Hafeez’s on why He DISAGREES with the Red Pill
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Summary
In this episode of the Just Pearly Things YouTube channel, I have a special guest on the channel, Haebiz. He is a YouTube channel creator, entrepreneur, and founder of The Standard, an exclusive community of high performing men committed to helping one another unlock their full potential physically, spiritually, and financially through the concept of digital cities.
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what up guys welcome to the just pearly things youtube channel today i have a special guest on
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the channel welcome habiz what up this is gonna be fun i'm honestly like i said i definitely did
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land from a flight a couple hours ago but i'm very very excited and like i told you i don't
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like to talk before an episode okay i feel like you ruin the best content so i wasn't trying to
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be saying office to you i was just trying to say the good stuff when the cameras go on got it guys
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media so you guys should sign up for that like i did with you a couple years ago yes yes you did so
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it's really interesting because i meet a lot of people and i have a lot of sessions and but i'm
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really excited about your journey and learning about it because initially you asked me did i watch
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your channel i'm not gonna lie to you i don't i gotta give it 100 but i know of your channel right
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and then you made a reference that a couple years ago you signed up for a session with me we talked
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about some of the things going on with your youtube channel and your goals and your dreams so
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it's interesting i think it's like what two three years later yeah i think it's like two years ago
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yeah about 2020 yeah around that period of time so it's i think it's really interesting to see
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where you've grown how what you believe and then how does that flesh out into the world today
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yeah um yeah because at the time you guys were one of the only like reasonably priced like
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consultation so i was so i was like i gotta sign up for that
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back in those days so um to start could you tell them a little bit about your channel
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cool yeah so my name is afis i started a youtube channel with four four of my good friends called
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the roommates back in 2016 um and then eventually the roommates has grown and evolved in many different
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seasons of life but basically what we said the roommates was was it was a place where the everyday
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man can come to improve his life so we interviewed some of the best and brightest individuals such as
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jordan peterson gary v patrick bett davis stefan lebosier jose zuniga jonathan height you know and so
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on came on the show and the whole goal was to be able to have these great conversations for the purpose
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of building up men as that continued i would also do live streams and i stopped doing live streams and
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then eventually i would do occasional individual videos so we did that for about six seven years and now
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i'm transitioning to a lot more things i'm more excited about and um and yeah so that's the
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elevator pitch about me and what i do like what you're more excited about well i'm more excited
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about the um the standard the organization that we created and the standard is an exclusive community
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of high-performing men like i'm committed to helping one another unlock their full potential
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physically mostly spiritually and financially um and through the concept of digital cities so we're
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really excited about this this new thing that me and my business partner are building so my guy
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joseph hines and just how it's going to change the world because i think um level one is content but
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i think level two is actual in-person transformation and that's what we're excited about in this next
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season of life so uh my first question go ahead would you consider yourself red pill never in a
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million never why in a million years why um i think to me first and foremost i think i don't subscribe
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to any man-made ideology okay because i think a lot of these ideologies put you in a box um so i do
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subscribe to religion and people can argue whether that's man-made or not um that's gonna be a great
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conversation great debate you get a guy like sam harris and jordan pearson had a great debate about
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that um but in regards to man-made ideologies i don't really subscribe to them as much and i don't
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like to identify myself with something that somebody else has conjured up with their own personal
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opinion and so i think in regards to the red pill is a very interesting space a lot of interesting
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characters there and i think the the biggest challenge to me is the the phrase that they use
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is that we're we're all we're doing is trying to share the truth about fill in the blank right and to me
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it's very very arrogant as a human being to say i myself am the orator of the truth i know the truth
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my studies are the accurate studies my ideas are the accurate ideas i am the only individual who
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knows these things and so to me that ideology seems very cult-like in my opinion um if you believe in
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them they give you uh praise words like oh yo you're red pilled you're an alpha male right and if you
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disagree with them they give you the the curse words right you are blue pilled you are a beta male
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right are you talking about like the comment section i'm just talking about this the idea of the
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philosophy right so the people who ascribe to their worldview are red pill individuals right
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their minds have been opened up to the truth right the people who disagree with their ideas are
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considered blue pill right you have rejected the truth i.e the matrix right the guy in the matrix he
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said i want to go back in the machine even though i know it i want to go back in the machine so to me
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that seems very cult-like in regards to the ideology and so there's a lot of different reasons why i don't
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subscribe to it but those are the few things i just i just cannot hold myself to an ideology that
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a certain individual or individuals are communicating without understanding the fullness of those ideas
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yeah because they would say it's a praxeology not an ideology yeah it's very easy to use words like
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that but then then you break down what does that mean yeah so my question to you is like what
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specifically do you disagree with great question so when people say things like okay we're not an
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ideology we're a praxeology right you have to ask yourself are you teaching any ideas uh-huh like is
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there any principles that your belief system is teaching because every human being's belief system
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teaches and ideas right and so for me when i see that there are certain ideas and premises that are
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being taught therefore you cannot simply say we are we are not an ideology there is no ideals that
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represent the things that we believe and so an example of what are some of the things i disagree with
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i think i primarily disagree with a lot of times the descriptions of marriage okay and just how they
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analyze and describe marriage in today's world i think i just i disagree with the analysis of
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male female nature i think if you were to read a book like the evolution of desire by dr david buss
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he's a world leading expert on human evolutionary psychology in regards to mating and he's fantastic
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bus school psychology is amazing and you actually read a person who's like a world-renowned expert on
