a lot the clarity act now we've seen the dust getting kicked up in the house of commons when
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they talked about 50 plus one we saw and it's unbelievable folks it wasn't on my bingo card
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that quebec would come to alberta's defense absolutely but when they start talking about
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clarity act when they start talking about can alberta actually leave i've heard many people
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saying i think it's going to come down to a unilateral declaration of independence we don't
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feel that ottawa would honor the clarity act we feel that this would get drawn out where do you
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see things going with the clarity act and uh do you think it's going to take a unilateral declaration
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in order for us to get out so what we need to understand is that it was in 1998 that the
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supreme court of canada released its decision and by that i mean the succession reference case that
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laid out the pathway for a province to vote on a clear question with a clear majority and then
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that triggers a duty of good faith negotiation and the province can become an independent country
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1998 in the year 2000 the liberal government brought in the clarity act so the supreme
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Supreme Court of Canada laid out this roadway and put bridges on it and overpasses and so on
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to make it all possible, a legal constitutional pathway. What happened with the Clarity Act
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is it put barriers and roadblocks and detours in place. But the day after the Clarity Act was
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passed in the parliament in the year 2000 um the quebec general assembly passed bill 99
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and what bill 99 was the quebec government saying bugger off ottawa we're going to follow the
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supreme court of canada decision your clarity act is unconstitutional you don't get to decide
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whether a question is clear you don't get to decide whether or not it's a clear majority
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That's not what the Supreme Court of Canada said.
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The Supreme Court of Canada trumps the Parliament, which is a basic fact you learn in first-year law school.
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So they said, away with you, Ottawa, we're not going to follow it.
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Bill 99 was challenged and upheld in the Superior Court and the Court of Appeal in Quebec.
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So when you referred to a moment ago how Quebec came to our defence,
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which was about a month ago when the Prime Minister said,
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well, this referendum question in Alberta is going to have to be referred to the parliament,
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the stream of Quebec politicians, both federally and provincially,
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came to the podiums and held press conferences and says,
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You have the right to democratic self-determination.
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They even said, one of the Quebec politicians said,
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that it was a federal government overreach and authoritarianism and she was correct okay so
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the reality is is that the to the extent that the clarity act is inconsistent with the supreme
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court of canada decision which it is in many respects and to the extent that it purports
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to give exclusive control and sort of veto power to ottawa it's unconstitutional
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That's the approach that Quebec took back in 2000, and that's still the law there.
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So what I think should happen here, you've interviewed the premier, Premier Smith, and she's talked about her Sovereignty Act here and defending Alberta sovereignty within Canada.
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And that legislation, which I publicly supported and defended her when she introduced it many years ago, is there's a mechanism in there where the legislature here in Alberta can pass a resolution when they believe the federal government's intruding into provincial jurisdiction.
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This would be a perfect opportunity for the Premier to demonstrate her commitment to basic democratic principles, Alberta's sovereignty, follow Quebec's footsteps, pass a resolution in the legislature in the next session saying Albertans will decide whether the question is clear.
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Albertans will decide whether there's a clear majority, not Ottawa.
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so to go to the final point that you raised um uh the legal obligation is of the federal government
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and the provinces to enter into good faith negotiations after a vote on a clear question
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with a clear majority if we will invite them the alberta government will invite them into those
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negotiations if they say oh no no we can't come because we haven't passed a resolution in the
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parliament under the claret act we say the meeting still next tuesday we will be there and if they
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don't show up then we say that's bad faith and they say oh we want a court interpretation we say
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that's bad faith if you've got an obligation to negotiate in good faith and we give them a period
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of days just like I would in a litigation negotiation I'm not going to play silly bugger
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forever with the other side I'm going to say all right you got 60 days or you got 90 days or you
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got 30 days and then we would reach a point I think the negotiation should take 90 days
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because all of the things that we need to take over are known yeah right and the work of the
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transition council we're identifying all those things we're preparing term sheets and other
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things to help with the negotiations to shorten the timeline i think at some point the the the
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government of alberta after the vote will say um will say you've got 30 days if we don't reach a
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deal if you don't engage in good faith negotiations we're going to use paragraph 155 of the supreme
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Court of Canada decision, we're going to issue a unilateral declaration of independence for
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the new country of Alberta. And where do you suppose that would lead us? Because a lot of
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people, and they're going to say it, it goes to MAGA, it goes to the United States. Do you think
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President Trump at that point, or any country around the world, would come up, call Mark Carney
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and say, well, you know, I got to be honest, you know, that Alberta government, they're really
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something, okay, and they just call the unilateral declaration of independence, they're one of them.
