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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the issue of condom use and the double standard when it comes to birth control. Is it a crime for a woman to tell her partner she is on birth control, or is it a moral failing when she doesn t wear a condom? We also discuss whether or not the condom should be removed after intercourse.
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can i can i ask can i ask what's your opinion on grape then like if it's not in the women's control
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what's what do you then think grape grape is a bit irritating people always bring this up and
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it because it's less than 0.5 percent of abortion but it does so you're right i'll tell you my
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opinion but i'm saying if you know it it's frustrating because it's like okay if we give
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you grape will you guys get rid of the 99.5 percent of abortions and and i know the answer
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to that is no so i just think people do that as a way to discredit the right but um no great i would
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have no exceptions no could i just quickly ask what what what your guys views on um say a girl
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says that she's on contraception but then um and then the guy doesn't use a condom oh wait actually
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no sorry did use a condom and the girl holes huh poke holes in it is that what you're getting that
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turkey based on what wait so it's always in the condom is that what you're getting to yes okay
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are you gonna so what what is so for the dad who is now a dad and he didn't want to be a dad and he
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asked and made sure are you on contraception yes okay and they still put on a condom on and she's
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poked holes or turkey basted um you know that kind of thing what and and and as people say trapped
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the the dad and then he is not a great dad wait but then she trapped him i'm actually you know what i
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was thinking about i was thinking about how they make laws where if a guy removes the condom without
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a woman's consent that's considered great yet a woman lying to a man about birth control is not
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considered great yes this is why this is so that's what i was that's serious that is an actual thing
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if you interfere with a condom it is a crime but it's difficult to prove but it is so you would agree
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that's a double standard right yeah yeah that that is that is a double standard 100 because
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if you're lying to someone yeah not today but they're both crimes no no but i'm asking would
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you say it's a double stand it's not a crime for a woman to do that the birth control is not a crime
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lying about birth control well yeah that that's not an unethical but you shouldn't just blindly
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believe i mean you were the one criticizing uh do you do you think do you think that's a double standard
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that's my question please no i think it's stupidity on the men's part okay so this is the
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men's fault okay even if they're dating them like this is a lot of times this happens to men that
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have been well it's unethical it's unethical it's deceptive it's manipulative but you probably
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shouldn't be dating someone like that right well then couldn't we say that to the women like you
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shouldn't be dating someone that people shouldn't date bad people yes or generally speaking if you're
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saying it's it's a crime if the guy if they got both crimes okay but you know i said one was a crime
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one is that but you said you kind of defended the other one you kind of gave the woman out again
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but my point is if the guy's own is bad for taking of the condom you said it can be proved if the
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woman interferes with the condom so how does the woman prove that the guy took off the condom after
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the fact i think you um well it is it's incredibly hard to prove but if there is semen inside the
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woman then she can go get checked at the hospital that's not hard to prove there's a condom and now
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there's not a condom no but no no it's hard to convict for sexual assault in general so you can't
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prove it because when you're going to prove it you're not going to be in how did the condom get off
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you're not listening if she's going to have to go and prove it
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then she has to bring evidence so how does that's mad though so if you imagine not having sex with
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somebody and they've got you in say a particular position where you can't see them for example they're
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not face to face now um you have now stopped having sex you guys have intercourse so i don't
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even know if i can really say that can i say that yeah yeah so you guys are having you guys
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have finished doing what you're doing and obviously he's released you've released climaxed or whatever
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you realize he's not wearing a condom now there's only two things there's only two ways that can go
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it's either the condom has slipped off inside of you or the condom has come off and how's the condom
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gonna magically come out with that i know but i'm saying like if they've taken the condom off then
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that's the proof right there because the condom's over there on the floor listen she said that the
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guy won't be able to prove that the woman interfered with the condom okay agreed i said it would be hard
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you kind of can though guys guys let him finish let him finish okay it would be hard to prove that
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the woman interfered with the condom i think it's equally as hard to prove that the man took off the
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condom because how do you how do you prove to the lord that okay this man took off the condom
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because semen is not proof because there are people that have gotten pregnant even when the
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condom was still on yeah so when a guy takes off a condom and it's got semen inside of it if there was
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a hole in the condom wouldn't you notice that it's like the semen's coming out of the condom when
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you see a hole like it's seeping through or something wouldn't you notice that so when you're
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putting a condom on maybe maybe i can't speak okay i think that would just off the back of what you've
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said i think i've just clocked that that would prove it so so for example if she kept the condom
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as evidence and there was holes in the condom in all honesty then maybe it was no there's no good
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can i finish there's no no there's no good way to prove it no there's no there's no there's no
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you can't prove it this is this is like this is how in my opinion a lot of false accusations
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come because there's no really good way to prove this stuff you can't because well yeah but it's
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still going to be he said she said no no it's not you consent no because if she's kept the condom
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if she kept the condom and there's no holes in it let me let me how would they know it was consensual or
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not oh let me know i let you talk a lot all right but i haven't landed though if the condom has got
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no holes or no splits or nothing in it and she's pregnant it would surely show that the condom had
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to have been physically removed if there was holes or or gaps in a condom then maybe it was accidental
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but you still wouldn't know if she consented to it being removed or not no you wouldn't so exactly
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no you wouldn't i'm only going off physical evidence that's my point so it goes back of he said
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she said it's only two people in the room unless there's cameras correct correct correct um so
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i'm kind of going to go into what you were saying earlier do you guys think that men should have an
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opinion on abortion because we constantly hear my body my choice men shouldn't have an opinion on this
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but today we have a doctor here who probably knows more about abortion than most people had imagined
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doctor um i think so should should men have an opinion on abortion i i think i think yes i think
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yeah yeah for sure yeah 100 what do you guys think it's half it's it's it's a piece of you it's a piece
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of me like you know i mean what do you guys think on the couch um i actually think no no i actually think
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that it's the woman's choice yeah okay she said can you have an opinion but it's the same thing like
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what i said about women having the um the final say if a guy still has a part say in having sex and
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a guy should still have part saying if they have an abortion or not a guy has a part say whether you
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remove a condom or not whether women feel like a guy should have a say or not a guy has a say because
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it's your it's your organs we're all talking about um do you think do you think a guy should be able to
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veto an abortion so so let's say let's say you got pregnant and you want an abortion the father of
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the kid could he have a say in it yeah like if the father so if he said no and you wanted it would
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you go with like do you think he should be able to legally say you can't have an abortion no but it's
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that's that's where that's where some people that's where you were talking about accountability and
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responsibility kind of comes from because if you're gonna have unprotected sex with somebody
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it kind of some people obviously if you're not in a relationship you're not in a relationship but
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you need to kind of still choose who you're having sex with wisely because you need to be able to know
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the person you're having sex with you can still have that kind of conversation and come to an
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understanding and stuff like that you have to at the end of the day there's only yay or nay you have
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to come to an agreement so okay but so you would you personally would take his opinion into account
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yeah because his opinion legally you still think he should have no say no i'm not saying legally he
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shouldn't have no say no so i'm saying i'm asking like what what would it look like so if he he gets
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to say what say does he get it's i it's all to do with pros and cons really are we ready to have a
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baby are you financially ready to have a baby am i financially ready to have a baby it's no so i'm
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saying two people yeah the woman says i want an abortion he says that's my kid i don't want you to
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have one should he legally have any rights in this situation i'm asking you um see there i don't know
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there you would have actually i think legally i i i couldn't answer that