John Bolton - July 19, 2026


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In this episode, I sit down with author Dennis Calma to discuss his new book, "The Value of Freedom" and how he got into the independence movement. We talk about how he came to write the book, why he decided to write a book, and why he chose to write it.

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00:00:00.000 sovereignty referendum that changes everything suddenly alberta is not begging to be heard
00:00:08.960 we'd be negotiating from a position of strength for the first time in our history
00:00:14.960 and when that happens when we vote yes to sovereignty ottawa will listen i'm told
00:00:21.760 constantly on my channel fringe there is no way you can vote your way out of this mess
00:00:27.140 I beg to differ.
00:00:31.860 Alberta, you've been handed a golden ticket.
00:00:34.020 You've been given a golden opportunity.
00:00:36.000 You've said for years,
00:00:37.420 your vote has no weight in the federal elections.
00:00:41.120 Our Senate is unrepresented. 1.00
00:00:43.940 Our votes just put bums in chairs. 1.00
00:00:46.720 Well, that was some amazing footage from the legislature. 0.86
00:00:50.540 And I would like to give a shout out and a thank you 0.99
00:00:52.800 to caroline richards for that coon that she gave us that was absolutely amazing it's berta proud
00:00:59.140 dad ladies and gentlemen how is everybody doing and what an honor it is to have dennis calma with
00:01:04.920 me uh for this next hour on the telethon and uh you guys might know dennis from from his book
00:01:12.380 co-author or principal author the value of freedom and uh you know it's it's it's it's
00:01:19.760 important to remember when we're doing you know something like this today how we all got here
00:01:25.200 right how we all decided to get to this position you know it wasn't very long ago that I was
00:01:30.580 championing Pierre Polyev in Battle River Crowfoot and going up against people like Grant Abraham and
00:01:36.520 and you know I really thought that we could fix this country come January I decided to to make a
00:01:42.160 little shift when I started seeing people cross the floor and I'd seen that before it's not like
00:01:46.420 hadn't seen it before, Dennis. But, you know, that was really the final straw for me. And I always
00:01:52.000 like to ask people what was their line and what was your line? So I've been an independence or
00:01:58.420 someone very unhappy how Canada was running for a number of years. And my solution at some point
00:02:04.520 was to say, OK, it's time for me to leave. I'll leave in retirement and away I go. But then Pierre
00:02:09.740 came on the scene and I thought, hey, this guy's going to get in. He's going to win. Should be no
00:02:14.400 problem he can start undoing the mess that we were in and then we had that wonderful election
00:02:19.040 there in april last year and he lost and we literally had no influence and i saw if there
00:02:25.860 was any chance for pierre at all that it was gone and probably gone forever if pierre couldn't get
00:02:31.760 in with all of his popularity how on earth could anyone else ever get in so i got mad and i was
00:02:37.300 just on x for the first time and i saw jeff rath go by you know on various posts and he's i thought
00:02:44.320 that makes sense i like what he's saying and this is good and jeff's quite a forceful speaker so
00:02:49.440 that was good so i pinged him i chatted with him and said hey you need some help i'm willing to
00:02:53.680 help anyway i can he says well i've ever written a business plan i said sure dozens of them when
00:02:59.280 i was an executive at a bunch of different countries around the world he's okay can you
00:03:03.520 give it a shot so i said okay and we started writing the value of freedom
00:03:07.520 well and that went on for about six weeks of heavy-duty writing and analysis and so forth
00:03:12.880 primarily jeff and i he did a lot of the policy work i did mainly the analytics and the numbers
00:03:17.600 and uh at that point i was committed and just keep on going yeah yeah and that that's the thing
00:03:21.920 like it's important to remind people that you know they like to label us in this independence
00:03:27.120 movement that we're just a bunch of rednecks right that's what they like to say and that's fine
00:03:30.960 whatever they can say what they want but i'm a red seal heavy duty mechanic that's what i am
00:03:35.280 um what's your background i'm a theoretical physicist by training so i got a degree in
00:03:41.120 physics and um i spent my life uh primarily dealing with organizations under stress long
00:03:49.360 story i won't bore you with how i got from physics to that but effectively i was a guy that dropped
00:03:53.560 in when a large project or an organization was failing and they brought me in to try and fix
00:03:58.900 stuff one of the things you have to do when you try and fix stuff is figure out what's wrong and
00:04:02.980 write a plan to get out of it a business plan or some sort of major project plan so that's the
00:04:07.820 background that got me here. And that's the one that I'm sticking with.
00:04:11.820 Yeah. And that's the whole point, right? So, we all come from different
00:04:16.340 walks of life. So, like myself, a mechanic, you, physicists,
00:04:20.200 that's crazy. That's awesome. I've never talked to a
00:04:24.260 physicist in my life. This is the first time. But, you know, I know other
00:04:28.100 mechanics. I know doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers. I know, you know, this independence
00:04:32.140 movement really is full of a bunch of people that just want
00:04:36.340 what's best for their province and and they're seeing it so I recently just became a grandfather
00:04:41.080 ah right thank you and that gave me another reason to fight right it was like a whole new thing like
00:04:48.200 I was fighting for my kids before and now there's another reason and I like to talk about not just
00:04:52.860 the floor crossing what brought me over to independence it's I like to remind people of
00:04:57.340 this when Stephen Harper back in 2015 left left office he left Canada with about a 590 billion
00:05:03.220 debt. That's what we had. And that was from 1867 to 2015. We accrued that debt. Now we're sitting
00:05:11.320 at $1.3 trillion in 11 years. So we more than doubled that debt. If we keep going under the
00:05:17.500 current spending, and people, you can look this up. I'm not pulling this out of my ass. You can 0.99
00:05:22.280 look this up. If we go under this current spending, $1.3 trillion is going to balloon up to $3 trillion
00:05:27.000 under Mark Carney. And what does that do for Alberta? Well, that's the thing I think people
00:05:32.820 are not talking enough about. There's people who rightly say, oh, there's risks about becoming
00:05:38.320 independent and things that have to be done to get us as an independent country. And that's all
00:05:43.360 true. There are risks and there are things that have to be completed. More about that later,
00:05:48.240 by the way. But they neglect to take into account what happens if we stay. And the answers are not
00:05:55.620 pretty at all. First of all, we're seeing no end of laws and acts aimed primarily at curtailing
00:06:02.080 alberta industry but also other industries we see a reduction of our freedoms we see no end of
00:06:09.160 prosecution of pick on tamara leach going after people for doing things that at worst should be
00:06:15.000 a minor uh minor charge and you see all this stuff going on and then to your point exactly
00:06:20.640 and then we're going to spend ourselves into penury at some point and if you read history 0.66
00:06:25.940 for example the weimar republic from the 30s they effectively spent their country into oblivion 0.69
00:06:31.340 and opened the door for an extremist
00:06:33.320 that we all know is Adolf Hitler.
00:06:35.100 Now, no one wants that to happen, 0.89
00:06:36.800 but the point is the country is bankrupting itself
00:06:39.360 one buck at a time,
00:06:41.160 one borrowed billion at a time,
00:06:42.720 one more donation to some cause overseas at a time.
00:06:46.580 If we don't stop it,
00:06:48.260 Canada will be in the crapper
00:06:49.400 and we'll be in the crapper with it.
00:06:51.360 And you know what?
00:06:52.580 That's a very good point.
00:06:53.440 We're already there.
00:06:54.040 I just got to interrupt one second,
00:06:55.580 talk to our producer here.
00:06:56.520 We're getting people saying
00:06:58.060 that he's a little bit quiet.
00:06:59.160 So if we could fix his audio, that would be awesome.
00:07:02.900 There we go.
00:07:03.560 Let us know, guys, if that is working better.
00:07:06.180 That would be awesome.
00:07:07.580 As well as since I took this little break, let's make sure we're sharing this out.
00:07:12.440 This is out on every single influencer on the independent side, most of our platforms.
00:07:18.100 If you're sitting at home right now and you're watching, share it to your groups.
00:07:21.640 Share this out because this is truly about the third-party advertisers today.
00:07:25.760 We're raising money for the third-party advertisers.
00:07:27.900 And I want to get into that with you.
00:07:29.820 Those are the boots on the ground people.
00:07:31.840 These are the people doing the work.
00:07:33.620 And if you're looking at mainstream news, CTV, CBC, Global, they have a lot of money.
00:07:41.020 Unlimited funds, they're funded by the government, over a billion dollars per year.
00:07:45.760 1.4 billion, I believe, or 1.6 and 1.4 goes to CBC.
00:07:50.640 These third-party advertisers, they need our help.
00:07:53.380 as as alberta independent supporters as people sitting at home right now people sitting right
00:07:57.640 here i'm just gonna i'm gonna say this quick um danny bucks just came out danny dollars so if you
00:08:04.000 guys oh sorry wrong one one second if you guys applied for your danny dollars and and got your
00:08:09.960 hundred dollars ladies and gentlemen your hundred bucks for the proud dad got his hundred bucks i
00:08:16.140 didn't apply for danny dollars so i'm just donating a hundred bucks but i know danny dollars just came
00:08:20.000 out. This is going to go to Jason Levine's TPA. That's what I'm going to give this one to. I've
00:08:25.020 donated to some other TPAs, but this one's going to go to Jason's today. He's on next with Marty.
00:08:29.260 So stick around for that. So what is the importance of these TPAs? They are absolutely critical.
00:08:35.160 And because of all the silly restrictions put on the amount of spending, we're going to need many
00:08:39.940 of them. That's why we don't have one big one. And TPAs are each developing their own personality.
00:08:45.840 So there's ones that want to pursue cities.
00:08:48.460 There's ones that want to pursue, for example, door knocking.
00:08:52.320 There's other ways of approaching it.
00:08:54.820 But we need many of them pulling it together.
00:08:56.780 But all of them cost money.
00:08:58.660 We've got lots of volunteer labor, lots of people willing to help and put in their time, like myself.
00:09:03.480 But at some point, there's things that cost money.
00:09:05.200 You want to run advertisements.
00:09:06.560 You want to buy flags.
00:09:08.140 You want to, you know, signs for people's front lawns.
00:09:11.800 That all costs money.
00:09:13.160 So we need people to contribute some cash.
00:09:15.240 Now, we're not big, fat, and happy like CBC.
00:09:18.060 We don't need $1.9 billion, but we do need some.
00:09:21.760 So I encourage people all the time to contribute what you can.
00:09:25.780 The Danny Bucks are a wonderful idea.
00:09:27.160 But as Mitch was saying earlier in the program, 100,000 people contributing $20 is a lot of money.
00:09:34.200 Yes, it is.
00:09:35.180 And that's what we're trying to do with this telethon today is get out to as many people as possible.
00:09:40.520 And I'm donating $100.
00:09:41.840 Maybe you can only do 10 or 20.
00:09:43.720 It is what it is.
00:09:45.280 But the whole goal is to fill these TPAs up
00:09:48.760 so they can go out and do that boots on the ground work.
00:09:51.400 I have a little bit of stuff here that we could talk about.
00:09:54.340 Right now, if you go to albertatelethon.com,
00:09:56.900 it's posted on your screen, guys.
00:09:58.560 You're gonna be able to pick from the multiple TPAs
00:10:00.420 which one that you want to support.
00:10:03.580 Be sure to fill out all of the information,
00:10:05.840 name, address, et cetera,
00:10:06.740 to save the TPA a lot of aggravation.
00:10:09.080 That one's very, very important.
00:10:10.640 and failure to fill in all information
00:10:13.200 while using PayPal and e-transfers
00:10:14.700 may result in your donation
00:10:15.740 going to Elections Alberta
00:10:16.920 at the end of the campaign.
00:10:18.800 That's not something we want.
00:10:20.860 We're going to get into Elections Alberta
00:10:21.860 in a second.
00:10:23.200 You can donate up to five grand
00:10:25.080 through the entire referendum campaign.
00:10:27.280 Each family member can also donate
00:10:28.440 up to $5,000 donations of $50
00:10:31.000 and under do not require
00:10:32.660 personal information,
00:10:33.920 $250 donations and below per TPA
00:10:36.740 and your name does not appear
00:10:38.380 on the Elections Alberta website.
00:10:40.320 You must be an Alberta resident to donate.
00:10:42.560 I am clear about that.
00:10:43.640 I get this to my DMs all the time.
00:10:46.020 You know, a guy from Ontario who's really supporting what we're doing
00:10:48.280 or British Columbia or wherever else.
00:10:50.080 You cannot donate, but you can share this stream.
00:10:52.260 You can share our content.
00:10:53.580 You can share other people's content,
00:10:55.160 and you can be part of the movement that way.
00:10:57.580 And none of the TPAs will share your personal information.
00:11:01.820 For more information, go to Elections Alberta website,
00:11:03.780 electionsalberta.ca.
00:11:05.580 So, albertatelethon.com, ladies and gentlemen.
00:11:07.920 Let's get those donations in.
00:11:08.980 That's why we're here.
00:11:09.600 That's what we're trying to do.
00:11:10.720 Let's talk about elections in Alberta for a second and forever Canadian people.
00:11:13.640 That's something that I really want to talk about because Thomas LeCasik has been rolling around the province in a campaign bus.
00:11:19.100 He's got two campaign headquarters, and he's saying he's not campaigning. 0.99
00:11:24.220 Well, it's complete crap. 0.96
00:11:25.640 I mean, what drives me crazy is Canada used to be running under the premise of the hypothetical reasonable man. 0.99
00:11:32.980 That would be the idea that the judges would look at something and say,
00:11:36.560 is it reasonable in the eyes of that reasonable man or woman?
00:11:40.320 You look at what Thomas is doing, any reasonable person,
00:11:44.260 any reasonable person would look at it and say, that's campaigning.
00:11:47.560 He's doing a partisan message.
00:11:49.260 He's advocating a particular side of the referendum. 0.75
00:11:51.720 All that kind of stuff is true.
00:11:52.880 And yet somehow Elections Alberta seems to think, well, that's fine.
00:11:56.120 You're just talking.
00:11:57.400 It's okay.
00:11:58.060 But you, on the other hand, Keith Wilson, who is doing similar kind of messaging,
00:12:02.540 albeit for the other side of the question, all of a sudden, they're looked at and scrutinized
00:12:06.960 and tied down by all these rules. It's crazy. It is absolutely crazy. And watching the double
00:12:12.400 standard take place shows exactly what kind of state of affairs we are in and why Alberta
00:12:17.380 independence is so important because under an independent Alberta, we'll have checks and
00:12:21.300 balances for all sides. Because that's the thing too that people don't realize is just if we go
00:12:27.100 independent, we're going to have opposition, right? It's not like, it's not like everybody's
00:12:32.620 going to leave the province, which people say everybody's going to leave. I think a lot of
00:12:36.000 people will come to Alberta if that's the case, but we'll still have opposition and we're still,
00:12:40.140 we're just going to have a better system that I believe will be more transparent and work for the
00:12:44.340 people by the people. So let me give you, give you two things. So first of all, remember if we win
00:12:50.440 this referendum, or rather when we win this referendum, Nahed Nenshi will be an Albertan.
00:12:56.660 He'll be a politician. He can run for office and people may well vote for him under the new system.
00:13:02.260 We're going to have people of all stripes, just like we do today. And you know what? They're all
00:13:06.080 welcome because Alberta will be a free place. Now, how can I say that? I just finished a tour
00:13:10.560 with Bruce Pardee and Matt Rowley, three cities. We talked about constitutional models, talked
00:13:16.120 about approaches to how you can set up a country to be more durable, more stable, more free than
00:13:22.820 what we have today. Matt Rowley advocates a reformed Westminster system. Bruce Party advocates
00:13:30.040 a very libertarian approach. I tend to be the middle ground guy that says, okay, the constitution
00:13:34.900 should be more of a republican constitution. But we presented that to quite a few people in those
00:13:40.840 three sessions, and all of them, all three models, have the same elements regarding personal freedom,
00:13:48.120 political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom to bear arms if necessary.
00:13:53.340 All those kind of things are built into all three choices, and all of them will work, and all of
00:13:58.360 them can fail. But the idea is that we can craft a country that's more durable, more reliably
00:14:04.000 governed, has more controls on government, gets rid of the excesses, things like uses of the
00:14:09.420 Emergencies Act we talked about a few minutes
00:14:11.500 ago. All those kind of things can be structured
00:14:13.520 in our new country to protect
00:14:15.460 the rights of citizens and make us a
00:14:17.460 prosperous country. Yeah, yeah, I
00:14:19.340 want to talk about that a little bit too.
00:14:21.620 So I say this a lot
00:14:23.400 on my channel is we are a British Commonwealth.
00:14:25.760 You and I sitting here right now are
00:14:27.100 loyal British subjects. Whether we don't
00:14:29.480 want to be loyal British subjects or not, that's
00:14:31.440 what we are labeled as. And the current
00:14:33.000 system in Canada under the British Parliamentary
00:14:35.460 System is designed for a king to
00:14:37.340 look over his loyal subjects. So
00:14:39.380 So what you've seen with the Emergencies Act, for instance, when you see what happened in Ottawa, I was there as well.
00:14:44.400 And I've seen what happened is we have privileges granted to us by the crown that can be taken away from us at any time.
00:14:51.140 It's not a charter of rights and freedoms.
00:14:52.660 It's a charter of privileges.
00:14:54.000 And the crown can take those away.
00:14:55.680 Now, if you see the Emergencies Act, like you just mentioned, it was ruled to be unconstitutional.
00:15:01.080 So basically illegal what the government did to us.
00:15:03.360 Now the government is appealing it.
00:15:04.740 And now it's all the way up to the Supreme Court.
00:15:06.900 The only reason it's in the Supreme Court, in my opinion, is they want to use it again.
00:15:10.820 Yes.
00:15:11.160 And is it a good possibility that they might use it against Albertans?
00:15:15.460 Let's put it this way.
00:15:16.320 I wouldn't exclude the possibility.
00:15:18.600 I think that let's presume we win.
00:15:21.320 Let's presume it gets serious and we start saying, okay, we're winning the yes-no referendum that follows.
00:15:26.780 And it's starting to be a role, a momentum is building.
00:15:30.480 I can see them because I don't trust them as far as I could throw any of them saying, okay, we have to stop this.
00:15:35.760 It's a threat to national integrity.
00:15:38.840 It's a threat to the nation as a whole.
00:15:40.860 They can take all those kinds of things and say, okay, this warrants being an emergency.
00:15:45.180 Look at the parallel.
00:15:46.640 A bunch of truckers parked their trucks in one city with bouncy castles, no less, and they invoked the Emergencies Act for that without even speaking to them.
00:15:56.620 When you got five or 600,000 people who are all saying the same thing, that's going to look like an insurrection to them.
00:16:02.720 Now, we talked about this a few minutes ago.
00:16:05.760 I think it's a vastly different situation.
00:16:08.640 The truckers were away from home, in their trucks, in a foreign city, a strange city,
00:16:14.380 and it was a fairly small group.
00:16:16.880 What's going to happen when they find out 600, 700,000, a million Albertans who want to leave
00:16:23.340 are now trying to be governed under this Emergencies Act?
00:16:26.400 It will not be a pretty sight, and I wouldn't recommend it for anybody.
00:16:29.600 We can do this peacefully.
00:16:31.220 We can do this professionally.
00:16:32.920 we can do this in a good way that all parties walk out in a good situation but i don't trust
00:16:39.540 our government to not invoke no no i don't either and you said something you said something there
00:16:44.660 a key word peacefully and that's what we have been we've been peaceful we've been doing our
00:16:50.240 rallies we've been going to our areas they did the canvassing but it hasn't been peaceful on the
00:16:54.960 other side and we've we've caught video evidence of that a guy getting a cigarette thrown at his
00:17:00.360 face uh we saw a guy get pushed into the street there in edmonton uh we've seen you know marty
00:17:05.700 up north he's going to be here uh on the show after this hosting uh jason levine he canvassed
00:17:11.660 i don't know how many days in a row out in the blistering cold and he had some nutsos come up
00:17:16.260 to him and you know it hasn't been peaceful on one side and this is truly what we're up against
00:17:21.720 again for the reason for the telethon ladies and gentlemen is to get the money to the people doing
00:17:27.080 the boots on the ground. That's the whole purpose of this. So if you haven't donated yet,
00:17:31.760 please go to albertatelethon.com. Pick your TPA, any TPA. Like I said, I'm using my Danny dollars
00:17:37.520 and I'm going to be giving a hundred bucks to a TPA. And I'm pretty sure you guys can too,
00:17:42.260 because if this means something to you and nevermind, look at your kids, look at your
00:17:45.880 grandchildren. And do you want them to have a better future than what they're going to
00:17:51.120 currently have under the system? And that's what I want to kind of move into is this white paper
00:17:56.880 that has been talked about
00:17:59.160 because a lot of questions I get on my channel
00:18:02.500 is what currency are you going to use?
00:18:04.980 What military are you going to have?
00:18:06.480 You're landlocked.
00:18:07.740 There's so many people pushing back
00:18:10.440 against Alberta independence,
00:18:12.080 acting like a country has never been created
00:18:14.020 on this planet before or changed countries.
00:18:17.420 Little plots of land have left countries
00:18:19.480 and become countries.
00:18:20.660 And they act as if this is something
00:18:23.200 that is not doable.
00:18:24.780 And I know there's a white paper being worked on.
00:18:26.700 i know you're part of that is there any any update on that is anybody going to because i know there's
00:18:32.140 a lot of people looking looking for that yeah so um so i'm i'm co-lead for development of the
00:18:38.860 white paper with keith wilson so i'm spending most of my days dealing with the team that's
00:18:43.900 actually pulling it together now people say oh it's very complicated it's very difficult there's
00:18:48.300 actually about 19 areas that be dealt with things like taxation things like policing things like
00:18:55.900 pensions none of them are new to world there's not one thing that has to be recreated for alberta that
00:19:02.860 has not that is not already done in canada today we're just trying to figure out what the right
00:19:08.300 solution is for alberta the other thing with transition planning people immediately start
00:19:12.780 to land about this is going to be what's the long-term plan for currency what's the long-term
00:19:19.260 outlook for military long term we're not planning for that that is the job of the future legislature
00:19:25.100 and that is their job to say what the long term is we're covering the period of time from when we
00:19:32.140 win the referendum until a constitutional conference is held a new government is elected
00:19:37.780 and they begin putting in the policies and laws required to operate the nation long term so we're
00:19:44.060 we're scaffolding we're bridging the gap from winning that referendum till the new government
00:19:48.440 being fully in force now one of the things we are developing is the model for the constitutional
00:19:53.920 conference that is how do you handle transition authority and it's obviously danielle and the
00:20:00.400 ucp presuming they're in power will be a big part of that because they are the government in power
00:20:06.000 at the time of in the we win the referendum it covers that it also covers what's the method by
00:20:12.160 which we choose the constitutional model we want to use in this country is it a republic is it a
00:20:20.240 westminster system like matt says or as a bruce party's you know very strong libertarian outlook
00:20:27.600 that's not for us to decide it's not for keith to decide me to decide we're going to put the tools
00:20:32.960 in place to say let the people decide what the constitution should be and then let the people
00:20:39.200 choose the leaders under that new constitution and let those leaders and those elected representatives
00:20:44.880 make the decisions for the long term so it's not rocket science and there isn't a question on that
00:20:49.760 list you just mentioned a minute ago that doesn't have a clear and simple answer yeah well that
00:20:54.720 isn't that how it's supposed to be though it's supposed to be democracy or isn't the people
00:20:58.640 supposed to decide and it's funny how you know the roadblocks that people are putting up and saying
00:21:03.440 you don't have an answer for this that or the other thing they're totally oblivious to the fact
00:21:07.600 that albertans people who are here people who voted you know that that we want we are for an
00:21:13.200 independent nation um we're actually going to have a voice like like they're against that it's it's
00:21:18.400 insane. It's insane how people don't understand that the whole point of this is to create a
00:21:24.420 country that is not Canada. But we don't hate Canada. No. I don't hate Canadians. At all. And
00:21:29.680 you know, I just don't see a way out of this anymore. And this is where we are. Yeah. And
00:21:35.180 maybe two things. Finishing up on the transition plan a little bit. So just want to give a bit of
00:21:42.320 background. We are writing those papers, roughly 19 subject areas. They're going to be reviewed by
00:21:47.720 people who know the area. In many cases, they're written by subject matter experts. So it's not
00:21:52.520 Dennis and Keith madly writing away in a dark corner somewhere. It's guys who know the subject
00:21:58.220 area. They're actively writing, okay, how do you handle air traffic control? What's the right way
00:22:04.600 to approach policing? What's the right way to do border services? All those kinds of things are
00:22:08.840 being built by people who know those subject areas. They're going to get reviewed. We're
00:22:13.720 checking them for integration to make sure they all line up with each other. And we'll publish
00:22:17.360 roughly the end of July and then we will have a version of the transition plan and most critically
00:22:22.900 we'll have a budget. Danielle Smith went online and said 400 billion and other people said 300
00:22:29.520 billion. Complete and utter crap. Yep I was just going to get to that. Total crap. Yeah yeah the 1.00
00:22:34.840 whole Danielle Smith the Premier Smith thing she was actually on my show and people said that I
00:22:38.340 wasn't hard enough on her which I went and I looked back at the show and 100% I wasn't hard
00:22:43.100 enough on her but the beautiful thing about this is she's going to be on my show every month now
00:22:46.520 So I got to have an opportunity next month and the month after that and the month after that, right?
00:22:51.040 And lately what I've been seeing come out of the Smith government is I'm a little bit disappointed in how she's advocating for, you know, to remain in Canada when actually she should just be governing the province, right?
00:23:02.180 And she allowed us to go use direct democracy, go to a referendum on a referendum, and then from there we'll give the government a mandate of what we want, right?
00:23:12.000 So I'm a little bit disappointed on that.
00:23:13.500 That's going to be on my next show.
00:23:14.460 I'm going to be asking her questions surrounding that.
00:23:16.520 But what do you see the elected officials doing?
00:23:19.580 Because the Calgary Stampede was literally just here.
00:23:22.160 And I was in a lot of those rooms with a lot of those elected officials.
00:23:24.300 And I noticed one thing, same people, different venue.
00:23:28.000 It was like that everywhere I went.
00:23:29.880 It was the same people in the room, the same bureaucrats, the same money, the same people.
00:23:34.120 And they brought in Doug Ford.
00:23:35.880 They brought in, you know, liberal ministers.
00:23:38.360 And they all sat there and they're saying, look at us, guys.
00:23:41.880 Canada's working.
00:23:42.820 We're putting a pipeline in.
00:23:44.480 And we're all friends.
00:23:45.720 We're shaking hands.
00:23:46.360 We're doing photo ops and and we're going to we're going to get this built and you don't need to be independent.
00:23:51.360 What do you say to that?
00:23:53.360 Well, first of all, it's really nice to go into a room and shake hands and take pretty pictures.
00:23:57.360 That doesn't get stuff done.
00:23:58.360 No, it doesn't.
00:23:59.360 And I look at these MOUs back in my business background.
00:24:02.360 MOU was the very beginning.
00:24:04.360 It literally was usually non-binding.
00:24:06.360 Just, hey, you and I agree to do sort of something that sort of looks like this.
00:24:10.360 Show me the hard contracts.
00:24:12.360 contracts. Show me the private proponents that are actually going to build this stuff. Government
00:24:17.180 can't build crap. Look at how they run the post office for crying out loud. Yeah, good point. 1.00
00:24:21.180 You know, so they're not builders, they're bureaucrats. I've worked in government a couple
00:24:25.460 of times. I saw it up close, I've experienced it. Didn't like it, by the way. So for them to go and
00:24:30.760 talk and beat their gums, that's wonderful. But then look and see what we're doing. So they actually
00:24:35.920 are now saying things like EB in BC will get some sort of tolling or tariff on Alberta oil
00:24:42.180 transits bc yeah where is that in the government of canada structure it's not it's supposed to be
00:24:48.740 eliminated under our federal structure yet we're going ahead with it doug ford oh you wonderful
00:24:54.060 man wonderful you know let's build a pipeline over the uh canadian shield into sarnia where's
00:25:00.480 the market yeah tell me again where that extra million barrels a day is going to go sarnia is
00:25:07.180 well supplied to the U S line five.
00:25:09.820 Yeah.
00:25:10.120 Why do we need another line?
00:25:11.420 Yeah.
00:25:11.940 Are we going to ship it to Montreal?
00:25:13.600 It's going to go out to the East coast.
00:25:15.400 Yeah.
00:25:15.700 They've already said no way.
00:25:16.940 Yeah.
00:25:17.380 You think Plumondon under, uh, if the election in Quebec goes away, I think it will, he's
00:25:23.360 going to allow a bit of oil drops, not on this, not on God's green earth.
00:25:26.800 No.
00:25:27.140 So when I hear all this stuff and I hear all these guys go, um, that means I think
00:25:31.780 we're, they're over the target.
00:25:32.980 Yeah.
00:25:33.300 They're, they're afraid that maybe we're right.
00:25:37.180 Maybe this is the best answer.
00:25:38.600 Yeah, I think they know we're right.
00:25:39.900 I think honestly, because you have people like me,
00:25:42.440 people like yourself, and many of you guys watching right now
00:25:44.900 that you didn't come to this lightly.
00:25:46.580 It's not like you decided, okay, you know what?
00:25:49.200 Screw Canada.
00:25:50.620 I just want to become independent because this is such a great movement.
00:25:53.460 This takes hours and hours of volunteer time
00:25:55.960 and doing your research to figure out what's exactly going on
00:25:59.960 and what this might look like.
00:26:00.820 And then look at the work that you're doing with the white paper
00:26:02.720 with Keith Wilson and many other people.
00:26:04.220 But what you said back then was, you know, about David Eby, Doug Ford, Quebec, all of that stuff is all the proof that anybody should need, in my opinion, that Canada is not working.
00:26:15.980 So when they were in the stampede, taking pictures, shaking those hands, kissing the babies and saying Canada is working, you got a guy with David Eby that was paid off $13 billion basically to get out of the way.
00:26:27.340 And then before that, it was a condo buyout to get out of the way.
00:26:31.200 You have Wob Canoe, who's in Manitoba, who is an NDP diehard.
00:26:34.940 You've got to get to him.
00:26:35.980 What are you going to give him?
00:26:37.100 So, again, ladies and gentlemen, we're bribing other Canadians to get our oil and gas to market that pays for social services that makes our country better.
00:26:50.340 Make it make sense.
00:26:51.500 Yeah, there's no way it does make sense.
00:26:54.760 And I go on to other structural failures.
00:26:56.740 Okay, let's say they actually build the pipelines.
00:27:00.280 Well, we still haven't changed the representation in the House of Commons.
00:27:05.060 The fact that PEI has far more strength per voter than we do here.
00:27:09.860 The Senate is still appointed and largely a liberal,
00:27:13.220 certainly not aligned with the needs of each province.
00:27:16.360 The courts are still the highest authority in the land,
00:27:20.200 as opposed to Parliament, something that Pierre Trudeau did to us.
00:27:24.180 All these things are still in place.
00:27:25.520 And I see no plan by anybody to remediate those things.
00:27:30.140 If Carney stood up tomorrow and said, we're holding a constitutional conference, we're building a proper bill of rights, we're making an elected Senate or some better structure for the Senate and so on and so forth.
00:27:40.040 I might say, okay, maybe it's worth listening to the guy, but placating us with a couple of pipelines, especially with carbon capture tied to it is ridiculous.
00:27:49.220 They're trying to buy us off.
00:27:50.640 And I think it means we are on target.
00:27:52.660 Well, absolutely.
00:27:53.520 A hundred percent. 0.93
00:27:53.900 that pathways project for instance is a waste of taxpayer dollars to dump co2 in the ground that 0.58
00:27:58.460 is actually going to do nothing nothing for anybody it's just a waste of taxpayer dollars
00:28:03.180 to to to i don't i don't actually know what it's for because if you look at it brookfield's probably
00:28:09.100 involved one way or another uh you know brookfield's got you can go down that rabbit hole all day and
00:28:14.140 find out where they're making money but they've never made more money than they've ever made since
00:28:17.580 mark carney's been in power right i can tell you that and that's facts you can go look that up
00:28:21.820 Um, you know, the, the thing is, is, is the importance of Alberta independence is different
00:28:27.240 for everybody, I think.
00:28:29.160 Um, and you know, I look at it for the future.
00:28:32.660 I, I own a home, right?
00:28:34.020 I own a home.
00:28:34.880 I have a car, you know, it's not about me.
00:28:38.080 It's about the future of this province. 0.98
00:28:40.080 And going back to Ottawa, you know, I was dumb.
00:28:43.880 I was to sit there and I could say this and I've, I've said this publicly when I supported 0.56
00:28:48.300 Pierre Polyev and Battle River Crowfoot.
00:28:50.120 I thought if he wins,
00:28:52.160 there's going to be some real change.
00:28:54.640 And then, like I said, when
00:28:55.860 they started crossing the floor, that's
00:28:58.120 when I kind of changed my tune. I looked at my
00:29:00.060 wife. I said, we got to support Alberta
00:29:02.040 Independence. And if you don't want to support Alberta Independence,
00:29:03.940 I'm supporting Alberta Independence.
00:29:05.740 And so she hasn't publicly come out
00:29:08.020 and said that she supports Alberta Independence yet.
00:29:09.760 And she hasn't even told me.
00:29:11.180 But I think she might. Maybe her and I'll
00:29:13.920 do a show on that. But how
00:29:16.120 long have we sent
00:29:17.460 conservatives members of parliament to ottawa to be representing alberta never mind alberta british
00:29:24.440 columbia saskatchewan right everywhere in the west and they have not been able to get anything
00:29:30.800 done it's the british parliamentary system well i mean look at stephen harper yeah we had a
00:29:35.460 conservative prime minister um he was one of the authors of the firewall letter he supported all
00:29:41.400 the kinds of things we think need to be done and he was in office for 10 years and i know
00:29:46.200 He had some crises in minority governments, but he was unable to make any real material change to anything.
00:29:53.920 Look at even Jason Kenney with the equalization referendum a few years back.
00:29:59.640 He wrote letters, he got nothing.
00:30:02.120 Silence, crickets.
00:30:03.820 So it's not like we haven't tried.
00:30:06.900 We've been trying to do this since the 70s.
00:30:09.300 My first eye-opening moment on the whole thing, maybe Canada's not working, was the NEP back in 1982.
00:30:16.100 Okay.
00:30:16.700 I wasn't born yet.
00:30:17.600 Yeah, it's okay.
00:30:18.400 I'm an old guy.
00:30:20.000 I remember I lived downtown as a young guy, 23 years old.
00:30:24.300 And I was walking down the street before the NEP and I was bustling and buildings were coming up and people were running around and really active and hectic.
00:30:32.340 Wonderful place.
00:30:33.520 NEP comes in.
00:30:34.720 A few months later, construction sites shut down.
00:30:38.200 No traffic.
00:30:39.580 Layoffs were starting to happen.
00:30:40.800 everything just died killed because of some guys in Ottawa making a decision that perhaps we ought
00:30:47.760 to get more of the profit out of Alberta oil for the rest of Canada rather than the people that
00:30:52.400 own it and the people of Alberta you start seeing those kind of things happen you start to move
00:30:57.160 yeah well we if we want to go to a more recent time under Justin Trudeau we had Jagmeet Singh
00:31:02.700 sitting there as like a proxy prime minister yep you know and he was basically controlling the writ
00:31:07.760 He was literally, you know, you can do this, Justin, if you do this.
00:31:13.200 And then just recently with Elizabeth May, the leader of the Green Party, which I believe is a one-seat party right now, was able to basically prop up the Liberal government with a budget and a non-confidence vote.
00:31:25.680 Like, the system's broke.
00:31:27.520 There's no doubt if you look at the system, there are projects that just can't get done.
00:31:33.420 So, we're going to get into First Nations.
00:31:35.620 It's a very polarizing topic.
00:31:37.460 I understand it.
00:31:38.840 I've been talking about it a lot.
00:31:40.320 I am First Nations.
00:31:41.520 I am First Nations.
00:31:42.500 I have a status card. 0.82
00:31:43.640 I get chastised for being a pretendian all over the place. 0.52
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00:32:35.860 please like and share first nations all right so the first nations have been having a big stink
00:32:44.260 and and at least their leaders have their leaders yes and that's very important because
00:32:50.200 sunday night i'm recording an episode with the first nations guy who was on our side
00:32:55.420 and you know and basically there are a lot of them on our side there there are i tried recording
00:33:01.080 with four other people once people found out who it was then all of a sudden they said no
00:33:05.800 I can't do it because they were getting bullied and harassed and everything else.
00:33:08.420 And that's their right to do so.
00:33:09.460 I understand it.
00:33:11.320 Their leaders are upset.
00:33:13.900 They're basically gaslighting, I believe, the population and saying that we're going
00:33:19.980 against their treaty rights for asking a question.
00:33:22.980 My confusion there is this, and I don't know your stance on this, but if that is what they're
00:33:28.140 going to stand on and that's what they're going to fight, that means every time the
00:33:32.280 government makes a decision in the legislature they need yep consultation under under their
00:33:37.760 understanding yes and what does consultation mean yeah in normal world consultation if i have to
00:33:44.520 consult with you on a topic i hear your opinion we discuss it i see what it can be done to work
00:33:50.360 in your thoughts or um what you desire into what i'm doing and at some point you may decide to
00:33:56.820 agree to disagree and sorry i'm going ahead of this anyway another time you say hey we're able
00:34:01.340 to work out some middle ground we both live with that's consultation what i hear a lot of these
00:34:06.280 indigenous leaders saying is they want to veto they don't like something or somebody or some
00:34:11.920 question or some act or some law they want to stop it yeah well that's not consultation that's a veto
00:34:17.060 yeah and i think on independence the part that people lose is that you know the indian act is
00:34:23.920 not exactly working well no i've got a couple of people i deal with a lot first nations people i
00:34:30.020 asked them things i've given them uh clauses out of the constitution relating to first the first
00:34:34.580 nations and ask them things like could you live with this if this is how we handle treaty rights
00:34:40.100 could you live with it now it's a small number of people but they say yeah we could because we don't
00:34:44.340 like the indian act as it stands and we'd rather take our chances with alberta and have a new deal 0.80
00:34:50.740 with a new structure that that gives us much better options and equality i think then people
00:34:58.020 they would take that yeah yeah and the thing is what i like to remind people too because i i've
00:35:02.840 dealt with treaties my own treaty and then i've read other treaties you know there's a big
00:35:06.620 misinterpretation of the treaty people people don't understand what ceded territory means
00:35:10.740 that's a whole other argument for another day i don't want to get into that in this one
00:35:14.260 um but there's not one treaty in this country that has ever been adhered to by the federal crown
00:35:20.040 there just isn't so what i see is we have leaders who are misrepresenting their base yes and and
00:35:27.500 their people going out there for one reason or another to now stay in Canada and to go as far
00:35:34.260 as going across the pond to the king. Yeah. Right. And, and taking a photo op with him and you got
00:35:38.720 in the head and entry on the other side, taking photo ops and, and, and playing political games.
00:35:43.280 But if you had a first nations chief in the room today, if we had one in the room and I'm working
00:35:48.460 on it, I'm trying to get first nations chief. So if you're a first nation chief out there and
00:35:51.760 you know, you want to have a discussion with me respectfully, I absolutely want to talk to you.
00:35:55.320 what would you say to them?
00:35:57.840 I'd be saying, is your life under Canada what you want it to be for yourself and your people?
00:36:04.880 All the people you represent, is that what you really want for them?
00:36:07.900 Because your poverty rate's through the roof. 1.00
00:36:10.060 Your life expectancy is, what, 19 years shorter than for non-Indigenous people. 1.00
00:36:15.300 Is that what you really want? 1.00
00:36:16.580 If the answer is yes, that's what I want, that paints one picture.
00:36:19.640 The answer is no.
00:36:20.440 Okay, what's the path by which these things get resolved?
00:36:24.260 ever more money or how about we try a different approach what about pursuing freedom true freedom
00:36:31.040 for your people let indigenous people yeah they should have their own reserves and own it be their
00:36:36.820 land yes we have to accommodate the fact that we have obligations that we made to them 100 plus 0.99
00:36:42.900 years ago we have to discharge that contract as it were we have to deal with those things
00:36:48.020 how about we deal with them in a more modern way in a way that will persevere and last for a long
00:36:54.040 time. But more critically, it will give you and your people the freedom to run things the way
00:36:59.320 you and your people want them to be run. Yeah, and that's very well said. And the
00:37:04.100 important thing that I've been saying is actually have real consequences for people breaking the
00:37:09.800 rules and the law. Because right now, the federal government, we still have, I believe, six,
00:37:14.060 and don't quote me on this, but six First Nation reservations with boil water advisories,
00:37:18.480 clean drinking water. It's 2026. Justin Trudeau, back in his campaign, he said that he was going
00:37:24.020 to get rid of that altogether he was going to clean up the drinking water 10 years to do it
00:37:28.380 never did it right but he definitely sat in front of a rock that was in the ground with a teddy bear 0.65
00:37:33.480 to win the election and in in saskatchewan with the residential schools um you know the first
00:37:39.360 nations are great people they're beautiful people um they they have a rich rich heritage and they
00:37:45.820 have a very very stained past yes and the crown has treated them terribly i look at alberta
00:37:51.260 independence as being that opportunity to right a wrong and make a better deal with them that will
00:37:58.020 have real consequences if those deals are broken. And it just boggles my mind and frustrating that
00:38:04.920 they're just siding with the crown. And it's not First Nations people. I think you said it good. 0.95
00:38:09.200 I said it right. It's the leaders. It's truly the leaders.
00:38:12.160 Well, and Ezra Levant did some polling and that was not huge numbers, but he saw close to half 0.98
00:38:19.860 of Indigenous people are in favor of separation, the rank and file, the normal, the average First
00:38:26.440 Nations person. So you think roughly half are on board. That's not that far off what the rest 0.63
00:38:32.460 of Alberta thinks, and maybe even slightly higher. So I think we have to take into account that
00:38:39.400 we want to build a country where all are equal. We want to build a country where all have freedom
00:38:45.660 to live their life as best they can and that includes first nations people it brings tears to
00:38:52.380 my eyes to see all this suffering and all this pain has been caused for a century or more when
00:38:59.600 there are ways to fix it yeah so let's fix it for once for all yeah no i i absolutely agree
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00:40:37.820 let's talk about undecided people let's talk about the people that i run into every day now uh right
00:40:45.840 now i'm between a ball tournament so i was at my daughter's ball game this morning had to change in
00:40:50.580 the parking lot got into this stuff and then i'm going to change again and go back to the ball
00:40:54.460 field and a guy was asking me and he knows who i am he knows i have a podcast he knows i'm pro
00:40:57.980 independence and he said Lawrence he's like I just don't understand why we can't fix Canada and we
00:41:04.420 talked about it a little bit already you and I in this in this show but what do we say to those
00:41:09.140 people because I give them the 1.3 trillion dollars in debt you know 590 with Harper like
00:41:13.900 how can you see after three trillion in 2030 what this is going to look like you know it some of
00:41:21.340 them just are comfortable in the status quo and and you know what do we say to them what else can
00:41:26.760 we give to them? Is there anything in the value of freedom that we can give to them? Is there
00:41:30.340 something that we can be saying different? Well, I don't think, I think we've covered some of this
00:41:34.860 already. I mean, where's Canada going to be in 10 years if we don't change our trajectory?
00:41:41.020 You know, show me a path. That's the thing I ask them. Let's discuss what's wrong. Structural
00:41:47.660 problems with government, courts, highest, you know, highest authority in the land, you know,
00:41:52.360 the spending, we discussed all that. Okay. So let's agree on the set of problems. And quite often
00:41:57.940 people say, yeah, I agree with that. That's bad. That's bad. That's bad. Fine. What do we do about
00:42:02.460 it? Let's take them one by one. How do you fix the overspending? How do you fix the representation
00:42:07.680 question? How do you deal with equalization? And you know what really gets to me? Not one of them
00:42:12.960 has ever given a solid answer. No one's come back and said, okay, here's a path by which we can
00:42:18.080 remediate the constitution change these things go back to the older system where parliament was
00:42:23.380 supreme blah blah blah you don't see that at all so then at some point you have to discuss these
00:42:29.360 people and say so there is no path within canada to fix it yeah let's take then take my side for
00:42:36.460 a minute let's pretend that you're willing to be independent what would the country of alberta look
00:42:41.200 like and that's where the value of freedom comes in because that document was put together to make
00:42:47.280 the case that an independent Alberta is fiscally viable. It was not, here are the policies of future
00:42:54.400 Alberta, they're example policies, meant to say, if we just keep the money we send out today,
00:43:01.600 keep it in Alberta, we have enough money to keep the provincial spending the way it is today,
00:43:06.120 as country spending, compensate for all the federal programs and transfers that currently go
00:43:11.380 out, but to come back, stand up and operate the services like military and policing and so forth
00:43:17.160 that we need, that are provided by Canada, and still have enough left over to be able to give
00:43:23.080 some tax relief. Now, let's walk through those numbers. Where have I got it wrong? I've had
00:43:28.960 dozens of conversations with people. Prove me wrong. Find in that document where the numbers
00:43:35.740 are wrong where the assumptions are so far out as to make the outcome change and to this point no
00:43:41.620 one has now to be fair we're going to do an update or i'm going to do an update on the value of
00:43:46.720 freedom uh once you get the transition plan done and it's costing done we'll make the two tie
00:43:51.580 together and and there are some things that if i could do it over again i wouldn't have done it
00:43:56.020 that way some of the structures of how we put the numbers together and clear it up and clean it up
00:44:00.660 And I think, but the case remains solid.
00:44:03.360 Yeah.
00:44:03.580 So now, hypothetical person at your ball tournament.
00:44:06.400 So here's the Canadian world where there's no path to fix this.
00:44:12.380 Here's the Alberta world.
00:44:13.960 Has it got some risk to it?
00:44:15.000 Absolutely.
00:44:16.020 But let's presume we can work through the risks.
00:44:18.300 Albertans are good at dealing with tough problems and solving them.
00:44:22.160 We'll solve these as well.
00:44:24.140 Now, when we get there, let me see, you have lower taxes.
00:44:28.000 You're going to have a freer country.
00:44:29.280 you're viable very viable financially you're next door to the largest market in the world
00:44:35.880 the usa you know there's no reason why we can't have good relations with canada there's no reason
00:44:41.000 why not what's bad about that answer yeah you're absolutely correct and when you talk about having
00:44:47.280 relationship with canada that has to happen totally right and people think that canada is
00:44:51.580 just going to cut off alberta from everything they don't realize that we have the cpkc line
00:44:55.960 that goes through Alberta from the Port of Vancouver.
00:44:58.960 And I don't know about you, but every time there's a port strike,
00:45:02.240 you know, shelves go bare in places, right?
00:45:05.040 You know, Canadian Tire's not getting their stuff.
00:45:06.980 We have CN Rail that goes through Alberta.
00:45:09.100 We have corridors that go through Alberta.
00:45:11.540 There's negotiating power here.
00:45:14.340 And do you know much about the negotiating power,
00:45:17.360 what that would look like in negotiating?
00:45:19.480 Or have you guys thought about that?
00:45:21.420 In depth.
00:45:22.000 I mean, that's actually, last couple of days,
00:45:24.700 That's some of the white papers I was working on.
00:45:27.340 I mean, the guts of us, we do have very large leverage with Canada.
00:45:31.760 There's about 90 billion of east-west trade that occurs.
00:45:35.020 The rest of us, the rest of our trade is with the Americans, 80% plus.
00:45:39.100 So 90 billion is not a small number.
00:45:42.060 It's a big number.
00:45:43.680 But you know what?
00:45:44.100 We can stop that trade.
00:45:45.300 And the rest of Canada imports from us mainly things that are hard to displace, energy and
00:45:52.000 agricultural products.
00:45:52.920 What do we import from the rest of Canada?
00:45:55.840 Manufactured goods, financial services like banks,
00:45:59.680 consulting services and so forth.
00:46:02.020 Well, you know what?
00:46:02.540 The Americans would love to provide those to us.
00:46:04.920 And you know what?
00:46:05.340 It's also good for Canada to sell those services to us.
00:46:08.620 So why wouldn't we come to the point where we rapidly realize
00:46:12.580 the best answer is to make a workable treaty,
00:46:15.340 agreement with the Canadians,
00:46:16.860 that they can do business in Alberta,
00:46:19.320 we can do business in Canada,
00:46:20.620 and we'll do it on a fair and reasonable basis.
00:46:22.920 they would they would be forced right they would they would absolutely be forced we could force
00:46:28.100 them yeah to have to negotiate with us because they get so much from alberta yeah you know
00:46:32.740 everything has to come through alberta yes and and that's not something that i want to see where
00:46:37.060 we're we're fighting like you know two cats in a barn i i want to see us collaborate and work
00:46:42.300 together and you know moving into the kind of the last segment of the show here is back to when we
00:46:49.760 talking about the stampede with you know them all coming here and trying to show canada is working
00:46:54.080 it's kind of what carney is doing now yes right carney has come out with all these major
00:46:57.840 announcements he wants to he wants to do all this power grid uh he wants to upgrade it he's saying
00:47:03.520 you know stay not leave like all this other stuff and carney i believe is just here to do what
00:47:11.360 trudeau was doing and just finish it off that's my belief anyway and he's very anti-alberta and
00:47:17.840 trying to be pro-alberta he's a he's a central control guy he he could very well fit in the
00:47:24.140 soviet union of uh you know the 80s and before he believes in centralized control and centralized
00:47:30.480 operation that model's been proven false over and over and over again and so he's trying to
00:47:36.960 essentially run roughshod over things like provincial jurisdictions i worked at the grid
00:47:42.240 operator the iso for a few years one of my uh more interesting pieces of work and power is
00:47:49.920 essentially a provincial jurisdiction every province has a different there is some benefit
00:47:55.640 in making sure the grids interconnect and can support each other that's a pretty limited thing
00:48:00.100 and it's done today we already get power in from bc to handle brownout type conditions and so forth
00:48:06.640 and they get some stuff from us too so why are you trying to exert more control on that particular
00:48:13.420 part of provincial life because he's a centralist he wants it centralized he wants to get rid of the
00:48:20.700 option for alberta to do its own thing because he knows alberta's different yeah he knows alberta's
00:48:26.660 strong and he knows if he doesn't stop it now it may never be able to be stopped well burtons are
00:48:32.280 just built different right totally we are just built different and you know you look i will go
00:48:37.180 back to marty who's coming on here in a minute like i was in snowstorm sleep and and rain and
00:48:42.440 many of you guys out there were doing the exact same thing so thank you for that thank you so
00:48:46.700 much from my heart and my family's heart you know we're just built different we believe in something
00:48:51.340 we want to we want to achieve that goal and achieve that mission uh mark carney and danielle
00:48:57.080 smith and many of these premiers are doing a damn good job though at chiseling away at at
00:49:02.280 at people's already brainwashed people through the CBC and the CTV and it's comments all the
00:49:08.720 time. It's never going to happen. It's never going to happen. And then now with the threats
00:49:11.960 of violence and all this other stuff, I think by donating to these TPAs, you know, I think
00:49:18.140 what we're doing today with the telethon is very important. So let's close it off. Let's talk
00:49:23.020 about the TPAs. Let's talk about what they're going to do and how it complements the stuff
00:49:26.740 that you guys are doing with the white paper. Okay. So the TPAs, as we said earlier, they're
00:49:31.720 pursuing all sorts of paths signs um you know the spreading the message around door-to-door type
00:49:39.180 stuff get out the vote kind of stuff all sorts of things that i'm not really good at yeah but what
00:49:43.880 they need is information and content so there are many people who rightly ask okay dennis you made
00:49:51.360 the financial case in the valley of freedom that hey we can survive financially but i don't see how
00:49:56.840 we get from being a province to being a nation. That feels awfully scary. And have you thought
00:50:03.040 about this? Have you thought about that? So we need to write it out in black and white. And that's
00:50:07.900 what the transition plan is going to be. Now it'll be, there'll be a very complex version with all
00:50:13.280 the jargon in it. We're going to make a simplified version in communication materials so people can
00:50:18.180 get it without having to read through. Because most of these papers are between 20 and 40 pages.
00:50:23.400 Yeah, nobody's reading that.
00:50:24.260 I don't like reading it.
00:50:25.340 That's my job right now.
00:50:26.280 I'm always reading that.
00:50:27.080 It's pretty heavy duty.
00:50:28.020 But we want to make the case that there is a workable, doable, plausible path
00:50:34.180 to get from being a province to being a country.
00:50:38.040 Okay.
00:50:38.380 When we put that out, it will not be under Keith and Tanya
00:50:43.100 and their third-party advertiser.
00:50:46.040 It will be a bunch of us volunteers went through a hypothetical case,
00:50:51.080 put together a plan that we believe would work and now all the tpas can use it share it and promote
00:50:58.420 it to people who have that question yeah no that's that's super important so what uh is there a
00:51:04.040 timeline do we have a timeline yet obviously it's got to come out before october right before we go
00:51:08.700 in october i know a lot of you guys are doing work and it is important to emphasize these aren't
00:51:14.960 alberta rednecks you know hanging out and just in and you know putting together a white paper you
00:51:20.060 guys are professionals with professional backgrounds from industry oh yeah and you're
00:51:24.280 putting this all together oh yeah we've got people who are recognized subject matter experts in their
00:51:30.400 field people from oil and gas people from transportation people from taxation uh we've
00:51:36.540 got lawyers involved of course because many of them see the agreements that operate the country
00:51:41.000 in detail there's about 40 ish people involved right now the timeline that we're aiming for is
00:51:47.600 end of July to put at least the first draft out, and it will be a draft. We're not going to put
00:51:53.060 it out there and say, here is the plan, go chisel it in stone somewhere. It's going to be, here's
00:51:57.740 what we think will work, and then we'll look for other people who know the area to say, yeah, but
00:52:02.260 you missed this, or I think there's a better way to do that. We're already taking input. I think
00:52:06.620 that's actually the appropriate way to do it, to be honest, is you guys get together in a room,
00:52:11.260 you guys are putting this together, put it out to the people as a draft, because you never know
00:52:14.520 who's going to read that right there's going to be another expert from some industry or
00:52:17.440 some other guy who who might have a better idea and i think that's what we need to do as albertans
00:52:22.080 i think we do that really well as albertans and that's why they try to shut down us having
00:52:26.400 conversations you know i just i just wanted to remind the viewers at home that today c9 has
00:52:31.220 started so the online hate speech act is has now started so there'll be another reason to go and
00:52:37.400 support alberta independence because bullshit bills like that will not happen in an independent
00:52:41.880 Alberta we'd be free to speak our mind and do what we're doing um you know so so I look forward 0.72
00:52:47.240 to that white paper end of July you said that's a draft and uh and any final words that you have
00:52:53.640 for people on Alberta independence on the undecided because on the decided like we can sit here and
00:52:57.880 talk we're both decided right we want Alberta independence and we can sit here and have these
00:53:02.040 conversations and I love having these conversations but I'm really starting to love having the
00:53:05.720 conversation with undecided what's the best ammo we can give somebody that is the core group
00:53:11.880 You know, I mean, the town halls are wonderful and they're great fun, but face it, everyone in the room has already decided or so close to it that it doesn't matter.
00:53:20.200 It's the, it's the people, you know, the people you work with to ask them, Hey, what's your position on it?
00:53:26.460 Have a respectful conversation with them and say, why do you think we should stay in Canada?
00:53:31.400 What are your concerns with things we've talked about?
00:53:34.220 And try and give them information, not to try and force them to decide at the moment, but be respectful, be thoughtful and say,
00:53:41.820 hey that's enough for today but can we get together for a beer next week and discuss it further
00:53:46.340 that's the way you bring people over yeah you know what i live in a little town outside of calgary
00:53:51.100 called langdon yep very it is a redneck town i'm not gonna lie it is it's it's the good luck town
00:53:56.700 it's got a horseshoe as a symbol and i was driving out because they were doing the langdon days
00:54:00.560 parade today so i have to do a different way out and there's a house that i never see because i
00:54:04.140 don't go out that way that had forever canadian plastered all over it you want to know what i did
00:54:09.080 but i drove by yeah right i drove by but yet on the other side we have people kicking over signs
00:54:15.460 spray painting signs you know being vandal vandals to businesses we don't need to do that on our side
00:54:21.100 never our job is to educate right our job is to love our province do this for our kids we don't
00:54:28.120 have to get violent we don't have to do that no and and you know what they're all citizens yeah
00:54:31.820 we you know i i pick on bruce and matt we have radically different views on how the country
00:54:37.100 should be run. But you know, we're three good friends. We go for a beer, we laugh, we talk,
00:54:42.480 we argue. Yeah, but what about this and what about that? We sat through six hours of sessions a few
00:54:47.820 weeks ago. And you know what? We had good conversations. And there's no reason why people
00:54:53.420 cannot have that same style of conversation with their neighbors, with their friends, their
00:54:57.760 co-workers. Absolutely. Well, Dennis, this was actually absolutely amazing. It's my first time
00:55:02.420 talking to you and i know i met you at the at the pancake breakfast last sunday you came up and we
00:55:07.540 knew we were going to be matched up in this and i was like dennis i want to hear anything i i i just
00:55:12.100 want to go in there i want to be raw i want to be real i just want want to have a chat with you and
00:55:15.860 this actually was awesome ladies and gentlemen the value of freedom right here can anybody get
00:55:20.420 access to this it's online at the app website download it and uh yeah get it awesome thanks so
00:55:26.800 much my man i appreciate it thank you that's an awkward one but that works ladies and gentlemen
00:55:31.540 You're going to want to go to albertatelethon.com.
00:55:33.940 Let's get some money in these TPA's pockets.
00:55:37.060 Let's do it together.
00:55:38.200 Alberta is counting on you.
00:55:41.500 You stood on those stone cold Govan steps.
00:55:47.720 Faith and freedom, loud and clear.
00:55:53.420 Folding chairs and town hall stages.
00:55:57.880 Spoke the truth they came to hear
00:56:02.900 They stood in line for hours
00:56:05.880 Braved the cold and wind
00:56:08.280 You talked about their children
00:56:11.040 And the mess we're living in
00:56:13.580 From the back row of the hall
00:56:16.300 To the front row of the fight
00:56:18.860 You said if they're gonna hear us
00:56:22.020 It's gonna be tonight
00:56:24.080 Come on, let's go!
00:56:27.020 So that's going to be the battle cry for our movement.
00:56:57.020 You stand up for Alberta
00:57:01.180 This one's for you
00:57:05.020 I feel like I'm with friends here.
00:57:06.660 That's exactly correct.
00:57:08.540 That's what the whole thing with all these events are for.
00:57:11.140 People understand that they're part of a group of like-minded people
00:57:14.060 that think and have the same ambitions and goals as they have.
00:57:17.160 You stare down that lens in your studio light
00:57:22.160 Coffee gone cold, face pale from the night
00:57:27.220 From the dark hours to the evening show
00:57:32.580 You hit go live and refused to let go
00:57:37.920 Slow roll down from Edmonton, high beams cutting through
00:57:43.360 Northbound up from Calgary, every small town waiting on you
00:57:49.140 Truck stop, coffee coolin' between petitions in the rain
00:57:54.420 Car tables and gravel are choppin' every name
00:57:59.780 You came to sign on the freedom line
00:58:04.220 Ink on paper, hearts on fire
00:58:09.540 Every name like gasoline, kickin' up that rebel choir
00:58:15.860 Let me shake your hand
00:58:17.860 Thank you for your time
00:58:19.860 Fight up voices
00:58:23.860 Strong and true
00:58:25.860 You stepped up for Alberta
00:58:29.860 This one's for you
00:58:33.860 I am Alberta
00:58:35.860 Again
00:58:37.860 I am Alberta
00:58:39.860 Again
00:58:41.860 I am Alberta
00:58:43.860 You filled up clipboards and sleet and rain
00:58:50.560 Roadside lots by the highway chain
00:58:53.300 And echoing halls where the floors were bare
00:58:56.020 You passed that pen like a whispered prayer
00:58:59.020 You came to sight
00:59:02.420 On the frozen ground
00:59:05.060 Heard your own heartbeat
00:59:08.020 Like a drum's low sound
00:59:10.460 Looked around
00:59:13.160 Saw you're not alone
00:59:15.720 Countless souls fighting for a home
00:59:21.080 You came to sign
00:59:24.000 On the freedom line
00:59:26.780 Ink on paper
00:59:29.700 Hearts on fire
00:59:32.060 Every name like gasoline
00:59:35.700 Kicking off that rebel choir
00:59:38.440 Let me shake your hand
00:59:40.320 Thank you for your time
00:59:43.900 We've gotten by round three.
00:59:45.700 Now we're in the Stanley Cup final.
00:59:47.800 And away we go.
00:59:49.060 Thank you very much.
00:59:49.860 God bless all of you.
00:59:50.660 For Alberta.
00:59:53.440 And I raise this one to you.
00:59:56.800 This one's for you.
01:00:00.980 You stood that line.
01:00:06.400 And we're back live.
01:00:09.680 Before I introduce everybody, including myself,
01:00:12.400 i'm laughing because uh max our producer was in the background counting down 10 9 8 and and jason
01:00:17.920 said the same thing that was going on my mind we're on a rocket by the way that would be insane
01:00:22.880 to be on top of a rocket waiting to be launched like i don't think i would do it it'd be less
01:00:27.040 stressful this is right now though so welcome back folks uh i'm the host for the next hour of the uh
01:00:33.600 the alberta telethon so i'm marty up north i'm sure uh some of you guys know me if you don't
01:00:39.600 I'm just one of the local guys here in Calgary who got a bit of a following during independence because I spent about 200 hours on the side of the highway collecting signatures.
01:00:52.120 And we'll talk a little bit about that.
01:00:53.640 So and with me today.
01:00:55.140 So, by the way, this is a telethon about third party advertisers.
01:01:00.660 So you're not actually going to donate to this telethon.
01:01:03.440 You're going to donate to third party advertisers.
01:01:05.400 And I have with me some of the original people who set up a TPA.
01:01:10.200 I have Jason Levine and his wife, Paula.
01:01:12.900 And your TPA is simply...
01:01:15.400 The Levine Show TPA.
01:01:16.860 The Levine Show.
01:01:17.560 Is it your first TPA or did you have one for other events in the past?
01:01:20.780 We had one for the petition period.
01:01:22.520 So we were one of the few that actually did a TPA during the petition period, the signature period.
01:01:26.740 And then we did a second TPA during the referendum campaigning period.
01:01:30.740 Okay. And so for, for viewers, right, TPA is third party advertising, third party advertisers. Right. So, and, and there's several various or different ones that can be set up. Some are set up for campaigning during political campaigns. Some are set up. Now there's been a bit of confusion because yours is not the, some of the ones set up currently are for the referendum. Yours is set up for the referendum.
01:01:58.320 Okay, I thought it was under a different category.
01:02:01.400 So you're set up for the referendum.
01:02:02.880 Okay.
01:02:03.460 And how complicated is that just to set up a TPA?
01:02:06.400 Well, let's go ahead.
01:02:07.460 You did all the work.
01:02:08.480 Well, it's fairly straightforward.
01:02:10.040 The whole point is, though, that there is forms to fill out.
01:02:12.620 And one of the interesting things I discovered is that when completing the form,
01:02:16.960 the very last set is they ask you to basically answer the 10-question referendum that's upcoming,
01:02:22.260 I guess, to see what side are you on.
01:02:24.560 But it was very, very interesting.
01:02:25.880 That was the new discovery.
01:02:26.700 the yes so the questions one to nine was a yes no and then the very last one question 10 was
01:02:31.020 option one option two wow okay and um why why would you set up a tpa what what motivated you
01:02:38.520 guys to want to set up a tpa the first one during the petition period when the signatures were being
01:02:43.220 collected we were doing lots of events going out there doing our events which we're doing anyways
01:02:47.180 we've been doing this way before the petition period but there was concern about whether or
01:02:51.640 not we were crossing the line in any way shape or form because we do collect donations to put
01:02:55.980 our events on and we are talking about independent subject matter but we weren't actually saying go
01:03:01.020 sign we weren't actually doing that step of saying go sign because if you did that then you have to
01:03:05.020 be a tpa and then as uh this kind of grew out uh mitch sylvester and his team stay free alberta
01:03:11.420 felt far more comfortable using events that have tpas associated with them if they're going to send
01:03:17.020 campaign or canvassers there so we wanted to make sure everybody was comfortable with that yeah i
01:03:21.340 I guess we should go back to that, right?
01:03:22.720 So, during a political campaign in Alberta
01:03:26.440 and probably most jurisdictions in Canada,
01:03:30.220 people are not simply free to advertise,
01:03:35.580 to share their opinions.
01:03:37.180 I mean, the moment you share your opinion,
01:03:39.020 you're crossing the line.
01:03:41.500 I guess, explain that to us.
01:03:43.160 Like, what's the difference between being a journalist?
01:03:45.280 Because you guys are fundamentally journalists,
01:03:47.980 but then you sort of cross a line during a campaign
01:03:50.700 where you're not just reporting on the campaign?
01:03:52.440 Is that the concept?
01:03:54.040 Well, during the first petition period
01:03:55.720 when we made the conscious decision
01:03:57.000 not to cross that line,
01:03:58.340 which would be go sign the petition.
01:04:00.260 Like if you say go sign the petition,
01:04:01.880 you're a proponent of it.
01:04:03.060 And then that means you've crossed the line.
01:04:04.860 And also you need to spend over $1,000
01:04:07.060 on your advertising towards that messaging.
01:04:10.120 If you do those two things,
01:04:11.900 then you're now in the third party advertiser category.
01:04:15.360 We made the conscious decision
01:04:16.500 during the petition period not to cross that line
01:04:18.840 because we wanted to focus on the journalism and have speakers.
01:04:22.100 Now, luckily for the Alberta elections rules for financial contributions,
01:04:26.700 if you're doing speeches, commentary, news, those are exceptions.
01:04:31.040 You don't actually have to register for it.
01:04:32.980 But we took that step just to be safe and be careful.
01:04:36.040 And we also did all the reporting as well.
01:04:38.040 When it comes to the current one, the referendum one,
01:04:41.020 because we've taken a conscious decision to say vote option two on October 19th,
01:04:45.600 that crosses the line.
01:04:46.860 And we definitely are spending a lot more than $1,000 on this campaign.
01:04:50.420 So we have to be a third party.
01:04:51.580 Yeah.
01:04:51.700 And before we move on, I just want to, just about you, you crossed the line in a big way
01:04:56.740 in the past, right?
01:04:57.700 You actually campaigned.
01:04:59.840 Oh, our federal election, municipal election.
01:05:02.540 I've been doing a lot to get involved because that was my initial motivation was to represent
01:05:07.100 my neighbors and get involved behind the scenes inside of lawmaking.
01:05:11.340 That's why I ran as an MP in the federal and a counselor for the municipal.
01:05:14.640 So you've been a private citizen.
01:05:16.860 Still are. Yeah. You've ran for politics, not successfully, though, at this point.
01:05:21.620 Well, it was a great learning experience from that perspective, for sure.
01:05:24.540 Yeah. And then you've done media and now you're in this instance, you're a bit of a, what would you call it? A lobbyist?
01:05:33.860 Campaigner. I think campaigner is a fair word.
01:05:35.760 A proper word? Campaigner. Okay. Okay. Excellent. Yeah. You know, I mean, I was in sort of not quite the same way.
01:05:42.600 I mean, I'm a private citizen, right?
01:05:44.480 A lot of people think that I'm more than a private citizen,
01:05:47.180 but I'm a private citizen who perhaps has an audience
01:05:49.680 and that gives me a bigger voice.
01:05:52.020 But I am just still a private citizen.
01:05:54.960 During the petition period at the beginning
01:05:58.280 when Mitch filed his paperwork
01:06:00.600 and started collecting signatures,
01:06:02.260 I avoided, I did not become a canvasser at first
01:06:05.240 because I was worried of perhaps repercussions
01:06:11.480 from Elections Alberta.
01:06:12.600 I literally was worried about that, that they would come and say, well, you're not a private citizen.
01:06:17.700 You have too much of an audience.
01:06:19.160 And so then I explored it a little bit.
01:06:20.760 And then I realized, no, I'm a private citizen and I can collect signatures.
