Juno News - August 27, 2026


Doug Ford BACKS DOWN after calling Trump a “loser”


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00:00:00.000 Well, Ottawa is retaliating against U.S. tariffs with counter-tariffs on almost $28 billion worth
00:00:12.200 of U.S. imports. They will take effect against metals, seafood, home appliances, electronic
00:00:20.660 devices, among other products. Meantime, President Trump is accusing Prime Minister Kearney of
00:00:26.400 lying about why Canada walked away from a proposed trade deal last weekend.
00:00:33.960 Carney says Canadian culture, even the French language, came under attack from U.S. negotiators.
00:00:41.340 Trump said Carney was lying in order to score political points in Quebec.
00:00:46.240 Trump also threatened to change the name of Lake Ontario.
00:00:50.420 He posted this on Truth Social.
00:00:52.220 The United States is giving serious consideration to changing the name of Lake Ontario to Lake America
00:00:58.960 in that we don't expect to be doing much business with Ontario anytime soon, any longer.
00:01:06.800 Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump.
00:01:10.980 Trump has already changed the name of the Gulf of Mexico.
00:01:14.120 Our guest today is Toronto Sun columnist Joe Warmington, who posted this, or reposted it rather,
00:01:22.220 The Premier, Doug Ford, sounding a lot more subdued today with CNN than he did yesterday.
00:01:29.240 Well, things got a little heated.
00:01:30.800 It got a little personal yesterday between the president and myself.
00:01:34.600 But I want to make a deal, a good deal for the American people, a good deal for the Canadians.
00:01:40.200 And we're the two greatest countries in the world.
00:01:42.680 We're each other's number one customer.
00:01:44.840 And it's time to get back to the table and let's negotiate a fair deal
00:01:49.800 because it's hurting the U.S., it's hurting Canada,
00:01:54.260 and we just want to make sure that we have a fair deal. 1.00
00:01:59.600 Well, Joe, I mean, you have to jump to Trump to kiss his ass. 1.00
00:02:03.920 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:02:04.800 Now we're good buddies and we need to get back to that. 1.00
00:02:07.520 He's kissing his ass now, right? 1.00
00:02:09.480 What a difference a day makes. 1.00
00:02:11.660 What happened?
00:02:13.160 I guess someone had a little chat with Doug.
00:02:16.240 um you know maybe he didn't like the whole idea of lake ontario becoming lake america 0.75
00:02:21.940 uh that is pathetic i mean like you talk about someone that's just lost and blinked uh he started 0.88
00:02:30.960 uh just just horrible there uh trump will laugh his head off because he watches uh wolf blitzer 0.93
00:02:37.000 and uh you know i mean sometimes when you're a tough guy like he tried to be yesterday and then
00:02:44.360 you turn around like that the next day there's no point in doing it the cat's already out of the
00:02:48.900 bag you might as well take it for a spin um so anyway that that's hilarious yeah i don't know
00:02:54.980 whether carney got to him or whether he just lost his nerve but uh you know i think i think the
00:03:00.900 reality of it is that what premier doug ford did was he did something for his own ego and his own
00:03:07.540 ratings and things like that and he forgot about the 15 or 16 million ontarians that are sitting
00:03:13.540 here going to take the brunt of this i mean uh this was a unprecedented approach i don't think 1.00
00:03:21.060 that's ever worked in any negotiation he did telling someone to kiss your butt calling loser 0.98
00:03:27.140 and you know many other things let alone to trump who you know this strategy that he's that 0.97
00:03:33.500 doug ford has tried hasn't worked yet and i don't think it's going to work now and i think he finally
00:03:38.260 realizes that well he's doubled and tripled down on the same threat and now of course there was the
00:03:43.880 electricity threat which he's made before and then pulled back on that then yesterday there was 1.00
00:03:50.020 uh him calling trump a loser telling him to kiss his ass just schoolyard stuff and today of course 0.99
00:03:58.140 there was this post by the president who talked about to your point and by the way you can check 0.99
00:04:04.760 out joe's great story in the pages of the toronto sun of this idea of changing the name lake ontario
00:04:11.400 to lake america but he also says something else he says uh we don't expect to be doing much business
00:04:19.800 with ontario any longer i think that should get the attention of people in ontario i mean attention
00:04:29.560 i mean it got his attention you can see that the clip i mean suddenly someone says fine you don't
00:04:34.200 don't want to deal with us i mean it's only 500 billion dollars in trade every year yeah so i 0.95
00:04:40.800 mean it's just a stupid thing that that doug did i mean he could have said all the same things 0.98
00:04:44.860 without making it really personal like he did and you know the president did the same thing by 0.99
00:04:50.100 bringing up his dead brother the late great uh mayor rob ford that was pretty personal and low
