Does Pearl Have BEEF With The Daily Wire？
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Summary
Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, and the Daily Wire respond to Hannah Pearl Davis and her tweets about why men should not get married because they are not old enough to understand the realities of men in the United States.
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I have been going back and forth with the Daily Wire. I actually couldn't believe it. I have had
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the entire Daily Wire respond to good old Pearl, to good old Pearl. So I've not only had Jeremy
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Boring, Boring, the CEO of the Daily Wire. Okay. Anyone that watches me knows I'm not a names
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person. This isn't even supposed to be like a rude thing. Okay. Matt Walsh responded to me.
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Ben Shapiro responded to me. Oh, and even Matt Walsh's wife responded to me. I couldn't believe
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it. Guys, I was like, what on earth is going on? Pearl's tweet. I'm just tweeting away.
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And so the original tweet that sparked this entire conversation was I pointed out that all of the
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men that really pushed marriage as a solution were not old enough to really understand the
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realities of men in this country. And I also pointed out that typically wealthy men have a
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different experience in marriage. Although I can also point to many, many wealthy men that have
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gotten absolutely screwed in divorce. And what conclusions I've come to from doing shows with
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600, 700 plus guests on them, interviewing countless men, and really getting messages and
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calls daily about this stuff, is that I really think that rich men have a different reality than
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the average middle-class American workers. Rich men are more likely to get respect from their
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wives. They also have a lower divorce rate. And typically, from my experience, when wealthy men
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get divorced, and I could still give you so many instances where this is not the case, but in general,
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they have an easier time after divorce. They can date again and be okay. They typically, even if their
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wife takes a bunch of their money, they're usually very good at making money. And the real men that are
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truly affected by this are, one, the men that cannot fight false allegations in court, and really the men
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that don't recover financially ever again. That worked the same, I don't know, factory job, mechanic job,
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for 20, 25 years, and then had a woman financially ruin them, only for them to never recover.
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A lot of these men end up committing suicide. My point is more, I see general trends. And the
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general trend is that older men tend to understand more the realities of what I'm talking about.
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So Andrew Klavan, another social commentator for the Daily Wire, also weighed in. Now, I wanted to
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point something out that Andrew is 69 years old, so he is in the older guy category that I was talking
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So there's a big debate that the Daily Wire is involved in, in a big way, this provocateur,
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Hannah Pearl Davis. She's sometimes called the female Andrew Tate, because she's kind of down
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on women. She disses women a lot. And she's been pointing out that feminists in the courts have
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ruined marriage, and guys shouldn't get married. And Ben and Walsh and even Jeremy have all weighed in
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opposing her. And she works the way provocateurs work. They all make these extreme statements.
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Andrew Tate does this too. Nick Fuentes does it. And when they're attacked, when people say,
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that's a really horrible thing to say, they explain their extreme statements away. And their followers
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pretend to believe the explanation while they really believe the extreme statements. So they say,
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women are stupid. And you say, well, that's a ridiculous thing to say. And then they say,
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well, what I meant by that is they don't always make the right decisions. And everybody says,
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see, you know, he doesn't really mean that. But what they really think is that women are stupid.
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So Pearl has been complaining. She complained on Twitter that only young guys like marriage. And
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she called out Ben and Walsh and I think Jeremy. And somebody said, well, what about Clavin? And so
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I answered, I've been blissfully married for 43 years. My wife, of course, has been trying to escape,
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but I won't let her because it's been bliss for me. But I'm very cognizant that this is a special
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blessing in my life. I have a wonderful wife, truly. She gave me a home. She mothered our children.
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She nurtured my career. She believed in me when I had nothing. And she's the absolute love of my
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life. And I'm not, that's not something I'm just saying. Truly, if I had the time that I have spent
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making love to that woman, if I had used it more productively, I would be an astrophysicist today,
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which I don't want to be. So it's actually fine. So, but not everyone gets to marry that kind of
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wife, you know, and no one else can get the best wife because I've got her. So I kind of am a little
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bit hesitant to say, oh yes, get married because it's a great thing. Now, Pearl's point, which I think
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you know, she has a point when she gets to the explanation part, when she stopped provoking you.