01:06:24.000 And so I was reluctant at first, but then I, you know, I jumped on board and became a canvasser.
01:06:31.160 And what a canvasser you became.
01:06:33.000 Holy smokes.
01:06:33.620 Thank you, Matt, Marty.
01:06:34.580 Well, I mean, I joke about that.
01:06:37.560 I spent, not just me, actually, me and my wife, Karen.
01:06:42.040 We became somewhat of a popular among canvassers because we had a very, I call it like a fishing spot, right?
01:06:53.020 For me, canvassing was like fishing.
01:06:54.680 At first, I'd load my pickup truck with my signs, the flags were the lure, and then I would drive around.
01:07:02.440 And in the beginning, I'd tried a couple of different places.
01:07:04.920 I honestly thought at first it was going to be very easy to just collect signatures.
01:07:08.740 It took a lot of effort.
01:07:10.220 and eventually we found a cool spot it was my fishing hole right so it was the corner of uh
01:07:16.400 bow valley bow trail and bear's paw road and we became a fixture there and people would come
01:07:21.720 and um sign a petition and we spent i'd say about 200 hours like 200 hours all told uh collecting
01:07:31.320 by the way and and the people came to visit us i was amazed at the generosity and i was worried
01:07:37.820 about that too right i had people who would bring something as simple as a coffee and i i would post
01:07:43.920 about that you know a picture of me with somebody and saying thank you for bringing me a coffee and
01:07:47.920 i had people report us yep yeah i saw that and that that was unfortunate yeah yeah yeah reporting
01:07:53.260 me for accepting a coffee i'm like anyways uh you know so so what do you guys uh what what's
01:07:59.640 what are you doing with this money that you're collecting as a third-party advertiser every dime
01:08:04.400 in a dime has to go out we have to report all of that by the end because anything that's left over
01:08:09.280 at the end it has to go to a charity or elections alberta so we want zero dollars left at the end
01:08:13.760 back to elections alberta you have to spend it spend it so we're doing lawn signs we're doing
01:08:19.040 digital billboards we're doing events booking the venues flying people out accommodations all of
01:08:24.160 those are valid campaign uh expenses yeah so we're doing a lot of that and and and then you're you're
01:08:29.760 I guess you're constantly navigating that fine line between because you still are journalists or do you suspend your journalism during this period?
01:08:38.400 Well, we keep the show separate from the TPA.
01:08:41.220 So our morning show is still the morning show.
01:08:43.220 We bring on guests, anybody that wants to come on, we talk to them.
01:08:46.480 But then after we take that hat off, we get onto the road and do other things.
01:08:49.560 We keep it separate.
01:08:50.580 And Paula's been fantastic with the books and making sure everything's separate so we're not crossing any lines.
01:08:54.900 In fact, she gets so detail oriented that she'll call Elections Alberta and say, we want to sell hats. How are we allowed to do that? We want to do it correctly. How do we allocate that money? How do we account for the cost? How do we do that? And she does a lot of those phone calls.
01:09:09.480 We'll come back to that. I want to know about the relationship you personally have with Elections Alberta, but before we go too far. So like I said, this is a telethon. I have a hard time with that word. I don't know why. Telethon.
01:09:21.680 and um there's no phones around yeah so if you go to www.albertatelethon.com you will see all
01:09:30.920 the tpas they're all listed there so at this event this week we're promoting seven of them i think
01:09:35.680 there's a few more i think there's about 12 maybe 13 um i i don't think i i might be mistaken but i
01:09:43.320 think that 12 or the seven are listed on the screen next to me here if not go to albertatelethon.com
01:09:50.640 and they're listed there now if you want to donate to them you have to donate to them individually
01:09:55.440 and so in your case what's your tpa called where do people go to donate to yours so the levine show
01:10:00.960 dot com forward slash tpa and then you click on the donate button there you can check our events
01:10:06.080 you can become a volunteer you can request a lawn sign everything's on that particular page and so
01:10:11.040 uh and every tpa is probably set up differently i imagine different but the same at the same
01:10:16.320 about the same kind of thing okay and what do you like how do people donate is
01:10:19.740 it credit cards is it PayPal what is it so we do credit card and we also do e
01:10:24.360 transfer so the way we did our e transfers you request the link from us
01:10:27.960 by filling in the details we need in order to accept it because e transfers
01:10:31.800 if we just put the email address on the website people can send it to them and
01:10:35.760 we don't collect their information and if we don't know who they are and we
01:10:39.060 can't contact them back that money goes straight to Elections Alberta not us
01:10:42.120 because that's the rule that they said
01:10:47.440 and you're complying with the rule.
01:10:48.860 Now, do they audit you, the elections in Alberta?
01:10:51.660 They will at the end.
01:10:52.480 At the end of it, we're going to be submitting
01:10:54.380 all of the contributions that came in.
01:10:57.300 We'll also be then accounting for each of our expenses.
01:10:59.660 And yes, there will be an audit at the end.
01:11:01.260 So we want to make sure as we go through,
01:11:03.600 each I is dotted and then each T is crossed.
01:11:07.040 Because again, if we receive something in
01:11:09.280 and we cannot identify the contributor,
01:11:11.020 we can't accept it and we can't we then subsequently and there's rules around
01:11:16.780 identifying the contributor where the contributor's from yes yes where do they have to be from they
01:11:23.380 have to be a resident of alberta sorry for those who are out of province who would love to support
01:11:27.200 the cause and the one who did and the one who did the gentleman from manitoba he wanted to
01:11:31.680 he actually sent a contribution by a credit card and when i looked i was like oh manitoba sorry
01:11:37.180 so I reached out to him saying sorry we have to refund
01:11:39.820 but I work in Alberta
01:11:41.100 however you're not a resident
01:11:42.920 so we did have to refund him his contribution
01:11:45.800 but it was really heartfelt to see
01:11:47.900 that someone out of province
01:11:49.380 wanted to contribute to the Alberta Clause
01:11:51.600 so thank you very much
01:11:52.480 that's good to hear
01:11:54.160 so it has to live in Alberta
01:11:57.260 now I'm sure there's ways
01:11:58.420 if somebody lives outside of Alberta
01:12:00.640 and you want to contribute or do something for the movement
01:12:03.200 I'm sure there's a way
01:12:04.080 what would you suggest for somebody like that?
01:12:07.180 Share the stuff out, have conversations with people,
01:12:11.720 reach out to people you know in Alberta.
01:12:13.800 That's another way to get it,
01:12:14.820 get people aware of what's going on
01:12:16.300 and how to support that way.
01:12:17.740 But when it comes to the financial contributions,
01:12:19.500 unlike somebody else we'll talk about later,
01:12:21.440 when it comes to the financial contributions,
01:12:23.140 it has to be a resident of Alberta.
01:12:24.720 Now there's, I mean, I'm not advocating loopholes,
01:12:28.260 but I think there are probably
01:12:30.960 sort of unintentional loopholes.
01:12:32.780 Like if you're having an event
01:12:35.700 and you have a bucket there and you're collecting a few bucks from people at that event,
01:12:40.240 are you verifying that they're from Alberta?
01:12:42.840 So we contacted Elections Alberta about that on two different fronts.
01:12:47.540 One, who are the people?
01:12:49.200 And two, how do we control whether or not they put $50 or less in there?
01:12:52.960 And what Elections Alberta actually guided us on is that you can pass the bucket
01:12:56.260 and count it at the end.
01:12:58.240 You don't have to do anything as the bucket's going around.
01:13:00.780 So they answered that question clearly because in the federal election,
01:13:04.700 And we actually had to take attendance and then do the math and see what the average was.
01:13:09.280 And if we fell outside the average, then we had some trouble.
01:13:12.960 I'm in favor of some of this.
01:13:14.480 I mean, I am in favor, but at the same time, it's an example of our democracy.
01:13:24.420 Some of our institutions are becoming so complicated for just the average person to participate.
01:13:28.900 right like to me this is like wow this is this is the steps you have to take as a third party
01:13:36.700 advertiser as a politician as a candidate did you have to take similar steps absolutely yeah for
01:13:41.800 sure especially on the municipal one too we had to make sure where donations were coming from and
01:13:46.480 they had to be from the area we didn't actually do donations during the campaign the missile one
01:13:51.740 we actually just covered that ourselves but the federal one we had the same thing we had to
01:13:55.440 register everybody. So being a politician is, or running, representation running is no longer just
01:14:01.700 about, hey, putting your hand up at a nomination meeting and say, I'm happy to run as the MLA or
01:14:07.320 the MP. There's criminal record checks. We have to go through the, provide all court cases we've
01:14:12.420 ever been involved in. There's a lot of background that goes into this now. And to me, as an observer,
01:14:16.960 it feels like certain people have to jump through more hoops than others. Because when I look at all
01:14:21.880 the politicians that are elected at all levels in our country i go wow there's no way that person
01:14:28.200 did what you just said right um now i mean i want to jump in i was going to go to the bit of the
01:14:36.120 double standard but but before we go there how is your relationship with elections alberta um it's
01:14:41.320 pretty good i can't complain they are available by email and by call and when we have had this like
01:14:46.120 you know what we're going to be doing an event later we've got some questions i give them a call
01:14:49.960 i've been fortunate enough to get a call back if i've had to leave a message so um no complaints
01:14:55.200 quite frankly and the tools work like the tools work my little little time consuming yeah it's
01:15:00.140 time consuming but my little wish list would be that uh right now we we um submit our contributions
01:15:06.220 we have the ability to do it throughout the day and then we file on thursdays i'd love to do that
01:15:10.720 with our expenses so i have this disconcerned at the end of it all i'm not just going to be giving
01:15:15.520 them one number but because i'm probably gonna have to itemize everything i'd love i'd love to
01:15:20.120 be able to be submitting that right now so that's on the suggestion box yeah and again you know um
01:15:25.100 i mean i don't want to get controversial here but the private sector you guys are providing some
01:15:31.480 pretty important financial reporting and and as part of transparency and i don't think that
01:15:37.200 transparency is reciprocated by our government no in fact there's three exceptions to who has
01:15:42.640 to do the transparency requirements on any of this.
01:15:45.880 If you're a political party, so NDP or UCP,
01:15:49.720 if you're an MLA or constituency association,
01:15:53.320 those are the three exceptions.
01:15:54.560 They can go and advertise for this referendum all day long
01:15:57.260 without disclosing anything,
01:15:58.700 and they have none of the limits we have.
01:16:00.440 Okay, so let's go there.
01:16:01.660 So they're right now on the, let's call it the stay side.
01:16:05.920 Is that what we're calling it, the stay side? 0.52
01:16:07.620 Or the forever communist side?
01:16:10.000 I don't know.
01:16:10.320 So on the stay side, there are a couple of groups that are prominent.
01:16:15.340 One is, of course, Thomas Lukasik's group.
01:16:19.380 In your opinion, should he be following the same rules as you?
01:16:24.240 Right.
01:16:24.660 So I have some legal training, and there's two things I want to explain here.
01:16:28.020 There's the letter of the law and then the spirit of the law.
01:16:31.560 The letter of the law says you cannot go over 60 kilometers an hour.
01:16:35.820 The spirit of the law is, well, in an emergency, you're running to the hospital.
01:16:38.540 We will overlook it.
01:16:39.460 yeah uh under the letter of the law he's on the safe side right now because he's not even saying
01:16:44.420 option one he's not mentioning the date he's not telling them what to do on the referendum which
01:16:48.580 is the line yeah however on the spirit of the law is he campaigning by all metrics and measures for
01:16:54.900 sure right so he's he's uh he's walking a very fine line so his posters for instance don't say
01:17:01.780 choose a or b his posters are choose unity choose unity okay so he gets away with that and that was
01:17:07.940 part of that. And that was
01:17:09.620 almost word for word in the bulletin
01:17:12.140 that Elections Alberta put out
01:17:13.880 yesterday or two days ago.
01:17:15.840 It was last week and I read that one. It was basically
01:17:17.860 here, Thomas, here are the rules and you're okay.
01:17:20.020 Yeah. It's basically the bulletin. Okay, because I
01:17:21.880 made a comment on X. I thought, wow,
01:17:23.900 they're making an interpretation
01:17:25.700 based on him in particular.
01:17:28.000 It felt that way, sure. It felt that way.
01:17:30.220 And that's
01:17:31.980 an example. Now, there's another
01:17:33.480 for Alberta 1.00
01:17:35.040 vote to stay.
01:17:37.940 the Nenshi group, what's his, for Alberta, for
01:17:40.680 something like that. For Canada,
01:17:42.820 FAFC, something like that. Anyway, so
01:17:44.740 that's Nenshi. Yeah. And that's,
01:17:47.480 there's probably a little
01:17:48.800 NDP logo in the bottom corner. There is, at the very bottom
01:17:50.840 of his webpage, it says NDP party.
01:17:53.000 So he goes around, he's, at that
01:17:54.920 point, he's a political
01:17:57.060 party with representation
01:17:59.000 in Alberta, and he has almost
01:18:00.960 unlimited budget. Yeah, using party funds,
01:18:02.980 absolutely. And the same thing for the Alberta
01:18:04.720 Referendum 2026 website from Danielle
01:18:06.800 Smith and UCP. That one
01:18:08.880 also falls under that exception. I forget that
01:18:10.860 one. Right. So, she's
01:18:13.200 okay. Right. Right.
01:18:14.700 I forget that one. She's got all the 10
01:18:16.780 questions on there and she
01:18:18.280 has her position. Now, I haven't gone to
01:18:20.880 look. Do we still have
01:18:22.280 a Liberal Party in Alberta, I
01:18:24.780 think. I'll have to go see where they stand on all
01:18:26.840 of this. But then the new up-and-coming
01:18:29.020 party, what are they called?
01:18:30.920 Oh, yeah. The Tory one? Yeah. Alberta
01:18:32.640 Tories or something? That's the Alberta Party rebranded.
01:18:35.080 Yeah. Interesting. Awesome.
01:18:36.800 um yeah okay so where um where do we go from here let me give you some of the legal
01:18:44.240 not so much loopholes but some of the things people don't understand that they can do
01:18:48.480 so not that you're advocating this you know i'm just pointing out providing the rules you're
01:18:52.400 providing so the rules are cash donations or donations of 50 or less does not require a tpa
01:18:59.040 to get your identity there's no rule that says you can't make a subsequent and a subsequent and
01:19:04.640 And a subsequent FYI, um, two 50 and up, you end up, no, not two 50 up two 50 and below.
01:19:11.540 You do not end up on the Alberta, uh, elections, Alberta website with your name in the report,
01:19:16.100 but that's per TPA.
01:19:18.600 That's not a cumulative over the TPAs.
01:19:20.880 So if you gave us two 50 and another one, two 50, it's not like suddenly you end up
01:19:24.800 on the website.
01:19:25.560 Yes.
01:19:25.840 Right.
01:19:26.020 So that's cool.
01:19:26.880 And, uh, the last one I want to let people know is there's no age limit.
01:19:30.300 So every family member has the 5,000 limit.
01:19:33.580 Right.
01:19:34.220 Yeah.
01:19:34.460 A family of four would be $20,000.
01:19:36.320 I'm a weirdo.
01:19:37.740 I'm in the same category as you in this sense.
01:19:40.000 I do follow politics closely.
01:19:41.980 I do go to the elections in Alberta, and I go pull the financial reports.
01:19:46.180 And I always encourage people.
01:19:47.700 I mean, that's one of the things I do on X, right, is I'm showing people how to be good citizens.
01:19:54.240 And these are the things you should do.
01:19:55.880 If you're not involved politically, maybe you're not running, but you should still know what's going on and go to the website and go check out Thomas Lukasik's financial statements.
01:20:03.680 and then you will see just what you said.
01:20:05.740 It's like, oh, interesting that six people
01:20:07.640 with the same last name
01:20:08.920 are donating $5,000 each, right?
01:20:12.260 Now, let me ask you this.
01:20:14.000 Well, just to be clear,
01:20:14.720 Thomas, he hasn't disclosed that for this period.
01:20:17.020 He did for his petition period,
01:20:19.100 but he also has on his website,
01:20:20.520 anybody can donate and no limits.
01:20:23.080 So he's doing something very good.
01:20:23.940 And he had money left over from the...
01:20:25.680 $187,000 or something.
01:20:27.380 That's a lot.
01:20:27.680 That is a lot.
01:20:28.300 Like for us, that would be everything.
01:20:30.000 Yes.
01:20:30.580 Yeah, and what's your limit?
01:20:31.660 Your total limit?
01:20:32.260 $607,000.
01:20:33.460 607 000 so between between the there's we're promoting seven tpas here like i said there's
01:20:40.160 perhaps a dozen but if we if the seven each do 600 000 that's only three and a half million bucks
01:20:46.720 like or four and a half million bucks ballpark right um compared to the other side compared to
01:20:52.720 nenshi compared to others that's not a lot and that doesn't go very far right now we learned this
01:20:57.940 during um we learned this during the petition collection period the signature collection
01:21:03.100 period like people said we should uh you know stay free alberta should have done more big events
01:21:07.360 a big event at uh a big event at most halls is what like if you're going to rent a hall somewhere
01:21:13.840 and you're going to try and you did an event you and i went on on a tour uh for when in april what's
01:21:20.320 a typical event i would say the average is about 800 bucks or so right for 100 to 150 people but
01:21:26.080 you get higher than that then it definitely gets so you get events and then buying flags buying
01:21:30.880 trying to get advertising if we could get advertising right like uh could you could we run
01:21:35.360 an ad on the ctv technically the crct they can't deny you yeah but in canada they don't have the
01:21:42.480 equal opportunity rules like they do in the us so the democrats have to get so much and so the
01:21:48.480 republicans they have to have equal amount yeah we don't have those rules yeah and they can in their
01:21:53.600 own way deny you and then you have to take it up to the next stage because i've honestly not seen
01:21:58.180 any ads on the platforms that i'm familiar like i'm on youtube a lot i see ndp ads on youtube all
01:22:05.360 the time i haven't seen any of our group our side put any advertising so far maybe some will come
01:22:10.240 um where was i going with oh this is a question i was going to ask so
01:22:14.900 am i ever at risk of getting a knock in a letter from elections alberta like i mean i don't
01:22:23.020 advertise? Do I advertise?
01:22:25.460 I'm a private citizen, so
01:22:26.800 how do I say to
01:22:28.820 Elections Alberta? What's my
01:22:30.940 defense? Well, there are two
01:22:32.880 things you have to do in order to get
01:22:34.740 their attention. One, you
01:22:36.840 have to say vote, option one,
01:22:38.960 option two, yes, no. Because I am pretty close to
01:22:40.820 saying that, right? But that's just
01:22:42.780 one piece of it. The second one is, then
01:22:44.780 you have to spend more than
01:22:46.700 $1,000 towards the advertising of
01:22:48.860 that. Which I'm not. So if you
01:22:50.700 bought Facebook ads or X ads
01:22:52.700 or boosted your post, that would count.
01:22:55.100 Okay, but the $8 I pay Elon Musk to be on that platform.
01:22:58.760 Well, even that's well under $1,000.
01:23:00.100 It's well under $1,000, so I can stay on X all day long
01:23:02.600 and say, hey, folks, vote for Alberta independence.
01:23:06.580 And that bulletin you read laid that out.
01:23:08.440 It actually says, if you're online and you're just doing posts,
01:23:12.020 those don't count.
01:23:12.900 But if you boost them, then you're spending money, then they count.
01:23:15.560 But the fact that I make a few bucks online, that's...
01:23:17.980 No, that's income.
01:23:18.780 That's income.
01:23:19.380 It has to be expenses to advertise them by you.
01:23:21.320 I'm allowed to make income, but I'm not. Okay, cool.
01:23:23.340 All right. All right. So I'm. You're clear.
01:23:25.520 I'm clear. I thought I was.
01:23:27.160 I thought I was, but I mean, you know.
01:23:29.760 And another way that you're clear is
01:23:31.280 you're commentating. That is an
01:23:33.240 exception to the rules. So if you're commentating,
01:23:35.660 you can do that. And that's a whole
01:23:37.220 other topic for another day, right? I think,
01:23:39.980 I mean, was it today? It's today.
01:23:41.600 It's today. C9 goes into effect.
01:23:43.900 So get all your speech out now.
01:23:45.020 Actually, that one's actually hate.
01:23:47.080 I'm more worried about,
01:23:48.740 what's the one?
01:23:49.760 C22, there's a couple of bills
01:23:52.900 that are trying to
01:23:56.120 it goes back to what we were saying earlier
01:23:58.300 the ability to participate
01:24:01.040 is getting tougher in our democracy
01:24:03.240 and they're making it tough
01:24:05.000 to participate as a candidate
01:24:06.860 they're making it tough as a commentator
01:24:09.000 and as we get censored
01:24:10.860 absolutely
01:24:11.680 I'm glad you said tough of a candidate
01:24:14.260 if you run as an independent candidate
01:24:16.620 with no party affiliation, it's even harder
01:24:18.660 you have more financial restrictions you cannot do anything until the rits drop
01:24:23.440 all day long all the time they can actually collect donations at any time and put it towards
01:24:29.740 the campaign when the writ drops as an independent you can't do that and you also have limits on your
01:24:34.680 personal contributions that you don't see on a party level either so there's even restrictions
01:24:39.440 so if you really think canada can vote in an independent candidate and i went through all of
01:24:44.760 this this is what was so difficult was on the financial side we actually have a lot more
01:24:48.960 restrictions on us probably the fastest path is run under one of the parties and even the purple
01:24:53.860 one kicked out even the purple one but uh that does allow you to have a lot more access to
01:24:59.060 financial support yeah yeah interesting yeah it's uh i worry about the censorship side of it and
01:25:05.800 it's getting worse i joke but i don't think it's a joke i think many of us will not be on social
01:25:10.060 media in a year from now we'll have been silenced to the point where we'll be we'll just give up
01:25:15.420 there's no doubt elections alberta's watching right now yeah and there's no doubt that there's
01:25:19.560 people out there trying to find us and find a slip up and send it to elections alberta and
01:25:23.560 report it like i'm good probably 20 everybody watching right now are hoping we fail because
01:25:28.580 they're trying to find a way to get us in trouble yeah and and i've lived it i'm sure you live it
01:25:33.400 but there there are things that happen in our lives now as as as commentators as influencers
01:25:39.040 as people putting our necks out there on a cause,
01:25:42.360 there are things that start to happen that are not coincidences.
01:25:44.840 I've had way too many weird events in the last four months
01:25:49.260 and they're not coincidences.
01:25:50.420 When somebody's parked out back in my 40 acres
01:25:53.260 and almost has binoculars on me,
01:25:56.240 yeah, they're listening to us.
01:25:58.140 And when we do the long sign handouts and stuff,
01:26:02.640 there's always a vehicle somewhere down there
01:26:04.660 that never picks up a sign and they just hang out.
01:26:07.080 I'm sure people are watching.
01:26:08.460 When I had my pop-up, they weren't even hiding it.
01:26:11.320 They weren't even hiding it.
01:26:12.820 I mean, the way I was managing it, I had a pretty good group of volunteers, right?
01:26:17.740 So I didn't have to go to the spot every day.
01:26:20.560 So I would send people.
01:26:21.780 But I got into the habits, like nobody's going alone.
01:26:24.320 Like there'd be days where I might have to run somewhere and Karen would say, well, I'll go.
01:26:29.500 And I'll be like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:26:31.120 Like you're not going alone.
01:26:32.140 There's too many crazies.
01:26:33.620 And there was one day where I wasn't there and I get a text and it's one of my buddies says,
01:26:37.500 there's a van parked across the street and they got they got they got eyes on us is what he said
01:26:41.860 i'm like okay so i drove over there i went knocked on the door and that guy was uh not very nice
01:26:47.300 right away and then he put the camera on me turned out that he was that one was a genuine
01:26:52.700 i accept his the explanation afterwards that he was genuinely looking for somebody else okay but
01:27:00.180 anyways um are they knocking on the door no no no like i'm like um i mean time goes by fast but
01:27:06.700 doesn't go by that fast so um so what else so um let's talk a bit about independence then so what
01:27:14.460 brought you guys on to the movement uh i'll start with that one so before the federal election run
01:27:20.460 i was talking to a lot of people as part of my candidacy i was going out there talking to people
01:27:24.860 and that was the number one thing people brought up that they're tired of trying because as a
01:27:29.340 federal candidate trying to change the system on the federal level that's my platform here are the
01:27:34.700 the things I want to do for you here are the changes I want to bring to you and a lot of people
01:27:38.020 are going well that's great but we just want out we don't want you to try and fix it it's already
01:27:41.960 broken yeah so I had a lot of conversations like that that made me go huh maybe they're right and
01:27:47.880 as I was making my way towards uh April 25th uh to actually have the vote I started to understand
01:27:53.080 that what the representation that was wanted from me in Parkland County was to represent uh
01:27:59.480 Sovereign Alberta, whatever that looked like and head towards a vote and then represent them after
01:28:04.820 the vote. So that's what I put into my campaign messaging was the support of Maxine Bernier who
01:28:09.420 said, absolutely, a Sovereign Alberta is the right message. Go do that. Because that's what I was
01:28:14.800 going to promise to my constituency was if you vote for this, I will be that voice in the house
01:28:20.620 that fights for you on this because that house is not going to fight for you.
01:28:23.780 But you, okay, so you heard that from constituents and so you're acting as the
01:28:28.340 representative but had you made that same sort of not yet you hadn't jumped there okay so on april
01:28:34.820 25th you're late to the part or late-ish to the i went through an education phase first to
01:28:40.060 understand really what are all the generational issues with canada yeah because i came to alberta
01:28:45.500 late in life and then that's where i got that education and then the actual election results
01:28:50.360 where we saw the two parties go as high as they ever been we've seen before third parties all
01:28:55.100 took a nosedive all albertans got behind the conservatives and it didn't change anything
01:29:00.340 by 806 the results came out and we weren't even counting our votes yet yeah so at that moment i'm
01:29:06.160 like that was the last chance to try and fix canada in the old system that's when and let me
01:29:10.540 show you the actual decision was uh jeff rath reached out to me uh election night and he read
01:29:15.800 to me his message to alberta that he released the next day and it was a great message it was very
01:29:20.440 inspiring. Then Mitch Sylvester talked to me. He said, we got 4,000 new members an hour since the
01:29:26.800 election was called. And we're very, very excited about going. And then Danielle Smith sent a
01:29:32.220 message and said, watch for my announcement tomorrow. We're doing election reform and we're
01:29:37.360 going to make sure that everybody's ready for this. And that was when she dropped it to 10%
01:29:41.140 and other things. That's when I knew that there was a huge drive to push towards independence
01:29:46.420 amongst all of the movers and shakers that that that win that night was uh of carney was a great
01:29:52.380 push for independence but i just want to come back to something perhaps maybe not everybody who heard
01:29:58.580 what he just said is familiar with this but i'll go back a few years earlier back in the um so
01:30:04.860 when there's an election when there's a federal election we used to be in a total blackout yeah
01:30:10.520 back in those days that's right when in those days we used to get our news from cbc so on the day of
01:30:15.400 the election in Alberta, we would not get
01:30:17.460 any news from what was happening
01:30:19.520 in the rest of the country until
01:30:21.460 the polls closed here.
01:30:23.800 Now, we could find out. So, when I was
01:30:25.420 a young adult, you know, 25 years
01:30:27.540 old, if I wanted to know, I could have called my mom
01:30:29.720 in Ontario and say, hey, mom,
01:30:31.640 what are the results looking like, right?
01:30:33.500 Today, you can kind of do it with the internet, even
01:30:35.500 though there's supposed to be blackouts. But
01:30:37.360 as a 25-year-old,
01:30:39.580 once the CBC would start to
01:30:41.520 report on the election at 8 o'clock,
01:30:43.320 because the polls closed here at 8,
01:30:45.400 At 8.05, we knew the results and our vote hadn't counted.
01:30:50.060 So my personal decision that night was it's broken.
01:30:55.080 We tried.
01:30:55.700 We did what we could.
01:30:56.800 It's time to shift gears now.
01:30:58.300 Yeah.
01:30:58.500 And you heard my story because Jason and I did it and Paula, we did a tour in April
01:31:05.300 and I told my story a bunch of times.
01:31:06.980 I mean, like you, I'm from Ontario.
01:31:09.180 I'm a transplanted Albertan.
01:31:10.720 I came here in the late 80s, early 90s.
01:31:14.760 I came here in 89 and I came here for work.
01:31:18.760 That's it for work.
01:31:19.720 And when I showed up here, there was this thing called the Alberta Advantage, which was simply work hard and you'll get rewarded.
01:31:28.620 And that that that helped me for decades.
01:31:32.720 I mean, I like my life was good, you know, able to raise a family and afford a small house and whatnot.
01:31:39.700 and something changed dramatically in the in the mid uh you know in 2012 13 14 and and so for me
01:31:46.580 it was a game changer was my my time working for trans canada when we're trying to build
01:31:51.380 he's oh no that's not the building no that's our phone
01:31:59.220 there's a child missing yeah so everybody pay attention to that one if you're in the area
01:32:04.980 must be calgary as long as it's legit that's legit yeah i mean again again then again no
01:32:10.340 coincidences right there's no coincidence even with our door going back and forth were you at
01:32:14.660 the main event uh the big event at the at the um yes big four i saw you there and someone pulled
01:32:21.620 the fire alarm somebody pulled the fire alarm right and then uh that was cool because uh people
01:32:26.020 pulled a fire alarm and i think was it eva chip or somebody maybe mitch whoever was on stage didn't
01:32:30.900 skip a beat kept on talking right and nobody left right nobody left uh i remember helping andrew uh
01:32:37.940 what's andrew's webs um uh andrew bocage what's his uh handle on x um andrew's the guy andrew's
01:32:45.940 the guy who went put the alberta flag on uh adam's island yeah anyways uh good job for doing that
01:32:51.620 andrew by the way uh and the second time too because someone tore it down it's gone now again
01:32:55.780 it's gone like that's so well maybe they wanted it on their property actually we'll talk about
01:33:00.260 that in a second but yeah that night andrew uh we helped andrew because while the fire alarm was
01:33:04.900 going on he lost one of his kids he couldn't find a kid and that's a for any parent who has a young
01:33:10.420 child yeah that's a moment of panic right let's talk about that actually let's talk about um so
01:33:16.100 andrew goes to adam's island and he adam's island for people who don't know is when you're driving
01:33:21.620 from alberta to banff you go by uh lac des arts by by can just before canmore and you'll see that
01:33:28.580 cement plant and there's a big lake and on the lake there's a little island and a lot of times
01:33:33.320 on the little island there'd be different flags i've seen the canadian flags i've seen an acadian
01:33:37.420 flag and andrew went out there and put an alberta flag and then some group subsequent to that went
01:33:43.940 and tore down his flag and put an alber a canadian flag then andrew went back and andrew did the
01:33:50.120 right thing he's like because when he went the first time he didn't take down anybody else's
01:33:53.960 flag he just put up an alberta flag when he went the second time he left the alberta the canadian
01:34:00.220 flag and then he put up his own and now the alberta one is gone again and we're seeing that
01:34:05.780 somebody asked me this regarding the signs right now um are we starting to is it starting to feel
01:34:14.660 like a campaign my answer was yes because we are seeing but let's but we're seeing signs so the
01:34:21.120 so the important we're seeing our signs go up but we're seeing the other side go up
01:34:25.240 but you broke a story yesterday or you reported a story what happened in red deer so in red deer
01:34:31.320 at cool shit uh which is a fantastic place because they have a lot of that what do they do there
01:34:35.580 it's everything but there's a lot of place or computer store or are they uh well you can buy 0.60
01:34:40.260 electronics there garden equipment or cleveralls it's basically a garage sale pawn shop plus retail
01:34:46.680 all in one okay it's really cool stuff you probably enjoy it okay to walk around like
01:34:50.280 alberta gear as well so he does have a lot of business he's a private business who's put his
01:34:55.980 neck out by selling alberta flags weird that that weird not weird sad that that becomes an issue
01:35:04.660 yep so what happened there was uh when we arrived because we were doing a pop-up for our sign
01:35:09.160 giveaway there he's a great guy rob i called him up said hey we'd like to use your parking lot can
01:35:13.900 way he's like absolutely because it's best to have permission from a private owner to do that
01:35:18.760 because even pop-ups are trouble like you saw with us in Edmonton with the police uh but anyways uh
01:35:24.680 as soon as we get there he's like they broke my windows this morning no and spray painted trader
01:35:28.720 on a sign uh at least it's felt it right just to be clear uh but yeah they did just and I asked
01:35:34.480 him you know how are you going to cover this insurance going to cover this is like 2,000
01:35:37.820 deductible it's best to just cover it himself so it's a financial loss for him but that's not even
01:35:43.000 the first time we've seen something like that.
01:35:44.440 Corey Morgan signed up.
01:35:45.160 Corey Morgan, yeah.
01:35:46.080 Spray-painted.
01:35:46.860 We saw somebody take a sign down on video.
01:35:50.680 We even had Mitch as far as the petition period
01:35:53.900 with that bullet incident in his shop. 1.00
01:35:56.280 Yeah, I had a crazy lady.
01:35:58.160 It wasn't me. 1.00
01:35:59.020 It was across the street.
01:35:59.920 So I had two pop-ups,
01:36:00.920 and then I actually had several incidents, right? 0.98
01:36:05.160 But the one was a lady got upset. 1.00
01:36:09.780 She put the camera...
01:36:11.920 oh i remember that one with the minivan i'll give my friend's name is sean right so sean
01:36:17.120 we had all been instructed you take out your phone once you take out your phone a lot of crazies 0.99
01:36:21.760 calm down right so sean took out his phone she grabbed his phone and she threw it in the in the
01:36:27.380 ditch funny thing kudos to iphone i don't know what he had an iphone 14 or whatever it kept on
01:36:33.320 recording even underwater you could hear the muffled sound then he brought it up and she went
01:36:37.480 around and she knocked down all our flags yeah that's crazy and i'm like at least you blocked
01:36:42.460 her license plate at the end yeah you're so upset that you're you're offended by the flag of this
01:36:48.820 province yeah and i'm not i mean yes i've given up on canada but i'm not offended by the flag of
01:36:54.760 cannot at all it's your not at all and if we ever become our own country it's still your flag i'm
01:36:59.460 not going to be offended but uh yeah it's crazy that flags are are used that way the justification
01:37:04.840 that they have for vandalism and theft is it's not acceptable that we see people are literally
01:37:10.280 taking having lawn signs taken off their lawn again they're having their businesses vandalized
01:37:16.100 yeah just because you believe that you are correct doesn't mean it's so and it's quite there's a lot
01:37:22.820 of illegal activity and what were the did the police advise well you know it works both ways
01:37:27.920 however we are not actually going out and stealing Canadian flags Canadian lawn signs or anything like
01:37:33.080 that and and and sorry to cut you off but i was disappointed during the signature collection
01:37:38.560 period that uh that none of the political parties were coming out against that like
01:37:44.520 like i wanted danielle to say listen this is like condemn it condemn it right menchi you should
01:37:50.200 condemn it you should all condemn it this is this is in fact and you mentioned traitor i got called
01:37:55.840 a traitor so many times and i i'm like there's no pure first of all it's not it's not treasonous
01:38:01.580 no it's in our laws i'm allowed to do this a province is allowed to separate and i'm simply
01:38:07.060 exercising a democratic right like i'm sitting on the side of the road collecting signatures
01:38:11.840 and i want to come back to that but you sorry i interrupted you you had something you wanted to
01:38:15.760 say well i just want to kind of build on what paula was saying there about one every 20 people
01:38:20.100 that come to grab a lawn sign choose not to take a lawn sign because they're worried about the cars
01:38:24.060 being keyed right and someone attacking them and just putting themselves out there right but they
01:38:28.220 just stop by to say hey i just want you to know support what you're doing keep it up thank you
01:38:32.400 very much would you like free lawn sign no i'm more worried about my neighbor or someone attacking
01:38:37.440 my car and stuff and that's sad because it's true but it does work right i mean um i put up a lawn
01:38:44.600 sign yes i had i put up a lawn sign because some of us are people say you're brave to do it but we
01:38:50.360 some of us need to be brave to encourage others to do it right um it was fascinating when i was on
01:38:56.980 the side of the road i know i know that there were people that were driving and trying like don't
01:39:01.480 look yeah we'll see those two times right there's there's something going on but don't look but i
01:39:06.440 know that i reach people regardless because um you know marty's on the side of the road and some
01:39:13.580 people came by and said what are you doing it's like oh that's all i needed perfect if after 20
01:39:17.760 days you finally stopped and asked what i'm doing that's awesome well you're a data guy so let me
01:39:23.220 give you some data over the last few days because we've been going around sitting on the side of
01:39:26.460 highways doing this again um for every sign that gets picked up a little bit for every sign that
01:39:32.700 gets picked up we get about five honks pro honks right supportive for every honk we get about 10
01:39:39.140 thumbs up and silence explain what you're doing it'd be very pragmatic so you're you're you're
01:39:43.780 setting up i'm i'm breaking up into three different groups of support no no i mean what are you doing
01:39:49.000 on what are you oh we just have we're driving somewhere and you have piles of signs and you're
01:39:53.060 handing out signs. Exactly. Yeah. So kind of like the petition period where you're collecting
01:39:56.700 signatures, now we're handing out the signs. Right. And a lot of people will yell, I've signed
01:40:00.720 already. We're like, well, come get your sign. But what I'm getting at is there's three groups
01:40:04.740 of support out there. The silent ones that won't honk, but they're supportive. Yeah. They let you
01:40:08.740 know. They're the ones that are willing to honk. And then the ones that are willing to pull over
01:40:11.620 and put up a sign. So there's a lot more support out there than people think. One third, one third,
01:40:16.480 one third. It's a rule, right? I mean, one third of the people are totally decided on
01:40:21.820 independence one third are against it and there's that middle ground we're not seeing that third
01:40:25.420 anymore though we uh for the rocky mountain we had two people one thumbs down and one guy that's
01:40:31.520 kind of rode on his bike says make sure you include everybody i'm like well we are we are
01:40:35.240 but you know last week at i you and i had a chat right i told you i was driving up to grand cash
01:40:39.740 and i was following the cowboy trail and i had every intention of documenting all the alberta
01:40:44.860 flags because i've driven the cowboy trail folks is like highway 22 right that sort of parallels
01:40:49.160 the uh the the rockies and it goes from uh i think it goes all the way at the alberta u.s border
01:40:55.940 and it goes all the way up north to grand cash basically so i was following that heading up to
01:41:00.020 grand cash and i told jason i've i've been driving it many times and over time i've noticed the
01:41:04.340 number of flags that's alberta independence land yeah actually along there up in bonnieville there's
01:41:09.600 a few big pockets that are really um and uh and i was ready to document it but then all the alberta
01:41:16.920 flags now across from them
01:41:18.740 are Canadian flags.
01:41:20.400 I've noticed an increased
01:41:22.640 effort to try to
01:41:24.880 counter the
01:41:26.400 flags. And that's democracy.
01:41:28.260 That's democracy. And I don't get mad I've seen a Canadian flag at all.
01:41:30.700 Yeah, yeah. Now I've got to give a shout out.
01:41:32.620 I mean, there's some little towns. I drove
01:41:34.440 through Tomahawk. I don't know. You're close
01:41:36.560 to Tomahawk, right? I don't
01:41:38.720 go through Drayton. A lot of times when I'm heading
01:41:40.460 north, I purposely go through Tomahawk
01:41:42.240 because gas is cheaper there and
01:41:44.240 it is one of the most...
01:41:46.440 they had your signs all over the place you know the guy who did that you know who did that okay
01:41:51.000 so shout out to tomahawk yeah our buddy cliff yeah shout out to cliff directly yeah and then
01:41:57.400 he came in saw us right away he took a bunch and then he came back the same day said i'm already
01:42:02.040 out but keep going we gave him a couple oh is he also a distributor kind of thing he knows
01:42:06.920 everybody cliff is the unofficial mayor of tomahawk and area okay yeah he's definitely
01:42:11.640 getting it out there got permission from the landowners that we could put the signs up so
01:42:15.240 So that was great.
01:42:16.020 Yeah, yeah, no, it's good to see.
01:42:17.380 And I don't know why that Tempo gas station in Tomahawk is always cheaper,
01:42:21.300 but it is what it is.
01:42:23.280 So not taking a pause, but just a reminder, this is an Alberta elathon.
01:42:30.880 We're trying to get you guys to, we're trying to raise money is what we're doing.
01:42:34.580 We need to raise money for this battle.
01:42:37.100 The battle is coming up quick.
01:42:40.160 Three months.
01:42:40.700 Three months, right?
01:42:41.460 October 19th.
01:42:42.280 and uh and so click on any pick any one of them i mean ideally you can throw a few bucks to all of
01:42:49.760 them because they're all doing something slightly different you remember 250 on each one of them
01:42:54.320 you're not on the website yeah you're focused right now on providing signs for people and events
01:42:59.340 you'll shift in gears at some point you're still doing events right yes we have many events lined
01:43:03.820 up uh coming up what are your events like there well the next one is going to be a tour with the
01:43:08.320 Holmes family okay so the sisters and the father and Maxime Bernier yeah to give the lessons from
01:43:13.460 Quebec okay to let Albertans know why this is so important uh it's not a political thing it's a
01:43:20.020 referendum why it's so important thing yeah we're doing a one-day family event on April 5th or
01:43:25.260 August 15th with Lindsay Butler for music it's a thank you and appreciation to canvassers and
01:43:30.820 Lindsay who's the president of the no Lindsay but you're thinking of maybe uh Sherry her mom
01:43:36.480 okay yeah but lindsey is a country music folk singer okay fantastic but this is an appreciation
01:43:41.280 to all the volunteers campaigners and canvassers so please bring your family to that one uh we're
01:43:46.960 doing uh bruce party he's going to come out again and talk more about his stuff dennis kalma uh uh
01:43:52.960 and as an example like when you bring out somebody i'm sure you know i don't want to put you on the
01:43:58.480 spot but i'm sure most people volunteer their time bruce probably doesn't charge you a speaker's fee
01:44:04.800 per se but i'm sure you try and extend something i mean it's not cheap for bruce to fly and and
01:44:11.440 this i mean you did it to me right i'm i'll speak personally yeah i didn't charge the speaking fee
01:44:16.000 to go speak nor do we pay anybody but if you can throw a few bucks because i got to pay for gas
01:44:21.120 that's that's a that's one of the things that the tpas are for the accommodations and hospitality
01:44:25.840 in the venue all of that stuff is covered by the donations yeah and when someone like bruce comes
01:44:30.800 into alberta from ontario he gives a different perspective yeah and he's like well here's why
01:44:35.120 alberta should do it you're going to save canada now on that topic i mean some people volunteer
01:44:39.200 an incredible amount of time incredible like it let's do the math at 25 an hour 200 hours 50 grand
01:44:46.320 you donate it in your time no it's not that much do it it was enough to qualify for ei in most
01:44:54.480 probably 25 an hour would be 50 grand and that was you and karen yeah yeah no no they yeah that's a
01:45:02.560 generous amount of time and i'm and i'm retired but some people are doing this while they're still
01:45:07.360 like mitch sylvester who was here in the first hour i mean his chair i think the man is right
01:45:13.680 like i i like i i couldn't keep up with him i mean he was how many miles does he put on 120 000
01:45:19.440 kilometers in his new truck in just over a year or something like that so i got that update in the
01:45:24.240 outside when I saw him
01:45:25.680 and Miss Sylvester
01:45:28.520 everybody I mean there's so many people
01:45:30.500 you know Jeff Rath
01:45:32.420 and
01:45:32.740 Dennis Modry a lot of people have put in
01:45:36.400 a lot of effort you guys I have
01:45:38.300 Kathy Fletch
01:45:39.080 Chris at the whistle stop
01:45:42.560 I mean it's years
01:45:44.140 of doing this right
01:45:45.740 and it takes years off your life at some point
01:45:48.400 I was never great like this
01:45:50.380 Corey Morgan drives a lot too
01:45:52.440 and yeah I had more hair at the beginning
01:45:53.720 yeah yeah now actually sort of uh on that topic of of people stepping up what's your thoughts on
01:46:02.440 there's two schools of thought there's a lot of people that are asking for leaders and and i'm
01:46:07.980 not one of them i'm still of the opinion that this is better as a grassroots movement without
01:46:12.720 a leader but what's your thoughts on that i agree with that marty 100 each time that there was an
01:46:17.240 attempt to have like some sort of election pick a leader let's get behind one my first instinct was
01:46:22.300 no because you're leaving one target and as we saw they do go after with lawfare with hit pieces
01:46:29.260 yeah and if let's just say hypothetically if mitch sylvester was the leader they would attack
01:46:34.420 him even harder or if jeff wrath was the leader isn't it interesting i mean i saw that last week
01:46:39.080 right i saw the like jeff wrath it made the news because uh one of the judges froze his assets or
01:46:45.880 something like it's a civil case right it's uh he he actually represents a party that won he won
01:46:52.020 a settlement for a party
01:46:54.560 and he had negotiated a fee.
01:46:56.500 The First Nations group, over $53 million,
01:46:58.560 he successfully got for them.
01:46:59.980 And so now, anyways, normally
01:47:02.180 that kind of little,
01:47:04.040 that wouldn't be news normally. That happens
01:47:06.120 in civil litigation all
01:47:08.340 the time, but because it's Jeff Rath,
01:47:10.720 it's big news.
01:47:12.080 And it gets blown out. And when I first saw that,
01:47:14.520 that's all I thought. It's like, well, it's Jeff's turn.
01:47:16.760 It's just Jeff's turn. I mean,
01:47:18.220 I took a turn at it. You took a bit of a turn.
01:47:20.400 i took a turn i mean i had i had associated my name with the centurion project and they came
01:47:25.040 after both of us for that yeah and i was like oh you know and and and that was just a taste of what
01:47:29.600 mitch and the rest go through yeah just a taste and and i don't wish it on anyone i mean it's
01:47:34.560 intimidating like i'll i'll repeat what happened that day i mean i'm i'm on stage we're on stage
01:47:39.760 and all of a sudden we hear that there's police cars and there's eight police cruisers outside
01:47:44.400 coming to quote serve a cease and desist papers to uh to david parker which had nothing to do with
01:47:51.620 the event itself but what he was doing yeah and and and then it was served by elections alberta
01:47:56.900 and so you're telling me that somebody at elections alberta called the police chief
01:48:00.900 in calgary and said hey i gotta go serve papers i need eight cruisers and the police chief said oh
01:48:05.240 sure they don't do that for anyone well you remember when the q a happened and someone asked
01:48:10.120 from the audience why are the police here and my answer was i don't know but i know what the
01:48:14.280 headlines are tomorrow yeah yeah i guarantee you what they're gonna run with this tomorrow and he
01:48:17.760 did yeah yeah no it's no different than when they the rcmp sent two officers to medicine hat to go
01:48:23.440 bring uh tamara lich on the warrant that's right yeah she would have walked in voluntarily anyways 0.98
01:48:28.040 right on canada day too right she spent the weekend there are definitely some double standards and
01:48:32.560 there are definitely attempts and efforts to make some groups uh feel a lot more pressure so you're
01:48:39.700 Right. Okay, so back to that.
01:48:42.060 We're on the same page. And just keep an eye on September.
01:48:44.260 There'll be September surprises.
01:48:45.600 Right before the October,
01:48:47.580 September, that's when they're going to hit a card. Nothing's a coincidence.
01:48:49.960 When an event happens, when there's a press
01:48:51.700 release, when there's a story that breaks,
01:48:53.620 you know this. I mean, stories that break on Friday
01:48:55.620 are different than stories that break on Mondays.
01:48:59.340 So, yeah.
01:49:00.120 And so, whose turn is next?
01:49:01.800 I don't know. It could be us,
01:49:03.640 for all I know. I mean, they love picking on Jeff.
01:49:06.260 Mitch gets away with
01:49:07.680 they're not, I feel, I hope
01:49:09.780 they don't go after
01:49:11.680 Keith and Tanya, but I think
01:49:13.900 they could be. I think they're certainly going to be targeting
01:49:15.960 them, for sure. Maybe his,
01:49:18.260 I don't know about anything bad for
01:49:19.900 Keith, but you don't have to do anything bad.
01:49:21.880 They can frame it and twist it in such a way.
01:49:23.980 Yeah. And hey, he's been trying to destroy
01:49:26.000 Canada since the convoy, and maybe
01:49:28.040 they'll drum up some old stuff from there, but
01:49:29.820 Keith and Tanya are pretty clean.
01:49:31.960 Most of us are pretty clean. In fact, there's
01:49:33.900 even internally, we're kind of... We're totally clean.
01:49:36.020 i mean i know these people like you know even they go after chris scott even internally like
01:49:42.880 if anybody has anything that's remotely possibly a headline fix it clean it or harm's length okay
01:49:49.700 but everybody else that's up front right now i don't even have speeding tickets yep yeah uh
01:49:55.380 actually interesting time sort of a neat segue uh they go after they went after paul's pizza for a
01:50:01.240 wow you did and so perfect segue there's a party tonight at paul's pizza right so uh after this uh
01:50:07.460 the last segment of the telethon will be broadcast from paul's pizza in airdrie and we were worried
01:50:14.300 that uh we were going to host a little party there on a saturday but paul said oh no apparently
01:50:19.840 saturdays are dead in airdrie in the middle of summer because everybody's out rodeoing
01:50:25.020 Not tonight.
01:50:26.120 Not tonight.
01:50:26.740 So tonight the party's at Paul's Pizza, right?
01:50:28.900 And we'll be there.
01:50:29.900 Come for selfies and stuff like that.
01:50:31.640 Come say hi.
01:50:32.420 Come support Paul, too.
01:50:33.900 I mean, he's not a TPA, but why is he taking the heat?
01:50:36.980 What started the heat with him?
01:50:38.980 I think he stood up against the issue with immigration
01:50:42.080 and some of the troubles there.
01:50:44.060 And just saying, I don't think mass migration 0.86
01:50:46.560 and immigration is a good idea.
01:50:48.040 I think it should be merit-based.
01:50:49.960 Just taking that position.
01:50:50.740 Do they know what he looks like?
01:50:52.320 Do they know?
01:50:53.080 That doesn't matter.
01:50:54.080 Yeah.
01:50:54.340 right that doesn't matter it's not paul's pizza it's farooq but he's an immigrant yeah this is
01:50:59.380 critical of the immigration system but that's what i saw them going after this is some of his
01:51:03.860 common sense comments around that subject just mentioning it they call you a racist and
01:51:08.580 supremacist and and and that's another thing right we we talked about the cost of events
01:51:14.820 the cost is is one part but the other thing how many events have you been cancelled out of because
01:51:20.020 the place where you're trying to hold the event said no thanks yeah there's three levels of those
01:51:24.500 there's those that won't book you at all now the city of edmonton sent us an email saying don't
01:51:28.900 bother we're not going to have any of your events anywhere in the city it's city facilities we have
01:51:34.100 those that um book us but then cancel us and then we have those that cancel like the day of which
01:51:39.700 is really nice which is tough yeah which is tough um but it does happen okay it does happen and paul
01:51:45.700 is fantastic of going on a phone and finding an alternate venue and we move it quickly yeah it
01:51:50.180 does hit the attendance for sure yeah because people show up to the other one they didn't get
01:51:54.260 the message but it happens everywhere people were doing that to paul's right they're calling his
01:51:58.660 paul's ordering ordering like 15 pizzas he got wise to that pretty quick i think every pizza
01:52:03.140 shops are wise so that yeah um and by the way they what they don't understand is this drives an effect
01:52:08.820 when they do that we actually hear about paul's pizza and we support it more it's just like the
01:52:13.700 the Tabor billboards. The town of Tabor saying no
01:52:15.660 billboards. Okay.
01:52:17.480 Do you know how much free advertising he got?
01:52:19.580 It's Cochran now. Is it?
01:52:21.260 Oh yeah. Cochran sent
01:52:23.900 a letter, a bylaw officer
01:52:25.840 sent sort of a warning to somebody who
01:52:27.740 had a
01:52:28.340 I think it was one of Corey's signs on
01:52:31.740 the fence. Yeah.
01:52:33.320 I think that guy's going to paint the sign on his
01:52:35.780 fence. That would be wonderful. Fantastic.
01:52:37.140 You push us too hard and that's what we do, right?
01:52:39.620 I mean, I was on
01:52:40.640 I mean, let's go, it's a weird
01:52:43.320 shift but i i was upset when uh when when i first heard that um the petition weren't wasn't going to
01:52:53.180 be counted right yeah and before that came out i was worried about the ruling and i said if the
01:52:58.480 judge says this is invalid and i have to stop collecting signatures that's when i would have
01:53:02.680 said well then i'll be in contempt of law because i will go sit on the side of the road and i will
01:53:06.840 continue to collect signatures so there's a time where it's okay to push back and disobey and i
01:53:13.240 think if yeah if a bylaw officer comes and says you can't have a sign on your property i'll just
01:53:17.200 put a bigger one well jeff bezos you'll have to drag me out he has way over the limit for his
01:53:22.680 hedges he just pays the fine yeah he just pays the fine yeah doesn't matter yeah that's true
01:53:27.480 that's a actually uh it has nothing to do with this but i saw that uh i was standing in line at
01:53:33.340 the customs you know coming back with my two bottles of booze and the guy in front of me had
01:53:37.240 like whatever like 10 right and that's what he says like i just paid the duty yeah like ah of
01:53:42.800 course of course it's still cheaper yeah it's a rich man's game sometimes uh how are we doing
01:53:48.480 for time do i have to start wrapping it up okay i got a producer i don't know how i wrap this up
01:53:53.920 thank you both for coming down uh well martin it's a pleasure to work with you again where can
01:53:58.820 people find you i mean we know what's the net come come by events actually i'll just say this
01:54:03.860 right they're ordinary people we talked about this right so if you see jason and paula you see them
01:54:08.640 on the street if you see me on the street say hi like don't don't be shy and come chat we love
01:54:13.980 chatting um where are you going next what's your plan so you're you're we're gonna take an actual
01:54:19.620 week off now so we'll announce that now so we plan to take last week off but we didn't we took
01:54:24.220 it off from the show but we're on the road every single day yeah we're actually gonna stay home
01:54:27.840 get off the road for a week and then get back to it because we have that august event uh seven
01:54:32.100 seven days five stops with maxine and the home sisters i think it's okay to take a small break
01:54:37.360 uh the referendums on the 19th we need to be kind of like olympic we're olympic athletes we have to
01:54:43.680 peak like right about there we don't want to peak too early all right folks uh boy this hour went
01:54:49.540 by fast thanks for coming by as part of the series of different interviews i'm doing with third party
01:54:56.260 advertisers i'd like to welcome my friend jason levine who is a third party advertiser jason's
01:55:02.000 good to have you down here in my basement welcome to my home john i love it here your community is
01:55:06.620 great. Your home is wonderful, especially that garden in the front with all the signs.
01:55:10.080 Well, yeah, I've got signs everywhere. And we'll talk about your signs in just a moment.
01:55:14.000 You've actually been in for quite some time. You were a third-party advertiser during the
01:55:19.680 petition campaign, and you're in during this part of it as well. Why'd you get involved?
01:55:25.140 Well, we were third-party advertisers before it was cool, right? We got involved because we
01:55:29.780 wanted to make sure that we were not going to become a headline at some point by trying to do
01:55:33.240 events. We wanted to make sure we understood the rules for elections, Alberta, especially when
01:55:37.940 you're getting out there, having conversations, where are the lines, then how to work with them
01:55:42.160 and make sure you don't cross any of them. You know, there are some very difficult rules to
01:55:46.600 follow, but it does give you some guidelines so you can, you can stay in your lane, correct?
01:55:50.440 It's nice when everybody plays by the same rules because the better team wins at the end,
01:55:54.580 but it's important to ensure that you understand them, even if you're part of the public,
01:55:58.920 because sometimes they can get themselves into trouble just by trying to help out.
01:56:01.860 if they don't understand the rules, like the $1,000 limit for individuals.
01:56:06.020 And we wanted to make sure that we could go beyond the $1,000
01:56:09.180 in order to get larger events, billboards, and signs.
01:56:12.460 We can talk a little bit about that as we're recording this right now.
01:56:15.040 It's a couple of weeks before the telethon, which is on right now.
01:56:17.660 You're kind of cruising around the province, Edmonton, Red Deer, Calgary this evening,
01:56:21.520 as this is happening and we're recording today with Bruce Pardee, Dennis Kalma, Matthew Rowley,
01:56:27.520 talking about the Constitution.
01:56:29.320 One of the things you're doing, you're going to do more of these events as we move closer to the 19th of October?
01:56:34.040 100%. We were testing on a new format, a public input format, where we're asking the audience to provide their questions, comments, concerns, even some of their ideas on what a constitution could look like.
01:56:43.880 Because there's many different models out there and people talking about different models.
01:56:47.020 And we don't have an open mic, which is kind of a unique thing where we have everybody writing down on a card.
01:56:52.300 So I'm sitting at the table with all the cards while the gentlemen are answering the questions and I'm getting ready for the next one.
01:56:56.860 It's a smooth process.
01:56:58.320 We get as many questions as we can, and people have been loving it.
01:57:01.260 What's the importance of the Constitution as we move forward and that people know about that prior to the 19th of October and the referendum?
01:57:08.860 People want to know how is this going to work.
01:57:10.820 They understand the problems.
01:57:12.060 I think it's very clear.
01:57:12.900 Even Jason Kenney said we've got a lot of problems with Ottawa.
01:57:15.280 But at this stage, what is going to be the solution to that?
01:57:18.140 What can we be looking forward to?
01:57:19.880 And can I be part of that?
01:57:21.480 And that's why having a Constitution question at this stage with the public is very important.
01:57:24.940 So it allows them to get into the conversation and have a piece of that as well and kind of own it, a little bit of stakeholder, because this is a constitution for the people by the people.
01:57:33.520 You're trying to be visual.
01:57:36.520 A lot of the different TPAs, third-party advertisers, are trying to be visual.
01:57:40.700 You're one of the groups that has signs.
01:57:42.180 I've got one of your signs along with many others in front of my house right now.
01:57:45.580 You're doing billboards.
01:57:46.740 Why is that important?
01:57:48.400 Because people sometimes are not online watching their stuff and they're watching other things like CBC.
01:57:52.680 And when you're getting on to the public and seeing your community with the support of something, it'll get your attention.
01:57:57.860 And the billboards around the legislature, I think, is also a good idea because that's where the lawmakers are.
01:58:02.840 And they'd be driving down these roads all the time and they're going to be seeing, oh, yeah, that vote on October 19th.
01:58:08.280 And these guys are for option two.
01:58:11.580 There's a lot more people that are getting involved with that and getting behind that too.
01:58:14.820 I think we forget that I wake up in the morning.
01:58:17.800 You probably wake up in the morning.
01:58:19.060 Others wake up in the morning thinking about politics.
01:58:22.120 I mean, God, what a way to start a day.
01:58:24.200 But we think about it all the time, and most people don't.
01:58:26.840 And that's why those visuals are important.
01:58:29.020 It is, too, because it kind of reminds them something big is going on.
01:58:32.260 Maybe they're not paying attention to any news.
01:58:34.300 Maybe they're just in their own bubbles, in their own communities, their own worlds.
01:58:37.360 And just even seeing a glimpse of that, like, wait, what is that?
01:58:39.580 Let's go to livingshow.com and see what that's about.
01:58:41.640 You can check out interviews that we're having, find your show as well.
01:58:45.060 And things like this telethon is super important because it's going to really put the focus on a whole bunch of people who are working hard right now.
01:58:51.000 I'm so pleased that you're doing this, John.
01:58:52.900 Well, it's a pleasure to have you here.
01:58:55.460 A great segue into me talking about the telethon.
01:58:57.780 If you'd like to support Jason and what he's doing,
01:59:00.980 just go to albertatelethon.com and make a donation.
01:59:07.820 You're on.
01:59:08.980 We're live now?
01:59:09.980 Okay.
01:59:11.800 Normally, we start a segment when we're in our little basement studio with,
01:59:16.480 all righty then.
01:59:17.760 But since we have Daryl Comic today, we're going to say,
01:59:20.280 so we're excited to be here today but the first thing i want to do is remind people
01:59:28.600 our family is all about dialogue and that also means asking questions and hard questions and so
01:59:34.420 there's an email that everybody can go to to write the spicy questions to chris scott
01:59:40.240 for his interview later so go to the email let's go alberta one the number one at gmail.com
01:59:47.920 and send all of your hard questions there whether it's regarding you know finances or
01:59:54.020 the potential constitution for an alberta because i find a lot of people are struggling to think
02:00:00.340 about that um they there's this misconception that it's a hard thing to do to separate and
02:00:06.740 fair enough if you've never done it like canada hasn't but people even within the last 50 years
02:00:13.080 there have been minimum 50 countries that have separated it is not a new phenomenon especially
02:00:18.960 here in the west i'm you can even go back to rome history they also separated before
02:00:24.760 the usually people associate the fall of rome as like their comparison to today's america or
02:00:31.640 even today's canada but rome also had separating states as a sign that the system needs refurbishing
02:00:38.940 and so people need to start thinking about those things to send all your questions to said email
02:00:45.060 now for context about what we wanted to talk about here with cory and daryl dad yeah so first off
02:00:51.560 this is an honor for us to be a part of this uh so we got to put our thanks so yeah i mean we're
02:00:56.840 used to be in our studio we're a small channel and growing because as circumstances presented
02:01:01.820 themselves most people that have watched our channel know that our wake-up call was in 2020
02:01:05.880 and then getting involved ended up being the accountability process that we had to find our
02:01:11.220 way through and so here we are you know just trying to help with the culture war because we
02:01:16.020 believe wholeheartedly you know there's no nothing on record that attributes that this was a Mark
02:01:20.700 Twain saying but it's easier to fool someone than to convince someone they've been fooled
02:01:25.160 and one of the ways to dispel magic tricks that get played on the minds of individuals
02:01:29.360 is by knowledge is by there's a biblical verse Hosea 4 6 I like quoting it says for lack of
02:01:35.020 knowledge, my people were destroyed. Because they rejected knowledge, I reject them as priests before
02:01:38.960 my house. The meaning of all of these types of quotes and sayings is that that's on us. That's
02:01:45.100 on us as individuals. So for us to be asked to participate in this is an honor because that's
02:01:51.000 wholeheartedly where the motivation is for our family at this stage of, I guess you want to call
02:01:56.340 it the collective battle, is to bring awareness because our citizens and our fellow Albertans,
02:02:01.460 they mean a lot to us we all went through things and we have this long context from 2020 to this
02:02:06.760 point and that is going to be one of the themes of of where we would like our segment to be
02:02:11.620 is how we got here because there's this tension that's arising out there with you know you got
02:02:18.640 your forever canada camp and your independence camp and yet the funny thing is is that not even
02:02:22.960 five years ago we were just all albertans facing uh unknown circumstances and different um protocols
02:02:30.320 that were offered by our government and it would seem that this is a thread there's a theme here
02:02:36.880 and there are those almost acting more conservatively um saying well we don't want
02:02:41.520 any type of separation we would like to stay within you know united canada and and it's like
02:02:46.640 all right well fair enough i understand that's awfully conservative of you but there are those
02:02:50.160 though that find themselves going we played that game and this is one of the beauties about having
02:02:54.640 cory morgan with us i've also done like dr michael wagner's works and books is that there actually
02:03:00.160 is a long history of Alberta being in this circumstance since 1905 it precedes 1905 in all
02:03:07.180 actuality we're not going to go down a history lane but I like bringing in the context of the
02:03:12.200 larger picture and that we're all a part of it at one point in time before the Americans became
02:03:16.600 Americans they were British subjects well that's funny we're British subjects and so we actually
02:03:23.040 have a lot in common it's our humanity first and our neighbors and so we want to promote the TPAs
02:03:29.400 uh the third party advertisers of which cory is also one of them there are six that are going to
02:03:34.760 be uh getting promoted i know all the previous guests i mean uh segments have done this thing
02:03:39.320 we're going to make mention of them too as we go i do not have the cheat sheet i'm not excellent
02:03:43.320 with names that i'm trying to say it goes to my daughters but anyway so that's the context
02:03:48.280 and we're thankful to be here and let's start with the uh questions and conversation because
02:03:53.800 how did we get here, Corey? Why are we here? And I don't mean us as in just the five of us sitting
02:03:59.840 in a studio. Well, that'll fill the hour if we really want. That's a big question. Okay, currently
02:04:04.800 then with the TPA aspect that this is, because you've got a long history. I do. I guess what
02:04:09.880 I'll point out is a whole new generation of Albertans have realized and come to the conclusion
02:04:15.920 that change within the system is futile. The independence movement was always comprised of
02:04:21.340 people who had come to that conclusion uh aging myself yeah i was 29 when i started the alberta
02:04:26.660 independence party back in 2000 and that was my conclusion at that time but people still i'd call
02:04:33.240 them reluctant independent supporters they always wanted to cling to one more lifeline one more bit
02:04:38.100 of hope one more way to think that they maybe could fix this and the one that really devastated
02:04:43.560 us as an organization as we were gaining a bunch of steam and getting a lot of attention at that
02:04:47.460 time with the Chrétien government and things happening was Stephen Harper came out with the
02:04:53.180 Alberta Agenda. And Bozenkuhl, who now is one of the most hardcore federalists apparently against
02:04:58.600 us and things like that, saying we don't need to go that route. We can fix everything. We can get
02:05:02.980 a pension plan. We can get a police force. We can collect our own taxes. We can do our own EI.
