JustPearlyThings - October 16, 2023


@JonZherka Makes A Confession To Pearl

Topics
evangelicalism feminization
Hosted by
Hannah Pearl Davis
Mentioned
Zerka Mike Foster Pearl Pastor Mike Sarah Hill John Carl
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10 minutes

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1,872

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179

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Misogyny

28

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Toxicity

23

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Hate speech

19

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In this episode, we talk about how the church has feminized itself over the years, and how this has impacted the way we see women in the church. We also talk about the role of women in modern day Christianity, and why it s so hard to be a man in the modern church.

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00:00:00.000 If you're cheating at all, that's gay. 1.00
00:00:01.680 Hold on, hold on, hold on. 0.99
00:00:02.620 I got a question.
00:00:03.180 You know what's crazy?
00:00:04.300 Bro, I got a question.
00:00:05.120 Hold on.
00:00:06.780 Mike Foster has a book called, was it How to Be a Man?
00:00:12.800 It's just called It's Good to Be a Man. 0.70
00:00:14.300 Good to Be a Man.
00:00:15.460 And the title, the title got me in trouble.
00:00:17.920 Simply saying It's Good to Be a Man caused all sorts of chaos.
00:00:21.820 I can't even say that.
00:00:23.380 No, no. 0.99
00:00:23.740 I have a book coming out called It Sucks to Be a Woman. 0.97
00:00:30.000 Zerka, Zerka, Zerka. 1.00
00:00:34.680 I don't like women. 1.00
00:00:35.980 If you guys haven't caught the general thrust of money.
00:00:39.160 Mike. 1.00
00:00:39.820 Zerka, I want to sell t-shirts that say women are dumber than men. 1.00
00:00:44.120 Would you buy one? 1.00
00:00:45.140 I know. 1.00
00:00:45.740 You should make them women are dumber than dogs because at least the dog gets the frisbee and what they want. 1.00
00:00:52.620 But Mike, you and I have had this conversation before about the church, right? 0.99
00:00:57.940 And earlier before we were talking about like where the church, the modern day church or the modern day evangelical church has dropped the ball.
00:01:06.380 Can you elaborate on that from your perspective from being in the ministry for 20 plus years?
00:01:13.720 Sure.
00:01:14.280 It actually goes way back further than most people realize.
00:01:16.720 It starts with Bernard of Clairvaux and bridal mysticism.
00:01:19.960 So that's 12th century.
00:01:20.900 But you don't see female angels to the 1700s. 0.99
00:01:24.780 So the idea that women are angelic and don't really start to the 1700s in a romantic period.
00:01:30.500 And so what slowly happened, and there's crazy things like Sarah Hale would actually write that women were spiritually superior to men. 0.98
00:01:38.060 All that stuff slipped into the church over the last couple hundred years.
00:01:42.060 And so that's one reason why most churches, with the exception of Eastern Orthodoxy, are probably 60 to 70 percent female, sometimes even higher.
00:01:53.260 And so these guys—
00:01:54.120 And Jesus compares a woman to a dog as well.
00:01:57.800 Well, because she's a Gentile. 1.00
00:02:01.040 But anyhow—
00:02:03.900 Oh, I interpreted it differently, but okay.
00:02:06.540 I mean, that's the right interpretation.
00:02:08.300 Like, that's Catholic, Protestant, both.
00:02:09.820 So anyhow, sticking to the main point here is that the church definitely is—all churches, with the exception of EEO, and that's not my denomination, are primarily women.
00:02:22.720 They have a bunch of weak men in the pulpits because it's a way to look like you're a master, a way to look like you're an alpha.
00:02:29.120 And they're going to scare away any masculine men, and they're going to do anything because they threaded their position, and they're going to cater to the women in the church because that's the main populace, right? 0.95
00:02:40.820 And so if you listen to anything like Christian music, it sounds a very way, a very particular way.
00:02:46.680 That's because it's all the same people making it, and they have this imaginary woman, like a 40-year-old soccer mom, that they write lyrics to because that's who listens to the music and buys it.
00:02:57.940 So evangelicalism in particular is, like, exceedingly feminized.
00:03:02.980 But this is not in alignment with Scripture, certainly not with the broader Christian history.
