Juno News - December 01, 2025
Danielle Smith BOOED over Ottawa energy deal
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Pro-independence lawyer and constitutional lawyer J.J. Rath has been a harsh critic of the Energy Accord signed last week between Alberta and the federal government, and he was in attendance at the United Conservative Party Convention in Edmonton on the weekend.
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the mix of jeers and cheers that greeted alberta premier daniel smith at her party convention
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in edmonton on the weekend the united conservative party is frankly not very united over the energy
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accord signed last week between alberta and the federal government premier smith has touted the
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deal as a sign that alberta and the feds can work together much of the crowd however disagreed
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and let her know it as you know i support a strong and sovereign alberta within a united canada i know
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we might have a bit of a difference of opinion on that but i hope people today feel a lot more
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confident than canada works than they did a couple of days ago not a very warm welcome but not to be
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deterred by that reaction smith insisted albertans should not give up on canada especially after
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she gained some concessions from the feds aimed at attracting investment towards alberta's energy
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sector let's listen i know full well that so many of you here today have been justifiably like me
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frustrated and angry with ottawa i get it i get it trust me i get it i hear you we have been abused
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and taken for granted repeatedly over the past decades but my friends let's not throw in the
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towel and give up on our country just as the battle has turned in our favor and victory is in sight
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not what our fellow canadians even those that may support differing political parties are
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nonetheless supporting alberta's vision for a prosperous energy rich nation with strong and
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sovereign provinces building a canada we can be proud of again now is not the time to give up the
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kind of a mixed reaction there pro-independence lawyer jeff rath has been a harsh critic
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of the energy agreement signed last week he was in edmonton for the convention
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and we'll be on hand with his thoughts a few minutes from now well prime minister mark carney could be
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forced to sell off his multi-million dollar stock portfolio the pm's financial holdings have been
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under scrutiny by the commons ethics committee over conflict of interest concerns that story was in
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black locks reporter the ethics committee has recommended closing any loopholes in the conflict
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of interest act that allow carney to keep his stock holdings which are now in a blind trust
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carney has about 10 million dollars or so in stock options with brookfield corporation
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his former employer while there were a few laughs and some playful jabs at the annual press gallery
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dinner in ottawa after cbc poked fun at pierre polyevre the conservative leader proved he could dish
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it up pretty well too let's listen to all the cbc staff who are gathered here today don't believe what
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you hear and by by the way when i speak of cbc staff i'm not just talking about the pmo comm shop
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i'm talking about all of you i never said i was going to shut down the cbc i said i was going to
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defund it which means that we can find some creative funding methods to keep it going like maybe they
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could move their head office to the to a caribbean tax haven so that brookfield could pay for it
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the company might have some spare office space above that bicycle shop in bermuda
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or another revenue source would be for david cochran to start charging for the water he carries for
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the liberal party funny yes but the best humor has more than a kernel of truth in it and joining me now
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is constitutional lawyer jeff brath coming to us from the calgary area welcome jeff oh good morning
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how are you excellent thank you let's talk a little bit about your impressions about what happened
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on the weekend uh you had a mixed bag in terms of your own personal success in your organization
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but we can get to that in a minute but first overall how did you say how would you say that
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it went in terms of putting forward your agenda oh i i don't even think it was a mixed mixed bag so out
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of you know nine positions on the board and of course there's been a lot of propaganda media that's
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come out and have tried to write stories going the other way uh we got five out of nine off of our
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slate were elected so we got a majority of the new board positions um were people that support
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independence like are fervently card carrying app members right and then of the balance of the board
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right there's at least three of them support independence so you know the new directors that
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have uh that have been elected so you know we we think that the weekend was an overwhelming success
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and then of course i kind of had my mic drop moment on um friday night when i went up in front of 4 000
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people uh during a bear pit session where you know we're supposed to be asking questions of the
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premier and i said no no i have a question for the crowd right how many people here after mark
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carney gleefully announced um that the mou for him means a 600 increase in uh industrial carbon tax
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for alberta how many people here in this room you know and then of course everybody starts booing the
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minute you mentioned mark carney which is as it should be in alberta i said how many people in this
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room favor a free and independent alberta stand up right and we got um uh we got over 85 percent of
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the entire agm crowd standing up and cheering and yelling and screaming and applauding for um a free and
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independent alberta so you know that's like apparently that's still making the rounds on uh
