JustPearlyThings - July 02, 2023


Feminist Life Guard Gets RECKT!!!


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7 minutes

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1,653

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119

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29

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In this episode, we talk about sexism in the workplace and why women are paid less than men. We also talk about the difference in pay between men and women in male-dominated industries like lifeguards, vets, teachers and the like.

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00:00:00.000 You don't think they would pay more if they're willing to die to do a job?
00:00:02.860 Yeah, but there's also jobs out there, 100%, that are the same job,
00:00:08.300 and yet a man will be paid more and a woman will be paid less. 1.00
00:00:11.920 Name one, name one, name one.
00:00:14.640 Well, I worked in one, if you want to know.
00:00:18.900 What was the job?
00:00:19.800 Well, I was a lifeguard.
00:00:21.300 Okay.
00:00:22.120 So when you were applying for the job,
00:00:25.660 did you apply for the job on a job board, like Indeed or something like that?
00:00:29.000 No, I had worked as a lifeguard for three years,
00:00:32.240 and then I switched to working place.
00:00:34.740 And then I learned that the person that had less experience than me,
00:00:38.060 he was the man, he earned about three quid more.
00:00:42.760 And did you ask?
00:00:44.660 When you say lifeguard, that's a very nice example,
00:00:48.740 because I would think that,
00:00:50.660 the point I'm trying to make anyways is when you apply for any job role,
00:00:55.680 is there, do you see,
00:00:58.300 like if you say you want to become a lifeguard, for instance,
00:01:00.080 and you see it on Indeed,
00:01:01.000 do you see lifeguard role,
00:01:03.560 women's salary, £10 an hour, 0.93
00:01:05.560 men's salary, £15 an hour,
00:01:07.280 or do you see lifeguard role, £10 an hour,
00:01:09.880 and whoever gets hired gets that salary?
00:01:12.280 It usually says from,
00:01:13.920 depending on experience or something like that.
00:01:15.920 Well, okay, then that would come to negotiation power.
00:01:19.320 That has nothing to do with sexism.
00:01:20.340 Well, and my other question is,
00:01:21.680 why don't we talk about women models get paid more than male models? 1.00
00:01:25.200 Where is everyone, where is the marches?
00:01:27.540 The inequality, right?
00:01:29.180 The demand causes the cost.
00:01:30.840 So the reason why that women, 1.00
00:01:32.140 and it works the other way around too,
00:01:33.840 so the reason why women don't tend to be in male-dominated industries as much, 1.00
00:01:37.780 it's just because it's unpleasant.
00:01:39.640 It's the same for the reason why men don't really want to be male.
00:01:41.280 Women don't want to do hard jobs. 1.00
00:01:43.440 No, okay, do you think a veterinarian is a hard job?
00:01:46.220 There are double the amount of female veterinarians than males. 1.00
00:01:49.180 I mean, you can find some niche, like,
00:01:51.260 veterinarians are niche.
00:01:52.300 You can find some niche fringe thing.
00:01:54.820 Okay, being a veterinarian is a hard job.
00:01:55.560 It's like, wait, but the number one employers of women, 1.00
00:01:58.700 it's teachers and nurses.
00:02:00.540 Yes, because that's how it's always been.
00:02:02.420 And so, you're right, correct.
00:02:05.080 Yes, because they didn't have options.
00:02:05.320 But my point is, the hardest jobs,
00:02:07.020 the ones that have the most workplace deaths,
00:02:10.140 men do them. 0.99
00:02:11.320 So it makes sense that they're paid more.
00:02:13.000 You're defining hard by simply,
00:02:14.680 are you more likely to die?
00:02:16.540 Which is a rather daft way to define hard.
00:02:18.880 You know, I base that on intellect.
00:02:21.560 I mean, you don't think a job is harder to do
00:02:26.620 if you might die doing it.
00:02:27.960 To be fair, you can die if you work in a hospital,
00:02:29.920 to be fair.
00:02:30.460 You might catch something.
00:02:31.120 I mean, you can, but it's not as likely
00:02:33.420 as some of the jobs that men do.
00:02:35.140 Veterinarians have to deal with animals.
00:02:36.740 They're pretty unpredictable.
00:02:38.160 All right, what percent?
00:02:38.860 Let's go into vets.
00:02:39.860 What percent of vets are women? 1.00
00:02:41.960 Double.
00:02:42.720 Okay, what percent?
00:02:43.480 60-odd, 60-odd.
00:02:44.340 Okay, so it's 60%.
00:02:46.500 So it's still close to 50.
00:02:48.860 No, it's over 60%.
