Juno News - October 20, 2026


Albertans vote to remain in Canada. What happens next?

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00:00:00.000 Albertans have spoken and a clear majority have voted to remain part of Canada, but almost
00:00:11.640 one in four favor a move towards independence.
00:00:15.220 The key ballot question in yesterday's referendum ended with 76% rejecting the idea of holding
00:00:21.660 a second binding referendum on independence.
00:00:25.480 Here is Prime Minister Carney reacting to the results.
00:00:28.160 Good morning.
00:00:29.600 Good morning.
00:00:30.600 Good morning.
00:00:31.600 Good morning.
00:00:32.600 Good morning.
00:00:33.600 Good morning.
00:00:34.600 Good day.
00:00:35.600 It's a good day for, it's a great day for Canada.
00:00:38.960 Very, it's such a good day I'm out of breath yet again, proving my lack of fitness.
00:00:45.920 The, no, it's a great result for Canada, thrilled that Albertans have chosen unity,
00:00:54.500 They've chosen to build together.
00:00:56.120 They've chosen to continue to take care of each other,
00:00:58.940 to move forward together with purpose, high ambition.
00:01:06.940 Our guest today is Corey Morgan,
00:01:08.320 senior columnist for the Western Standard
00:01:10.220 and host of The Corey Morgan Show.
00:01:12.060 Welcome to the show, Corey.
00:01:13.380 Thanks, Mark.
00:01:14.880 Let's talk about what happened yesterday.
00:01:17.440 The dust is settling.
00:01:19.920 Those who helped quarterback the movement towards a referendum,
00:01:24.300 I think are standing back, waiting to formulate some opinion about what took place and moving forward.
00:01:33.260 What do you think happened yesterday?
00:01:36.700 Well, I mean, we can't dismiss having one in four Albertans saying they're ready to break out of the status quo with independence.
00:01:43.740 It was a long ways from the 50% it would have taken to get on and move towards a binding boat.
00:01:49.640 Alberta clearly doesn't quite have one foot out the door yet, but it's got a growing movement.
00:01:54.800 I've been at this almost depressingly long time. If we'd have tried to hold a referendum like this,
00:02:00.340 say 15 or 20 years ago, we'd have been lucky to break double digits. Now we're in the point of
00:02:04.220 a quarter of Albertans. So this is a slow and steady growth. What I think happened over the
00:02:09.340 course of a five-month campaign, because it was tiresome, was we really established the support
00:02:16.500 that was already there, but we did fail to reach out and bring in the undecided.
00:02:20.660 The numbers seemed to stay static almost throughout the entire campaign.
00:02:24.300 Support for independence wasn't dropping through it, but it didn't really gain a lot either.
00:02:29.060 We'd hoped for better, hoped we would have reached more undecideds and bring them in.
00:02:33.740 I think a stronger movement has been built, though, and people understand now.
00:02:38.220 There is an independence movement in Alberta that is strong, it's solid, and it is here to stay,
00:02:43.520 and it's going to keep growing.
00:02:45.000 That's what some people better understand.
00:02:46.640 Some are saying, we can close the door on this.
00:02:48.520 It's all over.
00:02:49.300 Albertans rejected this.
00:02:50.460 Well, hang on.
00:02:51.080 No, one in four Albertans did not.
00:02:53.400 And that number is going to continue to grow if we don't see some systemic change, not
00:02:58.360 just more lip service, not just more talk.
00:03:01.040 Yeah, I agree with you.
00:03:01.920 One in four is not a fringe movement by any stretch.
00:03:05.760 You know, like I described it earlier in my radio show, if you walk into an elevator
00:03:09.200 with seven people in it in Alberta somewhere.
00:03:14.080 The average is the two of them are going to want out.
00:03:17.220 And so that's hardly a fringe movement.
00:03:20.180 That's a serious movement.
00:03:21.320 But it's also a very rural movement, a lot of ranchers.
00:03:25.600 The strong support was in places like Sundry, for instance,
00:03:30.200 where in some places you had a little over 50% of the people
00:03:34.640 uh, rooting for, uh, departure of some kind, separation, independence. It's the people in
00:03:42.020 the cities that you've got to convince. Um, how do you do that? I think we need more depth.