00:04:56.480 too uh you know i don't think that that's necessary but you know what uh when you're in a street fight
00:05:01.960 you're in a street fight and when you're in a champ like trump uh you got to know that that
00:05:07.100 you're going to get your head knocked off i mean no one's beat him yet and so that's really
00:05:11.160 something else uh the the thing with the lake mark is just priceless because of the gulf of 0.97
00:05:16.880 america so you know that trump's not kidding around but i sent over a graphic there uh now
00:05:23.160 we found a trump lake in northern ontario up near sudbury so maybe uh i don't think trump even knew
00:05:31.700 know it exists. Maybe we've got to change that name as well if we're going to be doing this kind
00:05:37.160 of escalation. And of course, we also have the counter tariffs that were levied, announced today
00:05:43.840 by the prime minister. They're supposed to take effect on September the 8th. Meantime, you've got
00:05:49.880 all this French stuff out of Quebec and the idea that somehow the negotiators on the U.S. side were
00:05:56.520 threatening Canadian culture, Canadian sovereignty, and even the use of the French language,
00:06:02.220 which Trump and others, including Jameson Greer, have just called absolutely false and completely 1.00
00:06:10.020 stupid. And in Trump's language, Trump's words, he just said it was stupid. Why? We wouldn't do 1.00
00:06:16.240 anything like that. We have no interest in preventing the use of French. Jameson Greer 0.65
00:06:22.720 was saying he speaks French. Two of his kids speak French. One of them was born in France.
00:06:28.600 And so none of this makes sense. And considering what happened with the lie about the bridge
00:06:35.460 and the revenue split between Canada and the United States, how that was going to work,
00:06:41.600 the fact that Carney was dishonest about that with Canadians, you know, I think it's put,
00:06:46.380 unfortunately, a doubt in many people's heads about what really happened here, because I'm not
00:06:52.220 sure we can take Carney at his word anymore after that fiasco involving the Gordie Howe Bridge.
00:06:58.260 What do you think? I think you're right. And I didn't take him seriously. And when he did his
00:07:02.960 speech the other day, when he talked about the way that we're going to take this fight, I noticed
00:07:08.340 there's seven or eight things that didn't really add up. The one key thing, though, as a reporter
00:07:12.560 is that you ask for to say, look, let's see the documents. Let's have a look at this and see it
00:07:17.840 because you are dealing with negotiators and in negotiations there's always truce and someone
00:07:23.360 else's truth and these kinds of things but they won't provide any of that mark so you get to
00:07:27.520 just listen to them and you see the paid for media the cbc ctv and all the rest of them
00:07:33.560 going on about what you must support uh this whole thing based on what you don't get to look at it
00:07:40.080 you know what we're supposed to do in our business is to be semi-neutral obviously we're pro canada
00:07:46.040 we want the best for Ontario, at least I do, but not to a point where I'm not going to at least ask
00:07:52.220 some questions to say, well, what is this all about? What does it mean? And what happened there
00:07:57.000 with the Gordie Howe Bridge and how you've allegedly misconstrued the details according
00:08:03.880 to what the Americans are saying? We don't have any way to vet any of that. Look, it comes down
00:08:09.640 to this um you know if you're a jim beam or or jack daniels or any of these great companies you
00:08:15.900 know woodford reserve or the california wines all these kind of great products and you tell them
00:08:21.340 look you got to put this french packaging on it's going to cost you billions of dollars to do it
00:08:25.420 uh someone's got to say look we don't need that the french uh consumer of these things in quebec
00:08:31.480 or in parts of manitoba ontario don't really need that this kind of supply management um
00:08:37.700 sovereignty management all that kind of stuff is madness america doesn't do that you know they've
00:08:43.140 got people that speak all kinds of languages in the country but english is your language now we
00:08:47.200 have french and english as our main you know our two official languages and we respect that here
00:08:53.260 but there's no way that importers should be saddled with extra burdens uh to satisfy that on
00:08:59.900 products uh and so if that's what it's about again we don't know completely that's one of the things
00:09:05.200 we've heard that is kind of dumb and that's no reason to end up costing hundreds of thousands
00:09:10.880 of jobs which is what they're playing around with here with all this nonsense yeah i mean 0.97
00:09:16.080 the americans are starting to get attuned to canadian politics because you had jameson greer
00:09:20.800 saying that this was a product of uh carney trying to whip up support in uh back ahead of the by
00:09:30.480 elections. There's three by-elections on August the 31st. One of them is in Quebec, in Chicoutimi.
