00:00:00.000Hi, I'm John and this is my message to Ottawa.
00:00:10.000Voting Option 2 on October 19th does not mean Alberta is leaving Canada.
00:00:16.000Option 2 is about almost $200 billion in lost investment in Alberta over the last 11 years because of Ottawa.
00:00:25.000It's about $25 billion of your money going to Ottawa every year to be squandered by provincial and federal politicians.
00:00:33.180It's about our Western votes being counted in elections, but ultimately rendered meaningless as the East dictates the rules.
00:00:44.100It's about our resources being locked in the ground and Albertans who are proud, hardworking people having to grovel and beg to Ottawa to get them out.
00:00:55.000it's about 40 long years of saying the west wants in only to have career politicians tell us it
00:01:01.480will happen if we maintain the status quo i'm voting option two on october 19th because the
00:01:09.480other option means more of the same my name is john and that's my message
00:01:24.000Hello, everybody, and I hope you're doing well today. Thank you very much for being here.
00:01:28.960This is my first time ever doing what I'm doing right now from a studio, so I hope everything
00:01:34.700works out just fine today. It's so nice to have you here. I've got my coffee mug. We're
00:01:38.440going to have some coffee today. We're going to sit and talk about the Alberta independence
00:01:42.340movement, but there is a reason. Let me turn on my light, give myself a little bit more
00:01:45.620light here today. There's a reason for doing this today. It is Thanksgiving weekend. By
00:01:49.680the way, Thanksgiving, happy Thanksgiving to everybody. And you want to have some conversations
00:01:54.800with people. We've got what, nine, 10 days to go before we actually have the vote on October the
00:01:59.60019th. And this is the time to talk to people, family and friends. You'll see them this weekend.
00:02:03.960How do we get into those discussions? How do we talk to people about voting for option two on the
00:02:09.02019th? That's what this is about today. And I'd like to welcome my guest to the studio today,
00:02:14.880uh keith wilson uh we got your mic on there keith and there we go can you hear me okay sir
00:02:21.120i can hear you great can you hear me all right well yeah and you're looking good by the way on
00:02:25.280a saturday morning it's nice to have you here today you know i was thinking it would be smart
00:02:30.080for us to do like a coffee thing it is saturday people up around 10 o'clock maybe 11 o'clock in
00:02:35.040the morning and we don't often talk in the morning time these things generally happen we stick them
00:02:40.240in the evenings and you're doing speeches at night and whatnot so it's a good opportunity
00:02:44.400here for people to get involved and ask some questions and we can talk about Alberta independence
00:02:49.780and we'll wait for some more people to get in to talk a little bit here today and we'll talk about
00:02:55.340the reason for this live stream this morning. I wanted to get to know you a little bit. Can I
00:03:00.020ask you a couple of questions over coffee? Can we do that? Absolutely. Good morning to you. I have
00:03:05.640my rise of Alberta coffee. Awesome. So here's the thing. We're about the same age, I think.
00:06:37.640Why are you doing this on Thanksgiving weekend?
00:06:39.700Because, you know, one of the things that I've found is there's many people who are frustrated about the relationship, see the harm,
00:06:48.280remember the National Energy Program from the 70s, remember National Energy Program 2.0,
00:06:53.880from justin trudeau or you know in 2015 etc and we could go on and are fearful that we're going
00:06:59.880to have 3.0 being the export tax it'll probably come on in november um and but they're they they
00:07:09.480have really important questions that aren't answered for them you know they may be really
00:07:16.280concerned that they think they're going to lose their canadian passport and their pension
00:07:19.880And if I can make myself accessible to explain how that would actually work as a matter of law and practice, then I can help them make a better decision, a more informed decision, and hopefully cause them to realize that the right thing to do, the best thing to do, even if they don't want Canada to separate, and I can explain what even separation means, that it'll move them towards voting for option two.
00:07:45.160so that's what it's about is is really trying to and and we know you know normally this is the
00:07:50.880first time we have a family tradition uh i've got uh my wife's relatives who are farmers and they
00:07:56.520have five kids and every single thanksgiving we've gotten together but uh we're not this weekend
00:08:03.060because i'm here but they're huge supporters they're on the sign cruise they're down from
00:08:07.080bicycle area so they uh they understand why uncle keith's in front of the camera this weekend and
00:08:12.360not at the lake yeah i i you know i tried to upload this video see if it'll come up here
00:08:16.840but i'm confident this is you last year what happens in that process and this is critically
00:08:23.800important that next year whether it's in the spring or the fall there will be a province-wide
00:08:31.460referendum last year keith almost a year exactly that means every single one of you is now charged
00:08:40.900with a mission and that mission is to talk to your friends talk to your colleagues at work
00:08:48.900the guys on your shift the people in your baseball team or your hockey league everybody that you
00:08:56.980encounter to have the awkward discussions to get them to understand the opportunity that's before
00:09:03.860us the opportunity that how they will benefit how their family will benefit how their community will
00:09:09.940benefit how their kids will benefit by voting yes that is the imperative that we all have
00:09:16.820we can do it you must do it are we going to fight for our kids
00:09:23.460okay so that yeah you know you you nailed it this fall it's not a vote yes or no unfortunately we
00:09:30.260didn't get the exact vote we wanted but you were telling people last year you need to talk to
00:09:33.860people a year ago and here we are a week away unbelievable so that's what this is about let's
00:09:39.220You know, I don't want to have to ask a lot of questions today.