00:03:49.140 Uh, some of it's still just been reactionary. People upset over longstanding grievances.
00:03:53.960 They understand that, but having the longer conversation, we had to, it was difficult as
00:03:59.580 a campaigner. You know, there's a lot of questions. Well, how will you deal with this? How will you
00:04:03.200 deal with that? How do you deal with border crossings? How do you deal with treaties? And
00:04:05.860 they're valid questions. And we had answers for them. But these are the things that it's actually,
00:04:10.960 I think, going to take a growing campaign over time to answer those, have them fully filled out.
00:04:15.300 You know, Quebec, they built a lot of things and documents and did a lot of studies to show
00:04:19.840 this is how we'll replace judges in a new system. This is how the penitentiary system would work in
00:04:25.500 a new nation. We don't have that depth yet. And I think also we don't have central leadership.
00:04:31.660 You know, we had a number of different voices speaking, and when you get mixed messaging, it makes it difficult for people to feel they want to trust their vote on something that important towards it.
00:04:40.860 So I think the movement has established itself well, but it needs to refine itself now and build a more comprehensive package that's going to take some years.
00:04:50.040 It's a long game, but I believe in planning to present to Albertans again some years down the road and having more depth.
00:04:56.800 And that's how you reach some of those urban voters who I think are still supportive, but they're not ready to make that leap quite yet.
00:05:03.240 Well, what about what people like Jason Kenney are saying, which is you lost and give up.
00:05:09.920 They want you to forget, drop the whole idea and move forward with the liberal government in Ottawa, with the provincial government and, you know, just leave behind this whole notion of an independent Alberta.
00:05:27.560 Well, I could offer the same, you know, Mr. Kenny, you lost, you're not a leader anymore. Maybe you should drop those notions of being one in the future and give it up. You know, it's done deal, right? You don't make a second campaign. You don't try again. You don't bring a new message. It's just one and done. That's not the way things work. You know, the NDP lost the last provincial election in Alberta. They didn't fold up tent and leave. They stayed as a party and they're working on their messaging to try and win the next one.
00:05:56.040 Likewise with us. I mean, I think it would be unreasonable. Some people are even pushing for
00:05:59.960 that saying, well, we still got to push for the petitioned question to get on a ballot
00:06:03.960 and hold another referendum. I don't think that would be wise. I think that would be
00:06:08.680 disrespecting the voters. They did kind of make it clear. They weren't even ready to embrace
00:06:12.780 in a majority sense, the soft question. Diving right into the hard question, a binding one would
00:06:18.200 be, I think, ridiculous at this point, but it doesn't mean we stopped pushing forward. It just
00:06:23.580 means we evaluate how we've been doing it and we plan to win later on down the road well what about
00:06:29.120 the idea that you can't win as long as daniel smith an avowed federalist is your premier and
00:06:35.180 leader of the ucp i mean if you listen to people like jeff rath uh there's no point moving forward
00:06:42.900 unless you get rid of her is that your next move is essentially to try and elect a leader because
00:06:49.800 of course the majority of people in the ucp as i understand it support independence or at least
00:06:56.360 option two and so presumably they've got the numbers members of that party have the numbers
00:07:04.200 to make a replacement at the top with somebody who is uh on their side of the independence
00:07:13.320 debate what do you think well i i think it's not being very politically wise
00:07:17.240 If we bring in a party civil war in an election year, which is what this is coming into now, that's going to take a lot of energy and time and so on.
00:07:26.020 And let's say it's successful.
00:07:27.800 Six months later, you've ripped Premier Smith out.
00:07:30.760 Now you spend three more months to get a presumably a separatist premier in, which I agree with the point of view.
00:07:37.200 Now you're going to go to the voters on something that only 24 percent of the province appears to support at this time.
00:07:43.180 And Premier Nenshi will walk his way into that office with such a big grin on his face.
00:07:48.520 We've got to embrace a bit of pragmatism here.
00:07:50.880 We've got to understand.