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so we're going to recognize alberta do you think that's going to happen or do you think that
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uh we're going to have more tumbleweeds to get over before alberta can break away
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no i think it's going to happen right away okay because government's an artificial construct
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nice right i mean try and touch it they can't sit here in this room i can touch this
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yeah i can touch this fine man but that'll cost there there you go that's i got money
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donate so the point point is is that i think um i think the negotiations once we if we negotiate
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from our true position of strength which respectfully is not something the premier
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has done to date she went into this negotiation over this pipeline like if she was in a poker
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game and she barely had a pair of twos and the fact of the matter is she had three aces and two
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Kings phenomenal leverage so back to your specific question I think what will
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happen if they're gonna be vindictive you know Peter Lougheed when he was
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prime when he was premier and was getting frustrated with with the the
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Liberals in Ottawa the the federal government he announced that the
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government of Alberta if the federal government didn't come to the table
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would reduce the flow would reduce didn't actually do it would reduce the
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flow of nine line and five by 15 percent and they came to the table and they
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amended the Constitution and put in section 92a which by the way the federal
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government completely ignores and overrides right now so it didn't achieve
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much but that's the structural problem my point is if they really want to be
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mean and unfair and vindictive we have phenomenal leverage we can play we have
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direct control over whether or not two major sources of the canadian economy can carry on
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tomorrow which is the supply of energy to their to their localities so i i think we have tremendous
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strength um i cannot see a circumstance you know somebody said oh well the canadian government
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would send in the army well all right i mean let's just assume i know they're all the cannons
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i know okay we'd all put on safety glasses because they might throw tampons at us i get it you could
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get an abrasion on your eye um but assume they we actually had an army that hadn't been destroyed
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like the liberals have um like what are they going to do other than you know arrest me you know like
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are they going to arrest you too like are they going to arrest i don't know i'm guessing with
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my luck they probably would yeah so yeah gulag we go baby i'll be calling you keith yeah and i'm
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doing i'm doing black market tattoos you know and remember this this is super important for
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everybody to remember um is that in september of 2025 prime minister kearney announced that
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the government of canada was giving international recognition to the unilateral declaration of the
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state of palestine of nationhood they don't even define boundary at least alberta has a defined
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boundary, a defined people, a defined culture, and a defined economy. So he's refreshed and
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renewed the concept that an identifiable region can invoke paragraph 155 of the Supreme
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Canada decision and declare, engage in, make a unilateral declaration of independence. And you
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know that the Americans and President Trump's going to say, well, Prime Minister, you remember
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you did this in September 2025. I'm doing it now. You did it back then. I don't like that you did
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and you know the next country to recognize will no doubt be israel and there's at least 20 other
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countries that are going to recognize and the most important country to recognize us is our
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largest customer in the largest economy of the world that we supply the most of things to and
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not just oil and we know they're going to so we're in a tremendous position of strength and i think
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what will happen is we'll enter into a bilateral agreement with the rest of canada for mobility and
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trade i have a son in vancouver i still want to travel to vancouver people are gonna bc we ship
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30 billion dollars worth of oil through the tmx pipeline they ship 50 billion 50 billion dollars
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worth of goods through alberta on our highways and rail lines you know i got a question about that
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why are we paying a toll to get our oil over there and they're not paying anything to transport
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through alberta equivalent if they put a one dollar toll on the pipeline that would be an
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equivalent toll on one of the containers you know the container ships that come
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in from Asia that unload at Prince Rupert and and Vancouver 80% of those
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containers which is 900,000 of them an equivalent value for us to to do a
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reciprocal toll would be nine hundred dollars per container so that would be
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like eight hundred million dollars a year just on their container traffic if
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they want to play the toll game yeah let's play let's play let exactly we'll
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all be rolling in the dough so uh we it's so weird how well at least our governments have
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and maybe albertans have we think we're the underdog in this somehow we think that we've
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somehow maybe we need to apologize and beg we literally go to ottawa please sir may we work
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harder and generate more wealth so we can give more of it to you and you can tax us harder we've
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been treated as such for so long and all the other provinces think we are as well yeah and and we have
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so much strength so much inherent natural strength and it's time for us to exercise it
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I don't want to treat any other province unfairly I want to have adults in the room having a fair