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you know on all of the all the media this morning after the agm that's the one big takeaway that
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everybody has from the agm and then uh and then on top of it every time daniel smith mentioned the mou
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she got booed right like and she's you know and she's still immensely popular even amongst our base in
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alberta but she's got to realize that every time she trotted out her stupid slogan that drives
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so triggering to so many of us you know who was strong alberta within the united canada
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every time she trotted out that stupid slogan she got booed right like that's not where albertans are
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at so i mean it was really clear from you know the agm this weekend that you know that we're winning
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the battle you know the the independent movement has won the battle for the hearts and minds of of
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of the ucp and the hearts and minds of alberta right we're you know we're rocking and rolling
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and the federalist forces around danielle are in a complete or in complete disarray you know trying
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to figure out you know what they're going to try to do next did i did i hear you say that the pro
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independence people are majority on the board right now i thought they were yeah yeah absolutely they're
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a majority is that right and and on top of it we picked up just off of our slate you know we picked
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up a clear majority of the new directors uh that were running we didn't get a sweep i mean rob smith
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you know but i mean the president of the ucp rob smith he's pro-independence he's just he's just very
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concerned about not splitting the party on the issue right and uh you know there's other new directors
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you know that were elected um you know that are pro-independence and even though and i'm telling you
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the forces of federalism or even more importantly what i would call the forces of crony capitalism in
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alberta spent well over a million dollars to get get out the vote um to make sure that we didn't get
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anybody elected and we got five out of nine elected and for us i mean i was actually just talking to
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gerald comic was the candidate that was running uh you know for us uh on the end you know on the
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independence ticket and uh who lost to rob smith i mean rob smith is immensely popular i like rob i mean
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he's a great guy i mean he just screwed us on the whole uh you know having a debate on independence
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at the agm thing so you know we thought oh okay well if you're not gonna you know if you're not gonna
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support us the way you said that you were going to you know we need a new candidate but i mean rob's
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so immensely popular um you know and he's a really personable guy i mean we'll still work with rob
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we like rob right he's a good guy you know like um you know but rob is pro-independence right so it's
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just a question of how and when we get there as far as rob is concerned right my understanding
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my understanding jeff is that something like 10 out of the 17 ucp board members have sided with
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the premier who of course no that's that's oh yeah but again we picked up votes right so you know at
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this agm and we got you know we had a majority of the new directors elected right so and then the
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question is okay they might be siding with the premier there's lots of things that i side with
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the premier on right you know she let's face it she threw a lot of red meat to the base this weekend
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right so you know there's a lot of things that we agree with uh you know our movement agrees with
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the premier on she's again she's she's very popular within our base there's no denying that
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i personally like her on a personal basis i think on certain policy issues like the mou with carny
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she's out to lunch right like the financial post has already said it's going to add you know six
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to ten dollars a barrel to the price of oil production in alberta well how can you sell
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that as being positive she might interpret the agreement one way her response to me was to engage
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in a little bit of tax explaining you know to the people you know this is what the carbon tax is and
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this is what mark carney was trying to say well what mark carney actually said was that he was
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gleeful about the fact that he got danielle smith to agree to a six times increase in the industrial
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carbon tax so she can interpret it however she wants but come april 1st there's not going to be
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much of a negotiation if mark carney says well you already agreed to a 600 increase in the carbon tax
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that's not open for negotiation because how am i going to pay for everything that i committed canada to
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you know including the electric choo-choo train from toronto to montreal the 200 billion dollars in
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defense spending going to europe and all this other stuff if he doesn't start throttling the
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goose that lays the golden eggs and slapping a massive 600 carbon tax increase on alberta
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right and even if you only increase the carbon tax from let's say 90 which it currently is to 130
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right that's a 50 increase in the carbon tax right so you know what i was telling people on the weekend
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about the you know about this whole you know carbon tax issue and danielle's tax planning
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you know it stopped pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining now she did get like nobody's
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buying it and she got that message loud and clear this weekend she did put out some things that got
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some cheers though you know with the castle law and the gun gun control thing we have our issues with
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it because she's effectively said and again this is against advice of people that really know firearms
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myself included right um so a bunch of us got together over the summer and we drafted an alberta