00:07:53.160 I know people don't like it, a feeling I have to hold my nose and vote for a lesser evil.
00:07:57.340 But I don't want to live for four years under a greater evil.
00:08:00.700 And if you think the independence movement is having a hard time now, let the NDP get in there.
00:08:06.480 There's not going to be another referendum.
00:08:08.020 There's not going to be, you know, that's the sort of government that will chase us down.
00:08:13.180 So I think we've got to think a little harder on it.
00:08:15.380 I mean, Premier Smith has dropped the ball in a number of ways,
00:08:17.960 and I understand the frustration with her, but I'm just not sure
00:08:22.000 if going into attack mode with her, rather than just looking into
00:08:25.100 our own movement to see how we can build it more strongly,
00:08:27.860 which way is better spending our energy right at this point.
00:08:31.520 As I understand it, there are already efforts at the local level,
00:08:35.700 at the party level, to unseat her, as it was the case when
00:08:40.880 Jason Kenney was removed from office. So that's already going on. And so you've raised an
00:08:49.340 interesting point, which is you're getting into an election, which is next year, right? A provincial
00:08:53.940 election? Yeah. Next year. And if you get somebody in there who is sympathetic to the separatist
00:09:01.480 cause, the independence cause, then the election becomes, do you want to stay in Canada or do you
00:09:07.420 want to leave. And that's probably not what the UCP wants. The UCP does not want to go into the
00:09:15.840 next debate. Having seen the results of this referendum, going into the next election,
00:09:22.520 the provincial election, with somebody who's an independence supporter, then it becomes,
00:09:27.580 well, if you vote for this, if you vote UCP this time, that means you're going to have another
00:09:33.340 referendum, and who knows how that'll turn out. So you're right in that sense, but you're at a
00:09:39.360 quandary, aren't you, between the people, the growing animosity towards Danielle Smith within
00:09:46.480 the party, people who want her gone and blame her now, because there's the element of scapegoatism
00:09:52.820 here, saying she's the reason why we lost, meaning the independence side lost, and between the more
00:10:00.820 pragmatic side like you're alluding to, which is, wait a minute, we kind of need her to defeat the
00:10:07.600 NDP next year. I mean, how do you straddle those two logs? Well, she's got a tough task ahead of
00:10:14.620 her. I mean, it's going to be up to the individual constituencies to figure out if that's how they
00:10:18.980 want to go with things. I just feel that it's kind of going backwards. If you build the support
00:10:23.380 that's measurable, don't worry, the politicians will come. You'll have to beat them off with a
00:10:27.280 stick. If they think your movement has a winnable trajectory for them, the leadership will come.
00:10:33.140 They're trying to bring the leadership in when the base of support isn't there yet, which could
00:10:37.000 really, really be problematic. Smith, for her part, then has to throw some bones towards the
00:10:43.740 separatist end. I think one of the things she has to do, we can't forget the other eight questions
00:10:48.100 of which a number of them, she could take action on those very quickly. And I think she should
00:10:53.400 Like, turn the page on that part.
00:10:56.380 Get in and make it so we have to make people present identification to show their citizenship if they vote.
00:11:01.240 Stop giving health care and welfare benefits to people who are temporary visitors in the province.
00:11:07.560 These are things she's been given a mandate for now.
00:11:09.960 If she can show some strength there, she can hopefully maybe keep things moving forward.
00:11:14.620 But if she's still waffling and showing up hand in hand with Mark Carney,
00:11:18.000 which just inflames the independent side of things within her party,
00:11:21.760 then she might be the architect of her own demise too.
00:11:25.060 She's got a very delicate party game to play in this next few months
00:11:28.620 and we'll see what happens.
00:11:30.880 It's interesting you raise the ID element
00:11:34.080 because the federal side may have benefited
00:11:36.760 from kind of loosey-goosey rules.
00:11:39.240 Apparently a gym membership, a club membership
00:11:42.680 could qualify as ID to vote in this referendum.
00:11:48.900 I mean, that's a little bit of a...
00:11:51.400 Well, yeah, and I think it went a bit partisan, but I think if it was just that question alone with people, that would be one of those 80-20 issues.
