Debate Got Heated on TRANSGENDER
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the transgenders and the transphobic attitudes towards them and how they are treated in society. We also discuss the issues that trans people face in the trans bathroom debate and how we should deal with them.
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understand is somehow in some way as much as you have your opinion it is a little bit prejudiced
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you know and and i get that your prejudice may come from yeah it is prejudice and i think that
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you know you have to understand that when you've got these viewpoints yeah sometimes it's
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hypocritical because and that's why i'm using sexuality that's why i'm saying there's probably
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women in your bathroom that are checking you out if they're gay if they're lesbians so for you
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lesbians can be pretty aggressive and yeah they can so for you to dismiss them and then jump on
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trans women but there's no policy but there's no policy that we can push that like you can't do
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that because there's again he was saying there's no sign on their head saying that they're gay and
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they don't have to they don't have to and i'm not saying that i'm not on the trend yeah but it is so
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obvious oh my gosh it is so obvious especially especially men that men that men that become
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women it's so obvious you can tell not always no but when you say not always that's like a very
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small percentage i think the vast majority you can because of the access to care no it's so the
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access to surgery how many people like trans people have you guys no but not everyone has access to
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surgery it's so expensive exactly it's so expensive to make somebody acceptably trans for you for society
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they have to go through all these surgeries is that what you're saying it's not it's crazy i'm not
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saying i'm not i'm saying by identifying i'm not talking about acceptance no i mean i just don't
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think what if they're stealth then they can go into the toilet right so if you don't if you don't
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realize that they're a trans woman they can go in there i just don't think it's like because you're
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not because you're not you're not on edge because they don't have an adam's apple no i just i just think
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it's like why do i have to agree to the delusion like you're not it doesn't make you the opposite gender
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because you dress like it and get some surgery some people aren't necessarily even trying to access that
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they're not even trying to be cisgender some people are not trying to be like their cis counterparts
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yeah some people are just trying to make the outside match the inside and that doesn't necessarily mean
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that they will claim that they are cisgender it doesn't it doesn't mean that they want to
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necessarily be cisgender it just means that they actually feel mad uncomfortable with a beard they
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feel mad uncomfortable with the fact that they've got you know leg hair they've got they're uncomfortable
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with their genitalia and they don't like it then it doesn't match them but then if they decide to
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to to alter their outside or to start you know changing how they look and making themselves feel
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pretty the way that they feel that they should then they can't go into a man's toilet safely i kind of
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want to steal man pearl a little bit because i i want to say the majority of trans women don't think
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they're cis women but there are some people that are delusional and do push it to a point so it's like
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we can't just but i'm saying it's like it's like everything but i'm saying when when you're forcing
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us to accept them as women and treat them as women then it's like you're forcing me to live in the
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delusion when i can see you're clearly not so like when i'm forced to play with them now i have to
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you know and i didn't even get a choice in this like now i have to succumb to their delusion
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even in the locker room because i go into the locker room now i have to
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now i have to pretend that they're supposed to be there now i have to go to the bathrooms and pretend
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people have been pretending like trans people don't exist where i didn't say they don't they
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they clearly exist but trans people have been a part of society for for like well since time again
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but the issue the issue but the issue we get to is that if we don't if we don't give a hard line then
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later there will be consequences and that's what you see with uh with the um the men going into female
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prisons and they and they get raped there was a couple cases in california that just happened
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in england we've already prepped for that so we have a transgender wing too but we have the same
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problem we did have a transgender woman rape a woman because that was really stupid because she
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wasn't like she wasn't post-op or anything was really dumb i i feel like there are some situations
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but people just turn their brains off but my problem is like that's why i just think we make it simple
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biological men biological women because when you start when you start getting into all these when
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when you get into all these exceptions like then there are people that are faced consequences and
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usually it's not you it's someone else yeah i do think the transgender wing was important because
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it's obviously it's keeping trans women safe from men but it's also keeping you know cis women safe so i
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think that was a good but that is an example of a compromise right we didn't just know the trans women