00:02:51.800 I said double, so it's like a third.
00:02:54.040 It's like two-thirds to a third.
00:02:55.460 I just was expecting,
00:02:56.660 because in the industries I mentioned,
00:02:58.300 it's like 95% men.
00:03:00.480 It's not close to 50-50.
00:03:02.420 You don't think that two-thirds of veterinarians
00:03:04.820 being women is... 1.00
00:03:05.040 I don't think that's the same as 95%.
00:03:07.600 I think men have been working 1.00
00:03:08.640 for a lot longer than women. 0.94
00:03:10.080 You know what I mean?
00:03:10.380 So I think women are still trying 1.00
00:03:11.940 to come into their fields.
00:03:13.700 You know, there's some women 1.00
00:03:14.440 that are still reliant on men.
00:03:15.800 Some women are still reliant 1.00
00:03:16.800 on their parents even.
00:03:17.980 You know, there's women 1.00
00:03:18.620 that are in their 20s
00:03:19.560 and they're still reliant on their dads and stuff.
00:03:20.960 I think that's just an excuse.
00:03:22.040 If you're born today,
00:03:22.900 you have no barriers.
00:03:24.140 There are absolutely no barriers.
00:03:24.940 That's fine,
00:03:25.460 but in regards to like trying to move up
00:03:27.400 and trying to get further in your career,
00:03:29.260 not just get into a career entry level,
00:03:31.340 it can be difficult.
00:03:32.320 There are quotas.
00:03:33.080 They literally pay companies
00:03:34.520 to hire women.
00:03:35.540 But do you realize
00:03:36.060 the older generations
00:03:37.020 haven't died yet?
00:03:38.220 So you're going to need
00:03:38.800 to give it a couple generations
00:03:39.920 before we can actually judge anything.
00:03:41.440 I mean...
00:03:41.840 So there's going to be more older people
00:03:43.280 that do those jobs. 0.96
00:03:44.460 That's just such a cop-out.
00:03:46.800 The older generation
00:03:47.820 wants to make money.
00:03:49.040 If you're telling me,
00:03:49.760 you tell a 55-year-old dude
00:03:52.160 you get money to hire women, 1.00
00:03:54.180 you don't think
00:03:54.660 he's going to hire more women? 0.98
00:03:55.980 No, that's not what I mean.
00:03:57.220 I mean, until the older generation
00:03:59.080 have died
00:03:59.680 where there is still inequality,
00:04:00.960 because obviously
00:04:01.780 if you're going past 60 years old,
00:04:03.880 all those women 1.00
00:04:04.580 that are that old
00:04:05.720 still have the same mindset
00:04:07.160 that they had
00:04:07.700 because they didn't have those options.
00:04:08.640 From what era?
00:04:10.540 Like, how old are you talking?
00:04:11.620 Like my mom's era and above.
00:04:13.040 Because the Equal Pay Act 0.53
00:04:14.760 was in 1964, 1963.
00:04:18.080 I'm talking about opportunities
00:04:19.300 from going to university.
00:04:20.920 So 1963 was the equal...
00:04:23.020 It's been illegal.
00:04:24.020 It is illegal to pay women 1.00
00:04:25.440 less than men. 0.85
00:04:26.320 I've been taught...
00:04:26.800 This young lady's already 1.00
00:04:28.140 given an example
00:04:28.860 that she's been underpaid.
00:04:30.180 And this was after the 60s.
00:04:32.440 And a lifeguard job?
00:04:33.940 It's still a job
00:04:34.480 and it's still an example
00:04:35.540 that's valid.
00:04:36.320 Can I ask...
00:04:36.920 I have other examples.
00:04:38.140 Can I ask...
00:04:38.760 It's access to education
00:04:40.340 that's changed.
00:04:40.900 And I have examples
00:04:41.720 where I've paid more
00:04:43.980 than a guy.
00:04:45.220 Could I just ask what...
00:04:47.100 Did you say...
00:04:47.600 You're a doctor, right?
00:04:48.580 Yeah.
00:04:49.820 What is your stance on this?
00:04:52.440 And especially in the hospital,
00:04:55.160 like...
00:04:55.560 Because obviously
00:04:55.960 we're talking about nurses
00:04:57.000 and et cetera.
00:04:58.680 So I just wanted to know
00:04:59.520 what you...
00:05:00.700 It's difficult.
00:05:02.000 I mean, you know,
00:05:02.720 clearly the majority
00:05:03.380 of doctors at the moment
00:05:04.680 are male.
00:05:05.220 That's mainly because
00:05:05.760 of the older generations.
00:05:06.880 The majority of medical students
00:05:08.160 and young doctors
00:05:08.820 are female.
00:05:09.640 It's been sort of switched around.
00:05:11.060 And that's part of...
00:05:11.860 That's part of the reason
00:05:12.800 this is so complicated
00:05:13.800 is because we're often
00:05:14.840 measuring people
00:05:15.440 of different generations.
00:05:16.960 So I honestly don't know.
00:05:18.420 I think probably
00:05:19.500 from anecdotes,
00:05:21.420 from my own experience,
00:05:22.500 from my reading of the data,
00:05:23.280 there are ways