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this topic and you hear about all the nuance and i love dr busk's dr busk understands the nuance and
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the cross-cultural studies and you know so much data and you were to read some of the more red pill um
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you know doctrine doctrinal books you'll be like wow like it's you it's literally like reading dr seuss
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and reading something like hamlet it's like it's like night and day difference and so to me
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i think i i i acknowledge that a lot of their ideas are truthful like any ideology right or
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whatever the heck were they're using nowadays to convince people that's not an ideology yes those
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things are there's truthfulness in it but there's a whole lot of lies and a whole lot of information
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that is not statistically accurate and that's why i've always recommended people to read books like
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the evolution of desire by dr david buss and then simply then read whatever red pill literature that
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you want and juxtapose those two ideas and you'll be and you'll be extremely astonished to the
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differences well it's just because everything you're saying is very broad yeah so you even said
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like their teachings on marriage because like from my my understanding of red pill is that they're
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they're not anti-marriage or pro-marriage they're anti-marriage as it is today and the way the laws are
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today and do you do you disagree with that so i'm gonna give you an example okay and i'm excited
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because i'm really excited about the way you the way you're processing this yeah so let's go into
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mayor so here's a here's a fundamental challenge okay so red pill is very broad okay very broad right
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really i don't i don't think so actually you don't think so no so do you do you think a person like
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alpha male strategies teaches the same exact ideas as coach greg adams um i know more about alpha
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male strategies than coach greg adams i haven't watched a lot of coach greg okay ams he's like the fuck
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these hoes to sleep yeah but he's evolved that's old school ams i don't know i just if a guy tells
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me he watches ams i'm like ah i gotta run yeah but but but even to that point right so so you're
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like i gotta run yeah yeah so so there's there's a lot of there's then there's you know there's
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individuals like steph is cold i'm not sure if steph is cold still call himself red pill but you
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have the steph is cold guys right a lot different than coach red pill okay a lot different um okay so so
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what i'm what i'm what i'm articulating is that that within the red pill umbrella yeah there's a
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diversity of individuals yeah there's far right there's and there's guys who are a little bit more
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balanced so what usually happens when we're having this conversation which we require so much nuance
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and i'm glad we're able to dive into it is that when you're describing the red pill what people want
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to do is one of two things you either want to steel man them or you want to straw man them the
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argument that you're probably feeling like and some people may feel like is i straw man them right
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you pick the worst ideas of the red pill the worst content creators and then you define the red pill
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as that but then on the flip side is a steel man where you find some of their best brightest ideas
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ignore all the negativity nonsense ideas and define that as a red pill no i mean to me it's like there's
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a base set of ideas and people have different ideas of what to do with who defines a base set of
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ideas um i would say that i think that's mostly whose defensive base i would say rollo tomasi i think
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he seems to be like leading that like today but before it seems like it was patrice o'neill possibly
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so you think patrice o'neill was was was no i i think a lot of like um it seems like a lot of ideas
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derived from him but it seems like it it goes around rollo tomasi that's what it seems like so the
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interesting part of the conversation going back to the red pill conversation yeah because i know you
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want to talk about this is that there is no single source there's no doctrinal source there's a lot
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of individuals who've written their books and shared their ideas as red pill and depending on
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where what school of thought you're in a lot of individuals will say well that's not red pill for
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me he's not red pill for me maybe in your world he's red pill for you and some people red pill for
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them might be coach greg adams people red pill for them might be fresh and fit people red pill for
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them might be ams people red pill for them might be coach red pill people red pill for them
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but they all seem to say the same ideas well yes yeah it's like so i'm just like if we're if we're
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going to say they're different like what what is different okay so in regards to each individual
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i can't get into the nuances of each individual so there are some individuals who are when it
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comes to marriage are explicitly marriage i think the whole institution of marriage in the western
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world is done it's over it doesn't work it's a failed system x y i agree x y and z cool so so
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that's why that's why red pill aligns to you because those emotional sentiments rock with you
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so then it's not emotional it's because of the legal the way it is legally 100 so those legal
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sentiments yeah rock with you and we can get into okay how does those things fleshed out but then on
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the flip side which you have other individuals who say well in actuality well i i do believe that in
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the sanctity and beauty of marriage and if you're going to do marriage outside of the state i'm all
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for it right so yeah some people it's like even with or without the state institution is broken
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women are broken society is broken doesn't even matter and some people are like well well outside
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of the state yeah i support it i agree with it it seems like it seems like their prescriptions are
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are different but their description is the same yeah typically typically so like they'll say these are
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the flaws in women these are the flaws in in marriage but like they have different prescriptions so
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some people will still go through with it with a prenup and other people will say screw it all
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together and so so prescribing a behavior yeah it's telling people what to do and telling people
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what to do also creates a form of an ideology so if i say i have 10 rules that i believe men should
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follow and then say i have no ideology that doesn't make any sense so to me an ideology isn't a bad thing
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i have an ideology you have an ideology every human has an ideology so my biggest argument is not that
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the ideology is bad but don't lie and say that you don't have an ideology when we all have an ideology
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so in so in regards to your original question about the red pill i believe a lot of the a lot of what
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they say is half truths and like i said for example if you really analyze human and a male nature and
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female nature there's a lot of really dark and disturbing things about female nature when you when you can get to
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the rawness of it right yeah and if you were an individual and you're and you're simply communicating
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those raw dark truths about what is true it could be very simple simple to realize that wow man these
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are really really bad things you know i was just banned on tick tock and we are demonetized on a daily
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