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In this episode, I sit down with philosopher, philosopher, and philosopher-turned-activist, Dr. Andrew Keenan, to discuss his new book, "S suicidal empathy" and how it can be applied to Canadian society.

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00:00:00.000 and so i i mean as a society like how do we deal with that right because it seems to me that you
00:00:04.800 people are pretty tribal and we you know we probably adapted to be empathetic to our own
00:00:09.760 tribe in today's day and age with sort of like open borders and in like a culture like canada
00:00:14.640 that's you know we pride ourselves on diversity uh it's it's hard to even be able to tell the
00:00:19.920 difference between like who you should be empathetic towards who you should be protective
00:00:23.840 towards and and who you shouldn't right and and it seems to me that canada really has sort of like
00:00:30.480 lost its way so like like what are your what would your recommendations be or what how should we take
00:00:35.600 this information well there's a classic uh task that you often use when you're studying how people
00:00:44.640 engage in these sort of moral trade-offs it's called the trolley problem in experimental
00:00:49.760 philosophy right if a trolley is coming down on these tracks and it's about to hurl into your
00:00:56.060 three biological children's or you could pull a lever and then it could be diverted and kill
00:01:00.660 five random strangers what should you do now of course in a perfect world you would want to save
00:01:07.040 everybody but we are endowed as i mentioned earlier with an evolutionary calculus that
00:01:12.680 causes us to have to engage in trade-offs and pros and cons uh so to your point about
00:01:18.740 you know we're tribal and we should accordingly met our investments in the appropriate evolutionary
00:01:24.500 relevant way it it makes perfect sense if you asked most people would you rather jump in front
00:01:30.200 of a bus to save your three biological children or five random strangers most people would say
00:01:35.960 no sign me up for me to die for my biological children that's because evolution has endowed us
00:01:41.760 with that behavioral cognitive and emotional system of course uh carney mentioned that 0.61
00:01:47.480 you know, there is no Canadian values or Islamic values, that's precisely the reflex they're going
00:01:53.380 for, which is we no longer abide by these nativists, they didn't say the term evolutionary,
00:02:00.420 but these evolutionary imperatives, we rise above it. We're a global village. We love everybody
00:02:06.500 equally. All immigrants are equally likely to assimilate. Well, the average three-day-old
00:02:11.840 pigeon knows that to not be true to be false but yet it is much kinder and more empathetic of us
00:02:19.400 to argue that every immigrant is equally likely to live out the Canadian experience you know 1.00
00:02:26.580 and fully flourish well that can't be right because when immigrants come some come with values 1.00
00:02:33.480 that are consistent with those of Canada others come with values that couldn't be more antithetical 1.00
00:02:41.120 and incongruent with Canadian values.
00:02:42.960 And the inability to make that distinction
00:02:46.100 is precisely what suicidal empathy looks like.