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firearms licensing regulation that would completely fix the problem and we explicitly told her that simply
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telling people that you're not going to enforce federal law in alberta and you're going to tell
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the crown prosecutors not to do it and the rcmp not to do it and on and on and on as you know we've
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told her that doesn't help us right because effectively once the amnesty period runs out all of the people
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in alberta that have pals and our pals that have their non-restricted weapons you know um uh elevated to
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prohibited weapons if they don't turn those firearms in their names are going to be on a list right
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ottawa knows where all these guns are because of the registry and certainly because of the restricted
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to prohibited weapons those weapons are all registered right on the you know on the restricted
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weapons list so you don't get arrested in alberta but if you want to holiday to the states or wherever
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and come back you can be arrested by canada customs if you go to bc or saskatchewan you can be arrested
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in those jurisdictions so she's effectively turning a whole bunch of albertans into criminals because she
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doesn't want to offend her new buddy mark carney by going head to head with him um you know on this
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issue by simply putting in her own alberta firearms license and daring carney to take her to court in
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alberta which is what we've asked her to do but she's liking the football a little bit coming out of
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this suggesting that she won over the crowd on at least some of the things that she brought forward
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do you think that the membership might be ready to give her the benefit of the doubt for now
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not on the not on the mou thing there's too many people in this province that make their living in
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and around the oil and gas industry and then there's too many of us that actually understand
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you know the gun you know firearms laws and what it means you know for albertans to be turned into
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criminals you know effectively she's saying you know oh it's okay you guys can all become heroin users
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but don't worry we're not going to enforce the law that's effectively what she's telling everybody
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right but this is different this is prohibited firearms right so you know and this whole castle
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law thing you know the only way that danielle's ever going to have control over the criminal law in
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alberta is in a free and independent alberta you can't tell me that if somebody breaks into your home
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and you shoot them with a handgun because danielle said it's okay the rcmp aren't going to seize that
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handgun then search your house for every other weapon that's been elevated from restricted or
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non-restricted to prohibited seize all your prohibited weapons and charge you you can't tell
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me that's not going to happen so you know she just gave 4000 albertans some really really really bad
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legal advice and you know you know so much so i mean i've got to sit down and actually write something
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about it and get it published and talk to people about it so we can get her to understand that if she
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really cared about her base and cared about firearms she would start issuing provincial licenses as we
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asked her to do because then we'd have a color of right defense it's like no i'm not in possession
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you know of an illegal prohibited weapon the province has jurisdiction under 92 13 exclusive
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jurisdiction over property and civil rights and here's my provincial license saying that i can own
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and utilize these firearms anywhere in the province that it's safe to do so that's the answer not this
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stupid oh don't worry about the federal criminal law you know you can be criminals and we won't
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prosecute you i mean you know i mean for those of us that are doctors lawyers engineers we have
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professional associations like you know we can't afford to be criminalized you know and we told this
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to danielle over the summer it's just you know again it's you know the people around her i mean these
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are the same people that are so dumb that they thought that mou was a good deal right because seriously i
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mean think about it carney doesn't have the votes like he can't get the tanker ban overturned in
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parliament the bloc will never do it the ndp won't do it elizabeth may won't do it right and you know
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and the question is you know will the conservatives vote with carney to save his ass on this thing
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that's an open question right same thing with the uh you know lifting the emissions cap danielle's
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talking about like that that like it's a done deal right well again you got to pass it in parliament
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partly carney has a fractured uh a fractured caucus now over this issue right and in fact i don't know
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if you saw it the other day i put i posted on my twitter account but um the uh uh federal environment
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minister responding to stefan gibault who said you know is very upset about danielle going out in public
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and saying that the uh the clean electricity regulations are now gone right the minister of
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environment said oh no they're not you know alberta has to show us that they have a viable alternative
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that's going to reduce as much carbon before we free up their electricity markets so you know danielle's
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telling everybody all of this stuff that you know that she says is true and all these wonderful things
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that she claims that she got over this mou and as quick as she opens her mouth cabinet ministers that
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are responsible for the federal side of this deal are saying that she's looney tunes right like so tell
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me what kind of agreement they have right yeah and it seems every time david eby the premier of bc opens
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his mouth he makes matters worse because and he came out and said well we might be okay with a pipeline
