JustPearlyThings - March 22, 2023


He Claims the Red Pill is Propaganda

Hosted by
Hannah Pearl Davis
Mentioned
Andrew Schultz
Monkey branching from a woman’s perspective Sa Ra Garvey DROPS Red Pill Truths on a 25 Year old

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9 minutes

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2,044

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214

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Misogyny

8

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Toxicity

2

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In this episode, I sit down with my good friend and fellow author, Dr. Andrew Yang, to talk about why the Red Pill is a scam and why we need to have a deeper conversation about it. We dive deep into the numbers and the inconsistencies in the statistics.

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00:00:00.000 like I want to keep on saying it, a lot of the red pill arguments are true. A lot of them are 0.57
00:00:05.640 true mixed with a whole lot of lies. And we have to be honest, there is an ideological bent and
00:00:11.360 there is a for-profit bent for the ideologies. But if we're simply going to stop there and not
00:00:16.960 do a deep dive analyzing the study, if we don't sit down and analyze every single statistic number
00:00:22.640 and juxtapose with the leading experts in the world who are also studying these things,
00:00:26.480 we don't have a full complete message to share to men and women for the benefit of society. Because
00:00:32.120 to me, if we're genuinely saying that the red pill message is the truth, if it is indeed the truth or
00:00:39.180 attempt to convey the truth, the truth should only make society better. It should only make men better.
00:00:45.840 It should only make women better. It should only create a better world for us. And so to me,
00:00:50.600 when I see an ideology, when I see a praxicology, whatever the heck they're calling it nowadays,
00:00:55.060 when I see a worldview and I'm looking at it and I'm analyzing it and I'm understanding it and I'm
00:01:00.360 seeing all people who are leaders in it and I've seen the inconsistencies in what they say and what
00:01:04.800 they do, I'm saying that there's a deeper conversation with the numbers and there's a
00:01:09.360 deeper conversation with this type of information that is not being discussed. I'm glad we're doing
00:01:13.800 right now. Um, to me, it's like, if it goes from 50% to 40%, who cares? That's, that's the way I
00:01:20.560 don't do that. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, because to me, people aren't
00:01:24.920 getting together. They looked at the, they get it like getting married rate is lower than it's ever
00:01:29.380 been. So, so it's like, like to me, it's just like men are getting a bad deal today and, and they're,
00:01:35.280 and they're signing a contract where women are paid to leave and take the kids. And, and to me, 0.72
00:01:39.400 that's just, and especially in the UK, like I live in London, like, like girls, like their child 0.99
00:01:44.840 supports literally depended on how much you have the kids. So you're literally paid to take the kids
00:01:48.520 away. Okay. So like, to me, it's just like a bad deal. And even, even if you sign a contract and
00:01:54.520 it's a 40% versus 50%, that's still not great. You first and foremost, let's not be, let's not be
00:02:00.360 deceptive. Right. Okay. You cannot, if you understand statistics, you cannot say a 10% decrease
00:02:08.720 in the likelihood of something happening, isn't a big deal. If there was a drug or if there was
00:02:14.340 a disease and we said, you know what? The disease has a 50%. Let me finish. Let me finish. You told
00:02:19.560 me not to cut you off. I'm not going to cut you off. Okay. Cause I understand what you're trying
00:02:22.560 to do right now. I was under the impression of this would be a certain kind of conversation,
00:02:26.580 but I'm getting what you're doing right now. So if you want to make the conversation the way you
00:02:29.660 want to make this conversation is no problem. So like I was saying, the way I want to make the
00:02:33.920 conversation, like I was saying, like I was saying, if there was a disease and a disease
00:02:38.780 had a 50% fatality rate and all of a sudden 10 years later, even if the, the people, the amount