00:09:36.120 And so the Americans are starting to look a little deeper into what's going on here domestically and
00:09:41.740 saying, oh, that makes sense. We'll whip up some anti-Trump sentiment, tell Quebecers that he's
00:09:48.720 going to defend the French language in Quebec ahead of that by-elections so he can win in
00:09:53.240 and they know about it they you know they're past masters at this kind of politics and the other
00:10:00.780 surprising thing is that pierre pauliav the leader of the opposition conservative leader
00:10:04.800 i mean he's basically you know been neutered in this whole thing again i mean i don't know how
00:10:09.660 many times this has happened to this man why doesn't he realize that this hasn't worked i
00:10:14.520 mean just can't cheerlead the liberals you need to stand up and say no tell wab canoe the premier 0.97
00:10:19.800 you shut up you don't speak for anybody shut up doug stick to ontario and your battery deals and 0.97
00:10:29.300 all that stuff and we'll do the national and the international stuff and then you know again paul 0.99
00:10:34.740 f could say to carney look uh you you have a very razor thin majority you've done it by you know
00:10:41.540 basically buying off people getting people to leave all these things it's not legitimate call
00:10:45.920 at a bloody election you're going to change the whole trajectory of the country and the economics
00:10:51.480 of the country we have to go now to the voters that's what he's supposed to do in that job in
00:10:56.980 the opposite not supposed to cheerlead them and not supposed to be quiet about it who cares what
00:11:01.420 cbc thinks who cares what andrew coin thinks the reality of is you need to be independent
00:11:06.620 and independence requires some guts and i don't see a lot of that here in canada i see some of it
00:11:13.200 amongst the audience i see it certainly with rebel and i see it certainly with your great station
00:11:17.600 juno thank you and yourself um you know that's about it and obviously the toronto sun too
00:11:22.960 has taken a very critical view of this thing and again it's not to say anybody's anti uh carney or
00:11:29.680 anti trump or or or anti uh ford or canoe we call it as we see it and if we don't do that
00:11:36.320 we're gonna end up with as a frozen landscape with no not building any cars have nowhere to sell our 0.56
00:11:41.760 steel it'll basically be controlled by the whims of china and and places like that uh this is a 0.99
00:11:49.520 serious problem we've got to take it seriously or we're going to end up you know basically like
00:11:54.400 venezuela but a lot colder well i think polyev's position is let's see the deal that you walked
00:12:00.160 away from and let's recall parliament which i think are pretty good ideas but obviously
00:12:06.640 he was too late with it mark he said that we all said that uh but no look at i'm not here to beat
00:12:15.420 up paulia but i'm just reminding him uh him and the country that he is the leader of the opposition
00:12:21.420 and so when cbc or the global mail or andrew coin or somebody like that says you were either with
00:12:27.660 the prime minister or you're not a canadian he needs to get up and say look you don't define
00:12:33.440 what a canadian is a canadian somebody likes to have a job a home of retirement raise their kids
00:12:39.360 in a safe environment and that's what we're focused on and he's good at it but yet for some
00:12:45.300 reason he's hesitant because he looks at these polls he's got all these guys like cory tonight
00:12:50.340 and the rest who we both have worked with and worked for yes uh over the years you know they're
00:12:55.560 all lobbyists they're all there's they've got skin in the game none of them including carney
00:13:00.560 ever outline what their american investments are you know they're talking about basically pulling
00:13:06.400 back on the deals with america but they don't put out for everyone to see what do they have their
00:13:11.940 uh you know their stocks and bonds and all that in where are their investments why did carney move
00:13:17.620 brookfield over to new york city as its headquarters yeah and you know no one talks about
00:13:24.140 that i mean that's our job and i think we do that uh it doesn't mean that it's not personal
00:13:29.700 I think that's the big story here, is how personal they made it.
