Juno News - July 26, 2026


Ontario tried banning this billboard. It didn’t work.


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00:00:00.000 Well, a big win for free speech as an Ontario court strikes down the Ontario government's
00:00:11.660 political billboard ban. Our guest is John Carpe, director of the Justice Centre for
00:00:17.060 Constitutional Freedoms. Welcome, John.
00:00:20.340 Hey, glad to be with you, Mark, with all of your viewers and listeners.
00:00:24.260 Was it an Ontario court that did that?
00:00:26.640 Ontario Superior Court of Justice struck down Ontario government's policy that they tried to ban non-commercial billboards.
00:00:36.840 So you can have a billboard if you're advertising for a product, if it's commercial, but you can't do political expression on billboards.
00:00:44.840 and completely contrary to a very, very clear
00:00:48.440 Supreme Court of Canada decision from about 15 years ago
00:00:51.580 that said, no, you cannot, a government entity
00:00:54.720 cannot ban political expression
00:00:58.660 and say we're doing commercial only.
00:01:01.020 Government can't do that.
00:01:01.920 Private newsletter organization,
00:01:05.480 they can do whatever they want,
00:01:06.460 but government cannot censor our political speech
00:01:09.780 in that fashion.
00:01:11.920 And maybe you could take us through to the start
00:01:14.520 of how this began. Obviously, it was an individual who took exception to the mandates, specifically
00:01:21.660 the COVID mandates, I believe, and put up a sign that included pictures of people like
00:01:26.220 Justin Trudeau and others, including Dr. Fauci. And that was political, obviously a political
00:01:36.120 statement about the fact that people need to be held to account for what took place, correct?
00:01:41.820 Yeah, George Caterberg, a man lives near Windsor, Ontario, and put up this big billboard and said
00:01:49.080 they lied to us, and it had photos of Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh and other people.
00:01:56.660 And then initially, he was told that you're not allowed to do this, and our network of lawyers
00:02:04.300 got involved. And the government actually backed down and said, okay, okay, we know, we understand.
00:02:09.800 they said it promoted hatred against Trudeau and Jagmeet Singh and maybe it did but that's not
00:02:16.580 illegal it is illegal to promote hatred against a group based on the group's race sex gender
00:02:22.760 religion etc that's criminal can be criminal speech but if you are aggressively criticizing
00:02:30.300 a politician even if it does promote hatred that's not illegal in the same way that when Trudeau was
00:02:37.760 denouncing people who reasonably and legitimately did not get injected with a COVID vaccine,
00:02:44.760 there was a lot of hate that was generated there, but it was not illegal. It was not contrary to
00:02:49.020 the criminal code. Yeah, I remember that. Trudeau likened people who didn't take the vaccine to
00:02:57.220 racists, I think, and homophobes. Anti-science, misogynist. Yeah. So we secured the initial
00:03:05.080 victory for George Keterberg, and the Ontario government backed down and said, you know,
00:03:09.840 okay, we can't really ban this.
00:03:12.080 Then they passed a policy, so it wasn't just, you know, a one-off decision.
00:03:17.420 They passed a formal policy contrary to a very clear Supreme Court of Canada decision
00:03:23.820 saying that there's no political advertising on billboards, so we had to sue them again.
00:03:32.020 Thank goodness we've got donors that are paying for the lawyer.
00:03:35.120 George Caterberg couldn't afford this.
00:03:36.660 But we sued them again.
00:03:37.820 And the second time, it went all the way to a hearing.
00:03:41.480 And we got a ruling in favor of George Caterberg.
00:03:44.840 And so the law was struck down that prohibited the political expression.
00:03:50.980 Well, obviously, those political billboards must have had an impact for the government to go that far in trying to stop it.
00:03:59.160 It's the only reason I can think of for them to do that.
00:04:04.040 I mean, obviously that's not part of the legal argument is the effectiveness of the message.
00:04:08.720 But I mean, that would be my takeaway from having a government go to such lengths to try and have these billboards hold.
00:04:17.220 What do you think?
00:04:17.740 Well, the moment you empower a government to control what citizens can and cannot see, it is necessarily, it's going to be a political decision.