00:11:59.580 I think most people, even the most on the left, understand it's not unreasonable to ask for proper documentation for somebody to cast a ballot.
00:12:07.680 Somebody needs to prove they're legally able to do so.
00:12:10.820 That's a no-brainer issue she can take on and throw as a win in her pocket.
00:12:15.120 You can get that through the legislature in a couple of weeks, move on with that.
00:12:19.400 Um, likewise with healthcare.
00:12:22.100 I mean, she's demonstrated that we're spending hundreds of millions of
00:12:24.640 dollars on healthcare for people who are temporary students and others on visas
00:12:28.280 that have been abusing those things.
00:12:29.600 Amazing.
00:12:30.560 Just stop it.
00:12:31.280 We don't have to do this.
00:12:32.400 And, and those are the things she can show that she's doing forward
00:12:35.420 momentum, but if it just keeps seeming like it's talk, then people are
00:12:39.700 going to get frustrated and impatient.
00:12:41.440 It's interesting that you also raised the issue of, uh, leadership, you
00:12:45.740 You know, a singular person.
00:12:48.220 What led to the first Quebec referendum was Rene Levesque,
00:12:52.320 who was kind of this left-wing populist guy who, you know,
00:12:56.400 had a lot of support in Quebec.
00:12:59.200 He was this fiery speaker.
00:13:00.740 And so he was the face of the separatist forces, you know, in the 70s.
00:13:08.160 And they ended up losing.
00:13:09.640 And then it didn't happen again until the 90s where you had Parisel.
00:13:12.920 But in each case, you had at least somebody up front making the case for independence who was a politician and who was able to reach crowds and speak through the media and just be a leader and a representative for the PQ.
00:13:31.480 And of course, they've recently won an election, so presumably it's going to happen again.
00:13:36.140 But in the case of Alberta, you don't have that.
00:13:40.560 you don't have the one person who, like a Ralph Klein type, who, as far as I know,
00:13:46.840 was a Federalist, I don't know any more than that in terms of his views about
00:13:51.540 independence, but is there somebody out there in the wings who could be that
00:13:58.020 person, be that guy or gal who is obviously in favor of independence and yet
00:14:03.980 has the charismatic appeal to make a case forcefully and dynamically so that
00:14:10.560 people across the province, even in Edmonton and, you know, other cities would say, yeah,
00:14:16.900 I could follow this guy. I really believe this, this gal, you know, is that person there somewhere
00:14:22.960 and maybe just hasn't been discovered yet? It could be. I think that also that Keith
00:14:28.240 Wilson made a very good showing of himself in this. And you got to remember, he's relatively
00:14:32.520 new to the public scene. So over a bit more time, if that's the path he wants to go as a sole
00:14:38.900 representative, he might evolve into that person where you can just get consistent, smart, level
00:14:44.000 headed messaging, which I think is what people want to see. And, you know, it's different when
00:14:48.180 you get five different voices giving five opinions and so on. We need something that's a little
00:14:52.540 centralized. And if it's not Keith, then perhaps somebody is in the wings we haven't identified yet
00:14:56.940 who's going to come forward. But we do need that. That's another area that has been lacking. We
00:15:00.480 haven't had that, that Rene Levesque or Jacques Perizot or Lucien Bouchard. And it doesn't mean
00:15:06.880 We can't get one though.
00:15:07.840 And I, and again, I think I take more of a line of, if you build it, they will come.
00:15:11.520 If, if we could get a large central organization that's gaining steam, we could identify that
00:15:16.120 person or even a couple of people perhaps, but they can bring that forward a little
00:15:20.040 better than, than we have been so far.
00:15:21.960 Yeah.
00:15:22.760 Corey, how do people find you online?
00:15:25.280 Well, you can find my columns at westernstandard.news and, uh, my shows are on all the social
00:15:31.320 media channels through the, the Western standard channels.
00:15:34.180 All right.
00:15:34.820 Corey Morgan, thank you so much for coming on the show.
00:15:36.880 We appreciate it.
00:15:37.980 Thanks.
00:15:38.380 Good to talk to you, Mark.
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