Juno News - October 20, 2026


Hockey star Theo Fleury WARNS Ottawa will IGNORE Alberta’s push for independence

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00:00:00.000 Well, it's been a large turnout so far in terms of voters taking part in the Alberta
00:00:09.920 Referendum.
00:00:11.240 It drew almost 175,000 ballots in the advanced polls, and that's just in the first day.
00:00:17.560 The most important question on the ballot is whether to hold a second binding referendum
00:00:22.120 on independence for Alberta.
00:00:24.680 Former Calgary Flames' great and Canadian Olympian Theo Fleury has made no secret of
00:00:29.520 which side he's on, the pro-independence side. Let's have a look at one of his recent tweets.
00:00:36.500 Let me spell out what a stay vote really means. It won't be read as Albertans are happy. It'll
00:00:42.700 be read as permission, permission to keep doing everything they've been doing, only worse because
00:00:48.960 the only province with the spine to push back has just folded. Our guest today is Theo Fleury.
00:00:55.140 Welcome to the show, sir. Thanks, Mark. Good to see you again.
00:00:58.300 Good to see you as well. Have you voted yet?
00:01:01.880 I'm going to probably go either tonight or tomorrow.
00:01:04.880 Is there any doubt which side you're going to support?
00:01:08.500 Yeah, well, I'm only answering one question, and that's the meeting to get to the next meeting, to get to the next meeting, to get to the next meeting. 0.96
00:01:19.080 So, yeah, ridiculous.
00:01:20.480 us well it sounds like you're not too confident this thing's ever going to happen um but you're 0.92
00:01:27.740 going ahead with it in terms of voting for option two correct yeah well there's there's no possible
00:01:34.000 way that uh ottawa is going to allow us to get to the next step so you know but i'll go vote you
00:01:42.160 know because it's my right and uh you know we'll see what happens well how are they going to prevent
00:01:47.820 I mean, if the majority of Albertans, well, they'll figure something out, they'll figure something out, you know, you know, they, they always do, um, you know, it, you know, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.
00:02:06.180 And since, uh, you know, the, the COVID craziness, that's, that's how I see it.
00:02:14.400 You know, we've all been living in insanity and, you know, I work in the field of trauma, mental health and addiction and we have a mental health crisis.
00:02:24.580 We have a addiction crisis and, you know, who are the biggest perpetrators of trauma? Government, right?
00:02:32.260 When you can't afford to feed your family, when you can't afford to put gas in your car, when we have 3 million people lining up at food banks, you know, nonstop every day, that's trauma.
00:02:44.400 And that's caused by government.
00:02:46.380 And, you know, those traumas create mental illness.
00:02:50.100 Those traumas create addiction as a coping mechanism to deal with the mental illness that's left behind from those experiences.
00:02:58.740 So, you know, we're all predisposed anyways to trauma over the last, you know, 11 years of the liberals being in power.
00:03:08.480 All they've done is just continually add trauma onto people's plates instead of, you know, just leave us alone.
00:03:14.400 Like, leave us alone.
00:03:16.400 And you are a public servant, serving the public.
00:03:19.980 Why are you making choices and decisions that has absolutely destroyed Canada over the last 11 years?
00:03:29.100 And that's why we're at the place we're at, where we're saying, you know what, enough's enough.
00:03:33.700 I do not need the government involved in any aspect of my life.
00:03:39.160 At all.
00:03:40.120 Zero.
00:03:41.360 but you know theo if you do go your own way if alberta does become its own country you're
00:03:45.920 still going to have a government it'll just be the government of alberta but it'll be the one
00:03:50.880 it'll be the one that we choose right because right now there is not one party in canada
00:03:58.320 that represents the patriot's voice in canada and the patriot's voice we just want to be left alone
00:04:05.920 Like, we know how to make money, we're entrepreneurs, we're hard workers, we're, you know, we're so many things that we don't need, we don't need any advice or decisions made for us.
00:04:20.200 We were doing just fine until, you know, Trudeau got elected in whatever that was, 2015.
00:04:29.660 What about those who say that Canada has a rich history, that there's been so many Albertans, for instance, who fought?
00:04:35.920 uh side by side with their fellow canadians in the second world war and in korea and the first
00:04:42.200 world war taking part in other uh conflicts like the ones in afghanistan there's been so
00:04:47.760 many patriotic fighting for those guys we're fighting for those guys because how are you
00:04:52.680 fighting for them for freedom freedom we're doing the exact same thing but we're doing it in our
00:04:58.320 own country now which is even more crazy when you think about it you know we're fighting for those
00:05:04.440 people. You know, we're fighting for our freedom. Get out of our lives. Government, get out of my
00:05:10.240 life. I do not need you. You are, you're dumb. You're idiots. You have no idea what the hell
00:05:16.580 you're doing. You know, $1.5 trillion in debt. Like my kids, kids, kids are going to, they have
00:05:24.660 no future. So I'm fighting for them and their freedom to, you know, to have a decent life.