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and respectful discussion that's what we can achieve that's what we're going to achieve
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and that's one of the things I always try to sell home on on the independence talk was that
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you know people say well you're landlocked no we're not people say oh you'd lose all your
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trade with Canada no they need us it's all that changes folks and this is why
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we keep pushing the easy conversation with your neighbors your friends
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everybody else the status quo is all that changes so it comes down to is your
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life better when it was five years ago ten years ago could it be better can
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Alberta do better Keith has said it before everyone said it before the
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answer plain and simple folks is yes let me ask you this though because when it
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comes to the negotiations and my audience asks a lot who would be upholding those negotiations
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because I'm not going to nitpick at Danielle Smith or get into the gossip circle about her
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but a lot of people have been disappointed with her actions when there was a post that was out
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recently where people said I missed the old Danielle yeah and there was a clip showing her
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talking about our sovereignty about Ottawa overstepping and at one point in time I felt
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like this is our female Ralph Klein our female Peter Lougheed that's going to really stick the
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nails to Ottawa. And we've seen a 180 when it comes to the MOUs and even the formation of this
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question. Now, I have no problem with the question because I think it's fair. We poll all of Alberta.
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Do you actually want to leave? But when it comes to the negotiations, if Danielle Smith is in charge
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of those negotiations, is she going to kick the can down the road? Or is there a higher power over
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Danielle Smith with a successful vote to leave that can say, no, you're obligated to get us out
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here well there's a couple things there first of all um significantly what the premier said when
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she's been asked is that when she's been asked what she will do if albertans do decide to leave
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and she has said she will respect the will of the people and suggested that she would facilitate
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those negotiations right um and you talk about a higher power there is one it's called the
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electorate no politician has any power they derive their power from each one of us from each x that
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we put from each hour that we volunteer from each position we take on a constituency association
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board from each donation that we make from each door knocking that we do from each sign that we
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put up during an election campaign that's where their power comes from and if enough albertans
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speak and and and i think increasing number of albertans are discovering our worth our value
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And I think the leader of the province will reflect that.
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We need to take a strong position because we have a strong position.
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We will take a fair position, but that's not what's been happening to date.
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It's unrecognizable respectfully that a UCP government would support this agreement.
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It involves $40 billion of taxpayer money for the pipeline, for which no oil company has announced they will produce anything to put in it.
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The 10% interest by Pemina pipelines is not even a cash interest.
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this agreement entrenches net zero our government just signed an agreement agreeing to net zero
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yeah and nobody else no other country no we're the only ones suckered into it yeah and there's
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no market for it nobody in asia or the united states which is the markets possibly some foolish
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countries in europe might pay more but that's not what we're planning on sending anything because
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that's not how the whole market flows work for oil so it's remarkable what's happened you know
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the stampede events and announcements were complete flip you mentioned 180 it's 180 yeah
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it's not 10 degrees off course that's where it's reversing the hard idea of understanding this like
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if the pipelines that mark carney is supposedly offering which will never get built by the way
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are so fantastic why does it take the government investing in them to get them done why aren't
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companies investing. Why aren't we getting private investors? Because they're bogus.
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They're non-profitable. No company would invest in something that's going to be a money pit.
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Let me drive a really important point home while we're on this. So I've just described
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$40 billion for the pipeline. We know it's going to be way more than that. They've got to build a
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port facility. Could you imagine the huge tank farm? And go on Google Earth and look at where
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the Tawasin Ferry is, the Roberts Bank, and then it's the airport, and then it's Stanley Park and
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stuff. The protests and everything to stop that tank farm there are going to be off the scale.
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There's a First Nations right there. But let's assume it gets built, $40 billion, then $25 billion
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for pathways. All of this is around $70 billion once you round up a little bit. Just to put that
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in perspective, because we keep hearing about billions here, billions there. The entire budget
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of Alberta for delivering health care, education, our transportation, our roads, our bridges,
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our LRTs, all of the things that the province delivers is $70 billion.
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We have an affordability crisis in Canada because it's been driven by inflation through
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out-of-control government spending, ridiculous taxation.
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This pipeline announcement makes all of those things worse.
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All of these agreements that have been announced, including the Pathways Agreement from last Monday, are non-binding.