02:05:08.580 26 years later, and he had a majority government. Nothing, not a single one of the things in the
02:05:15.600 Alberta agenda has been accomplished. And we currently have a provincial government that's
02:05:19.360 reticent in bringing those in as well. I mean, they talk and talk and talk and talk and nothing
02:05:26.520 changes. And I've been very supportive of our provincial government in a lot of ways. They've
02:05:30.300 done a lot of good things. It's been one of the better governments we've had in a long time. But
02:05:33.820 when it comes to Ottawa, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. You're never going to talk a pipeline into
02:05:38.260 the ground. You're never going to talk my pension better. You're never going to talk my personal
02:05:41.820 rights back into being after we've had our bank accounts seized we've been locked down
02:05:45.740 so a lot has changed i believe covid contributed to this as well that was a big wake-up call for
02:05:51.760 a lot of people who thought the government's benign the government would never do such
02:05:55.620 things to us our freedoms are protected they're safe realized no actually we're just one more
02:06:01.320 sneeze away from being locked down again because nothing has changed and it's come to a head with
02:06:06.780 people that final hope they were hanging on to okay canada prefers liberals they'll give us
02:06:11.420 liberals for eight ten years at a time but they'll give us a breather with four years of a conservative
02:06:14.960 government now and then so we could you know have somebody who's less bad to us for a little while
02:06:18.820 in office and when it came that close but all they had to do was slap a new coat of paint on
02:06:22.880 another liberal throw them in the front and not only were they put back in but with a stronger
02:06:27.460 mandate than they had before that's when i think a tipping point of albertans realized that's enough
02:06:32.480 it's enough the system doesn't work or it's working exactly as it was designed well it wasn't
02:06:38.480 though i i hear that all the time and i don't believe it i i believe it's out of date i believe
02:06:43.200 it was built by a centralized government you know again a hundred and some years ago who were looking
02:06:47.760 from the perspective that this is four percent of the population thus you build a system to treat
02:06:52.400 it as if it's four percent they didn't build in or think about the growth that would come later i
02:06:57.160 mean the abuse of the system by those who control it yeah it's working exactly how they would like
02:07:01.300 i just don't feel it was ever designed necessarily i do believe the founders thought they were
02:07:05.280 building something good but it's it's the problem with a system a system a hundred and some years
02:07:10.140 ago how many things from a hundred and some years ago were useful today we have to change this thing
02:07:14.960 we have to adapt it Meech Lake and Charlottetown were the last two big you know these were prior
02:07:18.920 to you guys time but these were the last two big pushes to try and change it and they didn't even
02:07:22.740 come close and I was younger than they are now in that so it's realizing you've got two choices
02:07:30.560 accept this status quo and realize that we're just going to have our rights degraded uh we're going
02:07:34.840 to be a second class province within a larger federation or pursue independence which is really
02:07:39.380 the only one and only way we can see now to shatter and break out of this looking at the
02:07:44.420 amount of conversation looking at this growing support looking at this organization more people
02:07:48.720 have come to that conclusion than ever have before so it's been an incredible year i mean a classic
02:07:54.220 example is the telethon in and of itself the fact that it's manifesting as it is now with as many
02:07:59.820 hosts that it's appearing with the viewers that are watching and everybody that's in on it all
02:08:04.200 the tpas having we have seven on the list here but there's even albertans for freedom they're
02:08:10.520 coming out and those are good people there's so many more that aren't on the list list which is
02:08:16.280 you know just the testament to the culture that alberta's trying to continue for um fostering
02:08:23.320 which is all what we're about well then we did a an interview recently because we were having a
02:08:27.960 debate with people that are sharing the similar sentiments that you're talking about which is the
02:08:33.080 feeling like if we just hold on a little bit right then we could get somewhere and it was with
02:08:37.160 a lovely lady on our ca board named judy and then it was with one of the tpas uh angela taback from
02:08:43.800 uh the alberto independence network yeah thank you alberto network i'm like that's the longest tpa
02:08:52.520 but when she was talking uh judy she was mentioning that it's like well i mean in the past
02:08:59.000 it was relatively like good enough to ignore as in getting involved in government was just
02:09:05.320 something that not a lot of people were paying attention to because they thought that life was
02:09:08.120 okay right but it was more of well yeah you're surviving but you're not necessarily thriving
02:09:14.200 and then she made the comment that you know what like are we really going to try and separate on
02:09:20.120 the auspices of just bad 11 years of liberal government since pierre trudeau i think was her
02:09:26.440 timeline it's only yeah and i instantly was thinking of you and all of your historical
02:09:30.920 contacts going like oh honey it's far more longer than just 11 years of liberal government no it's
02:09:37.960 much deeper and it's cyclical i mean i think something that drove home to a lot of people
02:09:41.080 those of us old enough to remember the first trudeau like we had to go through another one
02:09:45.400 like this what does this country ever learn is it is it going to change and no it doesn't yeah
02:09:49.880 the bruising battered wife syndrome yeah i guess we keep going back but it looks different this
02:09:54.280 time i'm just gonna do a quick announcement this was passed on to me uh keith wilson just announced
02:09:58.520 they've raised twenty five thousand dollars today so far awesome so uh let let alberta decide is
02:10:05.720 the name of their their tpa and yeah i checked about two hours ago with ours we'd raised 5200
02:10:11.240 already a couple hours ago uh this this telethon and people are really responding all over i mean
02:10:16.760 i'm he's obviously gonna blow me out of the water we're all winning well and if i'm not mistaken
02:10:22.360 each tpa has a max that they can receive is that correct 607 000 yes and so we still got lots of
02:10:28.120 room so exactly i know that keith is very popular and so is tanya i mean what an attractive woman
02:10:33.960 who wouldn't want to give her money but i digress i mean definitely try and spread the love once you
02:10:39.240 can that way people can divide and conquer the more signs if you know the more houses that look
02:10:44.360 like john bolton's with you know seven signs the better something i also just wanted to add to play
02:10:49.480 play to the context because there's so many people that are still on the fence.
02:10:53.620 And that was alluding to the fact that even if we went through past
02:10:56.800 grievances before, like maybe with the COVID-19 situation, it doesn't mean
02:11:01.780 that they're necessarily feeling like Alberta independence is the way to
02:11:04.540 solve that problem, right?
02:11:05.820 Like trying to figure out how to fix the system using kind of the battlefield
02:11:10.000 that they set up for you, right?
02:11:11.620 But when we were having that discussion on our podcast with Angela and Judy, it
02:11:17.540 was one of the things mentioned was, okay, well, why can't we, you know,
02:11:22.820 plea to the other provinces because all of the bills that are coming forward,
02:11:26.280 every single province is going to be facing these censorship laws and it's not
02:11:29.780 just going to be Alberta and et cetera.
02:11:31.780 And I'm like, for sure, like there are laws that are going to make every single
02:11:35.240 person in Canada, a victim to a terrible, terrible system, um, tyranny essentially.
02:11:40.720 But I coming at it from a young perspective, since Maddie and I are kind
02:11:45.080 of, uh, the, of the younger demographic in this movement.
02:11:49.100 I was like timeline though, is the, the rate at which these bills are coming
02:11:54.420 forward and where we've seen, like see historically where Mark Carney and now
02:11:59.680 his majority government have come from.
02:12:01.400 And just all of the different, uh, third groups that he's intertwined with
02:12:05.480 Chatham house, Bilderberg group, et cetera.
02:12:07.400 Right.
02:12:07.700 And people not looking either reading his material, like his book values or
02:12:12.740 looking at the different historical uh policies that have come out of these groups i think is
02:12:17.440 just a huge ignorant bubble that they are not willing to explore unfortunately but i was like
02:12:23.420 trying to convince like 50 of all provinces to try and change and open the constitution in any 0.70
02:12:29.640 way i'm like i i don't know about you but i i'm gonna be having to bear most of the brunt of
02:12:34.640 what's coming down because i live longer so i was like i think time wise i'm like can we speak
02:12:39.580 you would need to convince 70 of the provinces with 50 of the population right yeah and it's
02:12:46.760 not going to happen there's just no way quebec isn't going to agree and you're already getting
02:12:50.460 close into the population numbers uh you know with senate reform when 80 of our senate is on
02:12:56.760 the other side of of anitoba there's no way those provinces are going to agree to that change the
02:13:02.740 problem is the status quo serves them and they don't have an incentive to change it constitutionally
02:13:08.540 we might get some legislative wins things you're talking about these authoritarian type actions
02:13:12.800 bills coming out of uh the the the prime minister right now but that doesn't change the system and
02:13:19.300 i mean we aren't protected till the system chief so yeah we should talk to the other provinces i
02:13:25.360 mean there's no sense suffering you know and we still want to be as pragmatic as possible and
02:13:29.380 and get as good a policy as we can in the meantime but we have to realize that this is just going to
02:13:35.060 be an unending cycle of battling against these authoritarians until we bring in a system that
02:13:38.540 protects us. Ayn Rand's right like you know tell me the incentive I'll tell you the outcome. Yeah
02:13:42.840 so right yeah that's actually one question that on the interview that we did with the independence
02:13:49.000 debate with the two ladies um I was asking about the question all those signs across Calgary those
02:13:56.140 ones conveniently don't get vandalized the ones that say uh stay in Canada no to the nine we were
02:14:01.420 talking about the referendum and judy said you know those other points it's she's not as radical
02:14:06.980 as the some of the forever canadian group that like to claim say no to all of them because
02:14:12.300 apparently all of the other questions imply independence that you leave which is ridiculous
02:14:18.120 but one of my questions is because she said let's just focus on the other referendum question
02:14:23.300 rather than you know the potentially separating one which isn't even a separation question but
02:14:28.820 people are still looking at it with the trepidation of its implications and so a question that i have
02:14:36.340 for you is with talking about reform and the system because you know we're a very solution
02:14:42.360 oriented family and you're a very solution oriented guy that's why you've tried so many
02:14:45.840 things in the past and you're like okay i'm narrowing it down but the referendum questions
02:14:51.960 some of the stuff that you alluded to with the firewall letters being you know senate reform and
02:14:57.340 then the police force the taxes alberta pension the alberta pension plan the thing is that i'm
02:15:04.800 struggling with is that even though judy likes some of the other questions i think seven out of
02:15:10.000 the nine of them are just on immigration and so how why is that a mediocre solution just to assume
02:15:18.620 that those nine other questions will get alberta somewhere the bottom line is most of the things
02:15:25.340 when they're talking about those questions require constitutional reform so yeah and you're not going
02:15:29.940 to get it how many times have we you know as a country got to realize that and look at it so it's
02:15:34.080 giving that false hope it's similar to the alberta agenda that was put out it's giving those people
02:15:38.500 that out again say well we could just do this and this and this for example in a federation
02:15:42.680 uh it's understood like quebec has a bigger say in who can immigrate and who can't when they're
02:15:48.400 determining people coming into quebec but it still can't stop people once they've landed in
02:15:52.160 Alberta or Ontario, once you're in the federation, a migrant can go to any province they please and
02:15:58.040 set up shop. There's nothing a province can do. It wouldn't be a proper federation if you could 0.99
02:16:01.880 set up borders like that. Right. It's just why I want to see a federation. If we want to control
02:16:06.040 immigration, there's only one way. We need to be our own nation. Other than that, immigration will 0.93
02:16:12.720 be a federally managed aspect because it must be in a federation. And we see that they use
02:16:22.140 that again not for our benefit or our good i mean immigration has been very good to us in a lot of
02:16:26.640 ways alberta was built on immigration all the statements about it and they're true and there's
02:16:31.100 people who come from all corners of the planet bring fantastic skills and innovation and business 0.62
02:16:35.820 whether it's from india or england or sweden or south africa but mass immigration is the problem
02:16:42.560 uncontrolled immigration and nothing in those questions in that first part of the referendum
02:16:47.500 we're going to change that we can just keep putting it's similar to the equalization question
02:16:55.020 very nice we can all vote one but guess what the only way to change it gotta change it
02:16:59.500 some of the stopgap things i do like that are put out from the provincial government talking about
02:17:03.500 reducing some of the services uh you know that are available to people if they haven't gotten
02:17:08.220 full citizenship or or permanent residency and things like that that helps address some of the
02:17:12.700 temporary foreign worker abuse we've had or student visa abuse but it's still these are band-aids you
02:17:19.020 know with the mass migration is the problem and i love to see solutions but i'm not seeing solutions
02:17:26.060 seeing tweaks on a bigger problem the only reason we're seeing the federal government scaling back
02:17:30.540 on the mass immigration right now is just because they finally hit the tipping point they couldn't
02:17:34.700 you know they couldn't deny the damage that was being caused as we had a housing crisis 0.99
02:17:38.380 health care systems being overloaded uh cultural issues with some crime waves i mean come on let's
02:17:43.540 face it let's look at every big shooting big event big things that are happening all over
02:17:47.880 the extortion gangs the uh grooming gangs there are always people from somewhere else with a
02:17:52.960 different cultural norm that's coming in and you can only absorb so much before it becomes more
02:17:59.920 problematic gotta tap the brakes seriously on and again it's always going to be in the hands of 0.99
02:18:06.720 ottawa as long as we're here people wondering why the immigration was cranked for getting a bit geeky
02:18:12.660 and so on but it was just an economic thing really you know people read more into it than
02:18:16.080 was there but trudeau likes to brag in his administration that we never really went into
02:18:21.820 recession that much while they were in but how did you avoid that well if you crank in mass
02:18:25.660 immigration your gdp actually stays pretty good it adds to the gdp but the gdp per capita is is
02:18:33.440 that's a false gdp number anyway gdp is actually supposed to be what a country produces like
02:18:38.540 physical production and that's a separate yeah not being doctor on the books by a bunch of
02:18:45.280 handouts and inflating numbers that's a convoluting of gdp but as a general measure anyways the gdp
02:18:51.840 per capita aspect was when trudeau came in it was 51 000 and it was 55 000 in the united states and
02:18:59.140 these are in american dollars that doesn't mean every person getting that much that's just that
02:19:02.500 measure and an imperfect measure, as you said, but it is a bit of a baseline. Now, we're sitting
02:19:08.000 at 55,000 per capita in Canada, 90,000 in the United States. This is our closest cultural and
02:19:14.920 trade and linguistic partner, like similar resources. Our GDP per capita should have been
02:19:20.400 rising just the same way theirs was over these years. And it's not, we're all getting collectively
02:19:25.540 poorer. People aren't recognizing. The tool to do that, though, was mass immigration to try and
02:19:31.680 pad those numbers to make it look better than it was and now we're really paying a price for it
02:19:35.680 but there's nothing to stop the next government same that's what i just keep getting at until
02:19:40.360 you change the system what if we just get a conservative then well then you might get
02:19:44.300 somebody who's less bad for less bad exactly yeah i've always felt that that strategy was
02:19:50.100 kind of like that uh there was an experiment that was done on rats where they put them in a vat and
02:19:54.020 they got to swim for 15 minutes and then they would drown but before the drowning time on the
02:19:58.540 second batch of rats you pulled a rat out saved it dried it off gave it a little bit of food
02:20:02.720 then put it back in and that same rat gave you 600 more time worth of swimming because it had
02:20:08.320 hope of being rescued yeah and it's a you know a good analogy that's conservative experiment and
02:20:14.280 i mean again there's a lot of great members of parliament and people within the party who work
02:20:18.220 hard and mean well but the reality and that's just math and that's what i put in my book that
02:20:23.100 sovereignty's handbook in just explaining to people if they want to win they must cater to
02:20:29.000 ontario quebec it's it's not personal it's math you're never going to win and those provinces
02:20:34.540 have different interests than ours in fact they're usually in conflict with ours which means the
02:20:39.600 conservative party will be in conflict with us the most hardcore independent supporters aren't
02:20:45.080 creative when liberals screw us we expect them to when conservatives do it and that's when people
02:20:49.560 realize we aren't winning. When Brian Mulroney gave the CF-18 contract to Quebec, when Manitoba
02:20:56.160 had a far superior standing, but why? Because we needed votes in Quebec. Don't worry, they'll
02:21:01.760 throw you under the bus in a heartbeat. When Mulroney dragged his butt in getting rid of the 0.98
02:21:05.700 national energy program until oil prices collapsed and suddenly the country was now expected to buy
02:21:12.580 our oil at a higher price to help us out, you know what, we don't need the program anymore,
02:21:17.080 and he screwed the west these things keep happening um you have to understand that
02:21:23.440 you know polyev i think he'll do fewer bad things if he ever gets in
02:21:26.600 than uh trudeau or carney did will he change anything absolutely not a chance yeah i think
02:21:32.820 that's i know john bolton said keep this positive and so i'm gonna try and keep this positive i can
02:21:39.780 redirect it go ahead take your avenue people think this is a negative thing the thing that
02:21:44.120 maybe people should understand about my family's mode of attention we don't bring up the system
02:21:50.160 or the history in order to say oh look at how bad things are it's more so when you're looking
02:21:56.400 at solutions because cory just you alluded to well-intentioned people and i think that's even
02:22:01.680 a lot of the judy judy is oh she's a fantabulous woman she's really well-intentioned and so but
02:22:09.920 solutions like even just talking about i can see you have the value of freedom document from the
02:22:14.240 app on here and our family went over that whole document did a series to help people start thinking
02:22:20.640 because that's the scary thing for a lot of people right now is the solutions you have all these good
02:22:25.520 intentions and people that want canada to the to exceed succeed and they see that there's not
02:22:30.800 actually that big of a divide like macy alluded to the bills that are coming out and all the bad
02:22:36.800 policies that are happening to us here in alberta it's happening across all of canada and so
02:22:43.120 and from my perspective those other provinces they suffer a lot as well because they are capping
02:22:50.080 themselves from prosperity by trying to reach those equalization payments i mean people don't
02:22:55.200 even know in quebec they are capping some of their energy prices just so they can continue but they
02:23:00.480 would easily be able to cover their own they don't need to cap and that's sort of the positive like
02:23:05.280 the positive end and people are painting it as a negative and we got to remember to keep
02:23:09.280 pointing out that that's a positive the independence is the positive yes it is getting
02:23:13.200 off of the hamster wheel it's moving on and it's not motivated by wanting to hurt the rest of the
02:23:18.240 country my issue again isn't the rest of the country it's the system the people of canada
02:23:23.440 are fantastic the history of canada has been very very good to me i got to grow up in a relatively
02:23:27.920 peaceful prosperous place but now my job is to protect it make sure it's still like that for the
02:23:32.240 the next generation i believe independence now there's a big caveat would actually be a catalyst
02:23:39.480 that would help the rest of the country because then they would shatter them out of this system
02:23:42.620 too and make them reform things and they would become better because we should all be incredibly
02:23:45.960 prosperous with the amount of resources we got yeah but the big caveat is that's some of the
02:23:50.260 discussions we got to have with the value of freedom and and perhaps with keith wilson's
02:23:53.720 white papers and so on we got to make sure we build a better system than we won we left we have
02:23:58.180 to be careful i mean we're humans if we broke out and then went right back into a system similar to
02:24:03.260 what we just left and we don't deserve it no exactly we've got to have those discussions
02:24:07.040 morally unfit for purpose then if that's the case and also like a lot of people when we talk about
02:24:12.500 the independence movement they think this is very utopic as in you guys are almost painting it like
02:24:17.560 rose-colored glasses everything's going to be fixed and everything's solved and that was one
02:24:21.520 of the remarks that encounters that we did receive and uh from a young perspective it
02:24:28.560 looks like almost like naive save the world syndrome right where it's like well this is
02:24:32.540 gonna this is gonna get itself but i was like it at the very least the mistakes that we
02:24:38.460 will come across because that's reality we're going to make some in the pursuit of trying
02:24:43.040 to become our own country are ours like we made them as in a lot of what it is that we
02:24:47.560 are dealing with today are downstream of choices that i know me and maddie didn't pick that and
02:24:53.080 so i'm like i would rather be making my own mistakes but also then consequently i have the
02:24:58.200 risk of making my own success and i'm like well that's what i would like to have the choice in
02:25:02.520 being able to do because right now as you're alluding to we don't have that choice to even
02:25:06.440 thrive yeah i'm forgetting the author of the book but last in the lohicans one of the characters
02:25:10.600 lines is i would rather make the gravest of mistakes than surrender my own judgment well
02:25:14.760 there you go and we've got such an opportunity if we've been a new nation though to be able to look
02:25:18.700 at all the models around the world and pick and choose and perhaps build something superior you
02:25:22.880 know the most modern and and freedom oriented sort of system never been built for that time
02:25:28.260 and maybe another country will surpass us and keep competing with better systems people are
02:25:32.060 going under the assumption that our constitution is perfect it is i mean if you're saying that we
02:25:36.240 because we should just accept it and take what you will that means there's no point pursuing
02:25:41.180 change within it and we gotta break out of that thing for the sake of everybody yeah that's one
02:25:48.460 thing that i love about all these different tpas especially the variety of them because even kathy
02:25:54.140 and angela with the alberta women's independence network right now they're doing different series
02:25:58.620 on some of the bills and then your education because you have personal experience also with
02:26:03.340 all of these different independence movements over the time of alberta's history everybody's
02:26:08.620 got different things that they're bringing in even keith wilson tanya looking at those white papers
02:26:13.660 the solutions people when we talk about the systems and the potential future people that
02:26:19.660 haven't looked into it they associate it with a negative because it's unknown and people are
02:26:23.980 really scared of what they don't know hence you know the devil i know versus the devil i don't
02:26:27.980 but a line that me and macy have continually gone to was said by cynthia chung who is a canadian
02:26:34.860 historian we absolutely love and she said how do you know it's a devil if you don't know it
02:26:40.300 there's there's nothing saying that it is and so all of all of these documents and all of the work 0.66
02:26:46.060 that these tpas are doing is they're bringing to light their priorities and what they want to fix
02:26:52.940 in the world and it's a vast variety which is why you should donate to all of them as much as you
02:26:58.380 can but that's the sort of thinking that they are spreading that's the point of giving them the
02:27:04.460 the money and the donations so it's not just the signs but it's the ways that they do it and then
02:27:09.580 when they go across and give town halls they're not all talking about the same thing and those
02:27:14.580 are the system changes that everybody needs to start just recognizing is it is supposed to be
02:27:20.500 in your hands every country that for the most part we know that there's infiltration which we talk
02:27:24.940 about on our channel which we also have to be aware of but to pay attention to those things in
02:27:30.780 order to even think about what could you do if it was in your hands and a lot of people don't know
02:27:36.760 because there's a lot of gaps but then even looking to people like you reading your books looking
02:27:40.780 donating to people that are putting in the effort to write the papers and do potential constitutions
02:27:46.200 it's like we're not alone in this and sometimes people think that they have to figure it all out
02:27:51.020 but there's a lot of people and a lot of tpas that know it needs to happen and so you just reach out
02:27:57.720 and that's the community we're building our whole channel and why we love people like cory why we
02:28:03.000 love people like daryl's because it's a culture that's being built here and that is the real
02:28:08.040 foundation of any new country is the citizenry and thomas pain did the common sense that went
02:28:15.440 around through the americas and a lot of that was to just bring about the actual awareness
02:28:20.280 necessary for uh an informed consensual decision about how they felt like they needed to stand up
02:28:26.640 we need smart honest discussion something you mentioned earlier which is true people are a
02:28:30.300 little guilty of it of promoting a utopia look this isn't going to be easy there's going to be
02:28:34.200 hurdles there's going to be a difficulty in transition i mean let's assume in a year or two
02:28:38.840 there was an actual binding vote and a strong majority of albertans voted to go i mean we're
02:28:43.220 a ways from there yet we've got to be honest about that sure and the other part is there's
02:28:46.900 going to be some some disruption the the dollar is going to go down there will be some businesses
02:28:52.060 is leaving there will be capital you know held until there's stability and things happen there's
02:28:56.720 going to be battles within the movement itself over which model they want to see in a new province
02:29:03.200 uh we've got a lot of those things we got to be honest about you know i think people's bs
02:29:08.280 detectors go off if you say we just vote yes and everything becomes perfect i think that's part of
02:29:12.800 why the first pension uh thing out of the provincial government sort of flatlined with
02:29:16.940 Albertans, because the Life's Works report took such a overwhelmingly optimistic view and
02:29:22.860 interpretation of it on how much Alberta would be entitled to, that not only did the rest of Canada
02:29:27.360 say you're not getting away with 60% of the principal, but a lot of Albertans were just
02:29:30.200 saying, hey, you're really kind of shooting past the target here. I understand the interpreter
02:29:35.160 saying, can't oversell, we got to be realistic about what we're putting out there. It can push
02:29:40.920 people the other way. I mean, when somebody comes and offers you paradise on the doorstep,
02:29:44.640 more often than not they're full of crap that sounds too good to be true usually being it's 0.95
02:29:49.700 too good to be true I mean we're liking it also to take a look at this honestly they say that 0.99
02:29:54.960 you're a recovering alcoholic it's like there are many people that have found their way through
02:29:59.440 that my dad was one of them you know so the thing is is like you have to have a certain honesty
02:30:04.700 even where you are on the map I mean that's like this whole journey for me and my family started
02:30:09.740 with me apologizing to my clan you know just going i was pretty savvy consider myself to be
02:30:15.400 a relatively streetwise guy and i did not understand the land of the lay of the land that
02:30:20.040 i was on the map and it was from that place that now here we are all these years later and in this
02:30:26.480 position and making friends all over not just alberta but like now now we've got some some
02:30:31.080 international audience as well and it's like this is this is coming from uh the ring of truth
02:30:37.240 it's a frequency tell the truth as best you can or at least the best of your knowledge and if all
02:30:42.400 of a sudden we like to change our axioms if somewhere along the way people that are on another
02:30:47.880 side of a particular issue would like to try to convince and edify my mind or that of my families
02:30:53.920 then i would like to encourage and come to the table let's have the discussion so those are right
02:30:58.980 oh yeah well obviously because that's how it started for us was there was a whole lot more
02:31:04.020 wrong than there was right yeah and it takes it's it i'm a friend of bill's myself uh being through
02:31:10.400 part of that all of that process and it's been good for me and a big part of that isn't just
02:31:15.320 pointing out what's wrong with everybody else it's that harsh self-evaluation of realizing
02:31:20.000 uh the truth about yourself and you can't prove until you've faced those truths and understood
02:31:24.920 those things like to shield yourself and those lessons can be applied in a broader way and
02:31:30.640 in general yeah yeah the ask seek knock parable and lots of people got to remind themselves that
02:31:36.480 that whole thing is three sets of action so that's why maddie and i like we emphasize culture the
02:31:44.380 most and education in terms of our fight and so when people come and ask questions about what it
02:31:51.100 is that the specific group is or organization and what it is they need to be looking at like all of
02:31:57.280 it every single one um because when we were going down the cultural route and then we started getting
02:32:03.620 into the history even of as dad alluded to the beginning the uh our technically our old british
02:32:09.320 subject brothers and sisters the americans right they the people like the benjamin franklins i
02:32:14.360 read his autobiography and they're the type of people where they had to form communities and
02:32:19.500 it took decades to actually get the populace like intellectually thinking about these concepts of
02:32:24.340 what does the freedom mean even when you when you ask yourself like like what does it mean to you
02:32:28.660 exactly and then they would have to figure out how to form almost like their own uh groups that
02:32:34.820 we've kind of seen starting to stir in the surface with the bruise parties and uh matthew rallies
02:32:39.860 where it's like okay so what would a new documentation look like if we were trying
02:32:43.940 to actually physically say what it is that we want right and then that had to build an entirely
02:32:50.180 different like networks upon different networks right he had a thing um that i loved called the
02:32:55.380 juno club and that's actually probably where juno news gets their name derived from where he and a
02:33:01.280 group of his intellectual friends and such would try and discuss these ideas like almost like in
02:33:06.860 the value of freedom document and then afterwards those friends started to create their own because
02:33:11.980 they're like we want more people talking about this writing their essays their articles and
02:33:16.200 be um trying to see what it is that we can prompt and then when the time comes to come together to
02:33:21.000 kind of go like during their time they had to actually physically fight right so it's like
02:33:25.080 and we may or may not have to do that i don't know but but they did that and so they had to form their
02:33:29.400 own coalitions but it was like everything was so much based upon the community that they were
02:33:34.200 building that it was like the government in the system it was never about like the rat experiment
02:33:39.080 you don't have to rely on somebody to come and save you it was like we they figured out a way
02:33:43.000 where they were like no we're just gonna stake our claim because we are educated enough to make the
02:33:48.680 republic and therefore keep it right so yeah like all the all the founding fathers that wrote the
02:33:54.280 declaration of independence some could argue as far as the minutia's 27 to 32 grievances they
02:34:00.600 actually put in evidence most people think it's just uh the beginning it's like when you actually
02:34:04.760 read the whole thing they they list the the grievances and crimes if you will that were
02:34:11.480 perpetrated upon them and i see why alberta is in no different of a circumstance when you actually
02:34:17.400 look at how like how we got here these are an awful lot of motivated people right now i and
02:34:23.800 this was leads to a question that i definitely wanted now that i have uh you here was since you
02:34:29.880 have that past that you've had and now you're sitting in a very unique circumstance as we are
02:34:36.360 on the cusp of the largest tidal wave of knowledgeable people in this field per capita
02:34:43.240 in alberta than you've ever seen why did we how did we get there from in your opinion
02:34:49.800 and what gives you hope about this go around sure i mean two things that were kind of
02:34:55.720 in those two parts of the question the first part is similar to right off the bat you know when i
02:34:59.080 talked about perhaps what led up through covid through repeated failures things that have led
02:35:03.000 to this tipping point and then finally you know hope for change being snatched with a federal
02:35:07.160 election that pulled people up but something that's very different this time that gives me a lot of
02:35:11.480 optimism is the modern communication means we have that didn't exist only 20 years ago when i had the
02:35:17.640 alberta independence party literally we had volunteers who were licking and stamping envelopes
02:35:21.880 and mailing them to people asking for donations sending membership cards only about 10 of our
02:35:26.840 our membership had email at that point we can communicate literally to hundreds of thousands
02:35:33.120 of people for pennies uh share information we have these broadcasts the legacy media aren't
02:35:40.420 the gatekeepers of information anymore now that comes with a risk we've also got more exposure
02:35:46.000 to bs than we ever have in our life the personal responsibility and looking through and who is
02:35:50.580 is saying the right things or the wrong things or right things what their motivations are how
02:35:54.760 to think through those things yeah but we have those opportunities like we never had before
02:35:59.640 uh now i'm optimistic but at the same time i see a bit of a void i don't know this is uncharted
02:36:06.340 territory and it makes me excited but also some trepidation part of the problem is mixed messaging
02:36:12.080 you know when you have a smaller group with the founding fathers of the united states but you're
02:36:16.520 spreading that out and that's with limited print and so on you could actually control the message
02:36:19.860 a lot more closely thankfully the message for them was predominantly good right now the message
02:36:24.240 just barraging people from 100 directions at once and it can get deleted it can get confused
02:36:29.480 I think though I've been kind of watching an evolution of social media certain people have
02:36:34.540 sort of just risen organically through people responded and reacted to what they were offering
02:36:39.200 more than others and now it's coalescing I mean with an event like this sort of shows a disparate
02:36:44.720 bunch of people I've never seen a campaign like worked on partisan campaigns all the time now with
02:36:51.260 this this variety of tpas it's a double-edged sword i think it's great because they're coming
02:36:56.000 from a bunch of different directions mine just specializes in signs signs flags visible displays
02:37:01.800 there's much much more of the movement than that but i'm kind of saying well i'm going to bite off
02:37:04.720 this corner and take care of it and keith and tanya are going to take care of a lot more of
02:37:08.820 the policy oriented and and press releases and leading that maybe other ones are going to move
02:37:13.140 more on the organization of the ground game when it gets going and allows us to kind of
02:37:17.260 diversify and get that out there as well if any of these tpas blows up
02:37:22.480 happen sure you're insulated it's one of 12 or one of 16 uh but at the same time there's
02:37:29.340 disadvantages you know you're not necessarily moving in the same direction you might have
02:37:32.560 others giving different messages i'm still for the most part optimistic the way we've been working
02:37:37.540 together it's different than a party environment in a party environment you're naturally competitive
02:37:41.680 with you have to be eventually even if you're parties that like each other you have to be
02:37:46.580 running for the same seat in the same spot at some time or another that's the point of the party and
02:37:50.200 you will have to compete these tpas aren't competing at all i mean we're all i guess asking
02:37:54.160 the same pool for people to contribute and help us out volunteer wise or monetarily but still
02:37:58.980 it's it's not harming me if another tpa does better than than what we're doing it means that
02:38:03.500 they're filling a void that we didn't fill so it's good it's moving towards the right end and
02:38:08.480 and we cannot be at each other's throats instead we're all moving in the same direction so i'm
02:38:13.500 really pumped about this and again I don't know what we're gonna see because we've never seen
02:38:18.200 anything quite like but it's turning into something all on its own that I never would
02:38:22.080 have predicted 10 years ago and and I'm loving the direction I don't know why but I mean the way he
02:38:28.200 described it kind of reminded me of when dad was first talking about becoming a dad some of those
02:38:34.100 same like insane excitement but also like crippling fear and I feel like this whole we're
02:38:41.840 raise kind of trying to raise a nation and i only you could talk about i haven't had kids but it's
02:38:47.660 comparable in my brain to the experience you mom did on raising a kid it's scary because all of the
02:38:54.380 books on parenting that are written like this is how to be a good parent they're suggestions and
02:39:00.080 like there are universal certain things my family learns a lot about the brain so we can help and
02:39:05.960 manage everybody easier though it doesn't guarantee success and one that's one thing i learned even
02:39:11.380 reading the socratic dialogues was that he would talk about all of these great people even socrates
02:39:16.980 he had kids but why aren't they known in history so just because you have you know supposedly a
02:39:23.640 good canada or a good parent country because judy wanted to give credit to some of the systems and
02:39:31.020 you said earlier some of the things in the system they came from good roots you know there's some
02:39:36.440 good things in the magna carta and then we did copy some things from the american declaration
02:39:42.200 but there's no guarantee that the same quality and virtue gets passed down throughout the
02:39:49.480 generations and looking at that and looking at how canada has i've what you alluded to earlier
02:39:59.640 strayed from the thing the idea of raising this thing into something new as something scary the
02:40:08.100 positive thing about knowing the brain that we learned is we were listening to all the different
02:40:13.600 constitution debates from dennis from matthew rowley who was a bit more of a monarchist and
02:40:19.000 then from bruce party and it was a very overwhelming discussion if you've never thought about these
02:40:26.220 things because your brain goes what if what if what if but how and because all of the problems
02:40:31.420 that we see today we want to figure out how to manage it and some people say well the solution
02:40:35.460 is not to manage it and knowing history we can find examples where not managing it cause problems
02:40:41.960 managing it cause problems and so one of the things when people look at different constitutions
02:40:47.660 and solutions for what alberta could be um the thing is knowing the personal responsibility that
02:40:54.260 you're talking about is because no matter what the system is we have seen republics fail we have
02:41:01.120 seen monarchs fail we have so it doesn't we have seen democracies fail so all these precon notions
02:41:07.960 about what it makes to be a good parent what it takes to be a good we are discovering that it 0.58
02:41:14.160 really takes each and every individual and that's what these tpas are founded on they're very
02:41:18.860 grassroots movements and the reason that we are so enthusiastic about that we got him we started
02:41:25.180 with federal politics and the ppc and then we were like okay try locally try and get a bit more in
02:41:31.500 our hands so then we tried provincial that did okay then we went municipal that did okay though
02:41:38.540 you'll find that there's problems amongst all three and then once we realized the culture and
02:41:43.820 how it doesn't matter really how good intention the system is if you don't have a good educated
02:41:49.580 populace people that do their research and talk to one another if they don't have the time they
02:41:54.140 have a friend that they continually consult just like a family would because the family is supposed
02:41:59.180 to divide and conquer that is how we actually reach the success because on paper it can look
02:42:07.340 as beautiful as it wants but it's always up to the person that is actually implementing it and that
02:42:13.180 That is one thing that I've learned, even you going through all of the motions that you have with your different movements.
02:42:18.220 It's like some of the parties had great foundations, but why did they fail?
02:42:23.720 Well, we've got to look at the others and learn and look at the better models.
02:42:27.380 I'm not going to look at the morbidly obese person for advice on how to lose weight.
02:42:34.000 I'm not going to look to Syria for how to have good governance and avoid civil wars.
02:42:40.400 but we have those examples and there's a lot of positive examples we can look to and that's where
02:42:45.560 I'm seeing an opportunity but we do have to think about so where are things going well how are they
02:42:50.080 doing I love Switzerland model as an example again not perfection but certainly an interesting one
02:42:55.200 for a landlocked country with population and areas there are other working models of democracies all
02:43:02.200 over there's some interesting ones really emerging in Asia actually you know that are doing quite well
02:43:06.000 look to the best we've got a lot of negative models i mean it takes critical thinking though
02:43:11.380 yeah what went wrong there you know i mean not every parent is good i mean yeah often are good
02:43:17.060 intention or some aren't good it's awful to think of but uh you know so we take our advice from the
02:43:23.460 parents who are successful with what they've done and we look at that and we can see that
02:43:27.720 so it's it's just a whole lot to bite off and it's a it's a correction staying on the parenting
02:43:35.000 model is something to consider because like one of the discussions that we have around our house
02:43:38.940 a lot right now is once again like how did we get here because there were it's very reactionary
02:43:44.960 where things have come right a series of events played out and then people felt like they just
02:43:50.760 got like cold water splashed on the face and then also went and had a cold bath and they didn't know
02:43:54.640 how to whim off like they're finding themselves in shock and then it's caused the motivation but
02:43:59.980 even in that there's lots of um areas where we've kind of slipped a little bit we're not okay people
02:44:07.820 going at each other but i mean these are family fights these are the things about even family i
02:44:11.580 mean that that's how we're looking at the whole overarching and all the different people and
02:44:16.780 that's why we are so awake once again because we're going to divert attention back to the tpas
02:44:21.100 we should read these off too like let's actually give the names of them all and hopefully there's
02:44:25.020 a ticker we've got them all here right yeah we got stay free alberta let alberta decide
02:44:29.260 the levine show speaking of a good family uh cory morgan united alberta flags albertaschoice.com
02:44:38.060 and the alberta women's independence network there's also albertans for freedom there are so
02:44:43.020 many more so and the reason why i just want to encourage that is that we want to put out there
02:44:48.060 as a message also for our segment because we're coming into the landing zone here it's 2 48 i
02:44:52.940 think we're what three o'clock or something something like that until somebody comes in
02:44:56.220 and pulls that yanks yeah the little hook but the thing is is that these are all of our family
02:45:00.860 and including we would like to give them the tools and the knowledge and exposure for
02:45:05.580 equipment because odds are there's going to be a lot of people that will watch this telethon
02:45:10.700 and the odds are they're going to be advocates for this movement as it is in order for them
02:45:15.900 to even tune in in the first place what i'm hoping that is that somewhere along the way
02:45:20.460 we've given them some tools some things to think about some research to go and do and
02:45:25.340 books to go and read because i thoroughly enjoyed your work i did it twice and it was really really
02:45:30.060 early is before you even revamped it a little bit for where we were um just same with like
02:45:35.820 michael wagner's works and whatnot it's because i honestly feel that as albertans in order to be
02:45:41.820 able to not get bamboozled by a lot of the um mystics and malinformation slogans that are out
02:45:49.660 there and there are people with fantastic intentions but they're tripping over their feet
02:45:54.300 in a lot of ways so in order to be able to navigate through egos and icons i'm hoping that
02:45:59.580 the dialogue and these types of events can equip people i saw mike get slid in on yes on daryl
02:46:07.180 about time is going to have to like swing it around right
02:46:15.820 snowballs snowballs no good
02:46:17.260 no no it's it's i mean it's fascinating for me because i've i've watched the evolution
02:46:24.700 of the holmes family so for me to see where they've started what they've overcome going
02:46:30.860 the opportunity to the community um has been standing for you you've kind of been the godfather
02:46:37.660 to everybody and it's such a long time that there's so much respect there and i think that's
02:46:43.340 when you're i mean i'm watching 45 minutes of you guys engaging on the evolution of the idea and
02:46:49.100 and gals are catching up mike's saying hey let's go and you're going hey we've been there here's
02:46:55.740 here's how the picture looks and i think that that's what's encouraging right i mean uh for
02:47:00.940 those of us we're always behind the scenes trying to make it happen before you're out there in the
02:47:06.540 front getting shot at the time um there's a lot of respect for those who have come before us and i
02:47:12.780 think as the group gets bigger it's important for us to remember respectful to that history
02:47:18.620 because you know this hasn't happened in one hour one day or right right this this has been going
02:47:25.500 on since like 1904 and said mike let's not go back to that right there but subscribe to us
02:47:32.500 tune into us and we'll talk about that yeah yeah and it's there and a couple things that you talked
02:47:38.640 about and great that people are donating to the tpas because there's so much work there and you
02:47:44.200 know we're we're drawing from a small pool that's growing people who donate i think as the momentum
02:47:51.680 goes people should have hope you know there's hope that the ideas are starting to generate not just
02:47:58.260 hey let's go but where do we go and i mean there's ben trudeau has a great book out enough i mean he
02:48:05.020 that all kind of started because we did the town hall of the courage to listen and
02:48:09.420 would it canada be what would alberta be within the united canada is that the place
02:48:17.020 value of freedom came out this the very day and so you know that was kind of the birth of this
02:48:27.840 discussion that's going on but what i think that people overlook is the fact that we have so many
02:48:33.860 things we could do now to be independent and sovereign but government chooses not to and it's
02:48:40.160 always the third question we have to ask it's not the first one it's not the second one it's like
02:48:44.340 having a conversation a third person comes in you get a validation and I think why is government not
02:48:50.220 doing more to promote prosperity why are we happy with the lid that's on the pot and I think so many
02:48:59.380 people in alberta that are entrepreneurial minded that's what we we see just like the sky's the limit
02:49:05.860 except there's a lot of dark clouds that get put over it by policy so in alberta alone we could
02:49:12.020 have repatriated a lot of money for the pension and had that money being generated in alberta
02:49:18.340 i mean quebec did it with just the bow they've had it with their own thing i mean we don't even
02:49:23.780 deposit alberta royalties in the alberta bank right that goes to the cibc they call they skim
02:49:30.980 off 800 million something like that in fees so our government in alberta and you know i have a long
02:49:37.140 history with um they're not really committed to building alberta as a as a fortress in canada and
02:49:45.940 making alberta as strong as it is and i hear it i see it but you know there's a lot of criticisms
02:49:51.140 that could be made but at the same time we have to be as the people the politicians will never be
02:49:56.240 the solution we have to demand the change and we have to call for it and that's why i think the
02:50:01.520 movement has grown um the tools are certainly better although we got an emergency broadcast
02:50:07.280 here just a few minutes ago and i thought it was because c22 was actually official but apparently 0.81
02:50:12.960 there's an autistic right why doesn't that get a big warning right and and you know it dawned on 0.64
02:50:19.640 me sitting here listening to everyone have this dialogue that um local news has just died again 0.84
02:50:25.500 right uh global tvs just announced the the removal of alberta news from uh in edmonton and calgary
02:50:33.500 you know more local news not being told and centralized into toronto so toronto is going
02:50:38.660 to tell alberta news nice which you know they always have yeah it's the hunger games they're
02:50:44.220 the capital or district 12. so you got a minute your channels are going to do great i think you
02:50:48.880 can keep going because whoever's behind us
02:50:50.860 will just
02:50:51.300 I'm looking the other way
02:50:56.340 I appreciate it
02:50:58.700 one reminder for everybody we've
02:51:00.840 been talking about asking good questions and dialogue
02:51:02.920 send your spicy questions
02:51:05.160 because we already have
02:51:07.060 trust us to
02:51:08.500 let's go Alberta
02:51:10.160 number one at gmail.com
02:51:12.680 because again if you're if you
02:51:14.820 are one of those people thinking about it or you have
02:51:16.860 a friend that is starting to thinking
02:51:18.680 a think about it and they got questions i got a question for a friend right i got a question for
02:51:23.000 a friend it is literally your job to start the dialogue because that is how as you know daryl's
02:51:28.780 pointing out this local conversation and your local dialogues that's the news it's juno news
02:51:34.840 like the little juno groups and so get together with your friends and start talking and asking
02:51:39.060 those questions so definitely do that we are emphatically grateful for this opportunity and
02:51:44.400 thank you both for coming on and we could do another whole hour but
02:51:47.840 oh no i was fascinating listening to everybody we'll have him on our podcast yeah yeah you guys
02:51:56.000 matter i'm assuming we're there we're in your hands yeah we're in your hands here for the studio so
02:52:01.460 here with cory morgan another one of our third party advertisers the name of your tpa cory
02:52:08.840 pathway to independence pathway to independence and i've talked to you before i interviewed you
02:52:13.900 the day uh that you were in calgary handing out some of your signs it's been an incredible success
02:52:18.620 for you hasn't oh boy has it ever it's taken right off uh you know i i just like to remind people i
02:52:23.980 didn't anticipate it blowing up so big so i've been terribly organized we've had fantastic
02:52:28.380 volunteers stepping up though and helping as this shotgun approach uh over 12 000 signs made now
02:52:33.340 probably about 9 000 of them distributed at this point and still more just just churning out and
02:52:38.780 getting out there the demand and the the support has been incredible a lot of work and i know you've
02:52:43.740 you've talked about uh there's challenges certainly but i think the challenges and the
02:52:48.060 rules through elections alberta kind of well i was going to say it makes it equal for everybody i
02:52:52.140 don't know that that's actually the case because of what's going on with uh the forever canadian
02:52:56.300 people but it does give you some guidelines and uh it's allowed you to raise a quite a bit of
02:53:01.900 money so far isn't it it has and you know i don't mind the guidelines most of them are based on just
02:53:06.860 transparency having some maximums just reporting where's your money coming from
02:53:10.700 and making sure also the reporting on how you spend it later so you know people aren't getting
02:53:14.540 ripped off and it goes rip along so it's been good to keep up with it and uh the amount raised
02:53:19.260 now has been well just a bit over a hundred thousand dollars which is far beyond what i
02:53:23.740 ever anticipated right and you know we've there's been a little bit of controversy some signs taken
02:53:29.340 down or people trying to take down signs we went to taber a few weeks back which was a great success
02:53:33.660 people supporting your billboards around the province as well um and there's been a little
02:53:37.900 little bit of vandalism but let's stay away from that you have been in on this fight well i guess
02:53:43.600 decades now yeah i've been pretty stubborn i was 29 years old i started the alberta independence
02:53:48.540 party i really uh i similar to now in a sense of just kind of diving in and and uh finding myself
02:53:54.180 just working with how i went yeah uh we learned a heck of a lot since then we certainly learned a
02:53:58.500 lot then i've concluded the federation was broken a long time ago and i'm still holding on to that
02:54:03.660 conclusion i was going to say to you nothing has come along to change your mind and all that time
02:54:07.400 No, nothing at all.
02:54:08.660 You know, I mean, there's been times where I certainly have worked on more pragmatic change because the movement wasn't moving or things are going.
02:54:13.700 You don't stop everything else just because you've concluded, you know, the Federation's broken.
02:54:17.200 Right.
02:54:17.540 But now seeing this finally with enough people realizing that this has to come to a question has been great.
02:54:22.000 I've been waiting a long time.
02:54:23.040 If people want to find out more about you, what's your website?
02:54:26.460 CoreyMorgan.com, which, again, I like to explain.
02:54:29.420 I thought this was just going to be small.
02:54:30.880 I thought we're going to be cheap.
02:54:31.800 I'm going to use an existing website.
02:54:33.420 And we had to register it.
02:54:34.320 So there it is.
02:54:34.900 And that's what it's easy to remember.
02:54:35.960 But if you would like to support Corey's third party as a third party advertiser, go to albertatelethon.com and click on his link.
02:55:05.960 they stood in line for hours brave the cold and when you talked about their children and the mess
02:55:14.760 we're living in from the back row of the hall to the front row of the fight you said if they're
02:55:23.240 gonna hear us it's gonna be tonight come on let's go so that's gonna be the battle cry for our
02:55:32.360 movement. Let's go!
02:56:02.360 For Alberta, this one's for you.
02:56:07.780 I feel like I'm with friends here.
02:56:09.360 That's exactly correct.
02:56:11.140 That's what the whole thing with all these events are for.
02:56:13.780 People understand that they're part of a group of like-minded people
02:56:16.700 that think and have the same ambitions and goals as they have.
02:56:19.800 You stare down that lens in your studio light.
02:56:25.720 Coffee gone cold, face pale from the night.
02:56:29.820 From the dark hours to the evening show
02:56:35.220 You hit go live and refused to let go
02:56:40.580 Slow roll down from Edmonton, high beams cutting through
02:56:46.000 Northbound up from Calgary, every small town waiting on you
02:56:51.820 Truck stop, coffee cooling between petitions in the rain
02:56:57.040 Car tables and gravel out shopping every name
02:57:02.420 You came to sign on the freedom line
02:57:06.860 Ink on paper, hearts on fire
02:57:12.200 Every name like gasoline, kicking up that rebel choir
02:57:18.500 Let me shake your hand, thank you for your time
02:57:23.000 Fired up voices, strong and true
02:57:28.360 You stepped up for Alberta
02:57:32.120 This one's for you
02:57:36.340 I am Alberta!
02:57:39.220 Again!
02:57:40.160 I am Alberta!
02:57:42.680 Again!
02:57:43.780 I am Alberta!
02:57:45.900 This one's for you
02:57:47.380 I am Alberta!
02:57:49.420 You filled up clipboards and sleet and rain
02:57:53.200 Roadside lots by the highway chain
02:57:55.940 And echoing halls where the floors were bare
02:57:58.660 You passed that pen like a whispered prayer
02:58:01.680 You came to sight
02:58:05.040 On the frozen ground
02:58:07.680 Heard your own heartbeat
02:58:10.680 Like a drum's low sound
02:58:13.100 Looked around
02:58:15.800 Saw you're not alone
02:58:18.360 Countless souls fighting for a home
02:58:23.720 You came to sign on the freedom line
02:58:29.420 Ink on paper, hearts on fire
02:58:34.660 Every name like gasoline
02:58:38.420 Kicking up that rebel fire
02:58:41.080 Let me shake your hand
02:58:42.980 Thank you for your time
02:58:46.540 We've gotten by round three.
02:58:48.340 Now we're in the Stanley Cup final.
02:58:50.440 And away we go.
02:58:51.700 Thank you very much.
02:58:52.480 God bless all of you.
02:58:53.300 For Alberta.
02:58:56.140 And I raise this one to you.
02:58:59.700 This one's for you.
02:59:03.660 You stood that line.
02:59:07.900 Here with Corey Morgan.
02:59:09.940 And I think we're alive.
02:59:12.560 Hey, she loved.
02:59:13.780 Tamari, it's so awesome to see you.
02:59:15.540 no thank you for for joining the live stream it's amazing i i know how many people are watching us
02:59:24.640 right now but i think today's goal is to support alberta independence and to get us as many
02:59:30.300 donations as possible for third-party advertisers so i'm just going to remind everyone before we
02:59:35.100 even start to go to alberta.com and select your advertisers oh shila and tamar it's so awesome
02:59:44.060 having you please tell tell us where you are right now okay so we are in lethbridge alberta right
02:59:50.700 now this is our second sign drop-off location today we started the morning in okotoks uh where
02:59:57.260 we met a couple hundred people give out a couple hundred signs for my third party advertiser
03:00:03.260 it's albertas-choice.com we've got a couple of different signs so we're just finishing up here
03:00:10.540 in lethbridge i hope we have enough signs because we have to go to medicine hat still today so we're
03:00:15.980 on quite a junket on a blazing hot day but this is the grassroots tpa that could and we're doing
03:00:23.500 our best to spread the word that alberta just wants fair treatment and a chance to have our say
03:00:29.100 yeah oh that's amazing you guys are so busy i guess it's thanks so much for for doing that guys
03:00:36.300 what what do you think for for albert the independence is there a lot of people coming
03:00:40.060 up to pick up those signs we started off the day with 500 signs i think we will probably have about
03:00:47.660 50 to give out by the time we get to medicine hat we're just wrapping up here now and we still have
03:00:53.820 you know like 15 maybe 20 people still here just gathering around talking it's a very busy day yeah
03:01:00.540 but when we got here to Lethbridge there was like a crowd of maybe 50 people here and when
03:01:07.660 we started the day in Okotoks we weren't supposed to start till nine but we know our people are
03:01:13.660 eager and they were already there at 8 30 just snatching up signs so very busy um people like
03:01:19.580 our signs uh because they speak to the inequity of the treatment of Alberta one of our signs
03:01:25.260 says quebec got to vote why can't we in fact quebec got two votes and we have to jump through
03:01:30.620 all these ridiculous hoops just to get a chance to ask the same question quebec did and that
03:01:35.740 isn't fair that's just another reason why albertans deserve a chance to determine their own future
03:01:43.420 exactly exactly and what are the people saying do you have anyone coming to you while picking
03:01:48.460 up those signs and you know having a small chat what is the biggest reason that people support it
03:01:55.420 yeah i'm gonna shut up and let samara take this one uh we've been busy talking to people like
03:02:00.460 crazy i mean the one thing about it is they're very happy they're very hopeful they're looking
03:02:05.820 forward to the future of alberta they have a lot of concerns with how this government is being run
03:02:10.780 and how canadians are being treated and uh but the vibe is positive you know there's not a lot of
03:02:16.140 Debbie Downers in this camp. They're really excited for what's coming. They're excited to
03:02:20.560 talk about the possibilities of what a free and independent Alberta could look like. And it's
03:02:25.340 just been an amazing day already. I'm not going to even have a voice tomorrow. We've been talking
03:02:29.160 so much. Oh, talking so much, shaking so many hands. And yes, lots of hugs. And I just want
03:02:34.660 to reiterate what Tamara's saying. Unlike what is being offered on the other side of this, very
03:02:40.460 little arguments outside of nostalgia and name calling from the Forever Canada and the Federalist
03:02:47.280 side. The people on the independent side, they're full of facts. They can tell you the number when
03:02:54.100 you talk to them about equalization. They can tell you the number when you talk to them about
03:02:58.880 the inequitable distribution of Senate seats. They come armed with the facts. And the other side just
03:03:06.620 comes with like i said nostalgia and insults it's well we love canada um i used to love it too i love
03:03:15.440 what it used to be and you know they they call you names they shut down the argument in fact
03:03:20.560 um we had i should tell you crazy thing we didn't plan it this way when we got here to our spot well
03:03:28.140 the forever canada people were set up across the parking lot um and you know they kept to their
03:03:33.900 side we kept to ours it's fine i don't want to fight with them i wanted i want to have our say
03:03:39.120 at the ballot box but they did have somebody from their side get a little frisky and come over here
03:03:44.980 and get a little aggressive with a nice older lady but he shut his mouth real fast when the
03:03:50.640 young fellows got involved um you know if your argument comes down to pointing your fingers in
03:03:57.400 the face of a little old lady maybe you don't have an argument at all yeah exactly yeah that's uh
03:04:02.560 I mean, and that's one of the things that I'm so proud about this side of the movement is, is that, you know, people, we are not the ones out there calling names or being disrespectful.
03:04:11.140 Stealing signs.
03:04:11.720 Stealing signs, for example.
03:04:13.580 Exactly.
03:04:14.180 You know, like I said, everyone's really happy, happy and they're hopeful and they're respectful to others and what other people's points of view are.
03:04:23.440 Yeah.
03:04:23.640 And sorry, maybe we're monopolizing the show right now.
03:04:26.620 No, it's all good.
03:04:27.360 It's all good.
03:04:27.920 Go ahead.
03:04:28.360 We're very excited because it really fills your social battery up to meet with people all day.
03:04:36.540 You know, we're in journalism, so we get a lot of anger directed at us on social media.
03:04:42.900 But it's good to touch grass, quite literally, and be in the real world with real people.
03:04:47.680 And as Tamara said, these people are hopeful.
03:04:49.720 They're not scared.
03:04:50.540 There is a substantial portion of the Canadian population that is addicted to fear post-COVID.
03:04:55.220 And so now that the COVID fear has receded, the fear of separation is their new addiction.
03:05:01.240 But, you know, when you talk to these people, and I've sort of said it all day, they're not scared.
03:05:05.680 They really believe in Albertans, that there's nothing that we can't do.
03:05:10.700 When you look at the place that we were able to build in spite of the federal government, in spite of the weather and the climate and all the challenges that faced this province since its inception,
03:05:21.820 we have built a wonderful beautiful place that we must protect as our own and it's a pioneering
03:05:28.040 spirit we were pioneers and we're about to pioneer a new country or trailblazers yeah we got the
03:05:35.240 people we got the talent we got the resources we got the experience we got the know-how enthusiasm
03:05:39.960 that's right and positivity
03:05:42.680 Exactly. No, Tamara, I wanted to ask you, I think you were a part of WeExit before people took, you know, Western independence seriously.
03:05:53.680 I mean, how does it feel any different from 2019? How does it feel right now?
03:05:58.680 Oh, man. Well, there's definitely a lot more momentum. And I think maybe the Maverick Party was a little bit ahead of its time.
03:06:05.680 ahead of its time. You know, I've often thought what it would be like to have that, to have
03:06:11.060 something like that now, as opposed to 2019. But I would say that the sentiment now is much
03:06:18.820 more increased. There's a lot more support behind Del Verde independence now, for sure.
03:06:24.860 And I think seeing those numbers on the petition normalized it for a lot of people. I think a lot
03:06:30.360 of people believe in independence, maybe they didn't put their name on the petition. But seeing
03:06:34.540 that 301,000 of their fellow Albertans were willing to stick their name and address on a
03:06:39.640 piece of paper to say, we deserve a chance. I think it really normalized the conversation.
03:06:45.020 It's not a fringe thing. You know, we know the majority of people within the UCP party itself
03:06:50.360 support Western independence. We know that nearly 50%, and this is from our albertas-choice.com
03:06:58.700 official polling data, and we hired Main Street to do it for us. So we thought we'd hire a sort
03:07:04.080 a left-leaning pollster so we knew exactly what we were dealing with we wanted to know the mountain
03:07:09.120 we had to overcome but we got data that showed that like almost 50 of indigenous people support
03:07:16.640 independence regardless of what their chiefs are saying so we know that this is a really
03:07:22.800 mainstream movement regardless of the lies as a mainstream media and there are a few people in
03:07:29.520 the middle and that's all it's going to take to get this over the finish line and i mean i think
03:07:33.760 every time Prime Minister Carney opens his mouth, 10 new independent supporters get up.
03:07:38.880 They're born. They're born.
03:07:44.000 Oh yeah, and I actually wanted to ask you, Sheila, about your book that you wrote on the blueprint.
03:07:51.360 I wanted to ask you because there was a referendum in 1995 for Quebec and they did the right kind of
03:07:58.320 preparation. Do you think we are getting this preparation right for ourselves right now?
03:08:03.760 you know when i wrote the book we weren't you know and that's the problem with writing books
03:08:08.400 is they only snow they only show a snapshot of what's happening at that moment and when i wrote
03:08:14.880 the book um and what i did with the book it's called independence blueprint what alberta can
03:08:19.440 learn from quebec at that time we weren't doing any of the groundwork that quebec was doing we
03:08:26.960 have the enthusiasm we have the grievances for sure but we hadn't done any of the public engagement
03:08:35.280 the sitting down and answering the questions and and you know in quebec they had this commission
03:08:41.280 that went everywhere across the province and they had separate commissions for young people
03:08:45.920 and senior citizens because they faced different issues and they really wanted to know what their
03:08:51.280 objections would be what their fears were and they wanted to table a plan to address those because
03:08:59.560 they knew project fear was coming for them and it did work at the end when when the independence was
03:09:08.660 surging in quebec that's when they the federalists just unleashed everything they had and it really
03:09:13.720 put a stop to that the more groundwork we do in advance which i think keith wilson and his group
03:09:19.220 are doing right now the more public engagement the more facts and education are out there the less
03:09:25.780 that fear that we saw in quebec will be effective on albertans exactly yes i think keith wilson
03:09:32.820 started a good transition council so i think we are getting more more more and more prepared for
03:09:38.580 this entire event i also wanted to ask you know for for tamara i heard that there is something
03:09:44.740 going on in terms of uh you know additional charity i think i think you were there you know
03:09:50.660 you got arrested multiple times with no bail i wanted to ask you uh do you think that like uh
03:09:57.620 did it impact you to support alberta independence how how did your overall sentiment towards the
03:10:03.380 federal government is after all of this and uh i heard that there are some things coming up soon
03:10:08.580 in october so just wanted to get your perspective what do you think well i think that canada does
03:10:15.220 not have a justice system i think that canada has a legal system and what you're referring to
03:10:19.940 is we have an appeals process coming up chris barber and myself um as most people that are
03:10:25.460 following these cases will know that pat king had his or his acquittal on his intimidation charge
03:10:31.620 overturned by the appellate court yesterday and he's going back for resentencing and within the
03:10:36.580 the next 60 days so that's obviously very concerning for for everybody else and you know
03:10:43.140 what I love Canadians Igor I can't tell you enough how much support that Chris and I and so many
03:10:50.200 others have gotten from Canadians Canada as it sits right now not so much I mean it's not it's
03:10:57.140 definitely not the country that I grew up in and it's and it's very concerning it's very concerning
03:11:02.140 to me that we have three judges that wrote in a decision that the freedom convoy was an organized
03:11:07.840 attack on ottawa citizens yeah that's very concerning to me uh because that's that's
03:11:13.640 liberal talking points that those are not facts um and those are now written in a legal decision
03:11:19.060 going forward so i'm anticipating that our appeal will now be expedited because they were actually
03:11:24.900 waiting on this decision and um and they're trying to do the same thing they're trying to have myself
03:11:29.840 Chris Barber's intimidation acquittals overturned and have us serve more jail time oh my goodness
03:11:36.720 this is and this is after i think it was already like five years how sorry that they did or
03:11:42.160 uh it was already pretty long yeah my sentence will be served before this even gets to the
03:11:48.720 appellate court most likely and my sentence will be served in january of 2027 so again then you
03:11:54.400 know we're just going to start this whole process all over again this is something you know this is
03:11:58.880 honestly you know scary for a lot of especially immigrants coming from those countries you know
03:12:04.480 where democracy is not there so much so it's kind of scary even for me coming from eastern
03:12:09.680 europe hearing that people get this kind of things going on here here in alberta it's almost
03:12:15.360 feels like you know to me it almost feels like a made-up charge you know just to intimidate people
03:12:20.240 from speaking up that's my personal perception of this you know it could be it could be a different
03:12:25.680 thing from the legal perspective but that's how i see it you know from where i come from it's uh you
03:12:31.120 know if you speak up your mind too much this kind of charges appear you know it's at least from my
03:12:35.840 perspective i just spoke to a gentleman whose family immigrated here from china and he said
03:12:41.200 the same thing like that his parents would just be absolutely appalled by what's going on here
03:12:46.000 and i had to tell him the story about you know when we were at the freedom convoy if we were
03:12:49.600 walking around canadians would obviously come up and they'd hug us and they'd cry on our shoulder 0.94
03:12:54.080 and they would be very grateful but when the uh immigrants that came from communist countries 1.00
03:12:59.840 came up it was a completely different it was a desperate gratitude tears of desperation from 0.67
03:13:06.160 people that have watched this playbook and they're watching it happen in canada in slow motion
03:13:10.640 and a lot of our immigrant population that came from these communist countries have been trying
03:13:14.640 to sound the alarm bells for quite a considerable amount of time um so it is alarming to them and 0.88
03:13:21.040 and uh and they should know they know what they're talking about you know and to just bring this all
03:13:25.200 back to the whole idea of independence these judges by and large are federally appointed by
03:13:31.280 the liberal party some of them are liberal donors there's a requirement on the supreme court that
03:13:36.560 they be francophone all of that means that they are largely not from the west so these judges do
03:13:44.000 not represent the values of the West. We are seeing light sentences or no sentences at all
03:13:51.200 for career criminals, illegal migrants getting light sentences so that it doesn't jeopardize 0.92
03:13:57.780 their immigration. But then you see the book being thrown at people like Tamara Leach. And then when
03:14:02.700 they lose, they try to get another kick at the can. And so I think what we're seeing in the justice
03:14:08.080 system, which as Tamara points out, is simply just a legal system. It fuels Western independence
03:14:13.260 Because we see that we do not want to be a part of a country that allows catch and release for people who harm children, people who harm our fellow Canadians.
03:14:24.120 But then when you see what's happening to Tamara, you see that it is a political decision that we no longer want to be a part of.
03:14:31.760 Exactly. And, you know, honestly, before we continue, I just want to remind everyone
03:14:38.120 to go through the link and put your donations for your favorite TPA, third party advertisers
03:14:43.880 that you want to support.
03:14:46.880 Exactly. Yes, please don't forget that too, because I think that's the only way to fight
03:14:53.520 tyranny at this point to get, you know, as many donations as possible to have the vote
03:14:59.320 to get us out because we have unlimited budget of traditional media i think we have i think uh
03:15:04.680 was it was it you sure that you were saying about two-tier media system that we have or you know
03:15:10.640 that we have and yeah i think the social media and that's what they're trying to close right now
03:15:17.240 is the only way and we have to get out before before it's too late so make sure you donate
03:15:22.200 i also wanted to ask you tomorrow how do you keep on going if you know that there's so many so much
03:15:27.400 of stress is going to your family you know potential another charges or another thing
03:15:32.440 that might come up we we don't know how do you keep on going despite of all of those things
03:15:36.560 because a lot of people would just they would look around they would just give up by now they
03:15:40.120 would say you know what i don't want to deal with this i'm too scared yeah igor i want to know that
03:15:45.180 too yeah well honestly you just you just answered your own question i'm not afraid these people
03:15:50.220 don't scare me and and people just need to understand there is nothing to fear i mean
03:15:54.680 what can they take from me that that i really truly need you know they've put me on house arrest
03:15:59.240 and the judge has um blocked my mobility rights but she doesn't give me my freedom my freedom
03:16:04.740 comes from god and i think he's got my back um and i'm just really fortunate that i have an
03:16:09.940 amazing family who supports what i do all right and uh good co-workers obviously the best co-workers
03:16:17.560 in the entire world um and so you know chris barbara and i talk at length about how blessed
03:16:23.240 how truly I feel like the luckiest woman in the world I've had support and this goes back to what
03:16:28.260 I was saying about Canadians you know Canadians have really supported Chris and I and everybody
03:16:31.980 from the Freedom Convoy and we let we appreciate it and love them so much um and you know that I
03:16:39.100 guess that's what keeps me going and they just don't scare me and uh and I'm just not good with
03:16:45.780 I'm not going to let them break me you know they just they can't and and honestly that's one of
03:16:50.040 the things they hate the most and I've been speaking about this a little bit lately because
03:16:53.960 there's quite a bit of backlash after I was at the U.S. Ambassadors there on the 4th of July
03:16:58.360 and you know a lot of people that don't like me are more upset that I'm not miserable sad broken
03:17:05.440 and demoralized but that's really not in my nature so so yeah I feel really lucky and you know to be
03:17:12.320 quite frank we're almost through this we've got about just over two months left of our house
03:17:16.520 rest and then we'll have a curfew for a few months and you know then this will be all over
03:17:23.560 oh that's that's that's the good part i yeah and i hope it's it's all going to be over i
03:17:27.480 hope we you know i hope by october once we have our referendum you know we are going to move towards
03:17:33.400 to more towards freedom because i think it's getting a little bit more you know heated up
03:17:38.120 because recently i don't know if you've seen that news an edmonton person was walking around with the
03:17:42.120 the you know it was the flag alberta flag it was almost thrown under the car it you know it could
03:17:48.840 have been a homicide if that person were to get run over by that car it's it's crazy things you
03:17:55.400 know igor i did run into that man his name is don bonner i ran into him at keith wilson's pancake
03:18:01.320 breakfast for uh let alberta decide uh last weekend in calgary and he also amazed me with his positive
03:18:09.880 attitude he has very much the same positive attitude as tamara that yes maybe he could have
03:18:14.980 flung me into traffic but thank god i didn't get run over and he's grateful for the driver with
03:18:20.280 their quick reaction and you know he said it's not going to stop me they did that to stop me
03:18:26.640 so if i stopped didn't they win and i think that's exactly the right attitude to have you know we
03:18:31.720 we got to go out there we got to have the facts but we got to have the right attitude because this
03:18:37.020 is not a level playing field the other side does not have to register as a third party advertiser
03:18:42.860 group the other side can push our people into traffic the other side can get aggressive we
03:18:48.380 can't it's not fair but we have to know that we have to be on our best behavior and we have to
03:18:54.380 we all have to be great ambassadors for the movement absolutely it's actually the more
03:19:00.380 successful this becomes the more desperate the other side and vicious ambitious and so i just
03:19:05.500 want to tell everyone to stay safe out there dial the heat down on a swivel and just be aware of
03:19:11.420 your surroundings and uh you know hopefully these these other guys smarten up a bit exactly it's uh
03:19:17.820 you have to always yeah you have to watch your back because some some i don't know why it is
03:19:23.260 sometimes i'm thinking it it's like a trump derangement syndrome almost going on on the
03:19:26.700 other side i don't know what's you know even though we don't have trump here but they get
03:19:31.100 really aggressive without any reasonable explanation to it so always you you also
03:19:36.940 be careful there when you're in public giving away your sites because some forever forever
03:19:41.420 canada people who don't even have to declare this is the craziest part about it is that they don't
03:19:45.660 have to declare the third party advertiser where the funds is coming from is it even coming from
03:19:50.540 alberta where it's all spanned it's crazy yeah we don't have any idea igor we oh yeah we have about
03:19:59.660 two more minutes otherwise we're never going to make it to medicine hat so yeah i wanted to ask
03:20:08.620 what do you think about premier's uh you know shila what do you think about premier's question
03:20:12.780 that she she rewarded it to you know it became a different question for october you know so yes
03:20:19.340 leads to another referendum rather than is it a smart correction or just way to stall the movement
03:20:26.380 how would you address it no actually for both of you yeah i think it was neither uh i think
03:20:32.860 it was neither a smart correction or a means to stall the movement i don't think she's out to
03:20:38.060 stall the movement i think we can and i understand people's anger towards premier smith for sure i
03:20:44.220 get it um but i think she was sort of left with no choice with the court decision that said that
03:20:50.620 there wasn't adequate enough consultation with first nations groups she just and she was public
03:20:56.140 she said i disagree with that that's right um she was vocal about that but to challenge that
03:21:02.140 decision would have taken this beyond october and so this is the only way to salvage an opportunity
03:21:09.500 for albertans to have their say but also to have their say down the road it amounts to adequate
03:21:15.900 consultation i guess i don't like it i don't agree with the court the premier was clear that
03:21:21.100 she doesn't agree with the court you know what consultation is one person one vote regardless
03:21:26.540 regardless of your ethnicity we're consulting everybody on the matter of a referendum i think
03:21:33.180 she was stuck between a rock and a hard place and she split the baby and there's just no winner there
03:21:39.100 yeah no i don't really have too much to add to that um remember premier smith wasn't didn't
03:21:43.420 have an independence mandate when she was elected she never ran on that platform but
03:21:47.180 But I do feel I agree with you.