00:04:27.240 because there's no doubt in my mind that if somebody had put up a billboard thanking Trudeau
00:04:32.620 and Jagmeet Singh and Dr. Fauci and thanking these people, you saved so many lives, we are
00:04:37.980 eternally grateful, that would not have been censored. But this is what happens. We had another
00:04:44.900 court victory quite recently where the court ruled against the Parliamentary Protective Service or
00:04:51.700 the parliamentary police who three years ago told a pro-life group your signs are offensive and
00:04:59.360 you're not allowed to display these signs on parliament hill and so we took that to court and
00:05:04.920 we fortunately we got a favorable court ruling you know either we have free speech or we have
00:05:10.580 a right not to be offended it's one or the other and unfortunately a lot of canadians will say well
00:05:16.140 i believe in free speech as long as it's not offensive it's like no no no you you can't it
00:05:21.120 doesn't work that way. Either we have free speech and all kinds of people will get offended for all
00:05:26.740 kinds of reasons, or we have a right not to be offended. And if we have that right, then it's
00:05:32.400 the government who's going to selectively ban a billboard like George Caterberg's, which says
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00:06:50.800 Let's talk about one of the, or all of the series of bills that the government, the federal
00:06:57.300 government has tabled around restricting speech, basically. I mean, let's call it what it is. I
00:07:03.400 mean, it's certainly, if it looks like censorship, it probably is. Now we're talking about Bill C-34,
00:07:09.300 the Safe Social Media Act, to regulate the internet, including penalizing big tech,
00:07:16.940 all in the name of protecting, I guess, younger people from the big, bad, nasty internet. Can
00:07:24.240 you talk about what's going on with these acts, with these bills?
00:07:30.480 Yeah, so C-34 is the Safe Social Media Act, and it's now before Parliament. Parliament's in recess.
00:07:37.700 They're back in session September 21st.
00:07:41.240 This builds on, I'll briefly, the problem is the whole package.
00:07:45.000 So we started with Bill C11, the Online Streaming Act, which gave the CRTC, the Canadian Radio, Television, and Telecommunications Commission, gave them authority over the internet.
00:07:55.260 And they're now controlling the algorithms used by YouTube and Netflix and streaming services to put forward content that the CRTC deems to be sufficiently Canadian as they see it.
00:08:12.700 Then we got the Online News Act, Bill C-18, that made it impossible for Canadians to share news links on Facebook and Instagram.
00:08:21.020 Then we've got the Cybersecurity Act, Bill C-8, which gives federal cabinet ministers the power to kick individual Canadians off the internet and also to issue directives to companies to compromise their security and encryption standards.
00:08:36.800 So Bill C-8, the Cybersecurity Act, gives the federal government immense power to control tech companies and tell them specifically what to do.
00:08:45.400 Then we've got the Combating Hate Act, Bill C-9, which opens the door to criminal prosecutions against Orthodox Jewish rabbis, Catholic priests, Muslim imams, if they teach what their scriptures say about homosexuality and gender and transgenderism.
00:09:01.020 Then we got the Lawful Access Act, Bill C-22, which forces the networks to keep data on the phone calls and texts of their subscribers and the locations for six months and also empowers the government to order companies like Signal and Windscribe to build capacity to intercept or provide access to encrypted communications.
00:09:28.620 So Signal says it intends to shut down its service for Canadians, can no longer use Signal because Bill C-22 makes it impossible to have confidential end-to-end encrypted communications.
00:09:42.400 So you have those five bills, and now you get C-34 creating this new, very powerful body called the Digital Safety Commission, which will have all kinds of powers that are not spelled out in Bill C-34.
00:09:54.060 They get to define their own powers later on without parliamentary scrutiny.
00:10:00.900 Yeah, I mean, the government had to back off on some of the things they put out there, having run into all sorts of opposition, not only from civil libertarians and other groups like yours, for instance.
00:10:12.400 But the big tech just said, we're leaving if you bring about a passage of these bills.
00:10:20.320 Isn't that what happened and forcing the government to back down somewhat, although not completely?
00:10:26.540 Well, last year we had the government introduce Bill C-2, which they called the Strong Borders Act.
00:10:31.680 I think it should have been called the Strong Surveillance Act.
00:10:34.920 And it was horrible.