00:02:47.060 of people with the disease went down by 2%, 3%, 4%, whatever number you want to give. But then all
00:02:52.920 of a sudden that disease has a 40% fatality rate. The fatality rate went down 10%. Well, we ask ourselves,
00:02:59.940 yo, how did that happen? No one says, oh, 50%, 40%, no big deal. So everything's the same
00:03:04.760 thing. No, you're going to be like, wow, it's still high than we would like it to be, but it's
00:03:11.300 a lot better than the way it was before. So what can we learn from that? What can we improve
00:03:16.820 on that? How can we make that better? And so to me, going back to the ideology, my biggest
00:03:22.640 thing is I'm all about how can we make the world a better place? And simply saying, simply
00:03:29.280 saying that 50%, 40%, that there's no big difference. It's deceitful. It is not communicating
00:03:37.600 what's really going on. And so I think it's really cool. And it's, I kind of now, a lot
00:03:42.880 of things are making more sense, but if we're going to have a real conversation about men
00:03:47.440 and women in today's society and marriage in today's society, we have to get into specific
00:03:53.080 details, every single point of the conversation and understand the nuance to each issue. So if
00:03:58.560 you want to get into men getting a bad deal in marriage, we can talk about that specific
00:04:04.080 issue. But I think sometimes it's very easy to be able to stay in our echo chambers, in
00:04:09.300 our silos and share these ideas without having them fleshed out that somebody can give us
00:04:13.220 some pushback.
00:04:13.960 But I just think like you're missing the point. Like the point is that the laws don't favor
00:04:17.940 men today. Like the point is, is it 50% or 40%? That's not the point. The point is that
00:04:23.140 like right now it's a contract that women are paid to leave. And so if that's the way 1.00
00:04:27.520 the laws are set up, I understand why men are walking away. Like I understand why they 1.00
00:04:31.880 wouldn't push marriage.
00:04:32.980 Yeah. So here's the deal. So let's, let's play your game. I love to play your game.
00:04:37.820 I'm not trying to like, it's not, I'm sorry. Okay. I'm playing. I'm having fun.
00:04:41.980 Okay.
00:04:42.220 Go with it. You're a content creator. We're having fun. We're having fun. Come on. Are we
00:04:45.760 good?
00:04:46.160 Yeah. Yeah. We're good.
00:04:46.560 Okay. We're having fun. Game is just a word.
00:04:49.940 Guys, we're having fun. This is content. We have lights. We have people here. We're having
00:04:54.100 a good time.
00:04:54.900 Yeah.
00:04:54.920 Don't take anything personal.
00:04:56.400 Yeah.
00:04:56.720 Some of the peppers might be too spicy.
00:04:58.460 We're just having fun.
00:04:59.860 No, I know. I know. Go ahead. Go ahead.
00:05:01.280 Cool. So let's play your game.
00:05:03.900 Okay.
00:05:04.380 Let's say the system is all the way effed up.
00:05:07.240 Yeah. 0.98
00:05:07.360 Men are getting screwed left and right. What do we do now? 0.99
00:05:10.620 I think you change the laws. Like honestly, I actually, I'd like to run for an office someday.
00:05:15.580 I'd like to actually try to change the laws.
00:05:17.580 I love what you just said.
00:05:18.860 Yeah.
00:05:19.360 I love what you just said. My question to you, you're very smart. When we said we should change
00:05:24.060 the laws.
00:05:24.500 Yeah.
00:05:24.700 How many people are getting into law?
00:05:27.560 How many people are doing content to be able to change the laws versus how many people are
00:05:33.620 doing content simply complaining about the laws? In your personal opinion, all feelings,
00:05:37.420 no facts. Shout out to Andrew Schultz.
00:05:39.380 What percent of people are actually trying to change the laws?
00:05:42.220 Versus people complaining about the laws. All feelings, no facts. No, there's no analytics.
00:05:46.420 I know. I know. I don't know. I've met a lot of men's rights activists. They actually
00:05:52.440 have a really, have you ever talked to that community at all?
00:05:55.160 Yeah, of course. I've seen the Red Bull documentary.
00:05:56.740 No, not even that. Like they have whole groups. I don't know. Like that's, that's my,
00:06:02.300 you couldn't take me. You're a smart woman. You have no educated guests in the world. 1.00
00:06:06.500 Um, I don't think you're going to like my answer.
00:06:08.600 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I feel like, I feel like there really