03:21:49.780 Like, I think she is trying to mitigate both sides and make it hot.
03:21:54.300 I think if everybody's unhappy, she's probably she probably thinks she probably did the right thing.
03:21:59.980 You have to remember, she did not have to fix the referendum process.
03:22:03.880 Jason Kenney made it insurmountable to proceed with a referendum in this province.
03:22:09.180 She lowered the bar and made it a little bit more achievable.
03:22:13.100 And the independence movement did achieve that.
03:22:15.300 the activist courts and the activist chiefs got in the way and i i think it was just an ugly
03:22:21.680 situation and it wasn't made any better by that decision but i'm not sure what else she could
03:22:26.660 have done oh yeah well yeah thank you so thank you so much ladies for for joining us on this
03:22:32.920 and giving all this incredible information and and especially doing all the groundwork that
03:22:38.520 you're doing by actually giving up the signs not only you know like most people on youtube like
03:22:43.320 myself we just make videos but you guys actually do the actual work yes real jobs to get alberta
03:22:51.300 independent exactly and also want to remind everyone to go ahead and support the third
03:22:57.280 party advertisers and that's the i think that's the only way for us to to get our independence
03:23:02.060 because like you were saying the you know the forever canada crowd i don't even know whether
03:23:06.900 i should call them forever canada people i just you know summarize it because it's almost like
03:23:11.580 trump the regiment syndrome on that side going on in that way they don't have to forever slavery
03:23:16.300 yeah forever slavery i think that's actually way way better it's people who are being driven by
03:23:23.580 fear a lot you know and they're having unlimited printing machine of money from what i'm seeing
03:23:30.600 because if they don't declare where the money is coming from and could be coming from anywhere it
03:23:34.820 actually doesn't really make sense if they're you know from my perspective they are companion
03:23:39.380 their companion not for unity of canada their companion specifically against alberta independence
03:23:45.000 they were literally in the same parking lot as us today with flags we had flags they had flags
03:23:52.820 i have signs they had signs they had volunteers i got a volunteer they were doing exactly the
03:24:00.440 same they were taking donations i'm taking donations doing exactly the same thing i was
03:24:04.940 doing in the exact same city 50 feet that way and i've got to register as a third party advertiser
03:24:10.580 and declare everything and they don't make it make sense it's it's it it does make sense it's
03:24:16.920 you know the biggest surprise i got for me is that my investigation by elections alberta got
03:24:22.040 dismissed i didn't even know i was investigated for something i said on x i was like oh wow i'm
03:24:27.360 not even registered a third party advertiser i didn't do anything you know i was like why are
03:24:32.840 investigated i just got a letter saying it's been dismissed i was like oh well i guess it's a good
03:24:37.480 sign i can do you one better they investigated me for writing a book called stop notly and i
03:24:43.800 gave out lawn signs to promote the book and then elections alberta investigated me issued a 50 i
03:24:49.720 think a 50 600 fine and then when i said you you concluded the investigation without even
03:24:57.080 interviewing me they said oh we made a mistake now we want to interview you then then the fine
03:25:02.440 got rescinded when i recorded my phone call with the investigator when like my lawn signs literally
03:25:08.520 said stop not leave buy the book and they said that was a campaign but i was advertising anyway
03:25:14.760 they came after me wow that's that that's that's crazy they really they reduced the amount or they
03:25:20.840 dropped it that uh they dropped it all together once once i said you didn't even interview me
03:25:26.360 and i'm about to lawyer up big time then they got rattled and then dropped the fine
03:25:30.440 oh my goodness i guess that's their that's the biggest way of just intimidating people out of it
03:25:36.080 you know it's yeah it i'm sure they might be watching our live stream right now so we also
03:25:42.080 have to be careful you know not to say something they could you know not to say something they
03:25:48.160 could catch to it and say that you're saying something i'm not scared i'm not scared of
03:25:52.480 elections alberta i fought them once in one come again no absolutely absolutely i think i was the
03:25:59.760 sound on my on my headphone somehow but i can hear you a little bit okay yeah we can still hear you
03:26:05.720 but igor i must tell you we have to wrap up we have to get to our next location i don't want
03:26:10.740 the people waiting for me i have the signs sounds good sounds good that's amazing well
03:26:16.020 you you may just have a wonderful journey and keep doing the great work
03:26:20.040 thank you for and your entire team for putting this together
03:26:28.540 John we're talking about you thank you to and to everybody at home watching Max also everybody at
03:26:35.560 home watching everybody who's putting their hard-earned money behind whatever TPA you choose
03:26:40.600 please choose mine but whatever hard-earned money that you are giving we know how hard you work for
03:26:45.860 that we know that there are other things that you could be spending your money on but we promise
03:26:49.640 we're out here working hard giving up our weekends our evenings after we have real jobs to fight for
03:26:56.280 western independence and we just appreciate everybody who's doing that
03:26:59.900 who's supporting all of us whether it's Cory Keith us anybody thank you so much
03:27:04.380 we appreciate you thank you thank you thank you especially for for doing all
03:27:09.000 of this it's amazing thank you
03:27:26.280 Welcome.
03:27:47.240 Three months from today, you'll be asked to vote for option two on question 10 in the referendum.
03:27:52.220 but a lot is going to happen between now and October the 19th. Let me put it to you this way
03:27:59.220 over the next three months the full weight of the federal government of Canada the Liberal Party of
03:28:04.960 Canada and the Prime Minister of Canada Mark Carney will come down on Alberta to try to stop
03:28:10.860 us from gaining our independence. Not only that the full weight of the Conservative Party of Canada
03:28:15.740 its MPs many of whom you voted for and its leader Pierre Polyev will come down on Alberta
03:28:21.360 to try to stop us from gaining our independence.
03:28:24.800 And a little closer to home,
03:28:26.820 a woman you probably voted for and trusted
03:28:29.780 will be campaigning against you 1.00
03:28:31.800 for trying to get a better life for yourself,
03:28:35.280 your children, and your grandchildren.
03:28:40.100 Not only that, these parties have endless amounts of money.
03:28:44.080 Throw in the mainstream media
03:28:45.700 and the $1.4 billion of your money to the CBC,
03:28:49.400 and this is a pretty steep hill to climb. But today we can make a difference. Today we can
03:28:57.820 make a stand. Today we can send a message to Ottawa. So far third-party advertisers on our
03:29:05.300 side are doing very well. We're out raising the other side but we have hundreds of thousands of
03:29:10.900 dollars and they have millions and billions. If you can, over the next 12 hours, please contribute
03:29:19.240 Please donate to the third-party advertisers we'll be talking about today.
03:29:24.960 It's the only way we can win this thing.
03:29:29.360 Welcome to the Telethon for Independence. 1.00
03:29:33.280 Now let's kick some ass. 1.00
03:29:49.240 We'll be right back. 0.99
03:30:19.240 and we are back right here and now i also invited john bolton to come back to our stage i want to
03:30:32.200 remind everyone to go and donate as much as possible to to get us through the referendum
03:30:37.880 question go to albertatelethon.com and it's that's that's the website and there is i think there's a
03:30:43.800 six tpas seven seven yeah seven there yes and you can pick the one you want so there's seven there
03:30:49.560 yeah perfect choose the tpa that you think you want to donate to and go ahead and support because
03:30:55.640 we are fighting against legacy media that has unlimited yeah amount of funds coming from your
03:31:00.920 taxes probably if you can uh donate to more than one that'd be terrific you know um it's been
03:31:06.280 fantastic so far i just was talking with tanya clements by the way tanya and keith wilson are
03:31:12.280 going to be on in the next hour with nat and the guy we're going to mexico nat and the guy will be
03:31:17.720 hosting from mexico we're kind of an international telethon here today but jenny and keith will be
03:31:23.320 on with matt and the guy they're not in mexico i have to tell you that but they've already raised
03:31:27.960 over thirty thousand dollars today uh so it's been a great day all the other tpas are more than 10
03:31:33.960 times what they would raise in a day but it's not enough we need to get more money in the bank
03:31:39.080 we're four hours in and this has been an incredible success but folks we really
03:31:43.080 really need your support so if you can help out albertatelethon.com please help exactly i don't
03:31:50.920 know if my microphone is working because i can hear you but i can hear myself but i can hear you
03:31:54.840 okay perfect as long as you can hear me i can hear you because it went silent oh my goodness
03:32:00.760 it was amazing to have shiva gun read and kamara leach on our i yeah on our live stream right now
03:32:06.920 they're actually doing the doing the groundwork risking and that that's that's awesome and you
03:32:13.400 know they brought up a couple of important things and that's what scares me a lot right now in in
03:32:18.280 in canada what can has become is tamara leach getting you know getting criminal charges and
03:32:23.560 getting like what is that obstruction i believe it was there couple of arrests with no bailer
03:32:29.240 we actually have real criminals i was talking to edmonton police officer there the other day and
03:32:34.200 he was telling me about the case where and some nine-year-old girl was tossed into killed and
03:32:39.160 tossed into a you know hockey bag and there was like a ridiculously small charge for that guy
03:32:45.320 who did that wow this is crazy so for political speech they really go at you and then somebody
03:32:50.920 has a homicide of you know underage it's like almost like what the hell is going what is going
03:32:55.960 on it's scary the process is the punishment and that's what they're doing when i see tamir leach
03:33:01.400 it makes me mad i remember watching the convoy you remember watching the convoy everybody
03:33:09.160 who followed the convoy remembers when she got arrested i was so damn mad about that and then
03:33:14.860 i see her now she's been charged with mischief and this has been going on for five years or
03:33:21.720 something and then they're going to take her back to court and try to put her in jail for longer
03:33:27.160 all because of her speech this is this is what you want to deal with where you live this won't
03:33:32.600 happen in an independent alberta this isn't going to happen in an independent alberta
03:33:36.920 people are going to have rights in an independent alberta and i think back to the time when they
03:33:42.440 ran over an old woman i think she was in a walker with a horse so yeah i get mad when i see tamara 1.00
03:33:47.400 late she's she's a diminutive woman she stands about four foot nothing and i stand beside her 0.99
03:33:53.160 and she's got more guts than most of the people who run this run this government and it makes me
03:33:57.800 so damn mad when i see her because she is a freedom fighter and so is sheila gun reid and
03:34:03.640 thank them i want to thank them for being on and and this is what we're fighting for today we need
03:34:09.240 as much money as we can get today for goodness sakes as i said in that little clip you just
03:34:14.040 watched there's an unending amount of money that's going to be fighting against us billions of
03:34:19.480 dollars all the political parties because they want to keep us here because we're their bank
03:34:24.400 account it had enough and i want to leave and i could feel the momentum building and that's what
03:34:29.260 today is about albertatelethon.com this is a fundraiser folks i'm glad you're enjoying the
03:34:34.800 stream thank you so much if you contributed thank you but if you haven't and you can give or you
03:34:40.380 know somebody who can or you can max it out and go to five thousand dollars for goodness sakes
03:34:46.060 do it today and and and keep contributing as much as you can all the way through to october
03:34:50.700 19. biggest thing that i i heard i believe i heard it from you today they've actually
03:34:54.940 passed some legislation to censor the freedom of speech right now in in canada i think it's coming
03:35:00.380 to power c9 is in effect today that's crazy three months to the day before we vote that's where we
03:35:08.140 are right now yeah c9 i mean it's a religious speech is all going to but be gone here and and
03:35:14.060 our freedoms of speech are slowly being stripped away a little by little and you know what happens
03:35:20.220 in england is this is where we're going folks in england somebody knocks on your door and there's
03:35:25.660 somebody standing there and they said you offended somebody on x we'd like you to come down to the
03:35:29.820 police station yeah and you're not charged with a crime it's a i can't remember it's some orwellian
03:35:36.300 phrase they use and i can't think of it right now but they take you down and they grill you and they
03:35:41.020 tell you to behave yourself because you bothered somebody you know i'm a i'm a free speech absolutist
03:35:47.340 as long as you're not threatening somebody you should be able to say whatever the hell you want
03:35:52.220 in this country as far as i'm concerned that's the way i feel about it but yeah the free speech is
03:35:56.220 being slowly stripped away bill by bill by bill by bill eventually they're just going to take take it
03:36:01.100 away from you i mean george washington said if freedom of speech is taken away then death and
03:36:05.820 dump shall be led like sheep to the slaughter and that's what's coming folks i think it's it's it's
03:36:12.460 time to speak about it right now before it's too late because in some countries you know if you if
03:36:16.780 you ask me why i'm speaking about it is because once you're not able to speak about and it's too
03:36:20.620 late the only way to change something is probably to change the country it's right you know then it's
03:36:25.340 it's too late and i don't want to be re-immigrating again first i move to a free country and then it's
03:36:30.540 becoming the similar dictatorship what's going on in eastern europe and then you know getting out
03:36:35.980 of here like no i'm not doing that so we have to keep on speaking up and for our freedoms and rights
03:36:41.340 igor you've been talking to so many people through this as i have and you know i've gone
03:36:45.260 out to so many wonderful places you know i was on at 11 o'clock this morning and um i said how
03:36:51.580 wonderful it is for me to be able to meet the people of this movement i met you through this
03:36:55.820 my friend and you know we've got a kinship here now everybody's got this kinship it's just
03:37:01.960 remarkable and i go out you meet people they come up to you igor right you shake their hand and
03:37:07.480 you're just as happy to see them as they are to see you this is this friendship this bond that
03:37:12.320 we've got here we've got a bond of being friends we've got a bond of working towards the same goal
03:37:17.160 and how great is it to work towards a goal with your friends and um it's just really remarkable
03:37:23.720 and uh we can we can do this but we're going to need a lot more help and and and albertatelethon.com
03:37:31.060 go there click on a link click on several if you can put all the information in there as much as
03:37:36.100 you can all of it then you'll find then then the tpas the third-party advertisers won't have to
03:37:42.020 track you down and make sure you do that specifically for paypal and e-transfers if
03:37:46.160 you don't put all your information down elections in alberta might end up with your money yeah they
03:37:51.280 can't help you the tpas can't help you at that point they'll just literally steal your donation
03:37:55.440 so make sure you put all your information there and i'll tell you you know what happened in eastern
03:38:00.080 europe there's a guy from russia that lives in the energy right now and he he was an influencer
03:38:05.840 so to speak in back home in russia it's and he made a facebook post supporting ukraine and when
03:38:13.520 when the when the entire situation happened there with the other you know military basically war
03:38:19.520 with between ukraine russia he went and supported the plane there and they showed up to his house
03:38:24.640 and they brought in the camera they came with the machine guns and everything but they didn't point
03:38:28.960 at him but scared of his kids and everyone and they basically brought in the camera and they
03:38:33.600 recorded that guy's face and saying well uh you should not ever do this again yeah so uh yeah
03:38:40.240 so that's uh that was his final straw before he left russia and he yeah he took asylum in canada
03:38:46.560 well you know yeah i've spoken to people who come up and said they've come from communist countries
03:38:51.120 or oppressive countries and they came here through the freedom and it's slowly being
03:38:55.440 stripped away they see what was happening there now happening here and that that's really sad
03:39:01.440 yeah that's that's what happens when you cannot protest or anything then he went
03:39:05.920 in st peterburg for a protest they dropped him throw him into a jail and jails were overfilled
03:39:11.280 with the people who came to a protest so they took him out of the city and then they released
03:39:15.440 him in a like by 4 a.m in a random location somewhere in the rural part of russia and he's
03:39:20.640 like i don't even know where i am and what's going on and yeah because the jails in the city were
03:39:25.120 overfilled with the people who were on that protest so they literally brought in buses just
03:39:28.800 loaded people on the bus and started driving them jail to jail to find out which one is you know
03:39:33.520 police department which one is available because everything was overfilled so that's kind of a
03:39:36.800 thing when i meet eastern europeans i met some congressers i was going to play a video today
03:39:41.600 on this live stream it was 40 minutes long 40 minutes i'll just publish it separately on my
03:39:46.320 channel and honestly hey i'll tell i'll tell you what i wanted to show the entire video but i think
03:39:52.560 i'll save it as a documentary it basically was starting where you were speaking there is dennis
03:39:58.800 is calmer
03:40:08.460 and
03:40:17.720 Thank you.
03:40:47.720 We'll be right back.
03:41:17.720 We'll be right back.
03:41:47.720 Thank you.
03:42:17.720 Thank you.
03:42:47.720 Thank you.
03:43:17.720 Thank you.
03:43:47.720 Thank you.
03:44:17.720 Thank you.
03:44:47.720 Thank you.
03:45:17.720 questions uh so they can ask them live on air so you can always uh send your questions right now
03:45:38.840 to let's go alberta one at gmail.com so also do that as we continue our conversation with keith
03:45:45.240 and tanya and i would say um maybe we'll get right into oh did you have a question you want
03:45:51.880 to start with actually you can start you go ahead okay uh well first of all i do want to ask because
03:45:57.960 of let alberta decide and it's amazing that we've already raised about 30 000 for let alberta decide
03:46:03.480 but i wanted to ask what initially drew you to be an advocate for alberta independence and what has
03:46:09.000 changed uh your perspective as it's gone forward so what what what caused me to get involved
03:46:16.200 is that your question yes well um i think like many of us uh we've watched the trajectory of
03:46:23.240 canada and we've watched in my view alberta outgrow canada uh i mean i didn't leave canada
03:46:30.840 Canada left me. And I'm very concerned about the affordability crisis. I'm concerned about
03:46:39.160 the erosion and, frankly, attacks by the federal government on our culture here in Alberta.
03:46:45.000 And the biggest driver for me is looking out for the future of my children and grandchildren.
03:46:54.520 And I've looked at this many times, very analytically over the years. And by every
03:47:00.040 measure, by every objective measure, Albertans, my children and grandchildren will be better
03:47:06.180 off in an independent Alberta. We can redefine our relationship with Canada, one that's one
03:47:12.340 of respect instead of exploitation, where we can grow up into the shoes that we've earned
03:47:19.280 to wear, which is to be a nation state as opposed to being a colony. So that's sort
03:47:24.840 of my origin story i've been watching the decline of canada manifest itself most acutely since 2015.
03:47:33.480 the views of people in central canada that will always elect our governments until alberta leaves
03:47:39.080 are never going to align with ours and we're fooling ourselves if you think
03:47:43.720 you can lead your way out of this we lead our way out of this by leaving
03:47:47.160 and tanya what about you i think that when i'm talking to people in alberta lots of their
03:47:56.300 hesitation to support alberta independence comes from either a place of fear because of the
03:48:00.900 uncertainty or the unknown and they like to stay in the status quo because that has less fear in
03:48:06.380 their minds or they have this like deep-seated patriotism to canada and this ideals that we
03:48:12.620 were brought up with. And I think I was largely one of those people for a very long time, up until
03:48:17.780 the recent federal election. I campaigned very hard for our local federal MP to try to be successful
03:48:24.240 in that election. But at the same time, I was also doing some research and learning about our place
03:48:29.660 within Canada and what Alberta sovereignty could mean within or without Canada. And while I was
03:48:34.800 kind of on that journey, I quickly discovered that there has been generations and generations
03:48:40.340 of people advocating for sovereignty within Canada
03:48:42.560 and decades and decades of work
03:48:44.420 by thousands and thousands of volunteers.
03:48:47.660 And where we are at right now,
03:48:50.000 there is no way to achieve that sovereignty
03:48:52.340 that we seek within Canada.
03:48:54.500 And it's a little bit sad.
03:48:57.140 We kind of crave that nostalgia
03:48:58.700 and that connection that we have
03:49:00.460 to the idealism of Canada.
03:49:02.340 But if we are vested in the interest
03:49:05.140 of future generations, as Keith said,
03:49:07.220 in our children and our grandchildren's futures,
03:49:08.900 then the path forward is to claim that sovereignty and pursue an independent Alberta.
03:49:15.040 And with these two great motivations you have and this drive to see an independent Alberta,
03:49:20.640 what made you jump to say, OK, let's actually create a TPA called Let Alberta Decide?
03:49:26.280 And what are the plans also moving forward?
03:49:30.160 Well, I'll take a first crack at that, Tanya, if that's OK.
03:49:33.000 you know one of the things that I've been involved in grassroots initiatives over my career
03:49:40.880 you know the most dramatic one I guess was the freedom convite protests in Ottawa
03:49:46.260 in 2022 but others before that and grassroots movements are essential but grassroots movements
03:49:56.660 also have a limitation and this particular initiative for Alberta independence the
03:50:01.920 limitation we have is that we have tremendous support in rural Alberta but
03:50:07.800 we haven't been able to get our message yet into the cities and so Tani and I
03:50:15.960 recognized sort of a need a gap and we created let Alberta decide so not so
03:50:22.860 much as to focus on those who've already concluded on their own that Alberta and
03:50:28.620 and our children will be better off in independent Alberta but to focus on those in the cities who
03:50:35.580 are not yet persuaded or just not engaged they're busy with their lives they're busy trying to afford
03:50:42.140 groceries they're busy worrying about the needs of their children and or they are engaged but
03:50:51.660 they haven't really had their mind open to the advantages so the whole focus of Let Alberta
03:50:57.500 decide is to really target those voters in helping them understand why the smartest best
03:51:05.740 most valuable thing they can do into on october 19th is to vote for option two
03:51:12.700 in support of independence and i think it's also great that both keith yourself as a constitutional
03:51:20.540 lawyer but also tanya as an educator and a farmer know the importance of knowledge and how important
03:51:26.300 it is to actually explain things thoroughly and through and i do see that with uh let alberta
03:51:31.420 decide and all the incredible job and work you've both been doing on educating the public because
03:51:36.700 as tanya was mentioning i think a lot of that fear is coming from the unknown and then well
03:51:41.260 what would happen and we continue to see all these questions raised also even within our own streams
03:51:46.060 and sometimes it is hard to try to answer them but as we build and as we are able to continue to
03:51:52.140 tell people well no this is what actually what an independent alberta would look like in your
03:51:56.700 opinion what would an inter in 20 10 20 years what would an independent alberta look like then
03:52:03.980 i think that an independent alberta would bring back that ability of self-determination and that
03:52:10.140 sovereignty is as just human beings that we have the ability to chart our own path in life and we
03:52:16.140 would not be dictated to by ottawa and their punitive policies on our industries and our
03:52:21.180 families and our communities, the overtaxation that we suffer from currently, that we actually
03:52:26.420 would be able to navigate a path forward based on Alberta values and the values of our communities
03:52:31.980 and our families. And that's what should be happening. We're a very large nation with varying
03:52:38.500 degrees of personalities and values and ways that we see things should be ran. And right now,
03:52:46.700 things are being ran from a place that is very far removed from the values of Albertans.
03:52:51.180 And we've seen Danielle Smith kind of throw around some numbers and then be interviewed
03:52:57.500 and then kind of walk those numbers back about, oh, those were back of the napkin estimates
03:53:03.040 and things like that.
03:53:04.040 I know you're working on these white papers and a lot of people are really excited about
03:53:07.400 them.
03:53:08.400 How are they going along and when are you expecting to kind of release them?
03:53:12.740 So about three or four months ago, I started a separate group called the Alberta Transition
03:53:17.580 Council.
03:53:18.580 And, you know, it's a group of really smart, experienced people who have achieved a lot in their life and are subject matter experts.
03:53:26.920 And the focus of the white paper is on detailing what, if Albertans decide to exercise their constitutional right of self-determination and independence as laid out by the 1998 Supreme Court Canada succession reference case, then what happens next?
03:53:44.620 And in particular, if Albertans do choose independence and resetting the relationship with the rest of Canada, how will life be different the day after the vote as the day before and the steps of Alberta transitioning from provincehood to nationhood?
03:54:04.100 So that's what it's about. And to answer questions about continuity of service, whether it's someone may have a trip planned with WestJet to Cancun and want to know that after the vote that they're still going to Cancun and we'll be able to assure them that they are.
03:54:21.920 um so that's what it's about and we're also going to look at the costing you know what's remarkable
03:54:28.120 about those numbers that the premier threw out and i hope she regrets it i suspect she does
03:54:33.720 because one of them was the debt now first of all the number is ridiculous that she used but just
03:54:38.200 whatever the number is you know the analogy i like to use is imagine i had a spouse and i don't i do
03:54:46.720 have a spouse but she doesn't have the problem i'm about to describe and those have met my wife
03:54:51.560 don't want to know that that i'm just using a hypothetical which is imagine she had a terrible 1.00
03:54:55.800 spending habit and she had this ability to go and get brand new credit cards every two weeks and max
03:55:00.440 them out and i say to my buddy you know i got to bring this to an end i can't do this anymore and
03:55:05.720 he goes you can't do that you'll have to pay off the bill right and it's like no i'm trying to stop
03:55:12.840 the bill from getting bigger so that's one of the points first of all it's not even clear we're going
03:55:17.560 owe the government any the Ottawa any money because we've sent over 300 billion dollars
03:55:25.560 since equalization has been in force more to Ottawa than we got back so um and there's other
03:55:33.400 issues about well if the money we sent to Ottawa in addition to the 300 billion helped by the new
03:55:42.360 new buildings that the federal government built don't we own 12 of that building so there's a
03:55:47.400 lot of adjusting that needs to be done and the most significant thing is when people are looking
03:55:53.480 at the cost of transitioning to a province we need to look at the benefits of transitioning
03:55:59.160 to a province because immediately right out of the gate we've got 25 billion dollars more
03:56:05.960 that we're not that we're sending to ottawa that we're not getting back that we'll have
03:56:09.320 and we'll also have ottawa's knee off of our neck of our economy where we can grow it to
03:56:16.040 supply the world because we have the third largest reserve of oil in the world and any other country
03:56:22.200 that has any comparable to us other than the dysfunction of venezuela has no income taxes
03:56:27.880 has free education and so on they prosper economically we don't because ottawa holds us
03:56:33.160 back i'm not worried about this math it's going to work out especially if you consider the benefits
03:56:39.880 and also speaking of money let's not forget to continue to raise money today but because we
03:56:43.880 are at a telethon and there is amazing tpas that are doing the hard work and are going to get us
03:56:48.520 i think to independence and i really do hope so and it is a hopeful movement and which is why we
03:56:53.720 decided to fully throw our backs behind it and support it because we we understand the value of
03:56:59.080 freedom not to steal from dennis comma but uh which is why once again go to albertatelethon.com
03:57:05.960 and don't forget to do that but also i wanted to ask uh what does the money that has been raised
03:57:11.240 indicate to you to both of you about the grassroots effort and support and the actual sentiment
03:57:16.360 within alberta and albertans well the grassroots movement is strong and we have a very solid base
03:57:23.800 and it's growing all the time i did a little bit of looking back into uh traditional telethons
03:57:29.080 because i kind of grew up watching like the country 105 caring for kids radiothon that
03:57:34.120 benefited the children's hospital and it said that since 2003 it raised 50 million dollars
03:57:40.040 and that was by people donating 10 25 or 100 at a time and not thinking that their contribution was
03:57:47.080 really going to make a huge difference but by having many people making small contributions
03:57:51.880 together we've built hospitals we've funded research we've changed lives in many areas of
03:57:57.480 our communities and absolutely those 10 25 or 100 can help us build a future alberta that we can be
03:58:04.120 very proud of so i'm very excited that this telethon is happening that john bolton took the
03:58:09.000 initiative to do this and everyone has joined in to do it i'm very grateful and and every
03:58:13.080 contribution helps us achieve our goals and just on that note if i could you know i was on the
03:58:19.880 ground in ottawa during the most successful fundraiser in canadian history which was the
03:58:25.640 freedom convoy that raised over 24 million dollars in three weeks and what was so significant about
03:58:33.240 that because i remember standing beside tamara leach on the ground in the war rooms there and
03:58:37.240 she's going oh my god we just went up by another million and what it was it was an opportunity
03:58:43.320 for canadians at that time to lay down a marker they couldn't be in ottawa they couldn't be on
03:58:49.080 the side of a highway but they could show their support there's a lot of albertans who are feeling
03:58:53.880 somewhat similar in the sense that um they're concerned about putting a lawn sign up some of
03:58:59.320 them right they're concerned about showing their outward support because of the extremist uh
03:59:05.320 approached by the stay in canada crew but sending a donation is a way they can put their marker down
03:59:11.480 just like donors did in the freedom convoy and they can say i support this i'm showing people
03:59:17.400 i support it and on that note i just got a note from our control room that uh let alberta decide
03:59:24.440 today alone has just passed over 38 000 in donations thank you thank you thank you we are
03:59:32.600 going to give you a return on that money like you could have never imagined we're going to win this
03:59:39.080 and that's amazing because right before we were about to go on it was at 30 so that's amazing
03:59:43.960 that everybody is uh and showing that support and that that care also for a cause that i guess many
03:59:50.040 would call or many do call the critics and the skeptics uh fringe or an uphill battle but how
03:59:55.000 would you respond to to that and especially given today what we're seeing well i wouldn't say that
04:00:01.400 it's fringe anymore maybe at the beginning it seemed a little bit fringe and we had that large
04:00:05.880 base that was very angry at the outcome of the federal election and quickly joined forces and
04:00:11.640 came together to start to combat this but now we've kind of elevated that conversation and it's
04:00:16.440 grown and i think that's what keith and i are very proud of doing with let alberta decide is
04:00:20.760 we're creating that space for the conversation to continue to grow and to reach into that undecided
04:00:25.880 category where we know that Albertans share a very common sentiment of being frustrated with
04:00:31.700 Ottawa and their punitive treatment of Alberta but not necessarily everyone is ready to make that
04:00:36.760 step to independence and then I'd also want to add that this first referendum to have a referendum
04:00:43.460 is not a binding referendum so if you if you vote option one in that you're voting for the status
04:00:50.560 quo. You're voting for nothing to change and for us to continue as per usual with the increasing
04:00:56.600 overreach by our federal government and the increasing punitive treatment of Ottawa to
04:01:01.220 Alberta. But option two gives a pathway for people that feel just disenfranchised with how Ottawa has
04:01:08.200 been treating us. And what a vote for option two does is it empowers our provincial government
04:01:13.660 with all the negotiation strength to be able to negotiate with Ottawa with that leverage and
04:01:19.880 position of strength that we've never had in the past so if you want to pursue more sovereignty
04:01:26.300 within or without Canada you have to vote option two I would implore you to vote that vote and then
04:01:32.660 it will be up to us to convince you that no let's take it a step further and look at what the
04:01:37.760 benefits are to Alberta standing on its own two feet and achieving independence well it seems like
04:01:43.520 there's two opportunities here to really send Ottawa a message today with a raising a large
04:01:49.140 amount of money to really push this thing over the finish line. And then on October 19th will
04:01:53.980 be the second opportunity to really send Ottawa a message. And when we get to that binding
04:01:58.600 referendum, I think there's going to be a big surprise of a lot of people that were pushed
04:02:03.340 out of their own country, like us, like conservatives across Canada, wanting to move to Alberta to
04:02:09.040 take a part of their country back and save Western values. Well, you know, on that point,
04:02:15.860 if I could. You know, the rest of Canada needs some tough love. They've been living beyond
04:02:25.400 the means. Alberta has been propping them up incredibly. I mean, which province has
04:02:32.060 a growing economy in Canada right now versus how the rest of them are declining? Alberta.
04:02:37.680 Which province has created the most amount of jobs? A report came out this week. 80,000
04:02:44.180 jobs were created in Alberta. Meta just announced a $13 billion investment in an AI center.
04:02:51.860 Other companies have announced over the past year record investments in Alberta. But Ottawa
04:02:59.580 behaves recklessly. The prime minister every week announces billions and billions more
04:03:06.580 going on to your credit card, your kids' credit card, your grandkids' credit card, and your
04:03:13.220 great grandkids credit card. Corey Morgan was talking earlier today about the trillions and
04:03:18.260 trillions in debt. That causes inflation. That causes workers who go to work and work really
04:03:26.160 hard. And each week, each month, that paycheck, even though the number stays the same, it buys
04:03:33.520 less and less and less. Their money becomes worth less over time. And nothing the federal
04:03:42.300 government's doing is changing that and they're going deeper and deeper into this debt cycle
04:03:48.460 and alberta has an opportunity to break free from that and start again and start from a foundation
04:03:55.900 of our young entrepreneurial population that tanya talks about our resource economy we've got um you
04:04:03.260 know we've got um we've got more agricultural highly productive agricultural land than most
04:04:09.100 countries in the world you know we've got the third largest reserve of oil in the world we have
04:04:13.180 a very high tech tech sector in our province we have an aviation and aerospace industry 0.55
04:04:20.540 we've got everything going for us but for ottawa holding us back and pursuing ideological agendas
04:04:28.140 at the expense of our children's future more and more albertans are waking up to that our goal what
04:04:33.740 we're using these dollars for is um is is we're running a very sophisticated professional campaign
04:04:41.100 some of which won't become manifest for some time because of its nature but uh we're covering every
04:04:47.340 aspect of traditional campaigning and taking advantage of the latest technologies and tools
04:04:52.860 and recognizing the fact that just about everybody is on these all day getting their information from
04:04:59.340 this thing exactly and i also think you will you raise excellent points there but also previously
04:05:05.720 you raised that people might be skeptical or scared to show support for example and i think
04:05:10.020 that is in it within itself supporting something like alberta independence and being afraid to do
04:05:14.720 so should tell us something about the state of uh well canada at least but alberta as well
04:05:20.660 within inside alberta but albertans also have really strong values that we see every day the
04:05:26.440 hard work the resilience the responsibility so how can those be leveraged to actually achieve
04:05:31.460 independence sorry did you want to go keith or do you want me to go for it tanya well i think that
04:05:40.780 we have to just realize that we're not uh some some group that doesn't have identity and that's
04:05:47.080 what is often being labeled on us that we don't have common values or or something that's easily
04:05:51.940 identifiable but Albertans absolutely do and we all want to pursue better for our communities
04:05:58.660 our families we want to achieve prosperity we want to have increased sovereignty and
04:06:03.460 self-determination over our own lives and I think to do that we have to get behind
04:06:08.160 a process that is actually enabling us to do that and the conversation in the past has been very
04:06:15.060 limited in how we can actually achieve that and now we're trying to bring that conversation to
04:06:19.160 the forefront that it is normal to talk about Alberta's future and Alberta's path and what we
04:06:24.440 want to achieve for Alberta. And we might disagree on some of the steps that we take on it, but we
04:06:29.600 absolutely are united in the things that we want for Alberta. And that's why I think that this path
04:06:34.700 to independence is actually a unifying concept. And some of the media or different characters might
04:06:40.960 try to make you think otherwise of it, but it is unifying to pursue self-determination and
04:06:45.820 prosperity for your family, your communities, and your province. So if we bring that conversation
04:06:50.440 and make it more normal to talk about it and engage people in that conversation, I think that
04:06:55.020 we can achieve that. And after October 19th, once we do send Ottawa a message and it's clear that
04:07:02.060 Alberta does want its independence, what do you think is an acceptable or appropriate timeline
04:07:06.480 for the binding referendum to take place in? I think a completely achievable timeline for the
04:07:14.340 binding referendum is in February or March of 2027.
04:07:18.980 I think that'll provide ample time for campaigning,
04:07:27.260 but also too, we may have a ruling
04:07:29.720 from the Alberta Court of Appeal
04:07:32.780 about this strange ruling from Justice Davidson
04:07:36.440 that we had about our petition launched by Stay Free Alberta.
04:07:41.160 And it relates specifically to the concept
04:07:43.580 that prior to the Alberta government making a policy
04:07:47.720 or legislative decision,
04:07:48.960 it's supposed to consult with First Nations. 0.52
04:07:51.400 That just turns the whole concept of our democracy 0.99
04:07:54.560 absolutely on its head.
04:07:56.960 There is no precedent for that
04:07:58.460 in any Supreme Court of Canada or other decision.
04:08:01.340 Yes, there's a duty to consult,
04:08:03.080 but that's all, it's a duty to consult.
04:08:05.820 So what's remarkable too,
04:08:08.020 is that as Sheila Gunn-Reed pointed out today,
04:08:11.780 ultimate form of consultation is giving every one of your first nation members the right to vote
04:08:17.620 and they can exercise it by an x and choose where they put it but more to the point of your question
04:08:24.420 i would say this we're either going to have a court ruling saying that the obstacle for
04:08:28.900 the alberta government holding an up down vote on stay leave is resolved or if it's not it'll
04:08:36.420 be open to the government of Alberta to hold its nose and consult and go and meet with each of the
04:08:43.060 first nations and rent a town hall and say okay hey guys in February or March there's going to
04:08:49.140 be a vote and each of you get to decide okay check mark so I don't I think we can get around
04:08:58.180 the politics of the legalities because it really is a political stunt wrapped in the pretext of
04:09:07.940 law this most recent decision from the court of king's bench and even if we don't have closure
04:09:12.500 from the courts it's open for the alberta government to hold its nose do a consultation
04:09:18.500 even though it doesn't think it's required to to clear the way for true democracy for them
04:09:24.180 the most direct form of bureaucracy to allow Albertans to choose their future
04:09:28.420 through an up-down vote on independence in February or March of 2027.
04:09:34.180 And just quickly, as we wrap up, because we do have to be out by five, I have a quick question
04:09:39.460 for both of you, but it might be a long answer. What gives you hope in Alberta right now? What
04:09:44.020 specific thing gives you hope today, maybe? Go ahead, Tanya. What gives me hope, I guess,
04:09:50.740 is that we are actually being asked the most important question in Alberta's history.
04:09:56.200 And there have been, like I said before, decades and decades of efforts
04:09:59.620 by thousands and thousands of people to lead us to this referendum
04:10:03.240 for a referendum question on October 19th.
04:10:06.340 And I hope that when Albertans go into that voting booth
04:10:11.160 and they're about to check that ballot with their ex,
04:10:15.240 they realize the significance of what they are doing.
04:10:18.580 that Alberta doesn't need a handful of heroes right now,
04:10:22.680 but what we do need is we need hundreds of thousands of Albertans
04:10:25.220 willing to do one small thing,
04:10:27.720 and that is to mark that X with conviction,
04:10:30.940 with being informed and engaged in this whole process
04:10:33.860 and making sure that they stand beside their decision.
04:10:36.800 So knowing Albertans and knowing their grit and tenacity,
04:10:40.880 I feel very confident that they will look into this
04:10:44.540 and will engage in this conversation with us
04:10:46.460 and we'll mark that X on that ballot on referendum day with great conviction and we will be very
04:10:52.060 successful in the outcome. And we usually have one last question and maybe I'll ask it to Keith
04:10:57.760 and it's a question I hope a lot of people start asking themselves in Alberta because I think when
04:11:02.040 they ask them that question that will lead them to independence and that is what does freedom mean
04:11:06.620 to you? Well freedom means to me being able to wake up in the morning and choose what I can do
04:11:16.140 to lead the best life
04:11:18.660 and to help those around me
04:11:21.720 achieve their potential
04:11:23.200 and be happy.
04:11:26.960 And to continue to do so,
04:11:28.620 we do have to continue to go to
04:11:30.400 albertatelethon.com.
04:11:31.980 Thank you so much, Keith and Tanya,
04:11:34.000 for allowing us to have a shorter interview,
04:11:36.820 but hopefully we can repeat it.
04:11:38.180 And it's an honor to be able to speak to you as well
04:11:40.520 because I think what Let Alberta Decide is doing
04:11:42.920 and all the other amazing third-party advertisers are doing
04:11:45.940 is incredibly important and again not just for maybe even people in alberta but to show
04:11:50.420 also the world not just canada what is possible and what freedom does mean yeah absolutely and i
04:11:56.100 will say um if you can afford to donate today um now is the time to really help push this thing
04:12:02.500 over the line on october 19th as well as if people are maybe outside of the country and can't donate
04:12:08.740 because it's only for people with inside of alberta there is a list of content creators from
04:12:13.460 the unacceptable fringe and others we really need to build up our media presence not only
04:12:18.660 for this october 19th but to go into the binding referendum as well and if i just add that i just
04:12:25.060 got an update from our control room we just topped forty thousand dollars oh thank you everyone look
04:12:30.900 at this momentum i think we're gonna win i know we're gonna win we have all of our stars are
04:12:36.420 aligned uh we've got a legal pathway we have the resources of people and spirit we have the momentum
04:12:44.900 in politics momentum is everything and we're going to keep that momentum building thanks to you
04:12:49.780 thank you guys thank you thank you
04:12:54.980 and for now i guess i will continue to read hi i'm john bolton and we're here with angela tabak 0.99
04:13:01.220 kathy flat let alberta decide which again 40 000 which is amazing pathway to independence the
04:13:06.340 levine show alberta women for independence alberta's choice united alberta flags and
04:13:11.220 stay free alberta and again you can always go right now to donate to albertatelethon.com
04:13:16.580 and i believe we have coming up uh chris scott with dennis comma and again you were able are
04:13:21.380 able i don't know if still but go to uh you can send an email with a question to let's go alberta
04:13:26.900 one at gmail.com yeah absolutely and they are looking for more questions so if you have any
04:13:31.940 questions the spicier the better i think they're going to answer them all so yes and i will say
04:13:37.860 there are a lot of people outside of alberta that are supporting alberta independence as well 0.86
04:13:42.900 they've felt like they were pushed outside of their own country and there was not
04:13:47.380 anything like alberta independence going at the time so i know we have a lot of people watching
04:13:52.340 from the philippines the united states mexico on a daily basis exactly i'm waiting to know if we're
04:14:00.740 on or off but uh again it's amazing that also people have stayed on for the telethon as well
04:14:05.860 and are watching it and are watching it again it's not just from alberta but i think a lot of people
04:14:10.420 even within our own channel and and within people that talk to us are interested in what's going on
04:14:15.540 in alberta because once again it does show how what grassroots movements can also do and what
04:14:21.220 actual democracy can also do well absolutely it was kind of funny that um i don't know the
04:14:26.260 government shut it off but the stream suddenly ended on the same day bill nine is coming into
04:14:31.780 effect yeah uh thank god for elon musk and starlink i guess hopefully we were able to connect again
04:14:37.300 hopefully they're not going to uh figure that's foreign interference there
04:14:43.780 i'm waiting to run it off but uh as we continue i guess um
04:14:48.100 um well we still have tanya on i can continue to ask questions um if you don't mind yeah continue
04:14:55.840 to continue to ask until they just cut us off i guess yes i will then uh i wanted to ask uh for
04:15:02.920 younger uh people that are looking towards alberta independence but are maybe also still skeptical or
04:15:08.380 are unsure uh which way they should go or what it would mean for them in their future what would you
04:15:13.600 tell younger skeptical people because i think we are missing a bit of the younger crowd as well
04:15:19.120 or at least for them to show up well i think a lot of the younger crowd is actually more engaged than
04:15:25.140 you realize but lots of activities we've done in the past have been town halls and that
04:15:30.100 traditionally happens with an older age group because that is part of their culture right
04:15:35.100 before telephones and cell phones like we used to have to go to our town hall to our local community
04:15:40.100 hall to engage and find out the local news so lots of people attending those are an older crowd but
04:15:45.220 the younger crowd is very engaged on social media and you can see that through politics
04:15:49.940 and tick tock in different places they're engaged but i guess that they need to look forward to their
04:15:56.740 futures and be very realistic with what their timelines are things and what the the monetary
04:16:03.380 policies are going to look like and what that can allow them to afford i believe the average age
04:16:08.660 in canada now is over 40 years old for being able to purchase your first home whereas 20 years ago
04:16:15.860 that age was 24. so right there that's a huge deterrent from the path that canada is on when
04:16:23.460 you take home your paycheck and you look at how much comes off with taxes when you look at your
04:16:27.380 buying power for the money that you do take home and what it's able to purchase at the grocery
04:16:31.860 store or the gas station because of all the hidden layers of taxation in there it's pretty disturbing
04:16:37.620 and i i don't want that for my children and as keith has said too he doesn't want that for his
04:16:41.380 children we want better for all the future generations of albertans so there's quite a
04:16:45.700 few things that they can look at going forwards and maybe start to question huh is there a better
04:16:50.260 pathway out of this and maybe we should engage in the conversation and and here are some of
04:16:54.260 the merits of a sovereign alberta well and i will say uh on october 19th i hope young people really
04:17:00.660 come out and realize realize this is an opportunity to send ottawa a message because i know when the
04:17:05.300 binding referendum comes out that's one vote that changes the rest of your life so i think you're
04:17:10.100 going to have a groundswell of young people come out from that binding referendum i really hope
04:17:14.420 they realize now that october 19th is an opportunity to really send ottawa a message
04:17:20.420 for the direction they're kind of going right now exactly do you have another question there yes
04:17:27.780 uh and the way i always put it is uh trying to also incentivize younger people to say this is a
04:17:33.460 literally historic moment where you get to be able to have your voice heard but
04:17:38.280 then also once Alberta becomes independent being able to almost look
04:17:42.960 at how to do governance and form governance and continue to be engaged
04:17:47.500 which at least as a young person myself when I was living in Canada I didn't
04:17:51.800 feel like I had that opportunity well this is a really easy thing for them to
04:17:56.540 act on right like we're not calling on young people to join a political party
04:18:01.740 we're not asking them to come to weekly meetings. We're asking them to vote once. Well, twice,
04:18:08.040 I guess. The first vote in October and then the one that follows. And I was interviewed by a lot
04:18:13.920 of the legacy media after the pipeline announcements and all the fanfare about the announcements of
04:18:18.240 announcements, because that's all they are is announcements. They're nothing more than real
04:18:22.820 things. They're not real things. I said to the reporter, I said, one of them, I said, so now
04:18:29.720 with the announcement about the announcement of a pipeline is a 21-year-old's rent going to go down
04:18:35.040 is a 21-year-old who goes to a grocery store and looks at a jar of pickles and goes someday I'm
04:18:41.580 going to be able to afford that is that going to change when he looks at his or her paycheck
04:18:46.020 and sees how hard they work and what the top number is and they see what the bottom number
04:18:51.020 is is that going to change no none of those things are going to change so I don't think
04:18:56.740 I think reality is real for all of us and what our job is to cause young people and people and I
04:19:08.360 actually don't think that's the toughest demographic I think our toughest demographic
04:19:11.560 is a couple in their late 30s mid 40s early 40s both have fairly good jobs and they got two kids
04:19:22.040 in a house and two cars and their kids are from eight to 12 years old. That's going to be our
04:19:27.320 toughest demographic to crack because they're going to go, oh, Mike's not so bad for me. Why 1.00
04:19:31.400 should it change? So we're really focused on targeting them as well to help them understand
04:19:36.820 the dark path Canada is on and the responsibility for their children and what opportunity could come
04:19:43.780 to Alberta and their children and future grandchildren through supporting independence.
04:19:49.180 and i think that's a perfect uh note to end on so thank you so much keith wilson and tanya
04:19:54.980 clements once again would love to continue to talk to you for a longer time hopefully soon
04:19:59.620 and just found that we work really well together and we have just stuck with the message of alberta
04:20:05.940 independence for six years now six years together yeah it kind of works out nicely because we're in
04:20:11.100 calgary right now it's kind of neat in the middle right that's right this is fantastic yeah obviously
04:20:15.380 we've got your signs hold it up there people are i've got this out on front of my house right now
04:20:19.920 i'm excited i've got now six signs uh other people have 12 i got to get up to 12 but you're doing
04:20:25.560 signs and you're talking to people that's what you're doing so tell us a little bit about the
04:20:29.940 talks right now because we know we love your sign shall i talk about that i'll talk about the talks
04:20:36.360 sure so we're we for over a year now have just been doing home meetings with people
04:20:40.380 helping predominantly women but then the guys love the conversation too so they join in understand
04:20:44.800 why we need to be our own province and we thought well why fix what's not broke we're just going to
04:20:49.640 continue on but now as a tpa so that's what we've done and it's actually exploded our calendars are
04:20:55.580 filling up with people that want to have us over and so we're calling it politics on the patio
04:21:00.180 because it's summertime and just have us over six seven eight nine ten thirty people it doesn't
04:21:05.880 matter to us and we walk people through the history of how alberta became a province set
04:21:11.060 some ground as to why our government structure sucks the way that it does. And then why we need
04:21:18.060 to vote yes to all of these questions and yes to option two. Well, you know, the difficulty I think
04:21:22.440 that's happened through this process, even through the petition process, is finding people sitting
04:21:28.380 on the fence. Are you meeting up with some of those people, Angela? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And
04:21:33.000 it really comes from, you know, people who are already there inviting their family and their
04:21:38.540 friends to come. It's a very casual, open discussion. Nothing is being shoved down
04:21:44.060 anyone's throats. And it's an opportunity to just kind of go back and forth with the ideas,
04:21:49.520 some of the concerns that people might have. And it allows us to be able to address them in a way
04:21:54.980 that is very non-confrontational. We're building community. Our whole focus has been education and
04:22:02.400 building community. And so that's what we're continuing to do with the TPA. And it's working
04:22:07.300 out really great we're in kind of a noisy room right now we're at the derek fildebrandt and
04:22:11.860 duane bratt debate yeah and and for the most part it was a pretty friendly thing it's almost radical
04:22:18.420 now to have a a friendly conversation but that's what you're trying to do isn't it exactly that's
04:22:23.420 exactly what we're doing and it's working as angela said we we are not combative in these
04:22:28.760 meetings we're not we're not putting anybody down we're not there's nothing like that at all
04:22:34.020 It's just, well, what are your concerns?
04:22:35.720 And let's see if I have an answer.
04:22:36.860 And if I don't, well, then I don't.
04:22:38.960 But let's see what you have to say and how come.
04:22:41.460 Well, congratulations on your success.
04:22:43.760 Your website, tell people what it is.
04:22:46.540 It's very long.
04:22:48.160 Okay.
04:22:48.760 Go to the QR code.
04:22:49.780 Go to the QR code.
04:22:50.720 It's abwomensindependencenetwork.com.
04:22:55.020 Okay.
04:22:55.600 And if you would like to support Angela and Kathy on the telethon,
04:23:00.460 Go to albertatelethon.com and click on their link.
04:23:30.460 you talked about their children and the mess we're living in from the back row of the hall
04:23:39.120 to the front row of the fight you said if they're gonna hear us it's gonna be tonight
04:23:46.600 come on let's go so that's gonna be the battle cry for our movement let's go you came to sign
04:23:55.580 On the freedom line
04:23:58.260 Ink on paper
04:24:01.380 Hearts on fire
04:24:03.660 Every name like gasoline
04:24:07.400 Kicking up that rebel choir
04:24:10.080 Let me shake your hand
04:24:11.940 Thank you for your time
04:24:14.540 Fire the voices
04:24:17.340 Strong and true
04:24:19.940 You stand up for Alberta
04:24:23.700 this one's for you i feel like i'm with friends here yeah that's exactly correct that's what the
04:24:31.600 whole thing with those all these events are for people understand that they're part of a group
04:24:35.500 of like-minded people that think and have the same ambitions and goals as they have
04:24:39.700 you stare down that lens in your studio light coffee gone cold face pale from the night
04:24:49.720 From the dark hours to the evening show
04:24:55.100 You hit go live and refused to let go
04:25:00.500 Slow roll down from Edmonton, high beams cutting through
04:25:05.900 Northbound up from Calgary, every small town waiting on you
04:25:11.700 Truck stop, coffee cooling between petitions in the rain
04:25:19.720 we're live i heard max say we're live does that mean we're live
04:25:25.440 is that what's going on here yep what are we supposed to be doing i was actually just driving
04:25:30.940 down uh a back street in calgary i was lost and i saw uh an alberta flag and i was like hey that
04:25:37.240 seems kind of cool and i ended up in this seat yeah exactly who are you yeah i'm dennis calvin
04:25:42.560 oh i'm chris scott nice to meet you hey i've heard your name before oh i've heard your name
04:25:45.560 before as well. Good cafe.
04:25:47.420 You know my cafe?
04:25:48.620 I've heard of it.
04:25:49.340 Oh, well, I know your value of freedom.
04:25:52.640 Ah, have you read it?
04:25:54.300 I've read most of it, yeah.
04:25:55.380 And I actually, I even ran it through AI.
04:25:58.200 I ran it through Grok.
04:25:59.080 I ran it through Claude AI.
04:26:01.700 And I said, be really critical of this
04:26:03.860 and find all the mistakes so I can call
04:26:05.980 these guys and say, hey, you didn't do it.
04:26:07.660 Well, and that never happened.
04:26:10.140 No, it's reasonably solid on the number side.
04:26:13.720 We're going to do an updated version pretty quick once you get the transition plan done.
04:26:18.580 And I don't know if Keith talked about that earlier, but I'm a co-lead with him on building that transition plan.
04:26:24.180 Okay.
04:26:24.660 And once we get that pulled together, which is a bit of an effort, there's somewhere around 40 people engaged in it right now.
04:26:30.980 We've got 20 subject areas to deal with, pulling it together, and hope to release it by the end of July.
04:26:35.360 But that'll redo the transition elements in the value of freedom because we'll have more accurate numbers, more accurate processes, and so forth.
04:26:42.720 so we can say okay transition will really cost us roughly this much that's awesome and then on the
04:26:48.080 actually doing it part we're getting we have a bunch of subject matter experts guys who know
04:26:53.400 their area like whether it be air traffic control or oil and gas or whatever that are actually
04:26:59.100 saying okay this is how we would transition and they're speaking from position of knowledge so
04:27:03.120 that's all coming in the next small number of months that's pretty cool so before we get more
04:27:07.620 into that uh i should do an introduction and i'm sorry folks for the people that are watching my
04:27:12.160 stream it seems as though there's always technical issues and the camera shows up that it's totally
04:27:19.080 fine and when I try and put it on the stream it's not there so if you're watching my stream and you
04:27:25.660 can't see me or you can't hear me head over to freedomcalendar.net or John Bolton's page I think
04:27:31.440 it's back up or I noticed our the young ladies Madison Macy Holmes they have it streaming on
04:27:36.960 their YouTube as well. So you can find it elsewhere. So my name is Christopher Scott.
04:27:41.880 I'm the owner of the Whistle Stop Cafe in Mira, Alberta. And I'm also, I just happened to
04:27:46.460 accidentally find myself as the leader of another, I don't want to say freedom minded, although we
04:27:52.820 are freedom minded, another organization that's dedicated to having conversations with Albertans.
04:27:59.040 So the most important thing that I've realized over the last six years is that people aren't
04:28:06.620 talking to each other and we're making decisions on our governance on legislation those types of
04:28:13.500 things and we don't have all the facts right right most of the time and i i think it's most of the
04:28:19.680 time people are making decisions and voting based on what somebody else said and they fail to
04:28:24.700 actually dig into it and listen especially to the other side so let's talk alberta exists specifically
04:28:30.660 to facilitate the conversation between our conversation amongst Albertans about Alberta's
04:28:37.340 future. And that's extremely important. It's critical right now because we're going to be
04:28:42.940 asked a question on self-determination, right? And it's not a constitutionally binding toothed
04:28:48.380 question. It's a question that kind of opens the broader conversation, but it's a question
04:28:54.500 nonetheless. Yes, indeed. And I believe that we have a responsibility to learn as much as we can.
04:28:58.940 So when we go into that referendum, we make the best decision possible for Alberta.
04:29:04.620 So that's who I am and why I'm here.
04:29:08.440 And where did you come from, Dennis?
04:29:11.240 You just kind of popped up and then I saw the value of freedom and I never heard your name before.
04:29:15.720 So I have been following politics my whole life.
04:29:19.760 I've actually been seeing how Canada is failing for, I'm going to say, at least 15 years.
04:29:26.860 And my personal plan was to say, okay, this country is not working.
04:29:30.260 Let me go elsewhere.
04:29:32.060 And then I saw Pierre Polieva come up.
04:29:34.340 And I thought, okay, we have a chance.
04:29:35.960 We have a new leader.
04:29:37.000 He sounds pretty good.
04:29:38.260 Seems to have a lot of the right ideas.
04:29:40.060 You can really eat an apple.
04:29:40.880 You can really eat an apple and speak at the same time.
04:29:43.440 That's the critical part.
04:29:44.920 And I thought, well, we have a chance.
04:29:47.060 Then the election came by.
04:29:48.940 And then before literally it reached the Manitoba border, it was done.
04:29:54.780 Done and dusted.
04:29:55.880 There was no way.
04:29:57.380 And I was very, very angry.
04:29:58.980 So I happened to go on X at that time.
04:30:01.300 I saw Jeff Rath's posts and I thought, well, this guy seems interesting.
04:30:05.680 So I pinged him and said, hey, you know, need any help?
04:30:08.620 Like, maybe I can help out.
04:30:10.460 He and I got on the phone and he said, well, can you write a business plan?
04:30:14.100 Well, heavens, I spent 47 years in business, probably written 100 of the wretched things of various sizes.
04:30:19.780 So I said, sure, I'll give it a shot.
04:30:21.040 So we worked on that for about six weeks.
04:30:23.840 and I did a lot of the analytics.
04:30:26.340 Jeff did a fair trunk of the policy elements
04:30:28.680 and we pulled it together and published it
04:30:31.060 and that's where it came from.
04:30:32.840 And then one thing led to another.
04:30:33.820 Then people said, oh, would you mind coming
04:30:34.960 and talk about it?
04:30:36.100 Oh, by the way, would you help with the Constitution?
04:30:38.220 Oh, by the way.
04:30:39.160 And next thing you know, I'm sitting here
04:30:40.260 in this studio talking to you.
04:30:42.820 That's, well, I mean, one day I'm getting
04:30:46.200 out of the oil patch because I was sick
04:30:48.840 of the government interfering with my career,
04:30:51.740 with my business.
04:30:52.280 and I bought a restaurant in July 2019 not the right time to be free of government interference
04:30:58.880 restaurant and next thing you know I'm speaking at hundreds of town halls across Alberta on the
04:31:05.440 topic of Alberta sovereignty so life has a an interesting way of you know throwing these
04:31:10.800 curveballs at you and you know they say you know they disabled the best laid plans right
04:31:16.120 so I never planned for any of this but here I am and what a privilege it is to be here and in the
04:31:20.640 midst of this conversation. I can't think of a more important conversation. So I think the theme
04:31:26.240 of this telethon is we're trying to raise awareness and raise support for the conversation
04:31:33.180 around Alberta independence. Now, there are a number of third-party advertisers that the telethon
04:31:39.100 itself is supporting. As far as I know, I don't believe they're working together. This is something
04:31:43.840 that John put on to try and get things public because that's what he does. So the goal here
04:31:49.880 is to encourage people to donate to the TPAs.
04:31:53.580 And I'm sure you've already heard it, folks,
04:31:55.040 but if you haven't, there is a contribution limit.
04:31:58.500 There's a $5,000 contribution limit
04:32:00.340 for everybody donating to a TPA.
04:32:02.520 I believe your corporation can also donate
04:32:04.660 up to $5,000.
04:32:06.880 So you should be spreading it around as best you can.
04:32:12.220 And I would encourage you,
04:32:13.160 if you're a Forever Canadian supporter
04:32:14.540 and you're watching this telethon,
04:32:16.260 by all means, contribute to your favorite TPA,
04:32:18.840 which may be the Forever Canadian TPA.
04:32:22.060 Now, my organization is different.
04:32:24.540 We're not a third-party advertiser.
04:32:26.120 Okay.
04:32:26.560 And there's a very specific reason for that.
04:32:29.060 The Elections Finance Act has a carve-out in it
04:32:33.540 that allows people to express themselves for political purpose.
04:32:36.700 And that's what we're doing.
04:32:37.640 We're facilitating town halls, open conversation.
04:32:40.760 We invite people from both sides.
04:32:42.000 Although, because I'm very vocal about my position,
04:32:45.260 it's very rare that somebody that opposes me shows up but i wish they would because if you know we're
04:32:52.420 going to be asked this question i want to make the best decision and if they can tell me why
04:32:56.700 their position is better than mine i need to hear that yes because i want to make the best decision
04:33:01.440 so i would love for the front row to be filled with people who oppose um oppose my position
04:33:07.080 so what we're going to do and i'm not exactly sure how the logistics of this is going to work i guess
04:33:12.560 we're going to have to rely on some of the folks in the back end.
04:33:15.700 But I have a little bit of a contribution limit left
04:33:18.020 for my personal TPA contributions.
04:33:21.040 I donated $1,000 to Cory Morgan's TPA.
04:33:24.460 And so that means I have $4,000 left that I can donate.
04:33:27.820 What I'm going to do is during this portion of the telethon,
04:33:32.300 the top three TPAs that people donate to,
04:33:37.060 I'm going to match that up to my contribution limit.
04:33:39.480 So it's like $1,000.
04:33:42.560 $600 or something like that, but the top three.
04:33:45.340 So folks, now's the time you're going to maximize the impact
04:33:51.320 and the input to those people that you want to support
04:33:54.600 by leveraging mine as well.
04:33:57.680 And if you want to support the work Let's Talk Alberta is doing,
04:34:01.720 you can be from anywhere.
04:34:02.920 You have no contribution limits.
04:34:04.660 You can donate as much as you want.
04:34:06.580 As a matter of fact, we had a donor fund us with a nest egg
04:34:10.620 of $95,000 a few days ago.
04:34:12.560 which allows us to go and book town halls and do all sorts of things.
04:34:16.100 And people are going to see a rolling billboard within the next few weeks.
04:34:20.100 And it's going to be a lot awesomer than the Forever Canadian Unity mobile.
04:34:25.420 So you can look forward to that.
04:34:26.960 So yeah.
04:34:27.920 A nicer motorhome.
04:34:28.620 Yeah.
04:34:29.080 A nicer motorhome.
04:34:30.000 Yeah.
04:34:30.300 It's big.
04:34:30.980 It's 40 feet.
04:34:31.640 It's a diesel pusher.
04:34:32.720 It's an Albertan mobile, rolling coal.
04:34:36.260 And it's going to be an absolutely fantastic expression of a I love Alberta.
04:34:41.000 And I want to have this conversation.
04:34:42.560 So donate and donate often, but don't exceed your limits.
04:34:46.300 And if you're from outside of Alberta, don't donate to a TPA.
04:34:50.260 You're not allowed, but you can donate to Let's Talk Alberta and we will be good stewards of your donation and maximize its impact.
04:34:58.160 Now that that's out of the way, is there anything in particular you wanted to talk about, Dennis?
04:35:03.300 Because all I really wanted to do is I wanted to come on and just answer questions.
04:35:07.180 We've been doing that for months and I have fun doing it.
04:35:09.520 So we can talk about whatever you want and then we'll do that.
04:35:11.380 Well, there's a couple of things I wouldn't mind talking about.
04:35:13.520 And first of all is I've been co-leading with Keith Wilson,
04:35:17.560 the development of the transition plan.
04:35:19.960 And I want to make clear a couple of things about it is people think the
04:35:24.680 transition plan is setting long-term policy for the country of Alberta and
04:35:30.020 deciding how we will run things and how taxes will work and form a government
04:35:35.440 and so forth. And that is not true.
04:35:38.000 All those things are in the hands of the future legislature.
04:35:41.980 Deciding how taxes are done, deciding what constitution we should use, deciding, you know, what kind of military do we need are all things to be done by the people of Alberta through their elected legislature once we are an independent country.
04:35:58.440 So all the transition plan is doing is covering that period of time from when we win the referendum until such time as that legislature is in place.
04:36:08.660 Think of it more like scaffolding or temporary supports than a long-term plan.
04:36:13.740 So all we're saying is, okay, how do you handle policing until the legislature can decide what the long-term policing model is?
04:36:22.280 Now, things have to be done.
04:36:24.000 We have to, of course, defend the borders, protect the borders, at least keep track of who's in.
04:36:28.100 We have to deal with how do we collect taxes in the interim. 0.70
04:36:32.320 We have to deal with things like what do we do about a military, you know, to cover that period of time.
04:36:37.240 So that's what we're building right now.
04:36:39.500 I said a few minutes earlier that we're developing it with a bunch of people who know what they're talking about and is being pulled together as we speak.
04:36:47.140 It's fairly big and meaty.
04:36:48.780 I'd say it's about 300 or 400 pages at this point.
04:36:51.760 And we plan on releasing it roughly the end of July or as soon as close to that as we can possibly get.
04:36:58.540 And then people can answer the question that follows after the value of freedom.
04:37:03.280 Value of freedom was, is the country of Alberta a fiscally, a financially viable place?
04:37:08.260 Short answer, yes, it is.
04:37:10.060 Second question is, okay, so we will be financially viable.
04:37:14.080 How do we get from where we are now, a province embedded in Canada with a lot of services that are not being done by our own people,
04:37:22.580 to the place where we are doing all those services and operating as an independent country recognized by the rest of the world
04:37:29.180 and be able to do things like, okay, we need a passport.
04:37:32.380 How do I get an Alberta passport if we offer such things?
04:37:36.280 So that's the thing we're building now.
04:37:37.980 And that's what we want to have ready by the end of July.
04:37:41.040 I'm glad you brought that up because there is a lot of confusion around that.
04:37:44.000 I've heard a comment from some people saying,
04:37:45.920 hey, you know, how come we're not involved in these conversations?
04:37:47.980 And the answer to that is because we have no idea about any of those things.
04:37:51.700 Like I have no idea how to transfer the logistics of operating an international airport
04:37:57.880 from, you know, one jurisdiction to the next.
04:38:00.020 I have no idea how to manage moving, you know, corporate tax liability from one structure into another and making sure all those things are smooth.
04:38:09.340 But there are a lot of experts that can do those things.
04:38:11.700 And I will point out, and I don't know if this was included in some of your stuff, but this isn't much, this isn't new.
04:38:17.660 There's a province that's been doing this for 60 years and that's Quebec.
04:38:20.520 And they have a ton of research and information on these things.
04:38:23.580 Is that correct?
04:38:24.180 Well, every service we want to take over is currently operated by Canada.
04:38:28.340 Right.
04:38:28.560 Now, they're not filled full of rocket scientists and brain surgeons.
04:38:32.620 They're filled with normal human beings.
04:38:34.500 That can't be.
04:38:34.860 Yeah, well, it's hard to believe, but some of them actually maybe even don't reach that level.
04:38:39.520 Anyway, so none of these are new to world.
04:38:42.760 None of these are new to country.
04:38:44.480 And what we're doing is just replicating them in the best possible way.
04:38:47.860 So it's not hard to do.
04:38:50.620 I'm going to pick an example.
04:38:51.780 So someone said to me, well, passports are so hard to produce.
04:38:55.380 their their fancy little booklet you know digital chips in them and so on and so forth so i got
04:39:00.100 online did some searching turns out the government of nepal just signed a deal with a company in
04:39:06.180 germany to produce passports for seven dollars a booklet oh you give them a picture address you
04:39:14.020 know the relevant information which we have to do please have to check you send it to this company
04:39:18.980 seven bucks later they give you a passport and turn around i guess is about a week or two so
04:39:23.700 So we can literally do that for seven bucks a passport.
04:39:26.780 Now, Government of Canada does it much more expensively,
04:39:29.380 but I think we can grab services like that
04:39:31.720 and do it quite quickly.
04:39:32.820 That problem gets solved.
04:39:34.020 So there are ways you can optimize and streamline
04:39:36.160 without doing crazy stuff,
04:39:38.620 without taking many years
04:39:40.060 and millions and billions of dollars.
04:39:42.560 We can just grab stuff that's available to us,
04:39:44.940 find the best practice in the world,
04:39:46.840 adopt it as far as we can,
04:39:48.080 and that'll cover us till the legislature takes over.
04:39:51.020 And we have some hindsight
04:39:51.960 and we have some historical examples to look at.
04:39:54.600 I mean, I was doing some Googling a few weeks back
04:39:57.460 and I found that since 1990,
04:39:58.740 there's 38 new nations that have formed.
04:40:00.360 Yes.
04:40:00.700 That's 38 new nations that have had to do all these things.
04:40:03.180 It's not rocket science.
04:40:04.320 It's not impossible.
04:40:05.680 It's not even really that much of an obstacle.
04:40:07.360 Like this is just a, it's an administrative task.
04:40:10.380 Yes.
04:40:10.560 We do administrative tasks all the time.
04:40:12.220 Well, and I spent my career
04:40:13.600 working in large scale projects
04:40:15.780 where you've got a million things to do
04:40:17.900 and you've got a bunch of people working on them.