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in with the men but i would i would i would but also like in society i would just keep it men women
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there would be no trans you're a black and white thinker this if this makes your brain smooth i like
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black and white thinking too so i i understand can i just say something it's not about thinking black
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and white it's just you know how some people well i was raised to think that if i'm a woman i go into
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the woman's bathroom i have brothers when they go toilet they go to the men's bathroom but at home you use the
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the same toilet at home we use the same toilet because we are friends because we are family and
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because we are friends because we are family and because we are friends what was the last thing you
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said you go to a house party when you're meeting people that you don't know but you're still using
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the same toilet right yes 100 you survived them proud of you yeah no but you don't but at a house
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party i would go at a house party i would go with the girls and you talk in the bathroom i would not
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bring a guy to do that and you know it's different like we go we go into it it is an experience you
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know that you know i'm enjoying this because i'm not the most most woke person here i'm kind of in
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the middle it's great it's great i enjoy it but um when it comes to some bathrooms specifically um i don't
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want to disregard how anxious and scared women often feel in general like if you don't know somewhere
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where you're going and you're out in public you're always kind of on edge and society kind of pushes
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you to be this way because if you're not on edge and constantly have your guard up you're often
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blamed for things that are bad that happen to you so you're either constantly anxious or constantly
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not paying attention and then blamed for the bad things that happen to you and that's not trans
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women's fault but it's something we should take into consideration just the experience of being a
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cis woman again women both both women we are protected classes and whilst we have some similarities
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we are also different we're like two circles that partly overlap but don't completely overlap and it's
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important not to just completely discredit these differences
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um okay so where do we land on bathrooms so you guys bathrooms i think it should be fine
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fine fine i really just want to get it all right who says no i'm gonna i just want hands they have
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to get their own unit okay half and half i mean own units is good like i just keep everything unisex put
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a camera outside the cubicle everyone's gonna be like it's like a unisex cubicle you can just have
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cubicle cubicle cubicle cubicle cubicle camera it's not that deep like i just don't understand why
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it's that i don't want to see you know all these people they are not like i'm sorry i'm sorry you
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can still have you in front of the mirror the mirror will still be there for you there will just be
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a camera watching you have your chat doing your makeup so that everyone's safe when you walk in
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no because then again it's like we have to make all these exceptions for like one percent of the
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population everyone should like it so if it's only one percent of the population like i just think that
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we're where these people um you know we are a what's the words uh when something's like a small
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amount of you know i'm saying that it's such a small percentage i just don't see how like it's
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it's gonna be an issue you know for these these type of people because it's not an issue till it
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becomes an issue there's so there's such a small percentage you said just one percent like if there was
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there's one percent of millionaires okay if there was yeah but that's different because you know
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that's that's not a league that's not like a league that's just people's successes and stuff
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but if you're trying to put people together in terms of like leagues of sports and things like that
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it's going to be difficult with just one percent to form a whole league of just one gender of people
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and the more we're speaking about it the more i'm starting to see that it wouldn't be a bad thing
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you know it genuinely would not be a bad thing to have a separate but then there would need to be a more
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uh neat like more more amounts of people like let's say for example female football female football
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you know 30 years ago didn't really exist i i don't know how correct that is but i'm just kind
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of giving an estimate but as time progresses it's getting more watch it's getting more appreciated more
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people are going towards it but initially there wasn't enough women playing football for there to be
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a league and i think with transgender people the more transgender people that come forward and say you
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know what i'd like to pay play a sport and and face these type of difficulties of prejudice and
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whether it's prejudice or just you know technical whatever it is i just think they can create this
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league you know i think in life you know we've kind of said that we shouldn't be excluded from anything
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and i think some things yeah people should be excluded from like for example i don't really think women
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um like we don't play football i mean not not really it's not really it's like it's a very fringe right so we