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Its leadership needs to have an honest look in the mirror.
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And they need to say, all right, maybe we didn't get this right, and fix it before they sign the binding agreements and commit all of us.
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There's only one taxpayer to $70 billion of wasted money.
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even more reason to support the cause to donate today well i'll tell you what folks keith hit it
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on the nail or the nail on the head when he said it's going to take a leader it is going to take
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absolutely i don't know but i think there's i know a lawyer over here when you guys are done
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this like we will be throwing money at keith wilson like a cheap stripper look i've already
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said this guy's available i've already said okay put put put put fake keith down we're not using
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He's going to lead us over the finish line, folks.
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And all of these TPAs are going to get us over the finish line.
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We want these TPAs flush with cash to ensure not only Keith, not only Tanya, not only Kathy Flett, not only Jason Levine, not only Corey Morgan, all of them.
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All of them can get us over the finish line when it comes to the October 19th vote.
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65 K there we go let's go I want to see six figures by the end of the hour is this included
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like by the end of the telethon there we go that's how I like to hear six seven dance dance
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now as we wrap up here folks we're going to be heading back to Airdrie for uh back to Calgary
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is it going back to Calgary for Max and John um I thought it was going sorry my bad I thought it
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was going into Paul's Pizza uh Max and John will be headed back to Calgary John had to get back to
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his lair i think back to his lair back coughing yeah he's he's taking all that money and running
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i think no i'm joking uh folks please albertatelfon.com reach in donate now uh do what you
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can to help out every dollar helps uh i want to thank keith wilson for joining us in studio
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tonight he's been busy as hell folks but it's good to have him in here uh everybody for setting
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this up and john bolton everybody for joining today it's it's been amazing the incredible work
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everybody has done wow um amazing this was slapped together in such fashion folks and and it's very
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heartwarming to see not only our youtube community but the multiple youtube communities coming
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together uh ensuring that these cpas are and everybody behind the scenes making sure it went
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as smoothly as it possibly max critical compass everybody that's been behind there john for
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putting this on even though i still think he's a vampire but that's time he is and uh keith
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wilson for joining us this is huge we got the boss man himself guys donate to all the tpa's
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el presidente of alberta questionable questionable pizza choice i'll do his speeches for him i welcome
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el presidente has spoken how many medals can we get on his chest there will be no more mous no
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more wacky pipelines we're just gonna get our leverage in place remember this momentum is power
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in politics and we know who has the momentum we know who's gonna win yes alberta can do better
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folks show it in numbers let's go better let's go
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you stood on those stone cold govern steps faith and freedom loud and clear
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fold in chairs and town hall stages spoke the truth they came to hear
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They stood in line for hours, braved the cold and wind
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You talked about their children and the mess we're living in
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From the back row of the hall to the front row of the fight
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You said if they're gonna hear us, it's gonna be tonight
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So that's gonna be the battle cry for our movement
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Every name like gasoline, kicking up that rebel choir
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Let me shake your hand, thank you for your time
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That's what the whole thing with all these events are for
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People understand that they're part of a group of like-minded people
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That think and have the same ambitions and goals as they have
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Slow roll down from Edmonton, high beams cutting through
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Northbound up from Calgary, every small town waiting on you
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Truck stop, coffee cooling between petitions in the rain
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we've gotten by round three now we're in the stanley cup final and away we go thank you very
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much god bless all of you for alberta and i raise this one to you this one's for you
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all righty now i'm enjoying my internet people finally are we back we're back back in the house
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welcome welcome back it's good to be here john bolton with you 11 hours after i was on earlier
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this morning and it is really uh really great to see you again it's been a long day but i'll tell
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you it has been an exciting day i'd like to thank everybody that made a donation today i really
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appreciate it and there's still time to go we've got another hour of the telethon we will be
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throwing it back to paul's pizza shortly i'm going to be heading out there with my wife and all the
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people that have gathered out at paul's pizza and if you want to go out you still got some time
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and i'd love to see you there first off before i move on to paul's you can make a donation
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albertatelethon.com as fringe said let's get the numbers up we can still raise money generally
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telethons make more money at the uh during the evening and if you're out there and haven't made
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a donation albertatelethon.com pick one of the tpas third-party advertisers and make a donation
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now before i move on i want to i want to thank some people but i want to thank the guy beside me
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you know i said on a video i did earlier this morning on my channel that max is like share
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prince and madonna most people don't know his last name it's just max and everybody knows max
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i have to tell you i have to tell you that this would have been impossible without max
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and jagger gustafson jagger for giving us this remarkable space we're in right now uh coming
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over here helping out with the technology but this guy right here was running around this afternoon
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and doing amazing work for about six, seven hours yesterday.