04:40:19.420 the problem is not usually that any task is rocket science.
04:40:23.120 The problem is you just have so many tasks to track and try and get done
04:40:27.060 in a short period of time in a coordinated fashion.
04:40:30.260 Well, that problem is known.
04:40:31.800 Like I've done it, been there, done that.
04:40:33.500 And it's no fun sometimes, but you can get it done and it's pretty straightforward.
04:40:37.240 And countries, I just was talking with John Bolton a minute ago,
04:40:40.640 a question that came up on email was, how long will it take?
04:40:45.420 So I looked up the Czechoslovakian split.
04:40:47.340 They took six months.
04:40:49.420 I think there's no reason why our separation from Canada towards independence will take longer than a year.
04:40:59.900 Well, I mean, there's lots of evidence to support that claim.
04:41:02.780 Exactly.
04:41:03.240 It hasn't taken other countries, you know, decades to do it.
04:41:05.400 Why would it take us that?
04:41:06.920 Speaking of questions, if John's watching, you're going to have to come in and unlock your laptop because I didn't move the cursor around.
04:41:12.800 No, I can't see all the questions.
04:41:13.900 um the second part of that you you mentioned that these things have to be done
04:41:19.280 uh kind of before our legislature does its thing and outlines i want to point out kind of the the
04:41:26.740 the flow so it's not like all of these things get done at once right no so we have a referendum
04:41:32.880 and independence it's successful well now we begin negotiations with canada yes right the
04:41:37.160 negotiations will inevitably fail i i would assume and there's a declaration of independence
04:41:41.900 somewhere in there after that uh albertans get to decide what their future looks like yes and this
04:41:47.000 is the opportunity that i that is gives me so much hope and is so uh amazing to me an opportunity
04:41:53.280 that other people other countries have have like they've they've sacrificed millions of lives to
04:41:58.380 get the opportunity to answer a question of self-determination and we're going to get that
04:42:01.780 so we would get to decide through constitutional convention what our government's going to look
04:42:05.480 like what our legislature is going to look like how our executives are going to work all of these
04:42:09.160 things. And we can look to other countries, to other constitutions all around the world for the
04:42:15.260 things that have worked well and the things that haven't. For example, the United States just
04:42:19.080 celebrated their 250th anniversary. Greatest experiment in freedom the world has ever seen.
04:42:23.140 Not perfect, but it's a great example, a great constitution to look at to say, hey, how did they
04:42:27.440 maintain their freedom and how did they maintain, you know, their cohesiveness through that amount
04:42:31.660 of time? Because a lot of countries don't. No. And I just came off a road trip that Jason
04:42:37.780 Levine organized with Matt Rowley and with Bruce Pardee. And we went to Edmonton Red Deer in
04:42:44.880 Calgary to answer questions and listen to people about what they thought about constitutions.
04:42:52.040 And in that case, the three of us have different points of view. Matt Rowley's in favor of an
04:42:56.620 improved Westminster system. Bruce Pardee is a very libertarian-minded guy. And I tend to be
04:43:03.260 roughly in the middle with a republic much like the americans have so we discussed those we took
04:43:09.300 a lot of input from people we answered a lot of questions and key to all of this and actually the
04:43:14.520 number one paper on the on the transition plan is the development of the constitutional conference
04:43:19.520 and that's been mapped out that paper is actually pretty well done and it's a process by which we
04:43:25.880 can get multiple groups not just government not just lawyers not just you know a bunch of academics
04:43:31.960 but a public, open forum made up of a wide representation of people
04:43:37.160 to work through the process of picking our system of government.
04:43:40.580 And from that, you actually then structure your elections,
04:43:43.960 you structure your houses of government, the legislature,
04:43:46.760 your judicial system, and so forth.
04:43:48.800 And like you said, there's nothing new under the sun in many ways.
04:43:53.180 I think we can improve whatever model gets chosen.
04:43:56.660 I think we make serious improvements over what's there.
04:43:59.580 I've seen the weaknesses in the American system.
04:44:02.320 They have some challenges that I think we can fix.
04:44:05.720 And even when we went down the Westminster system, we know the holes.
04:44:08.420 Heavens, we're experiencing the holes today.
04:44:10.600 Every day.
04:44:11.080 Every day.
04:44:11.980 And, uh, we can plug those.
04:44:13.740 Bruce's system is a brand new to world approach, but it's got some
04:44:17.260 really good thoughts in there and some real lessons to learn no matter what.
04:44:20.200 So we have approaches.
04:44:22.100 We'll give it to the people of Alberta to decide ultimately.
04:44:25.000 So the constitutional conference generates a document, but ultimately the
04:44:29.000 people of the country of alberta will vote to accept the constitution and that's when it will
04:44:34.520 become the law of the land so that's something that's that process is designed and that we'll
04:44:40.140 be publishing it like i said roughly the end of july and that is the opportunity and the blessing
04:44:45.280 right there absolutely this isn't nobody is saying things are going to be perfect you know i i've
04:44:50.840 actually even stopped saying things will be better because i don't know if i what i what i do say is
04:44:55.820 that for the first time in history albertans will get to decide yes albertans will decide the laws
04:45:00.960 the governments the policy all of those things and they will reap the benefits or suffer the
04:45:05.260 consequence right now it's a group of people thousands of kilometers away that make the rules
04:45:09.900 largely and we kind of go along for the ride for better or for worse and i think there's a better
04:45:15.180 way to do it i think the people who are affected by legislation should be the ones that that that
04:45:22.140 choose their legislation and if it's not that way and if you can't influence the laws that
04:45:28.980 govern you, I think that's a big problem. So I'm supposed to mention and I will mention
04:45:34.460 this is a fundraiser and if you folks want to donate to any particular TPA, I'm not going to
04:45:41.300 tell you which ones to donate to, visit albertatelethon.com and you can click a link and
04:45:46.400 fill the appropriate information for whatever TPA you want to donate to and keep in mind that the
04:45:50.900 top three TPAs that you donate to right now, I will match those TPA donations up to my maximum
04:45:58.160 allowable contributions, which I believe is another, I think I can donate about another $1,600
04:46:02.260 for three more TPAs. So I'm happy to do that. And, you know, if you got a couple hundred
04:46:07.580 thousand dollars kicking around, you don't know what to do with it, Let's Talk Alberta can accept
04:46:10.940 anything from $1 up into the sky's the limit, Elon, if you're watching, and we'll be, like I
04:46:17.660 say we'll use your money very well the tpas um in alberta right now are subject to a number of
04:46:27.500 rules yes and the reason is that elections alberta wants to know who is paying to advertise for an
04:46:37.320 outcome of a referendum election whatever yes and the purpose of that is so that a giant corporation
04:46:42.560 in wherever doesn't stick their billion dollars in and influence an election.
04:46:47.920 They want to know that it's coming from the people of Alberta
04:46:51.040 and that's why there's contribution limits.
04:46:54.320 So I think Elections Alberta has an important job to play in that
04:46:58.740 and it can be frustrating to navigate those rules.
04:47:01.740 But I have noticed that some TPAs, particularly the one,
04:47:05.540 doesn't seem to be really following those rules.
04:47:09.760 And that's the Forever Canadian TPA.
04:47:12.560 So do you have any thoughts on that?
04:47:14.880 Have you ever, have you heard anything about that?
04:47:16.640 How they're, you know, getting away with that?
04:47:19.160 Well, I've read the announcements made by Elections Alberta and they're cutting in my
04:47:23.080 mind a very fine legal point.
04:47:26.280 I've also listened to the Forever Canadian people a few times and, you know, as far as
04:47:32.060 I can tell, they're campaigning, you know, just like, for example, Keith Wilson's campaigning
04:47:37.340 for his point of view and, and I go fine, let them campaign.
04:47:40.940 but I am very unhappy with the idea that one side apparently gets free pass and one the other side
04:47:48.880 gets a different one and that's something that that angers me so I think that I would ask
04:47:55.020 Elections Alberta to look very carefully at what exactly is being done by all TPAs make sure it
04:48:01.640 fits in the rules so I do agree with the idea that elections should not be able to be bought
04:48:06.600 that that concept is solid but then make sure all the tpas on both sides of the question
04:48:12.620 are in fact playing by the rules living by the rules and meeting the requirements that you set
04:48:17.740 out yourselves so if one side uh appears to be you know not quite following the rules as as they
04:48:24.640 should be and the other side is under under quite a bit of scrutiny i would say folks if you you know
04:48:29.460 if you have an opinion if you believe in one side of the conversation or the other support them
04:48:34.660 support them however you can donate as as much as you can as often as you can within your limits
04:48:40.320 and that's really the only way this is gonna this is gonna work the status quo um the current
04:48:45.840 situation is the easy choice it's the safe choice because nobody really is going to uh you know put
04:48:52.380 a cigarette butt in your cheek for saying hey we want to remain in canada but the uh the the risk
04:48:58.160 to some for expressing their opinion for self-determination is uh it's it's quite it's
04:49:03.260 quite visible well and things we see and you say it's a safe choice and i agree from the elections
04:49:08.320 alberta perspective it is but i ask people and i've been having this conversation for a while
04:49:14.160 so is choosing to remain in canada really the safe choice well i would say no well i would say
04:49:21.480 no as well but i ask people to walk through the thinking process of uh low investment levels in
04:49:27.940 in Canada, low productivity levels, worst financial record of the G20, you know, all these rules and
04:49:37.100 restrictions and net zeros coming at them, where will Canada be in 10 years time? Will it have any
04:49:43.280 financial means left? Will it even come close to maximizing the use of the many gifts it has?
04:49:49.840 And so when people say, well, it's safer in Canada, I go, no, it's not. It just not happened yet.
04:49:55.680 leaving Canada is in fact, it's an event. We're going to have a vote. There's going to be a whole
04:50:01.460 bunch of upset and concerns and worries. Very emotional. I tell people after the hangovers
04:50:08.160 wear off in a few days time, we'll wake up and say, okay, now what do we do? And that's why we're
04:50:13.240 building a transition plan. So some of that's already answered, but there will be, um, it's an,
04:50:18.580 it's an event and um i think though once that happens cooler heads will prevail there's a school
04:50:26.720 of thought and i understand it being valid they they think that canada will be very aggressive
04:50:31.840 and very difficult to deal with i don't i actually i agree with you they won't because i think that
04:50:37.620 canada will wake up with a huge hole in its financial economy they they already they have
04:50:44.460 this lump in the middle of their country that separates bc from them they are now beholden to
04:50:50.020 a third country and a foreign country third party to for their energy because they don't produce
04:50:54.940 much themselves um they're going to have the americans breathing down their neck saying
04:50:59.200 play nice because we want to protect our oil supply i think canada will after the hangovers
04:51:04.420 are over sit down and say okay let's talk we need some things you need some things let's work them
04:51:10.580 out. Can you imagine after, you know, after Mark Carney publicly recognizes the sovereignty of
04:51:18.600 Palestine and after Canada publicly acknowledged the sovereignty of Kosovo and other new and
04:51:25.640 emerging nations, can you imagine if they wouldn't recognize Alberta? I can't see that happening in
04:51:31.600 any reality. Well, and if they did, if they said we won't let Alberta go, I can imagine the world
04:51:39.540 community saying wait a minute this is colonialism yeah this is not self-determination of your
04:51:45.740 citizens you are demanding that this area this group of people stay beholden to you keep throwing
04:51:52.940 you money year after year and that is nothing more than a colony and you know what we like
04:51:58.280 alberta because they are trying to be their own country i think it's going to go it won't be easy
04:52:02.700 it's like a divorce not like it's going to be you know all happiness and butterflies there will be
04:52:07.440 some pretty tough fights and some arguments about how do we handle parks and how do we handle
04:52:13.800 financial commitments and how do we manage the debt and all those kind of things, all of which
04:52:19.400 I think have good answers, but each of them will have to be worked through. And I've said it to
04:52:23.880 more than one person, there's a couple of teams I'd love to be on that negotiating. Negotiation
04:52:28.220 is four. One is a pension. I'd love to be on that negotiating team because I think we will get a
04:52:35.340 very robust pension out of the cpp assets and i think it's more than doable so that's one team
04:52:40.320 i'd like to be on but this is all workable it's all doable and i think it will happen
04:52:44.360 regarding the pensions just real quick uh i have been in some of my in some of my uh media
04:52:52.080 people have asked me well why does alberta pardon me why does alberta think that they deserve all
04:53:01.240 this pension fund and you look at the math and the math is it speaks plainly so it says you get
04:53:06.980 what you put in plus interest minus what you pick out exactly period it's easy my question would be
04:53:11.760 well if we if we're uh entitled to 50 of the fund where's the rest of the money where did it go and
04:53:18.780 why is it not there yeah that should be the question people are asking not why does Alberta
04:53:21.920 get it well and I mean I think it'd be a broader negotiation but you're quite right and that's why
04:53:26.980 the value of freedom, though, we said, okay, the real number is the 344 from the Lightworks report.
04:53:31.680 And as people say, yeah, but, but, but, but, you know, I said, even at half, if we just get half
04:53:38.200 of that number, I've done the math, I've done it recently, we can cover all of our pension
04:53:43.680 obligations, CPP, OIS, GIS, and so forth, within that 184 comfortably. It turns out our expenditures
04:53:52.600 every year for current payouts to pensioners is actually less than the net contributions
04:53:58.360 from people working. The rest of it is in the funds.
04:54:02.220 There's a $3 billion overpayment every year.
04:54:05.040 Exactly. So you take that money, you invest it wisely, you cover all of your pension obligations
04:54:10.880 from that funding, and then you say, okay, that's now a stable pension fund, and it will grow.
04:54:17.020 I did a bit of the actuarial math to say, okay, run it out 20 years. You know what the rates we
04:54:22.160 are now building inflation building aging population all those wonderful things it's
04:54:27.320 still a perfectly viable fund for alberta yeah if it is for canada why wouldn't it be for alberta
04:54:32.200 why would it not be for alberta well i'm gonna get some questions here this one i i think is
04:54:36.280 really interesting um the question is from uh danielle and she asks what she says is her last
04:54:44.680 name smith by the way well she said not to use her last name so we'll let people stew on that
04:54:48.780 one she says uh hello i am not a separatist but i'm listening to the telethon in good faith to
04:54:54.140 better understand the situation the issue and the separatist perspective well thank you daniel for
04:54:58.620 watching watching i appreciate that that shows you're responsible civically engaged citizen
04:55:03.900 my question is what provisions are there for religious organizations in a separate alberta
04:55:09.000 will there be continued provisions for charitable exemption in an alberta tax structure what about
04:55:15.280 immigration exemptions for religious leaders slash clergy via immigration to be able to come
04:55:20.680 to Alberta and minister? What about protections for religious-based schools? That's a, it's a,
04:55:27.260 it's a opportunity question. What, what do you want? That's the point. Yeah. We get to decide
04:55:31.880 in our, in our constitution. Well, and to answer the question directly, in all three approaches,
04:55:37.700 Dr. Partey's, Matt Rowley's, and mine, all of them have at their core, very strong personal
04:55:44.720 freedoms, things like freedom of belief, freedom of religion, freedom from religion as well,
04:55:49.860 if you don't want to believe. And that includes the ability to worship as you will, as long as
04:55:55.460 you don't hurt anybody else, of course. And that's all in the structure. And we will decide that.
04:56:01.160 In terms of immigration, whether it be for a pastor or a religious leader, I mean, that's
04:56:06.560 subject to immigration law, which again, we craft here in Alberta. And I think there always needs
04:56:12.060 to be exemptions for special people if we have a sports team we'll have the two best hockey clubs
04:56:17.420 in the world in our country so we probably want to bring in the odd player from finland or wherever
04:56:22.540 it's from and yeah there has to be some special carve outs for those kind of people but generally
04:56:26.920 it's managed immigration only immigration for the good of the nation is what happens not just bring
04:56:32.580 in what we used to do yeah what we used to do i mean we actually went back in the valley of freedom
04:56:36.280 we went back to the old Canadian point system.
04:56:39.000 It was 2003, which was held up roundly around the world
04:56:43.740 as being the best, most productive immigration system in the world.
04:56:49.440 It was a points-based system.
04:56:51.060 You got points for certain attributes and subject to quota.
04:56:54.720 There's a limit on the number of people that could come in.
04:56:56.960 And so what you did is you made sure that people that came in
04:56:59.420 fit the needs of the nation,
04:57:01.660 were going to fit culturally and language-wise,
04:57:04.300 and going to actually belong.
04:57:06.280 and make themselves Canadian.
04:57:07.900 Steve McLaughlin Quebec does
04:57:08.380 that now to some extent.
04:57:09.580 Steve McLaughlin Exactly.
04:57:10.160 And I think that is the thing we
04:57:12.280 always have to ask when immigration
04:57:13.780 is, what does the country need?
04:57:17.080 Steve McLaughlin Well, wait a
04:57:17.440 minute, though, Dennis, isn't that
04:57:18.340 racist?
04:57:20.200 Steve McLaughlin I did not mention
04:57:21.320 what color you were.
04:57:22.040 I just said, what does the country
04:57:23.120 need in terms of skill set and
04:57:25.500 talent? My wife is mainland 0.99
04:57:27.280 Chinese. I really don't care. 1.00
04:57:29.880 Steve McLaughlin This is the
04:57:30.320 argument we get, though, and why I
04:57:31.400 brought it up. People, people,
04:57:32.840 every time you mention
04:57:34.220 immigration, they say you're a
04:57:35.320 racist well no no i believe in preserving the values that made the country the place that
04:57:39.560 people want to immigrate to period right and it doesn't matter what color you are where you come
04:57:42.940 from if you want to acknowledge freedom you want to be prosperous through hard work and opportunity
04:57:48.040 come here exactly build with us right yeah well and i talked to some folks from india my friend
04:57:55.600 prakash and uh anyway he he is grumpy and angry at the current state of immigration in canada
04:58:02.760 Because he came in in the early 2000s, went through the point system, brought capital, worked his ass off, set up a company, is successful, done very, very well.
04:58:13.120 And he's angry because why are we letting these people in with no requirements and no desire to build the country? 1.00
04:58:20.840 And, you know, Prakash, I'm sorry, he's from India. 1.00
04:58:24.380 He doesn't look at all like me. 1.00
04:58:25.400 I'm a very pale-faced guy. 1.00
04:58:27.180 I thought you were from India.
04:58:28.200 Well, you know, I don't go out in the sun much.
04:58:30.580 Oh, yeah.
04:58:31.060 you know i have a part of my part of the whistle stop is a convenience store and most of my
04:58:36.180 suppliers all but two i guess now are uh either from india or lebanon and i've had this conversation
04:58:43.260 about alberta independence with them and some of them they're not even they're not even citizens
04:58:46.720 they're just here on temporary prs yeah uh they're they're completely choked at what's going on yes
04:58:52.440 with immigration and they they're the common comment is if i could vote i would be voting
04:58:57.580 for independence because this is not, you know, we should, we should be protecting what we have
04:59:03.240 here. And well, and, and I said, my wife is mainland Chinese. And if you want to get a rise
04:59:08.880 out of her, just say, Hey, immigration's fine the way it is in Canada right now. She will go 0.90
04:59:13.780 absolutely ballistic. I think I maybe will skip that one. Okay. Next question. This one's from
04:59:20.180 Dale. Dale says lots have been said about, and by the way, folks, um, these aren't, uh, screened
04:59:27.040 or censored or anything.
04:59:27.800 I'm just reading them as they come.
04:59:30.120 Lots has been said about transfer of assets
04:59:31.960 and control over resources and the Constitution.
04:59:35.480 When or how are the laws like C22, C9,
04:59:38.460 and others subject to change
04:59:39.780 and not hang over the heads of Albertans?
04:59:42.140 Well, that's an easy one.
04:59:43.120 That's immediately.
04:59:43.980 Yeah.
04:59:44.300 Immediately.
04:59:45.180 What happens if the Clarity Act
04:59:46.520 is not negotiated in good faith
04:59:48.020 and is vetoed or stymied by Ottawa
04:59:50.180 or provincial challenges?
04:59:52.140 Three words.
04:59:53.880 We're not asking.
04:59:56.460 Exactly.
04:59:57.040 It blows my mind. The Clarity Act is the legal pathway that Canada would prefer Alberta use or any province use to secede from Confederation. That's a preference. It is not a requirement. Under no circumstance in any time in history has a nation that has split from their parent nation been subject to do it only by the laws of the parent nation.
05:00:19.300 Exactly.
05:00:19.920 It does not work like that.
05:00:21.140 And certainly not the courts thereof.
05:00:22.620 Certainly not the courts.
05:00:23.860 The entire premise of an independent Alberta, for me, would be this in a nutshell.
05:00:28.740 I completely reject the Canadian Constitution and the Canadian system of governance, and I want Albertans to create their own.
05:00:35.760 Yes.
05:00:36.180 Period.
05:00:36.740 That means that the Clarity Act, to me, is almost irrelevant.
05:00:40.980 And as a matter of fact, it's irrelevant to Quebec as well.
05:00:43.280 Quebec, when the Clarity Act came out, they passed a law that said they will never use it.
05:00:48.180 Exactly.
05:00:48.460 They reject it on its face.
05:00:49.700 Done.
05:00:50.560 Over and done with.
05:00:51.140 because they live their sovereignty and they would never ask permission.
05:00:54.840 And I don't believe Alberta would either.
05:00:56.540 However, you know, it is nice to believe that we could use this legal pathway
05:01:00.980 to achieve our self-determination, but it may not work that way.
05:01:04.940 But having said that, I mean, I am quite content to try and work within the rules.
05:01:09.300 Exactly.
05:01:09.780 Lay it out as best we can.
05:01:11.900 As long as everybody understands, this is not a,
05:01:15.060 well, we're asking for permission, pretty, pretty please.
05:01:17.880 And if you say, no, well, we're done.
05:01:19.900 We are going to leave if we win the referendum.
05:01:22.380 We are going to set up our own country.
05:01:24.360 We would like it to be civil and reasonable and based upon good conversation and good negotiation.
05:01:31.260 But if the other party refuses to hold to that standard, we will pursue things unilaterally.
05:01:37.740 And we have every right.
05:01:39.660 The international community recognizes the right to self-determination.
05:01:43.860 Yes.
05:01:44.080 And it's, you know, internationally, not every nation agrees on everything, but that's one thing that most civilized nations agree on.
05:01:52.140 Yes.
05:01:52.460 Self-determining.
05:01:54.280 What happens to the joint provincial federal pipelines and other deals that are being made in the MOU presented by Kearney?
05:02:00.420 Well, this is assuming that those happen and they happened before, but let's just pretend that it happens tomorrow.
05:02:07.160 What about things like that?
05:02:08.400 Any joint provincial federal business case?
05:02:11.120 Well, I mean, this is what negotiation is about.
05:02:13.760 The feds are going to say, take the Trans Mountain Pipeline.
05:02:16.080 We invested a ridiculous sum to do way too much money.
05:02:20.040 Different topic.
05:02:21.040 But let's pretend it's $34 billion, I think it is.
05:02:23.560 We'll say, okay, you invested that amount.
05:02:25.620 We're going to use that pipeline to ship our product to the sea.
05:02:28.760 There's a tolling arrangement.
05:02:30.060 We're going to pay for the use of that pipe.
05:02:32.060 We owned part of it, so we get something back for that.
05:02:35.740 Let's work out the deal that says, okay, you get to recover your part of the investment.
05:02:39.820 We get our part of the investment.
05:02:41.000 And, you know, it's like any other country.
05:02:43.540 It's just like when we ship stuff to the southern states right now through the American system, we pay tolls.
05:02:49.820 Right.
05:02:50.120 Yeah.
05:02:50.680 Why would it be any different?
05:02:52.120 Yeah.
05:02:52.600 And the other thing people forget is that a federal asset, Alberta owns 15% of federal assets as well.
05:02:58.160 Right.
05:02:58.520 So it's not like we only own what's in our border.
05:03:00.780 We own 15% of that and we own 15% of that.
05:03:03.300 So that's a negotiation.
05:03:04.180 Well, and I've made the case more than once.
05:03:05.960 People say, well, yeah, what about the parks?
05:03:07.460 What about military bases?
05:03:08.820 I go, well, I'm willing to exchange my 15% of the military bases, parks, and federal facilities in the rest of Canada for a 100% ownership of those equivalent facilities within the borders of Alberta.
05:03:22.440 Let's call that a deal.
05:03:23.400 And by the way, my advice to Canada, take it fast because it's really in your favor.
05:03:27.760 Yeah, absolutely.
05:03:28.860 That's one of the things that, one of the trifold documents that we produce at Let's Talk Alberta was show me the other half of the ledger.
05:03:35.720 You know, we're always talking about this.
05:03:37.000 What about the national parks?
05:03:37.960 What about the military bases?
05:03:39.140 And we forget, or people forget, to ask the other question on the other side,
05:03:43.280 what about the assets that we own in other provinces?
05:03:45.900 And this stuff all has to be considered, not just the one side.
05:03:48.120 Well, same with the national debt.
05:03:49.260 I mean, that question comes up a lot as well.
05:03:51.380 And you go, okay, but back to your other side of the ledger.
05:03:55.380 What proportion of that debt incurred had benefits that accrued to Alberta?
05:04:00.900 If you put all that money or a bunch of that money into stuff in Newfoundland
05:04:04.440 or stuff in Quebec, well, that's very nice.
05:04:07.840 But by the way, we're not going to take on
05:04:09.160 the debt related to that.
05:04:10.760 So I think the debt will not be the 15%, 12%,
05:04:14.220 whatever the per capita percentage is.
05:04:16.340 It's going to be something less.
05:04:18.460 And yeah, we'll take that on.
05:04:19.320 That's our obligation.
05:04:20.080 We'll take it on.
05:04:20.860 Yeah, it's like, you know,
05:04:21.960 you're moving out of your parents' house.
05:04:23.280 They've racked up a ridiculous amount of debt
05:04:26.520 without you being able to do anything about it,
05:04:28.720 without it really benefiting you.
05:04:29.940 And then when you move out, they say,
05:04:31.220 hey, you got to pay part of this debt back.
05:04:32.580 Right.
05:04:32.740 It doesn't work that way.
05:04:33.360 And considering that Alberta has contributed, you know, something like $600 billion before inflation adjustment to Confederation, I think we're starting off in a pretty good negotiating position, if you consider both sides of the ledger.
05:04:48.140 Unfortunately, some don't, including our Premier.
05:04:49.920 Our Premier went public and said, hey, it's going to cost us $400 billion, it's going to cost $60 billion a year.
05:04:55.880 She talked about that one side of the ledger, not the other.
05:04:58.440 And that's actually what motivated me to write that document.
05:05:00.960 and she mixed all sorts of things up she mixed up initial capital cost with increased operating
05:05:06.980 cost of the actual units and then the actual you know money dispersed as part of those programs
05:05:12.200 and you know i like to think because i do like danielle i like to think if she could say that
05:05:17.820 over again she'd say something different but now it's out there in the wild and i think it's a
05:05:21.740 ridiculous statement well it worked out good because it motivated me to do something so i
05:05:25.200 spent a couple days doing some research and producing a document and now it's uh in in red
05:05:29.360 Deer alone, there's a group there, they distributed
05:05:31.420 20,000 of these things
05:05:33.480 in the city of Red Deer and we've got them going all over Alberta.
05:05:35.660 It's absolutely amazing. So folks
05:05:37.540 if you want to support that
05:05:38.840 please do, but remember
05:05:41.600 this particular telethon
05:05:43.520 is purpose built to
05:05:45.420 support the work that the
05:05:47.180 TPAs are doing. You can find the list
05:05:49.520 of TPAs at albertatelethon.com
05:05:52.040 Go to the website, you can
05:05:53.640 click on the link of the TPA that
05:05:55.620 you wish to donate to
05:05:57.240 And when you do, remember that the top three of those TPAs, the top three amounts of donation for three of those, I'm going to match that dollar for dollar up to my remainder of my maximum allowable under the elections finance rule.
05:06:11.380 What else have we got here?
05:06:13.020 There's quite a few questions in this one email.
05:06:14.800 So let's try and get through them really quickly before we run out of time.
05:06:17.740 how would an independent how would an independent or move towards independence defend itself from a
05:06:26.060 canadian army that is now becoming a greater percentage of foreign nationals without canadian 0.87
05:06:30.060 culture or tradition well let me put this we are going from the assumption that canada will follow
05:06:37.340 the law they are not and they're not going to take military action against us neither the americans
05:06:43.240 for that matter. First of all, play this scenario out. Let's say Canada was so foolish as to do
05:06:49.120 such a thing. Do you think the Americans would stand by idly? Absolutely. I told them we have 1.00
05:06:54.420 oil. Yeah, we've got their oil. Remember, they want to buy our oil and they want to have it
05:06:58.560 protected because it's a big part of their supply. They are not going to let the Canadian army come
05:07:03.080 in and try and impose a police state. So the option makes no sense. And so I think you have
05:07:10.900 stand back and say no Canada will not invade they will not try and do such things and we're going to 0.87
05:07:17.380 end up with just like the Czech uh separation it will be the velvet separation where I think we go
05:07:23.960 probably with a few bruised feelings and so forth but generally in a peaceable fashion yeah uh one
05:07:30.360 thing I like to do and we have to do when people ask me a question about what for instance military
05:07:35.120 what if the Canadian military and how are you going to defend yourself I say how do we defend
05:07:38.980 ourselves now yes as a canadian are you comfortable with our ability to defend ourselves i'm not no
05:07:45.360 we rely on other nations to defend ourselves i have a friend whose son is uh he's on a submarine
05:07:50.980 out of esquimalt in british columbia and that sub spent two years in dry dock yes two years they
05:07:57.120 finally get it out to sea it lit on fire they brought it back had to do a bunch more repairs
05:08:00.720 they brought it out to sea again something happened they had to tow it back and fix it like
05:08:04.620 are if you want if you're concerned about your nation defending you you should be pursuing an
05:08:11.720 independent alberta where you could actually have some input on what our military looks like yeah
05:08:16.860 and how it functions right now we can't and alberta has not been able to do a darn thing about the
05:08:22.800 systematic destruction of our military in this nation that was started by pierre elliot trudeau
05:08:27.340 in the 70s yeah nothing we could do nothing about it well and pierre has done a bunch of bad things
05:08:31.720 changing topics. Matt Rowley actually brought this to my attention. I never realized before
05:08:38.860 that when Pierre Trudeau set up the charter and so forth, he actually changed the basis of
05:08:45.340 government from Parliament supreme to the courts being supreme. And there's that one major change
05:08:52.880 that has allowed the courts to change our laws, refuse laws, and block laws that the courts don't
05:08:58.640 like. And those kinds of changes have permitted a lot of these things to happen, like the
05:09:04.560 evisceration of our military and imposition of all sorts of crazy laws. So when we say we want
05:09:11.400 a new constitution, it's not just, well, we want to have our own, that, but also to get rid of the
05:09:17.760 wrongs that are plaguing Canada right now. Well, I see Max over there and he's doing something like
05:09:24.440 this. I don't know what that means. Maybe it means he can't breathe or something. Maybe he's
05:09:27.800 asked me if I needed water because I was choking well I think it's five minutes to six oh it's
05:09:31.340 five minutes to six okay so I guess we're gonna have to wrap it up well I'm gonna I'm gonna leave
05:09:35.340 you with this folks um I'll tell you what Alberta independence means to me it Alberta independence
05:09:41.100 isn't some magical switch that we're gonna flip that makes everything okay it's not a switch
05:09:46.480 that's gonna solve all of our problems what it is is it is the most amazing opportunity
05:09:52.340 and potential blessing that we will see in our lifetimes.
05:09:55.660 We are part of a movement that may result in people being able to self-determine
05:10:01.940 who haven't been able to as of yet.
05:10:04.620 And if you look at the way our elections work and things like that,
05:10:10.280 Alberta has never truly been able to influence the laws under which it's governed.
05:10:15.820 We haven't.
05:10:16.880 And this is the opportunity we have.
05:10:18.580 so when you when you consider how you're going to support this movement or what your place is in it
05:10:25.640 just consider that consider what it means to be part of a group and part of a time where we get
05:10:33.260 we get to do that and we get to do it without lifting a weapon we don't have to well I mean
05:10:38.540 some people get beat up a little bit whatever but we don't have to go fight a war and it's right
05:10:43.480 there in front of us so this is uh it's worth making small sacrifices of your time attending
05:10:49.580 events talking to people trying to chip away at the stigma of of the independence conversation
05:10:55.440 and also financially if if people aren't willing to open their wallets and financially support
05:11:01.480 the independence movement it just won't happen no right that's that's the sad state of things so
05:11:06.280 so please consider supporting um again it is albertatelethon.com there's some links there
05:11:11.820 you can click on your favorite tpa i'm hoping that john can let me know uh what the top three
05:11:17.020 were before i am on my way and then i will announce which ones they were and how much i'm
05:11:22.400 going to donate so the more you donate now the more of uh my money you get to donate as well so
05:11:27.880 perfect and yeah thank you very much dennis it was a fantastic finally meeting you and thank you for
05:11:32.860 all your hard work for alberta thank you as well all right now what do we do i'm with tanya clemens
05:11:39.180 Keith Wilson, Let Alberta Decide, and we're at the amazing Stampede Breakfast just the Sunday before the telethon.
05:11:46.940 And congratulations. This was a remarkable event. I think you had 1,000 people out here today.
05:11:51.660 Yeah, we sold out real fast and just shows the level of momentum and support in the movement.
05:11:57.460 It's real. You know, you saw the cross-section of society who is here today of all backgrounds, all ethnicities,
05:12:05.180 ethnicities, all, you know, places in life, and the support's real. It's growing. Albertans know
05:12:13.020 that we can do better, and we're going to build on this to even take further campaign steps. We're
05:12:20.200 going to be rolling out our large sign campaign to counter some of these larger red and white
05:12:25.300 signs we're seeing, particularly in the Calgary area, and we're really excited about the turnout
05:12:30.220 today. Jandy, I think it was about three weeks ago when you really kicked this thing off, and of
05:12:34.960 course, there's some nervousness when that kind of thing happens. But how has it progressed for
05:12:39.460 you so far? I mean, I'm seeing amazing momentum, as Keith said. Yeah, well, the support has been
05:12:44.400 pretty incredible. As to date, we've raised approximately a quarter of a million dollars
05:12:49.720 in our TPA. So that was one of the leading TPAs in Alberta history. The support that we have for
05:12:55.340 people that come out and have conversations with us and send us information and chat with us is
05:13:00.500 immense yeah you know keith i said when i was on stage thank you by the way for having me emcee
05:13:05.540 this today it was just an honor to be here you know i said i'm here among friends and the other
05:13:10.920 thing i noticed was there were a lot of other third-party advertisers who showed up today
05:13:14.540 really it's really a team effort here even though you're doing your thing they're doing their thing
05:13:19.820 it's just remarkable how everybody's working towards the school yeah like the the other
05:13:24.160 third-party advertisers are spontaneous you know it was not a coordinated effort there's new ones
05:13:29.460 forming all the time yeah you know i see uh you know like a veterans for freedom and albertans
05:13:34.120 for freedom uh and many other groups and everybody's got a role uh we've got so many
05:13:39.620 forces against us uh with the with the federal government having unlimited resources to try and
05:13:45.320 scare albertans and use their fear campaign with other with the state forces are so well financed
05:13:51.620 they they have the legacy media to rely on so this is grassroots but you know what we're trying to do
05:13:58.540 tanya and i with uh let alberta decide is take a more sophisticated approach that that is really
05:14:04.380 focused on persuading those who are not yet prepared to vote for independence and and build
05:14:09.900 a new future outside of canada and a new new relationship with canada for alberta uh that's
05:14:16.380 what we're focused on we're really going to be focusing on the cities as well because we have a
05:14:20.220 lot of support as people know throughout rural alberta where our growth potential is is an
05:14:25.260 imperative is in the cities it needs a different kind of messaging some different techniques and
05:14:30.220 that's what we're implementing you know i heard uh i heard keith uh tanya earlier talking about
05:14:34.220 these little people who sit on his shoulders one says why aren't you on the golf course keith and
05:14:38.780 this one's telling i'm with tanya clemens keith wilson let alberta decide and we're at the
05:14:43.340 amazing limited resources to try and scare albertans and you look at the importance of what
05:14:48.220 it's going to mean to our children that's what really is driving all of us we've spent so many
05:14:51.980 many generations trying to build Alberta up every generation and leave something better and more
05:14:56.360 prosperous for the next generations and now we're at this point where that's not going to happen
05:15:00.420 where our children are not going to be as better off as us it's not going to have as much opportunity
05:15:04.320 and that's really disheartening we don't want that for them so this is our big chance to do it
05:15:09.140 this is our big question that's going to be asked and Albertans need to really be engaged and think
05:15:12.680 seriously about the outcome of this. Well congratulations on a great day I'm looking
05:15:17.260 forward to the next three months it's going to be really exciting all the best to you and if you'd
05:15:21.860 like to support let alberta decide albertatelethon.com click on the link you stood on those
05:15:29.020 stone hi guys uh mike from the critical compass here we are live from the edmonton studio thank
05:15:34.860 you for joining us it's been um a pretty amazing day so far um we've got uh we've got mr alberton
05:15:41.860 uh or mr alberta he's uh he was uh hello stuck on the kiwi too on the way here so
05:15:47.740 welcome sir yeah it's great to be here excited that we are now officially opening up the edmonton
05:15:55.620 portion of the live stream which is of course the better portion at least the more the more
05:16:00.080 northern one the more northern one edmonton the last great day we actually have something we uh
05:16:04.740 oh you don't have it never mind all right it was a little peace offering to all the unfortunate
05:16:10.420 calgary flames fans that are joining us but uh we'll maybe it'll join us we'll save it for later
05:16:14.740 yeah yeah so for those of you don't know me i'm mr alberta i am a guy who's up here in edmonton
05:16:20.260 blue collar worker who has a lot of fun making fun of the liberals and having a good time with
05:16:24.980 that stuff i've been uh in alberta on one side of my family for over 100 years and the other side is
05:16:29.540 immigrants so i have a little bit of a taste of both worlds and we're here doing a joint stream
05:16:34.820 with uh critical mike critical mike yeah i'm uh i guess my maybe i'll say my background i mean like
05:16:40.580 i'm a we looked this up one time the americans and the canadians say it differently if you're
05:16:45.380 a first or second generation canadian or american in the u.s you'd be a first generation if your
05:16:52.020 parents emigrated and then you were born you would be considered a first generation in canada some
05:16:57.140 people say that the parents emigrating are first generation and then the children are second
05:17:01.300 generation so i'm either a first or a second generation canadian so uh my my family comes
05:17:07.300 from the middle east and from south america and so yeah i've uh until you know not too long ago
05:17:13.540 was a very proud canadian and uh and i've you know unfortunately we've seen nothing but uh
05:17:20.100 canadiana kind of die so it's uh i'm happy to identify as an albertan and uh yeah this is
05:17:27.220 very cool so i'm glad that we have such cool guests with us today yeah maybe we'll maybe we'll
05:17:33.220 zip it on over to uh mr wilkinson beside you yeah so here we have with us today first is uh john so
05:17:39.780 tell us who are you absolutely thanks mr alberto thanks mike for having us on and what an amazing
05:17:44.260 day so far with the telethon with the support coming in from across the province uh huge numbers
05:17:50.020 and we've been seeing them as well so thank you first of all for the donations i am the lead
05:17:55.380 and the primary contact with united alberta flags one of the registered tpas that's on the page and
05:18:00.660 part of the telephone we thank you for your support so far today at all of the different
05:18:04.660 activities and we thank you for helping us paint the province blue our team has been out in parades
05:18:10.660 we have been out handing out flags little ones and i've got a couple here for you guys just for
05:18:15.300 setting up all the work that it took just to get going and some alberta independent custom stickers
05:18:21.380 that we had 10,000 printed these are going out all over the place but this
05:18:25.200 isn't even what it's about this is about getting people ready to paint the
05:18:29.840 province blue so that everybody remembers to vote for option two it's
05:18:34.280 a nice little thing it works really well there might have been some thought behind
05:18:38.060 it so yeah United Alberta flags we are actively involved in community events in
05:18:43.380 helping get people not afraid to fly the Alberta flag anymore because of course
05:18:48.680 as we have these discussions about independence we have people that have
05:18:52.940 obviously made up their minds we've had other people that have obviously made up
05:18:56.180 their minds against it and what we're actually trying to do is engage in the
05:18:59.960 conversation with the hearts and the minds of the undecided voters in the
05:19:03.500 province people are afraid what Canada has become isn't the Canada we grew up
05:19:08.360 in that's true right I love Canada I've worked across the country I've traveled
05:19:12.980 across the country I have family across the country but it's not what it once
05:19:16.880 was and we're not just talking about equalization we're not just talking
05:19:20.960 about the cost of living and the cost of food we're talking about values we're
05:19:24.380 talking about orientation we're talking about integrity we're talking about a
05:19:27.620 federal government that's off the rails and so as we do that that's what our
05:19:32.120 goal is with RTPA today and the donations help it continue to grow that's
05:19:37.120 what we're here for today we've got an announcement we'll wait a little bit here
05:19:40.220 it's I know some of my followers some of our followers on our accounts have been
05:19:46.880 Teased a little bit today that we've got really thrilled to be able to be here and be part of
05:19:53.680 advancing a cause that's going to make a difference in our future generations, in our kids, in our
05:19:58.360 grandkids, in what Alberta can be. People don't need to be afraid to fly the flag.
05:20:04.540 Well said. Well said. I'd like to touch on a couple things you said actually, but first we want to
05:20:09.360 introduce phil yeah yeah so phil uh gamash right uh i've been uh involved uh when right from it
05:20:18.000 probably be um sometime in october right and got involved with the whole movement and uh so a little
05:20:25.020 history behind me my family's been here since 1653 when was new france oh right we've seen a lot of
05:20:30.380 changes over those times we had to make some rough decisions right and in those rough decisions you
05:20:35.160 You know, some, you know, feelings will get hurt, loyalties will be bent, but the whole thing is you've got to come back to, okay, what's best for our family and our future?
05:20:44.220 And I think that's what really struck a chord with me in this movement.
05:20:48.560 And some people call me super volunteer, but there's a lot of super volunteers out there, right?
05:20:54.060 He is a super volunteer, for the record.
05:20:56.120 but yeah so i'm proud to be about uh you know uh helping in this whole cause and very excited for
05:21:02.440 our future and the education that you know behind it is what you know i think will make the difference
05:21:09.320 absolutely awesome so having you here has been pretty cool and it's really funny for me because
05:21:15.400 i remember last year up until like last summer yeah the albert independence movement was always
05:21:21.480 fighting over the flags we come up with new flags then everyone argue about it no we can't have a
05:21:27.240 north star in it no no blue people still hate the the st george's cross for some reason yeah there's
05:21:33.520 lots of discussion on different pieces yeah but then at the end in last summer a crazy thing
05:21:37.660 happened where some forever canadian guy i think his name is uh copland or something sean copland
05:21:42.920 goes to a medicine hat safeway and freaks out at the manager because they had an alberta flag
05:21:50.560 it displayed over Alberta beef and he went so far as to make the manager take it down and like what
05:21:55.940 we didn't know is that as soon as he really upset about that ever since and you know that just
05:22:07.380 recently happened as well I saw on social media last week up in the Edmonton market here where we
05:22:11.420 are I believe it's just over on the west end there are retailers that are supporting the Alberta
05:22:17.340 economy. They're supporting the Alberta
05:22:19.320 sales. And like anything
05:22:21.360 else, you buy something from Germany, they put a
05:22:23.320 German flag in the cheese bin. You buy Swiss
05:22:25.380 cheese, it's got a Swiss. There's Alberta
05:22:27.200 products and Alberta producers that
05:22:29.200 we should all be supporting
05:22:30.760 that somehow a certain segment of our population
05:22:33.560 won't support because
05:22:35.000 they themselves are politicizing the flag.
05:22:37.320 The flag that we have that's behind us,
05:22:39.300 we hand out parade flags, we hand out
05:22:41.100 household flags, we hand out three by
05:22:43.240 fives, bigger ones like this, and
05:22:45.260 we're going to go even bigger very shortly.
05:22:47.340 They are universal. Every Albertan, it doesn't matter.
05:22:51.340 Ten years ago, it doesn't matter if you supported NDP or Conservatives, Alberta was your flag.
05:22:55.340 It didn't matter if you lived on a reservation in a First Nations community up in Fort Chippewan
05:22:59.340 or downtown Calgary, Alberta was your flag. You're Albertan,
05:23:03.340 your flag is Alberta. It doesn't matter. And when we're talking about a jurisdictional
05:23:07.340 issue like independence for the province of Alberta,
05:23:11.340 there is only one flag, and that is the Alberta flag. It's the flag that you fly, that I fly,
05:23:15.340 that everybody all around us flies there shouldn't be an issue at Safeway and
05:23:19.480 there shouldn't be an issue in somebody's front yard it's funny how
05:23:23.620 people it depends on the political winds of the day doesn't it it does how
05:23:28.960 people view flags because I'm I don't know about you guys but I'm old enough
05:23:31.720 to remember all the way back in 2020 and 2021
05:23:37.500 was a symbol right yeah and now it's a symbol of a whole you know the it's
05:23:42.460 unity again so isn't that funny how just in a matter of a few years the winds can blow it's
05:23:47.100 only a subset of the community that uh that likes to play games with our symbols but they're also
05:23:52.620 playing games with our futures and albertans right now i think not only are fed enough fed up
05:23:58.780 but have also realized what those games are right right now we're talking about bc putting royalties
05:24:05.100 on our pipelines on our oil well that's never happened before that's not a unified country
05:24:10.860 You know, we chose the name as a third-party advertiser, and we are engaged in this campaign, and we chose United Alberta to directly contradict, not to contradict, but to come up against what at that time Danielle Smith and the Prime Minister and others were saying, well, we're going to have a strong Alberta in a united Canada.
05:24:29.640 There's no such thing as a united Canada anymore, and there hasn't been a generation or more.
05:24:35.220 So if you're going to play on the games here, I can tell you, I think, on October 19th,
05:24:40.440 we'll have a united Alberta that's voting for option two.
05:24:43.720 We're going to help make that possible by strengthening people's resolve,
05:24:47.640 helping to educate them, and helping them to fall in love with their provincial symbols again.
05:24:52.060 That's why we're getting flags out.
05:24:53.940 In the last two weeks, we've got out over 4,000 flags at different events of different sizes.
05:24:58.420 Yesterday, we picked up another order of 5,000 flags that are coming up, and we've got the little parade flags that go on out.
05:25:05.860 We've got three by fives that go up on houses.
05:25:07.820 We've got these big ones, and I guess I'll throw it out now.
05:25:10.540 On the way down here, I had a long meeting.
05:25:13.060 We've been announced on Rebel News a couple of weeks ago that we want to do big ones, but here's part of the problem.
05:25:19.360 We couldn't find a manufacturer for the flagpoles here without going to the States or going to Nova Scotia.
05:25:25.360 now in a normal environment yeah we could look at those things but i really want to support local
05:25:30.940 we met with and started the conversation and started the deal today with a manufacturer
05:25:36.980 here in the province that's going to manufacture us 100 foot flagpoles that we're going to put up
05:25:42.920 20 by 30 foot alberta flags on around the province your donations can help make a difference to fund
05:25:49.940 these, up and down Highway 2, up and down Highway 1, and up and down Highway 3. They're not the
05:25:56.220 same price category as these, so feel free to donate up to $5,000. We are tracking absolutely
05:26:01.640 everything. You can go to unitedalbertaflags.com today. Right now, we can take e-transfer, we can
05:26:09.000 take credit card. It's all set up and it's rolling. We've seen so far today that we've already brought
05:26:13.080 in $5,000 or more, and we're greatly, greatly, we really appreciate it. We're so thankful for that
05:26:19.240 because it helps make this possible and it helps strengthen Alberta all the way across.
05:26:23.920 So five grand, how many Alberta flakes does that get?
05:26:26.340 Well, we buy them in bulk, so it's not really a retail price right now.
05:26:31.020 Depending on the size and depending on what we're using them for,
05:26:35.180 the big ones here, these are going to be $2,500, $3,000 a piece.
05:26:39.340 These we're getting for cheaper than probably most people want to know
05:26:42.420 because there's other people that are still buying them for different events.
05:26:44.800 So we make very good use of wholesalers and bulk agreements in the province to help make the biggest impact that we can so that we can distribute at an efficient level and make sure that we're getting out to all of the requests.
05:26:59.440 When I came into town today, I stopped at a house and a volunteer.
05:27:03.600 Somebody had asked for them here in Sherwood Park all across the province.
05:27:06.280 We've been to Calgary.
05:27:07.040 We've been to Pinocchio.
05:27:07.620 We've been to Edmonton.
05:27:08.340 We're traveling all over and distributing them.
05:27:11.040 But, you know, really it's about changing people's hearts, too.
05:27:14.160 one thing that i did before we got to the studio and i had a parade this morning i had flag drop
05:27:18.880 off we had another meeting i had a 20 minute window and our truck needed an oil change i went
05:27:24.640 to the local the jiffy jiffy lube real quick just going through while i was sorting things out on
05:27:29.680 the phone three guys there two young guys and an old guy and they saw the truck come in with united
05:27:34.880 alberta flags on it first thing that happened somebody followed me off the highway because of
05:27:39.200 the logo and pulled in behind not for an oil change but they had seen the logo and they asked for a
05:27:43.280 flag. It was unbelievable. The guys were laughing. And then I had to be on the phone because I was
05:27:48.220 actually talking to James, starting some different things out. The guys do the oil change and they
05:27:53.180 come up. They go, you're helping with independence, right? I said, yeah, absolutely. They just exploded
05:27:59.420 with joy. We can't talk to anybody. I can't bring this up at home. I can't talk to my parents about
05:28:03.820 it. Can I take something? I said, yeah, absolutely. Here, have flags, have stickers, handing them out.
05:28:09.660 they're thrilled to bits one of them is midlife same age as me he's working there can't get a
05:28:14.920 house we were talking about the economy and the taxes and what's happened to canada over the last
05:28:18.500 year breaks my heart to see what's happened to canada as a whole and albertans living within
05:28:24.820 that the cost of living that's going up the food that's going up all of these things that are going
05:28:29.640 up we've got to push back against it we've got to recognize that it's not just an answer about
05:28:34.200 equalization it's about are you proud to be in albertan are you proud to fly the flag
05:28:38.780 right so what do we pay for the flags less than you will which means we can
05:28:44.940 efficiently distribute them across the province in a way that can make a
05:28:48.020 difference perfect yeah honestly I think anyone here who's gone to buy an
05:28:53.900 Alberta flag recently they've seen how expensive they become they're hard to
05:28:58.160 get I remember I was up in a white court there and I walked into their home
05:29:01.460 hardware and it was literally either a Canadian flag for 20 bucks or an
05:29:06.860 alberban flag for 54 bucks and that's just how crazy expensive it's become it's funny that you
05:29:12.800 mentioned that i posted up on social media on our on our x account i don't think it's on the
05:29:17.860 facebook but on the x account we actually ran into an interesting spot about a month ago at
05:29:22.280 the wetasquin canadian tire where the alberta flags were at 20 regular price and they were
05:29:29.560 totally sold out and the canadian flags were on sale at nine dollars and the rack was full
05:29:33.720 So it depends on the community that you're going to.
05:29:36.080 People will pay more to stand up for truth and integrity 0.86
05:29:39.100 than they will to fall for the schluck
05:29:41.620 that's just coming out from Ottawa these days.
05:29:45.760 Phil, what's your, in your experience as a volunteer,
05:29:49.220 what's your read on how people are feeling about the Alberta flag?
05:29:53.120 So I was really surprised, right?
05:29:55.300 The excitement, the energy that people came up,
05:29:58.140 they were happy to sign, you know,
05:29:59.980 and they would ask questions and at the time we couldn't answer but you know we said you know you
05:30:07.400 can find it online and look here look there right and so people were really excited about the fact
05:30:13.180 that we're finally going to see some change and we had some school girls come into I'll say his
05:30:21.420 name into Harvey Jan's place right and he was the one holding the office where you could come sign
05:30:29.140 and so these three girls come in from the high school right and you know they think they're just 0.98
05:30:33.720 going to be there for me for five ten minutes so do we right they wound up spending an hour
05:30:37.580 with us because they were so excited they were like sponges learning exactly what you know
05:30:42.300 alberta had gone through uh what we you know how it was formed right how we are calling in a colony
05:30:48.620 right and they didn't understand what that meant and so we went on forever but that was just you
05:30:53.680 know one experience and then uh other canvassers or sorry not yeah canvassers right basically going
05:31:00.320 out getting the signatures they you know they come back with stories right one lady came up to
05:31:04.920 this one fellow and he says you know i'm never going to sign right and i just want to know why
05:31:09.080 you're here and so he explains his look i make uh i think i make what is it uh just under $800
05:31:14.780 and i have to pay taxes on that right then my my old age security i get some more on it but not
05:31:21.940 very much maybe four hundred dollars whatever it was right the way because the way he had set up but
05:31:26.220 in the end he says you know what when alberta becomes its own independent country right we're
05:31:32.800 going to have the money to increase you know if you're already in a pension you're already you're
05:31:36.120 already going to be increasing your ways your uh old age security right so and so that being said
05:31:44.000 right she said okay i'll sign so it was a real quick quick thing right and you know uh we then
05:31:50.620 we had some people that were really you know not friendly and we've got a lot of
05:31:54.100 birds right but we quickly learned is everything's about attitude right and so
05:31:59.080 when these people would flip us the bird or whatever we just smile and wave right
05:32:03.340 because we know everybody has their own opinion and they have the right to that
05:32:06.280 opinion but the whole thing is we're here because we're bringing attention to
05:32:09.220 what needs to be changed you know in this province right and being around
05:32:16.180 people that are like-minded like it it just lifts your soul and it encourages
05:32:22.840 you encourages you just to do more right and so I don't think I've ever been this
05:32:29.520 dedicated to anything right and it's basically because I see a future for my
05:32:33.420 not only my children but my my grandchildren right I want to see them
05:32:37.480 have that bright future and what really stands out to me is the excitement
05:32:41.980 behind the likeness of the boston tea party and their independence because they had taxation
05:32:48.140 without representation and that's what we have here taxation without representation
05:32:53.180 and i think it was uh mcdonald and laurier our premiers at the time our prime ministers at the
05:32:59.420 time laurier actually came out and said that alberta is canada's first colony right and so
05:33:07.980 once you learn all this stuff you realize okay yeah maybe it's time we you
05:33:12.180 know say I'm glad you have your views over there but our views are different
05:33:15.600 and it's time to take care of ourselves right yeah and speaking about change
05:33:19.960 change isn't only a means of adjusting and growing over time but it's also a
05:33:26.120 synonym for money isn't it and we had to Alberta plug your site again yeah
05:33:37.800 absolutely unitedalbertaflags.com yes and and on there we can take interact we can take visa
05:33:45.140 credit card mastercard whatever works for you honestly because at this point it's a matter of
05:33:51.720 there are a lot of people that are volunteering there are a lot of people that are putting in
05:33:55.360 the time and the effort but it takes money to also make that happen it takes money to get the
05:33:59.860 signs for the lawn signs for jason's for cory for keith for tara for the different tpas that are
05:34:06.140 working takes money to get the flags out there we are all pouring our hearts and
05:34:11.120 our souls into this because as you just said we're absolutely committed this is
05:34:15.560 about not just us this is about the next generation this is about the future of
05:34:19.760 Albertans and honestly the future of Canadians too because I think it'll be a
05:34:23.360 good thing for Canada we've gotten ourselves into a pretty awkward spot
05:34:26.840 where that's the spot but so for our third-party advertiser to help make a
05:34:31.040 difference yet unitedalbertaflags.com otherwise if you go to albertatelefon.com as well all of
05:34:37.840 the different tpas that are being supported there's a drop down menu they made a fantastic
05:34:42.000 little website over the last couple days we've been part of the behind the scenes conversations
05:34:45.640 and know how much work some of these people have put in it's remarkable so remember though when
05:34:50.360 you do fill out on ours or any of the tpa sites or on the alberta telethon all of your personal
05:34:56.520 information is required you have to be a resident of alberta uh we do know of some tpas that are
05:35:02.200 going out of province but the rest of us we love alberta and we love albertans so we're going to
05:35:06.760 stick with albertans and we're going to stick with the alberta law i'll leave that for others to
05:35:10.280 interpret and when you go to uh sorry to interrupt go to albertatelefon.com um and you see your list
05:35:16.840 i think there's six tpas on there um just as a little update if anyone's interested we've got
05:35:21.720 at the latest numbers uh keith wilson and um and tanya's um uh let alberta decide is uh
05:35:29.640 damn near fifty thousand dollars raised today um we've got the alberta independent uh the women's
05:35:35.320 network uh they've got uh nearly ten thousand raised and uh cory morgan's group has a little 0.98
05:35:41.800 over eleven thousand raised like it's it's been a big day so far that's that's pretty awesome to see
05:35:46.440 yeah you know what guys i know like many of you some people are a little hesitant to donate
05:35:52.040 because you don't really see a lot of the impact from the donations that you make right away with
05:35:57.360 john's tpa here that flag that's going to be given to that family who wants to fly it in their front
05:36:02.260 yard or on their pole that's going to be there for years that's going to be there until the sun
05:36:06.940 finally makes it wear out so if you want to see an impact that not only is something physical but
05:36:12.280 something right away that will last long after this is all said and done donate to john united
05:36:18.680 alberta flags thank you amazing yeah all right well i think we have a few more minutes before
05:36:25.960 we got to kick you out here absolutely unfortunately john's got another appointment
05:36:29.240 so uh yeah fifth campaign stop of the day we were at a parade already we were at events handing out
05:36:35.000 flags we've been uh up and down uh and in fact i'll put a shout out as well uh my partner and
05:36:40.920 our chief financial officer were the ones that came up with the alberta independence float based
05:36:45.320 on what happened in sundry they shut down the pro rodeo parade because somebody was trying to fly
05:36:50.360 the alberta flag it was just egregious and that's when we said no we're going to go all in and this
05:36:54.760 is the way we're going to go all in so we built the alberta independence float it's got an eight
05:36:58.840 foot grain elevator a working oil jack animals and 20 foot flagpoles with alberta flags on it
05:37:04.520 and it gets its way around the province it's been to pinoka calgary edmonton all over the place
05:37:08.760 but she's taking it down to paul's pizza for later in the evening so we're dividing and
05:37:13.160 conquering tonight so kimberly will be down there so look out for her uh same shirt because we stick
05:37:18.440 together throughout this entire challenging ordeal uh so she'll be down there with the alberta 0.82
05:37:23.400 independence float and with some of our flags as well for the event wasn't there a city councilor
05:37:27.640 stealing your flags or something there was uh okay i wasn't sure if you guys would bring this
05:37:32.280 up or not not just was there there were two and our social media and our press releases cover off
05:37:40.320 the details and the facts of that there were denials then there was video evidence that came
05:37:44.320 forward as well so forever canadian participants and representatives were stealing alberta flags
05:37:49.320 that were part of our campaign and registered third-party advertiser material at this point
05:37:53.860 the last update we did have a meeting with the detachment commander they reviewed the facts and
05:37:59.740 talked to us about it they looked at it and especially with the politicization of not just
05:38:03.820 elections rules being broken but with city councillors uh the local detachment has elevated
05:38:10.060 it it's now under investigation at the central alberta rcmp investigations division and so with
05:38:16.600 that said i won't say anything more because it's obviously pretty deep right now yeah that's like
05:38:22.260 what what a gift in disguise what a blessing in disguise no no i don't think i don't think it is
05:38:27.640 and i'll tell you why i always i respect i've been involved in politics myself and i absolutely
05:38:32.660 respect other people having different opinions and we'd seen some of the banter that i thought
05:38:37.040 was too far on both sides earlier in the campaign on that day on july 1st we were at the beginning
05:38:42.440 of the parade and we were ahead of them but at the beginning marshalling area the floats are
05:38:45.960 beside each other we set ours up and i said to my kids just stay here because there has been some
05:38:50.820 i went over there with kimberly and we went over to say hello we went over to shake hands we went
05:38:56.820 over to take the high road and to be friendly and to show the community, our MLA was there,
05:39:00.900 others were there, to show the community you can be an independent supporter and a Forever Canada
05:39:04.980 and still have a respectful conversation. So we took the high road to go and do that.
05:39:09.000 And we did do that. And people in the community were talking about it on social media.
05:39:12.880 And we saw that. Look at the United Alberta flags and the
05:39:16.960 independent supporters going and talking to Forever Canada. This can happen in communities.
05:39:21.100 We had three more stops that day. I was a speaker down at Mirror, spoke after
05:39:24.660 Tamara and then we went down
05:39:27.020 to Calgary for a pancake breakfast
05:39:28.640 kicking open the
05:39:30.160 stampede and that's when we started getting
05:39:32.840 phone calls back from the community. People were coming
05:39:34.880 and saying we witnessed this, we witnessed this
05:39:36.980 and I said there's no way. I said
05:39:38.840 it's too much so we brought it back
05:39:40.980 and at this point I'm going to say
05:39:42.740 it's in the hands of the RCMP and
05:39:44.840 it's in process. We did talk to Elections Alberta
05:39:46.840 too. John you've got
05:39:48.860 a minute before you got
05:39:50.880 to run so we'll plug you again
05:39:52.940 unitedalbertaflags.com thank you for what you're doing sir um where can people find you on the
05:39:58.020 road next do you have a schedule for the next few days like do you know where you'll be uh there's
05:40:02.120 so many things going on so yesterday we were with jason levine and red deer we were in rimby this
05:40:07.120 morning we were at pigeon lake with tasquin leduc we are we've been down on calgary for the last
05:40:11.780 couple weeks we are going to try and focus on the capital region and edmonton over the next couple
05:40:16.560 days call on like days is going on there's all kinds of different events sometimes our schedule
05:40:20.720 changes dynamically and pretty quickly listen if you see a parade float coming down the road with
05:40:26.140 20 foot alberta flags on it and people handing out stickers handing out flags and we can take
05:40:30.960 donations and we can get you big flags for your house as well you're going to see us all over
05:40:35.000 the place follow us on social media follow us on x united underscore ab underscore flags and
05:40:41.980 on facebook you can find us as well and from our website you can make a donation and if i wanted
05:40:46.680 flag? How do I get a hold of you? You want to text me because I know you have my number. I've got
05:40:51.260 some in the truck right now. Absolutely. You can email us at unitedalbertaflags.com, but on our
05:40:59.060 website, there's a form to donate. There's also a form to get a free flag. So it's in there. It
05:41:03.780 comes right into our phone. We've got a database of them. We're hitting communities as quick as we
05:41:07.640 can. We dropped some off in Sherwood Park today in Leduc, in Wetaskiwin, at Pigeon Lake. There's
05:41:12.340 some going down to Calgary for somebody else to pick up and distribute as well.
05:41:15.420 Awesome. Awesome. Thank you, sir.
05:41:17.340 You're welcome. Thank you, guys.
05:41:18.580 Right on.
05:41:22.400 A referendum is one of the simplest and most direct expressions of the democratic will of the people.
05:41:30.180 Even the Supreme Court of Canada has been clear on this point, and this cannot be ignored.
05:41:36.520 Albertans are law-abiding people.
05:41:39.140 We do not rush change.
05:41:40.740 But when change becomes necessary, we meet it responsibly.
05:41:45.820 And we all know why this moment has arrived.
05:41:48.860 We see it in our daily lives, in rising costs, declining services,
05:41:55.620 and growing distrust in institutions meant to serve the public.
05:42:00.380 Do you agree that the province of Alberta shall cease to be a part of Canada to become an independent state?
05:42:10.740 That question is directly out of the Clarity Act.
05:42:16.900 The word state does not mean 51st state.
05:42:20.300 So that is what it is.
05:42:21.720 It means that we will become an independent country on our own.
05:42:25.620 Monday night in Calgary, this is fantastic.
05:42:31.600 Over 150 of your fellow Albertans got their canvassing badges, went through the canvassing
05:42:38.460 training and made sure that nobody had to stand out in the cold for more than five or ten minutes.
05:42:44.700 So if you're tired of being dismissed, of being told to comply without question,
05:42:51.020 tired of being silenced, this is your moment. I am inviting all of you to make your voices heard
05:42:59.420 clearly, confidently, and so that Ottawa hears it once and for all.
05:43:29.420 so that was awesome and just for the record we'd like to get everyone else's opinion right now
05:43:36.940 who has a better backdrop was it the calgary boys or was it us because you guys know who
05:43:42.560 got the better backdrop just super chat uh super chat unacceptable fringe and tell them that it's
05:43:47.920 us and he'll donate all your super chats to tpas so amazing wow what a gentleman exactly a scholar
05:43:54.520 So, we are very, very pleased to be joined by Miss Kathy Flett, friend of the channels, returning guest, hasn't gotten sick of us yet.
05:44:04.100 Never.
05:44:05.060 And I can't even remember what your title is, actually, for the Women's Independence Network. 0.65
05:44:11.920 Oh, well, the TPA is the Alberta Women for Earth Independence.
05:44:16.820 But your title within, you know, president?
05:44:20.200 I'm the CFO, so I want everybody to keep me as busy as possible.
05:44:24.520 That's the deal, okay?
05:44:26.060 I want to be going nonstop here for the next few days.
05:44:29.600 Well, it feels like you've been going nonstop for years, actually.
05:44:32.020 Maybe you can give our viewers a little bit of a background of your history within the movement.
05:44:38.420 Yeah, so I started about seven years ago in 2019 when the whole Wexit thing exploded and came on the stage.
05:44:45.820 And I was part of that, and that's where I got to meet Michael Wagner, who you guys are going to talk to after,
05:44:49.880 and made some other really great friends along the way.
05:44:51.680 and then that exploded as quick as it went up it came down and then through a series of events I
05:44:59.020 was with the Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta and that exploded and so then I sat down and went
05:45:04.620 well now what am I going to do and we were on right on the cusp of having a provincial election
05:45:11.200 in 2023 so I thought well what if I run as an independent candidate I'm not going to win but
05:45:17.460 I'll never learn anything quite this quickly any other way so I ran my friend Angela ran as well
05:45:24.580 she ran down in in Cardston where she lives and we worked our asses off and of course lost never
05:45:31.380 worked so hard to lose in all my life but I learned so much and what I learned by doing that is that
05:45:36.520 the independence movement was alive and well as I was door knocking that's what people were talking
05:45:40.700 about I went okay we've got to figure this out we've got to sort something out so after we slept
05:45:45.740 for about a week um we got back together and angela came to me and said you know what i have
05:45:50.480 an idea and i said that's frightening okay what is your idea because they're always really good
05:45:55.900 ideas when angela's talking and uh she says who's missing all the time in this in this movement like
05:46:02.340 every meeting that we go to who's missing and uh i said i don't know like i don't i don't know and
05:46:09.840 She said, the women.
05:46:11.860 We are always outnumbered by the men, easy two to one, every single time.
05:46:17.040 There's something wrong. 1.00
05:46:18.100 The message is not getting through to the women in a way that they can understand it.
05:46:21.600 I think we need to reach out to the women. 0.99
05:46:23.440 And I was like, I think you're nuts. 0.86
05:46:25.460 Like, I don't know about this. 0.78
05:46:26.820 But anyways, long story short, we came up with a message specific for women. 0.78
05:46:33.020 And out we went. 0.98
05:46:34.360 And we started doing home parties because a lot of the women, they didn't want to go to the rallies. 1.00
05:46:37.920 The rallies are fun, but they didn't want to go to the rallies. 1.00
05:46:40.420 And if you looked at who would come up to the mic, very few women would go to the mic. 0.96
05:46:44.440 There are some exceptions to the norm, but they weren't the norm. 0.97
05:46:47.000 It was always the guys.
05:46:48.220 And so we started having these home meetings all around the province, and then it worked.
05:46:54.240 It just exploded.
05:46:55.380 And the message was so good, I guess, that the guys crashed our parties.