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through northern bc as long as you don't lift the the ban on tanker traffic so right so how do you
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how do you get funding for a pipeline if you can if you've got no ships to load the oil into at the
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other end of the pipeline right like i guess maybe it's the americans to do it it's the americans the
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whole thing is the whole thing is ludicrous and i mean you know danielle you know and her people are
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really um really mad at me today because i guess last week on a podcast i had a very unfortunate
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choice of words i said that this whole mou and what went on with mark carney made danielle look
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like a real putz and i guess the word putz made people really really angry i need to find a more
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polite of course friends know that know that she's been hoodwinked i mean she's been absolutely hoodwinked
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by the federal liberals and you know and she's running around you know like yay major victory for
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alberta so let's just recap so 600 increase in carbon tax ten dollars a barrel on the cost of
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production of what's already the most expensive oil in the world and a 50 billion dollar carbon
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sucking machine you know that nobody wants right so how is that a major victory when all of the stuff
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you've got to cut a deal with the indigenous people you've got to get bc on side so there's
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still plenty of hurdles there and also the timetable i guess pushed out potentially to 2040. oh yeah
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that was oh sorry that's the punchline to the whole thing and boys and girls in alberta you know if
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you're really really good boys and girls and you behave yourselves the way that the federal liberals
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in ottawa want you to behave if you're really really good boys and girls and continue kowtowing to
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us the way you're supposed to maybe maybe not for sure but maybe by 2040 if your good children will
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let you have a pipeline i mean this is the most ridiculous deal that anybody has ever put pen to
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you know and the people that advise danielle on this every single one of them should be ashamed of
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themselves right but again you know these are the same people that have advised danielle to criminalize
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alberta gun owners like they all think that they they just think they're so clever and they're so smart
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when really they're the dumbest people on the planet but but danielle smith herself is no dummy
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and she thinks it's it's a good deal yeah but she gets she's fed sound bites right like her stupid
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slogan you know strong alberta within a united canada that's not a policy it's a slogan
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right and she just keeps repeating it over and over and over again because people tell her to
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you know um you know i had i was having a chat the other day with uh um her communications director
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you know when we're talking about the referendum question and he's going well jeff you know the
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reason that you're in court right now is because you guys are asking a bad question and i'm like matt
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like stop pretending you know what you're talking about okay the question we're asking complies
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directly with section one sub three of the clarity act which is you know the necessary first step for
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taking alberta out of canada you know it's not a bad question the fact that you guys put a provision in
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the act that allows you know the uh electoral officer to tie people up in court by you know
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um referring good questions to the court for review is on you guys like we didn't draft a bad question
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you guys drafted bad legislation right that's what we're dealing with i mean these people are too clever
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by half i mean yeah if you assume that a good chunk of those who do not vote ucp are pro remaining in
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canada then you've got to get a huge majority of the people inside the ucp to vote in favor well if
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you go back and go back and replay that clip from friday night we had 85 of that room standing on their
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feet and cheering for independence right how indicative do you think that was of the total
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membership oh i i think it's completely representative of the total membership
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right you know and again you know just because we didn't get 100 of our slate there i mean the forces
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of federalism and the forces of and for us this whole thing was a really really good learning exercise
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actually i'm glad you've asked this question right because you know we learned that you know like
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we've got to make sure that things are too big to rig you know going forward like i understand from
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talking to people that were involved in this that the the forces of you know of federalism and this
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pro status quo people that want to make sure that danielle keeps control doesn't prevent us from getting
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a super majority on the board they spent well over a million dollars right campaigning for danielle's
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slate that's never happened before in an agm and like you know like you know the people that
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literally you know can fly you know danielle staffers around on private jets and have hundreds
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of millions of dollars you know sell hundreds of millions of dollars and bad ppe to the government
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of alberta on sole source contracts and all you know all of those things they were spending hundreds
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of thousands of dollars to make sure that there's no shake-up in and around the premier's office
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because they make hundreds of millions of dollars out of it as part of their business model right so
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we learned something we learned something really valuable and that's that we have to be more organized
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we have to be prepared to outspend these people so we're going to start you know redoubling our
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efforts on on fundraising and you know and we're going to get even more organized than we are so