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Some of the stuff she says has a point. She says that feminists have ruined marriage. She says a lot
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of marriages fail. She's put the number at like 50%, but it's been falling steadily. It's now around
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40%. And for certain cohorts, it's much lower than that. But she points out that in divorce, men get
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killed by the courts and by divorce laws. Here's cut seven. Many of these guys get so stressed out,
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they lose their jobs because, or they have astronomical court fees, child support, all that
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you know, and a lot of guys will spend, you know, the average guy makes what 50 K a year guys will
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spend a hundred, 150 K in court fees just to not get their kids. And the thing is you can take money
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from a guy, but there is something about a man who is so desperate to see his child. Like it is the
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saddest thing you have ever seen where his child will be a mile from him and he hasn't seen him
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in two years. So our point is that if 40% of marriages fail, and then it's this misery because
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the courts destroy you, why would you even take that chance? Now I myself have pointed out something
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else long before there was a Pearl Davis. You know, there's old t-shirts that they have that says
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a game over, you know, and they'll have a cartoon and they'll show a happy bride and a frowning groom.
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And the point is that marriage is for women, not men. And when men are caught there, you know, there's,
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these are a lot of old 40 songs are about this. Love is the tender trap and you're making whoopee,
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you know, you want to make whoopee, but you wind up washing dishes and baby clothes.
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And there's no reason not to take that complaint seriously. It wouldn't be a meme if it weren't
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an actual serious thing that our form of marriage was invented by the Catholic church to protect
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women. Feminists who say, oh, it was slavery. No, it was to protect women. And a man sacrifices
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his deep urge for freedom and sexual variety and sexual adventure and other kinds of adventure.
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So a woman can indulge her deep urge to have children in a protected and supported environment
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with him supporting her and making sure she is all right. In return for that sacrifice in the old
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days, each man received a little kingdom. I received a little kingdom when I got married. I got family.
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I was the head of that family. I got respect. I got support for my professional work. And, and I was
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surrounded by a home, which I would never have had. I would always been a drifter if I hadn't fallen
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in love with the right woman. Pearl is right about this. That feminism has destroyed marriage
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in the sense that men are expected to sacrifice a freedom that is deeply important to them, not
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just sexual freedom, but it's the freedom to not know what they're going to be doing next and who
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they're going to be and not to be responsible to anybody. And they get absolutely nothing in return.
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And here is the whole thing about, about talking about marriage.
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If we're not going to be honest about it, then, and it's worthwhile, we can't save it. Because one
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of the other things I didn't think when I left my wife is, ooh, marrying this woman would be good
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for society. So I'm going to do that. I didn't think that at all. I didn't even think it would be
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good for me. I thought it was something I wanted to do. But because no one can say the words that
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conservatives are right, but no one can say the words that male-female marriage is the pinnacle
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of human relationship. That is basically what we've got going for us, the center of our society.
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We have to live in lies. And what happens when you live in lies is there are these invisible brick
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walls and you keep bumping into them because nobody can say there's a brick wall. It's the emperor's
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brick wall, right? If nobody says, you know, don't go that way because you're going to fall off the
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cliff. You go that way and then people fall off the cliff. And what happens? Everybody gets angry.
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And if that's not a description of the society we're in today where, you know, people like Pearl
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Davis, and again, she's a provocateur. She says stupid stuff. She said anti-Semitic stuff. I think
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she hung around with Nick Fuentes for a while. She got some of that poison in her. You know, so she just
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says things that I think get her clicks and all this. But when you clear all that away, she is making a
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point that the institution of marriage as it is conceived by the general society, as it's conceived
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by the media, as it's conceived by the government, as it's conceived by all the people who are doing
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all the talking is not something that is necessarily appealing, especially for men. And so the men are
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sitting around going, why should I do this? And when you tell them, oh, it's because it's Jesus'
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relationship with the church or it's good for society, you're telling them absolutely nothing.
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So I want to talk about a couple things. So first of all, he calls me a provocateur because I say women
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are dumb. No, I mean that. I really do. By and large, guys, if you had to pick 10 women to solve a
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problem or 10 men to solve a problem, the problem with us women, as we just start like crying about the
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problem, we don't go to solve it. The men actually try to solve the problem. So yeah, no, I'm serious.
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I'm dead. Call that provocative. But I really think this is just basic truths. Okay. Do I think
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every woman is stupid? Of course not. But by and large, when you look at the decisions we make,
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they're by and large stupid. So, I mean, you might not like how that makes you feel, you know, but I
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think by and large, if all the women went home tomorrow, the workforce would be more productive.
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You know, they could fire all the HR departments, all the paperwork would go away. I really, yeah. And