00:16:55.980Because they're doing this thing, separatist leaders, separatist leaders, separatist leaders, and they're trying to take them and stigmatize them and make them sound bad.
00:17:14.200and so it doesn't fit the narrative so they're trying to create a narrative there and i'm not
00:17:19.640only it's it's it's it's troubling because everything in that news piece that hit piece
00:17:26.440from the globe and mail they announced it like they had investigated this infiltrated and just
00:17:33.880discovered it every single thing that they reported on had been publicly announced over
00:17:41.800a year ago in many instances by the very people who went to have these uh meetings in auto in
00:17:48.680washington and many of them reported on them before they publicly before they even left
00:17:54.200washington they talked about them on podcasts with you and many others they talked about them
00:17:59.640at town hall meetings the news media had reported on them but as the as to to create stigma and
00:18:07.240cause people not to want to be associated with independence or voting for option two that's the
00:18:13.800play and uh as i said to the reporter from the globe and mail yesterday when i answered his
00:18:19.440questions respectfully uh and and responded in a timely manner despite my deep concern about the
00:18:26.840globe and mail's conduct uh i said to him i pointed this out to him and not that i expected him to do
00:18:33.660anything about it but i just felt i needed to be clear about my concerns and i also pointed out to
00:18:39.260him that it's not surprising that the public's trust in the state-funded media the ms you know
00:18:47.360mainstream media is like this and it's currently at 37 so yeah uh that's what we're up against
00:18:55.180but you know i'm also reminded about this john is i think about other movements in history
00:19:02.640you know, whether it's Poland or elsewhere, and where they had basically a system that I'll say
00:19:11.000at a minimum was unfair and non-optimal. And they had to convince people without the benefit
00:19:22.780of social media, without the benefit of podcasts, without this type of ability. So I continue to
00:19:30.260be encouraged by the expression that I hear from time to time, never underestimate the wisdom of
00:19:35.500the crowd. People understand that our relationship with Ottawa is unfair, that Alberta has a
00:19:42.340structural weakness in our constitutional framework. And they now understand we have a choice.
00:19:48.060You know, that was my major focus last year was getting people to understand there's a legal
00:19:51.460pathway as set out by the Supreme Court of Canada, the 1998 reference case, that legally a province
00:19:57.560can, through referendum, move towards redefining its relationship with Ottawa.
00:20:03.780It's interesting. I was on X. I don't go to X very much. I consider a bit of a sewer,
00:20:08.360and it just kind of agitates me. But no, I saw a graphic this morning. It was right here. It
00:20:16.140said Quebec Sovereignists, and over here it said Alberta Separatists. It's the way we're being0.99
00:20:21.120labeled here. And I found it fascinating, the Globe and Mail story, that they would even write
00:20:26.380it. To think that the people in the independence movement, whether it was Mitch Sylvester and Jeff
00:20:30.820Rath, who went to the States, that the United States administration was going to make a deal
00:20:34.580with them when it came to oil and gas is the most absurd thing I've ever heard in my life. It was
00:20:40.220just ridiculous. You know that joke about, hi, John, I'm officially authorized by the mayor of0.60
00:20:45.040New York to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. Yeah, exactly. You know, and each of the people who
00:20:52.740went to that meeting the Albertans have strongly denied that these things even
00:20:56.880happened the way they're characterized and they pointed out that's absurd you
00:21:01.080know there'd be a kid it's like the Globe and Mail action so either they're
00:21:05.640dishonest and they're engaged in propaganda to protect their funding from
00:21:11.220their bosses the state because they're state funded now so they're either0.81
00:21:15.660dishonest or they're incompetent because they actually believe that that some
00:21:21.420somebody can show up and have authority to do these things. Just like that guy who says,
00:21:26.580yeah, I'm authorized by the mayor of New York to sell you the Brooklyn.
00:21:29.280Yeah. You don't have to pick one or the other. Could be both dishonest and incompetent.
00:21:34.820Both things could be true at the same time.
00:21:37.600That's right. Okay. Let's see here. I think I can bring this up. I'm just trying to learn,
00:21:41.580still trying to learn how to do this stuff. Okay. We'll bring that up in just a moment.
00:21:44.960Thanks a lot to Adventurers. We appreciate it. Keep your questions coming. We'll try to get to
00:21:48.780as many as possible. We could be here all day. We're getting a lot of questions. Let me see if
00:21:52.560we can find another one here. Okay. Here's one right here. Do you think there'll be a problem
00:21:57.400as regard to the crown or king if Alberta does indeed vote in favor to separate? Does the king
00:22:01.780have any authority seeing that Canada is a constitutional monarchy or the constitutional
00:22:06.020lawyer? Maybe you can spread some information to us here, Keith. We would have prior to 1982.
00:22:13.8801982 is when our constitution was repatriated, which means all of the sovereign powers moved from the king, because some were here in Canada, but there was residual power still with the Privy Council and other bodies in the UK.