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we can but we can talk about like in the normal school the normal college you're not going to go
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on and find a football team right and you know maybe there's special colleges that do that on occasion
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when there's a high population of women that want to play but the rule is there's no football league
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when it comes to sports i think it's rather than no but i'm saying the same thing with the bathrooms
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like okay if there's a ton in one area fine but like demanding that there's bathrooms in all these
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locations when we could just go by biological sex it's easier yeah but you don't okay so biological
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sex you see someone walking into the women's toilet with a beard yeah you can't give them a little side
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eye yeah it's gonna be crazy if i walk into the women's if you walk in through this toilet and you
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see somebody walking behind you walking with a beard and a penis you can't give them side eye because
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there will be but i mean if we're gonna be honest i'd rather neither i'd rather neither but you know but we
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we gotta go to biology these people exist and i think biologically it wouldn't work that way
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unless unless people continue to use the the bathrooms of the gender that they've that they
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are claiming yeah or that they were assigned at birth or that they were assigned at birth
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it's either that or like you say you know they they make a special bathroom for transgender people
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because this idea of a transgender woman with a beard going into a woman's toilet or a transgender man
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with breasts going into men's toilet is just absolutely crazy i mean it doesn't make any sense
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i think it's crazier than someone with male parts going into a woman's bathroom i think that's way
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crazier i would take someone with a beard over like females i would take a beard over a dick
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but you don't know what that beard comes with yeah so if someone was assigned female at birth they've
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transitioned to male yeah and you're saying that they need to go with their biological sex yeah
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or their their gender assigned at birth yeah so they could have gone through every single process
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to have bottom surgery have top surgery they've been through hormone therapy they've been on
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hormones for like 10 years they look like a they look like a cisgender man but they've just followed
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you into a women's toilet because you said that biological women should go into women's toilet women's
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toilets already completely separate cubicles am i missing something like i've never seen a transgender
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person's pp like ever but the whole point but the whole point i do think changing rooms is a bit
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different but bathrooms is just like i mean yeah i just i don't i don't think we should be forced to
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share a bathroom with man like that i'm just trying to figure out how you'd know like unless like someone
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is obviously close to their trying is close to the beginning of their transition i mean we already have a
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a lot of units i don't know i don't know how you would know i mean it's it's pretty i mean i'm not
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even trying to be rude it's pretty it's pretty obvious like you can you can usually tell like
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even in this room it was pretty easy for me to tell but does it really matter unless they do something
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really bad does it matter like if you just see them coming in or out like as long as they're not
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seeing anything bad you're forcing me to pretend that there's something that they're not and i don't
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think that you can still think they're what they are you just yeah everyone's entitled right but
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we're supposed to have the it's supposed to be women the women's locker room the women's bathroom
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and so it's like when we have to be okay with them coming in again it's like you're asking me to accept
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that there's something that they're not no i don't do you know what your opinion at that point would
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have to be relevant to the person using the bathroom so like for example if a transgender person
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came into the bathroom and had to put up with your negative prejudice yes then it's up to that
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person if they give you air time if if they think that you're just some negative i'm actually like
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a karen so i would go to the like manager and i would say hey there's a man in the bathroom and
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they probably ask you to leave so who who would they probably ask you to well in this woke culture
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yes but i'm trying to stop that look completely like a man or are they a transgender woman they're
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trying the best see i get really confused all the words like the trans sis i just confuses me a bit
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but if we're going to go to the men that become women i i would say it's very easy to tell like at
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that tournament i could say that one that one that one i would say the other way around it's a little
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harder but but it's still pretty easy to tell the trans women that you've met would all of them
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bother you or some bother you more than others what are you all of them all of them bother you
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about the same all of them i would not want in the bathroom with me yeah i feel like we should base
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being sort of wary of people on when they actually do something bad no but again the policies again
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the poll because the issue is if we let allow them in the bathrooms then what's next then it's the
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prisons then it's the sports like it just never stops so i mean there's always something they're