00:06:13.160 aren't that many content creators in the Red Pill space. Like I think it's a, it's a generally
00:06:16.960 small space on YouTube. So if I had to guess, there's probably more lawyers trying to change
00:06:20.360 the laws.
00:06:20.860 Okay.
00:06:21.180 So like lawyers that like defend men and that sort of thing. 0.57
00:06:25.160 I love it. I love it. There's more lawyers. My biggest thing is let's say the laws are
00:06:29.460 broken. I'm about solutions. Yeah. So what I'm saying is if you truly believe, if you're
00:06:34.280 like, man, the system is broken, then the system got broken because somebody broke it. So you're
00:06:39.120 saying that before the system was working, is that safe to say with the system working
00:06:43.040 before?
00:06:44.040 Um, before, yeah, but I'd say before no fault divorce, it was more fair. Okay. It was more
00:06:49.500 fair.
00:06:49.780 So, so the system, so what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,
00:06:52.500 I actually, I actually pinned, I think birth control.
00:06:54.560 So was it, was it working? Was the system working?
00:06:57.840 Yes. More, it was more fair before I would say.
00:07:00.060 Okay. So she said it was, it was working before, before it was more fair.
00:07:03.920 Was it working? If it's broken now, it must've been working before.
00:07:08.100 Yeah. It's, it would seem, it was broken.
00:07:09.920 It would seem like that. Yes. I'm asking you the right question. Was it broken? If you're
00:07:14.120 telling me right now, it's broken, that's your words. You said the system is broken right
00:07:18.980 now. So therefore, if the toy was broken today, does that mean the toy was, was not broken
00:07:24.360 yesterday?
00:07:25.100 Um, well, cause, cause what I'm thinking is there's like multiple points that I would pinpoint
00:07:29.780 that started to like cause the decline of relationships in the West. So it's like, you could say no fault
00:07:36.620 divorce, but like, then I would, I would also argue that birth control contributed. 0.98
00:07:39.920 I would argue like that the beginning of feminists, cause I don't believe in like first wave, 1.00
00:07:43.280 second wave, third wave. Like, I think there's multiple things, but I would say before it
00:07:47.200 was more fair. Does that make sense?
00:07:48.900 Okay. So let's, let's, we'll stay in your lane.
00:07:50.980 Yeah.
00:07:51.260 I love what you brought up because no fault divorce in 1970s changed everything.
00:07:55.000 Yeah.
00:07:55.240 I keep on forgetting the name of the birth control. Is it in void and void in 1950s?
00:07:59.020 I forgot the name of the first birth control in 1950s. It changed the whole entire game.
00:08:02.120 Right. But you primarily said the system today is broken to not benefit men. Yeah. Right. Yes.
00:08:10.040 And so if, so my argument is that if you had a community of guys who are investing all their
00:08:16.260 money, all their energy, we're getting into law. We're, we're supporting these people. We're putting
00:08:21.380 these people on our platform. If we're putting these champions who are going to go into Congress
00:08:26.460 and going to go into the local places.
00:08:28.720 That's a good idea. You should, you should do that.
00:08:30.720 No, let's stop. I love it. Let's stop right here. Yeah.
00:08:33.500 You said it was a good idea, right? Why aren't the, why, why aren't those people doing it?
00:08:37.400 Cause, cause you guys, you're the one who told me they believe the system is broken. That's
00:08:41.480 what you told me. So therefore if they believe it's broken, why are they not doing everything
00:08:45.900 in their power to fix the system?
00:08:47.080 Well, I think from their point of view, it's like, it's more powerful for men to walk away
00:08:51.000 because like women need an incentive for the laws to change. 1.00
00:08:54.000 Okay. So, so, so if men, if men walk away from relationships, I mean, I could talk, think
00:09:00.060 of like 10 girls off the top of my head that are mad because they won't get a ring. 1.00
00:09:03.580 Okay. So here's, here is the reality. Yeah. Do you really believe, do you like, I'm talking
00:09:10.280 about solutions here. Yeah. So you're saying the better solution is for men to walk away 0.99
00:09:16.300 from relationships. That's a better solution for society.
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