00:22:40.260the repatriation of the constitution was the queen saying she's all yours now yeah now there's still
00:22:47.340symbolic roles um but the 1998 reference decision of the supreme court of canada if it were the case
00:22:57.120that the king could somehow stop this that would have been in the decision the decision is clear
00:23:04.040that the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 1998
00:23:07.060when they were examining whether or not Quebec could leave
00:23:12.800and redefine its constitutional relationship with Canada.
00:23:16.180And they said yes, and they said it applies to all provinces.
00:23:20.480And they declared that it's part of the constitutional framework of Canada.
00:23:25.260We're unique from all other democracies around the world
00:23:29.580where our constitutional framework lays out a process whereby if a if a province not a
00:23:38.420municipality jason kenny will say oh well well edmonton will want to become no it's the the
00:23:44.740decision was clear a province so where are your boundaries that's why people say oh well you won't
00:23:50.280get the national parks no is banff national park within the boundaries of alberta yes or no yes
00:23:55.520okay therefore it's included so um the short answer is no the king can't stop it um uh because
00:24:05.000the supreme court of canada made clear that the king's consent is not a requirement okay thank
00:24:10.220you very much i think i can just click on there we go uh thanks for the 50 super chat it's very
00:24:14.080nice this is just a comment thank you both very much for everything you've done sacrifices you
00:24:18.720have made all the hard work and everything you both will continue to do this movement will never
00:24:22.420be over until we gain independence. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours and everyone.
00:24:26.360Maybe I can just comment on this off the top. You know, I've met so many people, Keith,
00:24:29.420you're out there all the time. I do a little bit. I just happen to have this platform to talk to
00:24:34.600people. You know, I pick and choose what I go to. I try to do as much as I can, but everybody
00:24:39.860is doing a little bit. And that's what I say. I keep saying, I shake, they shake my hand and say,
00:24:45.020thank you for all you do. I say, I just do a little bit. I really do. Thank you for being
00:24:48.880at this event because all these like to me yeah what's so important is they're there they're
00:24:55.060engaged and they come out and uh i'm just doing my little bit and and uh you know but there's
00:25:02.840another message in here this the this moment this movement will never be over until we gain
00:25:07.840independence um i get asked this question at all the town halls i go to it happened at grand prairie
00:25:13.800a couple weeks ago it happened in lloydminster this past week i just got back from medicine
00:25:18.500hat last night, as you know, from being there the other night with Tanya and Kathy and Angela,
00:25:24.560sharing the stage with them. And what I point out, and it was most remarkable, John, up in Grand
00:25:30.800Prairie, during the question and answer, there was probably, I don't know, 250 plus people in the
00:25:36.520room, maybe 300. And someone from the audience on a floor mic said, you know, basically, what happens
00:25:42.060if we don't succeed on this vote on the 19th.
00:25:47.340And, you know, what's next for the independence movement kind of thing?
00:26:12.060yeah and what i mean by that to illuminate it is once you think about this and go wait a minute
00:26:19.900why are we we get taxed a lot why are we sending an additional 20 30 billion dollars a year
00:26:28.940to ottawa again that we have no say in how it's spent wait a minute under the way our constitution0.53
00:26:36.620set up wherever the population center is will always have the power legislatively to impose
00:26:44.860their will and take things from where the population isn't in other words ontario that
00:26:51.260has three times albertus population roughly and quebec that has twice our population
00:26:55.580will always rule us and then you go well why is that why should that be and then you look0.80
00:27:02.860substantively at the decision making two-tier justice out of control immigration out of control
00:27:07.180spending deficit printing money causing inflation causing a portability crisis you know people
00:27:14.300suffering a little bit of ps post-traumatic stress disorder each time they go to safeway
00:27:20.540so then they go no this has got to change this is just a change and we go through these periods you
00:27:28.700You know, where the, unfortunately, I do think it's legitimate and perhaps even necessary to use the analogy of the abusive spouse against, you know, the deadbeat husband who's, and it's the wife who's doing all the hard work, the breadwinner, keeping the place together.
00:27:50.060And as soon as she starts to realize her worth, the husband shows up with a bouquet of flowers and some chocolates.
00:28:00.700And in this instance, it was an announcement about a pipeline.
00:28:04.920And I won't get into all the controversy of that, at least not at this moment.
00:28:12.220And then it was, you know, upgrading our military bases here.
00:28:18.220And then in the last 24 hours, it was the appointment of some judges that were recommended by the Alberta government.
00:28:26.760And by the way, they're outstanding lawyers.
00:28:28.860And I'm thrilled about the announcements tomorrow, both the elevation to the Court of Appeal and the appointment to the Court of King's Bench.
00:28:56.900One of the things the Globe and Mail reporter asked me yesterday, and I wasn't anticipating the question, so I answered quite spontaneously.
00:29:06.300And he said, how am I feeling about where things are at right now?
00:29:47.520now, and in particularly recently, saying, imposed use Alberta. We got to prop up. We get elected by
00:29:54.480the voters in Ontario and Quebec. It's a manufacturing economy. It's failing. The Americans
00:30:00.880want to move those jobs back to the United States. The Democrats are going to carry it on.