00:03:08.800 But there's a reason why—I wrote a post that went viral years ago where I just said I warrant—I caution men from dating or even marrying—or from marrying or even dating single mothers. 0.95
00:03:22.400 And just ask the question, why are they single? Why do they have a kid?
00:03:25.940 I wasn't saying you can't do it in every case.
00:03:28.260 I was saying this is not the same thing as dating someone that hasn't had a kid that hasn't been with someone.
00:03:33.720 You need to think through it.
00:03:34.760 It went viral. It went nuts because there's no accountability for women. 1.00
00:03:38.640 If she's a single mother, it could only be because the guy was bad or she's a widow. 0.99
00:03:44.300 And those are two possibilities, but there's a lot of other possibilities, too.
00:03:47.900 It could be that she's a terrible person.
00:03:49.900 She sleeps around, whatever. 0.54
00:03:52.400 And the reason you cannot rate women or judge women or raise a standard to women in the evangelical church is it will upset everybody.
00:04:02.880 And that will make that pastor have to do actual work in conflict management.
00:04:07.180 And these are his constituents.
00:04:09.260 It's not unlike what you were saying a second ago, Pearl, about politicians catering to women.
00:04:14.200 That's kind of the issue.
00:04:15.580 And so taking these churches back is very difficult because a lot of times they're kind of beat down beta males who run the churches.
00:04:22.500 And there's this shadow government of female elders. 1.00
00:04:26.660 The wives of the elders actually run the church.
00:04:28.900 And these guys have never got the guts to tell a woman no.
00:04:32.420 They say no.
00:04:33.280 I'll take care of it.
00:04:34.340 You stay in your lane.
00:04:35.420 Got this.
00:04:36.440 And that's the problem.
00:04:37.240 But that's very specific to your church experience and everything.
00:04:42.080 No, it's not.
00:04:43.280 It's not so artistic like that.
00:04:45.280 Oh, no.
00:04:45.640 I'm an actual –
00:04:46.320 You don't think so?
00:04:47.260 So here's the thing.
00:04:48.000 I've spent 20 years of my life.
00:04:49.980 I've been researching this since 1999.
00:04:52.100 I went to college and studied anthropology and sociology.
00:04:54.940 Got an upper degree in theology.
00:04:56.540 I've written a book on it.
00:04:57.900 I've interviewed tons of people.
00:05:00.060 I've read all the sort of stuff.
00:05:01.440 I have bookshelves of it.
00:05:02.840 So I'm not perfect.
00:05:04.680 I don't know everything.
00:05:05.840 But it's not just a guy with his whims.
00:05:09.480 I put my time in here.
00:05:11.060 I feel like I can hold my own.
00:05:13.100 And I'll back you up because it's reflective in the women. 1.00
00:05:18.800 Like I've had six, seven –
00:05:20.820 But do you guys think it's a very Western?
00:05:22.080 Wait, wait, wait.
00:05:23.380 I know people say that, like, I recruit certain types of people on my show or whatever.
00:05:28.480 But it really is random.
00:05:30.340 And the women I get that claim to be religious, it's like the majority don't believe in submission. 0.54
00:05:35.860 So it's like if the majority of church women – 0.99
00:05:38.040 Wait, if the majority of church women are coming out and they don't believe in submission, it's like what does that say they're learning in the churches?
00:05:44.820 Well, I preach certain –
00:05:45.940 Well, yeah, like Pastor Mike, I was telling –
00:05:47.920 Mike, I was telling, like, when I posted on Twitter, I was like if a woman wants to be marriageable,
00:05:51.740 then a woman should, you know, not want to vote and be willing to defer her authority to her husband. 0.86
00:05:59.380 Anything other than that, then she's unmarriageable because then she's not following even the biblical standards 1.00
00:06:05.560 and to submit yourselves to everything to your husband.
00:06:08.400 So for the moment right now, I have two votes.
00:06:11.260 Emily will vote for whoever I tell her to vote for.
00:06:13.580 And I would say that's the attitude of the majority of women in our particular church. 0.77
00:06:17.140 And I think a lot of women are looking for strong men that are willing to be –
00:06:20.740 That's not a church.
00:06:21.800 Why are women able to vote? 1.00
00:06:23.520 Why do you bring the liberal fucking thing everywhere you go? 1.00
00:06:26.940 You guys are not Christians. 1.00
00:06:28.720 You're role-playing. 0.54
00:06:30.100 This stuff might play on the goofy things you go on, but I mean, whatever. 0.99
00:06:34.300 No, it's ridiculous. 0.88
00:06:35.180 If you want me to walk you through it, I can. 0.92