00:10:36.980 gave new powers to all kinds of government officials not just police to conduct searches
00:10:44.780 and it made it illegal to use cash in amounts greater than 10,000 even if you're donating
00:10:51.940 a charity or buying a car you can't use cash over 10,000 gave Canada Post the right to open
00:10:59.380 letter mail based on suspicion that they might not like its contents all of this without going
00:11:05.480 to court to get a warrant the way that we've been functioning successfully for centuries is that yes
00:11:10.560 there is a time and a place when police should be able to violate somebody's privacy if they have
00:11:15.140 reasonable and probable grounds to believe that they have committed a crime or they are committing
00:11:19.020 a crime by all means we've got a good system in place where where but you have to go to court
00:11:23.600 the starting point is we have a right to privacy we have property rights over our own home police
00:11:28.880 cannot barge in without a warrant and we're really moving away from that towards a surveillance state
00:11:35.220 where the government can and will monitor our speech, our movements.
00:11:41.240 We're moving in the direction of the social credit system in communist China,
00:11:45.600 where if you criticize a government on social media,
00:11:48.840 you'll find yourself unable to get onto a bus, a train, a subway, an airplane.
00:11:55.700 That's the centralized digital ID that we are rapidly marching towards.
00:12:01.220 And most Canadians are asleep.
00:12:05.220 Yeah, well, it takes a lot of people to try and wake them up.
00:12:09.260 And I know your group has been very much involved in that.
00:12:12.200 It just seems ironic that this government that passed laws that encouraged crime.
00:12:18.880 I mean, let's face facts here.
00:12:20.680 You know, the changes to bail and sentencing, all these changes that they brought in,
00:12:27.420 the soft on crime laws or changes did what people expected them to do, which is to increase the
00:12:35.920 amount of crime. And so then you have the government using that crime, the excess crime
00:12:41.340 and the complaints, the concerns by Canadians, using that as a pretext to pass laws like the
00:12:47.420 gun grab. And now, of course, all these that are really a little more than censorship rules. And so
00:12:55.720 What's being done to push back on these?
00:12:57.920 I mean, is there anything that can, I mean, I realize that some of them have already been
00:13:02.860 passed into law, but what is being done to push back on some of these?
00:13:08.240 And speaking, obviously you're not with big tech, but what are they doing?
00:13:12.480 Have you heard anything from them?
00:13:17.080 Well, in terms of pushback, I mean, the good news is that the government backed down on
00:13:21.320 many portions of Bill C-2, the Strong Borders Act, and there is such a public outcry at
00:13:28.840 University of Ottawa. Law professor Michael Geist was a leading voice, very articulate,
00:13:34.580 explaining what was wrong with that bill. And he's been explaining that for the other six as well.
00:13:40.240 You know, you've got Canadian Civil Liberties Association, you've got groups on the left,
00:13:45.020 on the right, whatever. There was a big public outcry. So the government backed down on portions
00:13:49.960 of Bill C2. So that was good. The government also backed down on Bill C9. They were going to get
00:13:57.480 rid of a current requirement that for hate speech prosecutions to move ahead, it requires the
00:14:04.340 consent of the justice minister. So it's not just local police, local prosecutors making the
00:14:09.920 decision. So Bill C9 could have been a lot worse. They were going to get rid of that review process,
00:14:16.220 but they they did not um you know the lawful access act they moved the data retention requirement
00:14:24.300 from 12 months down to six months it's still terrible but you know the the government does
00:14:29.660 back down when when mps hear from their own constituents in large numbers it often not
00:14:36.220 always but it often when these mps get nervous they talk to the party leader and they say hey
00:14:43.500 uh you know like we're in trouble here i've got a lot of people in my writing are uh speaking out
00:14:49.980 against this but you know the number of people in canada who contact their own mp it's i you know
00:14:55.740 it might be one percent of one percent of one percent of the population there's there's actually
00:15:00.060 very few people who contact their mp about anything well they should start doing a lot more
00:15:06.620 how do people absolutely support the work that you're doing there at the justice center for
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00:15:37.820 John Carpe, thank you so much for coming on the show. We appreciate it.
00:15:42.700 Thank you, Mark. Have a great rest of the day.
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