00:13:33.500 It was Ford first.
00:13:35.280 I mean, I don't think Trump had ever mentioned Ford before.
00:13:37.500 I don't think he really even knew who he was.
00:13:39.020 No, he didn't.
00:13:39.700 He's never, we spoke about this yesterday, he's never mentioned Ford in the past.
00:13:43.940 This was the first time he directly mentioned Ford, and then went on to mention his brother.
00:13:48.980 Getting back to Ford, on the matter of why he toned his rhetoric down, I mean, there
00:13:55.540 may be a lot of companies in Ontario now very nervous about this anti-American stuff coming
00:14:00.820 out of Ford. You expect better from your premier. You expect a higher level of somebody who can
00:14:07.820 stand back and say, no, we're not going to get into the dirt, get into the mud. Well, now you're
00:14:13.420 talking about companies like Toyota looking at this stuff. And of course, the tariffs and thinking,
00:14:20.480 I'm not sure we can continue to run our manufacturing operation here. Makes no sense.
00:14:26.440 Not only do we have to deal with the tariffs, but we have to deal with the acrimony coming
00:14:30.340 from our provincial government. So that may be a factor as well. I mean, isn't it possible that
00:14:36.860 he's hearing from companies saying, you know what, if you don't shut the hell up about this stuff and 1.00
00:14:41.100 stop telling the president of the United States to kiss your ass, we're going to leave. We're 1.00
00:14:45.880 going to run our operation in america where we're selling you know we're selling our products to the
00:14:51.500 americans move our operation to the united states what say you well it's already happening it's
00:15:00.040 happening today it is and uh it's absolutely you're 100 right mark and look at um he had no
00:15:06.500 business saying what he said there was no reason to be so mean like that he's the king of the walk
00:15:12.820 back i mean he does it all the time whether it's the green belt or when he was a counselor he had
00:15:17.820 a big fight with chief phil blair in toronto and he had to walk back what he said there and
00:15:23.560 pay a thousand dollars to charity so you know what uh i mean look at uh there's a lot of things
00:15:30.480 about doug that are kind of uh you know likable and we all know him and things like that but is
00:15:36.200 he the guy that you want deciding your future for your children i mean clearly not clearly not i
00:15:43.380 mean you can't talk to the president united states the way he did he could have said all the same
00:15:47.400 things without making it personal and and he made it like it's the most uh you know uh sort of uh
00:15:55.460 i don't know jacked up kind of a attack i've ever seen in politics really i yeah other than that
00:16:01.240 i agree also schoolyard stuff you know drop the gloves on the ice and you know get scrappy and
00:16:08.280 stuff like that but you know there is an element of decorum that has to come in and if the other guy
00:16:13.120 you know is not showing much class then you know you set the example you know you take the high
00:16:20.040 road but i don't think doug ford is even capable of that last word to you joe well i think the the
00:16:26.540 main thing that i think about right now is to get these parties back to the negotiating table
00:16:32.660 uh it's not going to be very hard to do the reality of it is that you know they're two
00:16:37.940 great countries they've found a way to make it work for a long time you know canada is kind of
00:16:43.720 very very fortunate to have lived next to the u.s i mean that's the way it's situated and it's
00:16:50.120 but it is the golden goose and the golden goose is saying hey uh we're not going to give you as
00:16:54.500 many eggs so you got to turn and say okay well let's let's negotiate how many eggs we get as
00:16:59.420 opposed to saying let's kill the golden goose what these guys tried to do is killed the golden goose
00:17:03.860 and they're going to pay for it and none of them are power carny forward any of them if people
00:17:08.800 can't turn on you know their their cars because there's no gas or there's no jobs and all that
00:17:13.860 stuff they'll they'll be gone wait for that joe warmington thank you so much for coming on the
00:17:19.200 show great pleasure as always thank you with the toronto sun you can check out his story today
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