00:05:31.080 not asking for extravagant things just want the government the hell out of our lives that's it
00:05:39.240 and and to me that's even speaking i see do you think it's the same country as it was when
00:05:46.820 you know no grandfathers so not even close not even close no uh-uh no and uh you know when our
00:05:56.880 Prime Minister takes a bunch of his friends and goes to China and sits in front of Xi Jinping
00:06:02.560 and goes, we're all in on the new world order. Well, if you look up what the new world order
00:06:08.120 is, you don't want any part of that at all. Well, yeah, part of that new world order
00:06:15.840 is opening the door to millions more immigrants. That's part of the new world order. As far 1.00
00:06:21.920 as I could see, the Prime Minister has made it clear he wants to open up the borders to
00:06:25.940 millions more people and uh i'm not so sure that a lot of canadians are about are comfortable with
00:06:32.420 that i mean we had millions of people come in during trudeau's time and now it would be pop
00:06:38.340 the brakes a little bit for a year or two and now we're going to go right back down that road
00:06:42.620 of uh bringing in people that we don't have the housing for we don't have the jobs for
00:06:47.140 so is that an issue in alberta i think it's an issue all over the world right now you know um
00:06:55.320 You know, you look what's happening in the U.S., you look what's happening in the U.K., you look what's happening in Australia.
00:07:03.060 Like, yeah, it's a problem. 0.68
00:07:06.100 Am I a supporter of legal immigration? 1.00
00:07:10.280 Absolutely.
00:07:10.660 You know, some of my friends, some of my best friends went through the process to, you know, become legal citizens.
00:07:17.600 And then when they came here, they assimilated.
00:07:20.540 they took on you know the canadian uh pride and and they live as canadians they say they're
00:07:27.880 canadians they're proud to be canadians they're forever grateful for what we've been able to
00:07:34.700 provide for them you know an opportunity to to make something and and you know have a business
00:07:41.440 or whatever it is and you know that's that's not where we're at anymore you know there's going to
00:07:47.680 be people to say you know theo you're a great hockey player and you got you made it to the nhl
00:07:53.760 you had a great career as a canadian and you know do you really want to give that up now
00:07:59.500 to have your own country in alberta well i want freedom that's it you know but i want freedom i
00:08:07.420 want the government the hell out of my life you know the last 11 years uh has not been fun you
00:08:16.340 know um you know as a person who's on the front lines on a day-to-day basis dealing with heartache
00:08:24.500 and um uh you know you name it um yeah i see what people are going through and uh how much pain
00:08:36.300 they're in how much suffering they they're in you know and and and there's not one politician out
00:08:41.960 there who's who's had any compassion or empathy for any of the decisions that they've made like
00:08:48.520 zero like if you look at the allison inquiry and and you think that five politicians out of the
00:08:56.280 whatever 338 showed up that tells me everything i need to know about the people who are running
00:09:02.460 this country you know people were maimed killed uh disabled by their choices and by their decisions
00:09:12.680 and the the reason why we're in this state is um there are no more consequences for any of the
00:09:21.420 decisions that the politicians make so what does that mean are we heading down that road the c
00:09:27.160 word you know are we heading down that road because last time i checked communism still 0.96
00:09:32.360 sucks and sucks big time and i believe that's where we're headed and i don't want any part of
00:09:38.720 that you know i played in two world juniors and they were both in communist countries and when i 0.98
00:09:44.000 got home after having those experiences and watching and seeing what was going on in those
00:09:49.580 countries man i was so proud to be a canadian so proud that i had freedom of choice and freedom to
00:09:56.420 be able to do whatever I wanted to do, to say whatever I wanted to say.
00:10:00.140 Like I was, yeah.
00:10:02.880 So, you know, a lot of people on social media, well, you don't know
00:10:06.140 what communism is.
00:10:06.940 Yeah, I was there.
00:10:08.280 I seen it firsthand, you know, and experienced it and, and saw, you
00:10:14.160 know, what, what the destruction and the, um, inhumanity that it really
00:10:20.700 is at the end of the day.
00:10:21.800 yeah there's a danger that we're going to sleepwalk our way into it with people not realizing
00:10:28.160 yeah that we are doing that like it's a slow drip like they don't just come in with tanks and
00:10:32.840 you know army and everything and just take it over it's a slow it's a slow drip and and for
00:10:38.380 the last 11 years it's been a slow drip drifting towards you know that that c word that you know
00:10:45.840 And, you know, we've had 150 some odd years of freedom in Canada.
00:10:52.220 So we have no idea unless you've actually been to a communist country or you've sat down with somebody who, you know, went through the Bosnian War and Yugoslavia or, you know, I roomed with Sergei Makarov for four years in the Calgary Flames.
00:11:09.080 And he told me the stories about living in communist Soviet Union and how he only saw his family maybe, you know, once, once a year, but the rest of the time he was, he was in the army training and, you know, and all that stuff.