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He was sweating buckets running back and forth to get us back on.
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You've been running around this province for, what, a year?
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Going to every damn place in this province.
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yeah and I also want to thank everybody who were watching
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John Bolton was saying, who has been driving all over the place,
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on many, countless oil changes, gas, and everything.
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What I can tell you is that in order to organize something like a town hall,
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The website, by the way, albertatelethon.com, will live on until October the 19th.
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Yeah, so just to give you an understanding, because we see all those numbers, those like
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$65,000 and all those numbers that you see there, just to give some perspective, for
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instance, if you organize, if when Let's Talk Alberta organized their town hall meetings,
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their costs can go anywhere from $5,000 to $8,000, just one town hall meeting.
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So when those guys from, let's say, Let's Talk Alberta decided to do a town hall meeting,
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When Jaycee Levine decides to do a town hall meeting, there are some costs attached to that.
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Even if you bring speakers from the outside, you have to bring people, like you have to pay hotels, even their planes, gas money, all those things add up.
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So you can easily get $5,000, $7,000 just for one town hall meeting.
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So that's why it's important, as we are going through this process prior to October 19, to contribute as generous as possible.
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Some people told me that who work at the government, even, who are not going to attend a town hall meeting because they fear about getting the loss to lose their jobs.
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there are people who are on one who cannot just seem the reason why I'm doing those livestreams
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because I got people who tell me in part that they cannot you can't come they can't come because they
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if they're if their boss or their or their family found out that they were in an independence town
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hall they're gonna get they're gonna get they're gonna lose their jobs I've seen people who lose
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their job just simply attending a town hall meeting. I've seen people that were discarding
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their families for the same reason, families raking apart because of that. So a lot of
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the challenge that we have here as a community is to pass those barriers, in fact. But I
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can tell you from the money perspective, it takes a lot of money to organize events like
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What Keith Wilson was saying is that we're going to do this,
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going to protect the signs, going to replace the signs.
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So when I see 65,000 people, $65,000 from, let's, what's the name?
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I really think that this money will be gone in a month.
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That's the importance to contribute to Alberta, Telton and all those TPAs.
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If you can't contribute right now, find somebody who can
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because the uphill bottom that we have is incredibly insane.
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So we lost the stream because of an internet outage.
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But we've seen places where we have people who are legitimately physically attacking canvassers, who are attacking physical infrastructure, like power lines and stuff.
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Like I think with Jeff Radd, sometimes they lose power and they were still counting.
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And we had an attack in Red Deer last night where they wrote traitor on a sign and broke some windows.
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Yeah, so the attacks are going to unfortunately continue as part of the game as far as I'm concerned.
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and that's why we need to focus on contributing to those CPS
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because that is, in fact, the world's chest as well, too.
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I want to thank you, everybody, for organizing.
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and patiently waiting for the streams to kick in
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and I want to thank you, John, for organizing all of this.
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and yeah there's a lot of work that gets that's seen around behind the scenes that you don't see
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necessarily this is just the public facing side of things but obviously this is the private facing
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ones so well thank you very much for watching and i'll see you next time and i'm going to
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post pizza in energy so yeah so i would like i'd like to thank all the hosts um i i said early this
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morning that I asked people if they would be part of this and every one of them said yes immediately
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nobody said I'll get back to you they all said yes every one of them all the people that were on
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today they said yes as well and it's been just such a joy working with these people we are so
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blessed to know the people who are on here today but I think every one of us that were on this
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stream today i think max would agree that we're blessed to know you yeah because you're part of
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our movement we would like to say thank you for contributing there's still time uh we need to win
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this thing and we're going to need more money and more money and more money it's hard to say that
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but when it comes to politics really money really does do the talking so if you can continue to
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contribute albertatelethon.com is up right now we still got an hour left we're heading to paul's
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pizza maybe you want to meet us out there we're going right now my friend max thank you very much
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thank you so much and we will talk to you again soon see ya my artistic or my internet autistic
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friends i always keep saying all the time i always say that thanks guys thank you