00:30:04.880the democrats are more passionate about repatriating high-paying union manufacturing
00:30:12.840jobs the united states than even donald trump is so this isn't just a trump thing
00:30:16.740um and they've made themselves uncompetitive um so the big the big leverage the powerhouse
00:30:25.780the vulnerability the united states has its weakness is that over 55 percent of its oil
00:30:32.240imports come from alberta we alberta import ships to the united states more oil than they get from
00:30:39.760all the other countries in the world right so you've got doug ford premier ford and
00:30:45.280rob canoe and premier evie all saying you know put it in export tax on well and i'm sure they
00:30:52.960all went wait till after the 19th right and um uh and we'll give them we'll bring them
00:31:00.880we'll bring them some flowers and we'll bring them some chocolates and we'll be nice to them
00:31:06.320and then boom just like the national energy program the structural defect for them to do
00:31:11.760that is still there they have the legal authority to do it and according to stats canada i was
00:31:15.920researching this again last night it will cost over 160 000 jobs in albert like this is you know
00:31:23.440so i feel so when the reporter said how am i feeling about this i said i'm anxious because
00:31:28.400I'm worried that Albertans are going to make the wrong choice. Even if they want to stay in
00:31:34.760Canada, they need to pick option two to say, Ottawa, no. You need to do things differently.
00:31:41.640You need to treat us differently. And you need to make a proposal as to how you're going to make
00:31:46.420this right. How are you going to change the constitution and our relationship with Canada
00:31:50.460so that we have fairness? No, it's interesting. We talk about leverage. We talk about sending
00:31:55.840a message. That's what this is about. It's not a vote for Alberta to leave. And I find it
00:32:00.180fascinating that all of a sudden, and you're alluding to this and talking about this,
00:32:05.000everybody's showing up here. We haven't even voted on this yet. And we've got some leverage.
00:32:09.320Think of the leverage we'll have when we vote for option two. And something people need to know,
00:32:13.880and we talk about our vote not mattering here as well. There are 23 liberal seats in Toronto.
00:32:23.720I think we might have 38 in the whole province or something like that, Keith, if I'm not mistaken.
00:32:28.360I think, I'm not sure how many, there's been a few people walking across the aisle to the liberals,
00:32:32.920but I think there might be 32 or 33 conservatives in this province that pretty much blew and it
00:32:37.640doesn't make any difference at all. So, you know, just think about that when you're going out and
00:32:41.660what we do here, it has no effect on what's happening out east. Let me go to our next
00:32:46.680question here. And this is something you're hearing a lot about. Thanks to 600 Moxie,
00:32:52.100can you talk about the first nine questions and why we need to even answer them? Some people are
00:32:56.520saying, don't answer them all, only go for number 10. What are your thoughts on this?
00:33:01.580Well, politics isn't nuanced. And the reports, the results of the first nine questions will be
00:33:14.380reported as a percentage. They won't say, oh, well, people obviously tried to send a message
00:33:20.640because the voter turnout return ballots on or the number of ballots filled out was this percentage
00:33:26.640lower they're not going to go there it's not just how it works it's just going to be overwhelming
00:33:32.280majority of albertans vote no right so and you're going to say well that wasn't my view and i'm
00:33:38.600like well why didn't you express it then yeah so that's so so my short answer is this uh from my
00:33:45.060analysis and assessment of things, the right thing to do, given how politics works and how it's
00:33:51.420reported and how only a certain percentage, a smaller percentage of the population is politically
00:33:58.180engaged, is I'm voting yes to the nine and I'm voting for option two. So you can choose not to
00:34:08.120vote, but they're not going to report that vote. So you're wasting your own message. And if you do
00:34:14.000think that um the other nine questions and let me be clear some of them are just ridiculous1.00
00:34:23.680they're stupid they're just stupid and they're almost incomprehensible yeah i'm i'm a king's1.00
00:34:30.820council lawyer constitutional lawyer regulatory lawyer i'm used to interpreting very complicated1.00
00:34:37.280things um uh i've been doing it for 32 years i've drafted legislation many times in my career
00:34:44.720and i'm reading some of these going what the hell am i being asked so they're just
00:34:50.380and i think they're a political gimmick like for example um amending uh or or um
00:34:58.780abolishing the senate right yeah well the rest of the country's not going to go along with that
00:35:05.900no you know so there's four of those questions too that will never get changed four of them
00:35:10.040so to answer the specific um at 600 moxie um my advice is yes you should answer them there's not
00:35:20.120going to be a waiting answering them doesn't take away from question 10 on election night
00:35:25.980elections alberta has said that they will count ballot number 10 first they won't even start
00:35:31.800counting the other ones until they've announced the results that evening probably sometime between
00:35:37.4001 a.m and 4 a.m uh uh of of what the option one option two question 10 result is and it still
00:35:47.400sends a message uh and gives some direction to the government if you vote yes to the other ones
00:35:53.160but the other thing about the nine questions uh a week ago i had that debate the third debate with
00:35:58.760jason kenney and they brought up a second person so it was two against one but but that's fine i
00:36:04.040still i think was able to get some points in even though they manipulated the time and um that was
00:36:10.680one of the questions from the host of the cbc host at the university of albert debate and you can
00:36:16.120watch it on youtube is that um what do we think about the nine basically and that's one thing we
00:36:22.120all seem to agree on was that they weren't really good and but i also said they serve as an