00:11:27.320 So yeah, I, I know what communism is, you know, and, uh, and I believe that that's the road where we're at it down.
00:11:35.960 Have you spoken to many people about how you feel about this stuff?
00:11:39.080 I mean, I know you're online, but, um, do you spend much time sort of, uh, with,
00:11:45.020 you know, face to face with friends, family, that sort of thing.
00:11:47.500 Explain why you feel the way you do.
00:11:49.640 Yeah.
00:11:50.480 What's the response?
00:11:51.500 What's been the response?
00:11:52.880 I would say most agree, you know, uh, I don't really hang around
00:11:56.860 with too many liberal people, that's for sure.
00:11:59.440 Um, but, uh, um, yeah, I would say because I live in Alberta, you know, we're, we're a very conservative, uh, province and, uh, you know, most of the circles that I run around in are, uh, are conservative ones and people are concerned about their livelihoods, concerned about their children.
00:12:23.120 Um, you know, I have an 18 year old daughter who, you know, uh, has done high school and she wanted to get into the workforce and it's been absolutely impossible for her to find something that, you know, sustains her and, and her, you know, where, where she lives, her car payments, you know, her insurance, you know, you name it, all that stuff.
00:12:46.900 Right.
00:12:47.260 So.
00:12:47.500 Are you convinced that she'll be better off if Alberta were a separate country?
00:12:52.080 Yeah.
00:12:52.560 yeah we have nine you're so sure we have nine trillion barrels of oil that's all i gotta say
00:13:00.880 we have nine trillion barrels of oil that they want to keep in the ground or sell to china or
00:13:07.440 you know whatever you know what i mean so um we'll be just fine we we we could probably be
00:13:15.600 as successful or more successful than you know saudi arabia when we started our chat
00:13:24.460 you said that the government would figure out some way to sideline what's going to happen
00:13:30.580 what you want to happen which is a you know a real binding referendum how about how about how
00:13:37.020 about negotiate how about how about let's sit at the table and talk about what's going on
00:13:43.820 I heard Carney yesterday say, yeah, we're not going to open up the equalization conversation until 2029.
00:13:54.800 So what does that tell you?
00:13:56.940 The other side does not want to negotiate.
00:14:00.180 The other side has tunnel vision heading towards the new world order, which came right out of his mouth,
00:14:08.120 sitting in front of a communist dictator, basically telling him, we're all in.
00:14:13.820 we're all in on the new world order and uh yeah so the premier you've heard
00:14:20.580 Danielle Smith say that that the feds have come over on your side you know
00:14:26.440 somewhat and have been agreed after building I gotta come all the way all
00:14:31.480 the way no this is not you know give us little little you know morsels of you
00:14:38.760 No, no, you come all the way or you don't come at all, right?
00:14:44.600 As a patriot, that's my attitude, right?
00:14:49.620 You know, that's my attitude. 1.00
00:14:51.020 I will not put up with any more bulls from these idiotic politicians whose IQs are less than 100. 1.00
00:15:01.160 And, you know, like, it's ridiculous. 1.00
00:15:03.980 Well, Jason Kenney said that he suspects that many people who favor independence
00:15:10.380 are not going to give up, no matter what the result of this referendum vote is.
00:15:16.100 If it doesn't go your way, will you back off at that point and say,
00:15:20.260 all right, it's over?
00:15:21.080 Or will you say, round two is coming up, whether you let it or not?
00:15:24.680 Yeah, we want freedom.
00:15:26.780 We don't want what Ottawa has to offer,
00:15:29.580 because we know what Ottawa has to offer, and it ain't good for us.
00:15:32.980 it's good for them but ain't good for us right you know um you're done it's over yeah i'm done
00:15:41.840 i'm done with these people absolutely finished done yeah they're i guess it's up to the rest
00:15:48.340 of the people in the province and well you're gonna go how do you think it's gonna go you
00:15:53.640 make you want to make a prediction well i would say that we won't get enough support to get to
00:16:02.120 the next level um you know it's unfortunate that uh that we're in this place and i don't think
00:16:11.080 that you know alberta really uh is at fault here at all you know we've been poorly treated for
00:16:19.800 for a long time and uh and i don't see that changing uh and you know with they're gonna take
00:16:30.660 the the uh the vote right when they when they supposedly win this vote they're gonna take it
00:16:40.380 as a um uh what's the word i'm looking for a verdict um no more than that a stronger word
00:16:49.740 than that that that it's okay to continue down the path that we're we're going down which means
00:16:56.920 yeah we'll take we'll take your money yeah and we'll but we'll we we won't give you anything
00:17:05.120 like there's gonna be there'll be no pipelines there'll be there'll be none of that stuff
00:17:09.760 happening guaranteed if if if they get the result that they want it'll be a indication that uh you
00:17:17.760 know albertans albertans want communism okay yeah i guess we'll just have to wait and see
00:17:24.260 yeah thank you oh yeah my pleasure anytime appreciate it yeah thanks mark theo fleury
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