05:46:59.420 They kept wanting to come in and go, well, what are you guys talking about? 1.00
05:47:02.440 Well, that's where all the ladies are. 1.00
05:47:03.660 Right, I guess, yeah, and the food, and the food. 1.00
05:47:06.500 and and so then it went from there and then that message got out and the next
05:47:11.000 thing I know I'm I'm sharing the stage with all the folks with from HPP saying
05:47:15.620 well we want to hear what you're talking about so I put together a slideshow and
05:47:18.800 said all right so now I'm in front of hundreds of people and then it was
05:47:21.800 supposed to be stay free as well but then that went kind of crazy with the
05:47:24.500 whole signature thing because some rules we didn't know what they were and what
05:47:27.440 they weren't but it still continued and then let's talk said hey we want you to
05:47:31.100 come with us like okay let's go and so we just kept going and then we kept
05:47:34.820 doing these home meetings and then this happened and Angela and I had a decision to make because
05:47:41.340 we're simply just two women who won't shut up and if we chose to keep talking the way that we were
05:47:47.820 we could be kind of violating some boundaries as to what's allowed and what's not allowed as far
05:47:53.100 as advertising goes because we're also very opinionated in what we're saying so we decided 0.98
05:47:57.400 you know what let's just jump in let's start our own tpa let's let everybody know the women are 0.99
05:48:02.660 here we do make up 50% of the population despite what the progressive might like
05:48:06.900 to think otherwise and this is as important to us as it is to you guys and
05:48:11.840 we're just we're having way too much fun but it's good well we're thrilled to
05:48:16.160 have you here now who's who's this gentleman beside you well he's amazing
05:48:21.860 I'm here representing my son actually he's the one who's come up with a lot of this stuff
05:48:27.620 I've been just kind of you know helping him out in the background a lot of this
05:48:30.860 stuff and i have to say though you know and sorry to all the other people but your sign is one of
05:48:36.760 my favorites and i think we spoke about that yeah you did yeah um i like how you laid it out with
05:48:41.240 all the questions and everything on there and um that that's one of the things and also like i've
05:48:45.780 come to some of your uh handout locations and you guys are picking some very prime locations and
05:48:51.480 red in people's faces and everyone gets to see that and that's really wonderful thank you i really
05:48:56.460 really like what you guys are doing with that for sure and i've gotten to meet you a few times i
05:49:01.120 think here and there in passing maybe you know um you gave me a pin we gave you okay good
05:49:07.120 that that's been my sense thing you know we've been trying to go around alberta
05:49:11.060 and just pin as many albertans as we can um and that that was our our initial our initial like
05:49:19.820 You know, we tried to put Alberta flags in stores that support independence.
05:49:26.020 And now we're going to be moving towards putting buckets of pins in stores that support Alberta independence as well.
05:49:33.240 So if you're a store out there that supports Alberta independence, hit us up and we'll send you a bucket of pins.
05:49:38.820 Where can they find you?
05:49:40.400 Albertapin.ca is where we are.
05:49:43.820 Unacceptable Fringe was the one who usually talked to us about us a lot and kind of got our name out there a bit.
05:49:49.500 and we kind of just ran with it my son has been trying to uh start the youngest tpa in history
05:49:57.700 which we were hoping to have set up by today but we've come a few across a few uh you know
05:50:03.860 speed bumps i guess you could say and uh not surprising but it's okay i mean i'm happy he's
05:50:08.300 coming across these speed bumps he needs to see that uh this is what we're trying to navigate
05:50:12.740 and how old is he your son he's 18 right now so this is gonna be the youngest tpa in history
05:50:19.480 So what does an 18-year-old think about Alberta independence?
05:50:22.680 Because we're all old men.
05:50:24.640 I'm not.
05:50:26.700 And one very young woman.
05:50:29.260 Three old men and a young woman at this table right now.
05:50:31.820 I think I'm pretty young.
05:50:33.060 Someone once said to me, hey, are you the son?
05:50:35.180 I said, yeah, I'm the son.
05:50:36.360 I think Dad's somewhere over there.
05:50:38.320 So I feel pretty young.
05:50:40.160 You don't look like you have an 18-year-old son.
05:50:41.820 I will say that.
05:50:42.720 But what does he think?
05:50:44.000 Is he unique in his friend group?
05:50:46.400 or is this like does he are 18 year old boys like 18 year old young men i guess what do they have to
05:50:52.360 say about independence so and again i really admire everything he's accomplished at this point
05:50:57.440 and i see where he's going with it uh there's a lot of great people in this movement that are
05:51:01.580 doing a lot of good work and some of that work he's not going to try to touch because it's already
05:51:05.980 being done like you had keith today talking about some of the stuff he's doing you got jeff he's
05:51:10.860 killing it in court for us so there's three main points that he's going to be trying to focus on
05:51:17.820 on a youth program and initially it's going to be you know jobs and opportunities kids need to be
05:51:24.140 able to you know have affordable schooling where they can get qualifications that they can use at
05:51:30.500 home here and not take these qualifications and fly overseas where the money currently is
05:51:36.360 unfortunately. I know his second thing that he wants to focus on is going to be an affordable
05:51:43.580 future for these children. You know, building a legacy starts with a home. And if you can't afford
05:51:48.520 a home for another 20 years, kids aren't going to be thinking about building families and leaving
05:51:53.220 that legacy behind. That's very important for him. And I know that the third point, which should be
05:51:59.480 the first point for him, is going to be one of his main topics, is the voices and engagement that the
05:52:06.040 youth will have when it comes to this vote that's coming up in october so he's already kind of met
05:52:12.600 a bit of hurdles with elections alberta and trying to register his tpa they said his name
05:52:18.600 was too close to another name which it was based on opinion fact what we were told so
05:52:26.040 you know she said keep your head up adapt overcome and continue to push forward um he's going to be
05:52:34.040 kind of trying to stay away from town halls because like i said so many people are already
05:52:37.600 mastering that so he's going to be trying to engage with the youth through things like you
05:52:42.840 know he wants to put on a bike-a-thon where you know trying to keep them active canoe trips
05:52:47.960 camping trips and really grow that movement so that come october 19th you have you know maybe
05:52:54.620 hopefully a record set of youth that are engaging in our democratic democratic process that we're
05:53:01.460 having right now so amazing while we're still trying to put a pin on every
05:53:04.900 Albertan and I think it was a while ago I remember seeing on X when elections
05:53:13.360 Alberta came out and said that Thomas Lukasik's forever Canadian essentially
05:53:19.420 doesn't qualify as a TPA or doesn't isn't required to register as a TPA I
05:53:23.460 remember your son was a little relieved at the time because he didn't have to
05:53:27.060 register Alberta PIN initially as a TPA. Right, our understanding, his
05:53:32.500 understanding is that as long as you're not talking about the vote on your
05:53:35.100 website and stuff like that or what the options are then essentially you're not
05:53:40.120 a TPA. It's when you start to touch that area and that's what he wants to try to
05:53:43.920 achieve by registering the TPA is to be able to touch on these things you know
05:53:48.300 and be a bit more so you can have both hats this way we can have both hats this
05:53:51.900 way and then you know when October 19 is done then we're not done we can
05:53:55.680 continue to exist and continue to be there as an auxiliary to freedom
05:53:59.540 essentially you know while all the hard work continues to happen behind the
05:54:04.020 scenes. Kathy what is your, I'm just switching gears from the youth maybe to
05:54:11.040 women in Alberta, what are some of the main hurdles that you are having to
05:54:17.860 overcome with women when you're talking about independence? Women tend to be very 1.00
05:54:23.280 risk averse and this is in their minds pretty risky and it kind of is right we 1.00
05:54:28.100 don't know what's on the other side of it and so the biggest hurdle is well
05:54:33.040 what does this look like for my kids right my youth what does this look like
05:54:37.440 for my kids what does this look like for my grandkids what am i what am i
05:54:40.200 signing them up for and am i ready to do that does that make sense what does
05:54:44.760 this mean for our schools what does this mean for health care all the social
05:54:47.220 things that we tend to look after as women what does this mean for my
05:54:52.020 community? What does this mean for my church? And like, well, I don't know, it might mean that your
05:54:55.460 pastor can actually preach because in Canada, that's becoming a thing of the past. And so those
05:55:00.640 are the hurdles and helping them to get their heads wrapped around that, okay, we can do this.
05:55:05.720 This is okay. And the other hurdle is that a lot of people think that we can't. For whatever reason
05:55:12.780 that they've got in their heads, they think that we can't, that it's a brick wall. And so then we
05:55:18.000 walk them through, well, this is actually how Canada became a country, and this is actually
05:55:22.380 how Alberta became a province, and this is what the numbers look like now, when you look
05:55:26.860 at the MPs and at the Senate, and so when you look at these numbers, what do you notice?
05:55:31.880 Well, immediately you notice that the East has a hell of a lot more than we do, and then
05:55:36.060 we explain to them why that is and why that can't change, and so if that can't change, 0.98
05:55:40.820 then we're going to have to change, and how do you think we can do that? Because we can't
05:55:44.780 fix this we want to we're women we like to fix everything we fix our hair we fix dinner we fix
05:55:50.160 our husbands we fix everything and so once once we get them to that point like no you can't fix it
05:55:55.760 honey you just can't so what's our next option how are we going to protect our babies and then 0.97
05:56:01.520 boom it's like all right and then the mama bears come out and we're ready to rumble and speaking
05:56:06.820 about change for anyone just tuning into the stream i made a really funny joke about half an
05:56:14.800 hour ago change is it means so many things and it means also money and so of course we're here
05:56:20.100 to raise some money today so let's do a little plug for albertatelefon.com i don't have any
05:56:25.160 updated numbers but i can only imagine we've at least triple or quadrupled our intake since we've
05:56:30.900 gone on yeah i mean calgary did a great job but like look at the studio here guys look at the
05:56:35.480 Look at the general, look at the good-looking guests that we have on the show.
05:56:39.720 For those of you who don't know, we literally set this up in eight hours.
05:56:43.400 We did great.
05:56:45.420 Yeah, albertatelethon.com, guys, six TPAs there.
05:56:49.280 Kathy, do you want to plug the full name
05:56:52.780 and also where people can view outside of Alberta Telethon?
05:56:56.540 Sure.
05:56:57.060 So Alberta Women for Independence is the full name.
05:57:00.960 It's a long one, so go to albertatelethon.com and find us and click the link.
05:57:05.480 So abwomenindependencenetwork.com is our website.
05:57:10.520 And so everybody knows what your money will go to with us is lawn signs.
05:57:14.980 We've got a bunch because people are asking for them.
05:57:17.160 I think, and anybody correct me if I'm wrong,
05:57:20.580 but I think we're the only ones covering all the questions.
05:57:23.020 Okay.
05:57:23.560 So we do, and in our presentations, we've tweaked it up a little bit
05:57:27.200 that we talk about the first nine that the government put out,
05:57:29.740 and this is what they say. 0.98
05:57:31.100 This is how convoluted and confusing and ridiculous they are. 0.97
05:57:33.820 But this is what they mean.
05:57:35.480 And this is why we think you should vote yes and then we go to question 10 the referendum on a referendum. So we go through all of that
05:57:42.140 So yeah, you're gonna go towards lawn signs and we do a lot of travel
05:57:46.200 I'm not saying the others don't they do we're still doing the home
05:57:50.180 meetings and we're just calling it politics on the patio because it's 30,000 degrees outside and and
05:57:57.320 Carbon tax was supposed to do something about that, but here we are
05:57:59.640 are. Maybe we just need more. It's supposed to be a Super El Nino this year. I'm very disappointed
05:58:05.380 Super El Nino. You've let me down. Get that carbon capture sorted out. But yeah so anyways it goes
05:58:12.180 towards a lot of travel. Today I was in Red Deer this morning doing some stuff down there and next
05:58:18.660 week we're traveling up north. We're going to be in Grand Prairie and Fairview and High Prairie
05:58:22.360 before we come back down and so that's what your money is going towards. I put so many kilometers
05:58:27.120 on my last vehicle i got a new one so now i'm ready to mile that one out too and i want everybody
05:58:31.120 to keep us busy if you want to have that smaller meeting in your house there's no limit to the
05:58:35.600 number of people we don't care because those five people that show up will go and tell five others
05:58:40.240 we just want to keep the conversation going so let me keep putting miles on my car and let's
05:58:44.960 let's get this done and when kathy has to get a new car she'll unfortunately have to get something
05:58:49.680 from outside the province and if you are watching from outside the province and want to support
05:58:53.920 Alberta independence you can't don't but you can buy from Alberta pins because they have got some
05:59:01.520 amazing stuff going on so tell us a little bit more about which your merch you got right now
05:59:05.120 well Alberta pin has shipped and sold things all across Canada and even in the United States we
05:59:10.560 get emails from you know all over Canada people telling us hey don't forget about us when you get
05:59:15.200 your independence Alberta's independence is just the beginning you know and it's a milestone to
05:59:21.040 what's to come next and you know we can we show off this flag yeah of course uh so i've said this
05:59:28.100 on uh on on john's uh podcast on his youtube channel if you look at the original flag the
05:59:35.000 river flows from west to east just like your money so we came up with this uh james came up
05:59:41.660 with this new flag where you know if you're looking at the mountain the true depiction of
05:59:45.320 the river flows towards you just like our resources should and the north stands free
05:59:49.960 representing alberta because alberta is the north essentially you know uh we pay for everything so
05:59:56.120 and and just just the golden black hoping to play on the home and away one day and
06:00:00.920 hopefully maybe the oilers if you guys are watching
06:00:05.480 and uh and that's it just like we try to make it in kind of almost corner the market for
06:00:10.040 affordability when it comes to being able to show alberta pride you know and that was the main the
06:00:16.920 main goal right um when independence happens that people are wearing our pin every year on
06:00:22.360 independence day that that's our goal you know so honestly what i really want is that hat that's
06:00:27.880 just awesome isn't it that's a beautiful hat yeah so and the jersey too the the jerseys are finally
06:00:34.200 available now that this was like you know through special requests people see like we wear uniforms
06:00:39.000 all the time we got hockey jerseys or something people saw us in those baseball jerseys and
06:00:42.920 started like you need to make me one you need to make me one so uh we got together with uh
06:00:47.800 unacceptable fringe and we were trying to work something out and so uh now you're gonna have
06:00:52.200 the home in a way again like we're doing everything yeah and this is now available
06:00:56.120 for everybody on albertapen.ca if you're looking watching um but the hat the hat that you speak of
06:01:03.480 actually um it's it's the golden cap this hat is lined in with a golden interior and there's
06:01:10.200 currently only 25 people who have this hat this hat is not for sale this hat is in recognition
06:01:15.880 of people who are doing outstanding work like you guys are and we hope to continue to grow the golden
06:01:21.560 cap momentum as much as we can keep up obviously it's it's just my son and myself doing this so
06:01:29.160 but uh you are two people that we definitely had in mind for the golden cap and i wish i came a
06:01:35.000 a little more prepared I that's cool I did my hair today anyway so I could I literally could
06:01:41.820 that's exactly what I was gonna say you know we'd golden cap you but I don't think you want to like
06:01:46.280 that's a nice flow right I wear the hat because there's not much under there so
06:01:50.040 I'll hit you up when it starts going to go back on what you guys are talking about in elections
06:01:56.900 Alberta and Thomas Lukasik and his TPA you know one of the questions my son asked when he called
06:02:02.240 uh elections albertas like hey is it difficult to report they're like no absolutely not and we'll
06:02:08.760 help you through it and as a matter of fact just to kind of give you a heads up if you don't report
06:02:13.300 we're gonna fine you five hundred dollars a week so you know if you add up the amount of money
06:02:19.040 that's already been spent uh with the kilometers that's been put on that bus with the signs that
06:02:24.820 have been printed uh with the buttons that they're giving away the magnets that they're doing
06:02:28.780 you know and you times with how many weeks are left over it'd be very easy for him to afford
06:02:34.760 500 bucks a week to not be compliant and you know i'm not saying that that's what's happening
06:02:40.080 but it's well it's interesting because i i remember hearing they am saying that thomas
06:02:47.320 lukazic kept all the lists that he was supposed to destroy because the fine was only fifty thousand
06:02:52.320 dollars and that's why they bumped it up to half a million dollars after that so for those of you
06:02:58.220 might have been involved in uh forever canada your information might be in a private server somewhere
06:03:03.820 being potentially being shared with others we're talking about someone who's extremely smart on
06:03:09.260 paper yet at every uh injunction he says i didn't know i didn't know i didn't know what was going to
06:03:16.780 lead to this i don't know it's going to lead to that so it's becoming a bit deceptive and
06:03:21.900 convenient maybe you know we're navigating it feels like a corrupted system to leave a corrupted
06:03:26.620 system and like you said we have to have fun with it we can have fun with it and just keep our heads
06:03:32.900 up keep smiling like jeff smiling and we're gonna get to where we're gonna get to what do they say
06:03:37.460 if you don't laugh you'll cry right yeah kathy what's your experience been with working with
06:03:41.640 elections alberta to the extent that you have has it been has it been a pain has it been time
06:03:46.160 off for a second elections alberta we love you and support you here and you can head to alberta
06:03:51.500 telethon elections Alberta you're great we have no complaints at all and I can
06:03:56.900 actually say that I can actually say that okay because when I was when I was
06:04:02.540 also working with political parties like real registered political parties I got
06:04:07.440 to know elections Alberta because I had inherited a bit of a mess that required
06:04:10.940 some cleaning so I literally had them on speed dial okay and they were fantastic
06:04:14.260 fantastic to deal with and this go-around I haven't had any trouble okay
06:04:18.980 at all so i i think it i don't know what it depends on i don't i don't know what the deal is
06:04:24.420 but it's been it's been really good for us and i think at the end of the day what i love the most
06:04:30.900 about this movement is that regardless what the other side tries to throw at us this is the
06:04:35.780 legitimate we're in it to get in it together right like we are all pulling the rope in the same
06:04:40.260 direction we all know one another we're all friends we're all like go support whoever it
06:04:44.180 doesn't matter like give everybody 20 bucks who cares or whatever however much don't don't go
06:04:48.180 over the 5 000 though no but you're like just support everybody and that's why they can't beat
06:04:53.940 us because we're united and it's again i go i hearken back i often talk about that game of
06:05:00.820 whack-a-mole they can't take us all out there's too many and there's more popping up all the time
06:05:05.980 so this is a good thing this is a really good thing and i want to circle back something you
06:05:10.360 said about um being really good for for canada because others might follow right when i did a
06:05:16.360 saskatchewan tour not very long ago and i did a little talking tour over there when i told them
06:05:23.320 you know i'm not kidding when i say and i'm not even exaggerating when i say every meeting i go
06:05:28.280 to inevitably somebody will ask is saskatchewan coming with us every time and there were tears
06:05:36.280 in the room because it was like yeah man we're not leaving you behind if you want to don't don't
06:05:40.840 make our mistakes just pick up where we are right now learn from us let us help you and let's go
06:05:45.880 forward and that went that went a long long way for the folks that were over there so it could
06:05:51.200 happen it could be a domino effect where okay Alberta goes Saskia goes Quebec goes like whatever
06:05:56.280 and that will actually save the people and I think that's why we have to do this we do some walks in
06:06:05.280 the parks on Saturday to touch on this every Saturday around two o'clock we just go kind of
06:06:09.940 walk around the dog park with the dog and stuff like that and we meet people and talk to them
06:06:13.420 and we met a lovely lady one time and she said to us you know if you get independence I'm out
06:06:19.720 I'm moving away I'm going to Manitoba and me and my son were talking and I think the reality is
06:06:25.800 you know if people were to move away from Alberta because they're unhappy with independence do you
06:06:30.560 know how many people would be like well I'm fed up and I'm moving to Alberta or how do you feel
06:06:36.280 right now where you're like man I'm done with this place I want to leave but you got nowhere to go
06:06:42.200 Alberta is going to be the place to go yeah and so for whatever we lose we're going to gain
06:06:46.780 that's happening now I learned I met someone today when I was at the Red Deer Farmers Market
06:06:51.540 I met a couple who just moved here from BC because of this they said we can't vote in
06:06:57.460 October because we didn't get here fast enough but we can vote in the next one we'll be here
06:07:02.080 long enough for that and I was like great on do you want a long sign because you can still do that
06:07:06.240 yeah it's fascinating because i think when czechoslovakia separated from two countries
06:07:13.760 into or sorry one country to two they ended up having only about three percent of people move
06:07:20.080 well if three percent of nd peers leave alberta that's going to be like about like you know maybe
06:07:28.240 50 000 people ish give or take if three percent of canadians who are more conservative decide to
06:07:34.400 to come to alberta that's going to be in the hundreds of thousands so there's definitely
06:07:37.760 going to be way more people coming in than we'll ever leave and it's going to be the right people
06:07:41.740 coming in the people who want the values that we have and i mean like if you want if you have
06:07:46.000 liberal values like that's fine you can go live in a liberal country and that's your choice but
06:07:50.880 alberta we want to choose to be free because we want to choose our own values we want to choose
06:07:55.400 the values that have provided us prosperity up until this point and we know would provide us
06:07:59.800 prosperity going well into the future. And if you are Albertan, reminder that only Albertans
06:08:05.100 can go to albertatelethon.com and donate to one of our amazing TPAs. Keep in mind, please
06:08:14.280 fill out the forms with as much detail as it asks, because as much as Elections Alberta has been
06:08:22.060 maybe, you know, relatively pleasant to deal with for some people, you don't want your donation
06:08:25.560 going to them you want to go into the tpa of your choice so fill the information out properly i
06:08:30.160 believe it's um anything under fifty dollars doesn't need information correct if it's between
06:08:36.240 fifty and five hundred or five thousand five thousand it needs the info it needs your info
06:08:41.240 so yeah don't let's let's not you know give any money away unnecessarily um and uh i wanted to
06:08:47.860 actually just make a quick comment too i learned this fact from adam uh from i can't remember his
06:08:53.540 last name from army of good men yeah he was saying you know how uh liberal california is
06:08:58.760 maybe you guys know this stat and california is nowhere near ever you know in recent you know
06:09:04.400 history electing a republican um if you subtract alberta and saskatchewan from canada from our
06:09:11.240 last federal election the rest of canada voted 64 percent liberal yeah left left leaning liberal or
06:09:18.460 NDP. California only voted 57% Democrat. So the rest of Canada minus Alberta and Saskatchewan
06:09:26.760 is many points higher than even California is liberal. Like that's so liberal. And like you
06:09:34.040 said, I mean, fundamentally at a personal level, I got no problem with anyone. You know, I have
06:09:40.560 liberal family members. We all have liberal family members that, you know, we love them.
06:09:44.840 Maybe we think them as maybe a little gullible or naive or whatever.
06:09:49.340 But the fact is they're here.
06:09:50.460 They exist.
06:09:51.420 And it's our job, and God bless you for what you're doing in your work in the TPA
06:09:56.100 and your work as well, in educating people on why we're not just a bunch of mean, redneck,
06:10:01.960 you know, what's the term, ditch billies.
06:10:04.580 I've never heard it before.
06:10:06.660 I don't want to.
06:10:07.500 I'll have to look it up sometime.
06:10:08.540 Maybe it's even lower than a hillbilly, I guess.
06:10:10.360 but uh you know we're we're actually quite nice people and we just want more prosperity for our
06:10:17.640 family and our future right um how much time do we have before i can't recall do we have you till
06:10:22.840 seven yeah as long as you want doesn't matter to me oh fantastic okay so we've got we've got to
06:10:29.140 think five minutes before we do a switch um can you maybe give us like a five five four and a
06:10:34.580 half minute um what is it what does the process look like if somebody contacts you and wants to
06:10:39.400 do one of your uh a porch party before we do that i do have one thing i'd like to bring up with
06:10:44.300 please please so oh no most people don't know but uh there's a facebook group called alberta
06:10:50.620 independence that's true it's got about 120 000 members yeah and kathy and i are the ones who do
06:10:56.800 all the work validating all those memberships we're admins on those teams and it's been an
06:11:02.400 absolute roller coaster of an adventure it really has yeah yeah yeah i'm the one who's i'm a bit
06:11:07.780 sticky if you haven't answered the questions i probably won't approve you because i don't have
06:11:12.260 patience for them yeah but that's me i'm gonna sorry i gotta interrupt for one minute oh i'm
06:11:19.020 gonna bring it right back to you okay we have a note yeah we have a note we have to mention on air
06:11:22.800 um sheila from out of the alberta's choice tpa yeah ezra and tamara leach right now
06:11:27.840 are at the gas city campground distributing signs until 8 p.m tonight nice get over there
06:11:33.360 yep get over there gas city camera i don't know if we mentioned the party at paul's pizza
06:11:37.920 yeah oh crap there's tons of people there apparently yeah angela's there yeah paul's
06:11:43.040 pizza and airdrie yes head on over there that's where the party is we'll be switching to them at
06:11:48.640 eight o'clock so you can be in the stream if you are there in time so so sorry continue yeah so
06:11:56.400 we've been doing that now for over a year together we've had some moderators come and go yeah but
06:12:01.600 honestly the people the the number of requests we get every day is anywhere from like 50 to 500.
06:12:07.440 That's right. And we have to go and manually vet these people and you know maybe like one percent
06:12:11.680 of them are like bots and stuff like that so we kick them out. But most people who are coming
06:12:16.800 there are coming there and we get one of the questions is why are you interested in this
06:12:23.200 movement? Right. And Pete the the the answers we get sometimes are so touching. People talking about
06:12:28.800 you know wanting their future for their kids their grandkids being tired of ottawa's choices
06:12:34.120 and stuff like that and so many people are coming and say hey i used to be a staunch uh and you know
06:12:40.280 supporter of staying in canada but the what mark carney has done for the last six months
06:12:46.100 has made me realize we're on the sinking ship yeah yeah how's it been for you same same and
06:12:51.580 and i love the ones where it's my wife told me to good wife keep her um yeah it has been that
06:13:00.140 it has been that there's been a lot of emotion in those answers that i wanted it to work it does
06:13:05.500 it's not going to i see it now i just want to be around like-minded where i work i can't talk to
06:13:10.460 anybody about this that kind of a thing and so they're coming now to this online community on
06:13:15.580 facebook to participate in the conversation with others there's some who go down there and say i
06:13:21.260 I haven't decided yet, but I want to find some answers.
06:13:24.620 And so, yeah, come on in.
06:13:26.080 Let's get you some answers.
06:13:27.200 Let's see what we can, let's keep that conversation going.
06:13:29.940 And it's been really good.
06:13:31.900 It's been really good, yeah.
06:13:33.000 And honestly, we let anybody in who answers the questions is obviously from Canada,
06:13:37.880 or especially if they're from Alberta, regardless of what side you're on.
06:13:40.980 I mean, but when people come in, sometimes they'll just make it like, 1.00
06:13:44.120 you guys are a bunch of idiot hillbillies, ditch billies, ditch billies. 1.00
06:13:47.480 That's the nice one. 1.00
06:13:48.280 Yeah, they go and do that.
06:13:49.540 Well, that's going to get you bad.
06:13:50.920 Yeah.
06:13:51.260 Yeah, you're out.
06:13:52.460 You're out.
06:13:53.020 And it's been great because in those groups,
06:13:54.440 we get such a variety of discussion.
06:13:56.360 And that's the biggest thing is like we have such a variety of people
06:14:00.620 who are supporting Alberta for various reasons.
06:14:02.340 I remember one time we did a poll on there and we had said,
06:14:06.820 what's your primary reason for wanting Alberta independence?
06:14:09.160 And we put in taxation with our representation, equalization payments,
06:14:13.580 the culture war with Ottawa, all these different reasons.
06:14:17.620 And we got the list.
06:14:19.040 And the number one complaint was equalization.
06:14:22.080 That was the number one thing that most Albertans had an issue with.
06:14:25.560 And you were only allowed to select one answer is one thing that we did.
06:14:28.540 So I brought that to Mitch Sylvester.
06:14:31.340 And he was surprised because he thought it would be the cultural stuff.
06:14:35.860 Because for him, that's what is the biggest issue that he's currently facing.
06:14:41.460 He wasn't expecting equalization to be the number one thing that bothers Albertans about the system.
06:14:46.340 which to me is interesting because that's something that could be fixed by the federal
06:14:50.780 government but they never will no well yeah and that's the symptom right equalization is a perfect
06:14:56.640 symptom james had started a golden hotline on tiktok asking people to call in with their reasons
06:15:04.380 and leave a voicemail on the voicemail that he had set up and one of the main reasons that he
06:15:09.400 was getting was young people are saying i'm scared that they're going to offer my parents made
06:15:14.120 you know and that that was one of the the for us one of the oh my god one of the leading exactly
06:15:19.740 and some people that were leaving the messages were almost in tears when they were saying that
06:15:22.920 stuff it was like something i hadn't even thought of like you know we're upset with maid but these
06:15:28.580 young kids are scared that their parents are going to get offered maid and they're going to be too
06:15:32.020 proud to you know try to leave their kids with with their disability or something like that right
06:15:39.100 Wow.
06:15:40.220 Mark, we're going to sub Mr. Wagner in shortly here.
06:15:45.340 Do you want to do another plug for your son's future TPA?
06:15:49.760 And then we'll do a transition.
06:15:50.820 His current TPA was called Forever Free,
06:15:55.020 which we were told the name resembles too much of another TPA.
06:15:58.340 The other TPA that it resembled too much was Stay Free Alberto.
06:16:02.800 I know you wouldn't have guessed that.
06:16:04.540 I will say that when I jumped on today to donate,
06:16:07.320 I saw that Stay Free Alberta's website
06:16:09.800 they've gotten so much donations
06:16:11.680 that it's actually, they're asking you to just
06:16:13.700 leave your information if you still want to donate to them
06:16:15.700 as long as you're in Alberta
06:16:16.780 I do have
06:16:19.780 one question before I give my plug
06:16:21.480 if we get freedom, will you
06:16:23.880 take the mask off?
06:16:25.800 Oh heck yeah, if we get freedom
06:16:26.840 Then I won't have to worry
06:16:29.200 Then I'll give you the hat
06:16:30.700 There's 25 of those, there's only one of these
06:16:37.360 But if you see us at any event,
06:16:39.020 we're usually walking around with a yellow bucket.
06:16:40.780 We're giving out free pins.
06:16:41.860 If you can't get to us and you want to have a pin,
06:16:44.240 just head over to albertapin.ca
06:16:45.740 and pick yourself up some pins for yourself and your friends.
06:16:48.740 Help us put a pin on every Albertan.
06:16:50.400 Thank you guys for having us here, and good work.
06:16:53.440 Thank you.
06:16:53.960 Thank you, man.
06:16:54.420 Appreciate it.
06:16:55.720 Awesome.
06:16:56.740 I'll take my blue flag.
06:16:58.480 Hi, I'm John Bolton,
06:16:59.700 and we're here with Angela Tabak, Kathy Flett,
06:17:03.400 Alberta Women for Independence,
06:17:05.580 one of the third-party advertisers great to have you here now what i want to do right off the bat
06:17:11.100 is i want to say you are the unlikeliest couple to have a third-party advertiser angela lives about
06:17:17.560 as far south in alberta as you can get yeah in the waterton area and kathy's in edmonton how the heck
06:17:23.860 did this happen please tell me oh we became friends when we were working in the uh wild
06:17:29.120 girls independence party of alberta yeah number of years back yeah and just found that we work
06:17:34.660 really well together and we have just stuck with the message of alberta independence for
06:17:39.940 six years now six years together yeah it kind of works out nicely because we're in calgary right
06:17:44.260 now you just kind of meet in the middle right that's right this is fantastic yeah obviously
06:17:48.100 we've got your signs hold it up there people are i've got this out on front of my house right now
06:17:52.500 i'm excited i've got now six signs uh other people have 12 i got to get up to 12 but you're doing
06:17:58.260 signs and you're talking to people that's what you're doing so tell us a little bit about the
06:18:02.500 the talks right now because we know we love your sign. Shall I talk about that? I'll talk about the
06:18:08.720 talks. So we for over a year now have just been doing home meetings with people helping predominantly
06:18:14.460 women but then the guys love the conversation too so they join in understand why we need to
06:18:18.360 be our own province and we thought well why fix what's not broke we're just going to continue on
06:18:23.160 but now as a TPA so that's what we've done and it's actually exploded our calendars are filling
06:18:28.480 up with people that want to have us over and so we're calling it politics on the patio because
06:18:33.220 it's summertime and just have us over six seven eight nine ten thirty people it doesn't matter to
06:18:38.940 us and we walk people through the history of how alberta became a province set some ground as to
06:18:44.940 why our government structure sucks the way that it does right right and uh and then why we need
06:18:50.720 to vote yes to all of these questions and yes to option two well you know the difficulty i think
06:18:55.100 that's happened through this process and even through the petition process is finding people
06:19:00.600 sitting on the fence. Are you meeting up with some of those people, Angela? Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
06:19:05.440 And it really comes from, you know, people who are already there inviting their family and their
06:19:11.200 friends to come. It's a very casual, open discussion. Nothing is being shoved down
06:19:16.720 anyone's throats. And it's an opportunity to just kind of go back and forth with the ideas,
06:19:21.700 some of the concerns that people might have and it allows us to be able to address them in a way
06:19:27.640 that is very non-confrontational we're building community our whole focus has been education
06:19:34.540 and building community and so that's what we're continuing to do with the tpa and it's working
06:19:39.960 out really great we're in kind of a noisy room right now we're at the derek fildebrandt and
06:19:44.520 duane bratt debate yeah and and for the most part it was a pretty friendly thing it's almost
06:19:50.560 radical now to have a friendly conversation but that's what you're trying to do isn't it exactly
06:19:55.680 that's exactly what we're doing and it's working as Angela said we we're not combative in these
06:20:01.420 meetings we're not we're not putting anybody down we're not there's nothing like that at all
06:20:05.780 um it's just well what are your concerns and let's see if I have an answer and if I don't
06:20:10.260 well then I don't but let's see what you have to say and how come well congratulations on your
06:20:15.500 success uh your website tell people what it is it's very long okay go to the qr code go to the
06:20:22.780 qr code it's abwomensindependencenetwork.com okay and if you would like to support angela and kathy
06:20:31.980 on the telethon go to albertatelethon.com and click on their link hi i'm john bull
06:20:38.020 great joke everyone yeah it's too bad no one will ever know what it was
06:20:43.340 Welcome back to the Edmonton studio, guys. We are pleased to be joined by Mr. Michael Wagner.
06:20:48.700 I've been calling him Professor Wagner all night. He doesn't appreciate that, but I think it's cool.
06:20:54.300 So welcome. Thank you for joining us, sir.
06:20:56.260 Thanks for having me here. It's good to be here.
06:20:58.240 Maybe you can give kind of a little bit of a background in your involvement in this movement.
06:21:04.160 Well, actually, I originally got involved in the movement in about 1981.
06:21:07.360 I was a teenager in high school in Calgary, and I was triggered by Pierre Trudeau's National Energy Program,
06:21:12.560 So I joined the first major independence group at the time, which was called Westfed.
06:21:16.600 That group ended up folding.
06:21:17.980 And so the following year, an organization called the Western Canada Concept Party of Alberta
06:21:22.100 won a by-election in 1982.
06:21:23.960 And I was so excited by that, I joined that party.
06:21:26.100 By then, I was 16.
06:21:27.460 And then in November of 1982, there was a provincial election.
06:21:31.560 And so I handed out pamphlets for that party at that time, my first political activity.
06:21:35.620 So I wasn't even old enough to vote.
06:21:36.780 But I was really engaged with that activity, with the independence idea.
06:21:40.620 And so I participated in that.
06:21:42.160 And I stayed a little bit involved with that party for the 1980s, but it folded at the end.
06:21:45.760 And, of course, the Reform Party came along at the end of the 1980s
06:21:48.560 and kind of absorbed all the independent sentiment for several years.
06:21:51.700 So like most other people who had been involved,
06:21:54.340 I was either involved with the Reform Party or doing other things.
06:21:56.860 And I got reengaged in 2015 when Justin Trudeau was elected as prime minister.
06:22:01.600 And so I've been kind of re-involved since that time.
06:22:03.740 So I kind of have a long history to one degree or another with this movement
06:22:06.980 because I've really believed in this idea for a long time.
06:22:10.020 Would it be fair to say maybe from the early 90s through till the mid-2010s there,
06:22:16.360 was there, even though it wasn't necessarily a name,
06:22:19.140 was there still an underground sort of independent sentiment in the province, you would say?
06:22:24.060 Yeah, there was a little bit.
06:22:24.740 There was actually a very small party called the Separation Party of Alberta.
06:22:27.320 And they were around for a while.
06:22:28.800 And actually, around the year 2000, Corey Morgan created the Alberta Independence Party for a little while,
06:22:34.020 but it didn't get a lot of traction.
06:22:35.300 So there were definitely people who believed in it still,
06:22:37.480 just a bit of small minority of people because the reform party had been so successful at that time
06:22:41.300 but the idea never died i mean the idea really the the independence movement really started when
06:22:46.100 pierre trudeau became prime minister in the late 1960s that's when the i mean before that time
06:22:50.340 you'll see the occasional letter to the editor or an opinion editorial in a newspaper floating the
06:22:55.020 idea of independence but it never became a movement until pierre trudeau became prime minister and so
06:22:59.320 and it was pierre trudeau who gave it credibility especially with the natural energy program that's
06:23:03.880 when people really came on board with the idea for the first time in the early 1980s and so it
06:23:08.620 hasn't died out since then like it dissipated a lot because the reform party was such a credible
06:23:12.940 organization and the idea that they had of reforming canada so the west's voice could be heard in
06:23:17.580 ottawa that's an idea that's a really good idea and it caught on with a lot of people and they
06:23:21.820 did a lot of good work the reform party but in the end it shows that despite how much effort we
06:23:26.580 can put in to try and reform canada we can't and so independence is our only option we have left
06:23:31.360 yeah you know it's kind of funny i never thought i would be sitting here saying thank you pierre
06:23:37.080 trudeau because if it wasn't for you we wouldn't be here right now that's true yeah so how has it
06:23:41.940 been for you like with the ups and downs because i imagine there's been a lot of times where you
06:23:45.480 almost had a little bit of false hope of things about going to go big as they are right now
06:23:49.560 what was it like for you with all that up and down actually especially in those early years
06:23:53.500 when i was a teenager i was really putting a lot of hope in that 1982 election because
06:23:57.460 you know the western canada concept party had been growing very rapidly and that's actually why
06:24:01.280 our Premier, Peter Lough, he called an early election because he saw the WCC was growing so
06:24:05.520 quickly. He wanted to cut it off before it could organize properly. And so I was really looking
06:24:09.680 forward to a lot of MLAs for the party getting elected in 1982. And when we didn't get any,
06:24:14.720 I was really devastated, actually. I was very emotional about that. But I did, like I say,
06:24:19.700 I stayed a little bit involved with the party. And during the 80s, you know, as long as Pierre
06:24:23.960 Trudeau was in power, there was hope for the movement. And then when Brian Mulroney was elected
06:24:28.420 1984, it looked like people were going to put their hope in Brian Mulroney, but he quickly
06:24:32.660 stabbed us in the back with a CF-18 fighter jet contract that went to Montreal. And so it wasn't
06:24:37.400 long before the movement was growing again and the WCC was growing again. And so, yeah, like, I mean,
06:24:42.160 it never seemed close back in those days, if you know what I mean, but I was really dedicated to it
06:24:46.300 and I was willing to stick with it. So, I mean, it was an idea that was, you know, kind of growing
06:24:50.120 among a certain segment of the population. And then, like I say, with the Reform Party coming
06:24:53.540 along, that looked like a very hopeful thing. It grew very quickly and it did very well. And
06:24:58.240 And like I said, it was a very good idea, and a lot of people were engaged,
06:25:00.780 and it looked like they could do something.
06:25:02.020 So there was a lot of optimism that Canada could be fixed, right?
06:25:05.840 And then, you know, they became the Canadian Alliance after it was a Reform Party
06:25:09.540 and became a Conservative Party of Canada.
06:25:11.120 So the emphasis on Western issues really dissipated toward the end of the 1990s,
06:25:15.900 but it did look like the party could potentially gain power as the Conservative Party of Canada, which it did.
06:25:20.680 And Stephen Harper had been a Reform Party Member of Parliament, right?
06:25:22.900 So he was one of our guys in a sense.
06:25:24.860 Like, we thought he could do things for us, and he tried to the degree that he could.
06:25:28.240 to a certain degree. I mean, any prime minister of Canada, regardless of their party, has to
06:25:32.200 cater to Ontario and Quebec. That's the bottom line. And Stephen Harper had to do the same thing
06:25:35.940 if he wanted to stay in, and he did. And so we didn't get the kind of things that we really needed
06:25:39.760 here in Alberta from the federal government. And so again, it just goes to show that we cannot fix
06:25:44.260 this country from here. We've got to become our own country if we want to be able to elect people
06:25:48.440 who will do what's good for us and not what's good for Toronto and Montreal.
06:25:51.700 The reality is Stephen Harper, even when he was here, he didn't exactly
06:25:56.420 help us he just was he pulled the knife out of our back for a little while actually that's a good
06:26:00.540 way of putting it i mean it's not it's not so much that the conservatives could do a lot of good stuff
06:26:03.940 for us it's just they give us a reprieve from the punishment of the liberals you know the liberals
06:26:08.300 are there to punish us and hurt us and when the conservatives in there they won't do that
06:26:11.940 conservatives aren't going to hurt us but there's not much they can do for us they just give us
06:26:15.780 breathing room until the next liberal government comes after us basically except that it was harper
06:26:20.160 that changed the equalization formula yeah to include 50 of our resource revenues but exclude
06:26:25.300 Quebec. That was the thing. For votes. Right. Exactly. Yeah. So he also stabbed us in the back in that sense. Like, I mean, he won his vote in Quebec. Smaller knife. Smaller knife. That's the thing. Like any, any federal leader who wants to be in power has to cater to Quebec. And the opportunity came up to change the equalization formula. And he needed seats in Quebec because that was the one province where he was weakest, right? So this was a way of gaining support in Quebec exactly. So he did something that was bad for Alberta for sure. Yeah. And speaking about change, I wanted to make another just quick reference
06:26:55.120 to albertatelethon.com uh i have about four jokes that i just cycle constantly constantly try being
06:27:02.640 my wife at home uh albertatelethon.com actually we just got a note uh that i thought was interesting
06:27:09.140 maybe the panel would like to hear um mr john wilkinson who is on from alberta flags he uh he
06:27:15.340 messaged us and said that he's actually since he's been on he's been getting a lot of uh 49
06:27:20.280 donations which is sort of an an interesting note because you know how frightened people are about
06:27:27.620 being having to give their information away about what they're donating like even even now you know
06:27:32.580 we have we have a question on a referendum we have some social legitimacy because we have you
06:27:37.860 know signs everywhere and flags everywhere still people are afraid to put their names down on a
06:27:42.400 piece of paper to to engage in the democratic process what what does this say what does it say
06:27:48.100 says we need out yeah it just it really does it says we need out um just a short story we had a
06:27:56.660 donor who shall remain nameless but they used a middle name and then gave the 250 so under 250
06:28:07.140 you're not on the on the public list but over 250 your name is immediately on the elections alberta's
06:28:14.420 has donated over this much right so he gave that much and then his spouse gave the 750
06:28:22.420 so that they could make it right up to the to the thousand dollar mark that's what they wanted to
06:28:26.580 give but the spouse used a middle name as well so that it couldn't be tracked exactly to them right
06:28:34.260 um it's really it's been quite fascinating even today when i was at in red deer at the farmers
06:28:40.900 market you know i i don't know i want to put a sign out but my house is going to get egged if i
06:28:45.540 do that i want to do this but this is going to happen i want to do that but that is going to
06:28:50.100 happen and all i can think of is you know funny story none of this ever came from our side ever
06:28:57.220 because it would have made the news yeah immediately and so yeah people are scared
06:29:02.580 they're scared to put their names to something they're scared to put that sign out because of
06:29:06.740 of repercussions. It's ironic though, because in my area that I live in, it's very, very left
06:29:13.880 leaning, extremely left leaning. Not that all leftists are against Alberta independence. I know
06:29:18.280 there's a lot of you who are for it. You just don't want to say it. Yeah. But the moment I put
06:29:22.500 up an Alberta flag on my house, all of a sudden one of the neighbors down the street put up an
06:29:28.060 Alberta flag on their house and another neighbor put up an Alberta flag on their house. And then
06:29:32.540 I found out later that it actually helped build up our street credit with our neighbors because 1.00
06:29:37.820 they're like okay we know you're not crazy like the forever Canadians are these days and so like 1.00
06:29:43.440 all of a sudden they're we actually made more friends and I've never had my car get keyed I've 1.00
06:29:48.060 never had my house get egged and I'm in the heart of the uh the crazy place yeah so yeah well that's
06:29:54.560 the thing I mean even at our house the other day when I was in Two Hills um speaking with Chris
06:29:59.920 Scott and his crew uh the dogs alerted my husband to somebody in the front yard in the front yard
06:30:04.960 and I've got signs I've got the flag like you know it's my house right and we are also on a
06:30:09.640 dead end street so it's not through traffic that comes by and so he looks out the window and he
06:30:14.720 sees somebody lurking in the front and looking at the signs and looking at the flag and he's like
06:30:18.700 ah here we go you know now I gotta get out there and blah blah blah anyway long story short the guy
06:30:24.400 is also for independence and so this conversation strikes up on the street and he's like yeah I was
06:30:31.460 just I don't know like a Facebook marketplace pickup or something like that and couldn't help
06:30:35.340 but notice and so this great conversation takes place and my husband says well do you know who
06:30:40.380 Kathy Flett is and he says yeah which always freaks me out like that should not be a thing
06:30:45.320 that should not be a thing but he's like yeah of course I do and he says well these are her signs
06:30:50.000 do you want one he's left with three because i happen to have some in the back of the truck i
06:30:54.480 got them in the back of all the vehicles that we have so it's important to have these symbols out
06:31:00.460 there because you just don't know you don't know what opportunity you're going to be able to open
06:31:05.220 up for somebody else to be able to be brave and go yeah you know what i'm going to do the same
06:31:08.940 thing michael in your experience working on these campaigns and and in being involved in this world
06:31:15.220 in the 80s what do you notice differently from how people treat a separatist quote-unquote
06:31:22.180 for in the 80s and 90s maybe compared to today do you notice much of a difference in how they're
06:31:27.000 treated in the public or online not online back then but you know what I mean like there's always
06:31:31.760 been a stigma like I mean it was less common then back in those days like it was a brand new idea
06:31:36.880 back then like no one had really thought of it seriously until the 70s and the 80s so you were
06:31:41.360 very much minority it was like and the word separatist course has stigma with
06:31:44.600 it still of course so to just to identify with that word I mean some
06:31:47.860 people today don't even want me to use that word still but but I've been using
06:31:50.780 that word for decades so I still will so it was very much a stigma and like
06:31:54.180 compared to right now like there's more independent supporters now than ever in
06:31:57.560 Alberta so there's in certain communities that's there's no stigma I
06:32:01.460 don't think at all like so in that sense it's more comfortable to be an
06:32:05.000 independent supporter now except for in the sense like you're talking about
06:32:07.700 people who don't want their names you know put it down and and what I want to
06:32:10.580 about that is that shows how canada has changed like it was never like that the canada that i
06:32:15.220 was born and raised in was not like that you wouldn't have to be afraid of putting your name
06:32:18.420 on something but that just shows what the liberals have done to this country it just shows more why
06:32:22.500 we need to get out how can we have freedom if people won't even put their names down for what
06:32:26.500 they support you know what i mean like that's not freedom there's some kind of fear there that's been
06:32:30.660 generated by the government the government has made people afraid to stand for what they believe
06:32:35.060 and speak what they believe that's not a free country in my view and i think that's just one
06:32:39.220 more argument why we need to become independent so we can have that freedom again that we had before
06:32:43.780 it's it's it is a great argument because and it and it's such an important distinction to note
06:32:48.180 that this is something that is very manufactured by by government by media working together because
06:32:54.980 you know like we talk about you know we we see this in our neighborhoods like we if you have a
06:32:59.460 like i have i was talking with uh our friend of the channel off screen about our our neighborhood
06:33:05.380 how we have uh we're sort of outnumbered uh from alberta um lawn science to forever canadian lawn
06:33:11.140 science but these are neighbors that we like and we get along with and you know there's no like
06:33:15.460 you you run across them you get in the mail or on their mowing their lawn or whatever like this is
06:33:19.300 not a what you see online is not um it's not representative of reality right and to make it
06:33:27.140 seem that way is it's so so dark it's not nice it's not good and and to make it seem like it's a
06:33:33.380 uh a much more personal and much more vitriolic sentiment like this is you know we have very
06:33:38.820 reasonable arguments i think and i think if if more people were open to at least having a
06:33:43.460 discussion about it rather than i think the trick that the that the government and the media likes
06:33:48.420 to play is um they say that even if you engage in discussion about it you know you're you're giving
06:33:53.700 it air or you're giving it but that's exactly how you think you know this is a very you think by
06:33:59.700 talking and by discussing and by being challenged in your ideas and so it's it's ironic though
06:34:05.860 because forever canada appears to be creating a culture of encouraging this of fomenting this
06:34:14.660 kind of unity this kind of thing where you know you need to attack them or you need to like do
06:34:19.380 all this stuff to a separatist come up with names and call them all that stuff but the reality is 0.80
06:34:24.820 all that does is makes it so you guys start to look more and more like the crazy ones.
06:34:30.100 So of course you're going to attract more crazy people to your side, but then over time, 0.84
06:34:34.180 the more normal people are going to reject it. And so I kind of find it a little bit serving us
06:34:40.500 that they're doing that, that Thomas Lukasik has never come out once to denounce any of the
06:34:44.820 violence done against any of our Albert independent supporters. He's never come out once to even say,
06:34:49.940 stop harassing or doing all this. He's always silent on that. And then in their private groups,
06:34:54.340 because I'm in your private groups, guys.
06:34:56.740 I'm in all of them.
06:34:58.860 I see what you guys post.
06:35:00.380 I thought you got booted out of one.
06:35:01.460 I got booted out of one because I opened my mouth,
06:35:03.220 but I've got alternative ways to stay in that one.
06:35:07.240 But yeah, so I always found it really interesting.
06:35:09.100 The other thing is they have no problem calling us names,
06:35:11.080 but there was a couple months ago,
06:35:13.040 they were someone, I can't remember her name.
06:35:15.400 She's got a little flag in her profile,
06:35:18.140 but she freaked out.
06:35:19.560 She's one of the Forever Canadian leaders.
06:35:21.160 she freaked out at the idea of being called an anti-separatist and had an absolute freak out
06:35:27.740 about it and so i played for a couple like weeks there just saying okay i respect that you do not
06:35:32.460 wish to be called that so how does maple nationalist sound or canadian confederate how does that sound
06:35:39.780 well it's funny you say that actually because we uh on the show james and i i think james came up
06:35:45.640 with this term but i'll take credit for it because he's not here um he's behind the camera maple
06:35:50.700 syrup flavored nationalism uh-huh which is what a lot of this boils down to you know it's like
06:35:55.340 there's people are nostalgic for a and you know what i i try to give them the benefit of the doubt
06:36:00.600 that what they are forever canadians is nostalgic for a canada that they remember but that no longer
06:36:07.720 exists that's what it is yeah maybe you guys can speak on that that's what it is well i can speak
06:36:12.580 to that i can give you uh three stories in two the last two home meetings we've had the smaller
06:36:19.660 meetings that we've had unbeknownst to me there were some people there who were not I wasn't
06:36:25.360 preaching to the choir they came and when one came kicking and screaming is that fine if you will
06:36:30.880 shut up and stop talking to me about this I will go and hear what Kathy has to say and then I don't
06:36:34.780 want to hear a word about it right left going oh my gosh I had no idea I had no idea right 0.96
06:36:41.580 and then the second meeting same thing happened not kicking and screaming but just really curious
06:36:46.260 like what is it and you know it's going to be after eight o'clock is she actually going to
06:36:49.280 grow six heads like what's gonna happen here because they told all sorts of things about us
06:36:53.200 so there's there's that that happens um and then there's the everyday conversations
06:36:58.580 that we have the opportunity to do to do this with and there was one that was about a month ago now
06:37:05.120 and it was somebody that I know don't know very well somebody that I know and it came out the cat
06:37:11.260 was out of the bag that I was a separatist and she was horrified by that and she said you know
06:37:15.780 what my kids my whole family is all for this but I'm just not and so we had this back and forth
06:37:21.000 conversation and she admitted like my kids and my grandkids are never going to buy a house I know
06:37:25.740 that but I just can't give up this Canada and I my sovereignty and on and on and on I said
06:37:30.120 so you admit that the Canada that you lived in and were successful in and had every opportunity to
06:37:37.980 achieve everything every goal you ever set for yourself doesn't exist anymore and she said oh
06:37:44.100 know i know that it doesn't i said then why would you vote for your next generations to stay in that
06:37:49.480 and she went oh my gosh i never thought of it that way never thought of it that way right she
06:37:57.360 was holding on to this nostalgia and it's those one-on-one conversations that's why like rallies
06:38:02.360 are great they have their place but it's that one-on-one that's going to get this done i think
06:38:07.760 a big thing as well is that alberta itself didn't really transition from that old canada until
06:38:13.680 COVID yeah we were still living in old Canada when the rest of Canada had long since gone and
06:38:18.780 departed I lived in Ontario for a few years in the early 2000 to our 2010s I mean and I could
06:38:26.360 like it was hardcore shifting back then I came back home to Alberta I'm like oh good everything's
06:38:32.060 still normal and then COVID hit and it's just it's been on fast forward trying to keep up now
06:38:37.840 so we still have that remnant of Canada in Alberta and we're trying to preserve that and keep that
06:38:42.740 because it's very hard to get it back once you give it away oh yeah and Michael you have some
06:38:47.640 books here um maybe in and I'm sure you've talked about this in in one of your books but
06:38:52.580 kind of chronicling the maybe the the shift as Alberta has maybe not shifted away from Canada
06:38:59.360 but as how Canada has shifted away from Alberta maybe have you talk about how Alberta is a
06:39:06.380 a throwback to what Canada used to be or or reminiscent of that in some way like can you
06:39:12.000 speak to that a little bit from from what you've written yeah like not not
06:39:15.280 quite exactly what you're saying but related to the previous discussion is in
06:39:18.220 in this particular book here Alberta separatism and then now like I wrote
06:39:21.480 this book it came out in 2009 so it's a history of the origins and the early
06:39:25.400 years of the Alberta independence movement up until 2008 but one of the
06:39:28.800 key people who I quote in here is Ted Byfield with Alberta report magazine and
06:39:33.420 for those who are younger you might not remember Alberta report magazine but it
06:39:35.740 went from 1973 to 2003 it was a very very influential magazine in Alberta and
06:39:40.860 and in Western Canada generally.
06:39:42.120 I mean, it was part of the effort to create the Reform Party.
06:39:44.420 I mean, the influence of Alberta Report magazine was key
06:39:47.460 in the creation of the Reform Party.
06:39:48.960 But in here, I talk about, it was Ted Byfield who in 1980 already
06:39:52.660 was writing about the difference between old Canada and new Canada
06:39:56.120 because it was Pierre Trudeau who brought in the new Canada.
06:39:58.720 Pierre Trudeau brought in a different constitution.
06:40:01.140 Now, the constitution is the foundational document of a country.
06:40:04.660 When you change the constitution, you change the country.
06:40:07.560 People need to understand that.
06:40:08.760 So in 1982, Pietro was fundamentally changing Canada, and he knew it, and that's what he wanted to do.
06:40:14.200 And Ted Byfield, to go into details about how Canada was different, like he grew up in, he was originally from Toronto, and he came out to Alberta, became an Alberta patriot.
06:40:21.600 I mean, a lot of people from Alberta move here and become Alberta patriots.
06:40:24.540 And like when he was growing up, we had a different flag, and that was changed by the Liberals in the 1960s.
06:40:29.540 And actually, the change in the flag was representative of the kind of change they were introducing to the country in general, right?
06:40:34.540 So anyway, in that book, I'm quoting from Ted Byfield how he talks about and describes the change from old Canada to new Canada.
06:40:42.420 And it was the old Canada he grew up in.
06:40:43.760 It was the Canada he loved and was loyal to.
06:40:46.180 And he did not feel loyal to the new Canada that Pierre Trudeau was introducing to us.
06:40:49.980 So that's part of what that book is about because in those early years, there was that cultural issue to the independence movement
06:40:57.220 because people realized our country was changing fundamentally and they wanted to stick with the older Canada.
06:41:02.400 And so there was a lot of even meetings I went to, I think there were like World War II veterans there, you know, who were for the Alberta side, you know, because they saw the country changing drastically, and they didn't like what they saw.
06:41:12.860 So that book talks a bit about that, because those are some of the original emphases and themes of the independence movement back in those days.
06:41:19.380 So then in the second book, No Other Options, Self-Determination for Alberta, I do talk a lot about how Ted Byfield talks about Alberta's cultural identity.
06:41:27.580 Like, now, Alberta's identity isn't different from the rest of Canada the way Quebec's is.
06:41:31.720 Like Quebec, they have a different language and a different history and stuff.
06:41:34.180 So Alberta is not distinctive from Canada the way Quebec is,
06:41:37.080 but it still has its own distinctive history.
06:41:39.280 It has, like we had way more American immigration in those early years,
06:41:42.220 which kind of set us apart from the rest of the country. 0.97
06:41:44.400 And there were other factors too.
06:41:46.120 And so Ted Byfield talked about those things, about Alberta's cultural identity.
06:41:49.920 And that's an important part if we're going to become our own country.
06:41:53.200 So we have to think of ourselves as Albertans,
06:41:55.720 as that would be our cultural identity and our political identity.
06:41:59.920 And so that's kind of one of the themes that's in there.
06:42:01.860 But those are the kinds of things, though, like that Ted Byfield talked about
06:42:04.980 that were so important for Albertans today to understand about how we're different
06:42:08.540 and how we are more like the old Canada than the Canada and the rest of the country.
06:42:13.780 But even in terms of our history, we don't exactly have the same history
06:42:16.840 that we're getting painted with all the time.
06:42:18.920 Like Alberta was not essentially set up initially by Canada.
06:42:24.240 It was Rupert's land.
06:42:25.900 We were a completely different colony that had nothing to do with Canada.
06:42:28.940 And it wasn't until finally the British Crown forced the sale of it to Canada that we even became a part of it.
06:42:35.700 And then we were treated like a colony for the first 40 years, a colony of another country, essentially.
06:42:40.480 So we were settled by a very different group of people.
06:42:43.580 And even when we became part of Canada, for a long time, only the rejects were sent out here. 0.99
06:42:49.400 If you were a dirty Eastern European, or like a lot of our ancestors were, you weren't allowed to settle in Upper Canada, in Ontario or Quebec. 1.00
06:42:58.320 No, you had to go out to the prairies because, oh, yeah, 1.00
06:43:01.320 because Ukrainians are a lot of farmers. 1.00
06:43:03.060 And that's why, like, we've got a giant Easter egg in Bankerville.
06:43:06.500 We have a huge, like, Estonian.
06:43:10.340 We have sausages in Mundare.
06:43:11.800 We have all the rejects that were sent out here. 0.99
06:43:14.720 So we weren't even settled by the same people who were settled in Ontario.
06:43:17.940 Honestly, when I look at our history, we are very different people than Ontarians.
06:43:21.400 But when you look at modern-day Quebec and modern-day Ontario,
06:43:24.940 although their history is different, their values have almost just become a French and English
06:43:30.480 version of each other. A lot of their values have aligned so much that they're pretty much become
06:43:35.020 a monoculture that just speaks to different languages. Actually, that's quite an interesting
06:43:39.500 point because when you compare the settlement of the Canadian West with the American West,
06:43:42.940 like generally the American West kind of was gradually moving west and people would come in,
06:43:47.180 immigrants would come into eastern United States, become acculturated as Americans and then move
06:43:50.940 west whereas like what you're discussing what is true what truly happened is after the prairies
06:43:55.620 were attached to canada it was like there were very few people out here and they needed to bring
06:44:00.060 in people to create an agricultural economy so at first there was obst there is opposition to
06:44:05.760 bringing in eastern europeans like you mentioned because some of the you know the wasp people on
06:44:09.340 ontario didn't want those kind of people eventually we've got an interior minister who went and
06:44:12.760 advertised for people in eastern europe and they a whole flood of them suddenly came to the prairies
06:44:17.980 and they didn't go through eastern Canada become like geographically they did on the train or
06:44:22.360 whatever but they didn't stay there become Canadianized and then move out west they were
06:44:26.240 plopped here as immigrants and they Canadianized in the west in a different experience from the
06:44:31.460 people in central Canada so what you're talking about is true that our our experience as westerners
06:44:36.080 here on the prairies the way we developed a Canadian identity was different from the historical
06:44:40.780 experience of those in central Canada and like this is important to me like my paternal ancestors
06:44:45.220 came to the prairies in 1902 and so this is kind of like our and probably some of the others here
06:44:49.760 I'm sure people in the audience yeah their ancestors came early in that time period to
06:44:54.060 to the prairies and we're descendants of that we're the we're reaping the fruit of their efforts
06:44:58.660 to get us here you know but so exactly what you're saying was exactly true yeah and like a lot of it
06:45:03.880 as well was just the strain of geography like the United States it was just like gradually like a
06:45:08.460 guy would move in just a little further away than the last guy just a little further away
06:45:12.320 us we had the Canadian shield exactly it literally divided us up and so it's no
06:45:17.300 surprise that when you know they're looking at it they're like oh convenient
06:45:21.140 we can just send them so far away that we don't even have to think about them
06:45:24.680 and that's what happened and we just became a resource colony they sent so
06:45:28.220 many people out here a lot of them did really well a lot of them died and they
06:45:34.040 didn't care they just took in the money from all the agricultural sales that
06:45:37.280 they got over time and sorry please go I was gonna add one more way in which we
06:45:41.600 are different from the rest of Canada, is when you look at our provincial political history,
06:45:45.220 we would form alternative political parties. So, you know, the original party was the Liberal
06:45:49.180 Party, but in 1921, the United Farmers of Alberta became our government. United Farmers of Alberta
06:45:53.380 from 1921 to 1935. And in 1935, it's the Social Credit Party of Alberta up until 1971. Those are
06:45:59.720 parties that weren't in other provinces, you know, in terms of forming government. I mean,
06:46:02.780 eventually in BC, there was a Social Credit Party that kind of keyed off Alberta, but it was
06:46:06.420 different in its own way. But Alberta was very distinct from the rest of the country in terms
06:46:09.820 of our voting trends and federally as well we voted federally for the social credit party for
06:46:14.260 many years and previous to that the progressive party of canada so when you look just at our
06:46:18.140 voting history we can you can see how different we are from the other provinces honestly if it
06:46:22.420 wasn't for stockwell day losing so bad i did i think we probably would still have our own parties
06:46:26.300 i don't know because we never would have become a conservative stronghold otherwise
06:46:30.620 yeah i don't know but everything you guys say is true i mean one of the the quotes that i give in
06:46:36.980 every presentation that I do is the Sir Clifford Zipton quote right where every
06:46:42.960 Canadian every patriotic Canadian is gonna want all the trade from the
06:46:47.700 prairie to go to the east to enrich them that's the shortened version of it but
06:46:51.760 that's why we were created was so that all of our bounty all the fruits of our
06:46:56.420 labor could go to the east that that was the plan and here we are all these years
06:47:01.580 later and it's no different but what's neat to me is despite that and people
06:47:06.220 still came here and a hearty bunch of people right like you go way up north and it's very
06:47:11.060 hardy nobody told them about the snakes in the south and the minus holy moly in the north right
06:47:15.080 they just only just showed up and did what they could with what they what they had and when you
06:47:20.420 dig into the history books the few that there are there's stories of the women being home alone
06:47:26.880 with the kids while the men went to go and work to try and support them and they didn't speak the
06:47:33.240 same language as their neighbor but they would still go and have sunday dinner just so they were
06:47:39.160 around people like that's what this province was built on and that's why when you go to any pick
06:47:46.380 any small community pick anyone and what do you see first you see an old church you see an old
06:47:52.100 church that's probably dilapidated now but that was the first building that was built the second
06:47:57.700 building that was built was the school because everybody appreciated how important education was
06:48:02.840 and so then there was the church there was the school and if it was a bigger community
06:48:06.500 the next thing they would build is a community hall and you go to all these little towns and
06:48:11.540 there's community halls you go to the bigger centers there's the german community hall the
06:48:14.960 ukrainian community hall the dutch community hall the exactly what you were talking about right
06:48:18.340 all these people came together and they made it work that's what this province was built on and
06:48:24.280 the three words that angela and i have been hanging on to in this campaign is family community
06:48:29.980 sovereignty you cannot have the first two without the last one and that's what they eroded they
06:48:37.260 purposely eroded the family which then eroded the community and now they're trying to take
06:48:42.700 our sovereignty and we just can't stand for it that's not what this province was built on
06:48:47.260 no it was not it was built on being a resource colony and speaking of resource colonies really
06:48:53.100 you can view us today as your resource colony for albertatelethon.com where our purpose is to direct
06:49:00.940 funds to our six great tpas you're good that was very smooth the king of the segue yeah that's great
06:49:07.260 um i wish i had updated numbers for you but but if you're if you're tuning in earlier we were
06:49:11.660 reporting that um keith wilson's tpa keith wilson and tanya yeah uh they they surely must be over
06:49:17.820 50 000 now um the the women's network uh the women alberta women for independence network
06:49:23.980 yeah i got that right close enough yeah perfect they're over 10 000 corey morgan's over 11 000
06:49:30.140 um amazing work guys uh we we really really appreciate that you know this is what we're
06:49:35.420 here for we need if we're going to talk about high-minded things like sovereignty
06:49:40.700 and uh you know where our future is going and how we can uh you know build build something
06:49:46.620 better than what we have currently for our children and our grandchildren the fact is that
06:49:51.580 these things take money and the people on the other side of this debate right now have seemingly
06:49:57.580 unlimited money they have government money in fact and they have different reporting structures and
06:50:05.580 rules surrounding their money than we do so let's make sure to do this right remember that in order
06:50:11.020 to donate to any of the tpas you have to be an albertan citizen yeah uh you have to uh if you
06:50:16.700 if you donate under 50 you don't need to provide information anywhere between 50 and 250 you need
06:50:24.140 to give some information please fill out the information correctly so that you're not uh
06:50:28.860 accidentally donating to elections alberta because they'll take those funds so i think it goes right
06:50:33.500 to the government i think it goes right to general revenue yeah yeah um and you can donate up to
06:50:38.300 five thousand dollars uh in in any one election cycle i think is the rule right in any one year
06:50:43.820 or something like this yes um if you're wanting to donate in the thousands of dollars maybe double
06:50:49.100 check that first um and if you live outside of alberta you can always buy one of michael wagner's
06:50:57.260 books and learn a little bit more about alberta independence and how it came to be this guy's a
06:51:01.900 wealth of knowledge and his books are fantastic i've read two of them where can michael where
06:51:06.460 Where can people find your, buy your books?
06:51:09.500 Can they buy directly from you?
06:51:10.660 Well actually this particular one that Mr. Alberta held up is available on Amazon.ca
06:51:16.740 and all three of the books are available at a website called merchantship.ca like it's
06:51:20.400 a home school supply online store but they carry my books as well and so they carry all
06:51:25.960 of them.
06:51:26.960 I've got three books in Alberta independence so if you go to merchantship.ca and put my
06:51:29.660 name in my books on independence will come up and they're less expensive there than they
06:51:33.140 are on Amazon too.
06:51:34.140 Amazing.
06:51:35.140 Did I ever tell you our cool story about your books?
06:51:37.260 No.
06:51:37.580 Okay. 1.00
06:51:38.240 So we had Angela hosted a home meeting and there was 20 women there. 1.00
06:51:43.360 And the way that the host got these 20 women to show up was she said,
06:51:46.920 you know what, it's been a long time since we've been in school. 0.94
06:51:48.840 Perhaps we need a refresher social studies course. 0.97
06:51:51.340 And so these 20 women showed up for charcuterie and tea and all the rest. 0.99
06:51:55.480 And Angela brought out your books and gave them the social studies course that we do. 0.83
06:52:00.720 And they left doing a book club on your book.
06:52:03.580 Oh, thank you so much.
06:52:04.800 Yeah.