00:36:27.640illustration because and i reminded premier kenny of what he'd said in a previous debate
00:36:33.160which is um recall john and when you and i've talked about this before and you've talked about
00:36:38.840it on your own which is in 2000 in 2021 there was a referendum put on by then premier kenny
00:36:45.000on whether or not albertans wanted out of equalization we wanted it changed and ended
00:36:49.000and 62 of albertans voted in that referendum and said yes we did and so the premier was asked at
00:36:55.160a previous debate well what did he do about it and uh to advance that result of the people through
00:37:02.120direct democracy of a referendum and he said he wrote a letter to the prime minister asking for
00:37:07.320a constitutional conference and the prime minister wrote back and said no and then he wrote a second
00:37:12.600set of letters to the first ministers in other words the other premiers and said hey let's have
00:37:18.440a first ministers meeting to talk about a constitutional amendment change equalization
00:37:23.640and they wrote back and said no and then premier kenny said to the audience in that debate that
00:37:28.840ended it that's exactly what will happen with the first nine it's because there's zero up there's
00:37:34.040zero negative consequence constitutionally legally or otherwise if the government ignores the nine
00:37:40.280but not the tenth because the tent can lead to a situation the way i like to describe this john
00:37:46.600is that imagine um right now with all the nine um just like what happened with premier kenny
00:37:55.560it doesn't result in a meeting room being set up with chairs in it where the parties must attend
00:38:02.760right and right now if there were a meeting even if the prime minister voluntarily had one
00:38:10.360and the size of the chairs were representatives of the power people hold he would be on this
00:38:16.920massive chair and alberta would be sitting on a stool okay however what the supreme
00:38:24.360court of canada was clear in the 1998 reference case the way they laid it out that if down the
00:38:31.480road in the next vote not this vote this just starts the process uh there's another
00:38:39.080exit ramp if you decide you don't want to actually separate but it requires a meeting in a meeting0.71
00:38:48.040room and all the chairs are the same size alberta goes into that negotiation with the same power
00:38:55.080the same authority as the federal government that's the only circumstance of all the 10 questions
00:39:01.720where that dynamic that negotiation dynamic is created that's why it's so clear to me that we
00:39:07.400we should vote option two, if you believe in independence, but also if you think Alberta
00:39:12.900needs a better deal. If you're concerned about the status quo, if you're concerned about at any time,
00:39:18.520the federal government can just do like it's done every so many years, is just use Alberta as well
00:39:24.940and our hard work and our tax dollars to advantage their voter base. Then you really got to vote for
00:39:32.780option to, to put some pressure on for us to get a better deal. I was one of the people who voted
00:39:38.140for the six of the 62%. And if you voted for one of those people, this is the only way that's
00:39:44.380going to change is if you vote option two, you've got to vote option two. Um, by the way, thanks to
00:39:49.600the 892 people who are with us right now. Thank you so much for being here. And so many people
00:39:55.300saying, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Keith. We can't address all of
00:39:59.200and we'll try to get to as many questions as possible here where i deliberately changed the
00:40:05.520screen so i'm not seeing any of the comments i love the big one on the bottom because i felt
00:40:10.480it's just going to distract me so yeah there's saying thank you thank thank you to them for
00:40:16.640joining us for coffee on saturday morning on a up here in edmonton how's the weather down there john
00:40:21.280it's uh it's blustery we had a few flakes out there and they weren't carrying forever canadian
00:40:25.920signs this morning because when i looked out my window i'm like i'm pretty sure my neighbor's
00:40:34.320shingles were brown and black why are they white oh i haven't seen that yet oh i don't like it
00:40:41.120we've got we've got it we've got it so just looking you know it's snowing and yeah my neighbor's roof
00:40:46.640is white there you haven't got that yet by the way uh fringe uh he got in he said keith without
00:40:52.000a suit a rare keith wilson being spotted so there you go but we're having coffee in the morning you
00:40:57.920don't wear a suit for coffee in the morning but john the reason is it's wrinkled because i sleep
00:41:04.080in my suit like everybody knows now okay here's a really good question okay and they're all good0.89
00:41:10.880questions don't get me wrong and and don't think your questions are dumb don't think that because
00:41:15.840don't think that it's absolutely true yes nice like how are you supposed to know this stuff
00:41:22.480yeah so yeah have you ever done this before i haven't and and do the uh i know a guy who has
00:41:30.820a question right yeah like it's not yours of course you know the answer but you want to
00:41:36.180yeah a friend friend of mine has a question his name is the same as mine uh so here's the question
00:41:42.640here. Thanks to Sleeve of Wizard, $20 super chat. Thank you. How will the currency monetary system
00:41:48.580be implemented? And who do we have working on this issue? Alberta first, let's go. I think you've
00:41:53.600done a little bit of work on this one, maybe. But then again, you don't know. I mean, again,
00:41:59.460we haven't done this before. It was the last time I voted to possibly have a referendum,
00:42:04.640you know, have a referendum like this. So can you answer this question for us?
00:42:07.940Sure. It's on page 76 of the Transition Council, which is the Alberta Transition Council transition plan. So several months ago, I realized that these questions needed to be answered.
00:42:26.180So I brought together over 40 experts from across the province and outside the province even, who have specialized expertise in monetary policy, bond markets, currency, banking, international trade, diplomacy, aviation, criminal justice, telecommunications, agriculture, oil and gas, resource development, railways, you know, you name it.