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you know as far as it goes i mean we kind of look at this whole thing as almost like a tabletop exercise
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but in real time where we're in the belly of the beast as it were um and we still managed to get a
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majority of our slate elected so you know in the face of overwhelming money being spent to you know to
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destroy us we weren't spending any money so you're you were out by a huge margin and that's the reason
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why the uh the independent side didn't get more we didn't get the clean slate what what was going on
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and i think it's really sleazy to be honest is that uh when they realized after friday night um the amount
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of support we had in that room and i guess so it's kind of almost my fault when they saw the amount of
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overwhelming support for independence in the room they all freaked out and started you know basically
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hitting all of their phone trees and then telling everybody you got to get here danielle's going to
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lose control of the board and we promise if you show up you know we'll pay you know we'll pay your
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way into the agm because it's a 400 ticket right and so all you know all we had over 500 walk-ins
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um on saturday morning right to swamp the vote and i mean there's a lot of money spent to swamp the vote
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right so you know and that and that's why we scared you know we scared the crap out of them
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friday night and uh you know and the empire struck back right it was you know like i wrote a column
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a couple weeks ago kind of tug and cheap called the revenge of the smith and it was kind of like that
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they brought in their death star and did what we expect the evil empire you know the evil empire to
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do right okay what's the next step jeff uh last question where do you go from here well we just
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keep working forward we continue to get better organized we're going to you know we're continuing
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to have uh town halls across alberta we're going to accelerate the pace of the town halls across the
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province of alberta um we're planning on having you know whether it's the saddle dome or the jubilee
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auditorium or max bell we're going to have a you know at least a four or five thousand person rally in uh
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uh indoors in calgary in january or february um you know and we're going to keep pushing it forward
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and then we're going to have you know we'll have another rally uh at the legislature in the spring
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when the when the weather gets nice so we don't get uh people having frostbite to come and cheer on
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an independent alberta and we're just going to keep rocking and rolling and moving it forward you
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know we're going to keep speaking truth to power and uh and we're going to keep convincing
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the powers that be that if they want to stay in power they've got to embrace independence and
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they've got to uh you know they've got to they've got to take the bull by the horns as it were and
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come along with us are you going to try to push out danielle i mean no i mean we love danielle honestly
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we all do i mean in my heart of hearts i'd love to see danielle you know lead us into a you know into
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a free and independent alberta am i critical of her do i you know do i try to speak the truth to
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her and tell her that she's getting bad advice on a regular basis sure do i sometimes state
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things or you know too strongly absolutely it's my personality i know i'm an asshole it's my fault
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right i mean it's it's just what it is i need to temper that somewhat and uh you know and i think
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be a bit more circumspect you know in terms of you know my messaging my opinions but you know am i
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going to stop criticizing danielle for bad policies that hurt alberta no of course not i see that as
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you know i i see that as important in in terms of our movement but you know i mean those are the
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things that will you know we'll keep moving forward and uh um you know as well as you know
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trying to support danielle where we can she's done a lot of great things i mean we're all very happy
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about you know getting all of the ndp gay pornography out of our school libraries um you know making sure
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that parents are advised that their kid you know their children you know are experiencing mental health
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issues and making sure parents are part of the solution and not assumed to be part of the problem
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because the ndp and all those supporters think that by definition you know every so-called cisgendered
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couple hates you know you know hates the fact that their children you know might uh you know might be
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gay which is nonsense right um you know so you know yeah do we support danielle and all those things
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of course we do you know and you know and we love her for standing up for it we just want to see her
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stand up stronger on more issues right like you know do we want a public inquiry into the
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covid vaccines of course we do right and but of course all of her all of her people and people
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that support her are hiding hiding under the desk because they still don't want the truth to come out
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you know she her people still don't want to compensate all of the businesses in alberta that
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they illegally shut down during covet and the courts have said that they've illegally shut down those
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businesses and they're doing nothing about it so am i going to continue to advocate for those issues
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of course i am right but you know it's not out of animosity towards danielle i said you know i
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admire and respect danielle all right jeff thank you so much for coming on the show appreciate it
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sure all right thank you i appreciate it all right and that is it for this edition of straight up
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appreciate you tuning in my friends let's do it again soon shall we bye-bye for now