06:52:04.920 that's great professor Wagner working even when he's not there that's how we work together there's
06:52:10.780 no competition here oh no competition yes before we run out of time yeah we I mentioned this earlier
06:52:16.880 in the stream so we're going back to Paul's Pizza there in Airdrie so just north of Calgary well not
06:52:22.220 not right now but at the top of the hour um and we bring in the Edmonton location we were talking
06:52:27.900 about like what can we and we wanted to maybe put a little bit of Edmontonia in this stream
06:52:33.280 And we talked about maybe some Oilers gear.
06:52:36.600 Oilers would be good.
06:52:37.320 Oilers would be good.
06:52:38.140 So, you know, they talk about in this movement having a big tent.
06:52:42.640 You know, we want to have people of all stripes.
06:52:45.860 We're not just preaching to the choir.
06:52:48.680 And so in the spirit of that, I just wanted to maybe put this on the table for everyone.
06:52:55.340 All you Calgary independent supporters, you are welcome, in fact,
06:53:01.640 to join us in supporting the edmonton oilers it is not a good time to be a calgary philliams fan 0.98
06:53:06.600 we all know this your arena is garbage your team is almost as bad uh and so
06:53:16.600 we want to invite you to be a fan instead of the edmonton is because we have the greatest player 0.99
06:53:22.040 to ever play hockey playing for us currently i'll die on that hill um and uh and uh yeah so we you
06:53:29.320 know we just wanted to just have this little this is a little gift for from us just a little visual
06:53:34.360 gift for the next uh 20 minutes on the stream so thank you for reminding me yeah you can fit
06:53:39.480 in our big tent anytime anyway go flames so it's been great having michael wagner on the show
06:53:48.840 i was in high school in calgary when the flames came from atlanta
06:53:51.720 well so it's it's deeply burned into my heart those those early years the flames did really
06:53:55.400 well those early years they did nostalgia right yeah i actually think technically even to this
06:54:01.800 day they still have a winning record against the oilers much to my chagrin i think that's
06:54:06.120 and then may it may have adjusted in the last five ten years but um i'd have more respect if
06:54:11.080 they actually made it to the finals well hey you know well fun fact we do often get asked what's
06:54:15.960 going to happen to our sports teams once we're our own nation right right well i mean that's
06:54:22.120 that's an interesting question little things like that come up all the time you know big concerns
06:54:26.640 about like well you know my family lives in bc like am i going to be able to oh it's like i mean
06:54:31.160 yeah like if you have people have family in the u.s that go visit like we're different countries
06:54:35.320 in the nhl you know the nhl is made up of two different countries right now what would be the
06:54:40.300 difference of adding quote unquote a third you know they play official nhl games in um in europe
06:54:46.100 now you know they the nfl plays games in in europe and south america and like we're you know
06:54:51.100 as much as we maybe hate to admit it like we're a fairly global world right now things can just
06:54:56.840 happen that's one of our kind of rallying cries in the movie you know you can just do things you
06:55:02.220 know like not only that but once our taxes drop that's what i was thinking we'll be able to keep
06:55:06.340 some players here they won't be going down south well they don't have to give away their money
06:55:10.200 well people scratch their heads and wonder why like huh why does it seem like every you know
06:55:14.380 middle to high value canadian player they just always end up playing in florida what what could
06:55:20.200 be the reason why could it be their tax structure i don't know could it be the beautiful weather
06:55:24.200 we can only really accommodate one of those i think here that's right although it's been
06:55:29.680 really hot this week so we'll have one week of beautiful weather yeah yeah it's been comparable
06:55:33.660 to florida yeah yeah yeah it's been great what are some weird um maybe we can take the last you
06:55:39.060 know 10 15 minutes here what are some questions that you guys get or concerns that you guys get
06:55:43.920 a lot when you're talking to people about this movement that maybe we wouldn't think to ask like
06:55:48.460 some some of a very personal concern that somebody might have if they were on the fence of well you
06:55:53.760 know i understand the the value of being independent but x you know like what would be your what are
06:56:00.340 some of the maybe more interesting things that you've heard that people have been concerned
06:56:03.800 about well i think one of the issues that was addressed earlier was risk and for me that's the
06:56:07.160 number one thing like becoming independent country is a risky venture like what we're doing is risky
06:56:12.280 like let's just admit that but staying in canada is risky too that's my reply you know what i mean
06:56:16.860 even more risky riskier yeah well look what the liberals are doing to this country is this the
06:56:20.280 direction that you want to go with your future and your family's future I mean it's not like
06:56:24.500 liberals are doing you know just at one time one strange thing like this is they're incrementally
06:56:28.920 taking away our freedom and and crushing the Canada that we used to know they're doing that
06:56:32.700 incrementally so that people don't notice it as quickly but it's happening and as if we stay in
06:56:36.680 Canada we're going to continue to lose our freedoms and so the the risk of staying in Canada yeah
06:56:41.820 there's a risk of leaving and there's a risk of staying so it's a matter of which risk are you
06:56:45.220 willing to take we know which direction we're going with canada you know becoming independent
06:56:49.120 it's a different risk but we risk becoming free we get more freedom that way so but i think risk is
06:56:54.320 kind of the number one thing that people bring up for me is it yeah um the one that always surprises
06:57:00.320 me because i just don't understand it is well am i gonna need a passport to go visit my family back
06:57:06.180 east like i don't know it's up to canada it's up to canada yeah you know it might be i'm old enough
06:57:14.180 remember when all you needed to do was have driver's license to go down to the
06:57:17.360 US you didn't need all your paperwork and show that your dog had had their
06:57:21.360 regular shots and all that you know right you just didn't need all of you
06:57:24.800 didn't need a file folder across the border you needed one little card I
06:57:28.640 don't see why we couldn't have that same type of relationship with the rest of
06:57:33.860 Canada it's kind of interesting as well because for Alberta we've always needed
06:57:39.200 a flexible workforce yeah so we have no reason to deny people dual citizenship most likely
06:57:44.880 alberta will keep the tradition of dual citizenship yeah for canada they're the ones who as a threat
06:57:51.360 it sounds really good to say we're going to take away your canadian citizenship but in reality
06:57:55.760 there's no mechanism to do that the only mechanism to lose your citizenship in canada is by committing
06:58:02.400 fraud when you apply that's it there's no other way for you to have your citizenship stripped
06:58:09.040 You could commit actual treason and try to kill the king
06:58:12.780 and your punishment's the death penalty, 0.91
06:58:14.920 but we're not going to take your citizenship away.
06:58:16.780 There's literally no way for you to lose that citizenship.
06:58:19.620 And for Canada to put in a new law, because they totally can,
06:58:23.580 that doesn't infringe on the constitution to strip our citizenships
06:58:26.680 will be very difficult for them because under the Canadian constitution,
06:58:30.360 you are protected based on your origin.
06:58:33.720 So Canada can't just come out and say,
06:58:35.460 we're going to allow dual citizenship in every other country
06:58:38.780 except Alberta, because that's discriminating against their origin.
06:58:43.100 Likewise as well, they can't put a discrimination against freedom of travel.
06:58:48.240 Even though they did during COVID, they're not able to put in...
06:58:54.100 Don't remember.
06:58:54.920 Oh, yeah, don't. Trauma.
06:58:56.120 But, you know, it's interesting with these kinds of arguments,
06:58:57.720 with the passport and citizenship and so on,
06:58:59.860 is nobody's saying, look how great Alberta is in Canada.
06:59:02.600 Look how great it is.
06:59:03.640 Don't you want to stay with all these things?
06:59:04.940 They're saying, well, this will be hard and this will be hard.
06:59:06.920 Like, there's no positive image of Alberta staying within Canada.
06:59:10.720 It's all negative stuff from the other side.
06:59:12.860 Like, we don't have a positive vision.
06:59:14.200 And to your point earlier, too, about, you know, what an indictment about what Canada has become
06:59:18.720 is that we even have to worry about what sort of punitive measures Canada is likely to impose on us
06:59:25.100 for exerting our democratic will, you know?
06:59:27.420 Like, that would not have been a...
06:59:28.940 Like, aren't we supposed to be the polite ones?
06:59:30.940 Aren't we supposed to be, like, you know, the kind and accommodating?
06:59:33.420 like why wouldn't the discussion be you know you know how they maybe at least a little bit of how
06:59:39.340 they treated quebec in the 80s and the 90s like oh sweetheart please don't you know you're my 1.00
06:59:44.140 my canada includes quebec now it's you know you're idiot ditch billy traders and you know good riddance 0.99
06:59:49.500 but you also you can't leave so yeah what's important about that too is like canada's 0.99
06:59:54.460 constitutional law allows provinces to leave if they follow the proper process and that's what
06:59:59.100 we're trying to do like this is the law like how can you be a traitor if you're following the law
07:00:02.860 I've never heard a definition of traitor where if you obey the law, you become a traitor.
07:00:06.120 You know what I mean?
07:00:06.600 That's right.
07:00:06.660 That's right.
07:00:06.960 It's completely off base, totally.
07:00:10.600 This is Canada's law.
07:00:11.380 Why are we being threatened for doing something that the country allows, that the law allows?
07:00:14.920 It's completely constitutional.
07:00:16.720 It's completely in line with the legislation.
07:00:18.860 We're doing nothing wrong, and yet they're making all these threats against us.
07:00:22.280 Like I say, it just shows what a bad country Canada has become.
07:00:25.240 Yeah.
07:00:25.480 The funny thing is they'll throw out the argument saying, oh, you're never going to get that constitutional amendment,
07:00:30.520 which number one is a burn on themselves because they think they're so horrible that you'll never
07:00:34.160 get the amendment but also keith wilson can correct me if i'm wrong on this and he will
07:00:39.100 they can't do the constitutional amendment until after we leave because otherwise they're stripping
07:00:46.000 canadians of their rights so we need to go have the negotiations we need to go form our own
07:00:52.240 government we need to do everything cut ties become our own country then they can remove us 0.99
07:00:57.840 but if they don't remove us then they technically have a foreign country that's completely
07:01:03.740 autonomous and gone having voting rights in their leftover of canada so it's kind of a weird kind
07:01:11.480 of flex that i'm trying to say hey uh we're not going to let you leave because we can't get a
07:01:15.160 constitutional amendment even though pretty much you leave and then we amend it so there's no real
07:01:20.980 threat there but they bury it well they loft it around like it's an actual like good point or
07:01:25.540 something like that well you know James has brought this up on our show before where a lot
07:01:29.960 of the times I think when people use the word traitor when they refer to us really what they're
07:01:34.540 saying is something more like disloyal or something like I don't think they're trying to use the word
07:01:40.580 in a legal sense it does have a legal meaning it's more of an emotional sense right because
07:01:45.040 this is a very emotional topic for a lot of people and they view it as a um it's hard for
07:01:51.240 some people to view it from a cold logical like listen these are why objectively this makes sense
07:01:56.320 because they view it as an emotional like you know we're you know we're canadian you know it's nice
07:02:02.540 and it's kind and igloos and whatever and maple syrup on a stick like yeah so it's i have some
07:02:09.740 sympathy for that because it's a i get the patriotism aspect of it but it's just you got
07:02:14.620 to use the right words um i got a small update by the way yes we've got about uh you know 12 13
07:02:19.400 minutes here uh do you want to know what the women's independence network you guys are over 0.63
07:02:24.160 12 000 now come on yes yeah yes thanks everybody um let alberta decide uh keith wilson and tanya
07:02:33.240 um why can't i think of tanya's last name on clemens yes of course sorry tanya um you guys
07:02:40.040 are over 50k nice yeah uh broken the mark and there's also a note that uh they wanted to let
07:02:45.720 us know let you guys know for people who are going to Paul's Pizza tonight in Airdrie if you
07:02:50.860 are maybe hesitant or you don't want to or don't have the ability to donate online they have
07:02:55.500 donation bins there so you can donate cash they have six different jars I guess for the TPA so
07:03:00.720 nice option to have nice cold hard cash yeah cash never runs out of batteries cash never runs out
07:03:07.240 of batteries it's always um it's always going to get used for the good cause what I love too
07:03:12.860 about all the different tpas i think i said it in the first segment is we all have kind of our lane
07:03:17.480 like almost all of us have signs but we all each have something specific that we are talking about
07:03:24.340 so it's not like oh well my money is going to go to six of the same things it is not right it's
07:03:29.560 absolutely not it's going to go to six different things and and that just completely helps build
07:03:34.940 up that message build up the movement and get all the message out there in a way that all the
07:03:39.920 different people can hear it and understand it and so there's no bad
07:03:43.540 dollar spent on anything I think that's a really good point because there are
07:03:46.400 some people say well look there's so many groups it's divided no it's just
07:03:49.240 the different groups appeal to different segments of the population like not
07:03:52.100 everybody's the same not everybody's convinced by the same argument or you
07:03:56.540 know or the same appeal or whatever so you need different groups that have
07:03:59.480 different arguments and different appeals to different segments of the
07:04:01.800 population yeah so the more TPAs there are the better because they can reach
07:04:05.180 more people yeah not only that but it's been fascinating just watching like how
07:04:09.440 everything changed over the last two years like before it was alberta prosperity project they
07:04:14.240 were the ones leading the charge they're rallying everybody and then it became state free alberta
07:04:18.720 and that's when things took off because we had one job to get the signatures and that's it just
07:04:23.920 go get the signatures done and then once it was done it went from one job to literally like 30 40
07:04:30.160 different kinds of jobs we have to do alberta prosperity projects focusing on the political
07:04:34.560 angle because we're going to need that we're going to need to be able to pressure our government
07:04:37.760 and then all these other different tpas have popped up to be able to focus on different things like
07:04:42.320 we just had john for those who just turned in who's literally his entire tpa is getting alberta
07:04:47.200 flags across the country or the province and stickers yeah and the tpas are really important
07:04:52.960 and that's one thing i want to emphasize really quick the reason why we have tpas is so that way
07:04:57.600 it's albertans talking to albertans in this campaign it's very critical despite what forever
07:05:03.360 canadian and other groups might be doing we are able to look and say this is just an albertan
07:05:08.400 movement with albertans with albertan money and we like it that way it's perfect and we're happy
07:05:14.080 to continue doing that eventually the referendum is going to be over and things are going to move
07:05:18.240 into the next phase but right now that's the reason why these tpas are so important and that's
07:05:22.400 why we ask you to donate to as many as you can as much as you can afford don't because this is for
07:05:27.680 our future but that being said putting food on your table is also very important and something
07:05:31.840 if i can jump in please um for the tpas to remember so it stands for third party advertiser
07:05:37.120 in this case it's for the referendum um i know some people have been pretty hard on elections
07:05:41.360 alberta and i'm going to root for them one more time by saying we've never done this to them before
07:05:47.040 true ever yeah good right good point and and so this is all new for everybody it's new legislation
07:05:53.120 it's a new workload for everybody it's so we're all trying to feel this out and i've often said
07:05:59.040 that this side of the conversation is literally their worst nightmare because we're doers right
07:06:04.400 we just we get up and we see something needs to get done and we go we do it you don't ask
07:06:08.080 permission you just get it done and there's legislation around this and so we've you know
07:06:14.160 some of us who get up a little earlier than others have had to back up and go oh shoot sorry i didn't
07:06:18.720 mean to do it that way how can i fix it what can i do to make this better and so some patience has
07:06:23.440 been required because of that and and the reason that we have kind of these um fences if you will
07:06:30.400 around what we do as tpas is because i don't know if you all know this or not but in canada
07:06:36.000 there's a small problem with foreign interference i have to report every dollar that comes in even
07:06:43.840 if i don't have to tell them who gave it when it's under the 50 mark i have to report it all
07:06:49.600 and I and I'm under the I'm obligated to to sign my name that yep these are all from Albertans
07:06:57.680 and so there's reasons there's reasons for these parameters and we want to make sure we're following
07:07:02.720 the rules so that's why they have tpas yeah yeah it is you know just like many other things you
07:07:09.840 know you you something starts off as a the intention is good the the ethics behind it is
07:07:15.600 good um and just like so many things it can be corrupted and pushed and maneuvered and bent and
07:07:23.040 you know so yeah we that's a great attitude to have because we don't want to antagonize our you
07:07:27.840 know as as easy as it is and maybe as fun as it is sometimes to antagonize like dumb bureaucracy
07:07:34.480 yeah we still got to play the game if you know if we want to be taken seriously and and and be
07:07:39.360 legitimate and of course we do because just like you said mr wagner this is a legal process this
07:07:44.720 Mr. Wagner.
07:07:45.660 Well, he was Professor Wagner earlier.
07:07:49.560 He's demoted.
07:07:50.660 Depends how serious the point is.
07:07:52.980 If we're talking hockey, he's just Mike.
07:07:57.820 Go Flames.
07:08:00.040 Anyway, like I said, great to have you here.
07:08:03.600 But, yeah, you know, they will seize,
07:08:06.280 somebody will seize any opportunity to call this illegitimate
07:08:10.600 and to make it difficult for us.
07:08:12.460 because we are you know like it or not sort of like you say we've never done this before and we
07:08:16.380 are we are the change you know like this is the it doesn't take any guts to say like no i'm happy
07:08:23.420 with how everything is yeah i don't want i'll have more of this please thank you you know that's the
07:08:28.360 default you know forever canada is the default we're the ones who are rocking the boat a little
07:08:33.360 bit and so yeah it makes sense you know we want to want to keep everything above board and we're
07:08:38.080 the ones that when we hear those those arguments back to us or those excuses
07:08:42.080 back to us oh it's gonna be too hard it's gonna be it's like huh what good
07:08:46.480 like anything good is worth doing right right let's go what's actually gonna be
07:08:51.880 hard about it I mean like half of the institutions we already have we already
07:08:54.880 have an Alberta Revenue Agency what borders do we have to really protect
07:08:58.780 like Canada isn't going to invade us even if Canada invades even if Canada
07:09:06.760 invades us though we have more veterans in our province than the canadian army has in the entire
07:09:13.300 army it's not really like that big of a deal and they have cold war era weapons actually the a 0.90
07:09:18.080 funny point about invading if i can just interrupt that's always my favorite objection is that the u.s
07:09:23.900 is going to invade us if we become independent and because we won't have a military as if the
07:09:30.180 only thing that's preventing the u.s from invading us now is canada's military superiority
07:09:34.320 actually it would take longer to invade alberta than it would on ottawa because ottawa is only
07:09:40.520 45 minutes away yeah whereas alberta is five hours away oh sorry guys we're getting cut off
07:09:46.600 we're going to paul's pizza soon kathy michael thank you guys so much for this this has been
07:09:51.840 so fun thank you you guys are rock stars this is fun this is amazing we really appreciate guys
07:09:56.920 so john we got to do this again i'm just saying yes john we're putting you to work
07:10:00.980 yeah and guys tune in you'll be hearing from uh mr dale or mr mr alberton and mrs alberton down
07:10:09.780 at paul's pizza it'll be a live stream if you're in the area feel free to come by and then at nine
07:10:14.260 o'clock you're coming back here for fringe showing up with keith wilson so there's a lot of stuff
07:10:19.320 still coming up but please donate today donate and help us to be able to push this movement forward
07:10:25.660 so albertatelethon.com thanks everyone
07:10:30.980 Wow what a fantastic crowd. There are thousands of our fellow Albertans here today. Thank
07:10:43.220 you for being at the largest ever rally for Alberta sovereignty in Alberta's history.
07:10:53.360 We are at an inflection point ladies and gentlemen, a time in history where we have 1.00
07:11:00.720 a choice and that choice is do we continue to be subservient to ottawa and the enslavement by our 0.97
07:11:09.520 federal government or do we chart or do we chart a new path forward to freedom and prosperity 0.76
07:11:17.200 through independence we have the leverage we have the power we have the ability to empower
07:11:28.000 our provincial government to be able to for the first time in history negotiate a new sovereign
07:11:35.760 Alberta from a position of strength and that position of strength comes from a successful
07:11:41.200 referendum on Alberta sovereignty Albertans it's time we face the truth Ottawa's system cannot be
07:11:48.800 fixed from within every path to fairness is blocked by design every single year we lose
07:11:56.560 between 20 and 28 billion dollars in equalization payments. That's about 6,000
07:12:03.020 per Albertan. Or for an average family of four that's 24,000 dollars your family
07:12:09.400 gives away to Ottawa for no services in return.
07:12:18.180 That's money that you earned and money you'll never see again. But after all
07:12:25.160 these things they have not yet broken our spirit Alberta is not getting a fair
07:12:31.880 deal in Canada right now and here's the truth if we actually want real change
07:12:38.000 the kind that means opening up the Constitution that's nearly impossible
07:12:42.020 for Albertans to do on our own but if we vote yes in a sovereignty referendum
07:12:48.140 that changes everything suddenly alberta is not begging to be heard we'd be negotiating from a
07:12:57.380 position of strength for the first time in our history and when that happens when we vote yes
07:13:04.120 to sovereignty ottawa will listen i'm told constantly on my channel fringe there is no
07:13:11.100 way you can vote your way out of this mess. I beg to differ. Alberta, you've been handed
07:13:20.040 a golden ticket. You've been given a golden opportunity. You've said for years your vote
07:13:25.520 has no weight in the federal elections. Our Senate is unrepresented. Our votes just put
07:13:31.880 bums in chairs while Toronto, Southern Ontario, and Montreal decide who runs our country.
07:13:38.020 But this vote, ladies and gentlemen, this vote gives you more weight and more power
07:13:43.500 than you've ever had in your life.
07:13:47.060 If you are a true Albertan, you owe it to your children, grandchildren, your future
07:13:51.920 great-grandchildren to vote for prosperity to ensure that there is a land left here for
07:13:58.560 them that they can afford homes, they can have families, they can build memories and
07:14:03.260 they can be prosperous and free.
07:14:06.220 But I'm confident that no matter what happens in that process, and this is critically important,
07:14:13.540 that next year, whether it's in the spring or the fall, there will be a province-wide
07:14:19.380 referendum.
07:14:28.340 we cannot for the sake of our children underestimate underestimate the magnitude of that challenge
07:14:37.780 we have to get like 1.8 million albertans to vote yes that means that means every
07:14:46.740 single one of you is now charged with a mission and that mission is to talk to your friends
07:14:53.780 Talk to your colleagues at work, the guys on your shift, the people in your baseball team or your hockey league, everybody that you encounter, to have the awkward discussions, to get them to understand the opportunity that's before us, the opportunity that how they will benefit, how their family will benefit, how their community will benefit, how their kids will benefit by voting yes.
07:15:22.020 that is the imperative that we all have we can do it you must do it are we going to fight for our
07:15:28.980 kids there's a lot of people here today but it's not enough we need more people which means that
07:15:40.220 each and every one of you you need to ask yourself are you willing to make the sacrifices necessary
07:15:47.800 specifically with your time to make this happen? Are you willing to actually go and have the
07:15:54.160 difficult conversations with those who may scoff at you so that you can make these changes? Are you
07:16:01.060 willing to give up your Friday night or your Saturday night, like most of these people have
07:16:05.700 been doing for the last three, four years, to make this happen? And if you're willing to answer yes,
07:16:13.460 which i'm sure most of you are then you need to walk the walk when you leave here you need to
07:16:18.640 start doing these things you need to educate yourselves on what the situation we're in and
07:16:24.540 what the solution looks like you need to know the details so that when you have these conversations
07:16:29.660 you're an effective ambassador for independence every one of you is an ambassador for alberta
07:16:36.560 Independence. Did you know that? So just insane. I've got a little thing. Kearney's got the elbows
07:16:46.420 up thing going. You know, it's kind of a hockey thing, right? I'm a hockey player. I'm going to
07:16:53.820 tell you a little thing about hockey players. There's a challenge that goes on. I don't know
07:16:58.800 if you're aware of it, but I'm aware of it. Sometimes guys will sidle up to you and say,
07:17:04.600 come on let's go do you want to go so at that moment you either do or you don't
07:17:13.820 and if you don't that guy probably owns you and you're a little intimidated and then once you
07:17:21.780 get intimidated it stops everything from working so here's what I'm going to ask you let's change
07:17:27.320 that up because the answer to come on let's go is let's go right so I'm going to ask you as a group
07:17:39.960 you know there's a double meaning there come on let's go
07:17:45.320 so that's going to be the battle cry for our movement how about that
07:17:52.360 so I'm going to ask you a question and then you can tell me if you want to go or not is the
07:17:59.660 federal government stealing from us are they sabotaging our industry are they taking us down
07:18:07.880 the path to communism are they censoring us are they stealing our guns from us come on let's go
07:18:17.660 thank you very much
07:18:20.300 I want to tell every one of you that's here today, I have never been so proud to be an
07:18:30.980 Albertan.
07:18:35.120 I look out across that sea of blue flags and I see that today, going forward, should be
07:18:41.540 know on October 25th is Alberta Independence Day. It's time to end the
07:18:52.100 tyranny of Ottawa and keep our money at home to take care of our families, fund
07:18:57.860 Alberta education, fund our hospitals, fund our doctors, fund our Indigenous
07:19:02.540 people and take care of Albertans. And there is only one solution, and that is 0.94
07:19:13.160 to get Alberta the hell out of Canada and become an independent country.
07:19:23.980 I want to thank all of you for coming out today. Again, I can't tell you how
07:19:30.860 proud I am today to be in Albertan, to see all of you here standing for
07:19:36.400 independence, standing up for your families, standing up for the future of
07:19:40.820 your children and your grandchildren and a prosperous future for this province.
07:19:45.960 Thank you all so much for coming out. God bless all of you. God bless.
07:20:00.860 when you go outside the problem is this mic is going to pick up both of us
07:20:07.740 oh you know what i mean yeah so if you're walking around it's actually not good yeah
07:20:12.900 i'll hold this what i'll do then when people come up i'll just do this yeah good idea and then
07:20:25.940 and when you're here i'll do that and then yeah oh we're on hey guys oh hey everybody
07:20:32.820 guys everybody we're live right now on location at paul's pizza
07:20:47.760 welcome to paul's restaurant guys
07:21:02.820 Ha ha! We got everybody, both sides, fill her up. 1.00
07:21:06.300 You just click wherever you want to do it. 0.99
07:21:09.400 Let's go!
07:21:10.120 Make sure you fill out all the information.
07:21:12.680 If you don't have all the reports, then legally you have to give some information.
07:21:17.680 Make sure you fill it all out.
07:21:20.680 My two people is from me, so even the ones that I...
07:21:25.180 ...to fill out that message for you tonight.
07:21:27.420 So we're going to be interviewing them, and then you can decide which one you want to support.
07:21:32.820 Or if you want to support all of them, the maximum you can donate in total is $5,000.
07:21:38.800 So that's albertatelethon.com.
07:21:41.520 And we're here at the wonderful party.
07:21:44.160 Look at all these people here.
07:21:46.060 Everybody, there's Tanya.
07:21:49.460 Come on up with Tanya.
07:21:56.180 And hang on a second here.
07:21:58.240 Hi, Tanya.
07:21:59.220 How's it going?
07:22:00.700 I'm going to use just one microphone.
07:22:02.400 Sure.
07:22:02.580 sounds good so this is uh tanya clements hi famous or infamous what's your what's your tpa
07:22:10.900 called and give us your plug uh we'll have a tpa with keith wilson it's called let alberta decide
07:22:16.020 and our goal is try to reach the undecideds and anyone that's just disgruntled with the way that
07:22:20.980 ottawa has been treating alberta historically and reach out to them and be able to engage
07:22:25.940 them in conversation yeah thank you so much for all the work you're doing oh thank you thank you
07:22:30.020 too. It takes a whole army of us. I was following the Expos today that you're making,
07:22:35.460 $35,000 you've raised so far. I think actually we're over $45,000 today. So John Bolton's
07:22:41.380 telethon is incredible. This is amazing for Alberta. It's incredible. Yeah, so well,
07:22:46.580 thank you so much. And I hope the other TPAs are making money too. So what do you plan to do with
07:22:53.180 the money exactly? People want to know where their money's going. Well, some of our money is going
07:22:57.420 towards our sign campaign right now and we're doing like a hybrid of traditional campaign
07:23:02.460 strategies all the successful ones that you would typically see but then we also have a very
07:23:06.520 sophisticated behind the scenes digital strategy that is marketing and targeting that undecided
07:23:12.500 group and trying to bring them into the conversation yeah well something i've been thinking about a lot
07:23:17.680 is like how do we get through to the conservative who agrees with everything that we're saying
07:23:23.860 except they won't take it to the next step where independence is the rational thing how do we
07:23:28.860 communicate to those people i think that's actually where this referendum for a referendum
07:23:32.640 is a little bit of like a blessing in disguise because if you vote option one in this referendum
07:23:38.100 you're voting for the status quo and you take away all power that alberta has in confederation
07:23:43.400 but if you vote for option two you're going to enable you're going to enable our provincial
07:23:48.680 government with all the strength to negotiate from a position of power with our federal government
07:23:53.600 so whether you are fully independent or you just want Alberta to have strength
07:23:57.740 that's what option two is going to give you
07:24:00.040 it's like okay now that if we get a successful win on this
07:24:04.040 then we're sending Ottawa a message
07:24:06.500 and then I suspect they're going to come back with their best possible offer to us
07:24:11.640 that's what I would expect
07:24:13.520 and maybe it'll be really enticing
07:24:15.880 I doubt that they're going to open up the constitution
07:24:17.880 to make the constitutional change we require
07:24:20.280 but they might come back with something really strong
07:24:22.960 yeah i don't know at least we have some power then to force them to come back with an offer
07:24:27.920 yeah well and i think that assuages a lot of people in the middle on this
07:24:32.240 we're like okay we don't know what we're gonna if we're really ready to leave out of canada yet
07:24:37.120 but send a message and uh see what we can get and then at least in the real referendum they know
07:24:43.200 what they're voting for because then it's like canada's giving us the best offer and they're
07:24:46.880 like wait a minute that's still not good enough so then you know hopefully then they they i want
07:24:53.840 independence i want freedom yeah and those of us that do support independence we definitely will
07:24:58.400 we'll take that opportunity to try to bring them in to the independent side of the movement and
07:25:02.720 speak to the merits of sovereignty but the first referendum question is just if you're agreed and
07:25:08.240 you feel it's unjust how we've been treated you have to vote option two yeah and then it's our
07:25:12.560 job to try to convince you that you know what pursuing independence is going to give us all
07:25:16.320 the things that we've been asking for yeah wow yeah so uh on your on the campaign trail what are
07:25:21.920 some of the big questions that people have been asking you uh they ask a lot about the uncertainty
07:25:27.200 of the future they're worried about that actually when i talk to people it usually comes from two
07:25:30.640 places it comes from fear of change of uncertainty and then um a position of just really having a
07:25:37.040 patriotism towards canada and a love for canada as we all do like we grew up with these ideals of
07:25:41.840 what canada was and is supposed to be to us so that's where the hesitancy comes from and then
07:25:47.120 people are just concerned about how it's going to affect their their personal and their family life
07:25:52.320 going forward so whether it's pensions or their paychecks or their job security yeah so questions
07:25:59.680 so fear and patriotism that's what i've been finding with my youtube videos as well yeah
07:26:04.160 because i i go around making videos and talking to people right and like i think the patriotism
07:26:10.160 argument confuses me but when i think about the risk argument like the uncertainty it's like
07:26:16.080 there's two ways to look at risk right there's the risk of changing which is uncertain there's
07:26:21.920 going to be big uh changes and there's going to be unforeseen things if we're being honest right
07:26:27.040 with independence but then there's risks of staying and we know what those are tell us what
07:26:32.560 the risks of staying are in your in your mind yeah that's how i phrase it too that the certainty of
07:26:36.800 where canada is headed is far scarier than any uncertainty of giving us a new nation and being
07:26:42.320 able to carve our own path yeah so we know how taxation is going to go we know that our property
07:26:47.280 rights are going to be continued to be shipped away at we know that our children the next
07:26:51.840 generations are going to have an increased affordability issue so not going to be able
07:26:55.520 to afford homes till well into their 40s likely we know where it's headed for canada so do we want
07:27:02.000 to vote for the status quo or do we want to empower our government for some change and some
07:27:06.400 leverage yeah like 20 years ago when i was 20 um i bought my first house the average age to buy a 1.00
07:27:14.960 house was like 22 and now it's like 45 you know there's no hope for young people like that's a
07:27:21.120 risk of staying in canada if you if you vote forever canada that's what you're voting for
07:27:26.480 we know the path you're on and this is an opportunity to get off of it yeah think about
07:27:31.520 if we could end the equalization payments and keep that money that we send out east that does
07:27:36.640 nothing and comes back to us at all if we kept that where we are and we also released the resource
07:27:42.560 potential that our province has what kind of future we could build for albertans what kind of
07:27:47.040 services we could provide classroom sizes our health care like the amount we could invest in
07:27:52.800 our communities is astronomical like it's limitless yeah i got a confession to make so
07:27:57.840 during the referendum on equalization i voted to keep it oh really i did and my rationale was
07:28:05.600 i actually wanted to share with canada i'm like i want to share i'm like that's fair i i love
07:28:11.040 people in canada and i want to share with them but then what changed my mind on this now is like
07:28:16.960 they want us to pay but then they won't let us develop our industry and our economy and our
07:28:23.760 resources they make policies that hold us back and they spite us and they hate us i feel like
07:28:28.960 they hate us with all the policies that they put in place like that changed my mind yeah i feel
07:28:34.800 like that's the common sentiment of how ottawa treats us and it's not a grievance with canada
07:28:40.000 we obviously love canada we want to be good neighbors in the future but the way that we've
07:28:44.640 been treated by ottawa is what compels us to pursue independence and yeah we have paid a lot
07:28:50.000 into this confederation and we've taken very good care of other nations like monetarily so why punish
07:28:56.640 us why why pass all these bills that hurt our industries yeah like that's the question why like
07:29:03.120 i don't see it and that changed my mind the reason i'm telling you this is because i think i was one
07:29:08.240 of the people in the middle i changed my mind on some things i used to be much more centrist in my
07:29:13.440 my politics but uh now i just see i see our freedoms being eroded i'm really concerned
07:29:19.520 about free speech i'm concerned about religious freedom i'm concerned about the gun ban and i see
07:29:26.000 that independence is the only way to to get our freedoms guaranteed right and i think this actually
07:29:32.480 is it's it should be non-partisan because it should be about alberta's future and not which
07:29:37.360 side of the political spectrum you you sit on it becomes partisan just by people's nature i believe
07:29:43.440 but it's not it should be unifying to pursue self-determination and prosperity for us and for
07:29:50.560 future generations that should be a unifying principle and maybe the pathway we don't quite
07:29:54.560 agree on it yet but i can tell you option two is what takes us a step closer to achieving that
07:29:59.920 that's right uh get because this is a live stream repeat everything you said about your tpa
07:30:06.000 because people might just be logging in so what's your tpa where can they go to support it
07:30:11.120 so keith wilson and i have the tpa called let alberta decide you can go to let albertadecide.com
07:30:17.200 it's on pretty much all the socials uh today because of this telethon and all the support
07:30:22.800 from albertans and john bolton taking the initiative to put this on we've raised over
07:30:27.120 forty five thousand dollars today which is amazing and i promise we will put that to very good use
07:30:31.760 and this is absolutely something that we can win yeah and so then you can go to uh albertatelethon.com
07:30:39.040 and then you can click on the link for for let alberta decide or you can click on the link for
07:30:44.480 all the different tpas like you can donate to all the different tpas up to a maximum of five
07:30:49.920 thousand dollars per person per corporation so yeah oh per person per corporation yeah so a
07:30:57.360 corporation counts as a single entity so if you have a business it can also donate five thousand
07:31:01.760 dollars towards the referendum through tpas i could donate five thousand personally five thousand
07:31:07.360 with my company you can if you're in the position to do that you certainly can yeah and you can
07:31:11.920 donate five dollars and that helps too yeah well and that's what i was just saying like i'm looking
07:31:15.680 at some of these cory morgan signs that are right here and it's like they cost about five bucks a
07:31:20.000 pop you know and uh and they're all working towards the same message right so you know you donate 10
07:31:26.960 bucks then you kind of paid for your sign you paid one for a free person for someone else
07:31:32.640 so this if you feel you can't give you know all that money every little bit counts right so
07:31:39.520 if everybody gives a little bit we can win this well it's just like the traditional telethons
07:31:43.760 they used to have like the ones for the children's hospital and i remember growing up watching the
07:31:47.200 country 105 ones yeah and people would donate 25 or 100 not thinking that they were actually going
07:31:53.360 going to make any change but when enough people do that you make substantial change yeah it's
07:31:58.620 pretty amazing yeah exactly awesome well thank you so much tanya thanks for all the work thank
07:32:04.080 you for all that you do too appreciate it so much all right have a great day okay guys so here's the
07:32:12.120 next uh i just want to check my sound quality first of all sound is still good i think everybody
07:32:18.200 can hear me come on over jason how are you absolutely nice and lively in here tonight
07:32:25.640 isn't it yeah awesome okay so give us the plug for your tpa okay so the levine show tpa what
07:32:32.280 we're doing is we're putting up billboards and lawn signs everywhere large events with debates
07:32:36.760 we actually could just announce that we've got stockwell day and bruce party agreeing to do a
07:32:41.080 debate stockwell for the federalist side bruce for the independent side will be releasing that
07:32:46.120 one in september and we got a few more in the works we're even trying to get one of the other
07:32:50.200 gpas on the other side to agree to sit down yeah we've already had some communication so i'm excited
07:32:55.400 that we actually might be able to make that one work yeah wow so you agreed to get stock well day
07:32:59.960 so because people always want to know what is your where where's the money going if i donate to you
07:33:05.000 so you're answering that question continue answering that question about 80 of the money
07:33:09.480 goes to lawn signs that we hand out all over alberta we're just up in grand prairie left
07:33:13.560 bridge medicine that we're going all over alberta to handle long science we have some here tonight
07:33:17.560 as well about 10 of the budget has gone towards the billboards the digital billboards in edmonton
07:33:23.400 and the other 10 is about producing the events booking the venue getting the hotels get everybody
07:33:28.920 involved so roughly 80 10 10 is where we put the budget right now yeah so like as far as the
07:33:35.320 political things like this go that's a really effective way to give their money like you're
07:33:40.040 using it effectively and so i appreciate all the work you're doing here so where can people go to
07:33:45.960 donate they go to levineshow.com gpa they also go to the albertatelethon.com you'll find our
07:33:52.760 donate button there as well uh you can mail it to us we take checks through the mail we do credit
07:33:58.440 card we do e-transfer then in-person events we can take cash as well yeah well and there's a cash
07:34:04.040 bucket floating around here it was getting pretty heavy well that's good because we're up against a
07:34:09.560 billion dollar machine yeah and that's just the media here in canada it's a trillion dollar
07:34:13.640 machine when you look at the globalist level of things yeah they don't want for people to have
07:34:17.800 this kind of independence right because it's contagious yeah when other countries and other
07:34:21.720 places see what we're doing here they're going to start doing that too so we talked about the cbc
07:34:27.240 and the canadian media being like 1.4 or 1.6 billion or it gets a trillion dollar machine yeah
07:34:32.360 that wants to keep the globalists all together yeah yeah well and that's a really insightful
07:34:37.160 point is they don't want this to spread but you know okay the other side they're not reporting
07:34:43.240 their expenses and elections alberta says they don't have to and that's a big pile of bs
07:34:49.480 but here's the thing we're raising money from small little groups like this right and events
07:34:56.280 like this is truly grassroots that's what gives me hope for independence like it's the people
07:35:02.440 supporting this and like look at how big this is twenty dollars from thousands and thousands of
07:35:08.120 people is how a lot of the grassroots movements happen this is what elected trump it was twenty
07:35:12.600 dollars at a time it wasn't twenty million dollars at a time and it came to brexit as well that was
07:35:18.040 a grassroots effort funded by 20 pounds at a time and look what they were able to accomplish when
07:35:23.640 people get together and they feel the support from each other they step up and i this is definitely
07:35:29.000 one of our best days when it comes to the gpa fundraising yeah we said lots of generosity
07:35:33.480 keith wilson donated to us today we're very pleased that even amongst the gpas people are
07:35:38.760 working together to get things done at the end of the day it's going to take a large army to get
07:35:43.400 this done oh yeah not one general not one soldier it's going to take a large army yeah that's why
07:35:49.720 i encourage people to donate a little bit to each gpa actually because it would be terrible actually
07:35:56.440 if we piled it all into one tpa and they got way over and then where does that money go if it goes
07:36:01.560 over well i'm sure it's something like keith wilson's team they'll make sure they don't go over
07:36:06.200 because that can get you into a little bit of trouble but it's 607 000 that's a pretty
07:36:10.600 sizable more chest and they're going to probably be there in the next couple of weeks at the rate
07:36:14.200 they're going yeah but i like the idea of giving to a whole bunch of ppas yeah there's a lot of
07:36:19.080 people to remember that at 250 or below your name doesn't pop up in the lexington wilberta website
07:36:25.480 but it also means you can go 250 per tpa yeah and you still won't be on the website because it's
07:36:30.120 by tpa it's each individual tpa and then if you're under 50 then it's completely anonymous yeah 50
07:36:37.560 below could be a cash anonymous donation or even online at 50. some people do 49.99 you can give
07:36:44.600 us that last penny because it's a 50 or below yeah you're good to go yeah and so what i've been
07:36:49.960 telling people is these signs they cost about what five bucks a piece five to seven depending
07:36:55.160 on the quantity yeah you get it to the thousands close to the five and that's where we're at now
07:36:59.960 okay we distributed about three thousand now just in the last three days grand prairie and
07:37:05.960 i came all over alberta we gave away about 800 signs so we're doing good and i just want to let
07:37:11.240 your the viewers know yeah we have some fantastic support on the highway in rocky mountain and in
07:37:17.560 rimby there's so many people that would give the thumbs up or support they didn't honk because they
07:37:22.680 maybe a little bit too embarrassed or don't want anybody to know but lots of support in rocky
07:37:27.560 mountain we even had a bus from the first patients go by and the driver gave us a honk and a thumbs
07:37:32.440 up yeah so there's a lot more support than the media will ever tell anybody right now i tell you
07:37:36.440 that yeah well you think about hey todd come on over and say hi every time i see him i say hi
07:37:44.040 yeah todd's a great volunteer of ours as well he helps out when we're in drumheller and stettler
07:37:48.680 in other areas but but like that's that's a good example like all of these people here
07:37:54.840 they came out to show their support you know and a lot of the people that i talk to you
07:37:59.560 they actually say that they would they've never been engaged before they've never donated or
07:38:04.840 volunteered before um until now and uh you know myself i was kind of involved in politics
07:38:11.560 more than the average person was before this but i was really disillusioned alberta independence
07:38:17.720 it gives me hope. It gives us
07:38:19.740 a lot of hope, too. And people are worried
07:38:21.800 that their name's going to be on a list, a bank account
07:38:23.780 will be frozen. Keep in mind, unlike
07:38:25.800 the convoy for the truckers,
07:38:27.660 this is a sanctioned Alberta
07:38:29.260 independence campaign run
07:38:31.640 through Elections Alberta, which means
07:38:33.680 it's not something that the government can step on.
07:38:36.040 This is a regular campaign
07:38:37.880 that any other election in Alberta would have.
07:38:39.940 And we also don't have to submit your name
07:38:41.600 if it's $50 or less. So if you're
07:38:43.660 worried about your name being on a list, donate $50.
07:38:45.720 next week maybe another 50 next week maybe another 50 yeah and keep in mind it is a sanction we are
07:38:52.140 registered as a third party advertiser so don't be afraid the government will step on your toes
07:38:56.600 on this yeah well and i think a lot of people are afraid of this right it it doesn't take any
07:39:01.720 courage to put a canada flag up right now because that's just the status quo and this is still
07:39:06.640 canada right but like it takes a lot of courage to put an alberta flag or an alberta sign up
07:39:12.640 uh or to donate or to volunteer or to even talk about it and so what i what i find a lot of people
07:39:18.560 that they they accuse us they say like you're never gonna win right like that's that's that's
07:39:26.320 their argument i guess it's not an argument but that's what they say and it's like once they see
07:39:31.160 look at all these people you know you say we're never gonna win but look at all these people
07:39:36.040 you know this is a good shot at winning i agree with that completely and keep in mind that those
07:39:42.000 people that don't have any other argument they're not providing us with a good reason to stay
07:39:45.900 they're not convincing me that this will be a place for my children to grow up in and be
07:39:49.480 prosperous they're not removing the criminal code that takes away the bible from us they're
07:39:54.600 not actually stepping up and doing anything of positivity so all they have is breaking windows
07:39:58.980 spray-pacing signs and trying to convince us that we're just not going to win but that's not the
07:40:03.620 alberta way we came and prospered here when it was frozen land there was no roads we built it and did
07:40:09.980 it so i absolutely believe that the courage is there the conviction is there and also christ
07:40:14.900 is on our side on this amen christ is on our side put god first in everything um you're talking
07:40:21.760 about the albertan culture uh perseverance adversity these are the things that make us 0.70
07:40:27.760 stronger and uh this morning i interviewed uh the guy from cool shit wholesale in red yeah they
07:40:34.840 smashed his windows you know yeah and it's like they want to discourage us but they're not going
07:40:40.040 to discourage us he's going to fix those windows and uh and and i'm going to make i made a video
07:40:45.400 that's going to get published it's going to get thousands of views and that's going to make us
07:40:50.200 stronger well yeah they smashed his windows that's about two thousand dollars but while we were there
07:40:55.720 there's about seven thousand dollars worth of sales that happened yeah and everybody's going
07:40:59.560 there now for all their merchandise yeah even the tpas are going there to pick up flags and things
07:41:03.800 like that so this drives an effect like he just brought attention to it so now we want to support
07:41:08.200 him all the way for sure well hey hang on yeah where are the donation boxes over there the
07:41:14.920 donation box but i also reminded people that on the donation level you have one of these tpas
07:41:19.960 not reporting anything yeah and he has on his website that says there's no limit you can donate
07:41:24.120 as much as you want he's soliciting from outside of alberta publicly he's doing that he's clearly
07:41:29.320 not following the same rules that we are and why would you register as a tpa and not report it
07:41:34.200 because you don't want to show where the sources are and you don't want to work within the limits
07:41:38.120 so those are the kind of things that we're up against so i'm wondering if there's some kind
07:41:42.040 of legal recourse like can somebody sue forever canada force or sue elections alberta like this
07:41:49.080 is well in every revolution there's a side that will always cheat lie and do the wrong thing
07:41:55.080 they will like put in spies and try and disrupt things because they can't win on the field
07:41:59.480 they can't win on the actual messaging so they will do other things to do it i don't want to say
07:42:04.360 he's lying or cheating or stealing i'll let the public decide on that one but he's certainly not
07:42:08.840 followed by the same rules that we are and he doesn't report the same way we do okay give us
07:42:13.480 another plug for your tpa this time spell it out because your name is levine i don't maybe we can't
07:42:20.440 spell that spell everything out that might be might be hard to spell absolutely the levine show
07:42:24.600 t-h-e-l-a-v as in victor i-g-n-e-s-h-o-w.com yeah and from there you'll be able to support us
07:42:32.280 you can also go to albertatelecon.com and you'll find our link there as well yeah and the link is
07:42:37.560 probably in the description of this live stream so please go and donate show your support for
07:42:42.920 independence put your money where your mouth is thanks so much jason john thanks for everything
07:42:48.200 my children thank you and we're all going to fight for the same thing here god bless you god
07:42:52.280 bless you absolutely okay hey we got somebody else coming in all right come on over chris scott
07:43:05.320 what's that oh this is my microphone is that a recording device it's a recording device the
07:43:09.800 government puts chips in there and then they can like they can download the data from your phone
07:43:15.640 and they send it to the chinese in the communist party well i don't know about the chinese but i
07:43:21.000 want the government to know what i'm doing okay tell us more well i mean i want them to know that
07:43:25.400 we're advocating for self-determination that makes me happy i hope they're listening yeah hi yeah hi
07:43:31.960 you know and this is the thing i i feel like i've crossed the rubicon i watched from the sidelines
07:43:37.640 when all that covet stuff went down the freedom convoy i watched the sidelines and i said afterwards
07:43:43.720 i was ashamed that i didn't do anything because i have friends that joined up and i didn't do
07:43:48.280 anything i was afraid i was afraid that if i get freedom i was afraid of getting in trouble with
07:43:53.640 the government of you know i didn't know what the bank accounts happen yet but i was just afraid of
07:43:59.960 everything and uh and and now i'm like i will never i will never do that again i'm going to stand up
07:44:06.360 this is the time to shine i'm going to hold my shoulders up and i encourage other people to do
07:44:10.680 that as well you know we're we're all afraid of something um and i gotta say in in january 2021
07:44:19.720 i was terrified of the government yeah like i i people think that i just was brave it wasn't that
07:44:27.000 i was brave um i was what i i was less scared of the government what they might do than what i knew
07:44:34.120 was going to happen if i didn't stand up yeah so i was uh you know i thought about that and then i
07:44:39.320 i had to make a decision and part of the decision to stand up in civil disobedience was i also had
07:44:46.280 to accept what i believed was inevitable and that was i thought i was going to get crushed i thought
07:44:52.280 the government was going to destroy me bankrupt me find me in jail and so i thought about these
07:44:57.300 things and and i made peace with it and i accepted it because that because i knew that i had to do
07:45:02.520 something right yeah and i find like we're in another situation like the trucker convoy gave
07:45:08.020 so much hope for canada i wanted in i wanted unity but now i want out and this gives me hope
07:45:15.940 right independence is the thing that's giving me hope um but plug your tpa i don't have a tpa
07:45:22.900 you don't have a tpa no i'm not a tpa oh so i i uh i lead an organization called that stock alberta
07:45:29.380 okay we're not a third party advertiser we're not subject to uh contribution limits we can take
07:45:35.300 contributions from anybody anywhere at any time and there's no maximum also but you're not allowed
07:45:40.900 to say like go and vote this way or that way is that no i i share my opinion and my political
07:45:46.740 leanings and beliefs with people and i invite them to have a conversation with me about it
07:45:51.140 specifically i invite people here's my message i i believe that alberta independence is necessary
07:45:58.420 and inevitable yeah that's my opinion in october we're going to be asked a question of self
07:46:04.180 determination and that question one way or another is gonna we're gonna pursue it or not right so if
07:46:11.140 we know we're going to be asked the question i think we need to talk about these things
07:46:15.300 i want to make the best decision too so if somebody on the forever canadian side with
07:46:20.100 the status quo side if they believe that the current structure and situation within confederation
07:46:26.900 is the best for me and my family i want them to tell me tell me that explain why change my mind
07:46:33.060 right because if they don't do that and they really believe it i'm going to go into october
07:46:38.500 and i'll make a decision based on the information i have now that's why we need to talk so in your
07:46:43.780 travels what are some of the best arguments for canada you heard or what are the angles
07:46:49.060 that they seem to always take the best argument for canada yeah um the most the most difficult
07:46:57.940 one to challenge or debate is the emotional arguments oh i'm canadian i'll always be canadian
07:47:04.260 this is my country i'm patriotic patriotism i've realized patriotism uh it often blinds people to
07:47:11.700 the failings of their nation and it prevents them from doing something better so the emotional one
07:47:16.340 is difficult um the other the other one is fear fear of the unknown well well you don't know
07:47:22.260 exactly what independence is going to be for alberta you're right i don't i don't know if
07:47:27.460 it's going to be better even but i do know that we get to decide and whatever we decide we get to
07:47:33.460 to reap the benefits or suffer the consequence and if there's a consequence we don't like we can
07:47:38.340 decide to change things and make it better that's what it is for me well and you that whole risk
07:47:43.780 argument right the uncertainty the fear of the unknown i think if we're honest there there are
07:47:48.900 a lot of unknowns with independence and that's like intellectually honest but there's an uncertainty
07:47:55.540 of staying and so what are the risks of staying in canada well what what do we know in the last 20
07:48:02.260 years uh canada has experienced or alberta has experienced a net loss of approximately 150
07:48:08.340 billion dollars in investment capital uh in that time we lost the the flagship canadian energy
07:48:15.220 company and canna they they left and it wasn't because of what company was that and canna it
07:48:21.300 It wasn't because of independent sentiment.
07:48:22.980 It was because of federal policy that Alberta couldn't affect that caused them to abandon their business in Canada.
07:48:31.360 Like these are things we know.
07:48:33.520 If you look at where our dollar is, our dollar, our buying power has been plummeting.
07:48:37.820 Inflation is going up.
07:48:39.260 Social cohesion is disintegrating.
07:48:42.180 These are things that we know, right?
07:48:44.040 I know that if we don't do anything and we continue on that trajectory, 10 years from now, I'll be thinking back and I'll be thinking we should have done something.
07:49:00.880 Like if you put yourself in your own shoes 20 years ago, I know that's a tough thing to do, but just pretend you're 20 years younger.
07:49:06.800 And someone came to you and said, in Canada, in your Canada, you're going to have to attend church secretly, illegally, because if the government finds you, they're going to throw you in jail.
07:49:19.440 Or in your Canada, if you offend somebody, you're going to be fined or potentially jailed.
07:49:26.360 Would you believe that?
07:49:27.540 No, I wouldn't believe that.
07:49:28.820 I can't even believe we got to that point.
07:49:30.380 I know.
07:49:30.940 I know.
07:49:31.280 Now you think, what's it going to be like in 10 more years or 20 more years if we don't stop what's going on right now?
07:49:36.800 These are things we know.
07:49:38.660 The unknowns about what is our currency going to be,
07:49:41.280 what's the military going to be, all of those things,
07:49:43.400 I don't know, but we get to decide, and that's the opportunity.
07:49:46.620 We get to decide.
07:49:48.800 Albertans have nothing but good ideas.
07:49:51.300 Every Albertan I talk to is like good idea after good idea,
07:49:55.200 but they fall upon deaf ears.
07:49:57.420 We have no power at this point.
07:50:00.260 As a province of Canada, we are always outvoted.
07:50:03.740 We're always at the behest of Ottawa.
07:50:05.400 We have no power.
07:50:06.420 So independence is about asserting ourselves and deciding our future.
07:50:11.040 Alberta is deciding our future.
07:50:12.400 And even worse, sometimes we're the sacrificial lamb of the confederation.
07:50:16.120 I mean, look at the, when Carney was campaigning, they were ready to sacrifice Alberta.
07:50:21.100 Oh, we're going to turn off your oil, United States.
07:50:23.060 And Alberta's like, pardon me, that's like 100,000 jobs.
07:50:26.520 We're not just going to stop shipping oil to satisfy your trade war, right, without even talking to us about it.
07:50:32.780 So there's even more to it than just that.
07:50:35.820 Well, hey, Chris, thanks for all you do.
07:50:38.100 How can we support you?
07:50:39.900 Buy a burger at the Whistle Stop.
07:50:42.340 Well, okay, you also say in your talks that you're a capitalist.
07:50:46.880 So give us your plug.
07:50:48.600 So my website's whistlestop.ca, which I did prior to becoming a Sovereignist advocate.
07:50:55.920 I've got lots of stuff people can buy up there.
07:50:57.880 I love it when people come to the restaurant and eat our food because it's delicious,
07:51:00.820 and I love watching people enjoy their meals.
07:51:03.380 That makes me happy. 0.90
07:51:04.860 And I also, you know, Let's Talk Alberta is doing big things.
07:51:09.040 We have been since we started back in February.
07:51:11.540 We've been to, I don't know, 60 or 80 or 90 different places in Alberta.
07:51:16.900 Having these conversations.
07:51:19.360 We have our advertising is encouraging conversation, right?
07:51:23.980 Because the TPAs, they're putting lawn signs up.
07:51:26.200 They're putting out ads to vote this way, vote that way.
07:51:28.940 And the average Albertan, they don't know the facts.
07:51:31.260 They don't know what to support.
07:51:32.960 So our job is to have these conversations and hope that by the time the conversation's over, they know who they should support.
07:51:40.420 And to support Let's Talk Alberta, you can go to letstalkalberta.com, click the Donate button, no maximums.
07:51:46.040 You can donate from anywhere.
07:51:48.620 And what's the other one?
07:51:49.760 And it doesn't count towards any personal limit, right?
07:51:53.620 So you can do that.
07:51:54.760 Or you can send an e-transfer to letstalkalberta at gmail.com.
07:51:58.000 Hey, thanks so much, Chris.
07:51:59.160 If you want to see one of the things we're doing with our…
07:52:01.400 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
07:52:02.480 You guys, you want to watch this.
07:52:04.280 You want to watch this.
07:52:05.180 Hey, Al.
07:52:05.940 I'll light up some more for you.
07:52:07.280 Right here?
07:52:07.700 Oh, okay.
07:52:08.200 Hey, Al.
07:52:08.600 Sorry. 1.00
07:52:09.500 So this is the type of thing that Let's Talk Alberta wants to do. 1.00
07:52:12.120 Show it to the camera. 1.00
07:52:13.300 Right up close there.
07:52:14.700 This one?
07:52:14.980 Yeah, right in the valley.
07:52:16.300 This one?
07:52:17.180 Yeah.
07:52:17.880 Look at that.
07:52:18.580 That's the new unity bus.
07:52:21.260 Yeah.
07:52:21.780 Yeah, that's the real unity bus.
07:52:23.460 Well, and when we say unity, what are we talking about?
07:52:26.920 What are we unified towards?
07:52:28.240 Yeah.
07:52:28.680 What are Albertans unified for right now?
07:52:31.420 Yeah.
07:52:31.660 freedom and prosperity that's what we that's the banner we unify under i and and as for the
07:52:38.260 you know the other side the forever canadian third party advertiser they're the biggest one
07:52:42.280 out there i've actually started to agree with their lawn signs i i realized well no i agree
07:52:49.460 with the forever canadian lawn sign because one of the things that thomas thomas lakasik said
07:52:54.260 to discourage people from exploring alberta self-determination is that you'll lose your
07:52:59.520 canadian citizenship but you can't lose your canadian citizenship you will always be forever
07:53:05.120 canadian just alberta won't be part of confederation i'm going to denounce my citizenship
07:53:10.640 well i here's why i won't like i'm just going to stop filing my taxes with reverdy canada
07:53:16.780 i'll tell you why i'm i will keep my canadian citizenship because i consider it a huge blessing
07:53:22.060 to live in a country where my voice can be heard and i'm free to express my political views even
07:53:29.280 when my political views are so uh so big as to remove my province from confederation that's a
07:53:35.620 blessing to me and i do appreciate what canada has offered me in that regards i just don't agree with
07:53:40.540 where they're going now hey that's well said thanks so much chris yeah thanks all right have
07:53:46.000 a great day you too we'll see each other again yes yeah cheers come on over angela angela please
07:53:54.100 to meet you my name is John all right so what's your TPA Alberta women for
07:54:03.160 independence awesome all right so and how can people support you and donate to
07:54:08.020 you well you can go to our website it's a really long website address spell it
07:54:13.620 out slowly for the live stream abwomensindependencenetwork.com
07:54:20.680 oh it's easy to remember that abwomensindependencenetwork.com there you go
07:54:24.600 yeah now people always want to know what where the money goes when they donate so what are your
07:54:29.640 projects what are you doing sure so you know our focus for the last year and a half before we had
07:54:35.160 to register as a tpa has been education and especially reaching out to women uh inviting
07:54:41.720 them to be a part of the the conversation that we need to have in alberta and so we decided that we
07:54:47.240 are going to stick with that same focus so we are doing meetings all across the province
07:54:54.920 this week we have meetings in medicine hat red deer grand prairie fairview and high prairie
07:55:04.280 that's really spread out yeah it is and we're just kind of i mean kathy is up in shore parks
07:55:10.520 so she's my partner in crime and i'm down in the southwest and we're just kind of doing a conquer
07:55:16.200 and divide but sometimes we were able to come together so we're doing meetings where we are
07:55:20.840 inviting women especially to like i said get involved in the conversation so we've got
07:55:27.240 literature that we're handing out that they can share with their friends and family we've been
07:55:32.040 doing videos on each of the referendum questions we've got lawn signs everybody wants a lawn sign
07:55:39.320 um when we're at the meetings we're handing out t-shirts as well sometimes we're handing out
07:55:44.600 books if we can get a hold of them so the whole focus is on making sure that we are informed
07:55:51.080 voters um and just really kind of having a respectful dialogue like even if people come
07:55:58.280 to the meetings then they don't necessarily agree with what we're talking about at least we're
07:56:05.320 really fostering of an opportunity to have respectful dialogue to learn to relearn that
07:56:15.480 that's something that people used to be able to do you know they would sit around the coffee table
07:56:20.920 or whatever and they would go back and forth and share ideas and unfortunately we've lost that in
07:56:26.440 our current society and so our focus is on allowing people to to experience that again and to realize
07:56:33.480 it's okay yeah we can have these really hard conversations we always do it over dessert
07:56:40.680 that's kind of our tagline so if you come to the meeting you get dessert you get dessert
07:56:46.200 these conversations need dessert that's our tagline so yeah it's just a real great opportunity
07:56:53.080 to come together have that community have these discussions and yeah well what you said about how
07:57:00.760 we've lost this in society i really i'm perplexed by that because it actually feels like that you
07:57:07.560 know we talk over social media we talk past each other right and i feel like it's just shouting
07:57:13.400 past each other and when can you sit down with people and just have a reasonable conversation
07:57:19.480 you know and and that's what i i try to do with my channel as well you know i have a channel i talk
07:57:25.240 to people but i do find that most of the people who want to talk to me are men and it's like maybe
07:57:31.880 it's because i'm a man you know but so what are what are women what's the perspective like what
07:57:37.960 do women say about this because it's a group focus on women for independence well you know like
07:57:43.560 politics can be kind of an ugly game you know it's it can be very there's a lot of blustering a lot 0.93
07:57:49.640 of ego some aggression for a lot of women that's a turn off you know we're busy we're busy moms 1.00
07:57:57.240 we're busy grandmothers maybe we're the ones putting the bread on the table and so we just 0.98
07:58:02.360 don't have a lot of time for that but we do have time to get together and and to have these
07:58:11.080 conversations um while the facts are really important and the facts support the idea of
07:58:19.880 alberta independence that we could do this on our own there is also an emotional aspect to this
07:58:26.920 what we are asking people to do is actually very difficult for some a lot of our personal identity
07:58:34.440 is tied up in our nationality and so we're asking people to kind of step away from maybe
07:58:41.080 how they've been for 30 40 50 60 years and consider the possibilities of something new
07:58:49.880 and that takes time you can't just throw facts at somebody who's struggling with that and say
07:58:56.040 well what's wrong with you no it takes time and it takes you need to be able to process those
07:59:01.880 feelings and when you're sitting in a warm environment as we try to foster and you're
07:59:08.940 sharing food and you're having that discussion it's a lot easier to get past that than if you're
07:59:15.220 just being bombarded by facts and that's just the way women are we're fired differently it's okay
07:59:22.160 that's such a profound thing you say it's like you're sitting around in a small group sharing
07:59:27.900 food and that this is the context for how you're going to have these deep political conversations
07:59:34.780 what a brilliant idea like i'm so happy that you're doing that and you know what it is so fun
07:59:41.640 like we're just having an absolute blast with this and it's like every time i leave a meeting i'm
07:59:47.540 just like thank you lord like i just feel like my community has just grown even more and i just i
07:59:55.180 know who my peeps are and it's just this wonderful feeling we have lost community we have lost the
08:00:03.100 sense of unity that we used to have the sense of patriotism that we used to have and so that is
08:00:09.820 all part of this as well right that we are finding our people and and surrounding ourselves with
08:00:17.980 people who support us well like you said that we're finding our people right and if like we're
08:00:24.460 building a nation we're this is our these are our people here and when you're finding our people
08:00:30.800 you're bringing them together you're welcoming them into the community and uh that's how we
08:00:35.880 build our nation of alberta yeah wow yeah it's absolutely amazing and it just feels like there's
08:00:41.620 this real vacuum um just because of the way things are in our society right now i mean social media
08:00:49.780 i'm sure has a large effect on that but also i believe that the idea of unity has been
08:00:56.660 intentionally destroyed within canada well diversity is the opposite of unity kind of
08:01:03.460 isn't it and it's supposed to be our strength yeah unity is our strength unity is our strength
08:01:08.820 i was going to say that diversity is i mean you can be diverse in different ways in that we don't
08:01:15.300 have to be carbon copies of each other and we can have you know different life experiences or
08:01:20.580 whatever but you have to have something to unify yourself around if you don't have that you are
08:01:27.460 not a nation yeah like a shared dream for the future shared values right shared culture alberta
08:01:35.220 has a unique culture you know yes you know um talking to we did a series and i would recommend
08:01:43.860 if people want something good to watch we did a seven part series based on a paper
08:01:50.900 that colonel david redmond put together back in 2024 where he talks about the six national
08:01:57.220 interests and the first one is unity and he says if you are not surrounded or you are not unified
08:02:06.820 by shared values ethics and beliefs that's not shared culture and that's not shared religion
08:02:15.460 it's shared values ethics and beliefs so you have to find that commonality
08:02:20.980 then you are a nation he says if you do not have those shared values ethics and beliefs
08:02:26.820 you are not a nation that will last and i think our parents had that and we kind of had it our
08:02:32.900 generation and like our kids they don't have that and so independence is about our kids and having
08:02:40.260 what we know brought us together but hey angela give us one more good plug for your tpa and then
08:02:46.660 i'll keep moving on here well i just want to say thank you for all the support that we've received
08:02:52.020 today it is overwhelming and i mean kathy and i have been doing this for a year and a half
08:02:59.060 out of our own bank accounts we have never asked for donations so it's really odd to us to ask for
08:03:05.220 donations but today is just overwhelming the support and oh my goodness we just we pledge
08:03:12.580 that we are just every dollar to me is is almost sacred it represents a sacrifice that someone has
08:03:22.580 made for their belief in alberta independence and when we spend those dollars it is so carefully
08:03:30.980 because i keep that in mind but that's what people have done they have sacrificed for that okay so go
08:03:37.140 to albertatelethon.com and uh donate to the alberta women's independence network yes alberta women
08:03:44.180 for independence yes thanks angela thank you so much thank you hey hey so guess what's up what's
08:03:51.220 up we got a gentleman here that wants to uh make a challenge so hey everybody can we have a second
08:03:59.060 of your time please we got a gentleman here that would like to pose a challenge to the bar if he
08:04:05.620 could go ahead john john this is the bar bar this is john within the first 10 minutes of this
08:04:12.580 telethon way from sylvan lake put out a challenge
08:04:18.820 two hundred dollars is what he donated in cat
08:04:25.460 i was going i was going to put out a challenge but wade beat me to it and i came here today to
08:04:32.660 put a challenge out to everybody in this bar the donation jars are right over there
08:04:39.540 okay one over there i've got a 50 bill that i am going to put in the jar over there
08:04:50.260 way he's got his up as well so everybody in here take a 50 bill whatever you can
08:04:58.020 and let's fill those donation jars thank you thank you awesome thank you all right al so
08:05:08.980 it's been a great night you should take over an interview here take over an interview yeah interview
08:05:13.460 you have you shown the magnitude oh i can't show with this how you doing i'm good how are you
08:05:27.860 excellent i'm adam hi adam how are you doing doing good good what what brings you here tonight yeah
08:05:33.460 you know alberta is a very financially attractive location yes it is and one of the big things that
08:05:39.540 people are speculating and investigating is ai data centers yeah now ai data centers has a lot
08:05:45.380 of heat exhaustion yes it does and one purpose for that can be utilizing that to connect it to
08:05:52.100 greenhouses where is that alberta can utilize this to grow tropical plants vegetables and fruits to
08:06:00.420 boost the food economy yes so that way we had we could diversify our economic output by not only
08:06:08.180 being oil and gas but also being an incentivized hub for tech data centers yeah and also for food
08:06:15.540 creating an availability for it lowering the cost of living around food and even that heat output
08:06:22.180 could be utilized to also feed houses yeah so it could be a very cool political campaign to push
08:06:30.900 something like that well it could be we're gonna have to keep up with with the rest of the world
08:06:35.380 because the dei data centers are coming whether we like and not so we got to use we got to make
08:06:40.500 sure we use them for our advantage right yeah well that's something that we can't really decide as
08:06:46.100 far as an independent alberta goes but that once we become an independent alberta then we can decide
08:06:51.300 how we utilize it and what we do with it right yeah right now we have to become an independent
08:06:56.100 alberta before we can even get the choices to do that that's right because we have a lot of policies
08:07:01.700 yep but we can incentivize that politically if we were independent absolutely and i think we
08:07:06.180 have a lot of a lot of time to go hey guys sorry sure to catch up hey guys we got three minutes
08:07:13.220 left can we get a yahoo we are heading out i can't really take this off but there is a bunch
08:07:24.660 of people over on the other side of the of the room as well that you've seen
08:07:29.300 and apparently vicky has to go you want to talk we have vicky would like to say something
08:07:35.540 hello everybody i guess i'll get in front of the camera here so i just i wanted to give a quick
08:07:48.240 shout out there's been um so much support today i've loved watching all the speakers today and i
08:07:54.740 hope you are you know putting out your donations and helping everybody out but there are a few tpas
08:08:00.200 that have just formed recently and i want you guys all to be aware um especially about the
08:08:05.640 regional one so we have a brand new tpa that's just started up in the grand prairie peace river
08:08:11.480 area and i'm going to read it just so that i don't screw anything up it's called north alberta strong
08:08:17.800 and they're a third party advertiser that has come up in peace river grand prairie and again
08:08:22.840 they're out there to educate and get people to understand why they need to vote for option two
08:08:28.760 on October 19th so I just wanted everyone to know that look on the Elections Alberta website
08:08:35.560 regularly there's going to be new TPAs popping up find the one closest to you and help support them
08:08:41.400 awesome thank you so much I would like to say to Vicki what are your thoughts on tonight amazing
08:08:48.840 amazing turnout and again I've been watching online all day before we got here so everyone's
08:08:54.520 doing a fantastic job i love seeing these donations coming in and i love seeing my freedom family my
08:09:01.400 alberta independence family it's been a beautiful day we have people outside on the upper patio
08:09:08.360 lower patio the restaurant's packed the lounge is packed it's the place to be so how what time is it
08:09:18.440 it's time for us to go so he's going to plug us off right now uh we're going to be back in about
08:09:23.400 an hour right now we're going to pass it off to garrick smith up in edmonton and we'll see what
08:09:27.880 he can do while we're having some more fun here at paul's pizza we'll see you back here in about
08:09:32.760 an hour thanks and have a great night
08:09:53.400 Thank you.