00:42:54.720border services, military, policing. And we went to work on preparing a transition plan
00:43:04.720that details the steps and the considerations involved in Alberta, moving from a province
00:43:12.240to taking over those few functions that the federal government provides. And one of the
00:43:18.180functions is currency and the monetary system. And what the experts recommended, and you can
00:43:24.500read it in the transition plan the transition plan is available on at the albertatransitioncouncil.com
00:43:33.240albertatransitioncouncil.com website just google alberta transition council plan it'll come right
00:43:38.680up and you can either read it online and there's indexes so you can go right to the part you want
00:43:44.020to read so you don't have to read the whole thing or you can print it off and read the whole thing
00:43:47.540it's up to you but it's in there and what the experts recommended that is on a transitional
00:43:55.160basis if Albertans vote in this vote to hold option two and then in the future say in the
00:44:05.280spring of 2027 we hold the actual referendum on independence then the negotiations begin the
00:44:14.260mandatory good-faith negotiations would commence,
01:34:06.800now in the context we have here we have the chief electoral officer for um many months
01:34:16.240has ignored uh the fact that thomas lakasik and his forever canadian campaign was campaigning
01:34:24.220and was collecting donations in excess of the limits because he would say that there's no
01:34:31.500there's no is website allowed unlimited donations i had people approach me very wealthy people
01:34:37.340that wanted to donate a hundred thousand dollars and i had to tell them you can't i'm the most
01:34:42.400you're allowed to donate under the rules is five thousand thomas was taking donations in excess of
01:34:47.780the limits uh and elections alberta knew this i had people approach me that wanted to donate
01:34:53.740from outside of alberta uh none from the united states but from british columbia and ontario and
01:34:59.400other provinces, Saskatchewan. And we had to say, no, the rules are clear. Only Albertans and
01:35:04.200Alberta businesses. Thomas openly invited people when they said, hey, I'm not from Alberta. Can
01:35:10.640I donate? He's absolutely go to our website. Here's how you do it. And so we saw two campaign
01:35:15.800offices that had a big sign on them from a sign maker, not out of paper, you know, the proper
01:35:25.220sign like you'd see at a starbucks saying forever canadian campaign office you had two of them
01:35:32.420those you're supposed to declare the value of the monthly rent as a donation he did none of that
01:35:39.220we look at all the signs he printed so elections alberta with complaint after complaint after
01:35:44.700complaint turned a blind eye let put its thumb on the scale and let the other side get an advantage
01:35:50.240And it was only after Rebel News and Sheila Gunn-Reed brought a court challenge to expose this and have the courts get involved that the chief electoral officer said, well, I'm going to make Lukasik comply with the rules backdated to August 20th.
01:36:07.120well he's already had a massive advantage so there's concerns about the neutrality of elections
01:36:13.440alberta and whether they're on one they're making all of us follow every rule if you're
01:36:18.560you're pro-independence or pro option two but not the option one guys so i'm glad they're finally
01:36:24.960making lukasic follow some of the rules it's too late the damage is done so to receive a letter
01:36:30.880from elections alberta saying that the 240 some people uh are not who who we had put forward to
01:36:39.180be scrutineers at the polling stations across alberta are not allowed to be in the room and
01:36:45.120are not going to be allowed to be scrutineers is is not building confidence in the integrity of
01:36:51.900the voting process yeah here's i've taken away the uh the basic information to protect the
01:36:57.040innocent here. Jason sent this to me. He said, it's fine. It's his general, um, it's identical
01:37:01.440letter that I received. Yeah. It's the same one. And here's more of here. And apparently it's
01:37:04.760because space, they don't have enough space. And I wanted to just mention, you're literally
01:37:12.860talking about at each polling station, we would have had at most two people. Yeah. Well, you know,
01:37:19.020it's funny. I was out at the Chinook center here in Calgary yesterday and I was walking through
01:37:22.240the mall and people went John, cause they watched my channel and they are actually scrutineers for
01:37:26.900the UCP and they, you know, they're trying, they want to remain neutral. That's what their job is
01:37:32.380there, but they're, they're going out and they're going to be scrutineers with the UCP. It's not as
01:37:36.500if we're not going to have people who are going to be scrutineering, is that what it's called?
01:37:41.140Scrutineering during this, that are not part of the Alberta independence movement. They're out
01:37:45.260there as well. Maybe, I don't know how many would be with the NDP, but with the UCP. So keep that
01:37:50.480in mind. I just wanted to bring up, you, you mentioned that you want, you are, you are getting
01:37:56.020these people who wanted to give you these big donations to let Alberta decide. You've reached
01:38:00.600your goal, and we've only got about nine, ten days left. I know some of the other TPAs, third-party
01:38:05.460advertisers, could still use a little bit of money, so if you can help them out, you can do that. And
01:38:10.740I just wanted to mention, I was talking to Corey Morgan this morning. Corey's out there. He's out
01:38:15.120there today. He's at the Auburn Bay Dog Walk Park, not five minutes from where I live right now.
01:38:19.520So he's handing out signs today until 2 o'clock, and that's at 52nd Street, just south of Stony Trail here in the southeast on the west side.
02:06:29.880See, my wife was working for a company where she saw about three quarters of her employees
02:06:35.780lose their jobs right after Trudeau got in.