00:06:36.560 Hey, we're going to be Christians, but she can also vote, John.
00:06:41.240 She can also vote because we want to, like, appease the liberal think tanks that are – 1.00
00:06:45.060 No one cares about the liberals.
00:06:46.340 It's two votes.
00:06:47.500 Like, I have – it's my vote.
00:06:48.860 I tell her what to do.
00:06:49.660 Why should she be able to vote? 0.89
00:06:51.420 Why should she be able to vote? 0.89
00:06:52.200 Because that's the nature of our country.
00:06:53.780 It's passed right now.
00:06:54.560 Zerka, Zerka, Zerka.
00:06:56.440 You're making us look horrible.
00:06:58.120 You've got to be more –
00:06:59.340 Zerka, you're wife and kids. 0.99
00:07:02.400 You're wife and many kids because obviously you're alpha male that's married with kids. 1.00
00:07:05.760 Zerka.
00:07:06.360 Like, what do you tell her what to do?
00:07:08.060 Zerka, Zerka, we need to vote out these myths.
00:07:10.340 No, no, no, I think this is the problem, Carl.
00:07:12.200 This is the problem.
00:07:12.940 The problem is it's always – I read the Bible for 20 years, but my wife is allowed 1.00
00:07:18.960 to have a say in –
00:07:19.680 But you could say that women – 1.00
00:07:21.760 Zerka, that's not what he's saying, Zerka.
00:07:24.600 Wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:07:25.380 That's not what he's saying.
00:07:26.200 Zerka, that's – 0.79
00:07:27.200 No, because he said two votes for one.
00:07:29.660 He said she's going to vote like me.
00:07:32.120 Zerka, Zerka, Zerka, Zerka, can you wait just one second, please?
00:07:34.340 Thank you.
00:07:35.100 Zerka, he's saying that his wife votes for whoever he says.
00:07:39.760 Yeah, that's a problem.
00:07:41.400 He's saying two votes.
00:07:42.220 But, Zerka, Zerka –
00:07:43.220 No, he's basically saying that he gets two votes.
00:07:45.400 He didn't have anything.
00:07:46.820 No.
00:07:47.220 Hold on.
00:07:48.000 I have a question.
00:07:48.620 Zerka, Zerka, but we're in a modern society, so it's like if the single women are going 1.00
00:07:54.520 to stop voting –
00:07:55.160 Yeah, but if we're in a modern society, why are you pushing the Bible and all this ancient
00:08:01.460 stuff?
00:08:01.940 I'm saying if you want to be a Christian, you've got to be more extreme and sound like me. 1.00
00:08:06.060 You've got to take away women's right to vote, including – 1.00
00:08:09.380 Zerka, how would you take away women's rights to vote if you take out – 0.94
00:08:15.860 You wouldn't platform that message?
00:08:17.400 Why don't you platform that message at least?
00:08:20.860 What?
00:08:21.140 My man just said –
00:08:22.460 That doesn't even make sense.
00:08:24.360 Why are you quoting the Bible?
00:08:25.520 Because you want a bigger following.
00:08:29.500 That's why you don't want to say that.
00:08:30.320 No, man.
00:08:30.780 You're projecting.
00:08:31.880 No, I don't care.
00:08:32.960 Zerka, Zerka.
00:08:33.560 Zerka, Zerka.
00:08:34.720 I'm on here because Pearl's popular and she's reaching people, and if I can be part of
00:08:41.180 this conversation and point a good – like you keep saying 18 years old when you have
00:08:44.600 authority, that number isn't in the Bible. 1.00
00:08:46.700 It's 20 years old, you dimwit. 0.99
00:08:48.440 You don't even know what you're talking about. 1.00
00:08:49.560 You're just making crap up. 0.99
00:08:50.580 Well, at least – hold on, hold on. 0.99
00:08:52.280 Earlier you just said two votes for one.
00:08:55.360 You believe that, right?
00:08:55.940 So do you believe that 18 years –
00:08:58.160 I'm asking a yes or no.
00:08:59.860 You said 18 like five or six times like you knew it for a fact.
00:09:03.120 I didn't spend 20 years – I didn't spend 20 years studying the Bible like you.
00:09:07.300 So answer it.
00:09:08.660 Do you think women should be able to vote? 1.00
00:09:10.000 I don't believe in universal suffrage, period.
00:09:12.360 I don't think every man should be able to vote. 1.00
00:09:15.160 I think –
00:09:15.880 I know why –
00:09:16.880 I know why –
00:09:17.620 I know –
00:09:17.880 You know why –
00:09:18.720 You know, Pearl was talking about why you did that, where you went right back to attacking
00:09:22.860 the man?
00:09:23.860 Because you can't do it, Pearl.
00:09:25.040 No, I didn't.
00:09:26.320 Dude, like you're like twisted or something.
00:09:28.020 You don't –
00:09:28.320 You're afraid to sound like a –
00:09:29.660 You don't know a friend when you hear one.
00:09:31.400 You don't know a friend when you hear one.
00:09:32.900 You don't know a friend when you hear one.