08:10:23.400 Thank you.
08:10:53.400 Thank you.
08:11:23.400 Welcome. Three months from today, you'll be asked to vote for option two on question 10
08:11:32.160 in the referendum. But a lot is going to happen between now and October the 19th.
08:11:38.400 Let me put it to you this way. Over the next three months, the full weight of the federal
08:11:43.420 government of Canada, the Liberal Party of Canada, and the Prime Minister of Canada,
08:11:47.600 Mark Carney, will come down on Alberta to try to stop us from gaining our independence.
08:11:53.400 Not only that, the full weight of the Conservative Party of Canada, its MPs, many of whom you voted for, and its leader, Pierre Polyev, will come down on Alberta to try to stop us from gaining our independence.
08:12:05.280 And a little closer to home, a woman you probably voted for and trusted will be campaigning against you for trying to get a better life for yourself, your children, and your grandchildren.
08:12:19.040 not only that these parties have endless amounts of money throw in the mainstream media and the
08:12:26.780 1.4 billion dollars of your money to the cbc and this is a pretty steep hill to climb
08:12:32.820 but today we can make a difference today we can make a stand today we can send a message
08:12:41.960 to Ottawa. So far, third-party advertisers on our side are doing very well. We're out
08:12:48.420 raising the other side, but we have hundreds of thousands of dollars and they have millions
08:12:53.520 and billions. If you can, over the next 12 hours, please contribute. Please donate to
08:13:01.360 the third-party advertisers we'll be talking about today. It's the only way we can win
08:13:08.120 this thing. Welcome to the Telethon for Independence. Now let's kick some ass.
08:13:38.120 Ladies and gentlemen, 0.99
08:14:08.100 gentlemen welcome back to the alberta telethon what a day it's been the donations have been
08:14:13.920 pouring in absolutely flooding in you guys have been doing a top job but we need to step it up a
08:14:19.400 bit tonight the fringe is here the whole team is here we have tiffany of course my lovely wife and
08:14:24.840 friday night co-host mike is joining us in studio as well and uh keith say hi to keith keith's here
08:14:30.160 hi keith um keith uh he's had a long day he's a little tired so we're not gonna hold that against
08:14:35.480 But we just had to make sure that we wrapped them up for you so that we knew it was Keith
08:14:39.880 Got a lot to talk about today. We got a lot to talk about in terms of the telethon
08:14:44.480 First, Mrs. Fringe, would you like to update us on the numbers?
08:14:46.980 Yes, I would love to
08:14:47.980 We got some updates on the TPAs. What do we got?
08:14:49.980 So we've got Keith and Tanya are sitting at $60,000
08:14:52.980 Wow
08:14:53.980 We've got Corey is at $16,000
08:14:57.980 And Levine is at 11.5
08:15:00.980 Unbelievable. The donations have been coming pouring in
08:15:03.980 And now the other TPAs are still doing what they're doing these are the updates we have for you, but folks we can do better
08:15:09.320 Okay, I'm not gonna be happy until we see at least
08:15:12.920 Keith's astronomical $60,000 break six figures. We have to get that done tonight
08:15:17.940 This is the time to donate and without that let's not have fake Keith anymore. Let's bring in real Keith
08:15:25.140 Bring in real Keith
08:15:27.140 There he is there a better
08:15:29.140 Real you guys didn't really think we were gonna do this without him. Did you Keith welcome into the show?
08:15:33.760 Well, thanks for having me.
08:15:34.740 It's good to have you.
08:15:35.880 Now, I want to get something clear as we talk to all Albertans right now.
08:15:39.820 You must be in Alberta to donate.
08:15:41.680 You can see at the bottom of your screen, albertatelethon.com coming in.
08:15:45.760 The Fringe has a donation to make.
08:15:47.540 Yes.
08:15:48.000 And it's time we talk about that because let's be honest, folks.
08:15:52.180 I'm going to talk to you about Alberta.
08:15:53.960 See, what Albertans do, what Albertans like to do is Albertans like to dig into their pockets
08:15:59.360 And Albertans like to make sure that everybody gets their fair share when it comes to independence, when it comes to making sure that we look after our province, we look after our future republic.
08:16:11.600 Now's the time to dig in, folks.
08:16:13.640 If you really want to support Alberta, if you really want to support your kids' futures, as you can see, I'm flushing my children's college fund out the window right now.
08:16:21.880 Because I want a new republic.
08:16:23.880 And I think Keith Wilson is the man to do that.
08:16:26.420 So without further ado, I'm going to stop throwing money at Keith like a cheap stripper.
08:16:30.400 There's $1,000 from Unacceptable Fringe for Keith Wilson and his TPA.
08:16:35.300 Thank you so much to everybody in our amazing community who's helping contribute to this.
08:16:39.780 Get into your wallets, folks.
08:16:41.120 Now's the time to dig deep and show the world Alberta means business and that we're ready to get out of Canada.
08:16:47.680 We're moving forward.
08:16:48.760 Keith, we have to talk about this white paper.
08:16:50.900 Racist term, by the way.
08:16:51.900 It should have been a black paper or something.
08:16:53.400 But let's talk about the white paper.
08:16:55.480 Sure.
08:16:56.420 Coming out at the end of the month, now the white paper is going to be different, I understand, from the value of freedom because we were talking about that earlier in the telethon.
08:17:07.000 What can people expect out of this white paper when it comes out?
08:17:10.040 Well, what the white paper is about is to answer people's questions about what happens after the vote for independence.
08:17:17.660 What does life look like?
08:17:19.660 How do we have continuity?
08:17:20.760 How is it that when people are planning a vacation or a business trip that the airlines still run?
08:17:28.560 What happens with your mortgage?
08:17:31.180 What happens with the ordinary things that you do every day in your lives?
08:17:35.820 How are the continuity of business services, of contracting, of trade?
08:17:39.720 So we've got some incredibly smart people that have come forward and helping with the Alberta Transition Council, the white paper.
08:17:46.060 and it covers every aspect of continuity.
08:17:52.440 It addresses those areas where the federal government currently has a role.
08:17:57.660 And, you know, at a certain level, it sounds like a daunting task,
08:18:00.460 but it's really not because I've joked in some of my interviews
08:18:04.540 that old Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld had an express
08:18:08.880 where he gave a press conference when he said,
08:18:11.080 there's known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns.
08:18:15.120 We know each of the services and roles that the federal government currently provides.
08:18:22.020 We know that they run a passport office, very poorly, I might add.
08:18:26.800 We know that they have Customs and Borders agents at the airports and the border crossings.
08:18:31.740 I could keep going.
08:18:32.860 So we've identified all of the functions of the federal government.
08:18:36.000 They set policy regarding currency.
08:18:39.060 They regulate the banks.
08:18:40.260 so the transition plan is to detail continuity after we vote to become independent it's a
08:18:50.780 transition plan to transition alberta from a province into the newest freest most prosperous
08:18:56.920 country in the world i like that i like that awesome um i got some questions for you too
08:19:02.500 and these are very important questions these are probably some of the most important one
08:19:05.620 that don't look at them okay um this is honestly this is i sat down i did i spent time i went
08:19:14.860 really serious and very important questions number one pineapple pizza yay or nay yay oh i agreed
08:19:22.060 we're gonna break the chat yeah okay well right off the bat okay fail that one uh number two is
08:19:28.660 there any time when your tpa will be interested in purchasing a 1990 winnebago driving around
08:19:34.000 creepily throughout Alberta doing 4 a.m. purring videos no okay that's a good one okay that's a
08:19:41.700 good one how's your TPA reports going excellent it's a huge task especially given the number of
08:19:50.280 donors that we have because the elections Alberta went to the Smithsonian Institute
08:19:59.440 and hired the computer coders from the 1990s to design their interface.
08:20:05.420 So for every single box, you have to do a click, drop down, select, click down.
08:20:10.920 So it takes a tremendous amount of time.
08:20:13.380 But we've filed early every week, and we're going to continue to do that
08:20:17.080 because we're not going to let these guys discourage us.
08:20:20.000 All right, I like that.
08:20:20.720 You know, the old punch cards.
08:20:22.340 Okay, what kind of pancakes do you like?
08:20:25.580 I don't like pancakes.
08:20:26.680 I'm more of a waffle person myself.
08:20:28.300 There you go.
08:20:28.760 there it is we're not into fascist pancakes we don't do fascist pancakes here and uh i got a
08:20:35.060 last one for you do you like i do believe that john bolton is a vampire uh i hadn't given that
08:20:41.020 any thought i hadn't heard that before i think i need to do some research dude never sleeps
08:20:45.700 never sleeps dude sleep all right it's 2 45 a.m and it's john here and i've been up for the last
08:20:51.480 45 minutes got my big blue mug sometimes you per skin over analyze things i think you've just
08:20:57.380 identified the obvious i think it's clear i mean i think there's no other explanation i think it's
08:21:01.900 easier the facts are there i think what happens is it's more like hi it's john it's three in the
08:21:06.060 morning and i just said something offensive to my wife so i'm in my studio i think that's the way
08:21:11.600 it goes but hey we're all doing our part for alberta i think that's great uh mrs fringe i do
08:21:16.480 have some questions as well more serious not as good as mine i wrote them down uh critics raise
08:21:23.040 fears about national debt share uh currency or military how does the white paper address alberta's
08:21:28.960 leverage in negotiations drawing on president presidents like norway sweden um or the velvet
08:21:37.120 divorce sorry i got it so there's a couple of questions in there the first one is um how would
08:21:46.640 Alberta address the debt in the negotiations for example well that's an open question and it's still
08:21:53.280 being worked on and but what we have to keep in mind is a number of factors first of all in terms
08:22:01.440 of what how do you calculate what Alberta's share of the debt is do you take into consideration the
08:22:09.680 fact that Albertans to date have sent over 300 billion dollars more in tax and
08:22:20.180 other contributions to Ottawa then we've received back because of the
08:22:24.440 equalization program so throughout the history of equalization here in Alberta
08:22:29.360 we've sent 300 billion dollars more to Ottawa then came back to Albertans okay
08:22:36.460 So if you give that as a credit, we might not owe anything, right, just from the get-go.
08:22:43.680 Another consideration is, well, our tax dollars went to build the new bridge from, relatively new, that goes to PEI.
08:22:55.400 So what's 12% of the value of that bridge?
08:23:00.400 Look at all of the different things.
08:23:02.580 They built a garage at Rideau for the governor general, and it was like $3 million or $30 million.
08:23:10.820 Well, we get 12% of that.
08:23:12.620 So in other words, those are calculations.
08:23:17.300 There's a number of ways to approach it.
08:23:20.680 I've been litigating complex and a lot of high-value cases in my legal career for over 30 years.
08:23:27.580 And I'm very experienced in dealing with these kinds of negotiations.
08:23:31.140 and what happens is the parties will both come up with a methodology of how to pick the number
08:23:37.920 and then the other side says no we don't agree with that this is a better way so
08:23:41.820 so it's not clear to me what the number would be but the bottom line is Alberta has a lot of
08:23:47.700 strength and that's the second part of your question our negotiating position
08:23:51.480 I've negotiated most commonly on behalf of landowners farmers and ranchers against
08:23:59.500 multinational oil companies. So I'm used to an underdog position. In this negotiation between
08:24:05.480 Alberta and Ottawa, Ottawa's the farmer. We're the oil company. And what I mean by that is
08:24:10.520 we are the largest contributor of growth and GDP growth in the country. Our economy is super strong
08:24:19.540 and is growing. We keep seeing these announcements like Meta, 13 billion for a data center and all
08:24:24.640 these other things. That's the power of our economy when it's restrained with Ottawa with
08:24:31.260 its knee on our neck. Imagine what we can do when we get that knee off our neck and we can pursue
08:24:38.240 our potential. But more importantly, for those of you who saw my debate, the second public debate
08:24:46.000 with former Premier Kenny, he said something during the debate that just shocked me and made
08:24:50.880 no sense. He said that if Alberta separates, the federal government might stop the flow
08:24:57.760 of oil through the TMX pipeline to Vancouver, as well as through line five and nine to Ontario
08:25:05.020 and Quebec. And if anybody was in the room, they would have saw me tilt my head and look very
08:25:08.780 puzzled. Because if we stop the flow, if for whatever reason, the flow is interrupted to the
08:25:15.880 Burnaby Refinery in Vancouver, they run out of gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel in less than 11
08:25:20.720 days. Their economy comes to a screeching halt. Also, I did a detailed analysis and talked to
08:25:29.280 experts. The same thing happens to an Ontario. The refineries at Sarnia get our oil. We also
08:25:37.820 send different products through. That turns into gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel. You cannot run a
08:25:43.640 car plant if the the diesel highway trucks can't fill up with fuel people can't the 401 for once
08:25:50.280 will be safe to drive on because there'll be nobody on it um and the Pearson airport will
08:25:56.240 function as it seems normally because no planes will go in anywhere because they'll have no jet
08:26:00.220 fuel uh and similarly right up into Quebec so uh if if if the federal government wants to be
08:26:07.780 hostile and unreasonable and punitive they're going to quickly realize and I think they know
08:26:16.600 they're bluffing I think that's why they're putting such effort to counteract the independence
08:26:19.540 movement we have phenomenal power in this negotiation and here's another huge fact
08:26:25.340 think about this overwhelming majority of our overall economy not just our oil is north-south
08:26:33.520 Our largest trading partner, the driver of economy, is the largest economy in the world, which is the largest market in the world, which is the largest market closest to us.
08:26:44.420 If we lost the ability to trade with the United States versus lost the ability to trade with Ontario, and you had the ability to choose which one, which one are you picking?
08:26:55.000 Ontario.
08:26:55.580 Ontario, in a heartbeat.
08:26:56.760 So we have phenomenal leverage in this negotiation, and I think you're going to see the other side fight even harder, harder in the coming weeks and months to undermine the independence movement.
08:27:10.120 All they've got is emotion and fear, because by every objective measure, our kids and grandkids will be way better off in an independent Alberta.
08:27:17.420 Absolutely. Yep. And I think they're going to scare us by shutting off the taps, but they're just de-benefiting themselves.
08:27:23.840 just yeah i mean the oil it's not it's not like it's bananas no you know like where we sell
08:27:27.680 bananas and it's like oh my god they're going to be bad if we can't keep shipping them it's like
08:27:30.940 okay fine we'll just it'll still be we'll show you exactly i have one more uh so for the many
08:27:37.940 albertans who aren't fully sold on independence yet but feel deeply concerned about their kids
08:27:42.900 and grandkids future uh rising costs fewer opportunities and watching alberta's health
08:27:47.980 wealth and potential constantly held back by decisions made far away in ottawa what would
08:27:53.180 you say to them about why choosing option two on october 19th i was hoping that would happen
08:27:59.520 i could open the door to more confident prosperous alberta where our own resources work ethic and
08:28:06.140 values finally build the kind of province we all want to pass on well i think we're going to have
08:28:12.340 to try and get past the emotion the emotion of the patriotism of the symbolism of canada
08:28:19.040 um uh i'm not planning on leaving canada canada left me yes absolutely and um and here's another
08:28:28.820 thing we're not actually leaving canada and let me be precise about this because some people might
08:28:35.260 misinterpret what i'm saying and get mad at me like you i just saw the fist
08:28:40.840 clenched and you're closest so i gotta be really careful uh so let me see if i can get that fist
08:28:46.240 unclenched and it's this we're not bringing in concrete cutters and jack 1.00
08:28:51.420 hammers and and and dollies and house movers to lift Alberta up and move it
08:28:57.360 somewhere which is what a lot of people kind of make it sound like that's 0.96
08:29:00.120 what's happening. Intuitively without thinking about it does seem that way
08:29:03.480 we're always going to have British Columbia as our neighbor to the west
08:29:07.420 and Saskatchewan and I mean Saskatchewan if we go is gonna come and it's so it'll
08:29:11.760 manitoba to the east but what's going to change is our relationship with the rest of canada
08:29:19.680 we are exploited we're treated as a colony we have taxation without representation we have taxation
08:29:27.600 without representation the laws that are made that affect us that affect the safety of our community 0.90
08:29:34.720 the delivery of our health care are made in ottawa by politicians we can never elect 1.00
08:29:40.400 And that will always be the case. That's why Canada is structurally broken and doesn't work for Alberta anymore. So through independence, we're going to redefine our relationship with Canada. We're going to have one where our respect for us will be automatic because we are the wealth creators. 0.96
08:30:03.480 we're the hard workers we're the entrepreneurs we're the risk takers and we have the third
08:30:09.560 largest reserve of oil in the world and we have the small one of the smallest populations
08:30:17.120 relative to our oil reserves so if you look at countries in the middle east where the government
08:30:24.220 there also owns the oil like the government here in alberta owns the oil um even though they have
08:30:30.400 far higher population and not as much oil reserves as us they have no income tax they have free
08:30:37.200 health care they have free education it is inevitable that in time if our economy is freed
08:30:43.600 and we can supply the oil and gas to the world that so desperately wants it because we get rid
08:30:48.400 of these ideologues in in on ontario and quebec and who keep voting in the guys in ottawa who are
08:30:55.040 pursuing net zero will be able to create the most prosperous country in the world it's a fact
08:31:03.520 yep so how do we change these people's minds who are still on the fence about moving forward
08:31:10.480 with independence well you know you have different problems in politics the biggest problem is
08:31:15.440 actually getting people to even pay attention to you right it's the you know we could do a little
08:31:20.560 survey here and go walk down the street and bump into people and a whole bunch of them wouldn't
08:31:26.440 even if you said what's the name of the premier of Alberta they'd go Joe Biden yep you know like
08:31:31.760 I don't know what's a premier is that oh is that that soccer team yeah you know so uh and of course
08:31:38.500 there's gradients of that so we've at one of the key uh important aspects of our campaign the
08:31:45.660 campaign that Tanya and I are leading with Let Alberta Decide, LetAlbertaDecide.com.
08:31:51.340 Derek, is that where they can go to donate?
08:31:52.760 That is where they can go to donate.
08:31:55.500 That is exactly where they can go to donate.
08:31:57.540 So just to wrap up on this is that our campaign has so many different aspects to it.
08:32:03.940 They're all targeted to those different groups.
08:32:05.960 So we have a particular method of campaigning that we're unleashing to target that 21-year-old
08:32:11.900 who's suddenly realizing how expensive it is to rent his or her apartment
08:32:16.560 and going into a grocery store and looking with envy at that jar of pickles
08:32:22.020 saying, someday I'm going to be able to afford that baby, right?
08:32:25.240 And leaving with so few groceries compared to what they thought
08:32:28.320 they would be able to afford.
08:32:29.440 Looking at their paycheck and seeing how much the gross amount was,
08:32:33.640 like what their work was really worth and how much they get
08:32:37.140 and how much the government takes.
08:32:39.340 I've said to some of my nephews who are in their 20s, I said, could you imagine working
08:32:43.700 and that top number you keep? And they're like, no way, Uncle Keith, that would be awesome, right?
08:32:50.240 So for each of the demographics, for the seniors who are worried about their pensions,
08:32:56.420 for, you know, one of the hardest demographics for us to crack is actually parents who are like
08:33:02.420 in their 40s and who have kids who are, you know, eight to 12. Yeah, right. And both of them are
08:33:12.080 working and have a good income and they go, huh, life's pretty good for me. Why? Why should I take
08:33:15.720 the risk? So our campaign is multi-layered, is very dynamic, and it's very professional. And
08:33:23.900 we're targeting each one of those groups through different methods. Yes, agreed. Okay. You know,
08:33:29.780 and that brings us to a very important point and it's one that I want to address with the audience
08:33:33.060 because this is literally what we're discussing is the old phrase that I've been hearing
08:33:37.180 for about the last year you can't vote your way out of this Alberta has been given a golden ticket
08:33:43.900 in the sense that we finally have the opportunity to show that votes actually matter at least in
08:33:49.160 this province and we have the ability to do so the problem we're facing and what we're seeing
08:33:54.180 today and the reason for this telethon folks this is our only shot now or never is the only time to
08:34:00.380 make the donations please I know times are tough I know people are struggling dig into your pockets
08:34:06.200 throw out a donation and I'm going to tell you why I started this YouTube journey a couple of
08:34:11.780 years ago back at the height of the pandemic shortly around the times of the freedom convoy
08:34:16.300 brought out a little ditty called how the prime minister stole freedom and during the emergency
08:34:21.480 Act hearing. I went down to Ottawa. I met Keith Wilson for the first time in Ottawa, which is
08:34:29.660 funny given that we live, you know, very close to each other now. But when I sat down in this
08:34:35.360 rental that they were staying in, and I talked to Keith and we sat down and he asked what got me
08:34:41.200 involved in writing these books or taking a shot at Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. And I told him
08:34:48.580 everything that our family had gone through i told him about my kids staring at the tv asking
08:34:52.380 are the truckers going to get our lives back tamara leach has quoted that was that was one
08:34:56.740 of the times they thought maybe canada could be saved and i'll tell you watching those trucks go
08:35:01.380 past uh in manitoba and the cb radio saying thank you truckers for what you're doing with all the
08:35:07.040 kids cheering for them i had faith that the nostalgic canada that i once believed in still
08:35:12.160 existed that it could be saved and salvaged from this tyrant of a prime minister unfortunately we
08:35:17.840 saw how things unfolded. But as I told Keith this story about how my family dealt with the pandemic
08:35:22.940 alongside my children losing their grandmother behind a wall because of the way the pandemic
08:35:27.760 went, this man after meeting me for less than five minutes shed a tear. He showed emotion and it was
08:35:33.980 at that moment I knew that this man, despite what people say about lawyers, was the most trustworthy
08:35:39.140 lawyer on the face of the planet. And he is a man that only am I happy to call a friend, but I trust
08:35:44.440 his plan i trust all of these tpas and the plans that they have and the best thing you can do right
08:35:48.980 now is to reach in support them and support their efforts for alberta support the efforts that
08:35:54.960 hundreds and thousands of of volunteers made over the winter while collecting signatures out in the
08:36:01.260 freezing cold to ensure that alberta could be free if we don't win the vote october 19th folks
08:36:06.600 the whole effort goes to waste it's all for nothing not completely this genie's never going
08:36:12.540 back in the bottle but we get one crack at this might as well do it right the first time so head
08:36:17.720 over to alberta telethon.com all tpas are listed there reach in whatever you can afford a dollar
08:36:23.280 five dollars ten dollars one thousand dollars like we did on the show folks get in there support
08:36:28.920 your local tpas wherever you feel your money is going to be best used and help them out let's get
08:36:35.300 alberta over the finish line it's our only option right now let's vote our way away from this
08:36:40.100 um mike you had uh a few things you wanted to talk about as well yeah a few more questions
08:36:45.220 oh i definitely have a few more questions um batman and or superman why both there you go
08:36:52.200 why why because they're both awesome and they're superheroes there you go there you go
08:36:57.180 names was martha whoa okay okay that's good okay okay we talked about the pipeline stuff uh why
08:37:05.620 no signs what's going on with the signs for your tpa um my ford operating base in calgary sending
08:37:11.340 me messages lawn signs lawn signs so if you go to our let alberta decide website you will see
08:37:18.100 there's an announcement we were putting it on social media today we have three sign locations
08:37:22.100 set up for tomorrow at three different points in in calgary you can go to the information it'll
08:37:27.020 give you the locations uh very easy to understand we just sent out an email to a couple thousand
08:37:32.960 people with that information as well from 10 30 till 1 p.m tomorrow we're doing our small sign
08:37:38.620 distribution however if you've driven through calgary one of the things you will have seen
08:37:43.020 is that stephen carter has these very strange white and red signs that say he's such a douche
08:37:49.780 no to all the questions and he's just data mining lists so he just wants people's names for his
08:37:55.100 political party but um we are going to we currently have um a hundred large signs in
08:38:02.800 production for for calgary uh we have a sign making team we have a workshop uh we have an
08:38:10.480 interesting strategy for how the signs are going to be designed because we're anticipating vandalism
08:38:15.820 and uh somebody on my team came up with a brilliant idea which we won't share until we
08:38:22.160 you start to see it and we also have volunteer teams that are going to be patrolling the signs
08:38:27.100 regularly and what we would like to achieve is that when a sign is vandalized or damaged it will
08:38:32.220 be replaced within 24 hours because that will send a message yes when someone drives by here's what
08:38:38.120 we want to happen somebody drives by they're an independent supporter they're on the fence and not
08:38:42.140 sure about us and they don't think we know what we're doing they all they see is the red and white
08:38:45.520 signs now they're going to see these big beautiful blue signs four by eights and they're going to go
08:38:50.200 wow, they're up. And then they're going to drive by a few days later, it's going to be vandalized.
08:38:53.680 And they're going to, oh, I knew that was going to happen. And then they're going to drive by
08:38:56.960 the next day and they're going to go, huh, it's been fixed. And then it's going to get vandalized
08:39:01.780 again. And then they're going to drive by again and they're going to go, huh, it's going to be
08:39:05.000 fixed. And then they're going to say to themselves, these independence people know what they're doing.
08:39:08.900 Yep. And if they know what they're doing on this, maybe actually they got this whole thing right.
08:39:12.180 It's a small example, but it's happening. But we do need volunteers. So if you are someone who is
08:39:18.320 interested in volunteering with our particular large sign install and repair team and manufacturing
08:39:25.300 team, please go to info at letalbertadecide.com. Info, send an email at info at letalbertadecide.com
08:39:37.400 and give your name and information and what your skill set is and where you are.
08:39:42.120 We're currently going to be branching out the large sign campaign. There's a lot,
08:39:47.860 some tricks around the bylaws i'm currently i know a lawyer he's working for free i'm reviewing
08:39:52.820 all the sign bylaws right now uh and uh so once we know where we can and can't put signs we're
08:40:00.120 going to try and put them up in your hometown sir uh madam and uh and as well as grand prairie
08:40:06.840 lloyd minster red deer lethbridge medicine hat all the major regional centers and to start showing
08:40:14.680 the support and you know we've all experienced the fear that people have and that in itself is
08:40:21.560 a remarkable testament to how things have gone off track in Canada that you need to be fearful
08:40:30.020 of showing your political affiliation but the bigger signs on where legally they can be put
08:40:37.700 on common property on public property are safer because you know you're not going to have a
08:40:42.380 repercussion of putting it outside your home so there's so many people that want to put them on
08:40:45.820 their home but they're they're concerned about it so this overcomes that to show the level of
08:40:50.060 support but we're also doing a lot more than signs uh we're we're going to be doing some
08:40:54.580 really interesting stuff that's already in the works awesome good good stuff good stuff is that
08:41:00.320 not the perfect analogy for alberta either right something gets pushed back by vandalism and we
08:41:06.000 just come back stronger and we show that we can take the hits and keep moving forward i love it
08:41:11.320 I absolutely love it.
08:41:12.900 That's the way this movement's been run, folks.
08:41:14.900 And you guys have shown that with people getting cigarettes put out on their faces, coffee thrown at them, events shut down and canceled.
08:41:21.700 Like a hydra, you cut off one head, we keep coming back stronger.
08:41:25.880 Independence is the key to Alberta's survival.
08:41:30.180 I think we're winning this fight.
08:41:31.260 Absolutely.
08:41:31.560 I think it's safe to say we're winning this fight.
08:41:33.480 Keith, I know Nat and the guy kind of beat us to the punch earlier, but Tanya answered the question, so I want to ask you.
08:41:38.360 Sure.
08:41:38.560 what are you most hopeful for with an independent alberto what what what keeps you motivated to get
08:41:45.300 an independent alberto what's the keith wilson sales pitch well i i know the entrepreneurial
08:41:53.600 spirit of albertans i know our work ethic i see it this uh you know if life something knocks you
08:42:02.620 down brush yourself up stand stand up and keep going and it's true it's from our roots it's
08:42:09.340 people who have who that approach to life uh appeals to them end up here it doesn't you don't
08:42:17.340 have to be from alberta to admire that that that work ethic that cultural characteristic
08:42:23.720 so you combine that with some really simple things we have incredible institutional infrastructure
08:42:31.040 in place you know some people say I think the premier did and I was very
08:42:35.780 disappointed when she did and if she didn't others have said it which is oh
08:42:39.560 well it's going to be very expensive to build all of these things from scratch
08:42:45.080 we're not building anything from scratch already here it's already here do you
08:42:50.600 think the people we know I don't have to be hypothetical we know that the people
08:42:56.040 who currently work at the passport office want to keep their job yeah we
08:43:00.800 know the people that meet us at the airports that have the blue uniforms on
08:43:05.960 and say borders and customs agency they want to keep their job they already know
08:43:10.220 how to do it as well exactly so we want them to be able to go if independence
08:43:14.660 occurs on a Tuesday I want them to go to the job on Wednesday and do the exact
08:43:18.800 same thing they did on Tuesday and over time we will the new government of
08:43:22.560 Alberta will improve things but let me give a more of a concise answer to your
08:43:26.360 question um we have everything here that is needed to create the freest most prosperous
08:43:36.720 place in the world and the only reason it is not happening is we have no control over our future 0.99
08:43:47.440 we are ruled by ottawa they use us they abuse us they reach into our pocket they misuse the 0.99
08:43:55.040 spending of money and they're ideologically opposed to us and they want to hold us back 1.00
08:44:01.900 and they are holding us back and they have been holding us back we have achieved the greatest
08:44:07.780 economic growth in canada the greatest number of job creation and the greatest level of investment
08:44:13.700 despite being pinned down with ottawa's knee on our neck so that future for my kids grandkids and
08:44:22.780 yours of getting Ottawa off of our neck is uh something that brings joy to me and it's completely
08:44:30.780 achievable and I think we're gonna get there yep oh yeah so what you're saying is is in an
08:44:35.540 independent Alberta we wouldn't have 160,000 dollar food flights or braised beef and luxury
08:44:40.420 butter I don't even know what luxury butter is right I uh I see butter yeah I don't even know
08:44:46.080 It doesn't even sound good.
08:44:47.620 Probably make you feel not so good. 1.00
08:44:48.860 Probably gross European cows. 1.00
08:44:50.240 It's velvety. 1.00
08:44:50.680 No, it's probably gross European cows.
08:44:54.140 I worked in government in the late 90s when Ralph Klein was premier
08:45:00.700 and he was going through a period of extreme cutbacks.
08:45:04.280 And we went from having lunch meetings where catered food was coming in
08:45:09.520 with fresh fruit shish kebabs and chocolate-jipped strawberries,
08:45:14.400 i kid you not to lunch meeting no food bring a bag lunch and we all literally showed up with a
08:45:22.280 brown bag and nobody complained we didn't complain and uh uh the waste that occurs in government is
08:45:30.060 off the scale because it's not their money they don't care they're spending your money yep you
08:45:36.080 know it was one thing my father always said because we moved to alberta in 1995 we lived in alberta
08:45:41.140 my father was transferred out to manitoba moved back in 95 10 years later and when we came out
08:45:45.860 i was a teenager and i asked him why are we uprooting our lives and going out to alberta
08:45:50.340 of all places to meet me and well that was one of them but but you know what he told me at the time
08:45:56.260 was alberta was booming it was the mid 90s the oil boom was huge entrepreneurs were coming in
08:46:01.380 home business startups were at a highly successful rate and he said alberta's the one province in the
08:46:07.140 country that you can make a name for yourself and that you can get ahead no
08:46:11.640 matter how high you want to go as long as you're willing to get your hands dirty
08:46:14.460 and put in an honest day's work if you're looking for a job you can find a
08:46:17.880 job within a day and if you want to work your way up a corporate ladder they will
08:46:23.040 train you they will actually help you get ahead because they want to invest in
08:46:26.760 their own people and at 15 years old I didn't appreciate that but as I grew
08:46:31.080 throughout the provinces I spent my time in Alberta that rang true up until
08:46:34.760 about the early 2000s once we started getting governments in that wanted nothing more to do
08:46:39.880 than to use their names like a nascar driver to give contracts to their friends scandalous spending
08:46:45.080 trudeau happened we all saw how things went there i think it's very adherent at this point
08:46:51.080 that alberta understand those days can come back when i talked earlier about the sentiment of what
08:46:56.680 canada used to be if you were in alberta anytime before the year 2000 following the national
08:47:02.520 energy program seeing those booming years that can return tenfold in alberta under a new republic
08:47:10.040 when you think about the teachers who are protesting right now saying we need a raise we
08:47:13.960 need more money we need smaller classrooms how many schools could we build without the bureaucracy
08:47:18.200 of the federal government and red tape with the billions we're not sending in transfer payments
08:47:22.440 how fast could we build those schools how many teachers would be clawing their way into alberta
08:47:28.600 to get a job because they're no longer paying federal income tax or gst same thing with hospitals
08:47:35.240 doctors how many doctors would love an extra 30 percent on their paychecks i see mike's note
08:47:40.820 their age benefit would benefit as well you look at age and adap those on disabilities could finally
08:47:46.200 start getting real funding and those who are taking advantage of the system folks they would
08:47:50.800 be removed yeah we would have a brand new program the prosperous nation of alberta would be a true
08:47:56.900 marvel to behold i think people from all over the world let alone canada would be flowing in at an
08:48:03.580 alarming rate we would have to vet who's coming in but nonetheless as nice as that sounds nice to
08:48:08.960 just vet people who are coming in the the idea of an independent alberta for the last year ever
08:48:13.840 since i watched pierre polyev lose the federal election i was pro pierre i thought finally we
08:48:17.900 had a chance things can change uh i was shown very quickly that uh the government can kind of
08:48:23.020 set the system how they want it to in order to win their elections there is no hope when it comes to
08:48:27.600 being on that carousel now if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over
08:48:32.060 and hoping for different results now's the time we do something different again now's the time to
08:48:37.920 donate head over to albertatelephone.com yes make your donations support a free and independent
08:48:43.160 Alberta one of the things I do worry about throw you a 20 every time you say donate
08:48:47.260 donate now uh one of the things i do worry about keith uh that we hear a lot being discussed not
08:48:55.520 only in the house of commons on the media on the news is uh we know bruce party's been talking about
08:49:00.660 a lot the clarity act now we've seen the dust getting kicked up in the house of commons when
08:49:06.020 they talked about 50 plus one we saw and it's unbelievable folks it wasn't on my bingo card
08:49:10.480 that quebec would come to alberta's defense absolutely but when they start talking about
08:49:14.200 clarity act when they start talking about can alberta actually leave i've heard many people
08:49:18.520 saying i think it's going to come down to a unilateral declaration of independence we don't
08:49:23.160 feel that ottawa would honor the clarity act we feel that this would get drawn out where do you
08:49:27.800 see things going with the clarity act and uh do you think it's going to take a unilateral declaration
08:49:33.480 in order for us to get out so what we need to understand is that it was in 1998 that the
08:49:40.600 supreme court of canada released its decision and by that i mean the succession reference case that
08:49:47.080 laid out the pathway for a province to vote on a clear question with a clear majority and then
08:49:54.040 that triggers a duty of good faith negotiation and the province can become an independent country
08:49:59.720 1998 in the year 2000 the liberal government brought in the clarity act so the supreme
08:50:05.560 Supreme Court of Canada laid out this roadway and put bridges on it and overpasses and so on
08:50:14.180 to make it all possible, a legal constitutional pathway. What happened with the Clarity Act
08:50:19.160 is it put barriers and roadblocks and detours in place. But the day after the Clarity Act was
08:50:29.940 passed in the parliament in the year 2000 um the quebec general assembly passed bill 99
08:50:37.780 and what bill 99 was the quebec government saying bugger off ottawa we're going to follow the
08:50:45.700 supreme court of canada decision your clarity act is unconstitutional you don't get to decide
08:50:53.060 whether a question is clear you don't get to decide whether or not it's a clear majority
08:50:59.220 That's not what the Supreme Court of Canada said.
08:51:01.860 The Supreme Court of Canada trumps the Parliament, which is a basic fact you learn in first-year law school.
08:51:08.720 So they said, away with you, Ottawa, we're not going to follow it.
08:51:12.860 Bill 99 was challenged and upheld in the Superior Court and the Court of Appeal in Quebec.
08:51:18.560 So when you referred to a moment ago how Quebec came to our defence,
08:51:23.640 which was about a month ago when the Prime Minister said,
08:51:25.900 well, this referendum question in Alberta is going to have to be referred to the parliament,
08:51:29.760 the stream of Quebec politicians, both federally and provincially,
08:51:32.880 came to the podiums and held press conferences and says,
08:51:35.540 Alberta, ignore them. 1.00
08:51:37.680 You have the right to decide. 0.85
08:51:39.580 You have the right to democratic self-determination.
08:51:42.840 The Clarity Act is unconstitutional.
08:51:45.180 It's an improper attempt.
08:51:46.720 They even said, one of the Quebec politicians said,
08:51:50.100 that it was a federal government overreach and authoritarianism and she was correct okay so
08:51:59.460 the reality is is that the to the extent that the clarity act is inconsistent with the supreme
08:52:07.040 court of canada decision which it is in many respects and to the extent that it purports
08:52:12.560 to give exclusive control and sort of veto power to ottawa it's unconstitutional
08:52:20.240 That's the approach that Quebec took back in 2000, and that's still the law there.
08:52:25.380 So what I think should happen here, you've interviewed the premier, Premier Smith, and she's talked about her Sovereignty Act here and defending Alberta sovereignty within Canada.
08:52:37.320 And that legislation, which I publicly supported and defended her when she introduced it many years ago, is there's a mechanism in there where the legislature here in Alberta can pass a resolution when they believe the federal government's intruding into provincial jurisdiction.
08:52:52.700 This would be a perfect opportunity for the Premier to demonstrate her commitment to basic democratic principles, Alberta's sovereignty, follow Quebec's footsteps, pass a resolution in the legislature in the next session saying Albertans will decide whether the question is clear.
08:53:08.380 Albertans will decide whether there's a clear majority, not Ottawa.
08:53:12.500 Ottawa needs to stop playing this game.
08:53:14.340 so to go to the final point that you raised um uh the legal obligation is of the federal government
08:53:21.340 and the provinces to enter into good faith negotiations after a vote on a clear question
08:53:25.560 with a clear majority if we will invite them the alberta government will invite them into those
08:53:30.560 negotiations if they say oh no no we can't come because we haven't passed a resolution in the
08:53:35.520 parliament under the claret act we say the meeting still next tuesday we will be there and if they
08:53:41.700 don't show up then we say that's bad faith and they say oh we want a court interpretation we say
08:53:46.380 that's bad faith if you've got an obligation to negotiate in good faith and we give them a period 0.96
08:53:52.060 of days just like I would in a litigation negotiation I'm not going to play silly bugger
08:53:56.160 forever with the other side I'm going to say all right you got 60 days or you got 90 days or you
08:54:00.600 got 30 days and then we would reach a point I think the negotiation should take 90 days
08:54:04.940 because all of the things that we need to take over are known yeah right and the work of the
08:54:10.380 transition council we're identifying all those things we're preparing term sheets and other
08:54:14.400 things to help with the negotiations to shorten the timeline i think at some point the the the
08:54:20.920 government of alberta after the vote will say um will say you've got 30 days if we don't reach a
08:54:29.540 deal if you don't engage in good faith negotiations we're going to use paragraph 155 of the supreme
08:54:35.440 Court of Canada decision, we're going to issue a unilateral declaration of independence for
08:54:40.400 the new country of Alberta. And where do you suppose that would lead us? Because a lot of
08:54:44.980 people, and they're going to say it, it goes to MAGA, it goes to the United States. Do you think
08:54:49.660 President Trump at that point, or any country around the world, would come up, call Mark Carney
08:54:54.640 and say, well, you know, I got to be honest, you know, that Alberta government, they're really
08:54:59.060 something, okay, and they just call the unilateral declaration of independence, they're one of them.
08:55:03.380 so we're going to recognize alberta do you think that's going to happen or do you think that
08:55:07.720 uh we're going to have more tumbleweeds to get over before alberta can break away
08:55:10.840 no i think it's going to happen right away okay because government's an artificial construct
08:55:15.320 nice right i mean try and touch it they can't sit here in this room i can touch this
08:55:20.380 yeah i can touch this fine man but that'll cost there there you go that's i got money
08:55:25.540 donate so the point point is is that i think um i think the negotiations once we if we negotiate
08:55:36.360 from our true position of strength which respectfully is not something the premier
08:55:40.900 has done to date she went into this negotiation over this pipeline like if she was in a poker
08:55:46.220 game and she barely had a pair of twos and the fact of the matter is she had three aces and two
08:55:50.200 Kings phenomenal leverage so back to your specific question I think what will
08:55:56.880 happen if they're gonna be vindictive you know Peter Lougheed when he was
08:56:01.700 prime when he was premier and was getting frustrated with with the the
08:56:06.160 Liberals in Ottawa the the federal government he announced that the
08:56:10.240 government of Alberta if the federal government didn't come to the table
08:56:13.440 would reduce the flow would reduce didn't actually do it would reduce the
08:56:18.780 flow of nine line and five by 15 percent and they came to the table and they
08:56:24.020 amended the Constitution and put in section 92a which by the way the federal
08:56:28.560 government completely ignores and overrides right now so it didn't achieve
08:56:32.220 much but that's the structural problem my point is if they really want to be
08:56:36.900 mean and unfair and vindictive we have phenomenal leverage we can play we have
08:56:41.500 direct control over whether or not two major sources of the canadian economy can carry on
08:56:51.160 tomorrow which is the supply of energy to their to their localities so i i think we have tremendous
08:56:58.380 strength um i cannot see a circumstance you know somebody said oh well the canadian government
08:57:06.480 would send in the army well all right i mean let's just assume i know they're all the cannons
08:57:12.940 i know okay we'd all put on safety glasses because they might throw tampons at us i get it you could
08:57:17.660 get an abrasion on your eye um but assume they we actually had an army that hadn't been destroyed
08:57:24.840 like the liberals have um like what are they going to do other than you know arrest me you know like
08:57:31.480 are they going to arrest you too like are they going to arrest i don't know i'm guessing with
08:57:34.820 my luck they probably would yeah so yeah gulag we go baby i'll be calling you keith yeah and i'm
08:57:39.580 doing i'm doing black market tattoos you know and remember this this is super important for
08:57:43.920 everybody to remember um is that in september of 2025 prime minister kearney announced that
08:57:53.060 the government of canada was giving international recognition to the unilateral declaration of the
08:57:58.900 state of palestine of nationhood they don't even define boundary at least alberta has a defined
08:58:03.780 boundary, a defined people, a defined culture, and a defined economy. So he's refreshed and
08:58:08.780 renewed the concept that an identifiable region can invoke paragraph 155 of the Supreme
08:58:16.140 Canada decision and declare, engage in, make a unilateral declaration of independence. And you
08:58:22.660 know that the Americans and President Trump's going to say, well, Prime Minister, you remember
08:58:27.260 you did this in September 2025. I'm doing it now. You did it back then. I don't like that you did
08:58:32.340 and you know the next country to recognize will no doubt be israel and there's at least 20 other
08:58:38.620 countries that are going to recognize and the most important country to recognize us is our
08:58:43.160 largest customer in the largest economy of the world that we supply the most of things to and
08:58:50.220 not just oil and we know they're going to so we're in a tremendous position of strength and i think
08:58:56.300 what will happen is we'll enter into a bilateral agreement with the rest of canada for mobility and
08:59:01.020 trade i have a son in vancouver i still want to travel to vancouver people are gonna bc we ship
08:59:07.380 30 billion dollars worth of oil through the tmx pipeline they ship 50 billion 50 billion dollars
08:59:15.140 worth of goods through alberta on our highways and rail lines you know i got a question about that
08:59:20.220 why are we paying a toll to get our oil over there and they're not paying anything to transport
08:59:24.360 through alberta equivalent if they put a one dollar toll on the pipeline that would be an
08:59:29.560 equivalent toll on one of the containers you know the container ships that come
08:59:32.620 in from Asia that unload at Prince Rupert and and Vancouver 80% of those
08:59:38.020 containers which is 900,000 of them an equivalent value for us to to do a
08:59:43.720 reciprocal toll would be nine hundred dollars per container so that would be
08:59:48.160 like eight hundred million dollars a year just on their container traffic if
08:59:52.540 they want to play the toll game yeah let's play let's play let exactly we'll
08:59:56.860 all be rolling in the dough so uh we it's so weird how well at least our governments have
09:00:03.880 and maybe albertans have we think we're the underdog in this somehow we think that we've
09:00:08.700 somehow maybe we need to apologize and beg we literally go to ottawa please sir may we work
09:00:15.300 harder and generate more wealth so we can give more of it to you and you can tax us harder we've
09:00:20.440 been treated as such for so long and all the other provinces think we are as well yeah and and we have
09:00:25.940 so much strength so much inherent natural strength and it's time for us to exercise it
09:00:32.360 I don't want to treat any other province unfairly I want to have adults in the room having a fair
09:00:38.700 and respectful discussion that's what we can achieve that's what we're going to achieve
09:00:42.800 and that's one of the things I always try to sell home on on the independence talk was that
09:00:48.160 you know people say well you're landlocked no we're not people say oh you'd lose all your
09:00:52.120 trade with Canada no they need us it's all that changes folks and this is why
09:00:56.520 we keep pushing the easy conversation with your neighbors your friends
09:01:00.180 everybody else the status quo is all that changes so it comes down to is your
09:01:05.620 life better when it was five years ago ten years ago could it be better can
09:01:09.820 Alberta do better Keith has said it before everyone said it before the
09:01:15.100 answer plain and simple folks is yes let me ask you this though because when it
09:01:19.600 comes to the negotiations and my audience asks a lot who would be upholding those negotiations
09:01:25.140 because I'm not going to nitpick at Danielle Smith or get into the gossip circle about her
09:01:29.700 but a lot of people have been disappointed with her actions when there was a post that was out 0.94
09:01:34.140 recently where people said I missed the old Danielle yeah and there was a clip showing her
09:01:37.460 talking about our sovereignty about Ottawa overstepping and at one point in time I felt
09:01:42.200 like this is our female Ralph Klein our female Peter Lougheed that's going to really stick the
09:01:47.540 nails to Ottawa. And we've seen a 180 when it comes to the MOUs and even the formation of this 1.00
09:01:53.080 question. Now, I have no problem with the question because I think it's fair. We poll all of Alberta.
09:01:58.620 Do you actually want to leave? But when it comes to the negotiations, if Danielle Smith is in charge
09:02:05.860 of those negotiations, is she going to kick the can down the road? Or is there a higher power over 1.00
09:02:10.980 Danielle Smith with a successful vote to leave that can say, no, you're obligated to get us out
09:02:16.220 here well there's a couple things there first of all um significantly what the premier said when
09:02:25.880 she's been asked is that when she's been asked what she will do if albertans do decide to leave
09:02:32.960 and she has said she will respect the will of the people and suggested that she would facilitate
09:02:38.160 those negotiations right um and you talk about a higher power there is one it's called the
09:02:44.580 electorate no politician has any power they derive their power from each one of us from each x that
09:02:51.100 we put from each hour that we volunteer from each position we take on a constituency association
09:02:57.440 board from each donation that we make from each door knocking that we do from each sign that we
09:03:01.740 put up during an election campaign that's where their power comes from and if enough albertans
09:03:07.220 speak and and and i think increasing number of albertans are discovering our worth our value
09:03:14.380 And I think the leader of the province will reflect that.
09:03:20.400 We need to take a strong position because we have a strong position.
09:03:24.420 We will take a fair position, but that's not what's been happening to date.
09:03:27.960 This pipeline agreement is an absolute fiasco.
09:03:31.300 It's just incredible.
09:03:32.720 It's unrecognizable respectfully that a UCP government would support this agreement.
09:03:37.600 It involves $40 billion of taxpayer money for the pipeline, for which no oil company has announced they will produce anything to put in it.
09:03:49.040 The 10% interest by Pemina pipelines is not even a cash interest.
09:03:54.960 It's going to get a 10% share of it.
09:03:56.680 They're not putting money up.
09:03:58.920 The Pathways Project.
09:04:01.740 Oh, that's a scam.
09:04:02.560 We fought net zero.
09:04:04.580 this agreement entrenches net zero our government just signed an agreement agreeing to net zero
09:04:13.340 yeah and nobody else no other country no we're the only ones suckered into it yeah and there's 0.95
09:04:18.600 no market for it nobody in asia or the united states which is the markets possibly some foolish
09:04:24.660 countries in europe might pay more but that's not what we're planning on sending anything because
09:04:28.720 that's not how the whole market flows work for oil so it's remarkable what's happened you know
09:04:34.960 the stampede events and announcements were complete flip you mentioned 180 it's 180 yeah
09:04:40.900 it's not 10 degrees off course that's where it's reversing the hard idea of understanding this like
09:04:46.200 if the pipelines that mark carney is supposedly offering which will never get built by the way
09:04:50.220 are so fantastic why does it take the government investing in them to get them done why aren't
09:04:55.160 companies investing. Why aren't we getting private investors? Because they're bogus.
09:05:00.300 They're non-profitable. No company would invest in something that's going to be a money pit.
09:05:04.740 Let me drive a really important point home while we're on this. So I've just described
09:05:09.760 $40 billion for the pipeline. We know it's going to be way more than that. They've got to build a
09:05:13.180 port facility. Could you imagine the huge tank farm? And go on Google Earth and look at where
09:05:19.740 the Tawasin Ferry is, the Roberts Bank, and then it's the airport, and then it's Stanley Park and
09:05:25.180 stuff. The protests and everything to stop that tank farm there are going to be off the scale. 0.85
09:05:30.220 There's a First Nations right there. But let's assume it gets built, $40 billion, then $25 billion
09:05:36.040 for pathways. All of this is around $70 billion once you round up a little bit. Just to put that
09:05:41.640 in perspective, because we keep hearing about billions here, billions there. The entire budget
09:05:46.560 of Alberta for delivering health care, education, our transportation, our roads, our bridges,
09:05:52.380 our LRTs, all of the things that the province delivers is $70 billion.
09:05:59.720 Unbelievable.
09:06:00.440 And this announcement has been made.
09:06:02.080 All goes on the taxpayer.
09:06:04.060 We have an affordability crisis in Canada because it's been driven by inflation through
09:06:08.400 out-of-control government spending, ridiculous taxation.
09:06:12.040 This pipeline announcement makes all of those things worse.
09:06:16.560 Now, the good news is an MOU is non-binding.
09:06:19.540 All of these agreements that have been announced, including the Pathways Agreement from last Monday, are non-binding.
09:06:25.840 The UCP needs to do some soul-searching.
09:06:28.560 Its leadership needs to have an honest look in the mirror.
09:06:31.340 And they need to say, all right, maybe we didn't get this right, and fix it before they sign the binding agreements and commit all of us.
09:06:40.480 There's only one taxpayer to $70 billion of wasted money.
09:06:45.540 even more reason to support the cause to donate today well i'll tell you what folks keith hit it
09:06:51.580 on the nail or the nail on the head when he said it's going to take a leader it is going to take
09:06:55.060 absolutely i don't know but i think there's i know a lawyer over here when you guys are done
09:07:01.400 this like we will be throwing money at keith wilson like a cheap stripper look i've already
09:07:07.000 said this guy's available i've already said okay put put put put fake keith down we're not using
09:07:12.600 Put that away.
09:07:13.760 Put that away.
09:07:14.200 Fake Keith is retired.
09:07:15.740 Here's the thing, folks.
09:07:16.700 I'm not going to do it.
09:07:18.380 I said it last night on stream.
09:07:19.580 You don't want me in charge of Alberta.
09:07:20.540 No, he would be extreme.
09:07:22.840 Ruthless.
09:07:23.340 It would go from El Presidente.
09:07:26.260 Buenos Aires, El Presidente coming to you.
09:07:28.540 We're going to build a wall around Alberta.
09:07:29.960 It would be so bad.
09:07:30.640 We need Keith in the driver's seat.
09:07:32.040 I think he's the guy.
09:07:32.860 Absolutely.
09:07:33.180 He's going to lead us over the finish line, folks.
09:07:35.240 And all of these TPAs are going to get us over the finish line.
09:07:37.720 Head out now, albertateleathon.com.
09:07:39.960 Again, reach into your pockets.
09:07:42.040 I want to see records broken tonight.
09:07:44.240 I want to see those massive, massive numbers.
09:07:47.340 We want these TPAs flush with cash to ensure not only Keith, not only Tanya, not only Kathy Flett, not only Jason Levine, not only Corey Morgan, all of them.
09:07:56.740 All of them can get us over the finish line when it comes to the October 19th vote.
09:08:01.140 We literally have one shot, folks.
09:08:03.620 Let's not waste it.
09:08:05.540 Get over, donate now, and show your support.
09:08:08.960 Absolutely.
09:08:10.300 65.
09:08:10.780 65 K there we go let's go I want to see six figures by the end of the hour is this included
09:08:16.460 like by the end of the telethon there we go that's how I like to hear six seven dance dance
09:08:23.080 now as we wrap up here folks we're going to be heading back to Airdrie for uh back to Calgary
09:08:31.360 is it going back to Calgary for Max and John um I thought it was going sorry my bad I thought it
09:08:35.480 was going into Paul's Pizza uh Max and John will be headed back to Calgary John had to get back to
09:08:40.240 his lair i think back to his lair back coughing yeah he's he's taking all that money and running
09:08:45.400 i think no i'm joking uh folks please albertatelfon.com reach in donate now uh do what you
09:08:51.900 can to help out every dollar helps uh i want to thank keith wilson for joining us in studio
09:08:56.900 tonight he's been busy as hell folks but it's good to have him in here uh everybody for setting
09:09:01.260 this up and john bolton everybody for joining today it's it's been amazing the incredible work
09:09:06.620 everybody has done wow um amazing this was slapped together in such fashion folks and and it's very
09:09:14.260 heartwarming to see not only our youtube community but the multiple youtube communities coming
09:09:18.700 together uh ensuring that these cpas are and everybody behind the scenes making sure it went
09:09:23.840 as smoothly as it possibly max critical compass everybody that's been behind there john for
09:09:28.320 putting this on even though i still think he's a vampire but that's time he is and uh keith
09:09:32.320 wilson for joining us this is huge we got the boss man himself guys donate to all the tpa's
09:09:37.600 el presidente of alberta questionable questionable pizza choice i'll do his speeches for him i welcome
09:09:43.960 el presidente has spoken how many medals can we get on his chest there will be no more mous no
09:09:48.880 more wacky pipelines we're just gonna get our leverage in place remember this momentum is power
09:09:54.680 in politics and we know who has the momentum we know who's gonna win yes alberta can do better
09:10:00.620 folks show it in numbers let's go better let's go
09:10:03.980 you stood on those stone cold govern steps faith and freedom loud and clear
09:10:19.180 fold in chairs and town hall stages spoke the truth they came to hear
09:10:29.900 They stood in line for hours, braved the cold and wind
09:10:35.260 You talked about their children and the mess we're living in
09:10:40.580 From the back row of the hall to the front row of the fight
09:10:45.920 You said if they're gonna hear us, it's gonna be tonight
09:10:51.160 Come on, let's go!
09:10:54.420 So that's gonna be the battle cry for our movement
09:10:57.160 Let's go!
09:10:58.360 You came to sign on the freedom line
09:11:02.760 Ink on paper, hearts on fire
09:11:08.120 Every name like gasoline, kicking up that rebel choir
09:11:14.500 Let me shake your hand, thank you for your time
09:11:19.000 Fire the voices, strong and true
09:11:24.380 You stand up for Alberta
09:11:28.180 This one's for you
09:11:32.020 I feel like I'm with friends here
09:11:33.280 That's exactly correct
09:11:35.140 That's what the whole thing with all these events are for
09:11:37.880 People understand that they're part of a group of like-minded people
09:11:41.040 That think and have the same ambitions and goals as they have
09:11:44.160 You stare down that lens in your studio light
09:11:49.160 Coffee gone cold, face pale from the night
09:11:54.180 From the dark hours to the evening show
09:11:59.560 You hit go live and refused to let go
09:12:04.960 Slow roll down from Edmonton, high beams cutting through
09:12:10.360 Northbound up from Calgary, every small town waiting on you
09:12:16.160 Truck stop, coffee cooling between petitions in the rain
09:12:21.420 Car tables and gravel are chopping every name
09:12:26.760 You came to sign on the freedom line
09:12:31.240 Ink on paper, hearts on fire
09:12:36.540 Every name like gasoline
09:12:40.140 Kicking up that rebel choir
09:12:42.860 Let me shake your hand
09:12:44.980 Thank you for your time
09:12:47.340 Fight up voices, strong and true
09:12:52.700 You stepped up for Alberta
09:12:56.460 This one's for you
09:13:00.700 I am Alberta!
09:13:03.580 Again!
09:13:04.500 I am Alberta!
09:13:07.060 Again!
09:13:08.000 I am Alberta!
09:13:10.460 This one's for you
09:13:11.780 I am Alberta!
09:13:13.760 You filled up clipboards and sleet and rain
09:13:17.560 Roadside lots by the highway chain
09:13:20.280 And echoing halls where the floors were bare
09:13:23.000 You passed that pen like a whispered prayer
09:13:26.020 You came to sight
09:13:29.400 On the frozen ground
09:13:32.020 Heard your own heartbeat
09:13:35.020 Like a drum's low sound
09:13:37.440 Looked around
09:13:40.160 Saw you're not alone
09:13:42.680 Countless souls fighting for a home
09:13:48.060 You came to sign on the freedom line
09:13:53.780 Pink on paper, hearts on fire
09:13:59.080 Every name like gasoline
09:14:02.760 Kicking up that rebel choir
09:14:05.440 Let me shake your hand
09:14:07.320 Thank you for your time
09:14:09.900 we've gotten by round three now we're in the stanley cup final and away we go thank you very
09:14:16.560 much god bless all of you for alberta and i raise this one to you this one's for you
09:14:25.820 you stood that line
09:14:30.860 all righty now i'm enjoying my internet people finally are we back we're back back in the house
09:14:43.480 welcome welcome back it's good to be here john bolton with you 11 hours after i was on earlier
09:14:49.040 this morning and it is really uh really great to see you again it's been a long day but i'll tell
09:14:55.260 you it has been an exciting day i'd like to thank everybody that made a donation today i really
09:15:01.060 appreciate it and there's still time to go we've got another hour of the telethon we will be
09:15:06.240 throwing it back to paul's pizza shortly i'm going to be heading out there with my wife and all the
09:15:11.600 people that have gathered out at paul's pizza and if you want to go out you still got some time
09:15:16.460 and i'd love to see you there first off before i move on to paul's you can make a donation
09:15:22.040 albertatelethon.com as fringe said let's get the numbers up we can still raise money generally
09:15:27.700 telethons make more money at the uh during the evening and if you're out there and haven't made
09:15:32.060 a donation albertatelethon.com pick one of the tpas third-party advertisers and make a donation
09:15:38.480 now before i move on i want to i want to thank some people but i want to thank the guy beside me
09:15:44.320 you know i said on a video i did earlier this morning on my channel that max is like share
09:15:50.780 prince and madonna most people don't know his last name it's just max and everybody knows max
09:15:58.040 i have to tell you i have to tell you that this would have been impossible without max
09:16:05.900 and jagger gustafson jagger for giving us this remarkable space we're in right now uh coming
09:16:11.560 over here helping out with the technology but this guy right here was running around this afternoon
09:16:16.360 and doing amazing work for about six, seven hours yesterday.
09:16:19.780 We lost the internet today.
09:16:21.660 He was sweating buckets running back and forth to get us back on.
09:16:24.940 Max, thanks so much.
09:16:26.760 Thank you.
09:16:28.420 Thank you.
09:16:29.320 I'm crying.
09:16:31.740 Thanks, buddy.
09:16:33.020 Thank you.
09:16:34.040 You know how much we appreciate you, right?
09:16:36.340 You've been running around this province for, what, a year? 0.99
09:16:40.320 Going to every damn place in this province. 0.98
09:16:43.220 You've been to every town here. 0.99
09:16:44.800 We love you, pal.
09:16:45.720 we love you
09:16:46.780 thank you so much
09:16:48.580 you know that
09:16:49.860 everybody does
09:16:51.600 thank you
09:16:53.260 yeah and I also want to thank everybody who were watching
09:16:56.660 some people
09:16:58.040 I was expecting that anyways
09:17:01.760 I wanted to thank you everybody for watching
09:17:04.260 all the social media accounts
09:17:06.740 and don't forget to
09:17:08.260 to give a last stretch for the talent
09:17:10.560 because I'll tell you why
09:17:11.860 for somebody who has
09:17:14.020 John Bolton was saying, who has been driving all over the place,
09:17:18.220 on many, countless oil changes, gas, and everything.
09:17:22.220 What I can tell you is that in order to organize something like a town hall,
09:17:26.760 it takes a lot of money.
09:17:28.000 So how much money do we have here?
09:17:29.900 If you would look at the numbers here.
09:17:31.500 Well, we're well over $100,000 today.
09:17:34.140 Money is still coming in.
09:17:35.320 The website, by the way, albertatelethon.com, will live on until October the 19th.
09:17:40.480 But continue.
09:17:40.840 Yeah, so just to give you an understanding, because we see all those numbers, those like
09:17:44.840 $65,000 and all those numbers that you see there, just to give some perspective, for
09:17:50.120 instance, if you organize, if when Let's Talk Alberta organized their town hall meetings,
09:17:56.320 their costs can go anywhere from $5,000 to $8,000, just one town hall meeting.
09:18:03.060 So when those guys from, let's say, Let's Talk Alberta decided to do a town hall meeting,
09:18:08.520 When Jaycee Levine decides to do a town hall meeting, there are some costs attached to that.
09:18:13.940 Even if you bring speakers from the outside, you have to bring people, like you have to pay hotels, even their planes, gas money, all those things add up.
09:18:25.980 So you can easily get $5,000, $7,000 just for one town hall meeting.
09:18:32.980 So that's why it's important, as we are going through this process prior to October 19, to contribute as generous as possible.
09:18:43.820 And I can tell you a story.
09:18:45.960 Some people told me that who work at the government, even, who are not going to attend a town hall meeting because they fear about getting the loss to lose their jobs.
09:18:59.600 there are people who are on one who cannot just seem the reason why I'm doing those livestreams
09:19:04.660 because I got people who tell me in part that they cannot you can't come they can't come because they
09:19:10.020 if they're if their boss or their or their family found out that they were in an independence town
09:19:17.580 hall they're gonna get they're gonna get they're gonna lose their jobs I've seen people who lose
09:19:24.000 their job just simply attending a town hall meeting. I've seen people that were discarding
09:19:30.840 their families for the same reason, families raking apart because of that. So a lot of
09:19:35.040 the challenge that we have here as a community is to pass those barriers, in fact. But I
09:19:42.800 can tell you from the money perspective, it takes a lot of money to organize events like
09:19:49.280 What Keith Wilson was saying is that we're going to do this,
09:19:53.580 going to protect the signs, going to replace the signs.
09:19:56.840 That's another cost as well, too.
09:19:59.480 So when I see 65,000 people, $65,000 from, let's, what's the name?
09:20:07.940 Let's not have her to decide.
09:20:08.820 Yeah, thank you.
09:20:09.680 Let her decide. 0.98
09:20:11.040 I really think that this money will be gone in a month.
09:20:15.440 Yeah.
09:20:15.900 In a month.
09:20:16.480 And we're not even in August yet.
09:20:20.420 So that's the priority.
09:20:22.680 That's the importance to contribute to Alberta, Telton and all those TPAs.
09:20:27.400 If you can't contribute right now, find somebody who can
09:20:31.540 because the uphill bottom that we have is incredibly insane.
09:20:37.020 Yes, we lost the stream at about 4.30 p.m.
09:20:40.300 So we lost the stream because of an internet outage.
09:20:43.320 But we've seen places where we have people who are legitimately physically attacking canvassers, who are attacking physical infrastructure, like power lines and stuff.
09:20:55.820 Like I think with Jeff Radd, sometimes they lose power and they were still counting.
09:20:59.580 And we had an attack in Red Deer last night where they wrote traitor on a sign and broke some windows.
09:21:05.140 So this stuff is happening.
09:21:06.480 Yeah, so the attacks are going to unfortunately continue as part of the game as far as I'm concerned.
09:21:13.320 and that's why we need to focus on contributing to those CPS
09:21:17.900 because that is, in fact, the world's chest as well, too.
09:21:20.980 So we're going to wrap this up.
09:21:23.220 I want to thank you, everybody, for organizing.
09:21:25.520 Thanks for the guys from the Critical Compass.
09:21:28.000 They've done an amazing job.
09:21:30.800 All the podcasters as well who were sharing
09:21:33.180 and patiently waiting for the streams to kick in
09:21:35.740 and for the technical side of things,
09:21:38.580 and I want to thank you, John, for organizing all of this.
09:21:41.000 It was a lot of work.
09:21:42.220 I know what it is.
09:21:43.320 and yeah there's a lot of work that gets that's seen around behind the scenes that you don't see
09:21:49.460 necessarily this is just the public facing side of things but obviously this is the private facing
09:21:55.740 ones so well thank you very much for watching and i'll see you next time and i'm going to
09:22:00.760 post pizza in energy so yeah so i would like i'd like to thank all the hosts um i i said early this
09:22:07.040 morning that I asked people if they would be part of this and every one of them said yes immediately
09:22:14.940 nobody said I'll get back to you they all said yes every one of them all the people that were on
09:22:21.620 today they said yes as well and it's been just such a joy working with these people we are so
09:22:27.840 blessed to know the people who are on here today but I think every one of us that were on this
09:22:34.040 stream today i think max would agree that we're blessed to know you yeah because you're part of
09:22:39.340 our movement we would like to say thank you for contributing there's still time uh we need to win
09:22:45.140 this thing and we're going to need more money and more money and more money it's hard to say that
09:22:49.780 but when it comes to politics really money really does do the talking so if you can continue to
09:22:56.240 contribute albertatelethon.com is up right now we still got an hour left we're heading to paul's
09:23:02.140 pizza maybe you want to meet us out there we're going right now my friend max thank you very much
09:23:07.160 thank you so much and we will talk to you again soon see ya my artistic or my internet autistic
09:23:15.140 friends i always keep saying all the time i always say that thanks guys thank you
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