02:06:38.680she would come home and it was like the sort of Damocles hanging over her head thinking she was
02:06:44.760going to be next. Every day she came home. We lost so-and-so. I remember going out to these
02:06:51.100goodbye parties from Americans who had moved here, had children here, thinking they were going to
02:06:55.320stay here the rest of their lives, who were moving back to the United States. And I saw a lot of that.1.00
02:06:59.600And I remember going to our doctor, and my wife wouldn't be afraid of me saying this,
02:07:03.760going there to talk to her because she had these anxiety issues. She was going to lose her job.0.99
02:07:07.620luckily she didn't. He said, we have lots of people dealing on this right now. Lots of people
02:07:13.100are showing up here because they've lost their jobs because of the economic situation. Remember,
02:07:17.820Alberta's lost almost $200 billion in investment since Trudeau got in. And we talked about the
02:07:23.380trillion dollars in lost investment over the last 10 years. Yeah. So you've got to remember.
02:07:29.980rbc said it was seven of the of the trillion dollars yeah of investment over 700 billion was
02:07:37.100in alberta yeah yeah and this is what i'm really concerned about i think carney's just waiting
02:07:44.300he's now got separatists in quebec they're a manufacturing economy what's more important to
02:07:50.700him losing support you know how many votes does carney get the liberals get in alberta next to
02:07:55.740nothing right we got what three mps or something that are liberal um it's all blue so and it's all
02:08:02.780red in quebec yep so as soon as we get through this if we fall for the bluff if we fall for the
02:08:08.500fear if we don't see the opportunity i think he's going to bring in that export tax and to try and
02:08:16.000get a better deal to prop up ontario and quebec which they need to keep up to stay in power and
02:08:22.620keep liberal governments in Ottawa. And that anxiety that your wife experienced, those who are
02:08:30.320in the oil and gas industry in Calgary and elsewhere are going to experience it again
02:08:35.600because Stats Canada estimates it'll cost 160,000 jobs, man. This is serious stuff.
02:08:43.280And we're just going to let that happen. And we have a choice to stop it. We know the reason
02:08:49.280they made the pipeline announcement is because of the independence referendum we know the reason
02:08:54.660they made the announcement of eight billion dollars to upgrade the military bases in alberta
02:08:59.220is because the referendum we know the reason they accepted the advice from uh the premier on who
02:09:05.340should be appointed to the bench instead of just doing it as they can their own way is because of
02:09:10.720this if we take that pressure away man it's surrender the only liberal in the province i
02:09:18.100believe is Thomas Lukasik's buddy Eleanor Olszewski here he is so happy and proud of you he is a
02:09:23.580liberal ladies and gentlemen if you didn't know that here he is right here he was out campaigning
02:09:27.800going door to door with this woman so keep that in mind and there's I think Horgan or somebody
02:09:32.940in Calgary too there's there's a yeah there's yeah yeah yeah there's maybe one other but
02:09:37.460fascinating though if you go back from about a week ago to a newspaper coverage of Tomics
02:09:44.900in thomas lukasik was in uh in toronto and it was the economics club or the canada club or something
02:09:51.680and he made a plea to ontario to take our concerns from alberta seriously and not dismiss them and
02:10:01.880not name call us seppies um and that we have legitimate grievances and show a little love
02:10:09.420and show a little respect and what was spectacular about that moment and the reporter captured it
02:10:17.020was there was no response from the audience it's just like what are you talking about you know like
02:10:22.980and there's such indifference the reporter commented on the level of indifference in other
02:10:29.320words thomas's completely proper message where a moment in time i'm aligned with him
02:10:35.560fell on deaf ears yeah yeah flat so they're just waiting us out and they've got too much
02:10:43.480self-interest they've always seen us as a place that can be exploited to their advantage that's
02:10:49.040our history and they don't want that history to change but i do well we're with keith wilson
02:10:55.160maybe we'll wrap it up at two and a half hours we're now um maybe 20 minutes left and we're
02:11:00.120trying to get to as many questions as possible thank you to the 1056 people still on this stream
02:11:05.300We do appreciate it. We have a lot of people in the rest of the country send me email all the time saying, we're really rooting for you. You know, when you see Let Alberta Decide or Rise of Alberta or anybody in the independence movement on social media, just share it, retweet it, get it out there, get more information out there. Got to put this one up. Unacceptable fringe. If you want to start a money war challenge accepted, 50 bucks. Thank you very much. By the way, by the way, the challenge is over. You win.