00:05:24.320 that women get screwed over 1.00
00:05:25.600 in the job market
00:05:26.480 that men don't.
00:05:28.080 There'll be some
00:05:28.580 the other way around.
00:05:29.460 I don't know
00:05:29.860 who is worse off overall.
00:05:31.920 It's almost a red herring
00:05:33.060 because the question was
00:05:33.940 does this mean that men
00:05:34.840 can't have an opinion
00:05:35.720 on abortion? 0.97
00:05:36.880 I just think...
00:05:37.660 What do you think of that?
00:05:39.800 Do you think...
00:05:41.020 So I think, you know,
00:05:43.000 there's so many things
00:05:43.760 to say about this.
00:05:44.340 One was I used to be a fetus,
00:05:45.820 which I think is important.
00:05:47.380 One is I might have
00:05:48.520 my own kids one day.
00:05:49.780 You know, this fetus,
00:05:50.600 some of the fetuses
00:05:51.220 might be mine.
00:05:51.920 Hopefully not that many
00:05:52.940 because I only have one wife 0.64
00:05:54.280 who's next to me.
00:05:56.700 What I really think is,
00:05:57.920 you know,
00:05:58.100 when we think about justice
00:05:59.280 and when we think about
00:06:00.280 having a community
00:06:01.160 that works together
00:06:02.060 and a society that functions,
00:06:03.360 we have to have men and women 1.00
00:06:04.620 talking to each other,
00:06:06.260 giving their best to each other
00:06:07.860 and working in harmony, right?
00:06:10.140 So take an example.
00:06:12.020 Emma Watson's campaign,
00:06:13.240 He For She, 0.98
00:06:14.140 that was basically saying
00:06:15.300 for women's equality,
00:06:16.720 we cannot just do this
00:06:17.980 with women alone.
00:06:19.240 Men have to use 1.00
00:06:19.960 whatever platform
00:06:20.700 they might have.
00:06:21.820 We can debate
00:06:22.320 whether they have it.
00:06:22.940 whatever privilege
00:06:23.620 they might have,
00:06:24.940 men have to use it 0.98
00:06:25.960 to fight for equality.
00:06:28.080 Now, the way I think
00:06:29.400 that links to abortion
00:06:30.280 is firstly that I think
00:06:31.520 the pro-life view
00:06:32.620 is about equality
00:06:33.500 for the child as well,
00:06:34.900 saying the child
00:06:35.460 has an equal right to life.
00:06:36.620 So everyone has a duty
00:06:37.780 to fight for that.
00:06:39.020 But at the same time,
00:06:40.040 what really gets me
00:06:41.020 about this is,
00:06:42.440 think about before abortion
00:06:43.600 was legalized.
00:06:44.560 If a man gets a woman pregnant, 1.00
00:06:47.060 the likelihood is
00:06:48.200 they get married suddenly.
00:06:49.940 Some of those marriages
00:06:51.240 don't work out,
00:06:52.020 I admit,
00:06:52.460 but many of them do.
00:06:53.580 The man provides
00:06:54.280 for the child,
00:06:54.860 the man provides
00:06:55.460 for the woman,
00:06:56.400 and the man has
00:06:57.100 that sense of responsibility.
00:06:58.580 Now, what happens
00:06:59.200 when abortion is legal?
00:07:01.180 The man can suddenly
00:07:02.200 have sex with whoever 0.97
00:07:03.120 he wants,
00:07:03.740 and when she gets pregnant, 1.00
00:07:05.220 he says,
00:07:05.820 it's your body,
00:07:06.500 it's your choice,
00:07:07.820 and therefore,
00:07:08.400 it's your responsibility
00:07:09.240 and your burden.
00:07:11.220 And so what is meant
00:07:12.220 to be a burden
00:07:12.840 shared by the father
00:07:14.180 and the mother equally
00:07:15.560 has become something
00:07:16.880 that is just on the mother now
00:07:18.420 because the man says,
00:07:19.320 this is a woman's issue, 1.00
00:07:20.160 this is your body,
00:07:20.920 this is your choice.
00:07:22.020 So all of those women 0.95
00:07:23.160 who think,
00:07:23.780 okay, now I'm pregnant,
00:07:25.080 some of them will have
00:07:25.680 an abortion, okay. 0.99
00:07:26.820 Many of them don't want
00:07:27.640 to have an abortion,
00:07:28.500 even if it's not planned,
00:07:29.600 even if it's not wanted,
00:07:30.660 many of the women
00:07:31.160 don't want to have an abortion
00:07:32.060 because they disagree with it,
00:07:33.260 because they don't want
00:07:33.780 to go through the trauma of it,
00:07:34.980 whatever reason.
00:07:36.700 And now they're faced
00:07:37.660 with a man who says,
00:07:38.920 it's your body,
00:07:39.560 it's your choice,
00:07:40.200 this is your issue,
00:07:41.020 I'm having nothing to do with it.
00:07:42.620 That is why I think
00:07:43.700 portraying it as a woman's
00:07:45.760 only issue is harmful
00:07:46.860 to women themselves
00:07:48.060 because this was a job
00:07:49.320 that is for a man
00:07:50.600 and a woman to do together 0.67
00:07:52.140 in partnership.
00:07:53.440 And I really think