02:11:31.340thank you fringe i appreciate it my friend thank you so much okay we'll move on to this one clm
02:11:40.020111 2799 no comment we appreciate that very much i think what i'll do is i'll give this money to
02:11:46.160like an animal shelter that takes young kids i think we'll do that with the money here and then
02:11:50.620we've got this one it's more of a comment than anything thanks so much john and keith for all
02:11:54.420your hardware good information great content keep it up if you want to comment on that by by all
02:11:59.160means you can do that thank you well this is uh uh i'm not doing this for money as many of you know
02:12:04.200i largely put my law highly profitable law practice on hold with my wife's encouragement
02:12:09.500uh i just see this as a one in time opportunity i feel as a parent my wife and i have four kids
02:12:14.960i think as a parent you have an obligation to protect your kids going into the future
02:12:19.160and i think frankly this is provocative but i think it's it's irresponsible for us as parents
02:12:25.500and grandparents to knowingly leave our children and their well-being and their future at the
02:12:31.980mercy of ottawa when we have a choice we have a lawful peaceful democratic way of changing it and
02:12:39.260protecting their future so that's what motivates me i'm grateful for the kind words but frankly
02:12:46.560and not to be disrespectful that's not what motivates me what motivates me is i know we can
02:12:51.900do better and we must. The thing that, I don't know that other people have used this word. I
02:12:58.600live in Southeast Calgary. I live in a nice community in Southeast Calgary. And if you just
02:13:02.140go across the main highway that runs through Calgary, it's called Deerfoot Trail. You go to
02:13:07.220a place called Mackenzie Lake, which oversees Fish Creek Park, which runs across the whole
02:13:12.460bottom of Calgary pretty much from, well, not all of it, but a large part of it. And these are
02:13:17.740beautiful $3, $4 million homes. And I see a lot of the forever Canadian signs out there. I call
02:13:22.600these people selfish. They've got a beautiful house paid for $3, $4 million, perfectly paved
02:13:30.540new driveway, all of their, all the landscaping's done out there. They're not thinking beyond
02:13:36.020their own generation. You know, they're, they're not thinking about the young people. They're not
02:13:40.880thinking about their grandchildren. I see them as selfish. And that's the way I describe these
02:13:44.600people so i don't want my kids to have to leave alberta or leave canada for a future and so many
02:13:53.140you know you asked me at the start what do i do when i'm not working uh and i mentioned that i we
02:13:59.160have this lake property so you know uh you know i i was a pretty popular mr wilson for my kids
02:14:06.960friends and and and a pretty popular uncle because you know i had to take them out tubing on the lake
02:14:12.760can take them fishing and have a campfire and take them quadding and skidooing and all that
02:14:18.140really cool fun stuff and target practice. But I've got to know these kids when they were eight
02:14:26.040and nine and then 11 and 12 and on and on and on. And now they're in their 20s and some of them are
02:14:31.560in their 30s. So I check in with them. And I am disturbed about the world they face. I'm disturbed
02:14:39.800about the canada they face the loss of opportunity they're never at my wife and i bought our duplex
02:14:49.320uh when we were about 27 years old and everybody in my friend group and most of them were trades
02:14:57.560people and different things only a few of them were in university or college educated
02:15:03.240we were one of the last in our friend group to actually buy a house
02:15:06.600everyone had about it was just the norm and we had our first child when we were 30
02:15:12.680and just about all of our friends already had two we had to do play catch-up and uh um and
02:15:20.200i now look at that generation they have no hope of buying a house or or they see it so far down
02:15:27.240the road and becoming and then they're choosing not to start families because they don't think
02:15:33.640they can afford it or they're pessimistic about the future we need to change that that's wrong
02:15:39.720we failed if we don't change that especially because we have this opportunity to do so
02:15:45.400right okay we've got somebody here um let me just let me go down here i want to find this one right
02:15:51.720here i've said this at times keith about a lot of the get-togethers we have the rallies we have that
02:16:00.520we're preaching to the choir. A lot of people show up. They want to be part of this movement. But
02:16:05.680your Let Alberta Decide has created some great commercials. If you're driving around now,
02:16:13.500you're not just preaching to the choir anymore. You're out there on the radio and people are
02:16:17.620hearing these. You reached your goal when it came to fundraising and you put money into
02:16:23.560mainstream media, but you got to reach those people. So you're not just preaching to the
02:16:27.860choir anymore no and um what i think the ultimate retort to that is is i'm not making anything up
02:16:39.280i'm telling the truth i'm telling the truth about the dark side of the predicament we're in
02:16:46.260where people i joked lighted heartedly that people are suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder
02:16:52.780when they go to Safeway because they now realize, you know, the other joke I've made, you know,
02:16:58.320dark joke is that I remember when I was in university and struggling student and two
02:17:05.240part-time jobs, student loans and things, because I didn't come from money. I was the first lawyer
02:17:11.800in my family and so on that I made the mistake once of going to a new car dealership just for
02:17:19.840a break and i remember walking through that place thinking someday i'm going to afford one of these
02:17:26.000pickup trucks you know and and now when i go to safeway or sobeys i see people in the aisle
02:17:33.360looking at that jar of pickles going someday i'm going to be able to afford to put that in my cart
02:17:39.840and that's wrong and it's it's a failure of policy you know the carbon tax and the industrial carbon
02:17:46.680tax gets passed through the whole system um uh the clean energy regulations add to the cost of
02:17:53.800electricity what's one of the major costs of running a grocery store electricity look of all
02:18:01.320the refrigeration the freezer the the dairy the produce all the lighting they use a huge amount
02:18:08.520of electricity immediately adds to their bottom line the reason the cost of living is so high in
02:18:14.920in canada is a failure of the policies at the federal level um and if you travel elsewhere
02:18:22.760and discover how comparative things are so much cheaper even if they're in u.s dollars relative
02:18:28.520to here you see that so we have an obligation it's an objective truth you talked about that
02:18:35.560that that chart that horizontal bar chart that showed that we're performing more poorly
02:18:41.720than the poorest of states in the United States.